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>Create a parts list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>Learn how to build a PC
Search youtube for a guide for your socket

Want help?
>State the budget & CURRENCY for your build
>List your uses; eg Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose and graphics card pairing.
>Don't use Speccy. Use HWinfo, SIV, etc.
>For Win7 in Ryzen, refer to https://pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1

CPU
>i3 8100 - Bare minimum gaming
>R5 2400G/R5 2600/x- Consider IF on sale
>i5 8400 - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>Wait for i7 9900k and 9700k - Surely the best for gaming at any resolution
>i7 8700k - Currently best high-end gaming at any resolution/mixed usage on a non-HEDT platform
>Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT

RAM
>8GB - Enough for most gaming use
>16GB - Standard for heavy use
>32GB - If you have to ask, you don't need this
>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2933MHz+ is ideal

Graphics cards
>RTX 2000 cards are top of the line GPU atm but wait untill the price comes down a little
>Avoid cheap MODELS ie MSI Armor (Mk2 is ok), Gigabyte G1/Wf, ASUS dual, and others which have small heatsinks and low quality fans
>Avoid Vega they are poor values and inferior to their Pascal counterpart in every way
1080p
>1060 6GB standard 1080p 60fps+ options
>1050 3Gb or RX560 4Gb for lower settings and/or older games
>GTX 1070Ti/1080 if seeking higher FPS /w a high hz monitor
1440p
>GTX 1070Ti/1080
>GTX 1080Ti if seeking higher FPS /w a high hz monitor
4K
>Upscale from 1620-1800p. Gtx 1080ti/2080. Maybe 2080Ti, but awful value.


Storage
>Backup before using StoreMi
>Consider getting a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & large HDD
>2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB
>M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard
>NVMe are not for gaming; See "More"

Display
>Consider 75hz minimum; 60hz are mostly old models.
>Always consider G-Sync with nVidia cards
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING

Previous thread
>>68005828

More
https://rentry.co/pcbg-more
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So is the Newegg's black friday going to be worth it or are we going to see the same shitshow from last year?
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Do server CPUs feel sluggish handling regular workloads? I heard that opinion and also their freqs are pretty low ranging from 2 to 2.5 MHz usually.
For example, if you rock 24-core Epyc 7401P whose clock is 2 GHz how will it be in compare to consumer 16-core CPU (if we don't mind the price delta ofc)?
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>>68015107
Based and redpilled
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>>68015143
not even an american and I can tell its gonna be a shitshow unless some amd announce something surprising in the next week,
we should rename black friday ssdday to get away from the problematic americans
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>>68015107
CPU
>R3 2200G - Bare minimum gaming(dGPU optional)
>R5 2400G/i5-8400 - Consider IF on sale
>R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>Wait for R7 3700X - Surely the best for gaming and not a massive overpriced disappointment like the 9700k
>R7 2700/X - Best high-end gaming/mixed usage on a non-HEDT platform
>Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT

CPU
>i3 8100 - Bare minimum gaming
>R5 2400G/R5 2600/x- Consider IF on sale
>i5 8400 - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>Wait for i7 9900k and 9700k - Surely the best for gaming at any resolution
>i7 8700k - Currently best high-end gaming at any resolution/mixed usage on a non-HEDT platform
>Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT

LUL
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>>68014989
Dont put it on the anti-static bag retard the outside of it can be conductive. Put on a stick of RAM and go from there.
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REMINDER
To all you fucks doing manual overclocks across all cores.
I would not go above 1.42V for 1gen ryzen and for 2nd gen ryzen I would not go over 1.38V assuming you care about your chips health and want to use it long term in such conditions.
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>>68015107
>intel shill OP.
LOL. nice try.
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>>68015107
>Being this much of a shameless shintelkike
Oy Veyy!
>>68015011
>>68012955
>>68013090
>>68013579
>>68013679
>>68013763
>>68013890
>>68013973
>>68014232
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>>68015243
Unironically much better. People who recommends Ryzen APU deserves to get shot.
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>>68015243
Why is the intel one actually nice to the competitor
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I've been teetering on the edge of buying a used 1080 ti for weeks now. It's unlikely we'll see the prices come down on RTX stuff for at least a year right?
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Both AMD and Intel are going to be superseded before 2020 by Baikal the russky processor.
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>>68015386
So another OC'd 2600 with expensive RAM and cooler benchmark again?
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Sorry that I had to take this over from the previous thread, guess I posted right at the end of the old one.

I need some help real quick:


My new PC arrived yesterday, today ive gottana round to assembling everything, but it won't start up. It won't even beep or do anything, I get a black screen while my CPUfans keep spinning.


Right now, I stripped away everything except the CPU, same problem remains.

Pic related, what could I miss?
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>>68015457
>Intel doesn't need ram!
>Intel doesn't need coolers
>3200 is literally 6gorillion bucks more than 2933. This is annotha shoah
Nice kikery. Even with """expensive""" ram and custom cooler, a 2600 setup is less expensive than an unlocked cpu from intelaviv with liquid nitrogen @5 jigahertz
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>>68015392
Because the other one was a joke that people were to autistic to get.
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>>68015513
>Intel doesn't need ram!
the 8400 will deliver that performance with the cheapest 2666 RAM kit you can find. So yes. It's another story with a 8700k

>Intel doesn't need coolers
The 8400 delivers its maximum performance with the stock cooler. It's likely noisy from having 100% RPM but again it doesn't cause 8400 to thermally throttle.

>3200 is literally 6gorillion bucks more than 2933. This is annotha shoah
Depends on where you are, in euro land for isntance the difference can easily be 100-150euros.

>Even with """expensive""" ram and custom cooler, a 2600 setup is less expensive than an unlocked cpu from intelaviv with liquid nitrogen @5 jigahertz
But the comparisson is vs the 8400, not the 8700k? So whats your point?
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>>68015386
>>68015457
All memes and shilling aside, how potent and "future-proof" is the r5 2600 + 16gb Cl16 3200mhz Ram combo?
There are people that are still running older i5' and i7's with standard ddr3 ram without hitting significant bottlenecks for 1080p60hz gaming. Can ryzen provide the same?
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>>68015107
Sir please do the needful.
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>>68015563
>All memes and shilling aside, how potent and "future-proof" is the r5 2600 + 16gb Cl16 3200mhz Ram combo?
What do you consider "future proof"?
Be very specific please.
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>>68015561
>Depends on where you are, in euro land for isntance the difference can easily be 100-150euros.
It's like 10-20euro at best stop pretending that europe is one country Meanwhile 2600x is 210 euro and 8400 is 290 euro lol it was 250 last week.
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>>68015502
its the motherboard you dingus, what cpu did you pair it with?
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>>68015561
How loud is the 8700k in comparison to the 8400?
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>>68015599
>It's like 10-20euro at best stop
If that's true for you, then AMD obviously is better for you.
I'm just pointing out that for a lot of euro people, the price difference is huge in B-die vs non B-die.

