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Post examples of anglo manipulation of history

>See Outcome
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>>4991205
>Muh K:D.
Yes, that's why the Germans won the battle of Kursk.
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>>4991205
Are you a retard? The German Hogh Seas Fleet never left Kiel again after Jutland. They needed a crushing victory and they didn’t get one.
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>>4991205
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>>4991205
The very course of history itself
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>>4991244
whats wrong with this
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>>4991256
surprise attack against your ally that didn't even defend
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>>4991299
if they had defected to the germans it would have given their navy a massive boost, this was the lesser of two evils
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>>4991244

>The attack created much rancour between France and Britain but also demonstrated to the world that Britain intended to fight on.

>"Gentlemen, we need a win to prove we're still brave enough to keep fighting Germany."
>"So you want to attack Germany?"
>"Without allies? Risking our own necks in a fair fight? Never! Let's attack France!"
>"But... they're allied to us. They just suffered a catastrophic defeat defending us!"
>"Precisely! It will be much less scary and they'll never see it coming!"
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>>4991228
They didn't leave because of this, the Kaiser literally said the "curse of something something is broken". It was Tirpitz or some other admiral who said it wouldn't make sense to attack them again because sinking their shipments with u-boats was much more efficient. Watch the Great War if you're interested.
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>>4991299
>>4991315
>scorched earth policy on your bro's navy
>french civilians overjoyed to see British commitment to continuing the war, helped galvanize the french resistance
>same deal with operation chariot
???
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>>4991315
If france turned that fleet over to germany as part of the surrender - it would have made the war alot more bloody. No one can build battleships/cruisers fast at the time and the fact of the matter is the germans didn't even try to achieve naval supremacy after that.

The french were at fault for not ordering all military forces outside of france to join the allies.
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>>4991311

France had that covered.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttling_of_the_French_fleet_in_Toulon

Britain's attack on France's fleet was indefensible.
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>>4991321
>whole point of the battle was to break the blockade
>it didn't
>w-we didn't want to w-win anyway
krautaboos are pathetic
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>>4991325

Yeah, I'm sure the French citizens wee rapturous to hear their staggering war losses had been compounded by opportunistic sneak attacks on them by their Allies. "Thank God," wept one grateful sailor's mother when she received notification her son had died during the British attack. "Britain may not be willing to fight the Germans, but they're still brave enough to bomb us!"

Sarcasm aside, France was furious about Mers-el-Kebir. It got somewhat swept under the rug when Britain helped the US liberate France years later, but at the time it was a big propaganda coup for Germany.
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>>4991325
The British killed more French civilians in this "battle" than the Germans during five years.
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>>4991339
Krautaboos doesn't work, it needs to slide off the tongue nicely like weaboo does.
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>>4991388
Not him, but it was also bizarrely, a bit of a propaganda coup for the British. America of all nations very much supported the attack, probably because it indicated a British desire to keep fighting, whatever the cost and whatever the odds, and it was instrumental for the gradual loosening of American trade restrictions in regards to the war.
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>>4991205
>German fleet never leaves port again
>Germany gets blockaded, suffers food and supply shortages
>"w-we won the battle guys!"
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>>4991388
>>4991433
Vichy France and the Resistance is more comparable to a mini French civil war in the midst of WW2

many french supported Germany, many supported the allies. It's just liberal historical revisionism and liberal shame that has made them paint it the other way
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>>4991244
Why do people always go ape over this? Obviously it wasn't a very "nice" thing to do, but why the hell would the UK risk having that fleet fall into German hands? Germany promised to respect Vichy neutrality sure, they also promised to not invade Czechoslovakia and Poland beforehand too.
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>>4991339
>>4991437
>britcucks being this delusional

jutland was a tactical german victory
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>>4991437
That had nothing to do with this battle tho
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>>4991315
>"Let's trust the Germans and their puppet regime to not use that massive fleet against us"
>"hell yeah, not like our national security depends entirely on Naval power or anything"
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>>4991461
>implying it wasn't just dishonest backstabbing that is demonstrative of the craven treachery of anglos
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>>4991334
Yes, the UK could peer into the future, saw that happen in the future, and decided to sink the French fleet anyway because they're evil (((Anglos)))
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>>4991457
Yeah, too bad it didn't matter and Germany was starved anyway
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>>4991473
>starved
only in 1916

after that they started smuggling food through the netherlands
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>>4991463
>lets trust a bunch of French fascist puppets to not give Germany their fleet. After all, they protected their Jewish citizens from the Germans and actively cooperated with the Allies in North Africa, right?
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>>4991451
Don't forget how fluid those lines could be sometimes. I lent out my book with the exact figures so I can't give an exact number at the moment, but a big chunk of the Free French forces that fought in Italy were former Vichy troops in Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia that decided to switch sides once Torch and successive operations overran French North Africa.
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>>4991486
>jewish citizens
that didn't happen yet

