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/pcbg/ - PC Building General
>Create a parts list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>Learn how to build a PC
Search youtube for a guide for your socket

Want help?
>State the budget & CURRENCY for your build
>List your uses; eg Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose and graphics card pairing.
>Don't use Speccy. Use HWinfo, SIV, etc.
>For Win7 in Ryzen, refer to https://pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1

CPU
>R3 2200G - Bare minimum gaming(dGPU optional)
>R5 2400G/i5-8400 - Consider IF on sale
>R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>Wait for 9700k - Almost surely best for 1080p gaming
>R7 2700/X - Best high-end gaming/mixed usage on a non-HEDT platform
>Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT

RAM
>8GB - Enough for most gaming use
>16GB - Standard for heavy use
>32GB - If you have to ask, you don't need this
>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2933MHz+ is ideal

Graphics cards
>RTX 2000 cards are worse performance per $ than current GPUs. Just a marketing gimmick to rip off idiots
>Avoid cheap MODELS ie MSI Armor (Mk2 is ok), Gigabyte G1/Wf, ASUS dual, and others which have small heatsinks and low quality fans
1080p
>RX 570/580 /w Freesync or 1060 6GB are standard 1080p 60fps+ options
>1050 3Gb or RX560 for lower settings, or older games
>GTX 1070Ti/Vega 56 if seeking higher FPS /w a high hz monitor
1440p
>Vega 56; 1070Ti/1080 if you already have Gsync
>GTX 1080Ti if seeking higher FPS /w a high hz monitor
4K
>Upscale from 1620-1800p. Maybe 2080Ti, but awful value.
OpenCL work
>Vega 64

Storage
>Backup before using StoreMi
>Consider getting a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & large HDD
>2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB
>M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard

Display
>Consider 75hz minimum; 60hz are mostly old models.
>Always consider FreeSync with AMD cards
>___sync is important for slower response time monitors (IPS)
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING

More
https://rentry.co/pcbg-more
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1'st post for FUCK INTEL & JEWS
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Pre built = woke

building your own pc is for basedboys and poorfags
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Why 144hz costs more than 4k?
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>>67598610
because it's better. It's like asking why 1080ti costs more than 1060
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Is it worth it to upgrade from 980Ti to 1070Ti or should I go straight for the 1080Ti?

I OC all my cards and play at 4k60.
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>>67598647
>1070ti
>4k60fps
lol good luck with that
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>>67598657
My 980 ti runs
>MGSV high-ultra with increased FOV at 60-70FPS
>GTAV very high with increased FOV at 55-70FPS
>HITMAN 2016 high-ultra at 45-55FPS (memory bottleneck I think, any settings at 4K result in such FPS while I could get 60+ at 1440p with a 970)
>CSGO low at 150-350FPS

I'm mostly looking to play a couple years old AAA games not below 60fps, don't care if I have to play on high instead of ultra.
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How you guys elevate the computer from the ground?

I having hard time finding a stupid fucking table just right for my computer
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>>67598709
980Ti -> 1070 Ti is little to no improvement

waste of money go 1080 Ti (still a waste, but not as much) )or just enjoy what you have for a few more gens
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>>67598122
>that gif
status: rustled
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Just bought an MSI Armor 1080ti 11GB for $550. How fucked am I?
http://www.ascendtech.us/dell-nvidia-gf-gtx-1080ti-11gb-vc-8dv70_i_vcd8dv70n1080ti.aspx
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>>67598833
Then I'm just gonna get a used 1080Ti
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>>67598122
Why Hwinfo and no hwmonitor?
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is there a significant difference between the ddr4 ram sticks on newegg? I'm just trying to find a new 8 gb stick for a build.

also, is it easier to pirate w10 or should I just stick with pirating w7?
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what does the OP pasta mean by "PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
"?
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>>67599257
There is no need to get a 2080ti if you have a 60hz monitor
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Got a promotion, plan on building a new PC to celebrate.

How much should I sell my current one for? Has two issues.

>missing one of the rear slot covers
>plastic tab on GPU PCIE slot broke off but the GPU seats fine, never had an issue

I was thinking around $600.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vdvPvn
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What do you think of this?
>Ryzen 5 2600X
>2x8GB 3200MHZ Corsair Vengeance
>B450 Plus MSI
GPU later when Cyberpunk 2077 is out. Currently a R7 260X Sapphire 1188MHz base clock (not 1100MHz as others)
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>>67599360
$800
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>>67598835
Terrible cooling
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>>67599401
It's OEM from an Alienware. From what I know the original Armor is shit because it has a 1070 fan, but this looks like a real 1080 fan. I can buy an aftermarket fan cooler for $50 or go liquid since it's a custom PCB that's solid for liquid cooling apparently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNQtfNFCWa8
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>2080 confirmed as 1080ti reskin

Will AMD have a field day?
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>>67599257
If your monitor has a 60hz refresh rate you've essentially hard capped your pc to 60 fps so anything higher wont matter
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Any advice on motherboards?
Something for an ATX case that fits a 1080ti.
Budget technically unlimited but I'm a tight ass so good value is appreciated
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>>67598834
Turn all of that to white and it will look better than your shitbox
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Acer Predator XB271HUB (IPS) is good?

I can get one for a bit cheaper than the TN version, though lots of people on Amazon seem to complain about panel quality control.
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This is the closest I've been to hitting go;
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/6xmbyX

Can I make it any better without adding to the cost?
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Leaf here. Need help deciding between a RX 580 and a GTX 1060:

Sapphire Nitro+ RX 580 ($356.99 CAD)
Gigabyte Windforce GTX 1060 ($339.99 CAD)
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>>67598122
If I'm using this setup (https://au.pcpartpicker.com/guide/t832FT/great-amd-gaming-build) for a mix of gaming and high-demand digital art, what kind of monitor would you guys suggest that's in the same price range relatively?
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>>67600616
Is the 1060 6GB or 3GB?
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>>67601076
8GB and 6 GB respectively.
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>>67600616
i'd personally go with the sapphire just because it's not gigabyte
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>>67600553
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127945
>1070 ti for $599 when a 1080 is $469
Nani the fuck
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>>67600553
>>67601200
>kangaroo dollars
Nevermind
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>>67601165
What's wrong with Gigabyte? Their motherboards seem to be pretty good, or at least better than my old ASRock.
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>>67601200
>>67601210
aside from that, any other issues with my build?
Is a 1070 worth it over the 1070? Are 'cheap' 1070 ti's to be avoided?
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>>67601295
their cooling solutions are not that good, sapphires nitro+ has a better heatsink+fans and is quieter. like i said, that's just my personal preference.
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Can rx 560 drive a 144hz monitor? i mean if i play everything on low? yes all new mainstream games right now mostly those online shooter shit
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>>67601538
Lol not even in 720p
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>>67598834
RGBs only toggle on when 2 or more people enter the room.
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>>67598578
based and redpilled
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Most ricer case I've ever seen wtf is this shit
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>>67601920
>slap some wheels and an engine to it
>gaming on the go
Brilliant!
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>>67601920

