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When did it all go wrong for Mexico?
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>>3494523
Mexico was never stable. It was constantly plagued by unrest and revolution.
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>>3494523
When this dude die
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>>3494523
Dictator after Dictator after Dicatator after Dictator.

A country can only support a megalomaniac with no idea how to spend a countries treasury wisely only so many times.
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The moment that they declared independence
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>>3494523
Soon.
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>>3494523
Never?

Mexico today is better in absolute and relative terms than it ever has been.
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>>3494582
this tbqh

Mexican history is kinda sad.
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>>3494574
Sooner.
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>>3494759
That’s not what changing demographics say
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>>3494794
? Do you actually think Mexicans living in the United States want to go back to Mexico?
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>>3494812
>the joke
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>your head
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>>3494574
>>3494759
>NOW
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>>3494847
Who owns South-America then?
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>>3494826
It wasn't even a joke though
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>>3494853
The South Americans
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>>3494883
:(
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MEXICO WAS BORN IN YEAR EIGHTEEN HUNDRED TWENTYONE, WHEN AGUSTÍN DE ITURBIDE CONSUMMATED INDEPENDENCE, ESTABLISHING MEXICAN EMPIRE.

MEXICO DIED IN YEAR NINETEEN HUNDRED TWENTYTHREE, WHEN ÁLVARO OBREGÓN RATIFIED "TREATIES OF BUCARELI", LINQUISHING THE NATION TO RAPACIOUS MINIONS OF ZIONISM, DELIVERING IT TO VIRTUAL SLAVERY.

IN YEAR TWOTHOUSAND EIGHTEEN, MEXICO WILL BE REBORN, WHEN ANDRÉS MANUEL LÓPEZ OBRADOR RISES TO NATIONAL LEADERSHIP, INITIATING PROCESS OF REGENERATION OF THE NATION.

A V E · O B R A D O R
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The war of independence was too long and devastating leaving a ruined government that was easy prey for expansionists like USA and European powers.
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>>3494759
Why Yucatán?
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>>3494523
Mexicans

The mestizo mongrels that populate all of former Spanish colonial America are nothing but morally corrupt tinpot dictators-in-waiting. Every single person.
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>>3495262
"almost all rulers not only in Mexico but in latinamerica have been criollos spanish born in the americas, the race is not a problem but the culture of corruption.

To confront criminals, we need to finish with corruption. If we don't do this, there is no hope. Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador
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>>3495238
Tourism!
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>>3495192
>Chavez supporter
>Solution to anything
Top kek

>>3495262
USA has more mestizos than my country, both in raw numbers and as a %
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_L%C3%B3pez_de_Santa_Anna

>"Santa Anna used a prosthetic cork leg; during the later Mexican-American War, it was captured and kept by American troops from the 4th Illinois Infantry. The cork leg is displayed at the Illinois State Military Museum in Springfield.[40] A second leg, a peg, was also captured by the 4th Illinois, and was reportedly used by the soldiers as a baseball bat; it is displayed at the home of Illinois Governor Richard J. Oglesby (who served in the regiment) in Decatur.[41] Santa Anna had a replacement leg made which is displayed at the Museo Nacional de Historia in Mexico City.[42]"