>cooperating with the allies
why would a neutral state cooperate with the aggressor?
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>>4991489
it sounds a little simplified but people tend to support the side they think that will win

liberals/ideologies hate this fact, but people care more about their own lives than grand ideas like democracy or the fatherland
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>>4991299
>ally
Vichy France was not our ally.
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>>4991397
>About 75,000 Jews were deported to Nazi concentration camps and death camps and 72,500 of them died.
I'm sure all 72,500 were combat personal.
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>>4991456
Well history proved it to be a futile massacre, given that the French prevented the Germans to size their fleet two years later. Unnecessary bloodbaths should always be avoided, but the British never adopted this rule and comitted genocide against the Boers in the 2nd Boer War, bombed German civilians into hell when they were (thanks to the Russians and the US) in a position of power at the end of ww2, etc.
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>Gensoul told the French government that the alternatives were internment or battle but omitted the option of sailing to the French West Indies.[8] Removing the fleet to United States waters had formed part of the orders given by Darlan to Gensoul in the event that a foreign power should attempt to seize his ships.[14]
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>tfw you're so successful that even more than half a century after your fall, people still get butthurt about you, while having to use your own language to complain about it
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>>4991503
the sailors manning that fleet were formerly comrades in arms of the British

but they're just disposable pawns right? just like poland
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>>4991512
It's sad for them, but once your country changes side you are now an enemy.
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>>4991503
Vichy France existed 19 days after the massacre and was a neutral state.
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>>4991516
>neutral
Uh-huh. And I'm sure trusting Hitler's word would have worked out well this time, I mean sure he went back on every agreement he signed but THIS TIME he was being honest!
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>>4991542
>the Jews murdered a Christian child for their Easter celebration
lmao what retarded source did you get these from
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>>4991564
you didn't answer the question and also why are you spamming this in a completely unrelated thread
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>>4991339
>whole point of the battle was to break the blockade
The German fleet was planning an advance against merchant shipping on the south coast of Norway in order to detect individual British units such as the battlecruiser squadrons. Why should they go against an enemy who's outnumbering them in a superior position?
>The rest of your autistic screeching
Whatever you say about your Royal memery, Nigel.
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>>4991559
>>4991564
jesus you are delusional
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>>4991564
>he unironicly believes what Der Stürmer reported
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>>4991542
>>4991559
>>4991564
It makes so sense for people to make this up.

I suspect that 80% of those events happened to some degree (may have been some exaggeration)
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>>4991584
????
why are you being so randomly hostile and spamming in an unrelated thread?
also how do you not find
>the Jews murdered a Christian child for their Easter celebration
>jews celebrating easter
not retardedly hilarious
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>>4991457
No, it wasn't you dumb krautnigger. German navy was literally fucking oblitherted in this battle, and never even managed to leave their ports again.

German sailors were so demoralized after this crushing defeat, that they literally started fucking communist revolution 2 years later.

>>4991485
Uhmm.... No? Krautniggers were literally eating horse shit by November of 1918, and it was one of the reasons Revolution started.

Please, try to screech about ''stab in the back now''. Make my day.
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>>4991591
*No sense
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>>4991598
>i was only pretending to be retarded
do you really find such low effort trolling fun
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>>4991594
>obliterated
nice autism friend

the only ones who were destroyed were those brit cucks dying for their elite
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>>4991594
this is the most butthurt /int/fag post i've seen in a while
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>>4991603
No, it was krauts who were destroyed. Their Navy was so fucking tiny and irrelevant, that this battle destroyed it.

>brit cucks dying for their elite

Lemme gues. It was da jooooos. Back to Pol/
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*Saved from crushing defeat by the Prussians*

What a glorious victory for Britannia!
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>>4991626
And outnumbering the frogs almost 2 to 1.
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>>4991509

>Well history proved it to be a futile massacre, given that the French prevented the Germans to size their fleet two years later.
>two years later
Yes, the British did not have future goggles to predict this.
>but the British never adopted this rule and comitted genocide against the Boers in the 2nd Boer War,
Ofc nobody gives a shit about the Germans omitting genocide in Namibia at the same time. Unsurprisingly, the /pol/acks here cry over whites.
>bombed German civilians into hell when they were (thanks to the Russians and the US) in a position of power at the end of ww2, etc.
The RAF was bombing Germany since the very start, not at the end, and I fail to see why they should have stopped when Germany was still lobbing V2s at Antwerp and London.
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>>4991511
I like how normies share these pictures of soldiers doing funny things meanwhile there is probably an Achmed being run over by those tank tracks
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>>4991516
>was a neutral state.
"""Neutral""".
>"hey France, you don't have to deport all your Jews to us"
>Too late my German master, I already helped you murder my own citizens because I agree with your ideology
Petain should have been shot
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>>4991640
Tbf, most of the army was made up of Krauts and Dutch conscripts

