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>>11380539
sauce pls
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>>11380416
sauce?
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>>11380531
holy shit who is this?
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>>11383488
might be siri
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is that pandora peaks?
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>>11380416
>>11383488

Siri - Titty Creampies

biqle ru /watch /-84208469_456239339
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>>11380473
who dis?
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>>11383947
Looks like Beverly Paige.
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I think that's Rachel Raxxx
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>>11383696
chessie moore
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virgin here
do titfucks actually feel good?
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>>11385268
Yes, as long as you've got some sort of lube involved.
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>>11385268
My girlfriend's boobs are a little small but it feels amazing, I like it better than blowjobs. I imagine it must feel even better with actually big boobs
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>>11385268

Good god yes.

I mean, I've only done it with one girl, but we were together for years and she had huge tiddies. It feels fantastic, but yeah, you need something to lubricate it a little. Although I found that even a little spit works in ok. Not ideal, but fine.
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>>11380508
Sauce
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>>11385268
Lube feels great, but having her wear a sports bra while your dick is between her boobs feels even better. Super tight, warm and squishy!
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Anyone have any titfucking stories to share? I'll start

I titty-fucked this girl with huge tits recently in this exotic sit down shower. The soap and her red sports bra sent me over the edge. I came between her tits and my cum flew right over her shoulder.
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>>11387214
God, I wish I was there. All I have is a shower curtain. What kind of soap she was using? I'm guessing something fancy.
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>>11387156
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>>11380487
Who dis?
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>>11380531
need sauce on these tits. cam whore?
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>>11385268

Never without lube/oil.

It's more visually stimulating than pleasurable though.
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>>11386267
Rachel Raxxx
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>>11387801
anyone has more of this huge breasts titfuck under bra/top/lingerie and without hands? it's great
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>>11388631
Sauce
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>>11387156
>>11387214
Any titfucking tips to share?
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>>11380512
Wish I could find this scene
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>>11385268
They feel amazing... i feel like cumming so much quicker when i get a good titfuck from my gf
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>>11380454
sauce pl0x¡?
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>>11387228
Not sure. She picked the soap, but it was very enjoyable
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>>11385268
dunno why are all of them saying lube.
Its enough to have some spit & precum on your dick from a blowjob, and a titifuck can start
She can also always spit between her tits while doing it
But yeah, all my gfs had great tits and its my favorite way to cum
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>>11389397
Drink lots of water, save up your load for a week, edge every day. The goal is to aim for the chin, but the face is bonus! The bigger the tits the better it feels. It is all about technique, make sure you or her is squeezing nice and tight. With a sports bra there is no hands needed. Doing it under clothes can be visually more exciting too.
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>>11380451
Sauce
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>>11380454
anyone know the name of the slut?
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>>11389845
Maserati
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>>11389628
Does she mind that you cum while doing it?
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>>11390414
Beverly paige
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>>11385268
No, not really. Mostly had to get off on her ribbones
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>>11389812
sauce?
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>>11390988
She loves doing it. Some girls actually get off to it believe or not.
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>>11389804
sauce?
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>>11389397
Yes, when you tittyfuck someone, you don't want to put your penis anywhere else. Not in her vajayjay, not in her anus, not in her mouth, not armpit, not ANYWHERE else. You have to put it between her tiddies, because it's called titfuck.
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I've been married to someone for 15 years with large, natural, fantastic tits. I have, well, had, a tit / titfucking fetish.