The 8400 build here is actually cheaper than the 2600.
But again if it's different for you then buy accordingly. Lets just stop acting like one regions price applies to everybody in the world.
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>>68015107
> no RX580
> recommending 8th gen (pic related)
> recommending RTX when the 2080ti replaces the Titan and the 2080 is overpriced
> implying RTX will drop in price
I agree with the 8100 being bare minimum at least. Saddened to see that after weeks of asking intelfags to change the OP it came to this shitpile.
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>>68015502
Do you even have a GPU? It looks like youre running Ryzen CPU that all lacks an iGPU beside the 2200g and 2400g model.
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>>68015667
On what? The shitty stock cooler? Overclocked, stock?
The intel shitty cooler is just barely enough for the 8400 to keep it from thermally throttling, if you live in a colder area then you are completely fine (if though loud) and if you live in a hot area you will probably need a better cooler.
the 8700k is a lot hotter than 8400 and will absolutely be thermally throttled by the intel stock cooler.
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>>68015594
>without hitting significant bottlenecks for 1080p60hz
I'd like to have the same experience with 1440p 75hz. As in, no 100% CPU load and no stuttering when gaming. I'm also contemplating getting a Cl14 B-die kit and an r5 2600X, but both of them are extremely expensive.
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>>68015677
Never said anything about bdie. My 3000mhz ram is running fine at 3200. Sure it's not the best but it's pretty much the same price as any cheap 2400 ram.
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>>68015677
>Lets just stop acting like one regions price applies to everybody in the world
And you just use the price in your region to make a global meme.jpg
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>>68015502
Where is your RAM?
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>>68015667
the 8700k doesn't come with a stock cooler and the normal 8700 can't be contained by the stock cooler
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>>68015107
Doing G*d's work. The blatant AMD shillings the last few months was getting more and more disgusting.
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>>68015502
where is your ram?
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>>68015742
>intel housefire barley even faster than AMD in GAMING
holy shit I never would have believed it, and all this performance for only $150 more!
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>>68015502
You've shorted your motherboard putting it on top of the anti static bag.
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>>68015742
I knew you were an AMDfag.
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How do I shop mice? Never have before.

I want wireless (can also be used wired is fine), rechargeable (doesn't need to be wireless), not sure on meme extra buttons.
I'm not sure on weights and shit.
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>>68015710
I think almost any AMD or intel CPU will handle 1080p 60fps. And 1440p is more GPU bound than CPU.
>As in, no 100% CPU load
High utilization doesn't mean it's a bad thing. For instance if the game frame rate is uncapped, the CPU can be ulitized at 100% when trying to push out 200 fps, that's not a bad thing that is' utilized well. If youd cap the games fps to 100fps then, the utilization would fall because the cpu essentially does it's job and then waits around doing nothing.

>>68015716
>Never said anything about bdie
That changes quite a bit, you know that, right?

>>68015718
>And you just use the price in your region to make a global meme.jpg
What? The prices were used on the same site as the people who replyed to the original response. How is that not valid? If somebody uses some german site to show the prices and a person responds with the same site and german prices to show the difference, then how is that a flaw?

>>68015742
Still not going to post a disclamer on hardware used, games used and such?
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>>68015789
G304/G305
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>>68015801
No it doesn't. Your first post was talking about 3200 ram not about b-die. Any 3000mhz ram can reach 3200 with 15-15-15 timings.
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>>68015789
> go to your favorite computer parts website
> enter your filters
> buy a cabled mouse
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>>68015561
>the 8400 will deliver that performance with the cheapest 2666 RAM kit you can find. So yes. It's another story with a 8700k
nice bullshit
>The 8400 delivers its maximum performance with the stock cooler. It's likely noisy from having 100% RPM but again it doesn't cause 8400 to thermally throttle.
>intelaviv stock cooler is better than amd's stock cooler. the 8400 can deliver maximum performance with it's stock cooler.
Shameless kike-bullshit again
>Depends on where you are, in euro land for isntance the difference can easily be 100-150euros.
Once again, complete bullshit. The difference is between 20-50 bucks on average. Even in euroland
>trying to pull a swift kike trick again
Check all of those quoted-replies shlomo.
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>>68015789
If you can find a place you can test them, like a friend that has it or a shop with open mice, the size and shape is almost more important than all the specs. A G403 is a good mid range one. personally I think Logitech is the only option to consider for mice.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dcd33b

Can I get some feedback on this build? Do you think 1080p or 1440p is better for it?
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>>68015107
I missed you faggot
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>>68015826
Oh, sorry, guess I mixed up an argument with some other 8400 stuff then.

>>68015835
>nice bullshit
It's been proven, go look at youtube videos or benchmarks.
>Shameless kike-bullshit again
Same as above.

Also saying "bullshit" as a response to every point is not an argument.
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>>68015835
current gap between the 2600 and the 8400 is 140€ in my standard shops, in other words almost twice as expensive
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I've been told multiple times here that the K variant of Intel CPUs are the exact same, they are just unlocked so you can over clock the. So why is the base clock on a stock K version much higher than the Non K version?
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>>68015563
Check the cpu usage of intel chips at work and cpu usage of amd chips under stress. Check just how different it is switching between applications with intel and with ryzen. Chips like the 8400 will be obsolete faster than any ryzen. And even when they do, that mobo will still be able to house a 7nm next gen.
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>>68015879
Kids don't even know what's overclocking but bigger numbers = better, so they're more likely to pay more for K cpus.
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>>68015876
Not in EU or usa, but just checked my goto shop and the 2600 is $7 more expensive than the 8400. Is that a good deal then?
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>>68015879
>So why is the base clock on a stock K version much higher than the Non K version?
Because intel wants you to spend more money on the K version? Duh.
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>>68015924
Not really. If you plan on overclocking it could be a good deal. If you just plan on gaymen and forget about your parts, the 8400 is a better purchase.
Before Intel prices skyrocketed in Europe the 2600 was 25€ less expensive than the 8400.
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>want to build pc
>intel is overpriced atm
>ryzen is cheaper but shitty at games and have to oc which im not interested in
>also annoying amdfags make me dislike ryzen even more