Its like a play park for spiders.
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Trying to tidy up my cables. How tolerant are PSU cables generally? More specifically how much/how long can they bend for without breaking?
Pic related. It is a Seasonic Focus if that helps.
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>>67601920
It's for zoomers like me, let people enjoy things
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Is Black Friday/Cyber Monday a good time to see some deals on PC hardware?
Average consumers are more interested in TV's and Smartphones or Consoles, but what's the chance of seeing some sweet GPU, CPU or Mobo deals during Black Friday?
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Is the H700 (non i) a good case? I like the white/black aesthetic and the cable management is incredible. Airflow is fairly good, top 25% according to Gamers Nexus.
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https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/wZR2jy
I think this is my definitive build, anything wrong or that I should consider before buying?
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>>67602445
That pic is true for just about all stores. Don't fall for it
But black Friday does come with some really good genuine PC component deals but only for a select few items. Like last year the 1600 and mobo had a combo for about $200 I think. They'll probably do the same with 2600 cause its very popular
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>>67602690
Since the chances of my wishlist CPU and Mobo combo being sold in a bundle at a heavy discount are highly unlikely, should I just get the mobo and then see how 2600 prices change in a few months time? I'd rather get an r5 3600 but I'm not keen on paying 200€ on launch day for it.
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>>67602661
>poozen with sub 3200 ram
I hope you're not gaming
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>>67602888
I'm gaming rn with a 7 year old laptop, how much does that effects negatively my performance?
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>>67601920
>Copying the Cougar Conquer
Chinks
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>>67602661
get 3200 ram and maybe m.2 ssd if you're into those
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>>67601920
needs racing stripes
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>>67602908
i've seen the m2 ssd at the same price, on the manufacturer website they don't say anything about it being better than the 2.5"
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>>67598122
PC parts have all finally arrived, what's the go to building guide to use for a beginner?
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>>67602888
I'm not >>67602661
but how good will Cl16 3200 perform when compared to a Cl14 3200 kit? I know the Cl14 kit can be overclocked to around 3400mhz but I'm not paying 80€ more for a 5% to 10% perf. increase in SOME titles.
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Figured this would be the best place to ask. I'm working on a more /diy/ project where I need to get video stream from 1 or 2 IP security cameras (attached to the computer by an ethernet cable and maybe a switch), juxtapose the 2 images together, then display the images on a screen. I'd like room to be able to superimpose text and other graphics on the images as well, like a HUD. The camera I have chosen is capable of outputting 12MP 4K video.

The project is intended to be wearable, so I need to choose an appropriate single board computer. In a simple stream recieving application like this, is it more important to have RAM or processing power? It's very important to minimize latency as much as possible. I know I will have to work with the frame buffer settings to start. I will be using OpenCV to read the camera stream if that helps.

Which of the computers here would be capable of handling my task?
https://www.board-db.org/compare/192,236,245,251/
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>>67602928
>put mobo in
>put parts on mobo
>put psu
>connect cables
>turn on
just don't do it on a bed or fabric and make sure you're not loaded with static
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>>67602926
it's not better but it makes your build 5% neater which is nice
>>67602928
/g/
>remove parts
>put them on your mobo
>turn it on
>if it works place mobo inside case
>???
>profit
watch a youtube video if you're scared but it's pretty easy, just don't forget to put the I/O shield in before the mobo and don't lose any screws
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>>67602879
Well the 3600 would be worth it for the launch day price honestly.
And mobo prices don't go up only down so rather get a mobo when your getting the 2600
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>>67602928
Use any guide that has your motherboard and cpu combo in it. Everything else is straightforward. Don't apply too much pressure and handle your components with care. You don't want to ruin your expensive components.
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>>67602956
>Well the 3600 would be worth it for the launch day price honestly.
How so?
We're expecting energy efficiency for the most part, since that's what smaller dies are for. Will it be wise to pay 30% more for a 10 to 20% increase?
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Will Gigabyte bring back pic related for Z390?
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>>67602951
>>67602952
>>67602959
i'm scared as shit though bros, but thanks.
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So i downloaded fortnite meme yesterday and find out my CPU utilization is at 100% while the GPU is around 80% if I let the framerate be uncapped. If I cap it to my screen refresh rate I got horrible tearing and if I turn on V-sync I got input lag. Is my CPU a bottleneck if I got more than twice the fps of my monitor but its at 100% utilization? Running an i5 7400 and gtx 1060.
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>>67602888
>>67602908
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/pXnYfH
alright fixed those
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>>67601455
Would it change matters if I were to use an aftermarket cooler? I have an Arctic Cooling Twin Turbo III lying around in my closet: I used it to replace the wholly inadequate XFX cooling on my old HD 7870.
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>>67602952
It's 5% neater, but it'll also occupy the one m.2 slot you have. If the ssd you're getting won't be limited by sata and there's slightest chance that you'll want to get samething that will be limited by sata, do not get m.2. Also m.2 is more prone to overheating,
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>>67602985
It'll probably be around the same launch price as the 2600 that's why I say it'll be worth it. You'll also get a perf increase for sure since they're still tweaking zen
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I inherited an office pc with g3930 and a 1060. what's the best CPU upgrade if i don't have a lot of money?
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>>67603134
what else would you put in the m.2 slot?
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>>67603312
intel optane?
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dvi or hdmi for gaming?
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Postan an important question regarding Ryzen:
How good will Cl16 3200 perform when compared to a Cl14 3200 kit? I know the Cl14 kit can be overclocked to around 3400mhz but I'm not paying 80€ more for a 5% to 10% perf. increase in SOME titles. I'd rather spednd that money on a better CPU cooler for overclocking
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Imagine being such a salty ayymdrone you have to make another thread to shill your products when there is another already up
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>>67603131
if you're gonna swap coolers on the gigabyte then it doesn't matter which one you pick between the two since are very similar performance wise. look at benchmarks to see how they perform in games you like to play and pick based on that.
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7700k @ 4.80Ghz, NH-D15s
>room temp ~27c
>idles at ~40c
>maxes out at ~80c during stress test
did the thermal paste get fucked or is this shit ok?
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>>67603922
stress tests aren't good indicators of every day use so i'd say that looks fine. my i5 2500 idles at ~32°C with an NH-D14.
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CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£314.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC - Freezer 13 CO 4.0 CFM Ball Bearing CPU Cooler (£29.19 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME Z270-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£116.62 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£308.85 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 1.1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£198.00 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (£54.84 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB STRIX GAMING Video Card (£779.57)
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 275R (White w/Tempered Glass) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£96.97 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (£60.00 @ Amazon UK)
Wireless Network Adapter: Asus - PCE-AC68 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter (£59.09 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £2018.12