She doesn't like doing it. We've done it a total of, like, three times, and each time she's made a point afterward of telling me it does nothing for her.
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>>11389781
Sauce
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>>11380459
for the love of god sause!
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>>11392307
Cuck
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>>11389397

Don't titfuck your mom
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>>11392778
Harmony reigns
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>>11392307
Tell her you don't give a shit.
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>>11392307
how selfish of her. if you do whatever you can to get her off then she owes it to you to let you enjoy yourself too.
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>>11385268
one of the things that is pretty frustrating with lube is if its applied incorrectly. it needs to be only in the middle so her hands arent having trouble slipping all over the place.
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>>11380531
reveal the identity. need to find this woman
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>>11392132
noelle easton
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>>11380454
>>11380459

Beverly paige
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>>11380431
Is that white Michelle Obama?
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>>11387214
>1440069856234.webm

Started seeing this nerdy girl, wore glasses, a bit thick, had very nice, big tits. Very shy girl. Second time seeing her we make out and I start playing with her tits.

She takes off her top and I fondle and suck on them for a while before she says we should try something. She lays on her bed and says sit on her chest and put my dick between her breasts.

>areyoufuckingserious.jpg

I get so worked up so fast (I hadn't cum in a week) and warn her I'm going to explode. She says to keep going and pushes her big tits around me more firmly. Thick stream shoots over her head and hits the head board, the next few hit her face square on and a huge pool of cum forms on her chest. She gets up and is her breasts are absolutely coated.

>oh my god anon, its so warm and theres so much!

We shower together and she proceeds to suck me off and makes me finish between her tits in the shower this time.

I miss those tits
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>>11392307
That seems a little harsh. Imagine if you said you didn't want to finger her because "it does nothing for you"? However, I imagine it probably turns you on to make her feel good when you're fingering her, and you'd think that mutual love of pleasuring each other would be reciprocated.
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>>11392307
>married for 15 years
>only done it 3x tops
my condolence
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>>11394247
Wow amazing story! How big were her tits?
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>>11395914
About tree fiddy
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>>11380515
Sauce? I know it's Hitomi and Anri.
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>>11389822
Sauce?
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>tfw virgin and obsessed with titfucking

I'm more desperate to lose my breast sex virginity than my regular virginity.
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>>11396116
name?
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>>11396212
Eva Notty.
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>>11395914

Really big. They were double D's, dangled like udders when we did doggystyle
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Any good amateur titfuck videos? With proper huge tits.
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>>11380426
JAV code?
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>>11380508
>tfw browse /pol/
>tfw accept all differences between races including IQ
>tfw believe racemixing is bad

If I get at a black chick with a chest like this, you better believe I'm leaving the white race behind.
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>>11396480

Mylatinacrush Myablair
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Anyone else want to share their greatest titfuck experience?
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>>11389397
You gotta find the right angle for your cock, or else it will pop out really easy. Mine stands up really straight, so I or the woman has to be leaning pretty hard.
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>>11396257
Double D isnt big
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>>11385268
Actually hunted down an Fcup girl for this on tinder and was pretty underwhelmed. I mean it was nice but nothing special, blowjobs feel much better.

It felt soft and warm but not very stimulating, imagine putting your dick between two big fat bellies haha, kinda like that. But visually stimulating of course.

I'm glad I finally got to try it but ultimately it's not worth the trouble. Back to B-cup girls now.
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>>11399298
>Tinder

How much did you message her beforehand, how'd you convince her? I wanna titfuck someone without spending $300 on an escort whose body isn't really that great.
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>>11387214
My ex had F cups I think. Really huge, excellent tits and she didn't mind showing them off. She'd always send me topless photos if I was away for a few days and I know she liked to think about me using them as fapping material.

She'd apparently never really done titfucking before she met me. She said one of her exes tried it once but it was awkward so they never did again. I was like 'That guy's an idiot' and went to town on those puppies.

What everyone else in the thread has said is true: It's MUCH better with some kind of lube. I personally always used massage oil as it smelled nice for her (which meant she was happier to do it more often) and it works pretty good as a lubricant so long as you don't plan to do sex afterwards.

I'm now with a girl who has smaller boobs. She tried titfucking me a couple of times but it doesn't really work. Doesn't matter though because the sex is waaaaaaay better than with my ex. And when she gets drunk she gives the most ridiculously amazing, sloppy, enthusiastic blowjobs I've ever seen from a non-pornstar.

