How come there are so many soldiers who were dedicated anti-communists and spent their whole life fighting its expansion, but you don't hear about many communists who spent their whole life trying to spark revolution in the same manner? The most famous would be Che, but I can't think about many others.
>>2536742>How come there are so many soldiers who were dedicated anti-communists and spent their whole life fighting its expansionThere are not. At least not the ideological ones.>but you don't hear about many communists who spent their whole life trying to spark revolution in the same manner?You didn't grew up in 2nd world, did you? Then the answer would be that your gov. doesn't want you to know.
>>2536742> but you don't hear about many communists who spent their whole life trying to spark revolution in the same manner?The Soviet Union, Eastern Bloc, China, North Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Africa all had these.
>>2536742op means to imply commienism was just for educated jews brainwashing the pure innocent white flock
>>2536742who are the dedicated anti-communist fighters you refer to
Because communism is an inherently evil ideology and the righteous will always fight it.
>>2537055>jewsYou mean l*tvians, right?Everyone knows the commientern was the progeny of scatvian evil and moskal stupididty.
>How come there are so many soldiers who were dedicated anti-communists and spent their whole life fighting its expansion, but you don't hear about many communists who spent their whole life trying to spark revolution in the same manner?Because communists actually won, and the guerrillas became leaders.fascists just got BTFO
>>2538586>everyone who isn't a commie guerilla is a fascist Yes this is actually how they think
>>2537039Most Soviet war heroes were just rebranded Russian nationalists, nobody after Stalin really gave much of a shit about Marxism other than as a cover story.
>>2537067Get over yourself, you self-righteous dickhead.
>>2538617Lol check out American college campuses. There are tons of retards into marxism right now.
>>2538596The Poles weren't but the guys in SS uniforms there literally were
>>2538633Uncle Mao wants YOU to follow the communist dream on a Venezuelan forced labor farm!
>>2538651JFK wants YOU to defend capitalism by murdering Vietnamese rice farmers and their families.
>>2536742Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Kim Il-Sung, Che, Ho Chi-Minh, Pol Pot, Jose Eduardo dos Santos, Samora Machel, Enver Hosha, Tito, Wilhelm Pieck, Boleslaw Bierut, Matyas Rakosi, Bela Kun, Gheorghiu-Dej, Daniel Ortega, Schafik Handal, and Georgi Dimitrov can all be called professional marxist revolutionaries.Just most of them ended up coming to power.Basically, read a book. Course OP is probably a crypto-/pol/ so that explains a lot
>>2538690No seriously your comrades in Venezuela need your help.They fucked up socialism, AGAIN LOL, and are literally starving from their collapsed economy, AGAIN LOL. Forget arguing with capitalists in a safe, wealthy capitalist country.Go! Go live the commie faggot dream and slave away picking strawberries in Venezuela because yet a other group of people were stupid enough to actually try it.Your comrades need your help.
>>2538700Wow, all those successful revolutions and yet none of those States remained viable after the revolts.It really raises my flags
>>2538717No seriously your fellow freedom lovers in Somalia need your help.They fucked up capitalism, AGAIN LOL, and are literally starving from their collapsed economy, AGAIN LOL. Forget arguing with socialists in a safe, wealthy mixed economy country.Go! Go live the libertarian faggot dream and slave away hijacking container ships off the coast of east Africa because yet another group of people were stupid enough to actually try it.Your freedom lovers need your help.
>>2538756Somalia? That's all you got?Lame
>>2538765Hmm it's like showing a dog a card trick.
>>2538774Look I get it. You're an idealist. You can plant yourself on the bones of every single failed commie experiment and really not notice all the corpses behind you.You have that idealistic and naive ability to completely ignore every sign from the past and sincerely ask for one more shot at commie horseshit.It's not that you're mean spirited or want people to all die after killing their entire culture.You're just actually stupid enough to think it can finally work. This time.
