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Were classical nude paintings really just high-class porn for popes and rich collectors to fap over?

Also, classical nude thread I guess.
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>>3920418
Probably/definitely not popes.
Maybe for rich people.
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>>3920418
no, early nude art in the west was partially a reaction to the restrictions present against obscenity and later part of a revitalization of the Greek tradition during the Italian Renaissance. a work like Venus of Urbino is obviously sensual in design, but the purpose is to exhibit the human form in that context. other works like the Rape of Proserpina are obviously using the nude form for effect.
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>>3920418
>porn was always around

no these paintings were considered art not porn, porn is degenerate
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>>3920418
Sounds like someones been watching Plebs
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>>3920490
Porn has probably existed as long as art has. Many experts think these were porn.
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>>3920501
I think beauty standards have changed. Also how could anyone get off to something like that even in its prime condition, it doesn't look realistic enough anatomically to stimulate some kind of arousal
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>>3920501
that bs has been debunked, those were sacred statues to represent pregnant women, stop trying to project your own degeneracy on to the past
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>>3920682
A big, voluptuous body was the norm standard of beauty until recently, indicating good breeding and nurturing material. Our sex symbols have gradually got thinner as we have grown richer and more dafe and secure.
>also dat bondage venus figure
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>>3920714
Says one set of experts over another. Why is one figure in bondage?
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what are the beauty standards now in isolated areas like the amazons or central africa?
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>>3920730
>A big, voluptuous body was the norm standard of beauty

By the time these venus were sculpted, people were nomadic or semi nomadic, no one could have gotten fat. These are just caricatures of femininity.
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>>3920714
No one knows what they were truly for and no one ever can truly know. How can we know the thoughts and motivations of an illiterate people?
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>>3920418

they had slaves then, no porn needed
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>he fell for the feminine form meme
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>>3920682
>it doesn't look realistic enough anatomically to stimulate some kind of arousal
because people have never got off to virtual porn featuring absolutely ridiculous cowtits proportions
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How come none of the women in these paintings have those digusting massive pepperoni nipples it seems all the girls have now.
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>>3920682
I have literally masturbated to those so you`re wrong.
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>>3921134
They are so god damn pretty I wanna kiss them all over and swallow their seed.
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>>3921989
Are you a girl?
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>>3922031
It depends on who's asking.
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>>3922035
I'll take that as a no
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>>3920418
I get pretty hard over them, but I guess taht they were more like worships of the ideal form and sensuality rather than porn as something to be used.
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>>3922035
L O N D O N
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>>3920439
Like most popes in history didn't have mistresses or even fuck men on the side...
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>>3921134
I read a story from an ancient greek book about someone trying to fuck a greek sculpture. let me find it
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>>3922255
>heh no one is safe from me projecting my sexual degeneracy, not even the papacy
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>>3922283

Okay I found it. It is from the Amores of Pseudo-Lucian. They see a semen stain on a statue of Venus and this happens.

>Filled with admiration, we noticed behind one of the thighs a stain like one on a robe, which only brought out the whiteness of the marble. It seemed a flaw in the stone. This kind of defect is not uncommon, and fate thus tends to thwart that which otherwise would reach perfection. Supposing this dark stain was natural, my admiration for Praxiteles only increased, for having so skillfully hidden it where it would least be noticed. But the groundskeeper, who had stayed by our side, recounted an extraordinary and barely believable tale on this subject. "A young man from a distinguished family," said she, "but whose act has made the name unspeakable, came often to the temple, where an evil spirit had made him fall in love with the goddess. As he spent his whole day there, it was first believed to be due to a faith bordering on superstition. In fact he was up way before the dawn, and only went home after sunset, having spent all his time seated before the goddess, his eyes constantly fixed upon her. You could hear him murmuring sweet nothings to her.
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>>3922305

>When he wanted to quench his passion a bit, he would make an invocation, cast on the table four small bones of Libyan gazelle, and read the future in them. If the throw was lucky, especially if it was the one called ‘of Aphrodite,' when none of the dice shows the same number, he would prostrate himself, certain his desire would soon be fulfilled. But the opposite was more common, and when the dice were unfavorable he cursed all of Cnidus and, as if his misfortune were incurable, was overwhelmed by sadness. In the next moment he would gather up the dice and try his fortune again. His passion only grew stronger, and he carved on every wall and tree the name of Aphrodite the Beautiful. He worshiped Praxiteles as equal to Zeus. Any beautiful or valuable thing he found in his house he offered to the goddess; finally, the violence of his desires made him lose his reason, his audacity serving him for pimp. One evening, at sunset, he slid unseen behind the temple door and hid in the darkest corner, holding his breath. The keepers closed the gate as usual, and this new Anchises found himself alone inside. Who would dare recount the sort of deeds he consummated that wicked night? In short, at daybreak this sign of his amorous embraces was discovered, a sign which ever since has marked the goddess as a reminder of her suffering. As for the young man, they say he threw himself upon the rocks, or into the sea. In any case he disappeared forever."

