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>be Beatriz Kimpa Vita
>Congolese women
>Gets possessed by St. Anthony
>"JESUS WAS BLACK! KING DAVID WAS AFRICAN!”
>"ABRAHAM WAS CONGOLESE!”
>”RESTORE THE KINGDOM OF KONGO!”
>gets burned at the stake for heresy

Why isn’t this known more? Is this the first act of WE WUZ in contemporary history?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimpa_Vita
>Beatriz Kimpa Vita was a Kongo Empire prophet and leader of her own Christian movement, Antonianism, this movement taught that Jesus and other early Christian figures were from the Kongo Empire. Her teaching grew out of the traditions of the Roman Catholic Church in Kongo, and caused her to upbraid the Catholic priests for not believing as she did.
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>>3499999
Wewuzzing goes back at least to the Spartans claiming descent from Herakles
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>>3499999
>>3500000
Why blacks do this?
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>>3500004

The Roman general Fabius also claimed lineage from Hercules, as did Hannibal. Hannibal also liked to explicitly equate his crossing of the alps as being equal to a labor of Hercules, and thus proof of his lineage.
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>>3500008
You're black, you can answer
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>>3500014
>as did Hannibal
Source

Remember that winners write history and he probably talked about melqart
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>>3500014
Did Phoenicians/Carthaginians bring Greek gods/heroes into their pantheon?
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>>3500026
That's an interesting point, but the two were so similar that Alexander the Great wanted to worship at a temple of Melqart in Tyre.

Source: Anabasis of Alexander by Arrian
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>>3500008
Mental illness isn't just a white thing. I never get these generalizations when whites pull similar cult like shit. Wasn't there a guy in China that claimed to be Christ and caused the deaths of millions?
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>>3500026

>Source

"Carthage Must Be Destroyed" by Richard Miles. The book discusses the religious aspects of the Punic Wars in depth. For the Romans, the catastrophic loss at Cannae wasn't just a military disaster, it was spiritual crisis. At one point, it became a meme that the Goddess Juneau was supporting the Carthaginians, which caused the Romans to start performing very elaborate (and expensive) rituals to Juneau in order to woo the Goddess back. Both Fabius and Hannibal tried to claim that Hercules was their guy. Hannibal in particular liked to trumpet his heroic crossing of the Alps as proof that the gods (especially Hercules) favored him.
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>>3499999
>>3500000
>these gets
nice
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>>3499999
>>3500000
WE
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>>3500004
Qualitatively different.
Claiming that your kings or family are descended from a hero or god(s) from your own culture has nothing to do with claiming(stealing) the hero/prophet/achievements of another culture as your own.
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>>3500014
yeah but the Punics and Latins were at least the same family culture-group as the Greeks.

Plus claiming to be descended from a great Hero/God from another sister culture is not the same as claiming that other culture's heroes or accomplishments are actually your culture's accomplishments and not theirs.
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>>3500016
Sorry, im not
>>3500032
It was the reverse
>>3500102
He was referring to merqalt as romans and greeks associated merqalt with Hercules
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>>3500284
How?
Canaanites(known as Phoenician to greeks and punic to romans) were first
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>>3499999
If I had a dollar for every time someone tried to use the past to justify their nutjob political/religious agenda I would be on the Forbes 500.

>>3500284
>yeah but the Punics and Latins were at least the same family culture-group as the Greeks.
That's a completely arbitrary grouping made possible by two-thousand years of historical hindsight. If you asked a Classical Greek whether they were part of the same "cultural group" as the Romans they would've laughed in your face, and if you asked a Roman if they shared the Carthaginians' culture or vice versa, I would expect to get hit.
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>>3500326
>That's a completely arbitrary grouping made possible by two-thousand years of historical hindsight
maybe so, but also fuck you, because I live two thousand years later and get to do that.
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>>3500344
Then you're just as bad as people who make up fictional narratives about the past because it justifies their world view.
So fuck you.
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>>3500369
>putting Romans, Punics, and Greeks in a category because they share essentially the same Gods with minor variations, and all had strong ties with the Phoenicians through trade
>same as WE WUZ PHAROAHS AND JESUS AN SHIIIIIEEEET!!!!
okay fag. I accept they're all different groups, but they share a lot of cultural ties (Punics less so than Greeks and Romans).
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>>3500394
cannanites were first
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>>3499999
>>3500000
>those numbers
Wtf I worship congo jesus now
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>>3500304
>im not
ok
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>>3499999
You'll have to look at the Jews for the first WE WUZ.
>Be Canaanite tribes
>Develop monotheism based off of El, a Canaanite God
>Start hating other Canaanites for not being monotheists
>WE WUZ NOT CANAANITES
>WE WUZ SLAVES
>WE WUZ ISAAC N SHIET
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>>3500564
>and he calls middle easterners "shitskins" unironically with that skin tone
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>>3500014

