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Ergodox and Anti-/k/ edition

We also kindly encourage you to make fun of abs buyers

>Buyer's template:
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>Where to Buy:
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>FAQs:
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>Use the buyer's template
http://pastebin.com/33S1gVkG
>Group Buys
Deskthority, Geekhack, Massdrop
>Keyboard wiki
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Main_Page
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>>68415046
What is your Top 3 keycap profile?

1.Cherry
2.SA
3.XDA
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>>68415161
MT3 > *.
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FFR97LS/ref=twister_B07G458NG2?_encoding=UTF8&th=1#

need a white backlit keyboard, what do you guys think of link related
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>>68415161
1) KT
2) Cherry
3) SS2
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>>68415313
Looks like someone took an old Ducky keyboard and increased the price. I'd say get a Ducky One 2 instead since they cost less and are better in every single way
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Got my printer, now time to actually get it working and then dactyl here I come
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>Budget
nothing above $200
>Location (continent at least)
US
>Preferred switch type
Cherry MX Blues
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
either 100% or 80
>Backlight
Doesn't particularly matter to me
>Previous/current keyboards
Ducky One (Cherry MX Reds)

Current MK has ABS keycaps so would want something with PBT caps. Media control keys (or at least volume up and down keys) are preferable as well. Any suggestions?
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>>68415671
>Cherry MX Blues
...
Leopold. 100% no question
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>>68415671
The other anon is right, but if you want dedicated media control keys then get another Ducky keyboard
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What's one of the best keyboard deals you've found?

As in quality to price ratio.
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>>68416427
Does used count? Cause I found a bunch of model Fs for free.
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>>68416438
I would say so. Also, lucky you.
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>>68416427
I'm still very satisfied with that BTC dome board I got for 5 bucks off eBay. Easily one of my favorite tactile boards.
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>>68416427
Got my beamspring for $20 at a lab surplus sale at a university a couple years back. This was when they were still only like $300 on ebay, but still the best deal I ever got. I've got stranger and rarer things that I like better and have paid more for but nothing is as valued as that thing.
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Anyone know of any other media keycap sets like this? Preferably backlit. I don't want to spend $15 for just the six I'll be using when I could get a full 108 keycap set for $20.
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Redpill me on the ergodox. Is it best to DIY or buy prebuilt? Best layout for programming? I often find my pinky gets stressed from reaching for brackets and quotes and + - signs, seems it'd be nice to move those onto the thumb buttons.
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>>68415046
which part of the box is self-lubed? is it the side button?

how different are hako true/clear vs hako royal ?
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>>68415671
>>68415671
>mx blue

anon get pale blues
buy chink keeb
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>>68416741
>willing buying chink shit
never, i refuse to buy chink shit on principle.
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>>68416671
People tend to either like that or dactyl / dactylmanuform. I'm probably gonna end up building both but the ergodoc seems like a very smooth transition from tradition keyboards. Just make sure you know how to flash the firmware.
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>>68416757
>buying a chink keeb anyways
>buying the cheapest out of date possible.
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>>68416786
>being this braindead
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>>68416796
your keyboard is gonna have made in china parts fag.
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>>68416817
Not him, but mine doesn't
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>>68416709
>how different are hako true/clear vs hako royal ?
Quite a bit
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>>68416817
Actually mine was made in Korea
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Brown is good
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>>68417381
(You)
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>>68416635

i want a cute media keyboard with just those keys
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>>68415046
I’m working on designing a reduced ergodox + integrated mouse. Takes a few things from Redox and backports them. Oh yeah and it’s cheap as fuck and uses SMD shit everywhere.

What kind of shit do you guys want to see in a board?
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Are those Filco keyboard a good deal?
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>>68417799
No. Get a leopold, ducky, or varmilo for less.
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>>68417791
This fits in a 1u key. Let me rephrase that, this fits inside the reduced sized top of a keycap.
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I’m going to have to get stencils and shit for this thing. Look at the size of those pads!
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I unironically enjoy BOX Pale Blue switches. How fucked am I?
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>>68417870
>not box navy
Still better than most other readily available clicky switches.
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>>68417879
>navy
Too heavy senpai, they feel like bricks
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>>68417883
Pale blue is already a heavy switch though, Surely it's not that big of a jump?
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>>68417890
I've been testing them on a clicky switch tester and Pale Blue only feel like they're slightly heavier than standard blues (BOX White, Gateron and Cherry), whereas Navy feel much heavier. I try to push them with my pinky finger, which is the weakest one, and I can push Pale Blue quite easily compared to Navy. Also don't Pale Blue have a shorter travel tot he actuation point? Or at least it feels like this to me
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Opinions on the Filco Majestouch Convertible 2?

I'm looking for a wireless keyboard with long battery life... everything else is secondary. This one claims to have months-long battery life. Are there any downsides?

>>68417343
>That's the thing, you can't. There is literally nothing out there that is good, just mediocre garbage.
If that's true, what's wrong with this keyboard?
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>>68417925
It should be quite close, but if you go by haata's graphs the pale blue has a longer actuation distance.
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>>68416561
>I'm still very satisfied with that BTC dome board I got for 5 bucks off eBay. Easily one of my favorite tactile boards.
still for sale? lol
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>>68417890
the thicker clickbar adds like 20g to the tactile peak, that's a big difference
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>>68417952
I'm honestly surprised, Pale Blues' actuation point seems quite a bit closer to the top to me...anyways I still need to test them out. My favourites so far are BOX White, Gateron Blues (these ones have impressed me much more than I have expected), Speed Gold and BOX Pale Blue.
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Budget: $60 or lower
Specs: Whatever I can get with Cherry MX Browns or Blues or similar
Recommendations?
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>>68417986
>speed gold
Pardon, Speed Bronze.
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I literally just need a good keyboard and mouse combo for work and I can't find anything. It's for a second workstation which compliments my main workstation; I'll only be using it probably 1-3 hours out of the workday. Talk me out of just buying this:

https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-Keyboard-Windows-Portable/dp/B07886CMRV