What do? How long until prices are back to normal again?
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>>68016006
>muh gaymes
go back to >>>/v/ you child
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>finaly time to upgrade pc because 3 parts broke
>Want to check recommended builds/benchmarkz for games I want to play
>There are none
>All the games I've been playing are old or indie shit that runs on a EEE.
What the fuck now?
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>>68016006
>ryzen is cheaper but shitty at games and have to oc which im not interested in
Didn't know you literally HAD to. Top kek
>What do?
(You) act like a good goyim and buy your premium shit at a premium price because after all:
>price doesn't matter!
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suggested changes? no shills allowed
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x2DCgw
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>>68016090
I don't like the motherboard and the keaboard but overall it's the basic bitch high end gaming build. Go ahead.
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>>68016070
This is intel.vs.amd general here boy.
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>>68016072
Ive been on the fence going ba k and forth, but this image is making me go with Ryan now.
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Hey guys /o/ lurker here, i used to be really into pcs but i kinda just stopped caring and sold my rig. i have a new rig its really barebones rn. i currently have 4gbs of ram and i wanna bump up to 16, can i just get 3 more 4gb sticks if they're the same brand and speed or am i going to have to get a 16gb kit? Also is it worth getting 780tis in this day and age? I can get a sli setup up for like $250 leaf bucks. Thanks guys
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>>68016090
Wouldn't go with anything ASUS. But it's fine if you like paying $50 dollars for for a 4% difference in 1440p with a 2700X.
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>>68016090
Why not 9700k?
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>>68016176
Better buy 2X8 and ditch the old.
Get a 1080 and forget about SLI.
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>>68016219
Hummm
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>>68016195
>Don't use Asus
>Don't use gigabit
>Don't use MSI
What the fuck are we supposed to use?
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>>68016239
I either use Asrock or MSI. Sapphire, MSI or EVGA for GPUs.
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>>68016249
>assrock
And Sapphire is an AMD partner, not with Nvdia.
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Best mATX case?
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>>68016311
Best mATX case is a full-size ATX case.
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>>68016308
And?
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>>68016311
Prolly the meshify.
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Anyone with a 1070 have a good 144hz 1080p monitor?
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>>68016311
Define mini, LianLi PC-A04, Phanteks Evolv mATX, TT Core V31 (is actually a small ATX case), Silverstone PS12.
Not too many dedicated mATX cases out there.
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>>68016333
Asus motherboard is fine and Sapphire GTX doesn't exist.
MSI is shit though.
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>>68016237
Himmmmmmm
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>>68016371
>>68016511
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147276&cm_re=Rosewill_cube-_-11-147-276-_-Product

Whats the deal with this case?
Compatibility is fine, cable management is decent. I cant find any reviews on youtube.
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>>68016802
An Air 540 with the looks of the 280x. Apparently doesn't come with tools.
Looks decent and cheap af.
About time Corsair got some contenders for that format. Love the shape. But always was too expensive by the look of it.
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>>68015502
Yo you fixed your shit nigga?
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>>68017066
Is shit is like his chicken. Fried.
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>>68015107
so im going to put together my pc today, and my friend talked me into windows 10, though im looking at using the LTSB version. which basically means instead of huge updates every 6 months, itll only be monthly security updates, and larger updates every 2-3 years. i assume most of the things in the updates ill be missing will be garbage id want to disable anyway, but i wanted to run that by you guys and see what you think. the PC is pretty much only for gaming
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2x 1080ti FE for 1000 bucks, should I cop
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>>68017154
seems like a good deal. at worst, if SLI doesnt perform as well as you want it to or something like that, you could sell the other one for 500 or more. and the evga 1080ti i bought recently is still under warranty for 2 years, so if the FE has a similar warranty length(originally 4 years), that would probably be the case for those, too, in the event they were miner cards and fail early(which im not really sure is even a big concern for mining cards)
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>>68017147
Just pirate windows like everyone else
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>>68017201
thats already what im going to do. that doesnt affect updates
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>>68017147
>and my friend talked me into windows 10
> talked me into windows 10
>friend
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>>68017231
lol, it cant be that bad, can it? with ltsb it wont interrupt me with long updates, and that also might mean it will be easier to disable the unwanted features, or at least will remain disabled longer in the range of 2-3 years
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>>68015107
Based, not even in the thread but I can already see the SEETHING AyyMADs
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>>68017265
>lol, it cant be that bad, can it?
It's worse
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Socket kikery is enough to completely disregard intel in any budget-conscious build. Just imagining the eventual upgrade makes me shudder.
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>>68017275
pls explain. i have to go take care of some things, but im going to check back here in roughly 2 hours
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Where are the 600 series gpus? You said there would be new cards in October.
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>>68017292
no, I care enough to drop a comment but not to go through shit tons of explanations every time somebody like you pops up. look it up if you care, or don't if you don't care.
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Is the 9600k looking like a good gaming cpu? Will there be a 9400?
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The MSI board is hardware wise better, but Asus is known for their good software. So what should I chose?
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>>68015107
>American Micro Devices
>Jewtel
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>>68016090
Use HGST instead. Seagate is utter shit
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>>68017355
What’s wrong with Seagate?
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>>68017280
>budget-consious build
>upgrades every year anyways
What did he mean by this?
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>>68015457
8400 has the same expensive RAM and a z370 board. It's right there in the picture, on the top left.
Good job making a fool of yourself.
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>>68017408
Who said every year?
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>>68017201
Is there some relatively safe way to do this w/o installing obscure activator software?
I heard there was some way to set up a licensing server on a VM and activate using it.

>>68017147
Why do you even need updates?
I never updated my WinXP SP2 til this day. No troj/virus/locker til now.
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>>68017335
Hard to give advice for a shitty platform. Either way you're cucking yourself.

>>68017328
It costs as much as a 2700X for only 6 threads, so no.

>>68017405
Anon just doesn't know what he's talking about. Seagate has been fine since 2017.
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>>68017468
who cares about threads when it has better performance
even 8600k had better performance
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>>68017405
https://www.kitguru.net/components/hard-drives/matthew-wilson/backblaze-has-revealed-2017-hard-drive-reliability-stats/
Just look at it.
>>68017468
>Lies about Seagate because it's cheap and chimps out because someone doesn't buy AMD
End your life you pathetic NEET.
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>>68017499
Never listen to anyone here saying you should buy AMD.
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>>68017428
uh, the point is that 8400 doesn't get benefit form the expensive RAM, nor does it suffer from cheap RAM.
The whole point is that you can get CHEAP RAM on 8400 and get good performance.
It's like putting a ryzen 1200 with a liquid cooler and a 9900k OC and saying "but both have the same cooler", the ryzen 1200 gains nothing from that extra cooling.
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>>68017428
>and a z370 board
forgot to address this, since it's a locked CPU and can use cheap RAM it has zero use for more expensive motherboard either. So the cheapest B360 will have you covered.
Again the whole point is that it's a lot cheaper to get the 8400 to perform at it's best.
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>>68017433
My bad 2 years thats how often amd changes socket
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>>68017499
>all threads loaded to 100% and stuttering is better performance
You fags said the same thing about the 6600k and 7600k. Frequently get people complaining about stuttering and asking how to fix it or if they should upgrade on those CPUs when you said they were fine and better than the 1600/X.