JUST
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>>3495192
>le mexico is bullied into treaty of bucareli meme
>le its americas fault Mexico doesn't develop technology
>lets ignore treaties aren't actually enforced by any international policing body
>lets ignore that it was never actually ratified by any legislative body
>lets completely ignore Mexico's patent office
Mexico is shitty all on its own.
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>>3494574
>no southward expansion at all
Does Mexico fear the Guatemalan warrior?
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>>3494523
>Where did it all go wrong for [Latin American nation]
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Poor Mexico, so far from God and so close to the USA
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>>3495547
They fought a war with mayan rebels for around 80 years. It's all jungles, mountains, sinkholes, heat and rain down there and just generally not fucking worth it.
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>>3495581
Canada and the Bahamas seem to be doing just fine. Maybe it's because there people actually hold their leaders accountable for advancing their country towards prosperity and dont use the US as a way to mask their own collective incompetence.
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>>3495597
Canada is America lite
Bahamas is irrelevant
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>>3495608
Who gives a shit they're both prosperous and fit the same stupid analogy as mexico.
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>>3495597
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>>3495615
And entirely out of reach of justice.
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>>3495615
Maybe you should try not sucking. Then it wouldn't matter who you're close to.
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>>3495638
>>3495625
Can’t wait
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The North states have nothing in common with the rest of the country. Secession when.
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>>3494523
This nigga.
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>>3494538
Thread/
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>>3495238
Justo Sierra O'Reilly
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>>3495919
Biggest meme in Mexican History.
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>>3495613
Bahamas is a nigger land that only has wealth due to tourism.
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>>3494523
The United States of America.
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>>3494523
>upper middle income country with living standards well above the world average
>industrialized economy
>life expectancy comparable to mid tier European countries like Poland and Estonia, only a couple years below the US
>crafted distinct and strong national identity out of dozens of different native tribes and immigrant groups
>genuine democracy
>kept pace with its richer northern neighbor on social issues e.g. banning slavery in the early-mid 19th century and granting women suffrage in 1919
>unified everything between the Rio Grande and Rio Grajlava
>won wars against France, Spain, Austria, and various secessionist/rebel movements
>second largest country in the Western Hemisphere in terms population
>one of the top fifteen largest economies on Earth (comparable to Russia) with a high growth rate since the mid 90s
>projected to become the world's number five economy in the next few decades
>rapidly improving on every metric

Mexico's shittiness is largely a meme. It can be better, but by world standards it's a successful country by any reasonable definition.
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>>3494523
Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna
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>>3494523

When the spaniards became anti-intellectuals, wich they then inherited into all of their colonies.

We have an elite that has never identified themselves with the rest of the population. They hate us. It literally cannot work this way, only genocide (of the elites) could fix this country.
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>>3494538
>>3495951
>puppet king put in place by invaders
>expect to be accepted because of good intentions
fuck him.

Porfirio Diaz did everything he wanted to, and better too.
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>>3495483

There is literally nothing wrong with being a chavez supporter senpai. But being a Maduro supporter, well.... thats just sad.
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>>3494574

get fucked you nazi spic
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>>3494759
>blobbing

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>>3496203
Most if that is only true in few cities and regions of México. Locally, there are a lot of shitholes.
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>>3497805
even some rural cities are pretty bad.

most of the bajio in mexico is stuck in the 1970's development wise.
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>>3494523
Mexico was doomed from the start. Spain did not know how to effectively govern its colonies like the British did. From the get go Mexico was treated solely as a short term financial venture by the Spanish crown.
Once Mexico achieved independence it was treated as a bargaining chip to establish political alliances with other European powers and the people chosen to rule Mexico were little more than puppets.
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>>3496203
>Mexico's shittiness is largely a meme.
No Mexico is objectively shitty.
>upper middle income country
Wages are horrendously low compared to countries with similar economies. Wealth inequality is rampant among its population and grossly under reported.
>life expectancy comparable to mid tier EU countries
I'll give you this one, but this problem is Africa tier anyways so its not saying much.
>genuine democracy
Nepotism and corruption are synonymous with the Mexican government. Also Cartel infiltration of local law enforcement agencies across the nation. Cant even guarantee the safety of its citizens.
>kept pace with its richer northern neighbor on social issues
social liberalism is nice but hardly an indicator of a countries wealth or stability.
>unified everything / 2nd largest country
Their large population is mostly uneducated and impoverished. This is evident when its compared to similar economies. Mexico under performs in nearly every sector across the board.
>won wars against France, Spain, Austria
Not hard when you have a shared border with the US and there's an entire ocean your enemy has to cross just to fight you.
>one of the top fifteen largest economies
NAFTA. Massive nationalized oil reserves. Huge population and diverse markets thanks to its abundant resources. Mexico could easily be a current top 5 economy. but its too shitty to do it.
>projected to become world's number five economy / rapidly improving on every metric
Mexico has huge potential,but it always did and it's always been plagued by shittyness.
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>>3494812
Yes, there is more Mexicans quitting the U.S.A. than entering it
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mexico got fucked up by the cocaine trade and drug war and now corruption is so rampant that columbia and the whole pablo escobar story is small fry compared to the fuckin crazy shit that goes down rn
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Why did Mexico not embrace communism like South American countries tried to?
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>>3497771
This but cuck mestizos will defend wh*Toids unfortunately
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>>3498215
mexicans hate communism due to the civil war in the early 1900s, same feeling has stuck around. plus the population is incredibly religious/catholic.
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>>3498215
Perfect dictatorship
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>>3495238
Sisal production.
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>>3498215
Mexico knew it had to align itself with the US for Mexico to survive. Also commie sentiment wasn't as profound as in shit holes with fascist dictators. Mexico would just assassinate whoever did not adhere to favored political ideology its people. Also as other have said Mexicans are very conservative and devout Catholics. Atheism extremely taboo and would be universally shunned immediately.
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>>3498215
>Why did Mexico not embrace communism like South American countries tried to?
they defiantly tried to.