I'm buying it literally because they're cheap and have good aesthetics. All of the alternatives seem like pure shit,
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>>68418214
Get a K120 and a cheap wireless mouse like a M175.
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Not gonna happen buddy.
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I'm an adult!
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>>68418792
shit taste in keyboards
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>>68418944
>my posts is funny
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>>68418956
there'snothing funny about that reddit keyboard
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>Budget
$270, or around $200 freedom bucks.
>Location
Canada.
>Preferred switch type
Anything that isn't linear or high resistance.
>Layout
Preferably ANSI.
>Form factor
As compact as reason permits, 60% is ideal.
>Backlight
Highly preferred.
>Previous/current keyboards
Bloody B720. Not a huge fan of it.

Arrow keys are a must, multimedia controls are a bonus. I prefer darker colors and dislike excessive RGB lighting.
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>>68418993
Get an aluminum tada68 from kbdfans. If you want to take it the extra mile then get the DIY kit and lube all the switches & stabilizers.
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Can anyone tell me if any other switches got the feedback I'm looking for?
I bought switch testers, one cherrry and one gateron (that also has zealios violet and purple on it).
I like mx clear the best, gateron doesn't have an equivalent and I bottom out easier on zealios.
What I'm looking for is a switch that has less resistance up to the actuation point, a somewhere distinct tactile bump there and then get noticeable more resistance after that.
Zealios' bump requires too much force compared to the resistance after it, making me bottom out immediately after getting past the bump. With mx clear I stop only a small distant after bump. Though it probably also helps that the mx clear has a less strong bump compared to zealios.
What switches got comparable behavior (or better) to mx clear? Or should I just take advantage of the fact that I can find prebuilds with the switch I like best?
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Redpill me on Topre
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>>68419160
Hako royal clear/true have the same idea of a softer top/higher bottom out as mx clears. The bump is larger & higher up in the force curve. Worth a try at least. Otherwise just lube mx clears and be happy with that.
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Do mechanical keyboards get black friday deals or only the shitty gamer ones?
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>>68419174
they are the Apple of switches
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>>68419237
no that's Apple butterfly switches
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>>68419237
Post your switches
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>>68417730
So make one.
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>>68415161
1, Cherry
2. DSA
3. MT3
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>>68415161
Why does my cherry keycaps feel like garbage on my vintage blacks? Should I move to a higher profile keycap?
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>>68419319
Maybe it's not the keycap profile that's the issue.
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>>68418372
>K120
it's hideous and I bet it's really bad to type on. I already have a bunch of really shitty rubber domes laying around, most of them hoenstly make my hands hurt after a few hours
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>>68419246
no they are garbage that gets overrated because it's overpriced
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>>68419368
Yeah that's Apple butterfly switches
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Get a real hobby
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>>68419389
Like what?
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>>68419392
speakers
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>>68419389
Is masturbation a real hobby?
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>tfw you get sick of high profile cases so you optimize for height
>I can't fucking wait to get some low profile switches on this thing
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>>68419406
Yes if you buy stuff related to it
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>>68419411
Using choc minis then? 'Cause they have a different pinout to standard mx switches.
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>>68419357
By your logic Topre is shit. The K120 is the holy grail of cheap membrane rubber done boards.
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>>68419412
Oh sure, lube, buttplugs, masturbators
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anyone /tv/ here?
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>>68419442
>By your logic Topre is shit
...why?

> The K120 is the holy grail of cheap membrane rubber done boards
that's fine but I'm just saying I don't really need another $5 wired keyboard, unless it's really a huge upgrade over my existing shitter which is literally hurting my hands it's so awful to type on, mushy and hard to press and just generally shitty

I wish there were more wireless mechanical options
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>>68419450
>so then I arbitrarily removed some keys to make it less functional
>Wow! and only $450!
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>>68419450
good day fellow adult!
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>>68419450
More interested in trying this out if only for the KAM profile.
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>>68419445
Get a VR headset and one of those 2k$ real life dolls
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>>68419419
I didn't even know about those. Looks like I might be fucking around with some footprints goddddddamn
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Keyboard design peaked with the AEK, prove me wrong
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>>68419478
Do I look rich to you?
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>>68419459
Why the fuck does it need to be wireless tho? You are paying 20+ dollar premium for something you use for 2 houts a day
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>>68417963
No. It was a batch of new old stock stuff on ebay months ago. He was out by the time I got mime shipped.

You can find BTC domes on eBay pretty commonly, though. Just keep a look out.
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>>68419477
Damn, that is gorgeous. I'm now following that thread.

>>68419450
Looks like the literal trash in the movie. The legends are also uninspired.
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>>68419505
>Why the fuck does it need to be wireless tho? You are paying 20+ dollar premium for something you use for 2 houts a day
because it looks better at my desk and reduces clutter?
>$30+ dollar premium
idk man it's rechargeable and the aesthetics are nice, i'm not saying you're wrong, just saying it's pretty much the only thing available

I'd honestly buy a nicer mechanical kb if something existed, but it doesn't.