Where am I getting memed?
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>>67604066
>Where am I getting memed?
CPU
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I give up i searched google and got nothing. How the fuck are you supposed to install hdd in fractal design focus g. It just doesnt fit in any way i tried.
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Any news on the 2060 cards yet?
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>>67603576
>dvi or hdmi for gaming?
Console!
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>>67604066
>CPU
>paying for windows
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>>67604318
no. they won't be out until next year
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Anybody got any TV suggestions? What's hot on the market? What're the gimmicks nowadays? What to stay away from? Not for PC use obviously
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>>67604120
>>67604449
What's wrong with the cpu?
Work will pay for Windows
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>>67604461
Fug. I don't want to waste my shekels on a (fairly) outdated 1060 card. I guess I'll just make do with my ancient 750ti.
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>>67604490
used 1070 is your friend
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>>67604484
that cpu is the most retarded buy
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>>67604534
What's better?
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Ram Price drops when?
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>>67604520
Sadly my psu wouldn't be able to handle that.
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>>67604594
8700k. You're basically paying the same price, but you get 2 more cores and 4 more threads. Why are you getting a 7th gen processor when 8th gen is out?
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>>67604594
8700K
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>>67604251
Really no one? Is it so obvious that no one ever asked that?
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>>67604643
>>67604645
Thanks, the answer is... I'm an idiot
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>>67598647

Either buy a 1080 ti or don't bother upgrading , the 1080 ti is only around a 42% increase over the 980 ti.

the 1070 ti is a 1080 that uses diffrent memory , the 10 series is really bad at overclocking , they are pretty power limited and what you really want to do is make sure the card gets enough cooling so that it boosts to its fullest.
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>>67604594
also why the fuck are you getting 32gb slow ram instead off 16gb fast ram

>>67604649
not everyone knows the layout of that case. You likely have a slot somewhere. Check their website or videos
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>>67604668
There are slots but they dont fit hdd at all. And couldnt find any videos on how to install hdd in this shit.
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>>67604251
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>>67604668
I don't remember it being that slow, I swear it was 3200
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>>67604066

just so you know , the mx300 ssd is an older model , the latest ones are mx500 and cheaper on amazon.
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>>67602690
Fucking Amazon does that shit all the time. The WD 1TB HDD has had a 60$ "discount" for 5 months now.
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>>67604768
looks like the hdd goes in the same way it went in that pic mongloid
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>>67604768
Yeah my doesnt fit and there are no place for screws
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>>67604919

What size is your hdd?
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>>67604919

you push the left and right tabs innward , that lets you slide out the hdd tray , if its a standard hdd it will go in without screws , if its 2.5 hdd aka a laptop hdd or ssd , it needs to be screwed in by the holes that are on the bottom , not the sides.
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can someone do a sanity check on my PC plans:

-used business system off newegg (i7-4770, 16gb ram) $300
-used 980 ti $300
-SSD, PSU and case from my current PC $0

Can anyone think of a better way to get this level of performance for the least money? I could go slower or more expensive if it was a better deal
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>>67605024
You mean it just sits on that wobbly plastic shit without anything securing it? Sounds risky as fuck.
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Tangentially related.

What's the Corsair Dark Core mouse like? Worth it or should I just get a Logitech G Pro?
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hgLzpG
Updated this slightly from yesterday, for gaming/streaming.
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So my mobo doesnt detect my gpu and gpu fan doesnt start up, but all leds lit up. The gpu worked just an hour ago in old case what the fuck i couldve messed up?
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>>67598709
If your 980Ti OC runs what you play fine, then why upgrade now? Why not wait for 7nm GPUs?

>>67600248
mITX boards will fit a 1080Ti, so I don't understand the question.

>>67603576
why's she so happy? Is it because Brian got fired?

>>67604066
lmfao

>>67605057
Rival 600 or a Naos.
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>>67598122
Last thread didn't even reach bump limit yet you pajeet rushed to make a shitty poozen only thread
Yikes.
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>>67604865
>Fucking Amazon does that shit all the time. The WD 1TB HDD has had a 60$ "discount" for 5 months now.
I think you mean (((discount)))
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>>67598647
It wouldn't be worth upgrading from a 980 Ti to anything less than a 1080 Ti, too little performance difference for the money. Then again even a 1080 Ti is not fast enough to get 60FPS minimums at 4K in all games, some games it's not even fast enough to get 60FPS average. You definitely don't want anything slower than that if you plan on playing demanding games.

>>67604667
>1080 ti is only around a 42% increase over the 980 ti
This is entirely wrong, 1080 Ti is like 85% faster at 4K, not to mention that the 6GB VRAM on a 980 Ti can be a bit tight for some games, even without maxing them out entirely (or using heavy AA).
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So my friend hypothetically bought a 1080ti but since cpu prices are kind of fucky right now he might wait for next generation to drop. In the meantime, he is wondering, is it safe to put the 1080ti in like 8 year old computer with 1st generation i5 while he waits for new cpu's?
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>>67605144
>not to mention that the 6GB VRAM on a 980 Ti can be a bit tight for some games
Not that I disagree with the rest of your statement, but what games are seriously pulling near 6GB at any kind of reasonable framerate that the 980ti can actually handle?
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>>67603014
the teksyndicate guide was pretty good, idk if it's still up
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Has anyone built a AMD 2990wx system? What mobo did you use?
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>>67605217
I've seen TWWH2 at 4K go north of 7GB (total usage, including whatever Windows needs), though you may be right that a 980 Ti is too slow for that game at 4K and any decent settings anyway.
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>look up cases that still has at least three 5.25" bays
>most of them either have detailed, colorful bay panels where actually installing accessories would make it look wrong, or has a stupid left-hand hinge door that defeats the purpose of 5.25" bays
why?
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Is there anything important to consider when buying monitor mounts besides vesa hole distance and suggested monitor sizes?