>>68017541
You're retarded m8. There's endless proof from many sources that 8400 gets better FPS with faster RAM. 2666 is a bottleneck.

>>68017573
Stop lying.
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>>68017583
>There's endless proof from many sources that 8400 gets better FPS with faster RAM. 2666 is a bottleneck.
post em
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Is 2700x worth the extra cash over a 2600x for gaming?
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>>68017583
Even if 8400 benefits from faster ram, all the benchmarks that are being posted have it using 2666 ram and still beating ryzen. If anyone wants to buy faster ram then it will btfo ryzen even more.
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>>68015107
This one is fake everybody, there's no title saying that this is /pcbg/
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>>68017627
Not worth 100$/€ more if gaming is your sole purpose if you ask me.
If you are streaming maybe.
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So I currently have a 4790k, and am looking to upgrade my cpu/ram/mb but can't decide between the 2700x or 8700k. Or should I wait for 9700k? It's for gaming so I was leaning toward the 8700k but would not like to support Intel's kikery, but performance matters most. I'm curious about what speed of ddr4 is worth it as well, like 3000? Also any good mb recommendations would be appreciated, probably will be overclocking.
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Should I get a GTX 1080ti Strict OC edition or a Zotac 2080 Blower?
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Best motherboard manufacture?
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>you can get cheaper ram with an 8400
Yet all the sites show 2666mhz ram costing about the same as 3300mhz
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>>68017703
depends on what things you value
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>>68017583
>all threads loaded to 100% and stuttering is better performance
4c/8t is much worse than 6c/6t. You won't been seeing stuttering any time soon considering games are as demanding as 5 years ago. Even if it happens it's gonna be 1-2 cherrypicked games like always.

>>68017673
9700k paired with cheap 3000/3200 ram imo.
>mb
Every z390 is high end but expensive, else any $150 z370 will oc more than fine
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>>68017718
Just need a decent rig for work and quality gaming.
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>>68015801
How badly does the lifespan shorten if constantly 100%?
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>>68017617
Na. No use spoon feeding someone who is too retarded to google for RAM speed benchmarks on the 8400 which aren't GPU limited.

>>68017761
That's what retards said about the 2500k, and to get it instead of the 2600k.
You're the same sort of moron.
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>>68017677
They're pretty close on price where I live, please help.
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>>68017796
>zero mention of CPU, power requirements, phases, vrms, connections, audio, mosfets, just nothing, nothing at all
lol in your case just buy literally any motherboard as long as it boots up you wont notice a difference
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>>68017810
Fuck off retard there's literally no game that needs more than 6 threads apart from 3 at most that are from 2012.
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>>68017843
The Strix is a mile better if the price is close
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>>68017797
Literally doesn't matter.
What matters is how much volts are going through the chip, and how well it's cooled. Utilization by itself doesn't degrade a CPU.
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>>68015107
Cringe OP
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>>68015107
Based OP.
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What can I do with my 240mm radiator? the pump is broken but I dont see why the rest of it should go to waste.
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>>68017926
240mm rads are shit anyway. Just throw it away and get something better.
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>>68017926
AiO or Standalone?
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>>68017917
nice samefagging
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>>68017952
AiO is cringe
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>>68017952
AIO.
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>>68017987
cringe
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>>68015392
why is intel paying pajeets to shit up the board
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Can anyone clarify this issue of the implications of cores being loaded at 100%?
I’ve seen images of 8400 running GTAV at 100% loaded. Does that actually result in stuttering? If so then 8400 seems like a bad buy
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>>68015107
nice mobo
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>>68017987
Can't you replace it? They have several years of warranty usually.
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>>68018004
I don't think so.
It's the Turbo Boost™ feature that causes this.
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Ever notice how /g/ all of a sudden gets flooded with intel shills whenever either
>a. intel fucks up a product launch
or
>b. AMD doesn't fuck up a product launch
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>>68018048
>fuck up a product lanuch
Why would you ever imply that?
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>>68015107
Bothered?
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sir do the needful and buy intel
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I don't know about laptops, man. I found one with an i7-8550U for 599 € and I don't know if I should pull the trigger or not.
Everything else is garbage. Though this one is garbage too since it's not 1920x1080, but oh well.
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>>68018048
Explained this in a previous thread.