Also most of the logitech wireless mice are hideous as well, I do like the MX Master 2 but I don't want to drop $70 on a backup mouse lol
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Guys? I am not baiting here, but is the Logitech G413 any good?
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Should I go for a Ducky One TKL (red cherry switch) or Cooler Master MasterKeys TKL Pro S (red cherry switch) ?
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>>68419732
anons here don't like the ROMER-G TACTILE switches
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>>68419797

I see, so it's more a thing of the buttons and this seems relevant. Is there something similar/comparable to the minimalistic G413 in the world of mechanical keyboards out there?
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>>68419822
Yeh, even more so
Get an xd75 gey
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>>68419419
>>68419479
Don't get your hopes up, it's impossible to buy that switch.
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>>68419411
I optimize for height too.
A keyboard I'm currently building will be super low
it will look like this:
kailh low profile choc switch
1.3mm mounting plate
4mm middle spacing for the bottom of the switch an wiring
1mm bottom plate

You can't go much lower.
You can have the middle space 0.2mm shorter but then the switch will literally short out on the bottom plate, unless it's not metal
You could miss the bottom plate, cutting an additional 1mm, but then there would be nothing on the bottom.
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>>68417370
can you ensure all components and assembly did not partake in china land? Do you have certificates of authentication on all processes.
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>>68415046
https://shop.keyboard.io/

I want one of these but that would cost me more than 3 months of my entire salary.

I am poorfag on a poorfag country.
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>>68419491
Yes
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>>68420276
Thats the gayest split keeb ever, just get one of the acrylic and pcb kits
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Thinking about getting one of these bad boys, unless anyone can suggest other tracknib keyboards.
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>>68420139
That's what I mean't height. Currently using a ErgoDox caseless, with some little furniture nubbys on the board, PCB mount switches and low profile DSA keys.But I might need to run some a lower profile version of this board for mounting chocs and similar. There aren't Cherry SMD mountable is there?

>>68420276
Just handwire it and use gateron chink shit. That's the other half of why I'm making this board, there is no good reason to use a 20$ controller when you can get the ATMega32u4 for 1.50$. This board is going to be cheap as all fuck, the cost is SMD soldering.

Here's the real question. How the fuck do we do the silks up. I need some g-tier shit to plaster on this thing.
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>>68420357
You can get the unicomp model m2 with trackpoint
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>>68420357
OWO Whats this called i want it
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>>68420357
If you don't mind grinding out some keys, you can just slot a package in. I'm replacing the right-side 1u with this mounted through a cap. The breakout is over here >>68417852
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>>68420367
Yeah, but you can't even get black keys to go with that buckling spring anymore. Kinda looks like shit with light keys i m o
>>68420377
Tex Kodachi
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=4260
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>>68420395
they sell keys separate afaik but idk about the ones with the trackpoint hole
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>>68420395
Its like the thinkpad usb keeb but mech... also even more expensive
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>>68419712
>doesn't want a cheap and reliable K120 because muh aesthetic and RSI allegedly
>prefers a much shittier feeling Anker combo
Get a Mac kb then, fag.
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>>68420412
They don't sell black keysets at all. You'd have to track down an old m13 for that.
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>>68420447
At that point you might as well have the m13 lmao
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>>68420473
Pretty much.
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>>68420477
Thats unfortunate
The keeb you posted is very sexy but i cant afford it and its a shame you cant get the bare pcb / hotswap
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Friendly reminder that you will love MX clear in it's stock form if you can stop yourself from bottoming them out. The way the spring works it brings the key back up seemingly very fast. Since training myself to not bottom them out unintentionally by using topre I've grown to love them.
Can type noticeably faster on them than topre even if they don't feel quite as nice.
They're not the best choice for gayman though your fingers are going to get tired because it's way harder to not bottom out while playing a game.
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>>68420519
Gateron clear 35g master race. You will bottom out sometimes, get some orings for landing!
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>>68417791

A not reduced version.

Everyone makes a shitty reduced ergodox version.

The ergodox stock layout is the best, and it really needs an updated PCB revision.
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v2 zealios haven't been released yet right
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>>68417843
OwO what's this for
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>>68420623
Fun fact, the layout is extremely obtuse to work on. The PCB is reversible which leads to a billion problems with routing the fuckin' thing, and makes ERC entirely useless. It's terrible, I lost 4 hours of my life yesterday trying to work with it before saying fuck it and going with two different halves. Broke out everything from the original ErgoDox and went from there.

What would you like to see in v2?
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>>68415161
>SA
SA is a hipster abomination. eat shit and die, reddit
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Is it normal to take some time to adjust to heavier springs? I just made a board with 68g vintage blacks and it felt a bit mushy to me. I thought I overlubed the switches so I swapped some with cherry red springs and they felt like buttery smooth reds so I don't think the lubing is the problem. I've used cherry and box reds for about three years.
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>>68420613
>sometimes
You mean you slam into the plate at full force every single time even when idly resting your fingers.
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>>68420642
No
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>>68420776
Weird, I can actually rest my fingers on em. But yeah, took a while to get used to the lightness of it, feels like a workout now typing on anything else.
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>>68420831
I didn't mean to shit on them like that, it's of course all subjective. I am interested in various linear weightings even going down to 35g because one of my games is exceedingly spamming(I need to hold w and shift and spam control and E) and already have boards I love for typing.
Gateron yellow is also interesting.
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>>68420856
What makes it usable is the travel distance. There's enough time to stop before the bottom out (or hit it gently enough to be negligible). I'm half debating a microswitch keyboard due to those low travels and super light presses.
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what is the heaviest clacky 40% on the market today? i can't type on normal ones without them moving from the force of my fingers.
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>>68420780
tfw wei said he'd only get them after running out of v1s and he has like a thousand 10 packs of those still
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>>68420897
Those are actually appealing to me as well. I think outside of clears(that strong push back on the switch makes a big difference) I can type fastest on my Dell laptop's scissor switch keyboard which has almost no travel. Most accurately with that one as well.
I have topre and clears for typing though so I'm hesitant to buy yet another typing board just for shit posting.
The clicky version of the kailh low profile switch has to be tactile as shit for something with such little travel just by virtue of it's design.
For me right now I'm looking to either sell my prebuilts(aside from the topres) or buy soldering tools so I can put custom switches in with the goal of using "high end" linears. Whatever the best linear stem is, outemu low tolerance(reduced wobble) top case, cherry bottom case, good springs and a shit load of lube.
This typing video really made me want to get good linears https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TBafM5VW54
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>>68417948
It's a BT keyboard so you have to accept that it will randomly stop working, that and it's a Filco so it's overpriced and comes with the worst keycaps you can get
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>>68419197
MK.com has plenty of deals
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>>68419735
Ducky has better build quality, but no software support. Cooler master's software is actually pretty nice
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>>68420986
Go with the soldering tools, modifying keyboards is fun as hell! A el-cheapo iron can be bought for 20$, a spool of solder will last you a few years at minimum and don't forget the desoldering braid!