Mexico became the first country in the American continent to establish relations with the USSR
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>>3497805
>>3497815
You can say the same of the US and Canada, too. The only reason why it's more pronounced in Mexico is because there's less land between the shitty towns and the nice cities.
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>>3494523

When white people stopped running the place.
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>>3498400
Spaniards ran mexico before and after Juarez and look where the country ended up.

if anything whites fucked it up.
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>>3497774
>puppet king
You mean rightful Emperor?
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>>3498447
we was a foreigner put into power by an invading army.
he had no rights at all in Mexico.
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>>3498400
>when subhumans stopped running the place
How?
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Andalusians.They are a very artistic and poetic people but they are anything but civic.
Based Castillians only colonized Chile,Uruguay and Argentina and became the ony liveable places in the continent (until those countries were flooded by Italians and Galicians).It is pretty much the same shit in Spain.Castillian provinces=prosperous.Anywhere else=shit.
>inb4 Basques are not Castillians
They are the same people.In fact Basque people were the initial founders of the county of Castile with the mountain people.They even have the same kind of traditional customs and dances
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjIBE1yZbmI
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>>3498696
Andalusians didn't colonize anything, Extremadurans did.
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>>3498807
What a dumb name.
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>>3498807
>Andalusians didn't colonize anything
On the contrary. They didn't conquer the land. That was Manchegos and Extremadurians. But the 3 first waves of inmigrants to Mexico and Peru were from Andalucia. Which created the colonial society
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>>3498400
>Spanimoors
>White
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When they bucked Spanish rule.
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>>3494574
Does Mexico fear the Belizean>>3495547
warrior?
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>>3500104
>not knowing about the commonwealth offer Mexico made to Spain
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>>3496203
"Baning slavery in the early-mid 19th century". Yeah mate, tell that to Yucatán. Your entire post is horrendous.
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>>3500250
No takebacksies. Even the Spanish recognized that no one likes Mexicans.
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>>3494523
When they were incapable of holding their land since they didn't have a big enough population to do and decided massive immigration from the u.s would solve it
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>>3497774
Butthurt indio. Muh benito.
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>>3496203
Woman suffrage wasn't in Mexico until 1957 not 1919
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>>3495919
Funny, cause it was the Sonorans who came out on top of La Revolucion who fucked the country forever.
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>>3500250
>"hey, we're gonna break and declare our independence"
>"the fuck you are, prepare for war"
>*mexico wins, mostly because of Napoleon*
>"ok, fine, you can have independence"
>"cool... so, what now? we have no money and no plan..."
>"take us back please?"
>"fuck off"
I imagine this is how it went down.
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>>3497774
>muh railroads
Los scientificos were too intelligent to rule
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>>3494523
Texans and the US well equipped armed forces.
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when kingdom of mexico fought against spain. then decided to take over all over all the viceroyalty of new spain.