>>2538800Try education. For your enlightenment:"We can further break down capitalism into “private capitalism” and “state capitalism,” which represent two extremes- one in which private, profit driven firms hold all the capital and do all the investment, and one in which the state holds all the capital and does all the investment. All countries in the world fall somewhere on this spectrum, thus all countries are “mixed economies.” Notice that countries associated with Communism in popular imagination- the USSR, Maoist China, etc.- were never socialist or communist, they were just very, very state capitalist.There are no socialist countries where workers actually hold the means of production nationwide. Similarly there are no small c-communist countries, as that implies statelessness, it’s a contradiction in terms. There are four or five Communist (big C) countries- countries where a party that calls itself Communist or Marxist-Leninist is in charge: China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba and possibly North Korea. North Korea is a debatable case, as all references to socialist/communism were dropped from its constitution in 1972 and all references to Marxism-Leninism were dropped in 1992. North Korea’s official state ideology is Juche ideology, which is the philosophy written by Kim Ilsung. Regardless, as of 2016, all of these countries are mixed economies. The system of China, Vietnam and, increasingly, Laos have a very large role for private capital within their state capitalist system. Cuba is very strongly state capitalist (the opening of relations with the US may change that, stay tuned) although Raúl has expressed some interest in experimenting with socialism (worker-owned enterprises) as a means of reform. Even North Korea is state capitalist. The past decade has seen experiments with private agricultural markets. The massive, 104-story Ryugong Hotel in Pyongyang was financed largely by an Egyptian cell phone company."
>>2538817Look you naive little monster I...No one wants to read your tldr commie shit. Okay? It has no record of success. You're naive and a bit autistic as well.
>>2538832And you are a brainwashed pituitary retard that will accept no information that challenges your fragile little mind's worldview.Fuck off, you prick.
>>2538841It has no record of success. You're naive and a bit autistic as well.Good day sir
>>2538850Get tae fuck.
>>2538857Look, I don't have to read every book by L. Ron Hubbard to know Scientology is a bad system of religion.And I don't need to read every book by Marx to know that Communism is a bad system of government.I'm sorry it's never worked and has only turned out disastrously for all concerned. I'm very sorry.Maybe you should take it up with other naive morons who somehow STILL want to give it another try.
>>2538730Communism being a success isn't the point. The point is these people were fanatical Marxists and fought for it like the guys in OP related. It didn't become life-long because they won.
>>2538874>y-your just Naive >refuses to read about the thing he despisesClassic.
>>2538756>gee somalia would definitely be better under socialist rule and definitely wouldn't fuck up and collapse
>>2538890Oh for fucks sake I'm just glad that your generation is finally dying out so we can finally put your craziness to bed with you.You still want to LARP as a commie subversive then fine, LARP away in this wonderful capitalist society. You people are worse than furries at this point.
>>2538908>Wonderful capitalist society Wonderful for whom?I have watched as my community slowly rots away from poverty. Time to wake up and smell the roses, boy.Alright hun
>>2538928>people near me are poor Oh shit why didn't you say so?!? Obviously what they need is a COMMUNIST REVOLUTION! Then they can be poor AND experience frequent shortages in food and goods.
>>2538946Oh but it's not just near me. Its all across the nation. It's not getting better. I never said anything about a revolution, but by all means continue to just be a belittling cunt instead of engaging in any kind of discourse.
>>2538946Not him, but it's not even the poor people within the societies that you claim are wonderful that suffer. The whole crumbling edifice of capitalism is built on oppression that is both domestic and foreign.As some previous anon noted, true socialism or communism has never been tried, so why are you so sure it would fail?
>>2538832>t-tl;dr y-you c-commie>being this beta
>>2538958Well if things are so bad for you why not move to one of your commie utopias like ________________ and ________________?I'm sure your highly successful comrades in _______________ can find room for another marxist.
>>2538966>As some previous anon noted, true socialism or communism has never been tried, so why are you so sure it would fail?Here we go with this meme again
>>2538966Oh no. It's another unironic commie in a capitalist nation.Why? Why do all these commies haunt capitalism? Go move to North Korea and leave normal people alone.Shoo commies. Shoo
>>2538946>muh food shortagesFood shortages are a function of capitalism you tard. Have you ever wondered why there are starving people even though we produce more than enough food to feed the world several times over. Don't pretend that you care about food shortages.