I'm shitting my pants over dealing with TQFP sized leads on some of my custom PCBs, but I got all the SMD gear and a good flux so here's hoping :D

(Unpopular opionion, I fucking love laptop keyboards. Esp the old MBP keyboard)
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>>68420964
BOX Jade, BOX Navy and maybe some gorilla Greens I'm ignoring right now...
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>>68421159
I was too vague. The end result is the same soldering tools or not. It's either sell my prebuilts to fund a full custom mech or just buy soldering tools to turn my prebuilts into custom mechs.
The main and only real appeal of a custom is hybrid switches and lube to me.
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Hey, /g/ mind giving me suggestions for a keyboard.

>Budget
$150 USD
>Location
South-East Asia
>Preferred switch type
Linear switch preferred, I like cherry MX blacks; have never tried Red though. How are those?
>Layout
ANSI
>Form Factor
100%
>BackLight
HELL NO.
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>>68422790
Nigga, you got access to Republic of China and Fake Commie China, the mecca of keebs.

Reds are superlight.

I wood try getting a optical switch like the bloody and wooting keyboards.
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>>68417870
totally fucked, but in the opposite direction
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Anyone know what to do with old keebs?

I have endgame keyboards now but I got a ton of left over chink keyboards I used when I got into the hobby.
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>>68420672
That's for the roller ball! Things QMK compat and has a mouse on a 1u key!
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Posting my keeb again because i love typing on it so much

protip: pmk pbt are worth the price
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>>68422862
Which means?
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Alright lads, is there a step-by-step tutorial on getting a dactyl keyboard together? I'm starting to have consistent tension and pain in my right pinky and ring fingers and I think a more ergonomic setup will help with that. So I wanna setup a dactyl with colemak. What parts do I need, and how much is the whole thing going to cost?
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>Budget
€ 300
>Location (continent at least)
Italy, Europe
>Preferred switch type
I'm typing on Cherry Blues now, but I'm interested into Gateron Blues, BOX White and BOX Pale Blue. I really can't decide. Pale Blues are quite different from the other two, since they're a bit heavier and they have slighlty shorter travel to the actuation point, but I wouldn't mind trying a heavier switch since I find myself bottoming out quite often on Cherry Blues.
>Layout
ANSI, US (I use international layout)
>Form factor
60%
>Backlight
no
>Previous/current keyboards
Cooler Master CM Storm Quickfire XT.

The pre-built keyboards I can think about now are the following ones:
- KPB Paradise (Gateron, BOX White and Pale Blue) around $144
- Anne Pro 2 (Gateron, BOX White) around €100

Is there any keyboard I'm missing or that I haven't considered?
Is a DIY keyboard my only solution?

Please help me senpai-tachi
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>>68423977
GMMK and get pale blues. Out of all the box clickbar switches those are my favorites. Navies and Jadies aren't as smooth
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>>68424015
I agree, I've been testing clicky switches on a tester for some days and I find both Navy and Jade too heavy and resistant for my fingers.

>GMMK
Can you recommend any site should I buy this from? Also don't all of their keyboards have backlight?
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>>68424015
>>68424078
oh and one more thing: GMMK are tenkeyless, I want 60%
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>>68424096
DZ60
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>>68424114
I don't want to solder
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>>68423794
First, go to a doctor if you think it's serious. Afterwards just go to the dactyl-manuform thread on geekhack and read it. tl;dr - two pro micros, diodes, switches, wires, trrs (or whatever other connector you want to use between halves), and the case itself. If you don't have a 3D printer you could have someone print the case for you for about $30-40 per half.
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>>68424125
https://kbdfans.cn/products/gk64-rgb-60-64keys-hot-swap-pcb
Or you can get a V60 if you want a prebuilt
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>>68424078
>Also don't all of their keyboards have backlight?
You can dim it and turn it off. Hard to see the legends on the stock keycaps with it off, though.
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>>68423977
https://kbdfans.cn/products/fully-assembled-tofu-60-keyboard
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>>68415046
You wouldn't download a keyboard.
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So did kbdfans ever come out with their xd75 knockoff that they made a run of on massdrop a few months ago?
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>>68424226
Thank you. Does its software work on Linux too? This may be important to me in the future. Also can I fully program each key with this software?
>V60
Well yeah, it was already one of the keyboards I had considered...what do you think about the Dolch version? are the keycaps good too?

>>68424229
ok but they don't have a 60% version, so I'm not interested into it anymore

>>68424234
Wow this is actually a very good compromise! Thank you for pointing me to it. What's the build quality of the case? What kinds of keycaps should I get for this keyboard? I'm really curious to hear some opinions about this!
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wha t are soime cool keycaps .??
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>>68420519
Clears are heavy enough coming from goddamn reds that I didn't need to train myself. That clears aren't more common is a sin. Fuck browns.
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>>68424330
The keycaps are garbage so prepare to replace them after they wear out in 6 months
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>>68424384
good thank you for telling me. So far I think that >>68424234's option is the best, but I'd like to have some more feedbacks on it
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>>68424330
just search r/mk for some tofu reviews
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>>68424417
ok thank you
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>>68424431
It a case anon, how much of retard you gotta to be to fuck a CNC block of aluminium.
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>>68424442
I don't know, I was just asking for reassurance.