They all seem basically identical with wildly different prices.
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>>67605417
some of them are built better than others, and therefore can actually hold their advertised weight safely
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>>67605268
I put into my x399 taichi board. It works fine at stock settings. I wouldn't recommend it if you plan on overclocking any though.
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How well do Cl16 3200mhz ram kits perform when compared to a Cl14 3200mhz kit? I know the Cl14 kit can be overclocked to around 3400mhz but I'm not paying 80€ more for a 5% performance increase, which may or not be significant depending on the title..
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>>67605475
I found ASRock BIOS to be kinda annoying, but hmm. I'm looking at Gigabyte after two MSI X399 Pro Carbon mobo's are both fuckd :(
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>>67605602
Pretty well but they take more effort to tune. I have cl16 3200 running at 3432mhz with my 2700X.
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>>67598833
Imagin being so poor you actually have to use the same card for more than one Gen
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>>67605682
Is it worth it?
So you're saying that there'a small chance of overclocking a cl16 16gb 3200mhz kit to 3400?
Is there a significant performance difference between 3200 and 3432mhz? Was the tinkering with memory subtimings worth it? Are they stable? Does your ram run hotter than it does at 3200mhz?
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>not using quartus to simulate your computer
wew lad
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>>67605841
Ryzen timing calculator makes it pretty easy to tweak all the timings.
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Is the HAF the only future proof case around?
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>>67605989
If I do plan on OC'ing a Hynix ram kit, will I damage the board if not done correctly? As far as I know, a system shouldn't boot if the memory isn't timed right, and after some failed attempt it should reset the bios to stabilise itself. Will I fuck up my board if I do anything incorrectly?
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>>67606067
You'd have to try really hard to permanently damage something. Most likely at worst you'd just have to clear the cmos.
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>>67598122
I HATE CABLE MANAGEMENT

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Holy shit I managed to make some stuff tidy but the rest looks like crap. There's so many cables bros. Not to mention I have to fit my 24 pin connector through the same slot my SSD card sata cables pop out from. Kill me
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>>67606205
>>67606205
little secret
no one can see the back of your pc
if you know what I mean
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Take the other thread to bump limit faggots. Fucking pajeets making 10 threads because they want to shill on OP.
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>>67606222
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>>67606267
it's on page 9, no need to at this point
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im looking for a small form factor pc that also has thunderbolt 3. something about the size of a NUC. any recommendations?
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>>67605057
I hate it and I like it
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>>67606731
Have it*

Phoneposting takes it's toll
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hey lads can i get sum help with a good cheap gaming build? my budget is around 900 dollars and i dont really care for the monitor, just a relatively good one
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>>67598122
>>RTX 2000 cards are worse performance per $ than current GPUs. Just a marketing gimmick to rip off idiots
HAHAHAHAHA KILL YOURSELF LYING PAJEET SHILL

>>67606226
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>>67605188
please respond
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Hey, what happens if i install Windows 10 from Microsoft official source?

Will i get fucked with updates or other shit?

Can't find a decent torrent to ISO it and i just ordered my PC parts
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>>67606768
>30-35% higher performance in some cherry picked games
>100% more expensive
>RTX 2000 cards are worse performance per $ than current GPUs.
Where is the lie?
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>>67606977
>Ignores 2080 on purpose
>Its ok if amd cherry pick ashes of poo
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>>67607009
>assumes someone crtisizing the 2000 series must be an AMD shill

i just bought a 1080 ti, the 2080 and 2080 ti look like horrible deals.

because they are. get over it
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>>67607009
I'm Intel/Nvidia only but the 2080 is only 5% faster than 1080ti, but much more than 5% more expensive. I'm sure they will be a decent buy at some point, just not now

Also we might be overestimating performance gains still, since GTX and RTX will be own parallell products
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Tips on buying used graphics cards?
Don't want to get shafted buying a burnt gpu from a former bitcoin bandwagoner.
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>>67605102
>If your 980Ti OC runs what you play fine, then why upgrade now? Why not wait for 7nm GPUs?
Honestly, I want to max out GTA V with mods.

Fun fact: GTA San Andreas, modded as much as possible, still runs at 35-50fps at 1440p, on a 980ti.
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Budget: $4000 but id like to keep it around $2000 USD.

Purposes: Gaming and streaming along with making maps and such for games. Eventually it will be used for research purposes. But main focus will be gaming

Monitor wise: 2 monitors 24 inches or so in size that I will use side by side.

I dont know any thing about monitors or computers so be gentle
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I've been trying to find a cheap (<$200 CAD preferably) upgrade to my 750ti recently, and it's giving my an aneurysm. People in leafistan are fucking retards when it comes to selling used shit, they always price it as if it was new (often even higher than new), and newegg/amazon haven't dropped prices in cancuckbux in ages for GPUs. I just want a used 970, 1060 or 580, but they're fucking impossible to find; either shady chinkshit scams on ebay, or super overpriced used pieces of shit.
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>>67607057
Ask to bring a system and test. If they say no, fuck them.
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>>67607057
It's a gamble no matter what. If you must then only buy from trusted eBay sellers or refurbishers that offer warranty.
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>>67607060
San Andreas only runs on a single thread. Even if you have a GTX 1080ti you won't be getting much better frames if the application is only using 1 core.
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>>67607066
I came up with two builds, one Intel and one AMD. Intel beats out AMD at gaming by a bit, and AMD beats it at essentially everything else by a bit. Both builds are a bit over 2K, and can be made better or cut even further down without loosing performance.

Intel: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/w92HpG

AMD: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZGbqNQ
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>>67607009
>Ignores 2080 on purpose
You're the one ignoring price.
>RTX 2080
$750
>1080Ti
$600
Yes, it performs higher in those few cherry picked games with HDR enabled when it costs $150 more.
In most cases, which SDR, it'll perform worse.

Can't tell if you're technically illiterate, or just trolling. If you post again, it'll be clear.
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Does anyone here have both AMD and Nvidia cards in the same PC, with a freesync monitor? If so, would you be interested in testing my software that allows game to run on the NV card while outputting with freesync over the AMD card? (Effectively giving you freesync with nvidia)
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>>67607210
Why not just save money and get this instead?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8sVJBb
>$1290 for a build with a 1440p 144hz AHVA(IPS) monitor. It's actually a good time to build a PC finally.

I really don't get the point of spending more money, but you do you.
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>>67607249
>Well since the man said he could spend a shitton of money and said he would be using it for gaming, content creation and research, I thought I might give him two nice systems. But sure, if you want to give him a system that only do 144hz on medium settings in most games when his budget is more than double what you spent, go for it.
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>>67607249
>chinkshit monitor that will catch fire in less than a year
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>>67607279
didn't mean to greentext that
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>>67600553
bump for thoughts on my gaming build
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jXMRnH
I'm building my first PC, is this a decent build? I'm a noob so I'm sure I could do better.
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>>67607210
I should have clarified a bit more lol. $2000 just on the computer with no peripherals. I already have the other stuff
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>>67607341
Besides monitors which I will buy on a different budget
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>>67607324
Spend less on hdd, more on ssd. Get an ssd that isn't a meme, see: not nvme

Get nhd15 instead of that memecooler

>>67607341
You have the monitors? That's all I included besides the pc
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>>67607351