It's AMDrones false-flagging given that intel fanboys are an easy target for ridicule after these embarrassing product launches by Intel.
There aren't really many real intel fans on /g/, and the real fans are too embarrassed to post anything at a time like this, so you have AMDrones posing as incels to get that ridicule directed toward them.
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>>68017335
>buying a rebranded paperlaunched housefire
JUST LMAO
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>>68018033
Its not worth the hassle, I already purchased another cooling system.
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>>68018094
>its a false flag
>Its AMDs fault their are constant intel shills on /g/
What do you faggots not blame on AMD
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>>68018094
>really many real intel fans on /g/
Except for the aspie that keeps spamming "news" and the tripfaggot
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>>68018048
ever notice how AMD shills never leave or stop? Regardless if they are doing good or bad.
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>>68018102
When will American consumerism end?
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Should I get an AIO watercooler or stick with a higher-end air cooler? I'm bouncing back and forth between getting a noctua NH-U9S or a corsair h100i, and I don't know what exactly I should be looking at. I know that watercoolers add the pump as an addition point of failure and usually have to be replaced in 5-ish years, but don't they usually perform a little better to make up for it?
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>>68018127
Ever notice how intelfags always change the subject by using the classic "i know you are but what am i"
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>>68018149
When the JIDF and IIDF fuck off of /g/
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>>68018152
>AIO watercooler
no
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>>68018161
ever notice how the amd fag believes anybody that dares to speak out against them is an intel fag?
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>>68015107
/pcbg/ - Intel Shilling Bunker Thread
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>>68018177
Any chance I could ask for a more detailed reason?
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>>68015107
That's the first pcbuilder general that I actually read into. A bunch of retards trying to build crappy overpriced intel machines to run their shitty games on. Sad.
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>>68018185
You always play this cringy "le based centrist" in a vain attempt to trick newfags or retards into thinking you are impartial in a binary, just off yourself no one buys you gay little act.
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>>68018206
overpriced memes get a d15 instead
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>>68018220
This is a shilling containment general so some autistic sped who got memed into buying a i5 8400 can shill it onto others so he can feel better about his purchase.
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>>68015107
How much of a difference do 140mm fans bring compared to 120mm? Sure there’s CFM, but would it even be a reasonable temperature drop? At least 1-2 C?
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>>68018227
is the d15 significantly better than the u9s? It's plenty more expensive
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>>68018243
140 is better and quieter
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>>68018245
yes its the best aircooler by far
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>>68018223
ever notice when an amd fag can't latch on to his main trope of you must be an intel fag he gets mad and flustered, unable to engage anybody on the any other terms than "my brother amd" or "muh enenmy intel"
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>>68018185
Are you the same faggot shill from /v/ that spreads lies about b-die ram?
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>>68018192
You mean everyone should buy inferior products so there is no monopoly?
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>>68018275
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>>68018265
MUH HORSESHOE THEORY /g/ EDITION
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>>68018245
> is a dual 140mm fan with 6 heat pipes really better than a single 92mm fan with a few heatpipes
Nigga are you real?
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>>68018293
AHAHA it is him someone break the news
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>>68018277
>AMD is inferior
>im not a shill
it takes literally one post for you to change sides, just get a trip already
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>>68018293
>>68018303
NOOOOOO DELID INTEL #1
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>>68018250
Thanks. Have any idea if a fan controller is of good usage or no?
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>>68018319
Bruh look at this housefire, OH NONOJNONONNO
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>>68018295
muh ms paint drawing
oh shit I guess you win the internets now
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>>68018320
a motherboard
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>>68018334
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>>68018296
I asked if it was significantly better in normal use cases. It's 30 dollars more expensive, and one of the more expensive air coolers on the market. I would expect it to be worth its price
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>>68018311
But AMD is inferior for what most people here want (gayming). You are confusing real facts with shilling
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FUCKING JUST $2000 18 core BTFO
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>>68018347
observe the natural cope as the subject is unsure how to proceed when life isn't black and white, us vs them scenario
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>>68018362
What do you even do with that much?
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>>68018353
>(gayming)
Maybe you and the rest of your reddit crew should take this general to /v/ then, nu /g/ faggotry isnt allowed here and will continue to be made fun of for being a manchild.
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>>68018353
/g/ - video games
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>>68018380
>Why yes m'lady i do defend 200 billion dollar trusts on 4chan
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>>68018303
so the other guy was right, it's just a bunch of amd fags false flagging?
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>>68018353
Sound like a bunch of nu/g/ cringe to me, maybe you should fuck off back to where you belong
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>>68018403
This fucker is samefag that accuses dumb intel shills of being some part of a 24 hour shill op from AMD, its just an autistic cope.
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should i get a ryzen 5 2600 + MSI X470 motherboard for $275 on amazon now?

looking to setup a video editing pc and have heard good things about ryzen 5 for price to performance
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>>68018353
Why would you just come on the internet and lie like that?
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How good are noctua fans? I dont give a shit about how they look, I'm doing a minimalist build without a window anyway.
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>>68018383
>>68018389
>>68018404
Looks like more seething amdfags to me.
>OP is exclusively written for gayming purpose
>99% of questions asked are about gayming

No one said you shouldn't buy AMD for work purpose, but for gayming intel is the only choice and proven multiple times :-)
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that feel when it finally starts getting cold so you throw on the winter OCs to heat the room
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>>68017761
The 9700k does seem like the best option for now since it's almost out, doesn't Ryzen need really fast and expensive ram too? I'd rather support AMD but i'm having a hard time pulling the trigger because I just don't trust lazy devs to optimize their games for more cores.
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>>68018453
Very good. Highly recommend them. I also personally like the way they look.
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>>68018414
>somebody posts a anti amd shill picture while pretending to be me responding
>this sends amd fags into a self pleased fit
>point out I didn't post that and that some amd fags are likely false flagging like some other dude pointed out
>rather than admit it, amd fags double down and blame everything on me
I guess you just can't live in a world where you aren't right and everybody else is just wrong. Us against them, after all, right?
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>>68018460
How well does it work though
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>>68018486
runs turbotax okay
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>>68018476
I really dont mind it, they would just stand out alot against the black. Maybe the brown fan blade would look cool through the grill though
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>>68018293
>Still has zero proof of memory being affected on b450
>Still cant prove that https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vQypNQ cant get 4.2 ghz
>Still shilling the 8400 when it costs twice as much as the 2600 outside of america
just end it, you lost
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>>68018492
I meant how well does it heat the room
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If Intelgoys are this ass-blasted now that AMD is almost as good, what will they do when they get surpassed? Mass suicide perhaps?
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>>68018461
1st gen ryzen is very ram dependent. 2nd gen is not as much.
simultaneously, the big problem is that by investing in more intel cores you could just move upmarket in the AMD tree. so unless you're in a very niche scenario where you need the IPC for... streaming or 4k gaming or etc, the ryzen chips will win out at the bottom 90% of the market, up to the 9900k.

not to say the 9700k doesn't have its market, but you can get twice the thread count aka twice the multitask and 20% less performance at the same price.

and for gamers considering an i5 or i7, theyre not bottlenecking their mid tier gpus with ryzen cores, so 9th gen for intel is basically 9900k or bust.
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>>68018525
hahah yes YES! This makes my boy pussy wet just thinking about all those incels offing themselves!
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>>68018525
>what will they do when they get surpassed?
i think you mean surpassed in 10 year old console ports, amd is already better at everything else
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is delidding worth the hassle? I'm not into overclocking, but I do want my cpu to stay as cool as possible
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>>68018539
>not to say the 9700k doesn't have its market
mongoloids
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>>68018522
Very toasty running MonHun 10/10 would aibou again
>>68018547
which CPU? some are far easier to delid
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>>68018555
Why does MonHun get such terrible frame rates
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>>68018550
you could make the case for budget streamers needing the IPC for 1080p encodes or w/e but its a very niche, almost unrealistic niche.