Btw do you think that these caps here:
https://kbdfans.cn/collections/cherry-profile/products/cherry-profile-pbt-dye-sub-keycaps
could be installed on the layout number 2 here:https://kbdfans.cn/products/fully-assembled-tofu-60-keyboard?variant=18008590221370 ?
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>>68422839
>I would try getting a optical switch like the bloody and wooting keyboards.

Optical Switches? What are those? Any links about these?
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>>68424486
The wiki has a couple links
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>>68424486
I think razor has those now, why ever happened to half effect switches?


Does anyone know the difference between these to provider when it come to keycaps if they the same set?
KPrepublic vs kbfans dolch keycaps?
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>>68424458
layout 2 is the most standard layout there is so I'm sure it'll be fine
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>>68425193
Thank you very much. Is there any way to know whether a set of keycaps can fit into a specific layout?

Also what do you think about the keycaps set I put in the previous comment?
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>>68423320
how are you liking the what I assume are dsa profile keycaps? thinking about throwing some flat profiled ones on a new keyboard I got coming soon but only ever typed on oem and cherry profiles, it looks quite comfy
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>>68424486
The essentially actuate using a light sensor and when the slider is pushed down it reflects IR light onto the sensor. Since they're contact-less, they're one of the smoothest switches ever made.
Wooting is a relatively new version of the concept and the keyboard can actually (see: sometimes based on some really finicky settings) behave as a joystick in video games or actuate differently based on how far the key was pushed down.
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>>68425354
Now you just need some strong magnets and a shitload of shielding and you’ve got one of the worlds only cubic force keyswitch. The datahand used optical+halls as well :D
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I've come here to apologise. I really thought you guys were just being autistic and elitist when you said buckling springs were the best thing to type on..

So I have changed keyboards multiple times in the past few years looking for that magic switch. All that wasted time and money and im typing on a fucking 90s keyboard like a cunt.

Just came on here to say sorry and gives me an excuse to type something out because its just so damn enjoyable.

what the fuck
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I fell for the memechanical keyboard. I should have just gotten a Logitech K120.
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>>68423320
Do blanks make my type better?
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>>68426398
We told you m8.
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>>68426398
>mech meta is topre imitation instead buckling

Fuck you reddit.
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>>68423320
>my keeb
>>>/r/eddit
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>>68426508

Topre is wack tho lmao I tried that too.

People on here really pushing topre now? thats basically a higher quality rubber dome lol.

Haven't bee on here in a while has the meta really fallen that low? Last time I was here you guys were shilling buckling springs and ALPS lol
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>>68426547
>box royals
>hako
>hako royals

Basically they push tactile switches to imitate topre,which they failed cause they say it bottoms out harsh.
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>>68426576
bottoming out is for brutes anyway
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>>68426547
>Now
Topre has always been popular here and everywhere else expensive keyboards are discussed. People always say the "endgame" for this hobby is a model f, topre realforce/hhkb, or a meme alps board.
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>>68426585
Considering a majority of popular tactile switches baisically make it impossible since the tactile bump takes more force to overcome than the bottom out weigh, I would say most people disagree.
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>>68426481
It depends if you type like a retard or not. Learn to touch type with proper technique. Use the right fingers for the right keys.
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>>68420519
>Loving MX clear
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>>68426712

Touch typing is the biggest meme going I swear. It's just something told to low dexterity humans to give them hope that they will compete with self taught typists who can peck, 2 finger or freestyle it and still have a higher WPM than a lifetime touch typist.
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>>68426930
What's your WPM then faggot?
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>>68426930
>why type efficiently when I can already type inefficiently really fast???
Hmm, I wonder.
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Where's the best place to buy Tada68? I live in the US if that means anything. Are there any other good alternatives to it? Non-bluetooth compact keyboard, something with no botnet
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>>68427033
>Chinese keyboard
>No botnet
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Fucking hell man designing a pcb is too difficult, why isnt there an automatic way of doing it?
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>>68420519
>>68426900
I had reds,blues,clears

I recently made a cospad, don't really get how to flash it,but I digress. Hako true feel like clears, violet feel like stiffer spring reds, and pale blue feel like stiffer blue with weak click.

I feel like I fell for memes.
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>>68427033
If you buy it from china it's cheaper, but if you wanna deal with Americans then get it from
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3522
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>>68427060
git gud
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>>68426930
>typing properly is a meme
anon it takes like a week to pick up typing properly, max. since you do it 24/7 you'll get used to it in no time. stop meming yourself and type properly, you'll be up to your shitty wpm and better in no time, and you wont get bullied online for and irl for typing like an idiot anymore
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I want a 60% PCB with underglow, hotswapping and bootmapper or QMK support that fits into a standard 60% case. Is there anything like that that's available right now?
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>>68427033
Kbdfans

>>68427040
They all made in China.... So your fucked.