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WByJBb
this then?
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>>67605144
Why no Vega?
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>>67607415
(You)
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if opting for a 2600 over a 2600x, is it pretty much mandatory to get a better cooler?
If so, which one will keep the total cost below a 2600x
If not, is the 2600 still good for gaming even without overclocking?
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>>67607356
>Get nhd15 instead of that memecooler
I would but it doesn't fit in my case, is the nh-u12s any good?
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>>67602904
Holy shiet!
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>>67607426
Just buy a 8400 if you are gaming
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>>67607431
anything noctua is decent. No idea if that one is good but it can't be terrible
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>budget
600 burger buckos
>uses
Uni and Gaymen(R6, Dragons Dogma DA, M&B Warband)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tCg2jy
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>>67607445
isn't it already maxed out,with no more cores to utilise for future games? ANd has secutiry issues?
Or does none of that matter for the next few years?
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>>67607519
>isn't it already maxed out
no, only in 1-2 games but again that doesn't mean anything
>has security issues
Literally a meme pushed by amd fanboys
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>>67607223
>1080Ti
>$600
Lol
Maybe used.
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I like big screens, so how is this?
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/WX7CmG/asus-va32aq-315-2560x1440-60hz-monitor-va32aq
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>>67607636
i'm open to the 8400 but it seems to me the difference is negligible;
>I don't have a 1080 Ti and if I game at 1440p I'll be GPU bottlenecked
>The 'extra' frames during gaming that the 8400 gives when not GPU bottlenecked are already over 100fps where any difference is not noticeable anyway
>Games in future will presumably utilise more cores, especially if next consoles use ryzen
>The AM4 mobo's will be supported further into the future
If you can still present a compelling argument for the 8400 despite this, I'm happy to hear it
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Are either of these Vega 56's worth considering? They both seem cheaper than 1070 Ti at these discounts
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>>67607807
Sapphire is always good, what's the price compared to 1070? If it's also cheaper than 1070 non ti then get it for sure if it's the same price then also get it if it's more expensive then it depends how much.
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>>67607776
8400 is better value since you don't need expensive ram and mobo and cooler which are needed for the 2600/x to get somewhat good fps
>games in the future will utilise more cores
When that happens both cpus will be garbage and outdated so there's no point bringing that up
>AM4 mobo's will be supported further
Do you plan on upgrading in the next 2 years? I dont know why anyone would do that but then ryzen wins on this one.
You only make assumptions that ryzen will be better for the "future". Buy what you want for "now"
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So this is my psu and I can connect my gpu either using one of those Pci-e which splits into 2x 6+2 or use two separate cables. Does it make a difference which options should I use?
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>>67607940
>since you don't need expensive ram and mobo and cooler which are needed for the 2600/x to get somewhat good fps
sounds good, any particular recomended board/RAM combo? Would I not want faster RAM anyway for future proofing though?
>When that happens both cpus will be garbage and outdated so there's no point bringing that up
I'll have to plead ignorance here, I thought this was a phenomenon that was already starting to happen. When next gen games arrive I want to keep playing at least at 60fps
I'm happy with 60fps and want at least 3 good years out of this build
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>>67607705
If you can't follow prices to give decent advice, you shouldn't be in /pcbg/.

>>67607807
The Pulse is actually really good considering the cheap price.
It's not high end, but it's not low end either. And the blow-through cooler on the nano PCB works really well.

Worth getting if it's a bit under 1070Ti price, and/or you were already looking at getting a Freesync monitor (or already have one).

>>67607969
What ??? Only use the 6+2 plug for 6 or 8 pin PCIe cards.
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>>67608086
I mean my gpu needs 2x 8 pin and I can either connect it with one cable which splits into 2x8 or use two cables. I'm not sure how psu splits the load and if that makes a difference, never used modular psu before.
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>>67607923
>>67608086
most 1070 Ti's seem to be between AUD$600-800
My only concern with Vega 56 is that I'd apparently need to undervolt it, I know nothing about this shit.
If I go Vega then I'll probably look at getting that MBest monitor.
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when is the next series of intel due? Will there be an i5 9400?
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>>67608031
Both cpus can do 60 fps for the next 3 years. Any b360 motherboard with 2666mhz ram gets the job done out of the box unlike ryzen where you have to tweak everything from cpu to ram everytime you want to play games.
>Would I not want faster RAM anyway for future proofing though?
By the time you upgrade cpus will support ddr5 so you will have to change the ram too
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>>67608183
9600K is confirmed, nothing on 9400
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>>67608118
Dont buy pooga, you need to have CS degree to know what the fuck you need to do to get optimal results just to get to use freesync. It's likely you end up fucking something up. 1070ti is much better and has driver support in games.
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>>67608306
>pooga
How's middle school?
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>>67607239 (Me)
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Friend asked me "Is there any way to slim the price down on this?"

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6cf3WD
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>>67608377
Is he sure he wants to buy a 1080 right now? With the RTX cards coming in a few days?
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>>67608377
You dont want such an expensive mobo
Get b360 instead. Or if your gaming at 1080p the cheapest z370 to notice some difference with the fast ram but i dont think it's worth it.
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>>67608435
Exactly what I was thinking.
More importantly, what is the plan for AMD? Could he build a PRETTY EQUIVALENT machine with a ryzen+rx build instead?

>>67608498
This was what I was thinking and looking for--I just haven't been up to date on which chipsets are good for what.
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why doesn't pcpartpicker show intel cpu's?
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>>67607727
bump
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I have a 1070, a RVZ02B, and a 600W SFX PSU. I'm just trying to come up with a decent build, and I think this is the best bang for that I can come up with.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xjxXMZ
Suggestions are incredibly welcome.
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Please rate my PC build. The case there is the wrong one though. I am getting this one below.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fR3629

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00YJJBFIO/ref=psdcmw_572238_t2_B00P7TPYI2
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>>67608700
A-ok outta 10
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I ordered an i9-7900x and they shipped me an i9-7920x should I bother returning this shit or just go with it?
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is there a big difference between a regular GTX 1080 and a 1070 Ti?
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Is there much of a difference between Seasonic focus+ and prime psu's? Also, is platinum worth it or should I just get gold?
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>>67608796
iirc a 1080 can be overclocked by the manufacturer, the ti no,
they are pretty much the same tho
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>>67608118
Just watch a youtube video for it. It's really simple and the utility for it comes with AMD's software/driver.

