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What country had the least brutal and most constructive imperialism?
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>>4669004
The Dutch I guess
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>>4669017
>least brutal
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>>4669004
British

ended slavery, unfair legal systems, and local racial divide in the countries they colonized.

before the British came to India there was cast system that had "untouchable" people. before they left India had democratic elections.
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>>4669004
Italy and germany
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Britain, even if it didn't work in the long term except for regions of the world where you could completely ethnically replace the native population
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>>4669033
>British

I hope you're kidding. They're responsible for horrible atrocities against Indians, Irish, Boers, Kenyans, Chinese, etc.

They also purposefully create meme nations like Pakistan, Nigeria to divide nations for neo-colonialism instead of splitting them along ethnic lines.
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>>4669004
The US.
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>>4669033
>kenya, 1950s
>be of particular ethnic minority that England for some reason keeps in mental hospitals around country despite being healthy
>protest this
>be held upside down while british guards pour wet sand and water down my anus with a wooden stick
>somehow the world sees them as heroes
This was a torture method the English used to try to discipline some ethnic group in Kenya.
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>>4669064

that's a laugh, but I would fully expect the poorly educated people of our age to believe this
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>>4669004
Japan or Britain probably.
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>>4669064
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

>>4669041
meh depends but i dont fully agree
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Definitely Britain, they spread classical liberalism to underdeveloped countries and the colonies also benefited from free trade.
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>>4669004
France was okay in North Africa if you ignore Algeria
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>>4669053
>They also purposefully create meme nations like Pakistan
What bullshit. Pakistan is just Durrani Empire 2.0, Republic edition.
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>>4669017
>not knowing what happened in indonesia after WW2
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>>4669004
Persia. Cyrus was a pretty cool guy.
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>>4669033
Not all, it was almost entirely a shit deal for everyone they colonized. The meme about China or India being improved at all is just complete nonsense.
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>>4669228
That wasn't colonialism.
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>>4669004
Poland
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>>4669231
What is then?
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>>4669231
The OP said 'imperialism', friend.
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>>4669231
OP didn't mention colonialism, only imperialism.
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>>4669128
>if you ignore Algeria
But other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?
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>>4669235
Vassalization and Empire. They basically didn't culturally change their subjects at all.

>>4669236
>>4669238
Sorry, I misread.
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>>4669229
>it was almost entirely a shit deal for everyone they colonized.
Not true, but in China's case the non-colonized mainland was defeated pretty thoroughly. Hong Kong wasn't a bad place for Chinese to live though, and they were pretty loyal subjects.
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>>4669211
>Pakistan is just Durrani Empire 2.0, Republic edition.

It's clearly an Islamic republic built for Sindhi and Punjabis, aka Indian Muslims. Balochi and Pasthuns didn't get to be part of Afghanistan/Iran.
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>>4669128
>>4669239
Algeria was originally conquered to defend Southern Europe from Pirate/raiders though. Fuck them.
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>>4669248
>They basically didn't culturally change their subjects at all.
Who didn't, the Persians or the Brits?
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>>4669250
>Balochi and Pasthuns didn't get to be part of Afghanistan/Iran.
So just like the Durrani Empire?
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>>4669253
>implying western europe didn't employ pirates
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>>4669017
Jan Pieterszoon Coen did nothing wrong
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>>4669004
Greece
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>>4669275
They weren't "employed," they were lawless raiders. And Europeans used buccaneers in the New World. Not against North Africa.
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>>4669253
The barbary pirates werent really still around in 1830, and theyre talking about alferia after ww2, not what happened a 100 years beforehand
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>>4669387
>The barbary pirates werent really still around in 1830
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates#18th%E2%80%9319th_centuries
>Corsair activity based in Algiers did not entirely cease until France conquered the state in 1830.[15]
Yeah, because the French conquered Algeria.
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>>4669404

'Ouch!' cries mehmed as he stabs you.
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>>4669004
I'd say most constructive was Roman.
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Mexico for sure.
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>>4669004
France. Please ignore the Algerian war.
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>>4669081
>Japan
???
What did he mean by this?
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>>4669017
t.Jan Pieterszoon
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>>4669004
Hong Kong and Macau. Hopefully the mainlanders can transition into humanity in a generation or two.
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>>4669004
America
Mexico was borderline peaceful and very constructive. The New Mexicans welcomed the US as liberators from the Comanche that the incompetent Mexican government failed to protect them from.
The Natives were the aggressors in a fair amount of their conflicts. They were savages who more often than not opted for brutality than peace, and were simply beaten at their own game.
The only questionable imperialistic act America has ever undertaken was the Philippines.