Let day you get ficlo Leopold and get the custom controller can you tell there is no BOTNET?
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>>68427033
Take your pick
http://keyboardcatalog.com/65-percent/tada68#buy
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>>68427073
I pretty much freestyle (in the sense that I just do what's comfortable but I do it consistently) and I get up to 120wpm if I try.
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>>68427092
Kbdfans or kprepublic
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>>68427092
Yes, but you have to assemble it yourself
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Im looking at a few bluetooth mechanicals, honestly i dont expect a whole lot considering theyre like $50 but i am concerned about the latency. Does anyone have experience with them?
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>>68427060
>lay out components
>auto route
>see if its fucked
>adjust, repeat
theres not even that much shit on the boards its mainly just the matrix going to the controller, it cant be that bad
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>>68427113
kbdfans only has https://kbdfans.cn/collections/60/products/kbd6x-wkl-hot-swap-60-double-type-c-pcb but it's sold out right now and the layout isn't exactly standard
kprepublic doesn't seem to have it and that site looks like a real mess
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>>68426440
why do you shilly that chinky unaesthetic plastic piece that looks like it's used by a soccer mom?
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Does anyone know where i can get cherry super blacks, or an even heavier switch? Like as heavy as possible
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>>68427202
Buy cherry blacks and swap the springs for heavier ones
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>>68427202
you could buy heavier springs
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>>68427202
Cherry MX Linear Grey
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>>68427202
Get those 280g linear alps clones.
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>>68427202
Topre board with BKE Extremes
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>>68427202
Buy a heavy spring that what 90% of all these meme switches are.
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>>68427221
What's the point of him buying blacks if he's just going to change the spring anyway
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>>68427064
Do not worry for I have artistically studied typing videos and spent months reading first hand accounts. I'll get you through this.
Step one is to sell all your shit.
Linear: All you need is good housing, good stem, and good lube. An example: Cherry RGB housings(100% retooled, maybe smoother than non rgb, only a buck or two more), kailh pro purple stems, 62 sprit springs, tribosis lube. Use an STS plate for maximal sound goods. Instead of pro purples you can probably just buy worn down mx blacks(vintage blacks) on the mechmarket subreddit.
STS Plate Sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TBafM5VW54&t=5s
Default good linear sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dprpz9yOpeE
Tactile: fc660c/980c/hhkb/BKE light+lube/BTC dome with slider or retooled MX clears with 62g springs and lots of lube
BKE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amp57biCA7k
https://youtu.be/tI1-dY1ctg4
Clicky: Box navy or become alps faggot
Box navy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFCuvdETgkw
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>want Matias
>not available in my country's layout
Need Alps keycaps or someone that can apply legends to blank PTB or ABS keycaps.
Suggestions, /g/?
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>>68427411
By blanks PBT Alps keycaps and dye-sub them yourself
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>>68427152
Because it works well.
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Can someone explain how optical switches work in terms of connecting them to a pcb? Ive read theyre solderless but that doesnt really make sense.

Also how can that massdrop keyboard let you change the switches yet no other keyboard can?
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>>68427609
>Also how can that massdrop keyboard let you change the switches yet no other keyboard can?
GMMK, zhuque, GK64, HS60, etc.
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>>68427623
Mass drop is third part reseller fool, if they selling it mean other are making it.
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>>68427623
Sorry anon ,

>>68427650
Meant for
>>68427609
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>>68427650
They sell some of their own branded stuff.
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>>68427784
Like what.
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>>68427609
You can hotswap switches any number of ways. The patricians choice is to buy a shitty "DIY blue switch" outemu board for $30 and just use the outemu housings so you can hotswap. They're hotswapable but only with that specific kind of outemu.
Then there are kailh sockets which clip onto certain PCBs and let you hotswap. GK64 uses this.
There are also other boards like the GMMK and Teamwolf Zhuque but idk what mechanism they use.
Lastly there is these little cylinders that slide snuggly into certain PCBs that also allow hotswaping.
I'm not knowledgeable on opitcal switches outside of this https://danluu.com/keyboard-latency/ The fact that flaretech reds(optical linear) are smooth as all hell and that there is a pcb called the igk61 that lets you use gateron opticals and they sound very smooth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx9gO7AHjB4&t=5s
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>>68427623
The gk64 looks cool, just checking but they take normal cherry and gateron switches right?
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>>68427920
Yes, gk64 is a good option because as far as I know it's just a normal 60% pcb and is compatible with all the 60% cases all over aliexpress.
KBDfans sells just the pcb. You could get that and all the parts and "build" a keyboard without soldering.
If you're going to use linear or tactile switches make sure you lube as that is the primary advantage of hotswaping. Lubed cherry blacks will shit on nearly everything.
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>>68415046
Hello guys, my first post here, so let's hope this goes well. The Logitech K120 is the best keyboard I have ever tried. It only cost me 8£ brand new. Why is it good you ask? I shall tell you.

Well, first of all: this keyboard is from Logitech, which is undoubtedly the best keyboard manufacturer today. It is a rather common keyboard, yes; but because it is a Logitech, somehow it doesn't feel cheap. It's like the brand itself makes a crappy keyboard turn into a great one. I don't know, Logitech has always made me feel comfortable with cheaper products. The keys are superbly well distributed, and your fingers won't touch the surrounding keys like some other ones I've tried. The keys are also not very soft, nor very hard to press down on. You know, this keyboard makes it just right, so that you can actually take advantage of the impulse that the rebounding keys give you.

This keyboard makes you feel like gravity is actually working WITH you, rather that against you.