>>2538978That's a very funny, intellectually devastating cartoon. You've nearly won me over. >memeAll you have to do is tell me where and when true socialism was tried and failed, and I'll concede.
>>2538974Very witty. Enjoy your smug complacency.
>>2538984>Food shortages are a function of capitalismLol wut? Food shortages are a regular feature of all socialist states. But seriously why are you STILL in a capitalist nation right now?Get the fuck out. No seriously get the fuck out. Go be a communist in a communist State.Seriously fuck off.
>>2538989>>2538991Commies must go.Go be commies in commie places. Leave capitalism now.Shoo commies. Go join all your wonderful utopias now.
>>2538996>There are no socialist countries where workers actually hold the means of production nationwide. Similarly there are no small c-communist countries, as that implies statelessness, it’s a contradiction in terms.Where do I go, anon?
>>2539003Wait you mean to tell me you don't even have an example of success?You're more naive and pathetic than I thought.Well you can't stay in a capitalist State. That much is clear.
>>2539009I don't have an example of it even being tried. That's the point, anon.
>>2538996>If you don't like it leaveDo you realize how childish this argument is? Should we all just hop across the globe until find a country were satisfied with? Give me a break. >communist stateYou continue to show your ignorance of communism in general with this clear paradox. >Lol wut? Food shortages are a regular feature of all socialist states.You continue to obsess over muh food shortages yet ignore them entirely when they occur in capitalist countries. What are your thoughts on the millions across the globe starving in absolute poverty, in capitalist countries?
>>2539016Oh really then what were all the faggot revolutions about? Because all those violent murderous Marxists sure thought they were really trying it.
>>2539022It's not a childish demand.Go to one of your much vaunted successful commie nations. There must be many with the way you creeps go on and on about the wonders of marxist horseshit.Pick just one successful commieland and go be there.Stop living off the fruits of capitalism.
>>2539023I'm coming to the conclusion you don't have a fucking scoobie what you're on about.
>>2539029>Stop living off the fruits of oppression Fixed that for you.
>>2539036All the commie revolutions? Not ringing any bells for you? You know, all the times your stupid ideological forebearers actually won and got what they wanted?What ever happened to all those countries.... on right. They collapsed after much internal mass murder and suffering.That's what happened.
>>2539029It is childish. I have heard this argument time and time again from children like you. If I'm not happy with the way things are I will work to change them. I noticed you ignored the rest of my post, what's up with that?
>>2539039Yes little commie. Yes. Fly to your unknown utopias and bother those people with your horseshit. Go not be oppressed somewhere else.But you won't! You'll stick like a cancer 'being oppessed' in a good working capitalist state. Makig the rest of us miserable with your centuries old failed ideology
>>2538617>after StalinBecause Stalin was such a red-blooded commie. kek
>>2539045I think there have been revolutions that have ended up with people claiming to be communist at the helm. But, as has been patiently explained to you more than once, anon, and without any refutation from yourself, true communism or socialism has never been tried on any real scale in modern history.
>>2539047Stop being a subversive commie moron.Your ideology is retarded and doesn't actually work.You can't point to a single iteration you prefer to your current capitalist life.That's because you're naive and stupid. So very stupid.
>>2539056Go fuck yourself you marxist shithead.You had almost an entire century to make it work just one time, anywhere.You failed, your heroes are schmucks.
>>2539058And not a single argument was given.
>>2539058All you can do is respond with insults. How fragile your ideology must be if you can't even engage in a simple conversation .
>>2539066Wiping the spittle off your screen must be exhausting, anon.
>>2539067Hasn't worked even one time.Stop LARPing as a commie subversive. This isn't the 40's and you're not a greedy covetous bolshevik
>>2539075I'm not any kind of bolshevik. Good grief, anon. Don't you even know how to argument?
TIL commie throwbacks don't have a so single example of success to point to.Also, all the previous commie failures weren't their fault somehow.Also, they are so very oppressed under capitalism but won't go somewhere better.Basically commies in 2017 are LARPers without a single thing to recommend their ideology to an outsider.
