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>>3798973
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Adolf Hitler is the most prominent example that comes to mind.
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>>3798980
>>>/pol/
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>>3798984
I thoroughly dislike /pol/ because of their childishness and I believe people CAN have good qualities regardless of their ethnicity, but there are certain very strong correlations when looking at ethnicity and other variables. To word it mildly.

I stick to my opinion however. If you disagree, feel free to, I don't care.
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>>3798980
How? Even if you hate ze joooos you can't really think he's the good guy..
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>>3799000
Why not? When I see his two biggest enemies, the Americans and the Soviets, and what ravage they have brought to the world, I can quite confidently say that retrospectively, Hitler was absolutely the good guy.
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>>3798980
>is the reason for Communism occupying half of Europe for decades
>genocided tens of millions of people for no good reason and planned to genocide tens of millions more
>conquered nations for no reason other than living space for the German people
>took idiotic actions at each step actively sabotaging his own plans
>ensured American hegemony over most of the world for years to come
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>3798980 (((You)))
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>>3798980
epic win!
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>>3799206
>had a remarkable grasp of who the true enemies of the world were.
Poles and hohols?
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>>3798973
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>>3799286
jews, communists, americans
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>>3799206
>The Jews deserved the Holocaust
Holy fuck >>>/stormfront/
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>>3799206
>Communism was his biggest enemy, he warned the world of it, they didn't heed his warning.
They actually did heed his warning, unfortunately he decided to go to war against those who might have fought communism, thus making him the #1 threat instead of the communists.

>Jews have been a subversive element in Old World societies for millennia before Hitler decided to destroy them. They have been banished hundreds of times, throughout continents and throughout the centuries. But I guess they were never at fault, were they?
When you decide to kill babies for no reason other than their race then everyone's going to look at you as a bad guy, that's how it works.

>Oh yeah, and look at how well these Slavic shitholes in Eastern Europe are doing, nothing but leeches who have never in any significant degree contributed to humanity.
[Citation needed]

>Yeah, his loss led to American/Soviet global hegemony, which was bad (but it was the thing he sought to prevent in the first place)
Actually it was the things he caused in the first place. If he hadn't sperged out all over Europe there would be no American/Soviet global hegemony.

>in my view Hitler had a remarkable grasp of who the true enemies of the world were
And then he took every possible action to ensure that they accomplished their goals.

Hell, he helped the Jews more than he ever hurt them. Thanks to Hitler, anti-semitism and white nationalism became taboo and the Jews got their own state.
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>>3798973
Probably Napoléon Bonaparte
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Gracchus brothers.
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>>3798980
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>>3799341
Jews would have gotten Israel regardless of WW2, that was the result of WW1.

American hegemony was unavoidable, Soviet hegemony I'm not sure about.

Hitler fought a noble fight and lost. Big deal, almost all of the big guys ended up losing. Caesar got back-stabbed, Napoleon got defeated too, c'est la vie.
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>>3799332
literally the biggest Chad who ever lived
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>>3799380
>reeeee koba why u kill
lol
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>Long/Coughlin presidential ticket never ever
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>>3799642
>American hegemony was unavoidable, Soviet hegemony I'm not sure about.
Without eastern Europe the USSR would be significantly weaker and unable to exert as much influence as they did.
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>>3799374
>outnumber Caesar
>retreat into a hill fort
>another relief force is coming, together you outnumber Caesar 3 to 1
>get obliterated and surrender
>"good guy"
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>Epirotean empire covering Greece and Italy
>Hellenic empire with unlimited manpower
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>>3799755
Nothing of what you said debuffs the Good Guy Statement.
Brainlet.
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>>3799056
so it's your belief that hitler saw the cold war coming, and tried to intervene to prevent it by stopping the two would be world powers before they achieved nuclear power? Interesting thought
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>>3798980
Wew lad

