>>18199738
Why do humans force their children to eat cancer causing foods, and pump cancer causing chemicals into the air?

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>>18199741
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11376673/
>However, the only confirmed case of malignant soft tissue neoplasm in the head and neck region was detected in a male child mummy from northern Chile that presented a lesion in the right cheek.

also, pic related is an osteosarcoma found on the toe of a 1.6 million year old human ancestor adolescent

>>18199738
romans 9:16-21

>>18199738
The Demiurge is evil

>>18199738
Christcucks will scream "whataboutism" and "if god real why x" but they can never actually refute the point.

Because god practices reincarnation, obviously.

>>18200529
You don't understand the essence of Christianity
A child being called to God via any means is painful for the family that loses him, but the child's soul is most likely in Heaven and that is ultimately better than hypothetically seeing the child grow up, commit atrocious sins, die unrepentant, and end up in hell. But let's say in another timeline the child would grow up and live a pious life leading to Heaven. It would still not matter after the parents die because they will forget all their sorrows and be reunited with their offspring.
However, if a child dies due to neglect or , malpractice or what have you, then he perpetrators most likely are damned forever as per the Gospel

>>18200553
Its crazy the things we tell ourselves to explain the shitty, unfair and brutal nature of our world.

>>18199738
Because you touch yourself at night

>>18200565
>the things we tell ourselves
If I believe in God and the Bible, which I do, it makes sense

>>18200600
It doesnt make sense, that you believe enough to pester us daily, but not as hard as to obey it

>>18200605
>us
how many people are with you in the room anon? blink twice and I'll send help
>pester
you're the one who replied. I simply gave you my perspective
>not as hard as to obey it
source?

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>>18200609
>How many people are with you?
A cohort of demons
>My perspective
In summary: you wanna know why we don't fear Christian men and what can you do? (Nothing).
>Source?
I can tell as a Demon.

1. Do you have your personal altar to offer up on it?
2. Do you meditate?
3. You do the works?
4. Are you sinless?
5. Did you find a narrow and hidden path?

Lmao

>>18199738
>hurr god person in sky picks each kid to get cancer
This is retarded teleology. The universe has physical laws. Cells mutate. Shit happens. God isn't a cosmic micromanager pushing the cancer button.

Why do people obsess over kids? I think the loss of a 30 year old working tax payer is more tragic than the loss of a child who can be replaced easily.

>>18200654
>God isn't a cosmic micromanager pushing the cancer button.
Refuted by occasionalism.

>>18200553
>the child's soul is most likely in Heaven
unless he wasn't baptized/born in the right country to be a christian, then he's fucked

>>18200619
>larping as a demon
you are definitely disturbed son
at least larp as something less homosexual

>>18199738
Christianity promises salvation after death. Not good life on Earth. "Preachers" who claim that good things happen to Christians because of their faith are charlatans.

>>18200888
>baptized in the right country
Where in the Bible does it say that?

>>18200972
i meant baptized, or born in the wrong country (not christian)

>>18200980
if that's the parent's concern, they can baptize their child
St. Constantine was baptized before his death and Dante saw him in Heaven 1000 years later

>>18201033
so if a kid's parents dont believe in god, the kid can end up in hell through no fault of his own?

>>18201075
You have to ask God that question. If a kid's parent doesn't believe in God, then God can't be blamed for what happens

>>18201076
this contradicts Ezekiel 18:20

>>18201082
I meant the parents can't blame God for taking their child if they don't even believe in God.
I stated in my first comment that God calls children to Him, so there is no contradiction

>>18200519
sound fucking evil

>>18199738
could be because of past life karma

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>>18200967
>He thinks I'm larping
>You're disturbed
Not a bad band, but I'm not them ;)
These have great drumming, btw ;)

>>18199738
All part of God's plan, chud. He works in mysterious ways and you can't understand His divine intellect.

>>18200553
That doesn’t explain why suffering exists. If god is trying to get that kid to heaven why not kill him in a way that’s quicker and causes less suffering for the child and still sending him to heaven. There’s also the problem where if the whole point of killing children is to send them to heaven before they grow into sinners why doesn’t god just give all human children cancer?

>>18200654
That kinda sounds like there’s a limit to what god can know or do. Does he know about every case of child cancer but can’t stop them all or is it he does stop child cancer but only the cases he aware of which means he’s not all knowing.