An army full of pure blooded English men would have OBLITERATED the French
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>>4991594
>German sailors were so demoralized after this crushing defeat, that they literally started fucking communist revolution 2 years later.
Fucking Sailors and communism, first Russia then this
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>>4991639
Back to Pol Stormo.
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>>4991626
More like Prussian scum saved by Superior English army.
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>>4991652
>stabs a random guy
>"Sorry dude ! I didn't have future goggles to predict you wouldn't harm me first !"
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>>4991658
These Jews weren't citizens of France. Only Eastern European jewish refugees were handed to the Germans without knowing they were setting up some gruesome stuff in Germany. Not a single French Jew has been deported, and 75 % of the Jews in France survived.
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>>4991660
>pure blooded english
>pure blooded
>english
lmao, literal mutts of the germanic world
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>>4991660
>be anglo
>never fought a battle in 1vs1 against a major power
>"pure blooded Englishmen WOULD have oblitered the [random European nationality] if they HAD met them in combat."
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>>4991730
English are purer that krautniggers.
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>>4991730
English people are mostly Celts, not Germans.
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>>4991742
The majority of the British aren't racially Germanic.
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>>4991205
>examples of anglo manipulation of history

anon, this whole timeline was made by anglos
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>>4991751
Formely: Romans(Britons) and Celts
Then: Angle, saxons and jutes
Later: Vikangs and Normans
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>>4991778
Anglos and jutes are subhumans
Only saxons managed to keep England safe
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>>4991702
>random guy happens to be a puppet to your enemy and also possess the only thing that can gain access to your house
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>>4991778
Anglos are neither Celts nor Germanics, they are mostly descended from pre-IE populations, particularly WHG and NAF.
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>>4991715
>Not a single French Jew has been deported,
Oooh hahah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vel%27_d%27Hiv_Roundup
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>>4991715
>75,000 non citizen Jews deported
Uh-huh, sounds really believable.
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>>4991734
>>never fought a battle in 1vs1 against a major power
>what is Peninsular War
"But it doesn't count because Napoleon wasn't there!" His Marshals were very much competent men and whipped the rest of Europe as much as Napoleon himself did.
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>>4991790
t. Alfred the great
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>>4991791
>kills 1200 French sailors
>sinks only one ship
>the rest of the ships are repaired in the year following the "battle"
>all of them are sank by Vichy 2 years later.

That's the very characterization of a futile massacre.
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>>4991754
Exactly. They are superior Anglo-Saxons, not mongrelized krautniggers with delusions of grandeur.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution

>overthrow the dynasty that ruled your country since Norman times by foreign influence
>have your monarchy replaced by some Dutch prince
>call it a 'glorious revolution'
AHAHAHAHHAA
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>>4991799
Learn history m8.

>When France came under occupation by Nazi Germany in June 1940, there were about 330,000 Jews living in France (and 370 000 in French North Africa). Of the 330,000, fewer than half held French citizenship. The others were foreigners, mostly exiles from Germany and Central Europe who had immigrated to France during the 1930s.[8] Another 110,000 French Jews were living in the colony of French Algeria.[49]
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>>4991830
>tfw a neonazi fucktard tells me to learn history
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>4991817
>>overthrow the dynasty that ruled your country since Norman times by foreign influence
>Stuarts
>same dynasty as William the Conqueror
>implying Norman Yoke are a good thing anyway
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>>4991803
>1vs1
>what is Spain, what is Portugal
>what is the whole Iberian population resisting the French occupation and calling the Peninsula War the "Independance War" in their own languages
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>>4991817
english are used to being ruled by different people at this point
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>>4991817
>>overthrow the dynasty that ruled your country since Norman times by foreign influence
William stop posting on 4chan
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>>4991850
>dunkirk
>tactical

wasn't that also strategical victory ?

without 300k troops britain probably would've lost in africa as well
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>>4991889
It would have more probably immediatly surrendered.
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>>4991889
The loss of the BEF would have been a blow but the "miracle of Dunkirk" is basically just propaganda, it didn't actually matter in the long run either way.
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>>4991803
>what is Peninsular War

A war in which Britain had allies
Try again
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>>4991922
France had allies and almost always did