It takes a few minutes of learning to figure out, but you're better off for it.
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Is it worth it to use a fan controller on a chassis with 5 fans for neater cable management as opposed to having them all in fan slots in the mobo?
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>>67608762
>>67608762
HELP
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What do you think about Lian Li tower cases?
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>>67608926
It's a 2C/4T difference. Just use it.
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>>67608962
I don't know what that means but thank you I'll stick with it
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>>67609014
7920 has 2 more cores/4 more threads than the 7900x. If you didn't know that you should've done more research before dumping an entry level systems worth of USD on a single component.
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>>67609014
You got a free upgrade.
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What computer cases are the most aesthetic? I realize everyone's definition of aesthetic will vary massively.
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>>67608838
Can someone please answer this?
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>>67607415
Because vega came out way later than the 1080 ti
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Is water cooling AIO's a meme? Want my next build to use pic related but it's a water cooling case, barely any room for a cpu air cooler.
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>AMD shill OP still shilling 10 series GPUs when benchmarks leaks already show the 20 series absolutely destroy it
(lol
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>>67609773
t. intel shill
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>>67607636
>no, only in 1-2 games but again that doesn't mean anything
Are you referring to GTAV? I would want my cpu to handle GTA games comfortably
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>>67609772
The best AIOs (talking 360mm triple fan setups) maybe get ~5 degrees better results over high end air. At twice the cost of high end air and more noise level but really any high end cooler no matter air or water is going to be bottlenecked if you using a non-delidded Intel CPU and if your talking Ryzen your going to hit a clock wall before a thermal wall on almost any cooler
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Why do people here discourage 60Hz monitors? Wouldn't they be good value for somebody not aiming for a 144Hz build? Are they still better than HDTV's?
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>>67609772
>155mm
I'm surprised, it seems like it should be able to support a taller cooler than that.
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>>67609930
IDK where the 75hz meme comes from as any sort of standard monitor you get is going to be 60hz and most TVs have always been 60hz (some have 120hz panels but thats another story).
Unless your prioritizing gaming there is nothing wrong with a 60hz monitor
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>>67610016
well i am prioritising gaming, i just figured 60 is standard and an easier target to hit
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Does a Ryzen 5 2600 pair well with a gtx 1070 or will bottlenecking occur? Build is not for me.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miE1nrkjmUA
>1x6pin +1x8pin
>2x8pin
haha.
somebody call nine wan wan
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>>67610046
Well if that is the case if you can afford a better than 60hz monitor go for that if you plan on keeping it awhile, If your planning to get something better down the road than save your money and get a basic monitor for the mean time.
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>>67610110
I've seen a 32" 1440p IPS 60Hz monitor I like for under AUD$500
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>>67602928
Just look for a video on youtube. I made my first build a couple of months ago and it all went well. You can do it breh.
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I'm seeing almost no difference in price between 2666MHz and 3200MHz RAM
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>>67610159
32 inches is sort've big for 1440p in terms of monitors but if you like bigger screens there isn't anything wrong with that (I personally use a 49" 4k TV for PC use) If you don't mind 60hz and your GPU can't do anything better than go for it
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4DkbyX

should I return my 1080 tis and get the new 2k meme ones? all my parts just came so I can return the 1080s
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>>67610366
I would. There is absolutely no way ~$1600 worth of GPUs is worth investing in last gen cards when next-gen is only a week or two away.
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>>67610386
well I got them on sale for $690 so they weren't that full price
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first time building a pc, for the case I chose the thermaltake p3, I like the open concept but I live in a dry climate and I know it's gonna get hella dusty. thinking about getting some basic water cooling stuff for more style points but I'll do more research first in the mean time

also it was very tedious to assemble and almost felt like I needed an expert at some moments since the instructions that came in the box weren't very clear but then i remembered i am the expert.
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Are HGST hdds still the most reliable or would WD black be better?
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Hi, /o/ here.

Any good guides on RGB? I actually just want it for my motorcycle and figured you guys would be the best to go to.
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>>67606778

I would like to know too. My 390x is getting long in the tooth, looking to upgrade now to a 1080ti or 2070 depending on its performance. Not planning to get a new build until Zen 2 is out, I will make a decision to replace my 3570k then.
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>>67610246
>32 inches is sort've big for 1440p
i don't get this meme. I've gamed on 50" 720p screens and even that was fine.
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>>67598578
based
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>>67610574
If your just playing games from a distance sure that's fine but for desktop use on a desk lower PPI is more noticeable especially if you have decent eyesight, I personally don't give a shit and will happily run 1080p on a 4k screen if I feel like it but I know some people just don't like lower than normal PPI
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Am I stupid for considering spending $65 America'shat money so that I can use a vertical GPU?
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>>67608700
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fR3629
I think that's a lot to pay for a 1080Ti when they were $100 less 2 weeks ago, and you'd be fine with a 650-750w PSU.
I don't agree with buying a CPU with a flawed architecture and broken implementation of "SMT".
I wanted to say it's not a terrible build, but you're spending $1800 and don't even have a monitor included. You could get ~75% the same performance with a monitor included for over $500 less. >>67607249

>>67607302
Gooks aren't Korean.

>>67610366
Since you're retarded enough to get an i9, you should be retarded enough for RTX 2080ti, yes.
Make sure you get at least 4 970 Evos as well. 1 is not retarded enough.
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What’s an equivalent of PCPartPicker that lets you pick intel components?
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>>67611129
Yes.
>>67610470
No.
>>67610235
OK.
>>67610083
No need for 1070 unless you have a Gsync monitor. But no, there wouldn't be a CPU bottleneck with 2600.
>>67609930
60 FPS on a PC build is poor for gaming, 75 feels noticeably better.
>>67609772
Yes.
>>67609261
Choose minimalistic. Thank me later when you grow up and not tired of your not-ricer case.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

Thoughts? Looking to take advantage of the ryzen 2600 & MSI x470 mobo deal on newegg. case, SSD,and power supply are already in my possession.

PC will be used for some gaming, some 3d modeling and photo editing.
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Need a new monitor

Would prefer 27+ inch, 144hz

as cheap as possible
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>>67611827
I'm fucking retarded

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/69FcBb
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Redpill me on whether a RAID 0 multiple ramdisk setup is worth it, and how I would go about setting it up?
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Why are matx boards + cases just as and sometimes more expensive than atx sized stuff?
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>>67611129
Na the Thermaltake G3 is pretty sexy.

>>67611850
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/69FcBb
The Pulse Vega56 is better value, unless it suddenly became well over $400 the past few hours.
Get a nicer and more modern case that's not going to be full of dust.

Rest looks fine.

>>67611907
Uh they're usually cheaper. But sometimes cases are more or the same (like Meshify C) because of lower volume sales.
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>>67611952
>The Pulse Vega56 is better value, unless it suddenly became well over $400 the past few hours.
I don't do first person shooters, mostly strategy games. Is the Vega56/1070 overkill over say, a 1050 Ti/1060?

>Get a nicer and more modern case that's not going to be full of dust.
Already got the case from my friend. Can confirm full of dust.