>>4669033
>ended [...] unfair legal systems, and local racial divide in the countries they colonized
Britain created both of those. Britain's legal systems outright caused the Great Famine and their racial policy caused the issues in Pakistan and India we see today.

>>4669035
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide

>>4669064
This. Note how your statement has no counterpoints other than nervous Europeans without arguments to bring to the table?
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>>4669004
Obviously Portugal. Not that they were more merciful than other Europeans, just that their colonialism basically comprised trading posts and coastal territories. Their low manpower made native conquests a lot more difficult.
The biggest atrocity they committed directly was the treatment of slaves in Brazil, and even then the brutality only reached it's peak after Brazilian independence.
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>>4669657
>what is the middle east?
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>>4669692
Britain's gig?
Or are you implying the modern day war on terror is empire building?
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>>4669703
What else would you call it? Epik peace keeping missions?
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>>4669731
a war on terror
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>>4669731
A war on terror that Britain and many other European countries have participated in regardless.
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Obviously Sweden or Denmark. Their imperialism literally just involved taking Norway/Iceland and practically leaving them alone.
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>>4669773
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(history)
I guess this is a myth.......
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>>4669258
Persians.
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>>4669803
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Iran
That's just false. Not that it's a bad thing, you'd have to be retarded to think cultural diffusion is a bad thing in itself. Some times it's bad if it's a degenerate culture (like USA) but other times neutral, or good.
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>>4669017
Dutch colonialism is quite interesting actually. When they were faced with Islamic rebellions the orientalist Christiaan Snouck Hurgronje used his vast knowledge of Islam and Indonesian languages to gain information. He became friends with the Grand Mufti of Batavia, who issued a ruling supporting the Dutch in the Aceh war.
Pic related a quotation from Snouck Hurgronje
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>>4669606
Asian countries don't count
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>>4669828
I didn't say diffusion didn't happen, but was referring to the lack of persianization under the achaemenids. After them and even through much of the Parthian period, the only ones with much Iranian culture at all were the native Iranic peoples. The Persians were more near-eastern-ized than the other way around. The Sassanians were a different story.
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>>4669004
Spain
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>>4669064
>>4669657
Not even the Belgian Congo saw as much suffering and loss of human life as the colonisation of the Americas
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>>4669907
>Source: My ass and personal bias
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>>4669248
Hardly no Anglicization of British colonized subjects occurred to speak of outside of the technical realm. But then again, is adopting modernity really "British?" If you want to see Empires that did a really good job assimilation their citizens, look to Spain and Portugal in the New World. Those people whole heartily were hispanized.
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>>4669907
>much suffering and loss of human life as the colonisation of the Americas
Faked by land hungry redskins, believed by retards.
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>>4669232
This.
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>>4669914
>>4669922
>Epidemics of smallpox (1518, 1521, 1525, 1558, 1589), typhus (1546), influenza (1558), diphtheria (1614) and measles (1618) swept the Americas subsequent to European contact,[30][31] killing between 10 million and 100 million[32] people, up to 95% of the indigenous population of the Americas.[33]
Compare those to the contemporary estimates of 50% population loss in the Congo Free State
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>>4669944
Oh no, you're saying we sneezed?! How dare we sneeze! Abloo hoo hoooo, sneezing and Natives with weak immune systems is genocide and cruelty! Waah waah waaaaah.
Unlike the systematic genocide of Africans, Irish, Indians, Boers...
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>>4669944
>Disease
What's your point? That redskins had no immunity to Old World disease is somehow Old Worlders fault? Black Death wiped out more Europeans than Redskins just a century earlier.
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>>4669963
>>4669976
I never said it was intentional. But you can't seriously think that 95% population loss is "least brutal and most constructive". Oh, and while we're on the subject of sources
>systematic genocide of Africans, Irish, Indians, Boers...
Got any sources for that, aside from Krauts genociding the Herero?
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>>4669987
>aside from Krauts genociding the Herero