1v1 feget is reddit tier
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>>4991817
Normans are crypto-Anglos
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>>4991865
>>4991875
>>4991888
>>4991969
I meant that the overthrowing was exectued by foreign influence, not that the normans were a foreign influence. I mean they kind of were, but after a few centuries you'd say it isn't seen as a foreign dynasty anymore
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>>4991959
>France had allies
France had puppets states
Aka countries that were initially against them but then subdued by force
Not comparable

>and almost always did
Unlike Britain/England, France fought quite a few wars alone against coalitions
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>>4991985
Every man a Anglo
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>>4991959
>France had allies and almost always did

Hmmm yeah
Cause having Irish and Polish rebels as allies is totally comparable to having the HRE, Prussia, Russia, Spain....etc
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>>4991992
>HAHA YEAH! FRANCE DID MORE FIGHT WOO
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>>4991205
The go-to example is always The War of Jenkins' Ear.
>Britain starts war with Spain in hopes of dominating Caribbean trade
>assemble the largest British naval fleet in history at that point at Cartagena de Indias in preparation for the invasion
>it dwarfs the earlier Spanish Armada
>near 30,000 troops (16,000 soldiers/marines and 12,000 sailors), 29 ships of the line, 22 frigates, 71 sloops of war, 80 troopships, 50 merchant ships
>begin assault by attempting to take local island fort manned by 2,500 Spanish soldiers with six ships of the line and a few batteries
>get BTFO
>literally 20,000 casualties, 1,500 guns lost, 54 ships of all types lost or heavily damaged
>meanwhile another British attack of 2,000 troops on a colony in Spanish Florida fails terribly
>British raids on Venezuela (La Guaira and Puerto Cabello) of 7,000+ men fails, hundreds to thousands more casualties
>British war goals in shambles, military devastated by numerically-inferior Spaniards
>"oh but a local Spanish governor took 1,000 regulars and a few hundred militia+natives and made a failed raid on Georgia, therefore the war was a draw!"
Look at the Wikipedia talk page. The rage is hilarious. So are the sources: Dewald, Harding, Lawrence, Olson, Woodfine, Sir Richard Lodge, Pearce, Roger, etc.
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All of these people in this thread complaining that England/ Britain doesn't squander it's men in battles are pathetic. You are all probably resorting to this argument because you are/ hail from a country that does. Sad. Consider suicide.
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>>4992050
The wikipedia page literally explains how spain won
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>>4992019
>fighting 1 vs 1 and not outnumbering the enemy is a bad requirement
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>>4991742
what is this a map of?
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>>4992068
Last time Britain fought a 1 vs 1 battle this is what happened.
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>>4991244
I found a newspaper article about that, it had been used as insulation in our house.
It was from the at the time very pro-German Sweden and it was very straightforward with how the brits couldn't afford to let the fleet be used against them in the future.
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>>4992106
Reminder that tiny England ravaged France for over 100 years and even had their king crowned king of France
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sorry but how did the french empire win the 3rd coalition war
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>>4991689
The French rout is entirely thanks to the Prussians arriving at their flank and nearly encircling them.

The French had come close to breaking through several times during the battle, and given enough chances, they would have.
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>>4992123
More like England obtained half of France when the French family who owned said lands took over the English throne
Then England proceeded to lose it all through war
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>>4992125
By buttraping the Austrians and Russians at Austerlitz
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>>4992123
>English retardation
The English king was a Frenchman, he spoke French and no English, lived in France most of his life, spending only 6 month in England in his entire existence. So were and so did most of the English nobility. And the "tiny island" wasn't so tiny precisely because it inherited large portions of France : Normandy, Gasconny, parts of Aquitaine, etc, that were loyal to their feudal lord (the French king of England). If you look at the battles, the French and the English always bring up about the same number of troops.
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>>4992149
You mean a Norman
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>>4992105
Probably Slavic place names in Eastern Germany
During the migration period (4th-6th c. the part of Germania between the Elbe and Weichsel had been severely depopulated and then the slavs settled there, and since the old place names were lost or forgotten, they brought their own. When this area was retaken by Germans in the middle ages there were still slavs living there so people kept using their names.
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>>4992157
Plantagenets weren't Normans
They were Angevins, from Anjou
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>>4992157
He was literally a Frenchman. Even Guillaume le Conquérant was a Frenchman (3/4 French blood, 1/4 viking). The "Normans are vikings" is a silly meme. And what the English call "anglo-norman" is just standard middle French, I can understand it without being norman.
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>>4992141
What the fuck
I'm talking about the hundred years' war
France getting cucked for a century
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>>4991205
>>See Outcome
what the fuck
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>>4992149
Literal autist
I'm talking about HYW
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>>4992189
it was more like civil war between French lords. The ones really cucked are the English peasants shitted upon by their French "Norman" lords for more than 4 centuries
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>>4992195
So is he
French kings were still ruling England during the HYW
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>>4992197
>>4992198
Yes of course. The 'French' lords who had lived in England for 300 years and interbred for so long that they were indistinguishable from the general populace.
Oh and nevermind the fact that it was English BULLS pillaging France
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>>4992195
So am I. Henry IV was the first English king after 1066 to speak English. This was 350 years after the Norman conquest, and during the HYW where most of the English nobility was still ethnically and culturally French.
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>>4992212
Wrong
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>>4992215
Edward III and Richard II, the two first English kings of the HYW didn't even speak a word of English. Deal with it.
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>>4992225
Wrong
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>>4992225
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>>4992225
Also, the kings spoke French because it was prestigious, doesn't mean France ruled England
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>>4992211
>Yes of course. The 'French' lords who had lived in England for 300 years and interbred for so long that they were indistinguishable from the general populace.