Life is good. But I do miss those tits sometimes...
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>>11393032
Why not?
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>>11399214

Fuck off virgin
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>>11380423
sauce?
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Anybody have the Asian in sports bra? yellow I think. Not the one that's posted here.
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>>11389830
why is that bitch even trying? she's better at other things, leave the tit fucks to the qualified
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>>11394139
>fire up fallout 3
>create a new character
>click randomize face
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>>11399214
I genuinely want to see you choke to death on them.
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>>11380459
>>11394188
this one isnt beverly. its Samanta Lily
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>>11380531
continuing the daily sauce request on this one
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>>11380531
that's a fake dick.
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>>11396480
This is extremely hot.
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>>11380424
sauce??? holy mother of jesus
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>>11387878
Themis Thunder
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>>11380515
That would be heaven
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>>11383513
one of the GOAT
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>>11392420
>onlyblowjob.webm
>titfuck

what happened to her anyway?
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Some people think titfucking is overrated but I don't think anyone would reject putting their dick between Hitomi's tits.
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>>11380464
Moar ;-)
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>>11403176
Well if you insist.

www.cliphunter.com/w/2142731/Hitomi_Tanaka__Paizuri_compilation_Titjob

Here's four entire goddamn hours of hitomi titfucks.
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>>11399214
Eh hum... He is correct. Double d's are not big enough to be featured in big tits porn from Score for instance.
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>>11389792
sauce?
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>>11396116
It's not that great, especially if you're like 95% of people and don't have a 10 inch dick, my girlfriend has 38DDD breasts, pretty much the best you could get without enhancement, and we've tried many times, it's just not that great,
a comfortable position and friction are real problems
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>>11394192
It's brandy talore/taylor, she goes by both
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>>11401102
>Anri Okita speaking english
>Her voice is pretty fuckin hot
SAUCE IT NIGGA, PLEASE.
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>>11385268
I was neutral to them before, but then I hooked up with this girl with big tits who was giving me head then just randomly busted out some lube and started titfuking me, I busted so hard I couldn't even warn her, I just sorta grunted and she went "Wha- oh shit!" I've had a full blown titfucking obsession ever since.
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>>11403458
dubbed
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>>11403777
Oh shit as in your cum nailed her right in the face? lol
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>>11403837
Nope, just a delay. She speaks English. Pretty sure she was born and raised in Britain.
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>>11401347
those titties tho
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>>11397490
keep your retarded opinions and pseudoscience in its designated containment board please
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>>11389781
her eyes / face is the best part of this.
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>>11390988
Lol, replying to someone about their fake fantasy gf :D
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>>11399857
Actually he's right, DD isn't as big as any of these. Not even close. It's big for average people, but not pornstars. Something you'd know if you weren't precisely what you just called someone ;)
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>>11405142
I wish she'd go back to porn.
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>>11400539
Eva Notty

>>11401642
Brandy Talore
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>>11405191
I've titty-fucked a pair of DD's and had a good time. I've also fucked J cups before but DD was still fun.
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>>11405612
Looks like fuckin Kristen Wiig.
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>>11405594
>J cups

Wew lad
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>>11403413
Lube is key, as has been said many times. As for the position, I guess I don't know what might be comfortable for her, but if your willing to put in the 'work', she just needs to lie back and push them together??
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>>11405612
shelley duvall? is that you?
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>>11392077
Allie Pearson
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>>11403256
Awesome! Thank-you anon times 10. :-D

I just can't get enough of Hitomi paizuri videos.
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>>11405796
Technique is definitely key as well. Kaho Shibuya is a great example
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>>11401347
>huge boobs
>complaining about a fake cock
you are gay
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Anyone getting their first titty-fuck this weekend?
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>>11380487
Incredible finish! Too bad it wasn't filmed like the first angle
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>>11403837
This is the most tragic news ever told. The lips sync pretty well....