Another thing I absolutely love about it, is the space bar. It is just the right size, and not too small or too big like on some other crappy keyboards from other manufacturers. The space bar is the most balanced key in the whole keyboard, it sits right at the center, and you can actually use it without looking at the keyboard. I mean, that's just brilliant design. It's an USB keyboard. This makes it perfect for use with modern computers, and even laptops and netbooks. No more using that old crappy PS/2 port. We're in 2018, people. I could be here all day, but in the end, I just wanted to share with you my experience with this marvelous piece of peripheral engineering. I recommend this keyboard to anyone.
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>>68415046
Spending more than 30$ on a keyboard
Kys
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>>68428780
I work in IT and can confirm these are excellent keyboards. They do have one con though, the bottom feet pop off way too easily. They cant handle the stresses of a computer lab, so most of these keyboards end up with missing feet.
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>>68428939
>tfw you spent close to 500 on a keyboard
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>>68429261
fool, i am in the thousands. my wife has left me and my children do not speak to me
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>>68429501
you spent a thousands on a single keyboard? that's some dedications. I only spent a 1000 on my collection, but that includes 7 keyboards.
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>>68429514
the usb cable alone was over $3000
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>>68428939
The shipping for my keyboard was more than $30
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>>68429501
>>68429261
>>68429823
>>68429514
>spending thousands cause your too retarded to desolder keyboards
>too retarded to manually change springs.
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I have a corsair k70
Am i fucked for replacement keycaps?
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>>68429210
Which is no big deal because as far as ergonomics are concerned you should have the feet down anyways.
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>>68430055
Why would I desolder a F107 or a P70? Seems like it would be pointless
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>>68430348
No, you're just vert limited
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>>68425262
Its wonderful, I assume xda would be even more comfy but they dont make black blanks in those yet so I went with dsa
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>>68430945
They do tho
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>>68420445
>much shittier feeling Anker combo
proof?
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why do you fags care so much about keyboards? there's only so fucking much to talk about dudes
>inb4 endlessly autistically configuring them
christ, get a real hobby already
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>>68426712
I type 110-140 WPM depending and I don't really follow this, I basically don't use the pinky on my right hand at all. I usually pivot my right hand and use my middle finger to hit those keys actually
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if I ever make an ergo keyboard like that...
it will be torpe
have repeated tgv yhb (if it were qwerty) so that I can continue my bad habit of reaching across from where my fingers are supposed to be limited to.
be some kind of layout that isn't qwerty because LOL I'm designing my own keyboard why would I include a past mistake?

damn I also gotta get my own trackball with two sensors.
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>>68426440
how could they make this look like not shit for the same price?
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>>68429210
why would you reply to pasta?
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>>68427393
He could buy reds too, it doesn't matter
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>>68428707
Lubing requires that i "break" open the switch right? Or is there like some hole that i inject it into? Ill probably be going for a majority gateron yellow with a black spacebar and modifier keys. Use mx blacks currently actually and i want something a little different
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>>68431330
You have to take the top casing off the switch, which is a lot easier to do than it sounds.
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>>68431110
>topre ergo board
Here, just continue where this guy left off. The project is pretty much abandoned at this point.

https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/designing-a-custom-topre-board-t11734.html
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>>68430348
I dont like corsair because of their media kwys desu
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>>68431059
Suggest 10 hobbies
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>>68431354
That gets posted every thread, just ignore it.
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>>68431342
>https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/designing-a-custom-topre-board-t11734.html
oh ye I remember that
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Not going to use the template because it wouldn't apply in multiple cases, but anybody have an opinion on the best hot-swap body? Preferably 80%.
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>>68430959
link? i never found any
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>>68431607
Get the assdrop ctrl.
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>>68431640
Hmm, had no idea that was hot-swappable. Not a big fan of RGB in general though, primarily because I don't know if I'd be able to control it from Linux.
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>>68431025
You don't need fucking proof to see how shitty it would be. The chicklet are going to give you a typing experience similar to a cheap laptop and the mouse is thinner than a pancake. Not to mention that quality isn't going to be as good. If you want something aesthetic and not cheap and functional:
>>>r/mk/ and prepare a few hundred dollars for artisan keycaps and onions bottle openers.
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whats with some sellers saying to disable automatic updates until youve unlocked the bootloader? shits confusing
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>>68431752
>I don't know if I'd be able to control it from Linux.
I just got a GMMK TKL. all the controls are on the board, so you can just turn off the LEDs if you want to. Barebones is like $60 USD + shipping. It was the best deal I could find for a hot swap.
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If I should ask this on /csg/ instead, feel free to tell me to fuck off.
Currently I have a Magicforce 68 with gateron browns, got it for 45 bucks on sale and I'm really happy with it. The thing is, the right part of the spacebar is starting to wear, being uncomfortable to use. On top of that, I never liked the default gaymer font.

What keycaps do you suggest? Best site to buy from? So far I've seen this:
>DSA
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/Dsa-pbt-dolch-Keycaps/32848949838.html
>OEM
https://es.aliexpress.com/item/NPKC-Customized-ANSI-OEM-PBT/32813657693.html
https://es.aliexpress.com/store/product/Double-Shot-PBT-OEM/2955117_32801910605.html
>Cherry
https://es.aliexpress.com/store/product/Retro-Styl-Grey-Beige-108-129-sublimated-pbt--Cherry/2955117_32867752978.html

Not even sure what profile going with and if I would like white keycaps on a black keybard and a whole black setup overall. But honestly I think pic related looks nice.
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>>68432232
Get the cherry profile dyesubs.
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>>68432232
DSA can take some getting used to, but I personally find it comfortable
Cherry is the stock and you can't go wrong with ti
OEM is cherry but slightly taller

If you're unsure I'd get the cherries.
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>>68432254
>>68432260
I just can't tell looking at my keyboard if these are Cherry or OEM, but whatever it is, I find it comfortable.
I tried another chink keyboards where the caps where taller and I kept hitting rows while typing.
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>>68432232
And I forgot these ones, which are really appealing

https://aliexpress.com/store/product/Grey-Red-110-108-PBT-Keyboard-Keycap-Cherry-Profile-Dye-Sublimated-MX-Switch-For-Cherry-NOPPOO/2955117_32826060604.html
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Hello.

I'm thinking on buying an HHKB because of the layout and the switches.