That's were your wrong
The first post-1066 English king to speak English natively was Henry IV, who started reigning in 1399

>Henry's mother was Blanche, heiress to the considerable Lancaster estates, and thus he became the first King of England from the Lancaster branch of the Plantagenets and the first King of England since the Norman Conquest whose mother tongue was English rather than French.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_IV_of_England

So from 1066 to 1399 (333 years), England was ruled by kings whose first language was French
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>>4992248
>king not lords
>speak English natively
And the goalposts are gone
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>>4992240
It does mean France ruled England. England abandoned the French language precisely when it began losing its (inherited) French possessions. Most of the English kings lived in France, either in Normandy either in Gasconny. Some of them even only spoke Occitan ie. Southern French quite different from standard French.
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>>4992240
>doesn't mean France ruled England

No one says that "France ruled England"
Just that England was ruled by French people
Not all the French people belong to the same political entity
Just because the Plantagenets were French doesn't mean they were loyal to the French king
Hence why civil wars exist
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>>4992255
Oh my god
I'm. Talking. About. The. HYW
They didn't live in France since 1214
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>>4992256
How does that lessen the fact that English troops raped France for over a century
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>>4992255
No that means Norman Dukes ruled england as King of England.
The King of France had no dominion over England.
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>>4992256
Yes I'm sure if you told a French peasant who saw his village get burned: "don't worry it was the French, not the English who did that" they would warmly accept your conciliatory words
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>>4992267
And that French lords shitted on ethnic English peasants for 350 years.
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>>4992271
>Norman Dukes

Only from 1066 to 1154
Then from 1154 to 1485 it was Angevin Counts
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>>4992276
How? England prospered since the Normans, but when the English invaded France they destroyed everything
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>>4992272
>obviously doesn't know shit about the middle ages
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>>4992272
Are you trying to imply that French people can't hate other French people?
Civil wars between people of the same ethnicity happen all the time
Just because the King of England was French doesn't mean a French peasant couldn't hate him
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>>4992282
Excellent refutation pierre
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>>4992280
>How? England prospered since the Normans


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrying_of_the_North
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>>4992290
1 year putting down rebels compares to 100 of looting
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>>4992280
Actually they intermarried with the French nobility, that's why they kept their culture and language for 350 years. To be compared with the Norman vikings whose language and culture disappeared in only 3 generations probably because they weren't enough vikings in the surroundings to intermarry with.
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>>4992296
>Ackshyually your source is wrong
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>>4991205
>Beatty attempts to use his battlecruisers as battleships
>Sink a few of them, he realizes his mistake and withdraws
>Run away before the Home Fleet shows up and curbstomps you
W-we won, Hans!
>>4991457
"Tactical victory" is a meme term that has no actual relevance with regards to history.
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>>4992287
Being raped by neighboring lords was very common stuff for medieval peasants. Lorraine had been raped by Burgundians (who were French) at the time of Joan of Arc. So I guess it wasn't very different. Aside from the fact the soldiers were crooked teeth and dirty English hunchbacked bastards instead of French Chads.
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>>4992300
>a picture with two lines written on it
>a legit source
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>>4992296
The French kept their language in England because they were conquerors, and thus could impose their will on the locals