Also gonna jump the ram up to 3200
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What's the best value between the 1080, 1080ti and vega 64? And when over then next few months would be the best time to buy used?
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>>67612001
also, both the vega56 and the evga 1070 are $400 from newegg, except the 1070 is on a $60 sale. is the vega really worth the extra?
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Pull out your crystal ball and tell me when we can expect Turing entry level cards.
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Anyone aware of a wall-mounted vesa monitor mount that's on a rail? So I can move it horizontally. The studs in my wall are offset from the center of my desk and I can't use something that's desk mounted.

Or should I trust one of these cheap gas spring wall mounts?
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>>67612030
It's like 20% better. Yes that's worth $60 more. And AMD's drivers and software are better now days. Price:fps of a $400 Vega56 is the best thing you can typically get lately.
>>67612001
Get a 1440p monitor and it won't be overkill, no.

>>67612048
Won't be Turing. Turing is RTX.

>>67612085
I'd get a gas spring one, yes. Lots of them fold pretty flat.
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>>67612445
So, Pascal refresh entry cards when?
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>>67612445
Can you see any reason why someone would regret getting a high end AMD card? I hate to support Nvidia's anti-competitive bullshit, but I would hate even more to be left out in the cold on something valuable.
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>>67607727
looks fine to me
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A R5 2600 + bios update on a B350 board from the seller would be about 40€ more. Is that worth it or should I just get a R5 1600 instead? I'm on a rather tight budget and I'm trying to cut corners wherever I can without compromising overall performance too much. Dude I'm building this PC for mostly games and maybe, MAYBE wants to get into streaming.
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>>67613199
What I forgot to mention: I'm gonna pair this CPU with a 1070Ti and a 1080p monitor (trying to push really high framerates).
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>>67612493
Freesync isn't as good as Gsync so you'll have to pair it with a monitor that will leave you stuck with AMD for the life of the monitor unless you want to pay extra to switch to Nvidia if AMD has shit the bed by the time you want/need to upgrade.
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the fags at tom's hw are telling me to get a i9, change mobo and get a vega 56
is there anything actually wrong with this build?
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/YsrdMZ
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About to buy a used PC with this cpu.
Will I lose performance as soon as I boot it up with w10 due to vulnerabililties.
Or it there is no performance loss?
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Is it worth it to replace my i5 3570k with the i7 3770k for gaymen? Having to replace my CPU, mobo and RAM is going to be really expensive since I need 16GB RAM but 4 cores and 4 threads is really starting to show its age in modern triple A games
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>>67613199
Just buy an MSI b450m board nigga
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>>67613672
They are way more expensive though.
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>>67598122
How does anybody stand having a rainbow clusterfuck going on in their PC? I have a few RGB components but I keep them all set to the same steady color, and just the few seconds of rainbow flashing bullshit they do before the drivers kick in drives me nuts.
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>>67613684
No they aren't just buy the cheapest one.
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>>67612493
The anon >>67613454 who said
>Freesync isn't as good as Gsync
Is either ignorant or lying.
Freesync monitors have greater choice and greater models. Like you can't get a Gsync monitor which is as low response time and input latency as that Mbest one. It's Freesync only.
The best Gsync monitors all have an identical and cheaper Freesync model in addition to many others that you can't get as Gsync.

There wouldn't be any regrets you'd have that there aren't equivolant Nvidia regrets. Like sometimes you have to roll back driver because the latest is giving you issues, but that happens just as often with Nvidia's driver.

>>67613623
Not really. Something like a 3960k or 4790k is the oldest CPU worth getting now days, and then still only if super cheap.
>>67613528
It's like a 15-20% loss.
Just get a 2400G if you can.
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>rtx literally overclocks itself
>amd niggers will tell you this is bad
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Is it crazy to run a Vega 64 on a good 550w psu?
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can someone give me a quick rundown on grounding myself without a wrist strap please? really don't want to make a rookie mistake
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>>67614009
If you undervolt it, that's fine.

>>67614027
Just touch the metal of your case to discharge and sit still afterward.
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>>67613892
The freesync models don't cover the range that the gsync ones do.
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r8 please.
not pictured: an SSD and a CX450M

I need a PC quite urgently and I can't really justify dropping 200-300 bucks on a GPU. won't go over 1080p gaming anytime soon.
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>>67614055
everything i'm reading online is saying I need to connect the power (keep it off) to discharge on the case?
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>2400g is godsend for my needs
>Ram prices and the DC 3200mhz requirement
Just fucking kill me
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>>67614120
What are you talking about? The 27Edg is 30-144hz.
Stop lying, you dumb shill.

And even if that were true, if your games are only running at 30fps you have bigger issues. 40 minimum is fine.

>>67614244
Get that 2800 CL15 2x4Gb kit and OC it to 3333 CL15 yourself.
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atom C3558 enough to run a decent home server/openvpn/nas/torrent box? (either freenas or some gnu/linux distro)
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>>67614468
Not sure, but why not a Celeron or Ryzen E?
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>>67614516
im looking at some supermicro motherboards with (passively cooled) integrated cpu:s, they seem to be either atom based or xeon based, but the xeon's are an extra $250 in many cases
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>upgrading from basically nothing
>looking to play games from the past 5 and the upcoming 2-3 years at 1080p, willing to drop to 900p to keep 60fps, or to drop to 30-40fps in some genres
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Convince me not to buy the Alienware 17 R5.
https://www.amazon.com/Alienware-AW17R5-i7-8750H-Graphics-Windows/dp/B07CWHWYPK
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>>67614727
It's 60hz.
Everything else about it is perfect.
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>>67614713
if you're gonna cheap out, you might as well save 50 extra bucks and go for 8100/1050ti. the need to upgrade will come at about the same time and the performance now will be almost the same.
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>>67614727
>>67614891
>try and shitpost
>get it all right
BTFO
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>>67614947
It's the same as my laptop, except the i7 is 2 generations ahead and it has a 1080p panel instead of 4K. So I might be a little biased, but to me this is what a powerhouse laptop should look like. Things are heavy and huge as fuck though, I wouldn't get it for straight gaming, but it comes in handy when everyone else in my class is trying to render and edit Premiere Pro videos with a dual core Mac with igpu's, while I shit on everything with my superior screen, graphics, keyboard, storage, memory and cpu.
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Can I put a good 1080 into a tiny baby case (itx, mitx) with just one hard disk and get good performance? What kind of increase in cost am I looking at?
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>>67601455
>their cooling solutions are not that good
source?

>heatsink+fans and is quieter
if it's anything like the xfx 580 8gb I had for a hot second I'd rather it'd be cool with fans on before attempting to cool itself starting at 75C without touching wattman
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Is the I5 8600 worth it? Should I stick to 8500?