>>18201338
Why can’t he make us understand?

>>18201244
omnipotent beings can do whatever you want because no one (not you or i) can stop them, we are merely creations that cant oppose the tyrant creator, this is the basis of calvinism

>>18200971
Then why bother with charity?

>>18200519
>[16] So then it depends not on human will or exertion,(1) but on God, who has mercy.
>[17] For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”
>[18] So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
>[19] You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?”
>[20] But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”
>[21] Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
God tortures some with being made poorly for his own purpose, you have no right to complain about it, and in fact, any response to it at all is pointless since you lack standing to even merit a response, which was eloquently explained to Job.
This implies that stoicism is the proper response to suffering.

>>18201667
>This implies that stoicism is the proper response to suffering.
many people cope with suffering in different ways
some dissociate, some use religious and philosophical forms of dissociation like buddhism and stoicism
>just ignore your suffering bro
kek ultimate dissociating cope

>>18199738
not christian but this problem of evil lies on a wrong conception of omnipotence/benevolence

God isn't omnipotent in a way by which he can do anything. There's limits to what he can do (namely logical contradiction). From this I've heard some christians say that cancer and other forms of evil were necessary for our world to exist.
On the whole benevolence thing, christians will argue that god defines what is good and is "good"ness by essence, which makes that if god gave cancer to children, it's actually le heckin wholesome good moment, like >>18200553 argues.

>>18199755
Yes, we haven't always had the technology to make cancer more widespread and diverse, but it's something worth addressing morally.
God isn't a person but a description of morality's origins.
For most of history the answer to "why do bad things happen to innocent people" was
A) people are evil
B)gods dont stop them
Or
A)gods are evil
B)people cant stop them

So are people evil, is nature evil, or is evil an independent thing that participates in both?
I think you'd really get a lot of benefit to some deeper philosophical confrontation with evil as a concept as opposed to just shitposting from the hip.

>>18201780
If god is goodness by essence then either
A)he isnt the one generating the cancer
Or
B)it demands more consideration. The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you

>>18201818
>A)
He still could be though. But that would make cancer good.

>>18201780
The thing is that parts of the world can be greatly improved that doesnt seem to be logically impossible. Take suffering for example, if you just remove the experience of suffering and replaced it purpose of making us avoid things with an automatic response, reality would improve hundredfold
Get cancer and die? Well, atleast your life was enjoyable before it ended. Get tortured? Lmao, how? Burn alive? Very warm. Getting up from bed in the morning is hard? No its not. Working stresses you out? No it doesnt
Its basically a utopia

>>18201961
That's option (b)

>>18201334
lmao so you think you're a demon?
And metallica has the best living drummer. But the best overall used to play for manowar

>>18201339
>why doesn't God give all children cancer
Why should He? Everyone dies at the end, God has a lot of time
>why suffering
to purify the soul

>>18199738
What do you do to help kids with cancer?

>>18201979
but then demons would have nothing to do and you'd get a call from their union rep

>>18201780
God is definitely Omnipotent and infinitely Good
He made the laws of physics and logic
Cancer and other incurable diseases are our lot in life and most of them exist because of our lifestyle/pollution, genetic defects etc
>inb4 ancient people got cancer
genetic defects have existed for a long time
>inb4 children died
and went to Heaven

>>18202618
Why would god make it possible for there to even be genetic defects if he was all good? And if god were truly all powerful couldn't he limit his power? If he can then then he wouldn't be all powerful and if he cant he also wouldn't be all powerful.

>>18201747
All responses to suffering are indeed forms of coping because that's all there is: coping mechanisms.
What other response would you suggest?

>>18202618
>Satan hates God & wants to destroy creation any way he can.
>God sits around watching people deal with the consequences of accumulated sin.
That's all you really need to explain suffering in the world: active malice and indifferent observation of human failure.

>>18201667
If the bible were the infallible word of god then there wouldn't be any inconsistencies but there are. All 4 gospel give conflicting accounts of the resurrection and 2 gospels give conflicting genealogies for Jesus' lineage and thats just two of many more examples. If the bible cant follow the laws of logic which is grounded in god then the bible can be the word of god and cant convey metaphysical/epistemological truths therefore the Abrahamic worldview is false. Idc wtf job or any of those retarded jews claimed. This is a pathetic attempt to scream and cover your ears while doing the minimum amount of reasoning possible.