>>2539087Yeah, that's what everyone thinks pretty much.Just smile at them and ignore them.
>>2539082No at this point he's just ranting and raving. Might as well turn this into /commiesubservive/ general.What institutions of Western civilization have you corrupted today, my fellow Bolsheviks? I distributed Marxist propaganda at a local college and I didn't even pay for parking
>>2539087Would you like some recommendations? I can set you up with some basic theory as well as other recommended works of literature.
>>2539093>drives a car >doesn't use the communal vehicle his commune leader's mom bought How bourgeoisie
>>2538817this is why im kinda more attracted to fascism if democracy ever fails (which it won't hopefully) it accepts the faults of man kind and although it can allow its absolute barbarity to often flourish under its watch it tries its hardest to keep some balance and offset degeneracy and in the end can be far more effective than communism.
>>2539096You're worse than scientologists are.You know that right? At least those fags don't have a global death toll.
>>2539050Dude stop being so triggered and ass hurt.
>>2539107Dude stop being a supporter of what is objectively the worst political system ever created.
>>2539098>pic related >>2539098More insults from the shit-flinging child. Somehow I am not surprised.
>>2538958>>2538966>Claims people are close minded>falls for the "it's not socialism or real communism it's state capitalosum" meme>ignores communism's complete failure as a system, thinks things would be better under Trotsky >>2538946>poor people sufferno shit senpai
>>2539099Well, anon, fascism certainly has been tried by failing capitalist states and has been shown to fail.If I might be bold, I think anarchism might be worth looking into for you. I think statism itself could be considered the real evil of the last few hundred years. It's what ties Mao, Stalin and Hitler together.
>>2539116Wait, wait, wait.You engage in oppression? Oh so the rest of Western Civilization is bad when they do it but it's OKAY for this guy because he masturbates to Das Kapital three times a week.Wow. You're a naive pathetic hypocrite who fails to live up any single ideal you claim to have.
>>2539087>TIL commie throwbacks don't have a so single example of success to point to.And you? Can you name an instance of capitalism that didnt bring out massive poverty and caused benefit for all?>Also, all the previous commie failures weren't their fault somehow.I'm not stalin/mao/che as you are not friedman/reagan etc.>Also, they are so very oppressed under capitalism but won't go somewhere better.Because we love our countries and our people you nationless faggot.>Basically commies in 2017 are LARPers without a single thing to recommend their ideology to an outsider.:^)
>>2539091>answering your own post
>>2539123Oh my god they all wore pants! Trousers are the true oppressive system. You sound like such a giant faggot.
>>2539122>all these strawmans and projectionsI'm more than happy to acknowledge that the great experiments of the 20th century ended in total failure. What interests me is why. You might have known this if you bothered to ask instead of just being a dummy.>meme memes blah blahnot an arguement
>>2539138>great experiments All those dead at the hands of your forebearers are a great experiment? Gross you're totally not self-aware.
>>2539126>You engage in oppression? Oh so the rest of Western Civilization is bad when they do it but it's OKAY for this guy because he masturbates to Das Kapital three times a week.>Wow. You're a naive pathetic hypocrite who fails to live up any single ideal you claim to have.At this point I'm not really sure what you're on about it, care to fill me in?
>>2539136The nation state isn't a fixed point in the spacetime continuum, anon. It's a three or four hundred year old con job, in my view and I maintain that its misuse has given rise to some of the worst and most recent barbarities.You do realise you're on /his, anon, don't you?
>>2539072maybe you should actually read up on some reasons why communism fails instead of continuing your bullshit
>>2539098>owning property somehow implies you would not share that with trusted members of your community.Anon; need i remind you it was jesus who said to give your things to the poor; not marx?
>>2539145>Gross you're totally not self-aware.And you have no grasp of the English language. Great is synonymous with significant you dip.
>>2539148You're not at all a commie. You're just a self-hating capitalist. I finally figured it out.