http://employees.oneonta.edu/farberas/arth/ARTH209/venus_knidos.html
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>>3921134
This is actually quite a nice sculpture, please don't sexualize.
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>>3922307
Here is the statue he came on, the Aphrodite of Knidos
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>>3922316
whoops forgot pic
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>>3922305
>>3922307
>worships goddess
>ends up defiling her statue
This guy needs to learn rule 1 about respecting his waifu
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>>3922305
>>3922307
Was he ourguy?
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>>3922317
He couldn't even hold back from that? Imagine if he saw this.
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>>3922328
Oh mama.
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>>3922323
I dunno but the important thing is classical sculptures NEVER actually had an anus, or a taint. Here are the Uffizi Wrestlers where you can see the clear lack of features (other than penis and testicles). I myself noticed this on a similar sculpture when I visited a museum on vacation a few weeks ago.
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>>3922335
What the hell, this time I was sure I did it.
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>>3922335
>i noticed the lack of anus
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>>3922311
Too late, my friend, too late.
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>>3922311
Not sexualizing
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>>3922304
while he is definitely exaggerating you're also being adorably naive
especially if we're talking medieval popes, sorry if it makes you feel bad but yeah a lot of them did exactly what you would expect
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>>3922328
It looks as though it would be soft to the touch, not hard and cold!
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>>3923597
That's all folks. I'll probably post more later if the thread doesn't get it's ass fingered.
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>>3920682
These are American beauty standards of 21st century. So if they did change, it has changed back to how it was in the primitive era.
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>>3923583

sauce?
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>>3925440
It's a painting of the goddess Artemis, just look her up and I'm sure you'll find it.
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Ia this a classical-art-soft-porn-thread?
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>>3925732
>nudity=porn

Fucking protestants.
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>>3925780
Haha, no, I'm an atheist. That thread just kinda reminded me a bit of /b/ porn threads
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>>3925799
>he browses /b/

disgusting
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>>3925440
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Why did they like it thicc?
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>>3925440
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>>3921552
Bigger nipples are god tier. Tiny nipples look plain silly on medium-large breasts.
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>>3926467
Big nipples are stretched and pale. Little nipples are distinctive and healthy colored.
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>>3921134
holy fuck MOAR
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>>3925799
>Haha, no, I'm an atheist
i'm an atheist and you should kys
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>mfw gf has exactly this body type but she think that she is fat and also have mild vaginism so I cant just eat all her majestic body
Please killme

Also, pls more. I remember fapping to this kind of art in Encarta 95 in the dial-up era. I was the only weirdo?
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>>3927226
You're literally a normie with normie taste.
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>>3927226
show the picture to her anon, so she can see what a work of art you say she is
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>>3920501
Those are fertility goddesses
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>>3920682
>I think beauty standards have changed
>>3920730
>A big, voluptuous body was the norm standard of beauty until recently
Tumblr, please leave.
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>>3920439
> Probably/definitely not popes.
Like really nigga? Are you that naive? Or do you have an extra chromosome?
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>>3922317
>some proto /b/tard came on a statue
>both the testimony of the act and the statue itself are alive to this day for us to know about it
Respect
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>>3927226
>gf
Pls leave this website
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>>3927808
The original statue is actually no longer in existence, but dozens of copies are. That photo is actually of a cast of one of the copies, too.
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>>3925440
Achilles went to Elysium?
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>>3926489
Firstly define big nipples. I might have a completely different size in mind.
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>>3926501

Oh well, if everyone is insisting...
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>>3921134
Always knew cupids were gay-pedo propaganda.
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>>3922305
>>3922307
>your waifu goddess statue will never turn into a real person and start having love with you.
That dude didn't know why to live anymore.
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>>3920730
False. Roman murals present their females as thin or slightly thicc (in the good sense, aka without a gut), with additional works presenting women with fit bodies working out. Statues and busts of women also depict them as lithe and I have come across female busts exhibiting six packs.

Beauty standards have always pushed for a healthy BMI in the western world, fetishists like Rubens notwithstanding. The only real variable is whether women that served as canons of beauty worked out or used other means (like corsets) to keep a slim waist and advantageous appearance. The neck also carried much more importance than it does now due to the conservatism of clothing. A fat neck was considered as unappealing as a starving sickly neck. A nice pink or pearly neck though is a focus of mens desire in much of xixth century litterature.
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>>3928594
thicc
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>>3920490
>degenerate
>>>/pol/
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>>3920682
>it doesn't look realistic enough anatomically to stimulate some kind of arousal
said the guy on the anime forum
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>>3920714
>degeneracy
>>>/pol/
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>>3922304
>degeneracy
>>>/pol/
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>>3925457
>naked on the rooftop
>like in my porn videos
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>>3920501
These are with few exceptions found exclusively in Europe.

Therefore your conceptualization is flawed.
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>>3920730
>my teacher said in Ancient and Medieval times they liked fat people and now they don't
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>>3925726
why are those two shotas bullying a dolphin?
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>>3926494
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>>3922317
wow, that's quite a... the plump roun... I mean it's almost like... er... I seem to be experiencing... um... some strong emot... the protruding fullne.. that is... well I believe I may have to go and ... I mean right now... excuse me...
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>>3920501
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>>3931477
heh
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>>3920740
Which one? I don't see it.
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>>3930852
The word you are searching for is "callipygian," I believe.




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