>>18202644
your second question is nonsensical
it's like asking "can God make an object so heavy He can't lift"
as for the first one, genetic defects are part of what is commonly called "natural evil" except in the case of excessive inbreeding where they're man-made
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_evil
I am firmly in the Aquinas camp on this one
A Calvinist would obviously strongly disagree
everyone else falls somewhere in between on the spectrum

>>18202654
I think natural evil occurs for some unfathomable reason, but it is not God's Will
If demons cause it, which I think they do, they will answer on Judgement Day for all the evil they have done

>>18202683
Natural Evil seems like a massive cope to me, especially the "permission, not will" distinction, which comes off as an attempt to evade responsibility for failing to counteract evil.
If a cook at a restaurant fails to perfectly clean his station and someone gets sick as a result, it wasn't his will that the customer gets sick, but it was by his permission and is his responsibility.
Personally, I don't think God's all that interested in human suffering one way or the other.

>>18202693
I'm a Christian so I believe what Christ said about the Holy Spirit
I think that God is involved in human affairs, otherwise we wouldn't be where we are but in a much worse place

>>18202697
What do you consider intervention to be? What is it that the holy ghost does, day to day, to be considered involved in human affairs?

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>>18202706
speaks to believers, shows them the way, helps by making good things happen or bad things not happen depending on God's Will
God is always in control and has already won with Christ's Resurrection
The Holy Ghost is here for our sake, not as God's vanguard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov
If this guy had gotten cancer in his childhood, we wouldn't be here

>>18199738
God didn't do that, the parents and the country they live in did

>>18202734
>God is always in control, has already won
What did Christ win?

>>18199738
Because he's hecking based.

>>18202746
Nothing for Himself
the Kingdom of Heaven for us

>>18202755
He didn't expel the devil and his demons from the earth, and did he remove sin nor its temporal consequences, just the eternal ones.
I think Christ's blood was shed entirely so that God could tolerate direct contact with sinful man without compromising his holiness, as a kind of mediating factor.
And I think this is the devil's world, the ownership of which God respects for some unknown reason.

>>18202768
and he didn't remove sin**

>>18202768
the eternal ones is a pretty big achievement considering we won't remember any of the sufferings of this life
But he also left us the Holy Spirit and everything good that happens or bad that doesn't happen is a consequence of the Holy Spirit
Satan does not own this world, no matter what he tries
he fears the name of Christ, as do all unclean spirits

>>18202591
Oh, the best of? In a rimbombant list concocted by people who cant listen to every band out there? I always like these commercially tilted lists

>>18201576
Bc God and Christ ask you to, and you may want to please them. But you do you my anonymous brother

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>>18202812
Case in point, CoF, a very commercially inclined band, so it's very popular, and sonetimes shows up in top hue lists, but not always, as it's black metal and you cant show it certainly in some places.

https://youtu.be/yadgRtWoCdg?si=RDkUnxGhEHm3k7QC

Post any metallica song, Metallica's Master of Puppets ought be 100's times better, as they are oftenly top 10, not just top hundred. (If cradle manages).

So, we can even claim religious persecution, which is a his-sensible topic.

Here's Watain, less comercial than Filth and Metallica:

https://youtu.be/79Ho1R71FHM?si=vRx4Bo5_lC6Ju0Ok

https://youtu.be/Y1cFrJid9A4?si=tl28dz-_DYJ6anDB

They are just first tracks on album, not curated by some list of top tens.

So historically, wether you accept my religious belief that I have a lhp achievement that turned me into a tenebrous being, whats the reason (jews) for so many Deceitful top kek lists?

>>18201667
>God made you to poop on your face while he rains champagne on me, no demiurges here.
I think we left an archon alive on 4chan

>>18202768
It's a blood pact, blood is shed to make a pact between you and demiurge, Demiurge gives you nothing and you bend over and give up your Spirit in the ultimate cuckoldry.

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>>18202834
See, this cuck enabler and his spiritual family are the reason I call myself a demon.
First, it's left Hand Path, then gnosticism, horror based. Hell based.

>>18202648
nothing, all you can do is cope because theres nothing else
suicide is also a cope btw