Well /his we made it to 2 posts..
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>>3798973
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>>3799339
>>The Jews deserved the Holocaust
>Holy fuck >>>/stormfront/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hem96KPL0_8
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>>3800135
he literally won
not one of the conspirators lived two years after his death
augustus and agrippa carried on his legacy
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>>3800199
Get out of my thread please..
Fucking retard
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>>3798980
get rekt libtards
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>>3799755
>>outnumber Caesar
The Romans outnumbered the Gauls.
>relief force
They actually broke through Caesar's lines but then he shifted his men in a circular retreat within the fort walls. Which caused a war of attrition, a fight no one has ever won against the Romans.
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>>3800316
Cry more faggot
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>>3798973
>not Cicero

Filthy popularis
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>>3799648
you can literally smell his neckbeard stench
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>>3799003
This
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>>3799181
>>3799181
>ensured American hegemony over most of the world for years to come
Guess hitler was the gud guy
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>>3799797
I had a Europa Barbarorum 2 campaign as Epirus where I fulfilled victory conditions by uniting all of Greece and Macedonia, conquering all of Italy save for Lilybaeum, moving on to the Balkans, then reconquering Western Anatolia from the invading Dacians. From there I subdued the Dacians completely in their Homeland, pushing all the way to Crimea and finished the campaign conquering the remaining Greek islands.
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>>3800281
He still died anon :(
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>>3798980
hitler was the worst thing to happen to white nationalism
have no idea why you faggots worship him
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>>3800778
Because they wanna seem edgy and contrarian.
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>>3799797
Poor Pyrrhus, finally died when a tile was thrown at him

What a tragic loss!
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>>3800509
In a way, yes. Hitler was one of the greatest things to ever happen to America and globalism.
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>>3800931
>globalism
good slave.
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>>3800941
Not sure why you're attacking me, Hitler is the one who ensured the world would become globalist.
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The bad guys won
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he would have prevented the Korean and Vietnam wars
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Clearly Napoleon, Europe would have been unified and would be today's superpower.
Just imagine all the most powerful countries of the time working together
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>>3800977
Honestly Chiang needed to go if nationalist China was ever to win. He was damn good at keeping power over his own party, but he turned the economy and civil administration into a corrupt mess with no direction.
The ROC needed their own version of Park Chung-Hee: someone who could keep order and stand against the communists, but also put the country on a positive upspin economically, that would give the public something to defend, and have stake in protecting from the reds.
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>>3799181
>genocided tens of millions of people for no good reason and planned to genocide tens of millions more
>implying there's ever a good reason

Those who deem the indiscriminate extermination of entire ethnic groups, down to babushka-clad grandmothers and schoolgirl in attics, necessary for national security do not make for disciplined, principled or rational leaders.

The very fact they entertain such notions shows they no possess the mental faculty to be fair, impartial, and just rulers. You're expecting far too much of them.
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>>3801005
I did forget to add that eventually, Taiwan DID in fact get this kind of leadership during Chiang's later years and especially under his son's administration, but my point was more that they needed this during the 40's before they lost the mainland.
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>>3801022
>inb4 drumpfies triggered
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>>3801022
>reddit
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>>3801005
>>3801027
desu it would've required near-herculean efforts to unfuck the Chinese economy post-ww2, it was a real mess. Wang Jingwei would maybe have been a decent candidate, had he not defected.
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>>3801022
>gets cucked by the DNC, BLM, and Hilary
>takes it like a bitch
truely the embodiment of a social democrat
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>>3801038
drumpfies 100% triggered
pol ruined this thread
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>>3801048
>thinking cuck sanders is even still alive
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>>3801046
>socialism is bad
yeah we're done here
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>>3801061
>>3801048
>>3801022
(you) (you) (you)
(you) (you)
(you)
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>>3801061
t. brainlet who doesn't know the difference between social democracy and socialism
>>>/plebbit/
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>>3801048
>>3801059
>implying it matters who wins the election
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>>3799755
So what would you have done to beat Caesar?
You have 80,000 men and he has 60,000.
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>>3801353
Invent guns and win
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>>3799797
I never thought of it like that holy fuck
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>>3799755
>Ceasar, the guy killing and enslaving gauls including allied gauls for literally no reason other than to get out of debt and further his political career
>vs the guy who is trying to save his people and his homeland from blood thirsty invaders as the leader of a hastily formed confederation of small tribes and polities
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>>3798980
>>3798980
go fuck yourself you brainlet neckbeard
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>>3800778
I'm not any racial nationalist and think he closest to being a "good guy" compared to other leaders of that time tbeh
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>>3801014
>Those who deem the indiscriminate extermination of entire ethnic groups, down to babushka-clad grandmothers and schoolgirl in attics, necessary for national security do not make for disciplined, principled or rational leaders.
>The very fact they entertain such notions shows they no possess the mental faculty to be fair, impartial, and just rulers. You're expecting far too much of them.