mexico since the 1910 revolution has been controlled by the socialist party.
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>>3497805
>Most if that is only true in few cities and regions of México
All statistics are averaged throughout the country. Huge disparities between areas happens everywhere. That's why in the USA you have places like San Diego which is idyllic and places like Flint which is literally third world tier (see also: many Appalachian communities).
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>>3497780
>Chávez did nothing wrong, it was Maduro all along
This is why Latin America is a fucking hellhole: People is stupid as fuck. Did you know that Maduro picked where Chavez left and continued his economic policies?
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>>3494523
Sometime around 1912
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>>3494523
It was doomed from the foundation when Cortes made the practice of intermarriage with the natives acceptable.
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>>3500422
you mean 1810-1821
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>>3494523
>Why did Mexico not embrace communism like South American countries tried to?
When their Version of George Washington died
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>>3495483
Argentina will never be white.
nice try, Argentina.
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>>3500451
what are PRI and PAN?
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>>3495526
kek
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>>3500459
>what are PRI and PAN?
Shitty parties.
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>>3497780
Venezuela's issues have long been expected since the rise of Chavismo. An economy so dependant on oil (more than 90% of the GDP), protectionist and filled with corruption can't prosper. It was a combination of failing oil prices and Maduro being unbelievebly retarded that accelerated the process
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>>3495526
>trys to be central american Napoleon.
>gets two of his legs stolen by militia
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>>3496203
>*cartel blocks your path*
>*gets beheaded*
Mexico has a violent death rate higher than countries with literal wars in them like Afghanistan and Iraq.
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>>3500465
cuba's plan worked too well.

Chaves and Maduro and their socialist movement are all the work of cuban intelligence. turning a larger, richer, and more populace nation into a client state.
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>>3500440
Mexico has been collapsing relative to its neighbors and competitors since 1912.
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>>3500475
Mexico does have a literal war in it.
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>>3495262
>>3495271
Also Chile is 65% mestizo and they're doing fine.
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>>3500475
Mexico is a poor corrupt latin shithole with a war raging through it.
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>>3500515
only through the grace of God Emperor Pinochet.
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>>3497774
Diaz a shit. Just imagine Max attracting shitload of German, Czech, Hungarian, Croatian and balkanscum immigration plus reforming mexican law to stop treating injuns as slaves, Mexico would be Brazil on steroids with the panama canal on the isthmus of Tehuantepec.
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>>3495526
>tfw visited museum
>tfw leg was being restored
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>>3500515
Chile is ruled by a Castillian-Basque-Jewish oligarchy
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>>3500625
Their last president was a mestizo who could trace his line back to the last Inca emperor Huayna Capac.
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>>3495262
Mexico is mostly white Hispanics though.
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>>3494543
This is the only good answer
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>>3500640
>President
>Sebastián Piñera es de ascendencia cántabranota 2 y vasca.12 Entre sus ancestros cabe mencionar, por línea materna, a su tatarabuela, Luisa Pinto Garmendia, una mujer culta y aristócrata, hermana del presidente Aníbal Pinto Garmendia e hija del presidente Francisco Antonio Pinto y de la patriota argentina Luisa Garmendia Alurralde, quien era descendiente del último emperador inca Huayna Cápac.
So basically a member of the Basque Castillian aristocracy with 1 native ancestor down the line (pretty common in America,even the US).Again you prove me right.Chile is ran by a Castillian-Basque oligarchy to this very day
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>>3494523

Not having a border wall to keep the white immigrants out of Texas.