why even live?
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>>11407495
Don't believe his lies.
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>>11385268
yes, and lube is not needed.
i had a chubby gf when i was a teen and it was amazing, she just had to suck it a little and spit on it and all was ready to go
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>>11407898
Nice, how big were those juggs as a teen?
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>>11405979
>>11405992
needs to be moar from this angle
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I want to cum inside some tits
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>>11389737
Who dis?
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>>11401347
Damn we've got a detective over here
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>>11389822
name on those tits?
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>>11394139
source
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>>11403413
Standing up in the shower has been the best experience for me. It's easier to clean after your bust your nut there
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>>11394117
>Implying this dipshit does anything to get his wife off.
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>>11410345

>nutting in the shower
>spraying your woman with liquid protein concrete

I bet you cum in the tub when you're bathing too
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>>11409212
>start up fallout new vegas
>create new character
>click randomize
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>>11408608
Siri
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>>11392307
damn, dude. where did you bury the body?
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>>11405612
could i have some sauce on her?
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>>11411146
Alia Janine
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>>11399214

They probably don't look very big on the cows you have a chance with. DD's are nice sized tits on normal girls though.
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>>11392307
What a fucking cunt. Course it does nothing for her it's not for her.
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Anyone got the webm of a brunette with a TON of eye shadow getting titfucked while talking about how the guy was too loud last time and her BF/husband could hear
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>>11411205
Seriously. I mean, I guess I can understand if she doesn't want to do stuff like this
>>11406720
(even Hitomi has moaned about how tiring it gets), but with stuff this,
>>11392420
she should at least be willing to indulge him.
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>>11380531
camgirl/clipstore where?
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>>11410345
As long as you shave your pubic hair it's easier. Blowing a load between a girls tits feels great but when it oozes down your shaft and and gets tangled up it's kind of a pain in the ass lol
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>>11408525
Sounds painful
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>>11403401
Noelle Easton
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>>11389385
Learn to read, asshat. The name and the code is in the filename. What more of a sauce do you fucking want?
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>>11401347
Whaaaaaat? How can you tell?
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>>11385268

>>11348714

Reminds me of a couple years ago when I went to a massage parlor for my birthday. Hot half-filipina. Asked her to suck my balls while I jerked myself off. Then titfucked her in on a loveseat there in the room. Damn she was sweet. I wish that place was still around.
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>>11385268

I've titfucked everything from A-cup to J-cup (Google it -- you'll probably find her Backpage ad). Best drug in the world. Find a massage parlor in your town and tip your server well. It will soon be on the menu. You won't be disappointed.
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>>11412172
sauce?
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>>11394247

Reminds me of my ex. She was a chubby nerdy insecure girl in high school. Then I met up with some high school friends after college. She was there. Just got back from France, had lost some weight, and looked so stacked. She was Creole with Double Ds and meaty classic Playboy curves. We started dating.

First time alone in my apartment I totally porn-fucked her. Laid her back on my couch, pushed her thick thighs back, pounded her bare back, then titfucked her to completion. Probably best orgasm I ever had.

We dated but it didn't last long. Her insecurity about her body turned me off. And she wouldn't watch JAV porn with me. She thought the girls were too submissive and thin. Ok. Maybe she had a point on the first count. But thin. I was looping Hitmomi clips. WTF? So I broke it off.

Regretted it ever since.

Vid related. No titfucking on display but looks a lot like my ex.
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>>11403413

I have a bog-standard 6" hard-on and have never been disappointed.
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>>11405612

She looks like a TA I had in college who wanted the D. She was a crazy trust-fund baby with a teenage son. I was tempted but her breath always smelled like coffee. So I always ended up making excuses when she wanted to get together.