Stop believing in the judeo Bolshevik lies, they weren't innocent
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>>3802137
Ohai Vercingetorix, how's Alesia?
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>>3800790
Other way around tbqh
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>>3799056
You mean like curing polio, inventing the internet and all that?
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>>3802264
Not liking Hitler makes you edgy and contrarian?
Are you retarded?
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>There are people who unironcally believe Hitler was the good guy.
I thought it was just a meme, what the fuck?
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>>3799003
this
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>>3798973
The true successor of the Greeks
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>>3802375
There are two kinds of people who like Hitler, idiots who think that he never genocided anyone, and psychopaths who think that killing Jewish and Slavic children is perfectly fine because at some point in history Jewish and Slavic people did something bad.
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>>3802396
I think you mean precursor, anon
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>>3802431
first of all, right after the Persian-Greek war of 479 B.C.E pretty much Greeks started infighting again there was peace for a relatively small time. But, because Greeks love to bash phalanxes together like a bunch of oiled up faggots they eventually fought again. Third of all Rome raped Greece so you can hold on to your gay little phalanx while the Romans outmaneuver you every time with their maniples you non roman triplex acies using faggot. so please cite sources next time. -Fellow anon
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>>3802459
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great
>Cyrus the Great b. 600 BC d. 530 BC
https://www.ahistoryofgreece.com/goldenage.htm
>Classical era of Greece 500 BC - 300 BC

suc·ces·sor - a person or thing that succeeds another.
pre·cur·sor - a person or thing that comes before another of the same kind; a forerunner.

Does that spell it out enough, you salty fuck?
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>>3802137
>the gauls did nothing wrong
those celtniggers had ravaged the north of Italy for decades before Caesar. They deserved it.
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>>3798973
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>>3802474
you seem a little mad anon
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>>3802474
i have an objection to your theory you are using Wikipedia you could have easily changed the dates to fit your agenda so stay mad anon
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>>3800643
>that fucking communist and proto-feminist
>good guy
shame she wasn´t aborted
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>>3802493
>>3802500
>A high level of discourse is expected
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>>3799702
this
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>>3798995
To you, what constitutes a hero and why does Hitler meet your requirements?
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>>3800356
jumping jacks in the forum? lawl

dude was past his prime and got caught up in his lust for power

at least sulla _tried_ to set things back to normal
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>>3801014
90% of indians were wiped out by disease. what were they supposed to do about that?

sure Europeans warmongered, but native tribes were more focused on setting the french and british against each other to settle old feuds. there was no "we indians need to band together against the white dudes" mindset until after the seven years war and the indians were simply at the mercy of the english

lawl get outt here w ur white knight bullshit
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>>3802176
Yes, I'm sure Anne Frank and all the other children and babies deserved what was coming to them.
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>>3799206

>Jews have been a subversive element in Old World societies for millennia before Hitler decided to destroy them. They have been banished hundreds of times, throughout continents and throughout the centuries. But I guess they were never at fault, were they?

Turns out that whenever you take an entire ethnicity of people, people who have been able to hold onto their ethnic and religious identity since the fucking bronze age, and then severely limit their ability of social advancement to commercial and mercantile areas, they're going to be really fucking good at those areas of expertise. Frankly, it'd be weirder if there weren't a shit ton of rich Jews.
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>>3802975
Has literally nothing to do with what I said, but okay buddy.
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>>3802385
>superior
>lost
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>>3799378
kill yourself commie scum
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>>3800199
holocaust didn't happen
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>>3800509
americans fight for israel and for the destruction of the white race
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>muh hitler
>thread derailed

honestly should just expect it by now.