>>2539155>maybe you should read up on some reasons why communism failsInterestingly enough, i've spent a lot of time doing just that, maybe you should consider trying the same.
>>2539159I can't make heads or tales of what you're trying to say m8. I think you might be mentally ill. blockedalso >capitalist>doesn't own the means of productionskek
>>2539155I think you're the one who needs to do some reading, anon. If I'm mistaken and you have,then perhaps you should try forming some coherent arguments that synthesize your knowledge, because at the moment you're just coming off as a junior high know nothing blowhard.
>>2539099Fascism suffers from the same syndrome any totalitarianism does:-hyperactive followersAnd-retarded leadersEveyone tries so hard to be the special little snowflake under mr chairman/comerade/duce/fuhrer that they fuck up the plan.Also if your leader happens to be a braindead austrian or a sociopathic murderous asshole you are fucked because he's the leader; and he takes the ship with himself.
Truly an embarrassing level of debate from the capitalist defeners itt. I declare this a victory for gommunism
>>2539104>implying capitalism doesnt have a deathtoll
>>2539167You're not a commie at all. You have every opportunity to live as a communist would live and you routinely fail to do so.You live as a capitalist, just not a very good one.
>>2539113Damn; i can say the same to you dude. :( Perhaps is something subjective to think the other's system as the worse? ;)
>>2539023It'd be a far more valid criticism of communism to suggest that its use of revolutionary means to try to achieve communist ends lead to tyranny which only calls itself communism, than to autistically make this same tired argument again and again. After all, some European monarchs said they were divinely appointed by the Christian god, but their conduct says nothing about the truth or morality of Christianity unless you actually believe the divine right of Louis XIV was derived from scripture. Likewise, if private property is not abolished, but simply seized by a party or a dictator, then it's not communism. If a dictator enslaves the workers of the country, then the workers don't own or control the means of production - and that's what communism means. The conservative, Burkean argument against revolution is very sound. And I'm sure you could suggest something convincing about competition and the invisible hand could allocating resources more efficiently than workers cooperating. You might even call communism impossible. These are interesting arguments. But beating the Pol Pot dead horse, you're not winning. You're just embarrassing yourself.
>>2539126>being this high and foaming at the mouth that you dont even make sense anymorePerhaps you quoted the wrong post?
>>2539177This is a very conservative estimate http://www.petersaysstuff.com/2014/05/attempting-the-impossible-calculating-capitalisms-death-toll/It's 205 mil if you don't want to follow the link.>>2539178ur dumb and u have no theory. >You have every opportunity to live as a communist would live and you routinely fail to do so.Damn I've been able to seize the means of production this entire time and I didn't even know??>You live as a capitalist,>implying you can be a capitalist if you don't own the means of productionPlease. Just read a little bit. It doesn't have to be that much, maybe like a wikipedia page even. This is getting embarassing
>>2539192>I-it's j-j-j-just never been t-tried - The Post Fuck you dude. You faggots had your chance dozens of times. Dozens of times normal people followed you dorks off the cliff.And you STILL ask for more chances. >please humanity just give us one more chance ;_;FUCK KARL MARX AND FUCK COMMUNIST PEOPLE
>>2539155>says maybe you should read up>has already been called out to read out countless times and refuses toA U T I S M
>>2539202>FUCK KARL MARX AND FUCK COMMUNIST PEOPLEstunning and brave
>>2539195Whatever faggot keep telling yourself how oppressed you are with all the freedom you could possibly be given.
I have never seen such a temper tantrum in all my days posting about communism. Keep it up lads we might rid ourselves of a lumpen
Yeah. I'm abandoning thread. It's late here and I have to be up in the morning to continue smashing the state, comrades. And fix the sink in the bathroom.Ya basta!
>>2539159You are just a retarded autist who only know how to insult and drag out others into your game.Do yourself a favor. Read your posts again; notice how bad the argumentation is and change that before you come out as special to your own stormfag friends.
>>2539213Ayyy one of these centuries we might even really try communism. Until then lets continue to soak the earth in blood with revolution. If it fails we'll just say it wasn't communism haha.