>Boers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizzie_van_Zyl
>Irish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)#Genocide_question
>Indians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943#Debate_about_causes
>Africans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free_State#Historiography_and_the_term_%22genocide%22
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>>4670040
>whether or not this constituted genocide, remains a historically and politically charged issue.
>It has been argued that "this was not a deliberately genocidal policy; rather it was the result of [a] disastrous lack of foresight and rank incompetence on [the] part of the [British] military".[10]
>Academic consensus generally follows the FEE account, as formulated by A. Sen (1977) and A. Sen (1981a), in describing the Bengal famine of 1943 as an "entitlements famine". On this view, the prelude to the famine was generalised war-time inflation, and the problem was exacerbated by prioritised distribution and abortive attempts at price control,[319] but the death blow was devastating leaps in the inflation rate due to heavy speculative buying.[320][BC] This in turn caused a fatal decline in the real wages of landless agricultural workers,[321] transforming what should have been a local shortage into a horrific famine.[322]
>The significant number of deaths under the Free State regime has led to some scholars to relate the atrocities to later genocides, though understanding of the colonial administration's rule as the result of harsh economic exploitation has led others to dispute the comparison.[78] According to the United Nations' 1948 definition of the term "genocide", a genocide must be "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".[79] Sociologist Rhoda Howard-Hassmann stated that because the Congolese were not killed in a systematic fashion according to that criteria, "technically speaking, this was not genocide even in a legally retroactive sense."[80]
hmmmm...
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>>4669211
>half of punjab
>durrani empire 2.0
kek
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>>4670080
This coming from the man accounting sneezes to genocide. European bias truly knows no bounds.
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>>4669017
Didn't the Dutch wipe out an entire island's people just to get a monopoly on nutmeg?
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>>4670040
>Wikipedia
Wew lad
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>>4670080
>liberals make shit up to attack Europeans and justify Brownskin/Black rule
What else is new?
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America's history of foreign imperialism, when it comes to their own colonies anyway, is surprisingly...I don't know, milquetoast compared to what other great powers were doing at the time. I mean we certainly did plenty of terrible things to native american tribes as we marched across North America, but it's like we were never sure what to DO with people we couldn't just evict and replace.

Maybe it was the influence of a relatively free democracy, or maybe it's just because we got into the game later than anyone else but for whatever reason we just didn't exploit the shit out of our colonies the way say the Netherlands or Belgium did. Now I'm not saying we have a positive colonial legacy here but at the same time, we never wiped out entire islands to get a monopoly on nutmeg, and we didn't chop the hands off workers who couldn't keep their rubber quota. Even our legacy of slavery is relatively mild compared to what happened in the Caribbean.
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>>4670139
Not him, Wikipedia is used here because of it's quickness of access. It's not an implication that the sources are Wikipedia, although in same cases that might be the case.
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>>4669779
Poles had it coming.
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>>4670080
>Achoo!
>GENOCIDE GENOCIDE OH THE HUMANITY OH THE HUMAN SUFFERING KNOWS NO BOUNDS!!1!!11
>I'm going to lock tens of thousands of these women and children in cages and refuse to feed them!
>Clearly this isn't genocide this is just a lack of foresight just water under the bridge move along.
Eur*peans, everyone.
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>>4670128
Don't make me laugh. I know your type, you always refer to the UN definition whenever someone suggests that maybe 95% of all Injuns dying might be worthy of being called a genocide, but throw it out of the window whenever it suits you.
>>4670141
Terrific argument, any other deep insights you want to share with us?
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>>4670190
See >>4670192
>*
Why do I even bother, anyway
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>>4670192
Dying to sneezes =/= intentional starvation of masses
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>>4669053
>They also purposefully create meme nations like Pakistan, Nigeria to divide nations for neo-colonialism instead of splitting them along ethnic lines.

At the time, they were accused of dividing 'national brothers' to weaken them for neo-colonialism. Nationalist movements were trying to form big multi-cultural nations, i.e. Malyasia, Burma...etc.
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>>4669033
>t. Nigel Harrington
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>>4670204
Accidently exterminating all the natives =/= "least brutal and most constructive imperialism
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>>4670221
Americans didn't exterminate the Natives
Illness did
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>>4670192
Not him but the problem with calling what europe did to the native americans as "genocide", kinda ignores that it wasn't intentional. The fact is our diseases moved westward much faster than we did, and the reason the NA put up such a pitiful fight in resisting us is because unbeknownst to us, our diseases had already wiped out a good 90% of their population.
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>>4670233
Also, it has never been the official stance to use disease-based epidemics as a weapon for any european power, mainly because we have no way of protecting ourselves from it.