2/3 my current devices are intel and Ryzen has the general market by the throat.
>>68018564
disable volumetric rendering BS.
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>>68018419
bump, i can get the MSI B450-A pro which would make this only $240 with the r5 2600 but it looks like the B450 doesnt have built in wifi
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>>68018555
i7 8700k. It has heat issues stock and I would rather it not have heat issues
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>>68018575
do you have a microcenter? wifi dongle is $20.
>>68018580
if youre not afraid then yes, intels are generally easier to delid than the ryzens. temp drops of 5-10c
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So whats the difference between gayming ram and regular desktop ram that has no heatsink?
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>>68018574
>streaming
>IPC
i don't think you understand cpu encoding do you
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>>68018547
>deliding
how about not buying defective by design hardware
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>>68018541
Have I struck a chord anon?
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>>68018587
long and short is latency. gaming ram has higher speeds and lower cas latency so more performance. but for most people raw quantity of ram is better than muh rgb aesthetics so they dont care to pay premium.
>>68018595
>how many cores does the average game use, I dont think you understand
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>>68018541
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>>68018586
I am very afraid of breaking things though. I'll see if there's someone nearby that can hopefully do the stressful parts. 10c sounds significant enough that I want to get on board
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>>68018604
Streaming != gaming
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>>68018611
dont buy intel then dumbfuck
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>>68018611
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZxmufdBdE8 8600k but same delid process. its not terribly hard, delid tool is like $15
>>68018616
yeah lemme just uhhhhh stream without me playing this game
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>>68018630
>I need my 2% its important, im not an intel shill at all
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>>68018630
>actually helping someone delid
just fuck off back to >>>/v/
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>>68018602
or yes, nothing makes me more happy knowing incels around the world will be commuting mass suicide
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>>68018668
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>>68018651
I have a ryzen chip in my current build and think intel is going to be anally obliterated by zen 2 come spring 2019 but you're just being stubborn. IPC difference is still 10-15%. core scheduling and etc means that purely for top end streaming and purely for top end gaming, while doing both at the same time, 9700k/9900k will win out. Every single other feasible scenario a 2700x chip wins. Both have their strengths and weaknesses, ryzen more than intel, but ignoring that makes you a sheep in the herd.

>>68018659
delidding is a valid learning process, dont hate. worst case scenario he bricks his cpu and switches to zen :^)
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>>68018525
>>68018541
>>68018602
>>68018607
>>68018668
Can false flagging intel fags just fuck off?
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>>68018124
Na he is just autistic and wants (yous). He's actually biggest AMDrone of them all.

>>68018510
>>Still shilling the 8400 when it costs twice as much as the 2600 outside of america
This is the funniest part of that shilling.
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If I post result from a stock R2700x with a 1080ti VS a stock 8086k with a 1080ti with a couple benchmarks, do you think I'll be able to shut up the stupid as fuck war that rages in these threads whenever AMD fags don't get their OP with red team plastered all over with it?

I'm running a 7700k for my current daily driver but I think Zen 2 is gonna fucking obliterate it, but right now I have a 2700x for my sli rig and I've tested it in several games but it doesn't quite match my 7700k, regardless of the gpu setup I use (which, to be fair, was two 1070's in sli and a 1080ti by itself). idk if 3000mhz ram is good enough for the amd fanboys but I doubt I'll pick up anything better regardless.

A cpu bottleneck is a cpu bottleneck, it doesn't matter what side you're on when the game is CPU bound the faster CPU clock-wise is gonna do better.
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>>68018736
tl;dr is intel is btfo by zen+ atm and theyre paying people to say otherwise so 4chan takes the contrarian stance instead of acknowledging it and having a reasonable discussion
just hodl on both chips and wait for zen 2 benches. 9900k a shit.
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>>68018751

honestly I haven't seen a huge reason to upgrade since I got my 7700k, I just wanted to see what the hype was about with the 2700x and unsurprisingly it's not noticeably better in anything but heavily multithreaded workloads.

Everyone says everyone is a shill on this board, I don't even like the memeyness of it all anymore, it's stupid. This isn't a place for amd vs intel discussion anyway, and most people are going to go with whatever suits their needs better anywhere.
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>>68018794
amd is winning the poorfag market which surprisingly correlates to 4chan in general. the price/perf intel cant/wont refuse to match. zen 2 is their arch shrink so itll likely be a significant perf increase, and on same socket as your 2700x. zen 2 vs whatever comes after the 9th gen would be an interesting bench, but q1/q2 of 2019 are tentatively belonging to amd.
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>>68018751
>>68018794

***anywho

also I don't think Zen+ blows Intel's X700k stuff out of the water unless you install every single security update. I do think the security debacle was extremely poorly handled but short of the enterprise space it's largely the same.

>>68018815

I agree.
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Amd shills already shilling for zen2 which is 1 year away. Oh wait it reminds me of something.
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>>68018828
zen2 is 6 months away at most, is an arch shrink and looks very promising due to transistor density and furthermore, IPC gain, which is intel's only current stronghold.

>>68018824
the security updates can be avoided if you aren't running any server software, but intel chips are still 20% more perf for 50% more cost. AMD is slaughtering the marketshare delta this year.
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>>68018706
In Australia the 8400 is $299 (up from $269 last month) while 2600x is $309, going by pccasegear pricing.
Does 8400 still win the value argument for pure gaming?
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>>68018828
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>>68018884
no
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>>68018875

True. I do wish the high-end stuff was cheaper. 500 bucks for a modern 4 or 6 core overlockable cpu is pretty shite.
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Are we going to see ram prices drop anytime soon?

Why not?

Whats causing this?

Why aren't companies producing more?

and why are you such a faggot?
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>>68018875
>6 months
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>>68018902
anon, they have dropped significantly since winter.
They arent producing more because of oligopoly. Make 10 bil and get fined 6 bil, you come out on top.
Im a faggot because I enjoy anime.
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>>68018902

I thought they were slowly dropping, but don't be surprised if they go up a bit again, like they do any time new hardware is announced and everyone upgrades.
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I'm looking for a secondary monitor, 1080p becaues I don't need something bigger for a secondary. What are some good cheaper ones that have decent color?
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>>68018910
Mad intelfaggot
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>>68018510
>>68018706
In Argentina
>8400 cost 9.500$
>2600 cost 13.319$ (amd store)
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>>68015513
>Depends on where you are, in euro land for isntance the difference can easily be 100-150euros.
German anon here, this isn't true at all. Cheapest 2x8GB 2666MHz Kit is 120€, cheapest 2x8GB 3200MHz Kit is 135€. That's a whopping 15€ difference.
On the other hand, current prices for Intel-CPUs in Europe are insane (290€ for i5-8400, R5 2600 is 160€ in Germany), so buying Intel is a giant waste of money.
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>>68019563
No one cares goblino
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>>68019611
Shut up and buy Intel unterscheisse.
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>>68018902
Apple. They've nothing but a burden these last few years, it amazes me that people are still buying their overpriced garbage.
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>>68019646
>t.ayymd butthurt fag
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Vega 56 or RX 580 for 1080p 144hz?
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>>68018884
No. 2600X is better than the 8400.