Also, even if I am not overclocking, is getting a third party cooler a good idea if I want to reduce the noise?
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>>67610437
that looks both cool and absolutely retarded at the same time
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How do I small form factor PC?
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>>67615000
You might be wondering why nobody is replyin to you, and the answer to that is: Because nobody understands what the fuck you are on about. What do you mean by a tiny case? How will the size of the case change performance besides small thermal differences? What we need to know is what other hardware you are pairing it with,
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>>67615627
>What do you mean by a tiny case?
>>into a tiny baby case (itx, mitx)
>>>(itx, mitx)
>How will the size of the case change performance?
>>Can I put a good 1080 into...
>>>CAN I put...
>What we need to know is what other hardware you are pairing it with
It'd be with a modern high-end general purpose desktop processor (amd or intel).
Basically answer this:
>>67615520
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8700K worth it at this point in time?
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>>67615648
You buy a blower card, a mobo that fits the case, an aio for your cpu and everything else is done normally?
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>>67615701
Not really, unless you are desperate. I personally already have a z370 board that needs it's bios updated to be compatible with 9700K, which I need an 8th gen cpu to do. So I will be buying 8700K and then maybe returning it if 9700K turns out to be good
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>>67615707
And then the final, important part:
>What kind of increase in cost am I looking at?
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>>67615701
Depends.
If you NEED a new CPU RIGHT NOW and the only thing you'll use it for is video games, then yes. If not, no.
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>>67615707
Additionatlly, why would a blower card be more important?
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>>67598122
this thread isn't needed anymore. people should just follow the verge pc building guide
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>>67615723
>if 9700K turns out to be good
Anon, everyone already knows how the 9700k is going to perform.
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Made some adjustments. Am I fucking myself by going into Coffee Lake? I'd been looking at ryzen the entire time but I can't justify dropping that kind of money on RAM. I would rather power down and get a 1050ti, which would better fit my current needs.
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Any suggestions for Intel CPUs around 350 USD, preferably lower? I was originally looking at the i5 7640x but digging a bit deeper I realized it has some issues, so it's back to the drawing board. The rig is primarily going to be for gaming
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NEW THREAD WHEN
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one question with ryzen 2200g, when overclocking an apu what would be better, having the ram at 3200mhz with 1500mhz igpu or 1575mhz with ram at like 3000mhz? what im trying to say is whats more important on playing games with an apu, higher ram clock speeds or higher graphical speeds
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>>67616247
ram, by a pretty wide margin. though honestly, why not OC both?
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Im really bad at building pc's, is anything here super retarded and should be swapped out?
I really dont know much about Mobo's so I just chose a random one with little research.
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>>67616276
Oh yeah and I run a 1440p high refresh rate monitor
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>>67616264
with ram at 3200mhz the max i get on my igpu with a complete stable overclock is 1500mhz at 1.1625 volts. the highest fully stable was 1550mhz at 1.2125 and desu i dont think the performance difference is worth it compared to the increased voltage. i was wondering if lowering ram speed would let me get higher igpu speeds
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>>67615746
idk, over a normal atx build you are probably only paying a bit more (maybe less) for mobo, more for the aio than an air cooler, but blower cards are usually a tad cheaper than open air cards, so I'd say not much more than 50 dollars, maybe even nothing.

>>67615762
Blower cards take air in the case and run it trough the heatsink in the card, and then discard it out the back, where the ports are. This helps with exhausting out hot air in your system
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>>67615807
I've seen leaks where it barely beats 2700x in gaming, and leaks where it's overclocked to 5.5 ghz on all cores on water cooling only. I'm waiting for the official release before I trust anything.
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Is an msi 580 4gb card a good deal for $139
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I've got win10 on my ssd but it boots up as fast as it would if it was on a HDD, whats going on here?
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>>67613727
You are correct, I am retarded. Thanks for making me double check, anon.
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>>67616664
>ssd
>as fast as hdd
Pick one. Check that it's actually on your ssd, and how are you even comparing
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>>67616846
it take my pc like 2 full minutes to boot up despite nothing being on my ssd other than the os and nothing being on my hdd but a few albums
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What GPU for 60fps mostly max settings at 1440p for current games and games for a few years out?
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>>67616974
Either 1070Ti or 1080, depends on price.
1080 is like 80€ more but performs slightly better so I'd say it's up to you if that's worth it.
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What's better for gayming? A 144Hz monitor or a 4k monitor? I need to buy a new monitor and I can't afford both 144Hz and 4k
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I thought the AIB partner 2080 and 2080 Ti models were supposed to be $100 cheaper than the FE models?

Not only are they not cheaper, most of them are even more expensive than FE.

What the fudge?
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>>67617061
4k is a meme.
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>>67617061
I highly prefer 1440p/144hz over 4k/60, especially if you consider the fact that not even a 1080Ti is powerful enough to handle 4k/60 at max settings. 2080/2080Ti seem to be the only cards that can cosistently push those pixels at or even above 60 frames but you'd have to sell your kidneys to be able to afford that.
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>>67617061
What tastes better? Oranges or apples?
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>>67617128
apples
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>>67617133
Well, there you go then.
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>>67617107
I see. I like the idea of 4k, but I guess it is out of my price range

>>67617128
It's a matter of opinion, sure, but it's good to know what people who have tried them think
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>finally settle on a build
>hey, throwing 40 more bucks at a gpu would help a bunch
>hey, throwing 30 more bucks at a cpu would allow me to OC
>hey, these coolers aren't too expensive
>hmm I'd better get a bigger psu
>this case is gonna cause some issues with thermals now, better get some fans
>what is budget
I'll be perfectly honest, I fucking hate PCs
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>>67617209
4k for gaming is a meme, a high refresh rate is way cooler than a few more pixels, especially if you're into shooters. It's very convenient for productivity though since 4k basically eliminates the need for a second monitor entirely.
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>>67617251
>hey I now I have a computer that can do everything but I only browse 4chan and play 1 game a year
good way to waste 2k
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>>67617251
Unless you're planning on building a really, really small build it's very unlikely that thermals will ever be a huge issue. Also, don't fall for the "I'll just get a bigger PSU, just in case"-meme. 450-500W will do just fine. And when it comes to gaming -> GPU > CPU.
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>>67617309
I was actually planning for a Node 202 build, so thermals are a concern. 450W is already in, will it be enough to OC both the CPU and the GPU?
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Any eurofags going for evga gpu+psu bundles sale?

I'm finally gonna upgrade from 6y.o. amd 7850
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Do you have a second monitor /pcbg/?
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>>67617586
I have my laptop along with a 1080p 144hz panel, used to have another 1080p 60hz but I gave it to my parents
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>>67617251
>I'll be perfectly honest, I fucking hate PCs
Even with the idiocy you described, that PC will be twice as performant than a similarly priced laptop or iFag
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>>67617586
Yes.
As well as a third and a fourth.
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Can I get a link to the safe W10 activator?





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