Caesar claimed he was descended from Venus
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>>3500008
They have no history.
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>>3501131

They do, but it's all written in French. It's not a coincidence that all the Afrocentrists can only speak english.
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>>3500008
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WE
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>ywn be a kongolese priest and rape the heresy out of that sassy qt3.14 turning her into your loyal wife
why do we life
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>>3499999
Holy shit it's real
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>>3503115
lmao
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>>3499999
>>3500000
WE
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>>3501136
>>3501131

>they have no history

I wonder why that is...

im black and realized many blacks claim native american descent baselessly, and black women like to claim they were like cleopatra because thats the only egyptian woman they know when in fact cleopatra was macedonian

Its embarassing desu because our lack of history gave us this strage mentality where we try to fit ourselves in western history with no real place. Except great Zimbabwe and Muslims..

Whats sadder is in the 1400's bantu people rekt our primogeniture cultures and european powers rekt the bantu, so noone knows who we are for real so we try to fit in as Americans where we have no real cultural foundation except slavery. So we carry the slave history with us.

On the brightside we can imagine ourselves as descendent of the lost tribes of Israel.

so thats the struggle of black americans, no history, or traditional cultur to build on except that we create or adopt/claim.

Afrocentrists are niggers. They try to seek black power obviously by screeching "white devils" but they're just making it all up as they go along, like theories that more melanin makes them superior while claiming racial superiority doesn't matter if you're white. They even shit on integrating black men, and black women and white men hate when we rather take a white/asian woman as a mate so our children can identify somewhat to their mother's culture and not feel lost in the world.
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>>3499999
>>3500000
Ave Antonio
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>>3506065
The best route you can take is to probably make peace with the fact that people trying to uncover African history mostly aren't African and stay informed because there is plenty of history to be uncovered. Because there is so little written history left, I'd just try to get a comprehensive image based on archeology and anthropology. SSA seems to have discovered iron working all on it's own so probably there's plenty more culture to be discovered.
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>>3499999
>>3500000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonianism
>Antonianism was a syncretic Christian new religious movement formed in the Kingdom of Kongo between 1704 and 1706 as a development within the Roman Catholic Church in Kongo. Its founder was a young charismatic woman named Beatriz Kimpa Vita who said she was possessed by Saint Anthony of Padua.[1][2] Beatriz became known for healing and other miracles. It was eventually suppressed by King Pedro IV of Kongo, and Dona Beatriz was burned at the stake as a heretic.[3]
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>>3500004
>implying wh*Tes were the first
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>>3500263
WUZ
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>>3499999
>>3500000
kek confirms
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>>3500008
cultural insecurity
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>>3499999 (checked)
>>3500000 (checked)
INGO BANGO BONGO I DONT WANNA LEAVE THE CONGO OH NO NO NO NO
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>>3499999
Saint Anthony is still huge in Congo. Many turn to him before Jesus or Mary.
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>>3510233
Catholics dont believe in jesus
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>>3510263
Seems like it from how they wank everyone EXCEPT Christ
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>>3510072
we have no secure culture. Slavery made sure of that, while were taught the history of people from countries who bought and sold us as slaves.

>try to identify with africans in africa, can''t because they're all confused as shit also due to colonialism from same people.

>Try to integrate with European cultures, get treated like niggers who should be divided and exterminated for having no culture of our own to immulate except theirs which well never be accepted in except through media and sports.

>tfw 70% single mother, not even our fathers want us.
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>>3510233
More proof Catholicism is pagan shit
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>>3500268
Yes, because Hercules was Roman/Phoenician.

American school system strikes again!
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>>3512500
Hercules didnt exist in canaanite religion, it was melqart
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>>3510931
>European cultures
Sorry, but while american culture have roots in various european traditions, it sure as hell isn't a "european culture" and you africans have no right to claim it as yours.
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>>3499999
>>3500000
check'd
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>>3508641
KANGZ
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>>3500032
Why would they want to worship wh*Te Gods?
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>>3510072
The polite answer




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