Meanwhile, Rollo's men were offered Normandy after being defeated by the French, and under the condition of becoming christians, vassals of the kings....etc
They were forced to assimilate
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>>4992314
>crooked teeth and dirty English hunchbacked bastards instead of French Chads.
Opinion disregarded pierre francois de fartingougne
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>>4992320
>wikipedia is wrong
boomer please
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>>4992296
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>>4992290
>Chad Guillaume le Conquérant punishing the English's treacherousness in advance
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>>4992338
>the French rule England
>the English are treacherous
Pick one louis
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>>4991904
>it didn't actually matter in the long run either way.
I'm fairly sure it mattered quite a lot in that it kept morale afloat, as opposed to causing a total collapse and surrender
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>>4992337
Bullshit. For example the Magna Carta (1215) was written in latin and translated into French so the nobility could understand it. Only decades later had it been translated into English. The quasi totality of the lords that signed the Magna Carta had standard French names.
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>>4992363
The level of mental gymnastics here are astounding.
>muh language
What language are you speaking?
English
Why?
It's the language of international prestige
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>>4992396
>What language are you speaking?
Not related to the debate, but English

>Why?
Because it's the language of the current cultural superpower and world hegemon

This doesn't compare in any way to the situation in Medieval England tho, as international mass media didn't exist in that era
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>>4992424
But French was seen as cultured so things were done in French
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>>4992433
That's true only from the 17th century onward
Louis XIV is the one who made French popular among nobility all over Europe

But in the middle ages, French was spoken only were French nobles dominated (France, England and Crusader states)
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>>4992396
>What language are you speaking?
>English
>Why?

Have you ever heard of the US ? I love how the English think it's British English people speak around the world. Britain is a small island poorer than France, with close to no impact on the world. Deal with it.
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>>4992455
France was the cultural centre of the high middle ages and regardless of what other countries thought, England saw French as cultured and sophisticated so they spoke it as evidenced in my source
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>>4992473
Retard please, i never said the English made it the lingua franca
At least now i know you're obsessed
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>>4992473
>Britain is a small island poorer than France
Are you autistic on purpose
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>>4992494
Per capita (2017) in $
Fr : 39,869
En : 39,735
Per hour worked in $
Fr : 59.24
En : 51.38
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>>4992501
Just stop
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>>4992512
>Chooses PPP and not nominal
wow truly a low IQ moron
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>>4992473
>close to no impact on the world
Digging that hole deeper and deeper anon...
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>>4992519
>Chooses nominal and not PPP
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>>4992545
>doesn't know the definition of "rich"
>doesn't look for per capita data

Is it because of the high levels of inbreeding in Britain ?
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>>4992512
>>4992512
>a whole $70-130 difference in GDP per capita

HOLY SHIT SOMEONE CALL THE MONEY POLICE
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>>4992563
Why are you still here?
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>>4992567
>posts calling UK poorer than France
>proven otherwise
>"who cares"
Suggestion:
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>>4992323
Vikings in France were never defeated, you dumb fuck. They literally burned and sacked Paris, and only left when French paid them off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAInHOm0tBE
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>>4992133
No, you dumb fuck. Prussians only arrived when French were already withdrawing.
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>>4992580
France had a higher GDP >>4992501 and a lower one here >>4992512; with a paltry difference in both that probably isn't statistically significant
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>>4992580
>childlikely continues to pretend PPP is a good means of comparairing countries' relative wealth.
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>>4992279
Shut the fuck up, you autist. Frenchies NEVER rulled England, and William conqueror was a fucking Viking.

Hundret years war was basically tiny England anihilating Frenchies for over the century.
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>>4992582
>Siege of Paris 845 AD

Fucking retard....
Rollo's was given Normandy in 911 (66 years after the events in your video) after being defeated by the French king in the Siege of Chartres
Now stop talking on topics you know jack shit about and go educate yourself
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>>4992615
>Frenchies NEVER rulled England
They did
Normans from 1066 to 1154 and Angevins from 1154 to 1485

>William conqueror was a fucking Viking
That's wrong, but even if it had been true, the Angevins (who weren't Normans but pure French people from Anjou) ruled England for three centuries
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>>4992601
Where are the goalposts
Also by your logic Luxembourg is richer than the US, so what's your point
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>>4992601
PPP per capita is
nominal per capita is useless
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>>4992615
>>4992627
>still arguing about this
Fuck off, it's resolved
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>the Dutch stadtholder invades your country with a fleet 3 times the size of the Spanish Armada
>basically tells your army to stop fighting and go back to their families
>army complies almost without fighting
>Dutch occupy London and make their head Swamp Jew king of England
>English call it the fucking Glorious Revolution

It is truly unbelievable
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>>4992601
Lmao we went from
>Britain is poorer than France
to
>Per capita
To
>nominal
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>>4992627
if they were fucking frogs can you explain why the British speak English as of today and not French ?
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>>4992627
Lancasters took over in 1399. At least learn some basic dates, it isn't hard
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>>4992642
>On 20 July 911, at the Battle of Chartres, they defeated Rollo despite the absence of many French barons and of Charles the Simple.