(I shit you not. Immigrants from the 13 colonies came into Mexican Texas and then shit all over the locals and then demanded independence. Then their descendants get all uppity with Mexicans actually immigrating to once Mexican clay.)
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>>3500327
fuck Juarez he was just as big a traitor as Santa Anna
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>>3500552
>Croatian and balkanscum immigration
do you think this is a good thing?
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>>3500680
>(I shit you not. Immigrants from the 13 colonies came into Mexican Texas and then shit all over the locals and then demanded independence. Then their descendants get all uppity with Mexicans actually immigrating to once Mexican clay.)
this isn't news. anybody with a simple grasp on U.S. history knows this.
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>>3500680
There were no locals to shit on at that time. I shit you not all that land mexico held they held in name only and had no way of enforcing any law or order so they recruited white americans to do it for them
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>>3500717
>There were no locals to shit on at that time
explain the Mexicans who fought with the Texas then. were they made up? did no Mexicans live in Texas before 1980?
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>>3500717
oh and they didn't just up and demand independence one day, Santa Anna dissolved congress and made himself strong man and spent the rest of his career crushing rebellions against him(texas included) all across mexico
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>>3494523
>When did it all go wrong for Mexico?
with he U.S. backed assassination of Francisco I Madero.
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>>3500674
>So basically a member of the Basque Castillian aristocracy with 1 native ancestor down the line
He's clearly fucking brown.
>>3500680
Mexico encouraged Anglo immigration because no one lived there. They just weren't expecting the Eternal T*xan to declare independence and steal it. And they certainly weren't expecting the humiliating defeats they suffered as a result of Santa Anna's autism.
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>>3500724
>local mexicans get shit on by texans
>proceed to fight with oppresive texans against mexico
can't have it both ways anon
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>>3500737
>>Sebastián Piñera es de ascendencia cántabranota 2 y vasca.12 Entre sus ancestros cabe mencionar, por línea materna, a su tatarabuela, Luisa Pinto Garmendia, una mujer culta y aristócrata, hermana del presidente Aníbal Pinto Garmendia e hija del presidente Francisco Antonio Pinto y de la patriota argentina Luisa Garmendia Alurralde, quien era descendiente del último emperador inca Huayna Cápac.
>Sebastián Piñera es de ascendencia cántabranota 2 y vasca.12 Entre sus ancestros cabe mencionar, por línea materna, a su tatarabuela, Luisa Pinto Garmendia, una mujer culta y aristócrata, hermana del presidente Aníbal Pinto Garmendia e hija del presidente Francisco Antonio Pinto y de la patriota argentina Luisa Garmendia Alurralde, quien era descendiente del último emperador inca Huayna Cápac.
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>>3500737
>They just weren't expecting the Eternal T*xan to declare independence and steal it
enough with this meme as i said in this post>>3500731
santa anna simultaneously caused and prevented the balkanization of mexico with texas the one state that actually got away. If anything the californian rebellion is a better example of immigrants stealing territory but more than that it shows how incompetent the mexican government was by not learning from their past mistakes
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>>3500743
i believe that other anon was talking about modern mexican immigrants being treated badly by Americans
however your post reminded me of a dirty little fact Americans want forgotten.

after Texas won it's independence many Mexicans were arrested, had their lands stolen, or exiled to Mexico because people said they still were loyal to Mexico.
Juan Seguin, a hero of the Texas Revolution was falsely accused of loyalty to Mexico, and exiled.
it's some real shameful shit.
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>>3500768
>i believe that other anon was talking about modern mexican immigrants being treated badly by Americans
>>3500680
>Immigrants from the 13 colonies came into Mexican Texas and then shit all over the locals and then demanded independence
no he was clearly talking about the very few locals that were living there at the time

for your other point it's not as black and white as you put it. While it was shameful how texans treated some of their tejano allies since they did know better, alot of the land seizures were happening along the border which was rampant with banditry that was likely being encouraged by the mexican government that was still hostile to texas and the US. There was a large amount of distrust among the americans toward anything related to mexico
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>>3500805
forgot to add americans settling along the border were not local texans but new arrivals as most texans didn't settle south of corpus or west of san antonio for fear of indian raids
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>>3494538
what did he do right to begin with?
nigga was dumb and weak
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>>3500828
he had good intentions and was white so people think he would have been able to fix a bankrupt and severely underdeveloped country while also making sure the French got their cut of the Silver, Gold and whatever other natural sorceresses Mexico had.
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>>3498171
>No Mexico is objectively shitty.
You don't know what objectively means
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>>3494847
>united mexican states
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>>3500428
This post and image are both retarded. Go back to your containment board.
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>>3495977
so is hawaii
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>>3494523
santa ana was a rural/suburban retard
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From the start.
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>>3494523
After independence




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