Her tits weren't quite this big. Probably B or Cs. If they were this big I probably would have hooked up, consequences be damned.
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>>11405979

Such a great finish.
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>>11413417
sauce?
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>>11413466
Selena star, I think she retired though
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>>11392307
I have to agree with few comments here. You are a cuck. But dont take it as offence.

You need to learn to say no, and to be a man in your family. You must take the decision making of your household to you and only to you. Let her give you advices or options, but you must be the decision maker in everything.

If she spends money, you must get angry and question her why did she bought this and that, to show her that you are the man of the house.

When she does not want to give you titty fuck, you told her to do it. Later on you must say that if she wont do anything that pleases only you, then you will not do anything that pleases only her, like pussy licking or fingering or massage, etc.

You dont need to be a tyrant to be a man of the house. You dont need to push her down. When you take the responsibilities off of her shoulders and that means that you are only responsible of the decisions, she will feel safer and she is not acting like a bitch.

Dont listen that feminist bullshit where you need to be a fucking woman. We are still animals. Women are good at giving options and advices, but they get horrible when they are making decisions too! You make orders, you make decisions. That is your thing to do as a man. You lead and you take the hits. She will support you and she will give you titty fucks too, because you are NOT ASKING!
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Source?
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>>11396480
Source?
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>>11413388
Dubs allow this - Kali West, Mamazon
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anybody know if it's true that theres a kat dennings tit fuck video out there? i heard a rumor that there was
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>>11413750
We'll said
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>>11413895
Got a trusted download link? Can't find a streaming site to save my arse
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>>11408520
who this? scene?
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>>11389822
Best boobs in the thread so far.
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>>11406713
here comes the faggot with sfm
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>>11396480
>stops her
>won't shut up
>shows his face to brag
literally fucking why.. If i knew how to edit videos I'd do it.
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>>11389781
this is literally the only good part of the video. there's an old dude in the corner. the camera guy talks through it. the guy fucking her talks, too. and also the dude fucking her looks like a gremlin.
not worth it.
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>>11415141
no. too tiny.
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>>11415020
christy marks
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>>11380531
whos tittys?
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Got to titty-fuck some DDD's last night
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>>11389822
>nigger
the family must be so proud
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>>11405755
Sauce
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>>11419382
PENIS ENVY ENGAGE
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>>11399465
I am a chick and this is what I always wonder when I'm with my guy, he obviously prefers bigger tits but sex is better with me. Sometimes I'd rather just make him go date another big titty girl so I can find someone who prefers my body and doesn't randomly miss big tits... my insecurity. Funny enough, I come here for tittyfuck porn to jerk off too myself. Maybe its titenvy fueled and I'm bi.
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>>11419382
As opposed to how proud they'd be if she was getting paid to appear on camera rubbing her tits on a white cock?
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>>11403413
Your girlfriend is fat and you have a defective penis. Congrats.
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>>11380436
Cash me outside
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>>11420331
japs never cease to amaze me with their degenerate shit
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>>11420413
I wish she'd do that, gurl got titties
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Looking for 2 different webms.
JAV
Same girl in both webms
She has a white bra on in one and a pink bra on in the other (more of a sports style bra rather than cups). She is slim with big tits.
Neither was titfuck to completion in the webm!

Anyone have them saved or know sauce?!
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>>11396116
>gonna lose virginity with some flat breast girl
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>>11421581
That's Ana, but I could never find that vid in decent quality.
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>>11421527
Sauce pls
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>>11421838
Anya Ivy
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>>11420547
and shes only like 14. keep on growin em babe and get back to us in a few years.
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>>11417430
well go on anon, tell us more. if you've got a pic of these DDDs show us. dont have to show any faces.
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>>11380531
spill the sauce
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>>11421581
search busty ana on pornhub or xvideos
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>>11385268

Such a great deal of kissless pseudo-wisdom in this thread. OK children, I will now educate you.

Titfucking is awesome and it feels better than the videos look. There is nothing hotter than using a girl's face and tits to jerk yourself off. You can finish in her mouth or on her tits.