>>2539174More like a self defeat by retarded capitalists tho
>>2539227I'll take it.
>>2539149muh internationalism >Huxley probs predicted what our world has become and his books society is probly what the ultimate incarnation of a communist system would really look like.
>>2539178>share my limited income amidst needy friends while teaching them hiw to maximise their capacity to satisfy their needs in a capitlist market system>implying that is not the maximum possible without owning the means of production and moving out of the realm of microsocialism into hardcore communalismAnon you might be retarded.
>>25392271. Communism has no successful examples.2. Commie scum in 2017 refuse to take responsibility for the blood soaked revolutions of their past. Even worse, they deny ownership.Your whole ideology is toxic and your people are scientology tier at this point
>>2539195Thanks for the link m8; will save it for future fash bashing
>>2539241>me and my friends are all poor >it's the fault of society >we are oppressed somehow>not legally or tangentially however>not physically or in any way that can be shown>just oppressed in a metaphoric senseTrash hippies. I'm arguing with trash hippies.
>>2539244>everyone who isn't a commie subversive >is a fascist Oh no. It's retarded :/
>>2539250>poverty isn't endemic to capitalismtop zoz
>>2539253no this is 4chanyou're a commie subversive or a fascist subversive, faggot.
>>2539256Capitalism: There will be losers. Some people will be poor due to consistently terrible life choices. Sometimes just random chance.Communism: The government will make us all poor together!
>>2539202Countless of times retarded men like you continued to believe that comunism and socialism was evil while headed straight to death by povery and famine.Countless of times your retarded system brought decadence; decadence which you blame on communist who try to keep the glory of our nation alive in the hands of the people and the workers.Countless times you continue to show that your autism gets in the way of your fact cheching.Please stop before you burst a blood vessel. We are just having so much fun with your retaded rants that its just pathethic from your part to keep going.
>>2539274>ifunnyWow this one was even better
>>2539274Watching modern commies refuse to take ownership of all the failures of the past really makes me angry.It's so intellectually dishonest.
>>2538906>>2539251Still better then modern Somalia by a fucking longshot. t. Reasonable person
>>2539275Let me tell you a secret anon.Communism will never work.
>>2539149>>2539240>huxley probs predicted.while I doubt that we'll see genetic engineering on the scale/kind Huxley describes I'm sure we'll see soma and other things being used to passify consumers.Internationalism as a whole I think will be assisted largely by globalization (which will industrialize currently backwards parts of the globe and introduce 1st world living standards and 1st-world hedonism. As automation makes the majority of the population redundant (even some temp work and construction jobs) we'll probably see UBI emerge simply to keep the peace..
Carlos Marighella comes to mind. He was a commie, through and through. He got killed before he could do more than spout rhethoric, though.
>>2539278>implying Leninists were communards.>5/10 made me reply
>>2539287>we'll probably see UBI emerge Cool, how much of the fruits of your labor am I going to be entitled to? You better work hard lol, I eat a lot.
>>2539290>founder of the ALN>kidnapped the U.S. ambassador to brazil>killed before he could do more than spout rhetoric
>>2539294I see. So in your opinion communism has no past. It's a blank slate. I am amazed.
>>2539211>freedomHaving to lock doors and fence my walls to keep thieves out>freedomHaving the free choice of dying of hinger or dying of a disease out of my health plan>freedomTo study and waste my best years in a badly sketched education system where i have no say or influence even after completing it>freedomTo choose my master lord and savior who'll pay my wage and dictate my times even against my family's needs.>freedom"Because if i try to make my own business venture i "certainly" wont get analy raped by foregn enterprises who can just throw more chinese slaves at the issue.">freedom"Because "certainly" if my state happens to corrupt itself to a corporatist lobby i have powers in me to stop that dont i?"
>>2539277It was Google images, what can I say>>2539280And modern Somalia is the product of post-Marxist rule.Hilariously, Commies always BIRTH their own worst enemies. Fascists are almost always reactionaries to Marxists falangists and Nazis began their inception as fighters against anarchists and communists.Reds can't just leave a decent center-right republic alone.