But addiction-based epidemics? Especially when we're the only supplier? Oh you better fucking believe we'd stoop to that.
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>>4669017
A lot of Indonesians would literally beat you to death for saying that.
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>>4669053
Complete nonsense. The Indians themselves voted in an election to split.
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>>4669033
Anyone disputing this fact needs to check the behaviour of the other imperialist nations. Britain was, by far, the least harmful.
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>this entire thread
>>4670371
Don't you have Hindus to starve while masturbating to Malthus, you fucking Anglo shit?
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>>4669657
>The only questionable imperialistic act America has ever undertaken was the Philippines.
Remind me what you did in Haiti. I'll give you a hint: installed state censorship where you couldn't criticize the acts of the USA or you'd be put by a military tribunal. Also pretty much enacted forced labour on the Haitians and forced them to give up their customs houses.
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>>4669081
>Japan
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The unofficial US empire we live in currently (pax americana)
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>>4670378
>Sovietboo
>accusing anyone else of intentional famines
Oh I'm laffin
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>>4670613
The US empire body count surpasses Nazi Germany's, idiot.

Read Triumph of Evil by Austin Murphy.
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>>4670130
yes.

Although to be fair, it horrified the board of directors as well.
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>>4669004
Pre-1930s Japan. Korea and Taiwan turned out pretty well all things considered, at least by colonial standards.
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>>4670130
They killed 20 000 Bandanese after they violated the trade agreement they had with the Dutch. They called it a penal expedition.
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>>4670650
That sounds like an ancap meme, I'm phone posting right now but it would be fitting.
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>>4670664
made this a while back
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>>4669033
This.
Before Britain, slavery was the norm throughout almost the entire world.
Britain basically turned that completely on its head, when it ended slavery in its Empire, creating huge sections of the world without slavery, setting the trend everywhere to be reversed.
Since the end of British colonialism, slavery has started its creeping return to parts of the world like Africa and India.
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>>4670676
Noice.
Trivia: the Dutch used Japanese mercenaries as executioners
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>>4670759
They were the original weebs after all
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Are we all just going to ignore the fact that almost all the deaths during the conquest of the Americas happened before the United States was even a country?
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>>4670825
Not sure about that. The Portuguese and Spanish traded with Japan before the Dutch
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>>4670664
Dutch capitalism is pretty interesting, from cucking the sea out of its natural state to grow crops and make profit to the fucking tulip mania. I believe theres a bond from the 1600s that is still paying a few dollars in dividend each year.
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>>4670972
>from cucking the sea out of its natural state to grow crops
Dude just create an entire new province lmao
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>>4669229
Every hong konger is thankful tht they grew up under western rule rather than chinese rule. thousands left because of 1997
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>>4670646
no there was slave labor, massacres, and comfort women
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>>4669577
>>4670473
The East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere was the most humane empire in existence.
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>>4671008
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
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>>4671013
Faaaakkeeee!!!
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>>4669944
>USA
>Existing in 6th/17th century
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>>4670985
Yeah make that 2.5 provinces.
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>>4671008
Except for the baby rape.
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>>4669033
>before the British came to India there was cast system that had "untouchable" people. before they left India had democratic elections.
if you even glanced at the wikipedia for the caste system under hinduism youd see the British modernised it and utilised it plenty in their colonial control of india
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>>4671154
>Ancient Indian religious system
>Anything to do with the Brits
You are grasping at a nothing burger, friend.
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>>4669404
>Following theNapoleonic Warsand theCongress of Viennain 1814–15, European powers agreed upon the need to suppress the Barbary corsairs entirely and the threat was largely subdued. Occasional incidents occurred

Literally the sentence preceeding the one you quoted

Nice try Francois
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>>4669035
Germany? Least Brutal? The fuck are you on about, mate?
Someone already pointed out the Herero and Namaqua genocide, but I'd also like to remind you of the atrocities of the Nazis. I mean, I guess Lebensraum would count as colonization, or at least imperialism. So the holocaust factors into this.