Anyways, here is my choice.
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>fought the Western imperialist interventionists and the communist oppressors
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>>3799181
>>is the reason for Communism occupying half of Europe for decades
>implying that's bad
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>>3800199
this shit again
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>>3798980
unironically this
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>>3800643
get the fuck off my board
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>>3800977
>entire government corrupt as fuck
>stubbornness let's his entire army get encircled in Manchuria by the commies
>hangs all of his generals at that start of the second sino-japanese war
>good guy
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>>3798973
He definitely lost it since the election
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>>3805361
>entire government corrupt as fuck
tru
>stubbornness let's his entire army get encircled in Manchuria by the commies
blame warlord generals refusing to follow orders
>hangs all of his generals at that start of the second sino-japanese war
that just never happened
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>>3799206
>Communism was his biggest enemy, he warned the world of it, they didn't heed his warning.

Which is why he formed an non-agression pact with the Soviets to share Poland with them?

Stalin was the one trying to form a pact against Germany, but Britain was autistic about communisism and preferred letting Hitler carved up various countries and territories (Sutenland, Lorraine, Austria) rather than ally with communists, or you know actually give Poland any reasonable support.

Fucking alt-right faggots have no clue about what actually happened.
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>>3799642
>Jews would have gotten Israel regardless of WW2, that was the result of WW1.

It would probably look more like that two-state plan if it weren't for World War II though. Due to massive global guilt over the holocaust Israel has gotten by with a lot of bullshit.

This isn't me disputting the holocaust, this is me stating that Israel is one of the most gross states in the world right now.
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>>3799797

Correct answer.

>Graeco-Celtic Dominance throughout Europe.
>Latins never
>Seleucids and Ptolemies, if they fall fall to Hellenes and Celts rather than Roman scum
>Christianity never takes off cause the Greeks don't treat their slaves as bad as the Romans.
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>>3802486

They didn't ravage shit; then fucking lived in Northern Italty you weirdo.
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>>3799412
Someone talks sense
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>>3800333
>The Romans outnumbered the Gauls.
[citation needed]
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>>3799378
>>3798980
>>3798976
>>3799332
>>3799696
>>3800643
>>3801022
>>3802488


(you)
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>>3800958
this
zama was an inside job, the elephants were holograms
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>>3798980
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>>3798976
In a sense Robespierre won. The idealized version of a liberal republic wasn't realized but most of the world hold liberal values in a very high regard
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>>3798973
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>>3799388
He looks like a wise, honest man. I can tell why he's still loved or at least respected even today.
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>>3801046
>>3801022
25 year rule, what is?
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>>3801022
Ironically I think he will have a greater impact on American history than Hillary. But that's wild speculation obviously.
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>>3801353
I would try spinning That's a good trick.
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>>3798973
Woodrow Wilson was a mistake.
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>>3802226
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE ALESIA IS! NOBODY KNOWS WHERE ALESIA IS!
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>>3800958
Fucking this
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>>3801353
Befriend him and sneak his ass in the Senate.
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>>3800958
Uh yeah child sacrificing moloch worshipers, no thanks.
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>>3801353
Probably not go into Alesia in the first place and stick to my strategy of scorched earth. It was working after all.
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>>3806400
>>3805361
t. brianlets

the KMT didnt want to move against the communists until Marshall aid was approved - the US was hinting that if they started a war with the communists they might not give them Marshall aid.

that small brief period allowed the communists (who were on the verge of utter defeat) to rally in Manchuria and then sweep south by the time marshal aid was approved.

the eternal yank struck again
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>>3809131
>the bongs don't believe the communist lies
>the nationalists don't believe them either
>neither do the russians
>the US of all countries, does believe the commies
Marshall should've been hanged for his incompetence desu
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>>3801353

Id outflank the flankers
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>>3806829
Pila can't pierce elephant hide
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>>3809201
Blame the Republican Congress. Literally more interested in their own tax cuts than smothering the PRC in it's cradle. 60 million deaths later and China is steadily gaining ground on the US.
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>>3810027
>China could've been our ally
I'd weep, but i have no more tears left to shed




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