>>68019611
Is that 2x8Gb 2666 kit @ 1.2v or 1.35v...? I'd assume 1.2v which means you can overclock it to 3000 CL15 fine.

>>68018902
They have dropped a lot.
You can do a 1440p build including monitor for around $1250.
RAM costs like $50 more what it should for 2x8Gb. That's not very much. So you're paying $1250 instead of $1200. Everything else is pretty normal prices except Intel CPUs.
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>>68019713
What games? What quality?
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>>68019713
Depends on games dude.
If RX580 runs the games you want at 1080p at the framerates you want, then obviously it.
If not, then obviously Vega56.
That's not even a question.
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>>68019713
Vega 56.
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I bought a eGPU + GTX 1060 6GB box for my notebook and there is nothing you can do about it, desktopfags.

It has a i5 8300h and 8GB RAM with thunderbolt 3 so I should be able to play some vidya when I'm home now.
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>>68019718
Can costs 3 times what it should.
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>>68019745
Keep us updated on your temps when you game.
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>>68019718
sir please do the needful
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>>68019729
>>68019731
Mostly non-console port AAA trash, but I'd say the most taxing games I enjoy playing would be Total War titles, Witcher, and GTA V
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>>68019766
Vega then. But if you want 144fps you are going to need a 1080ti/2080.
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>>68019706
>t. nonwhite el goblino SOPA
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>>68019771
>nvidia trash
No thanks. I dont even care if their products have an edge, their business practices are so Jewish that I cant stomach giving them one red cent
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>>68019780
>t. pajeet aryan pride pol poster
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>>68019646
kek
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>>68019766
If you want to play at max settings or near-max settings, I think RX580 tends to do around 70-80fps in GTAV, Witcher and Total War shit.
So yeah Vega56.
Monitor is Freesync right? Because IIRC GTAV is capped at 100 or 120fps.
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>>68018245
Why were you looking at the U9S anyways? If your case fit's a bigger cooler, there's no reason to get a super small one.
The Thermalright True Spirit 140 Power and the Noctua NH-U14S are good, cheaper alternatives to the NH-D15 if you care about RAM compatibility, and they are plenty enough for any current CPU even with overclocking.

>>68018453
They're pretty good, though other good fans exist.

>>68019718
1.2V, but you can get 2x8GB 3000 CL16 for the same price, so it's pretty pointless.
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I just got a 1050 ti, what are some good games for it?
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>>68019822
More like 50-70 for the rx580.
Anyway refresh soon, so hold on for a RX.

We can hope for 60-75 then.
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>>68019855
>1050 ti

Why would you do this to yourself?
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>>68019886
I didnt really have any other choice
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>>68019822
Yes Freesync, and graphics at pretty high is fine too, I'm not an ultra-only autist desu
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>>68019855
my 1050ti can run pretty much anything at 1080p medium-high settings 60FPS
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whats the best ssd right now? is it still the mx500? i do photography work and my darling m4 died on me after 6 years, looking to get something more reliable. the 860 evo has much higher tbw than the crucial, but i dont really have any knowledge about the nands beyond what is advertised. can the manufacturer claims be believed?
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>>68019938
What games do you play?
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>>68019953
It hasn't been properly timeproof'd yet but reviews are good. I personally own a couple and would recommend.
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>>68019957
BF1, FO4, FO3, DS3, Witcher 3, Skyrim, WoW and CiV5
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>>68019957
also if look for benchmarks on you tube: [game name] 1050ti + [CPU]
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>>68019953
860 Evo and MX500 are very similar, just get what's cheaper
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>>68019886
w-whats wrong with the 1050 ti?
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>>68020069
It's too cute for manly men.
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>>68020069
Nothing, if you can get it for a good price i.e. significantly cheaper than RX 570 or GTX 1060.
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>>68020085
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>>68018884
Now price the 2600 through PCCG.
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>>68019793
> le pol boogyman
spic
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>>68015107
>that lisa su
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>boogy
woogy
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>>68020284
I don’t want a 2600, I’d rather have out of the box simplicity, so it’s either going to be 2600x or 8400
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>>68018884
>>68020284
2600 is $235, so probably best choice for value
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>>68019843
I was looking at the u9s mostly because it is less expensive than most other noctua products, honestly. I've checked their online compatibility tool and it seems like a D15 will work perfectly fine with my motherboard and not obstruct any ram slots, so I should probably just pony up the extra 30 bucks and get that
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So, anon, I need some affirmation. Building a gaming PC after not having one for like 6 years. The main purpose is to play DMC5.
Afterwards, it'll be used to catch up on the games I've missed (DOOM, Witcher 3, etc.) and will probably ultimately end up working as my workstation for my personal dev projects if I stop being a lazy ass.
I've grown tired of the 8700K vs 2700X debate with shills going full retard on this one while 9700K being questionable as fuck so I decided just to bite the bullet and eliminate the choice difficulty by shelling out for a higher tier CPU altogether.
The idea is to build a PC that'll last for a long time on its own and that can be kept relevant relatively easily by throwing more money at it (for example, getting another 1080ti later).
Pic related is the build. Characters limit, sorry about that. How does it look like? It's that good in terms of price/performance, but it looks to me it's at the spot when any performance increase will make the price grow exponentially yet produce marginal improvements.

I'll be getting it part by part November through February, wonder if I'll be able to save some money on discounts. Any idea when (if ever) those might happen? Black Friday, Cyber Monday, Christmas, New Year?
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>>68020363
The 2600x is worth that price, isn't it?
The 2600 should be $180.
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>>68019870
pretty certain even on Witcher and the new TW, RX580 will do 60fps fine on "very high" instead of "max".
Yeah I know some games perform absolutely retardedly bad when on max settings without looking any better, which is why I put that near-max caveat in.

>>68020069
Probably the fact that it's impossible to find a 1050Ti for a good price unless it's used.
For $150 you can get a 1050Ti and play games on Medium. For $180 you can get an RX570 or RX580 4Gb and play games on maxed or close to it. Small difference in price but massive difference in performance.

>>68020356
That's fair. I agree there and would get the 2600X myself. Just turn PBO on and it's well worth it compared to that overprice 8400.