Also, >>4669081
Japan?
pic related says otherwise
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>>4669371
They were employed you dumb nigger, many were given letter of Marquee by European authorities. Some of the successful pirates even acted as governers in new world.
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>>4669922

believe by retards 100%
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>>4670646
a lot of gooks would beat you to death for that one
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>>4671407
Well, he did say "by colonial standards". It's a difference between shoving perpetrators in the gulag for their crimes, or go straight to the execution wall.
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>>4669033
>Ended slavery
So did every other European power in the end, the French ended slavery before the British (even if they brought it back), and the Anglos were responsible for most of the slave trade
>Unfair legal systems
British legal systems were inherently racist and exclusionary
>Local racial divide in the countries they colonized
lol what, the Anglos are responsible for so much divide and rule and ethnic infighting it isn't even funny, just look at all the chinks and poos they imported into their colonies in Eastern Asia and Africa and the fighting from that, not even mentioning racism from whites during the colonial period
>Indian caste system
The British were responsible for reinforcing and strengthening the caste system in India, they purposefully strengthened social hierarchies in India after 1857
>Indian democracy
Most colonized nations had democratic elections right before the Europeans left, its thanks to the Indians that the Indians stayed a democracy, not to the British.
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>>4669004
Probably Denmark tbqh, since they only colonized glaciernigger places they never did anything with them and so didn't do much harm
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>>4669731
part of america's crusade to spread abortion & homosexuality to the world
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>>4671373
>ww2
>imperialism
how fucking stupid are you?
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>>4670650
heh, penal
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>>4671003
And cultural/language elimination.
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>>4669004
The Ottoman Empire
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>>4670993
>Every hong konger is thankful tht they grew up under western rule

The British deliberately refused to do certain polices due to racial reasons.
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>>4670740
The vast majority of the world profits from slavery
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>>4670080
Europeans kill millions through greed
>Not a genocide
Europeans let non white people live europe
Poltard

>See white genocide is real
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>>4671477
Imperialism is defined as "the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies."
Is that not what the Germans did during WWII?
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>>4669004
>implying imperialism is bad
vae victis
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>>4670080
>Sociologist Rhoda Howard-Hassmann stated that because the Congolese were not killed in a systematic fashion according to that criteria,

Killing those who didn't meet quota and letting businesses run wild alongside a batshit cultish police force while you govern with complete neglect isn't a genocide? Is Cambodia's mass killings not a genocide then?
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>>4671477
> It's not imperialism if the conquered are also white!
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>>4671798
Cambodia had some genocidal killing but the totality of the killings isn't a genocide, most people simply weren't killed for their ethnicity.
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>>4670993
Source?

Majority supported unification in 1997 polling.
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>>4670646
Just ignore the whole “only Japanese culture allowed now and any violators will be shot” decade
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>>4669017
>t. Jan Pier Widodo Jawa
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>>4669004
Portugal.
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>>4669004
The Mongols :^).
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Rome
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>>4669004
i'd say the brits since they let the natives do their culture

>>4669064
KEK, America literally destroyed the first republic in asia
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>>4669004
British imperialism was as constructive as it was brutal.
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>>4669004
arguably the Romans
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>>4669004
Spain
>convinced Asian islanders thousands of miles from Madrid that they are spaniards
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Probably the French. Outside of them battling a very effective urban insurgency in Algeria they were pretty nice overall. Not great, and frankly they didn't do much in the way of anything where they were, but at least nothing really got worse.
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>>4673199
The conquest of Algeria was extremly violent and did a lot of casualities on both sides.
The Algerian war wasn't a clean urban insurgency, it had a lot of torture, civilians killed etc. on both sides. (harkis)
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>>4673199
They had a war in Vietnam. They also refused to pay ww2 colonial soldier pensions the same amount they gave europeans since African and north African vet pensions were only 69 euros in 2006 and that was only "fixed" just very recently.

They literally worked french congo to death building a railway to the point that a massive rebellion popped up.
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>>4673229
And Harki's got little reward for their allegiance to France.
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>>4673229
Oh I know it wasn't clean but shit it's not like we have an answer to urban insurgencies sixty years later. Of all of the poweers I think France was the least awful. Not that it was good but I can't think of any reports of French genocide.
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Probably Denmark. Hard to be brutal when you have only a couple holdings overseas.
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>>4673232
Most of them did it for economical reasons, for revenge purposes etc. and weren't really aware of the current situation. Speaking of allegiance is mostly revisionism.