Now, the questions are ¿Are topre switches that good? In case that the question is no, ¿What other non-topre options do I have?

Thanks in advance.
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>>68432389
>¿Are topre switches that good?

Short answer: No
Topres are lhe Apple of the switch world, where people that invest irresponsible amounts of money in them want to pretend they get their money's worth, when they are not god's gift to mankind
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>>68432232
>https://es.aliexpress.com/store/product/Double-Shot-PBT-OEM/2955117_32801910605.html

That's a nice find anon, I'm stealing that :^)
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>>68432389
topre switches are quite nice if you're a brute who likes to bottom out
wouldn't recommend them otherwise though
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What is the next best thing to a ducky one dk 2108?
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>>68432272
they're OEM for sure. i recommend cherry but with a DSA or XDA profile spacebar. and cut your fingernails so you don't scrape against the spacebar. you can't go too wrong with thick pbt in cherry profile, most are made by the same manufacturer (gateron) and then printed by other companies. check these stores:

https://kbdfans.aliexpress.com/store/group/Cherry-profile/2230037_511256273.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/Cherry-Profile/429151_510011773.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/Keycap/3051028_511598458.html
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>>68432294
check this too if you want white legends like the original dolch, double shot has the sharpest legends compared to dye sub

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/KBDfans-new-arrival-Black-Grey-mixed-Dolch-Thick-PBT-Double-shot-87-106-Keycaps-Cherry-Profile/2230037_32850910519.html
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>>68432926
please stop posting this image
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>>68433460
Find, I'll post this instead.

Also what is the next best thing to a Ducky One DK2108?
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May I have a honest opinion on these keycaps?
https://kbdfans.cn/products/cherry-profile-pbt-dye-sub-keycaps?variant=18047774163002
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I got a question, are all switches of the same type the same?

Lets say two different brands with cherry mx blue switches, do they feel the same?
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>>68433602
the switches are the same but they might feel different depending on the material and on the kinds of keycaps that are installed on the keyboard
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>>68433602
>two different brands with cherry mx blue
Wut
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>>68433502
looks gay
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>>68433502
cute anon
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>>68434114
>>68433973
I don't care about the look, I'm more concerned about their quality
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>>68434132
its decently thick pbt with dye sub printing, cant really go wrong there in terms of quality. if stuff like slight warping or off center lettering(not enough to see on daily basis unless you go up to it with a looking glass) doesn't bother you they should be fine.
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>>68434132
I have a PBT set from kbdfans on my old Tofu. It's side printed so there was no problem with the lettering and there was no warping.
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ok any good deals on aliexpress or anywhere for singles day?
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>>68433602
yes and no, switches will be the same, ofcourse. but the 'feel' of a keyboard is greatly influenced by keycaps and base as well. does the board come with flimsy abs caps or proper pbt? do they have the oem profile or some extra thick one? are the switches mounted to a metal/wooden/bronze plate or directly on the pcb? is the case flimsy or solid? all of those are going to effect the feel of the board.
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>>68434372
>>68434390
Good, thank you for replying.
>warping
I'm not very familiar with kb terminology, so I don't know the meaning of this expression
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>>68434451
It means the keycaps warp
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>>68434503
so they begin to bend and change their shape?
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>>68434451
see those two on the left? see how they are just barely not straight on the sides? not something you'd ever notice while they're on the board unless going up to it with a macro lens. but not as straight as they were originally intended to be, basically just like you anon.
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>>68434535
No they come warped from the factory
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>>68434538
I don't see any differences except for the scratches
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>>68433602
switches from different companies are generally similar, but for example cherry mx brown has weaker tactility than gateron brown, and some brands have more friction, wobbliness, inconsistency

here are objective force measurements of various switches (line break in link because faggot 4chan spam filter):
plot.
ly/~haata/
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>>68434556
He's talking about two different keyboards using the same switch, not about different switches
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>>68434572
oh
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>>68434538
Warping is a much bigger problem on larger keycaps. My EPBT shift key was warped and I had to use plenty of force to squeeze it into the stabilizers. Luckily KBDfans sent me a replacement keycap
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>>68434553
oh shit
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>>68434555
worst case with the 'warping' stuff even if you get omega cheap shit from china is the longer keys can be a bit curved, but even then you'll barely see it and if its too bad you can straighten them on a flat surface and a blowdryer. basically its a non concern and always near impossible to see.
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>>68434451
thick pbt keycaps can be slightly deformed but it's mostly not an issue
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>>68434596
that's reassuring, thank you
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>>68434589
you couldve used a blowdryer/heat anon, all my 1.25+ keys were warped to shit when I got them(20 dollar aliexpress pbt set) and they were all fine after a bit of gentle correction under heat
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>>68434621
Didn't work for me tho, they keycap warped back into place and got stuck again. You need a lot more heat and I didn't feel like buying a heat gun just for one keycap
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Which switch is closest to buckling spring feel?

I'm happy with my model m but I'm wondering if anything modern has come close in terms of typing feel. Cherry MX blue doesn't cut the mustard. Sips
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>>68434791
>cherry mx
Both Gateron blue and Kailh BOX White are better
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>>68434856
I know. I don't want merely better. I want nearly identical to springs
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>>68435076
Box pale blues is probably as close as you will get
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>>68435092
Thank you. I'll check them out.
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w-when does someone make new bread
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Is the Magicforce 68 the best cheap board?
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>>68432232
These keycaps look retro—is it supposed to resemble an old mainframe keyboard? What specifically?
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>>68415161
Cherry
Topre
OEM
The only 3 that matter
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>>68433602
Opinions on Bloody B975? I tried it didn't one of my friends have it and it was a shocking experience. Totally blew my fucking Cherry Speeds away.





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