>>68020426
If you want to be objective, it's worth maybe 15% more for the better cooler, and that you can BCLK OC it higher.
Subjectively, it's hard to put a price on the simplicity of just enabling PBO for 3ghz+ all core clocks and for it to more aggressively keep boost at 3.25GHz for 2 cores without having to worry about instability from a manual OC.
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>>68020405
Looks like you looked at everything that was the most expensive and decided to buy it.
It's the kind of build you shouldn't make now. Especially with the prices of CPUs and RAM you want. You won't save anything unless you wait several months for:
- RTX series to come fully hoping 1080s will go down
- Intel to stop being such a massive Jew and have a normal production
- RAM to stop being artificially inflated

Seriously with the money you are willing to spend with that meme build economy surely isn't your first concern.
As for your build
> Gigabyte mobos are shit
> The AMP! Is a vRAM housefire
> SLI
> headphone is shit
There's a general for that last one.
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>>68020565
>everything that was the most expensive
That's not even remotely close to the "most expensive".
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>>68020529
I’ve accepted I can’t afford a 144Hz build, but if the 2600x (or 8400) can comfortably shit out 60-75Hz for the next few years of gaming I’ll be happy
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>The cheapest 4 core Coffee Lake CPU costs $188 at the moment.
Even I can't defend the shitty OP.

t. Intel goy since Sandy Bridge
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>>68017147
>>68017229
>>68017449
Definitely get either ltsb, or something like enterprise if you can, don't use home or pro because you have 0 control over your own machineor example it comes with some games like candy crush that's impossible to uninstall, if you remove it from your start menu it gets added back on each update. The things missing from ltsb is shit you'll never use, or can install afterwards anyway. If you don't want to use a activator that may be filled with viruses you can buy a code for ltsb on eBay for $10, lots of people are happy with it but some say that they only for for a year or so then get deactivated, but $10 a year is still cheap compared to fucking $200 for pro.
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>>68020592
For gaymen? Yes it is.
> CPU
> GPU
> RAM
> NVMeme
That's the most expensive you will get. Unless you go for a threadripper, the RTX that's not necessary, a bigger ssd.
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does anyone know a good chipset for running 4 gpu's? preferably amd
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>>68020639
Out of curiosity, why do you need 4 gpus for?
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>>68020652
redshift
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>>68020426
I was just looking on pccasegear since that australian anon was looking there, I don't really know about australian prices

>>68020405
SLI sucks and doesn't even work in a lot of games, so just get a 650W PSU and upgrade your GPU in a couple years.
You could get a higher capacity SATA SSD instead of the NVME SSD, the difference in performance is irrelevant for most workloads, gaming included.
Also could save some money on RAM and MoBo, you don't need that expensive components there, only get them if you want to overclock and don't care about spending a lot more for a miniscule performance increase.
But that RAM has high heatspreaders and is likely incompatible with the NH-D15, you'll either have to mount the second fan on the back and take a small performance hit, get different RAM or get an NH-U14S.

>>68020565
>> Gigabyte mobos are shit
Just because they do have some shitty mobos doesn't mean all of them are shit, retard

>>68020639
X399
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>>68020639
X399, X299, X99.
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If I were to look at getting an h100i cooler, would that mean the cpu cooler that comes with the 2600 wouldn’t get used?
If that’s the case, I might lean away from 2600x
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My computer has started to randomly turn off and then won't turn back on until I leave it off for a few minutes. Then it turns on fine. I'm not sure if it's happening because I'm running MPC-HC with madvr and all that or if it's doing it randomly. This is a PSU problem right? Current one is almost 3 years old and is a SeaSonic M12II 850W. What's an upgrade or sidegrade to this? I can't see the same model sold anywhere near me so I guess it got replaced. Here's my parts list in case it matters. Also is there any way to find out what the exact problem is without replacing parts?
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>>68020753
iirc you can buy a zen+ chip without a cooler
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>>68020784

find an 850w psu at a similar price, it will probably be 1 or 2 tiers better than your old one

alternately, ditch it and get a 600w, you don't need more than that anyways
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>>68020621
>CPU
CPU is a 40% cost increase compared to 8700K and 9700K and a 70% compared to Ryzen 7 which already worse than 8700K in gayming.
>GPU
1080ti can easily go up to 50% higher. Also, while its price/performance is far from being great, it boasts a considerable performance increase over 1080 and below - enough to warrant the price increase.
Above - only 2080ti translates to a direct performance increase, but its price starts at 200% of 1080ti.
>RAM
2666 is half of the price. The difference for the whole build price is marginal, might as well pick something that's more future-proof, given it still translates to slight framerate increases in gaming, and is actually useful for a workstation. If you're talking about 8Gb meme - it isn't enough for my PC. My working laptop had 8Gb by default, but I had to sacrifice the dual channel and increase it up to 20Gb because 8 is literally unusable.
>NVMeme
The price difference between NVMe and a regular SSD is marginal (especially for the whole build) while the difference in performance is huge. 1TB SATA SSD will cost about as much, but I won't be using 1TB of actual programs. For the storage purposes, I can buy a separate HDD later.
>>68020669
Most of those choices are made with the purpose of somewhat future-proofing the build and increasing its potential as a workstation.
I/O performance used to bottleneck the projects I've worked on quite often, so that's the main idea behind the NVMe. Plus some nice-to-haves like faster writing.
I don't intend to OC right off the bat, but I do want to have that potential, so I can push the stable framerate to a higher level when possible (up to 60/100/120/144).
The same idea is for SLI. I won't be buying a new card anytime soon, but in a year or two, it's highly likely to be a cheaper alternative to 2080ti.
Amusingly enough, there's little price difference between 1000w and everything lower.
Thanks for the heads-up regarding the fan, anon - I'll look into that.
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Is ryzen generally more power hungry than intel? Does it translate to a noticeable difference in power bills?
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>>68020808
I've been looking through a lot of units. Is there a bad or good brand I should go for? They all seem the same aside from price and specs obviously.
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>>68020405
>Japan
I'm sorry
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For new RAM (DDR3), I should look for something with the lowest CAS latency, correct? What I see on PCPartsPicker is only one type has CAS 8, one other type has CAS 9, and the rest have CAS 10 or 11.
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>>68020980
Like $15 a year.
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>>68021020
Can't go wrong with be Quiet! and Seasonic. be Quiet! Pure Power and Seasonic Focus+ are especially good.
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>>68020980
Not really. It's all pretty much the same unless you go Threadripper.
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Does anyone use the stock cooler that comes with the ryzen?
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>>68020980
>>68021115
No, Ryzen is more power efficient than Intel CPUs across the board. perf/watt is double in some cases.
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>>68021464
Apparently is very good, I'm also looking for an answer to this.
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>>68021464
>>68021508
I believe AMD box coolers were always decent
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>>68021541
>>68021508
Kek,
>ayymd is so shit you don't even need a cpu cooler
But sure, pretend that's a good thing.
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>>68021570
Had you ever been serious in your entire life?
No wonder is such a mess.
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>tfw spend hours on /pcbg/ and configuring computers I'll never buy on pcpp
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