>>4673235
Many mass massacres, like Madagascar 1947, Setif 45 etc. that are arguably as bad as a Srebrenica.

the most violent one was against its own population (Vendée)
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>>4673235
Kongo warm rebellion. Read the death toll in regards to the construction then compare that to french congo historically low population. also the indigenous code sucked shit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indig%C3%A9nat
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>>4671744
Seems like you got the wrong board, friend, >>>/pol/ is two blocks down
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>>4669004
The Ottomans
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>>4669004
Either America or France
>loool dumb mutt are you saying amerimutts never did anything bad
no you retard I'm saying compared to the crap inhuman savages like brits pulled, these guys were nicer in comparison
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>>4672883
They killed millions, they enslaved millions
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>>4669231
Neither was that the question, retard.
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>>4673290
They had it coming
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Unironically Meiji and Taisho Japan, at least in Taiwan. Taiwan was one of the few colonies, like South Africa, to truly turn a long-run domestic financial profit. For example, during the short post-WWI recession the Mitsubishi Zaibatsu’s Taiwanese investments saved them from bankruptcy and paved the way for their rapid expansion in following decades. This is largely because during the late Meiji and Taisho periods in Japan, the British educated elders dominated the government and took a very progressive stance on colonization. Having also just modernized and assimilated rural parts of the home islands, they applied the same techniques to Taiwan. Mandatory conscription and Japanese education created a small, but consistenly growing, skilled labor class that proved vital to the self-sufficency of the colony in the 30s until its breakaway. That's why in the 20s it was hailed globally as a "model colony" and to this day many Taiwanese have a favorable view of the Japanese and give them credit with raising them out of destitution.
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Soviets.
During their war on influence they have built lots of factories, infrastructure, they have taught many foreign specialists.
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>>4669053
>splitting them along ethnic lines.
I love it with neoliberals argue this while simultaneously preaching against western ethnic nationalism.
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>>4673344
>neoliberals
Not really. Also social-democrats


Western nationalism is usually right nationalism, which seeks to exploit or suppress the others.
And colonial nationalism is left, it promotes freedom from western overlords and introduces welfare. Easy as that.
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Cyrus was literally Iran's worst Shah. It would have been better if he had forced the Jews, which he freed from Babylonian captivity, to convert to Zoroastrianism. Instead, he let them build their 2nd temple, and of course, later, they fabricated the stories of Esther and magus Haman in order to self-victimize themselves, which they still do today with Purim. If he had instead opted to force them to convert to Zoroastrianism, then this world not be plagued by Abrahamic cancer.

Our best Shah was Khosrau I.
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>>4673382
>Western nationalism is usually right nationalism, which seeks to exploit or suppress the others.
>And colonial nationalism is left, it promotes freedom from western overlords and introduces welfare. Easy as that.
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>>4669033
Source >heart of dankness
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>>4669004
Germany ,german samoa is regarded as one of the most friendly colonizing process ever been ,africans regard see germans as the least economically destroying colonizers ,but well i mean letho was kinda the opposite story ,but none of those africans survived so all surviving africans were treated "fairly" lol
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Honestly probably most Mesoamerican empires: The Mesoamerican concept of statehood was based around specific cities or groups of them rather then a brroader national identity, so almost all Mesoamerican empires were hands off affairs: Even the capitals viewed themselves as only their own political unit, not the head of a larger body; so other cities and people kept their self govenance, laws, culture, religion etc; as long as they payed tribute and such.
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>>4673409
*teleports behind you*
*unsheathes Vernichtungsbefehl*
Pssh... nothin personnel... Herero scum
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>>4673460
kek the herero deserved it tho
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>>4670993
>Asks Hongkonger
>Says he is happier under Chinese rule
>Fuck them mainlanders stealing our groceries tho
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>>4673636
Ironic shitposting is just shitposting
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>>4673382
Let me guess, you're one of those dipshits who believe brown people can't be imperialist unless whitey's pulling the strings, right?
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>>4669004
>least brutal
>most constructive imperialism
Unironically Ottoman. They treated their heathens subject very nicely, turns them into an elite army. Even allowed them to gain much power in the court.
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>>4669004
Persia.