Oh well, the French king wasn't present himself, big fucking deal
Still the point is that Rollo didn't conquer shit and was offered Normandy after a defeat in exchange for submission
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>>4992652
>if they were fucking frogs can you explain why the British speak English as of today and not French ?

Because the French domination over England ceased in 1485
English language still bears the marks of this domination tho
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>>4992647
>half English statholder 'invades' England
>is cucked by parliament
>England controls Dutch navy
>Dutch bankers and merchants move to England
>Holland becomes irrelevant
Too easy
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>>4992648
>"wow India is a damn rich country, look at that, its GDP is higher than fucking Switzerland !"
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>>4992494
>>4992501
>>4992512
>>4992567
>>4992600
GDP is a fairly useless metric anyway. Like two bald men arguing over a comb.
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>>4992654
Lancasters (and Yorks) are a cadet branch of the House Plantagenet, baboon
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>>4992668
Then what is your point faggot?
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>>4992675
>"LOOK AT THIS MEME CHART, LOOK AT IT!!!1"
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>>4991299
The British told them to go to a friendly port and stay there till the end of the war, which the French refused.
They were warned multiple times, and they refused to cooperate. Churchill couldn't allow the Germans to get that fleet. The French should be pissed off at their cuck government not the British for protecting themselves.
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>>4992679
That, unlike what GDP nominal could make you believe, India is one of the poorest shitholes on Earth
Oh wait, maybe you're one of these British nationalists who think India is the pinacle of a successful ex-colony...lmao
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>>4992149
>The English king was a Frenchman, he spoke French and no English, lived in blah blah blah

His men weren't though
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>>4992679
The point is that wealth = per capita GDP, not total GDP. And in particular, nominal GDP, but that'd be too hard to explain to you. Are all British people that retarded on this board ?
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>>4992695
No, US is the pinnacle of an ex-colony :^)
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>>4992688
Except his was outight ignorant bullshit mixing up battles half a century apart while mine was a technicality

Defeated by the men of the king = defeated by the king to some extend
Don't Americans consider they defeated King George in their revolutionary war?
Don't Brits consider they defeated Napoleon in the Peninsular War?
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>>4992692
The Brits only sank one ship. The rest was repaired and the French fleet quasi intact two years later, when this "cucked governement" decided to scuttle the fleet to prevent the Germans from getting it.
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>>4992702
>nominal
Why are you still posting
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>>4992785
>And for the record, Brits do not consider themselves victors over Napoleon in the Peninsula, but victors over the French

This is what you actually believe
If fact, they even consider themselves as victors over Napoleon for Trafalgar
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Operation Market Garden
>we sold Poland to Soviets
>it would be a real shame if our Polish “allies” were massacred if we would send their light infantry without heavy equipment and support against elite SS panzer divisions
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>Thinking KDR matters in warfare

The easiest way to spot an amateur
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>>4991315
It clearly says it was done by the German-controlled Vichy government
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>>4993019
Bad example, most of the soldiers were Germans.
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>>4993062
Why risk glorious Anglo-Saxon lives when you can hire an army of insectoid Krauts
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>>4991205
>battle which ensured the continuation of the blockade and a demoralised High Seas Fleet which caused a rebellion which collapsed the entire social order instead of sailing out in force again
VS
>a few explodey bois
Muh KDR!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raid_on_Bari

>General Dwight D. Eisenhower approved Dr. Alexander's report. Winston Churchill, however, ordered all British documents to be purged. Mustard gas deaths were described as "burns due to enemy action".[3]

>U.S. records of the attack were declassified in 1959, but the episode remained obscure until 1967 when author Glenn B. Infield published the book Disaster at Bari.[29] In 1986 the British government admitted to survivors of the Bari raid that they had been exposed to poison gas and amended their pension payments
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>>4994539
BEADY
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>>4992647
Shut the fuck up, Dutch navy was fucking pathetic.
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>>4991457
Big round of applause for the Hochseeflotte guys, they won a single battle in its entire history
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>>4992617
''When Rollo led the Danes in a siege, they were formidable enough to persuade Charles the Simple that they might become valuable allies.''

LMAO you dumb fuck. Vikings literally had numerical superiority, and were not even engaged in this ''battle''. Frenchies literally had to give them entire northern France to stop them from ravaging the rest of the country.
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>that 30 years old boomer who deleted all his posts in this thread


What are the chance he posted CP on some board and had all of his posts on this website deleted at once with some admin tool?
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>>4992161
This area was never ''retaken'' you dumb krautnigger, Slavs simply agreed to vassalisation, krautniggers could not use force to assimilate them.