>>2539238Are you a bot dude? You are repeating yourself mindlessly.
>>2539306Haha you're right with that attitude you're already finished.Might as well just kill yourself lol. See you're poor and you have a shitty attitude. I am not poor and I have a positive attitude.Maybe all communists always were was poor faggots with bad attitudes? Makes sense.
>>2539301Forgot about that thing with the ambassador.
>>2539315You forgot about a lot of things
>>2539250More like >i'm not poor>i see poor people>i know they are worth helping>they return the favor whenever they can>tfw this does not happen if you do the capitalist correct thing and keep the money to wank yourself with it.
>>2539306>freedom To fight against gravity that will inevitably hold me oppressed on this earth?>freedomTo wake up every day when my mom comes in to tell me to get a fucking job?
>>2539253>implying stormfags dont use similar retarded arguments but with more sources and less autism
>>2539319What about the pigeons anon?Do you go out of your way to feed those beggars too?
>>2539306>tfw Marx, Lenin, Trotsky all had this piss poor attitude Explains a lot actually
>>2539270More like:>Capitalism:A grown elite will rise from the broken bones of the poor people and solidify its regime by spreading racist lies and elaborate separstism; seeking profit no matter the collapse it may cause to the state or its people or the economy.>Communism:People will have the chance to live the full reward of the work they've done. We'll be capable to rise industrially and functionally above the insecurities of oir feudalist systems. Plus we'll choose the path of our nation together in wisdom.
>>2539274>when your retarded system fails and causes widespread poverty but its ok because it was a market failure so you give money to bankers to fix the economy but your retarded system fails and causes widespread poverty...
>>2539278Gr8 b8 m8 5/8
>>2539282Let me return the favor: Capitalism won't either. Lets wait for the next crash together bb?
>>2539343>People will have the chance to live the full reward of the work they've done. Actually rewards will be distributed regardless of individual effort. All are rewarded for all the work done.>We'll be capable to rise industrially and functionally above the insecurities of oir feudalist systems.This is pure speculation based on no evidence form the present or past. It's literally a nice lie.>Plus we'll choose the path of our nation together in wisdom.Actually the Party will do all that for you. You'll just kick back and play with rivets in a huge factory. Or maybe you can be a skilled plumber. You never wanted to be a plumber but the state needs them so you got mandatory training.
>>2539302Also applies to capitalism... either you agree its a modern new thing; or you agree that the thousands of deaths from poverty and colonialism apply to capitalism.
>>2539362It's funny since every aspect our lives is due to the capitalist system.Meanwhile communism has never actually been tried (according to amnesiac communists)
>>2539375No one on the planet is so full of shit as to claim capitalism had never been tried.But every commie on earth seems to claim that communism has no past. It's the ideology of the amnesiacs. >ayyyyy comrade remember that time when>NO! No! That never happened we have no past to remember ;_;
>>2539314Tbh i'm middle class for my country; well educated; has good prospects for work after finishing my career in engineering soon. But when your country is so fucked up that not even doctor has the chance to earn a decent liveable income you have a dillema in your hands: Capitalism failed you. You are in the best position possible withoit being a politician cock sucker or a foreign corporatist. And still; its not fair for you. What does that say to your glorious system you idiot?
>>2539390>not even doctor has the chance to earn a decent liveable income?
>>2539322>no need to fight gravity if you are in space>no need to go look for a job if you have a honorable title and plenty of options to even go solo and make an enterprise by yourself.
>>2539324When i'm older and there is no actual humans to take care of anon. Y'know. Caring. You understand that right?
>>2539328>not wanting to better your society>not looking out of the window; see riots and protests and instead of thinking its okay/rooting for a side; thinking its unnecessary.>not wanting to leave a decent future for your people in the land god made for your people.
>>2539366>i understand communism trust me.>what have i read about it?>Does the black book of communism count?>ummmm...