>Banned slavery throughout empire
>Allowed the lost tribes to return to Israel
>Allowed conquered localities to keep their rulers as satrapies
>Most regional powers just said fuck it and joined without being conquered to share in the riches
>Beat up gay Spartans so bad they had to make a homo-erotic movie about it to compensate
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>>4673679
>turns them into an elite army. Even allowed them to gain much power in the court.
I agree that the ottomans were nicer than west euros but being a Janissary was not a nice thing

You were a slave with no control over your own life and not allowed to marry waging war against what could well be your own family
Their iconic weapon, the yatagan, is a dagger because they weren't trusted with anything bigger when not in campaign.
Sure, one in 10 000 managed to get a lot of influence but the other 9 999 were fucked
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>>4669773
>Swedish colonialism
>good
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland_under_Swedish_rule
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>>4669017
Fuck you dutch. Your almost 300 years of rule was complete nothing other than suffer to us. You don't even integrate your language to the people you colonized. If we were colonized by the brits we would have been much better country.
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>>4673313
The Taiwanese have a positive view of Japs because the KMT was much worse. Although I know not all Taiwanese will agree.
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>>4673696
Old Empires =/= Imperialism.
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>>4675138
>Words are whatever my autism dictates
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>>4669944
Jamestown, the first American settlement, wasn't even founded until 1607, so we can get rid of those early smallpox, typhus, and influenza epidemics in our calculations right off the bat.

Bait hard you retarded communist.
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>>4675159
Nobody applies Imperialism discourse to the likes of Ancient Rome/Imperial China/Ancient Persia due to the fact that these cunts ruled via Universalism and included peripheral peoples in the project of Empire.

Whereas the Imperialism is generally referring to 18th-19th Century colonial powers who are heavily based on separating the metropole from the periphery. And no this isn't a fucking European thing, Nips did the same thing.

t. I literally MA in the study of Empire. Old Empires and Colonial Empires generally aren't the same thing. And Imperialism is almost always used by historians to refer to the latter.
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>>4675215
You miss the mark on why though. because of the science/baconian culture of Britian, Netherlands, USA, France, Scandinavia and Germany they did things in a certian way which was rather different from other empires. The same can’t said of Spain, Portugal or Russia which ruled the same way most “old” empires did.
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>>4669754
>War on terror
>What is oil
Why do I come to this board?
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>>4675399
Actually articulate a theory as to why oil is the primary reason that the US messes around in the Middle East and I’ll humor you.
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>>4675101
our only mistake was not extracting more spices, indo
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>>4670040
you do realise that the conclusion to each of those articles is 'no it wasnt actually genocide'

the bengali famine wasnt even british responsibility, the food supplies to allieviate the famine existed in india under the devolved control of the local state governments, it did take the british threatening to use force to get them freed up though.

the boer camps were at worst negilgence and incompetence, not helped by the boers raiding the fucking supply lines.

the irish was essentially the irish being irish, the worst sin of the british was doing nothing.

and the congolese free state was actively stopped by british internvention.
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France had a different strategy in mind for its colonies : instead of being oppressive to the natives, they tried to integrate them to the Republican State, taught them French language and French history, improved the land and public health... I'm not aware of any mass crime commited by the French during the colonisation, outside of the Algerian War.
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>>4675985
It was a winning strategy in WW2. Without all these colonial soldiers Free France would have never existed. I remember reading a Free French Fighter born kanak (The indigenous people of New Caledonia) who enlisted voluntarily in 1940 to join Charles de Gaulle, he explained that even if he was born 16500km away from France he was taught everything from the french historical program (Including "our ancestors the gauls") and he felt as if his country was invaded.
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>>4675985
it fucked us over in the end, we should’ve did what the anglos did. yet we were always kind to the native populace’s, since we first colonised the english.
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>>4669779
poles are not people
poles are not people
poles are NOT people
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>>4669004
Spaniards, maybe.
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>>4672887
They are though
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>>4673696
t. John Green
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>>4669004
unironically rome.
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>>4671701
It wasn't exactly a paradise, but the English ruled them relatively fairly compared to how other colonies were fucked over.




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