Daily reminder, that the most succesful German state of Prussia, was made 90% from Balto-Salvs. Suck it krauts.
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>>4992013
when did France beat Portugal lad take your medicine 3 invasions were sent to a country abandoned by its monarchy and 3 invasions returned home ... well part of them anyway
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>>4991730
the English are Celto-Latins
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>>4995637
Stop being a retarded faggot now, Sven
Rollo was defeated and offered his swamp after a defeat, period
It's time you pathetic Scandis accept vikings were mostly shit when facing real armies (to the point that one TV serie has to go full revisionism to make vikings seem strong)

>Frenchies literally had to give them entire northern France to stop them from ravaging the rest of the country.
Fuck off retard, the Normandy Rollo was offered in 911 was literally a tiny swamp at the estuary of the Seine river
It's his Frenchified descendents in 1050 who expended it (through inheritance rather than war btw)
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>>4995662
>when did France beat Portugal

You mean in the French Revolutionary Wars (the war on the pic you're refering to)?

Here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Pyrenees

And here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Oranges
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>>4995685
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Oranges

Lmao
Reminder that Portushits never got Olivenza back
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>>4995670
Scandis are Germanic, you dumb fuck. We basically fucking WON, and Rollo destroyed you. You had to agree to his demands.

We build Slavia basically, Kiev and Novogrod were Germanic settlements build by Germanic dynasty.

In WW1 and 2 we fought the entire world and almost fucking won, you are a dumb Frenchie with inferiority complex.
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>>4995646
>the most successful German state
>Prussia
no way. The most successful was the Rhineland. Only in war Prussia war good, but all the scientific and cultural production basically comes from the Rhineland.
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>>4995706
Simply epic
Btw, reminder that both Rollo and the Frankish nobles who defeated him were Germanic
Now you can LARP as the victors since you know they were Germanic too, instead of fapping to that loser Rollo
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>>4995706
>France fears the G*rmanic insectoid !
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>>4995706
Btw the French never had a inferiority complex, you won't find any of it in all the history back to the birth of the French nation. However, there existed a strong inferiority complex of the Germans toward the French, even in recent history ; just read Mein Kampf.
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>>4995735
>Napoopan who always made fun of Davout for his bad eye sight said that his marshal was seeing double when he reported that he beat off the main Prussian army
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>>4995763
>The numbers are fake ! The Prussians gave half of their territory to the French even though most of their army didn't attend any battle !
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>>4995749
Please, in WW2 and Franco-Prussian war Germany curbstomped Frenchies, didn't they?
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>>4995721
Nope, Prussians unified small German shithole states into an Empire.

Germany's riches basically only come from Rhineland because they won a fucking Geo-lottery and were sitting on vast Coal reserves which enabled Germs to industralize.
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>>4995838
>Germany beat France twice, only once really because the French eventually won
>France raped German's a dozen times in less than a century
It's not really comparable is it?
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>>4995849
>WW2 doesen't count because we were freed from the occupatipn by Americans!!! And we ended up occupying small part of Germany after we begged Allies to take part in Occupation!!!

This level of delusion.
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>>4995867
>2 victories max
>Acts like a big boy when he's lost both of the wars he started
>Had to literally rely on Frenchies to defend his leaders bunker in the second one
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>>4995894
Germany fought the entire world, you dumb fuck and they almost won twice. In WW1 Germany would have anihilated Frenchies 1v1 and in WW2 you lost in 10 days you retard.
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>>4991205

>A complicated event has an outcome that cannot be summed up in one line
>This must be le anglo perdify
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>>4995907
>Wow, it took ten of you
Fuck off DSP, you made your bed by being too autistic to ally with someone useful, now lie in it
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>>4995908
Oh, the outcome is really simple. Brits curbstomped the krauts who for a second thought their tiny sufrace navy can challange the rulers of Seven seas.

In WW2 krauts had to rely on their pathetic hit-and-run attacks of U-boats.
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>>4995867
Being conquered by your enemy but then liberated by your allies counts as a victory tho
I know it because this one Portuguese poster >>4995662 said so
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>>4991512

Are you this angry about German soldiers fighting and killing their Russian and Italian former comrades in arms?
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>>4995706
>In WW1 and 2 we fought the entire world and almost fucking won, you are a dumb Frenchie

>>4995907
>Germany fought the entire world, you dumb fuck and they almost won twice.


Lmao "almost won", how pathetic
Meanwhile France fought the entire world and actually won
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>>4995949
This.

Krautniggers even raped and murdered Italian women during their trecherous invasion of Italy in 1943.
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>>4992149

>Richard I is all the Norman and Angevin/Plantagenet kings
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>>4995951
Fuck off with your retarded meme map.
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>>4996024
>Butthurt : The definition
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>>4996209
Frenchies are sub-humans and servants of Germans.




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