>>2539415>communism >God lol it sounded good for a second there
>>2539420You're like a scientologist.>you just haven't read the collected works of L. Ron Hubbard
>>2539380>forgeting mutual funds>forgetting work hour limits>forgetting lack of child labor in civilized countries>forgetting healthcare provision>forgetting trade unions>forgetting non fixed wages>forgetting minimum wage>forgetting labor laws in general>forgetting social work and programsAnon...
What makes commies do this?They have literally no successes to show and yet they doggedly espouse their ideology day after day.But why? They can't be this intellectually bankrupt can they?
>>2539387So you admit you dont fucking care to support a bloody ideology resonsible for millions of deaths even now and today?Oh and also; having the guts to call out communists on "omg so many dead people"
>>2539434Why? Why are you such a naive idealist?
>>2539397Income inequality sucks aint'it? Even valuable members of society are worth less than cockroach capitalists who only sink the economy further on stagnation...
>>2539422>OMG COMMMUNISM CANT BE CHRISTIAN REEEEEAnon; ffs come on.
>>2539425And you are like an autist.
>>2539445Are you joking? Karl Marx's autistic commandment was to Destroy Capitalism (because he was a poor jewish loser with no money) and Dethrone God (because he was an immoral jewish loser with no faith).Communism is and was cultural judaism. It's an attack on host societies.
>>2539432>thread where capitalists proceed to fail at even offering basic facts to back tjeir claims>omg commies are retarded am i r8? :Dalso>(you)
>>2539449How can you have an opinion on Scientology without reading all of L Ron Hubbard's books?Or, as you say itHow can you have an opinion on Communism without reading all these communist books?
>>2539440You as well my friend. Why you defend something so obiously bad, and plus vitriolicaly try to bash any other point; getting bashed instead?
>>2539454What makes you do this?You have literally NO reason to assume your meme ideology would work. In fact, it's failed in disastrous ways time and time again.Seriously why do you persist?
>>2539453...First of all>Marxism=CommunismNo; just no.Second:>"Cultural judaism" "attack on host societies"...and you say you are not a /natsoc/?
>>2539457I could understand of you had one example of communist success.But you do not. You have nothing to indicate that your ideology would be successful and a whole slew of failures to indicate it will not work.
>>2539456Never said all of them; but you said you had read NONE of them. And even of you did; you have been so absolutely clueless rn that you surely either have read nothing; or your knowdlege of communism comes from memes and several pages long manifestos of anticommunists assorted.
>>2539459Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto....Never mind. Commies are now empirically insane. They have no past and no one that started their ideology was actually a communist.Madness. Crazy people.
>>2539458The modern society is so fucked up that i preffer commies than demsocs or christian dems.... i used to be a christian dem...
>>2539467All I have learned in this thread so far is:1. Communism has never actually existed or been tried. All the commies who revolted and started wars to install communism were liars. 2. Karl Marx, author of the Communist Manifesto, is also NOT a communist somehow.Apparently there have never been any communists at all. Ever.
>>2539460The same for capitalism; you guys hve a long trail of bones behind you.I may have romantical crushes with some socialist tries of the past (democratical communism in a republic like allende's chile) but it does not reflect the entirety of the commies so i dont mention it much.
>>2539469>implying the only capitalism is adam's smith "wealth of nations">Implying ideologies dont evolve.
>>2539472There have been communist movements. There havent been communist governments.Modern communism is not the same as 1900's communism as 1900's capitalism is not the same as modern capitalism.Its simple; you just WANT to have something to tease my balls with.
>>2539482>It will work THIS time - The Post
>>2539500>repeating yourself autistically; the thread
>>2539502Its literally your argument though.With no success in the past you are so fanatical that you desperately have to believe that it will work this next time.It's nothing but faith. You have faith like any other religious fanatic.
>>2539319not that anonbut have you ever been around poor people?, at least city poor people are the worst people you will ever meet.
>>2539506Its rather ironic since Commies insist that their religion is "scientific and objective as heck bruh".
>Make thread about soldiers and their dedication to their beliefs and wonder why I hadn't heard of many dedicated socialist/communist soldiers>Turns into autistic commie/anti-commie shitflingingI just wanted to talk about warriors dedicated to fighting for a cause.