It is pretty much impossible to fuck anything with an A or a B cup, so don't even try or she will feel insufficient. C cups can barely do it, but it's not satisfying. You need at least a D or DD. The bigger the tits, the better it feels. I currently have one girl who is E and one who is H. H feels better.

However, having the right kind of tits is less important than having the right brain in the girl. You MUST find a girl who is basically a sub. This is pretty much required. A lot of girls get off on the idea of being used as a sexual toy. It's tough to find such a girl who 1. has big tits 2. gets off on being used 3. not land whale fat, but it can be done with patience.

When approaching such a girl to date her, the titfucking shouldn't be the first thing out of her mouth, but once you are dating you need to take every opportunity to appreciate her tits and her body and let her know that they turn you on. The majority of pro-sex women want to be lusted after.

The best feeling titfuck is when she places her palms, fingers up, on the sides of her tits and squeezes up around your cock. In this position she can suck you off while you titfuck her. It is possible to cum with the force of 9000 suns in this position.

Don't let them get the idea you're just using them as cum dumpsters. Love them, cuddle them, all that touchy-feely that the womens need.

If you think I'm making this shit up, I really don't give a fuck. Just take this wisdom and use it for what it's worth.
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>>11420133

you know, $4000 and a few days out of work could solve that issue for you and him.
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>>11420133

also, this sounds like the perfect situation for a threesome. get some girl you find hot in there.
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>>11423028
Not paying for tits man, he's not into implants anyway.
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>>11423044
What are the chances that we finish and he keeps thinking of her and wants it more than me? That's another fear, if I could be certain he wouldn't I would, but he's a guy, of course he'd crave that again and find me less attractive seeing me side by side by a chick like that.
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>>11383513
>all these years later
>still GOAT
Is no one even trying to top this? Can it be that hard?

Sad to think I still always go back to this vid instead of newer ones.
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>>11389385
Daigo Umehara
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>>11423069

I hear you, it IS a risk. All I can tell you is that if there is not 100% communications on all sides, then a threesome can be a trainwreck. But if you bring that fear to the table and make your requirements crystal clear it is possible for everyone to get what they want. In my life anyway, not sure what your situation is exactly like. In my case, I like big tits too but I don't leave my A cup because I love her. We don't choose our kinks. Anyway, since you have the kink and he does too maybe some negotiation is in order. But jealousy is real and you don't have to be something you're not. Good luck
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>>11413417

it's crazy i was myspace friends with this thot when she was like 15 or 16

she had to have been barely 18 maybe 19 when she did porn. i would fuck her raw still
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>>11423004

First off I totally agree with everything you said and 2nd do you have a favorite titfucking experience to share?
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>>11380424
That's Brandy Taylor.
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>>11423004

You're a man of fine words my dude. Now that I think about it. It's tottaly true that it's best with a sub. My personnal favorite technique is to lick every ounce of her boobs until they are but two hot steaming blob. If you do your job right, The girl should be aroused like hell while you fuck those juggs.
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Bump
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can someone sauce me on this?
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>>11423578
I do the same thing. I will suck a girls tits so fucking good she'll be begging for cum on them at the end.
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>>11420331
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>>11410644
I hate shower nuts, they turn into gel
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what happened to the thread
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>>11426057

I don't want to see this thread die so people need to keep posting the good shit!
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>>11383833
name?
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>>11426634
peneleope didnt do nearly enough work. i loved watching her stuff
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>>11380531
happy wednesday, lookin for source
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>>11400786
kkeeek
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>>11420486
sauce
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>>11380423
It angers me what this bitch did to her tits.
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>>11383513
>>11423090
> amateur & goddess who can casually titfuck while multitasking a phone conversation
i agree, it's pretty hard to top...
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>>11426073
info pls
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>>11426634
This was the very first porn video I ever watched and became obsessed with titfucking ever since




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