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Hitler was unironically a good painter.
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Why wasn’t he accepted into art school again

I think it’s because his paintings weren’t edgy enough or something
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>>5328197
No he wasn't
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>>5328242
>tfw your staircase blocks your first floor window
I bet the Jews were behind this
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>>5328242
>muh perspektive autism

The painting look nice, faggot.
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>>5328215
Literal postcard tier
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>OP
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>>5328242
Good painting doesn't have anything to do with exact perspective. Still his paintings look really stiff. The narrow-minded precision in how he paints all the tiny windows reveals his anal character and what a really boring guy he must have been.
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>judging an artist's merit by his postcards
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>>5328242
>Guy can paint better than 99% of the population
>Knows he's not the best
>Wants to go to art school to fix that
>...
>HURR DURR LOOK AT THIS FAG WANTING TO GO TO ART SCHOOL DOESN'T HE KNOW HE WASN'T THE BEST WHY WOULD ANYONE WHO DOESN'T LEAVE THE WOMB A MASTER AT A GIVEN SUBJECT WANT IMPROVE?
How does that paste taste, anon?
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>>5328231
Because he applied to the architect school, but didn't have a high school diploma so was rejected.
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>>5328326
Painters like Hitler are a dime a dozen
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>>5328242
isnt that the point of the school
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>>5328326
>I don't know how tertiary education works.
You need to be 18 to post on 4chan.
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>>5328242
Maybe if he was accepted into art school, he would have been able to improve himself? It's not like he was terrible, he certainly had talent, despite being flawed. With fine-tuning, he could have been much better.
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>>5328197
He had talent and skill for being an architect/scenery artist, but he needed to go over his basics of lining shit up and proportions.
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>>5328326
>The Vienna Academy is where you go to learn how to paint
1) You're a fucking idiot
2) I literally see better art at the Saturday markets
>>5328339
Do you teach you how to spell at university?
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>>5328236
did hitler always wear that armband?
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>>5328342
>Maybe if he was accepted into art school, he would have been able to improve himself?
It wasnt like nowadays that schools were payed shitton of money for how many students did they had, every tenth person having some painting skills doesnt mean that every tenth person should get into the painting academies and get money for working as painters.
Not to mention that having sort of realistic painting doesnt mean that you are a good painter.
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>>5328372
How else would they know he's Hitler?
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>>5328372
In most of his public appearances.
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>>5328376
i dunno, his iconic mustache? not that it was iconic back then, lots of people had it before, but after it certainly was. after all, hitler without the mustache looks like your average old man with a suit.
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>>5328257
>comfy train station art is bad
Fuck off and never come back
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>>5328215
looks like an illustration i'd see in my 1970s encyclopedia from the Polish People's Republic
not bad
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>>5328197
>Windows behind stairs
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>>5328257
i'd like to live there
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>>5328410
he probably knew he fucked up but he couldn't just erase it like in mspaint so it was left that way
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>>5328326
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>>5328342
I’d like to go to Harvard to improve myself, but I’d still need to be smart enough to get in to begin with. Hitler wanted to go to the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts (which was basically as prestigious as Harvard), but he had to be good enough to get in to begin with. He wasn’t, as >>5328242 demonstrates
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>>5328197
Jesus just look at it how could you consider that a good painting. He could paint the textures well, sure, but that doesn't make him any better than a Warhammer figurine painter. His perspectives and structures are a fucking mess
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>>5328197
Nice isometric perspective, whip-dick. Next time try a vanishing point, I think you'll find it an interesting challenge.
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>muh perspective!!!!1!1!1!1!1!1!
Fuck off brainlets. Understand true art
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>>5328197
Those pylons are quite funky
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>>5328425
I bet you're the same sort of person who thinks abstract art is shit because it's not real enough. You are the autistics of the art world
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>>5328434
this
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>>5328197
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>>5328206
Ok, so he's drawing some large public buildings. What's he saying with it? What does it mean? "I like buildings" that's all he's saying. It's like equating penmanship with writing.
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>>5328446
Prove me wrong then, what makes Hitlers work "true art"?
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>>5328457
>expert use of textures and shading in order to make the painting come alive
Gee I wonder.
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>>5328286
he is happy
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>>5328457
Accuracy.
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>>5328461
>expert use of textures and shading
You mean like here >>5328204?
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>>5328481
Yes.
Problem, dumbass?
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Literally none of these paintings were by hitler.
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>>5328461
>Expert
lol
>>5328472
If it was accurate it wouldn't have retarded corners, doors higher than 4 meters and staircases blocking windows
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>>5328491
>lol
What a great argument
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>>5328492
Calling anything he did expert is only worthy of a lol
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>>5328498
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>>5328482
That's an example of failed shading/texture, you dumb nigger.

Just look at those copypasted windows (btw do you see that one lulzy window in the middle?) that don't change colour regardless if they are in shade or not.
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>>5328507
He was literally an amateur painter you fucking moron, how can he be an expert? Hitlerities will excuse literally fucking anything
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>JA MAINE FURER YOU"RE THE GREATEST PAINTER
>ICH LIEBE YOUR ART IT"S BEAUTIFUL
>DU BIST GREATEST PERSONA
>WHAT COULD BE
>FUCKING ALLIES DESTROYING THE DREAM
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>>5328542
Who are you quoting you dumbass? No one said that here
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He had potential but never got perspective quite right
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>>5328209

damn that's cozy
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>>5328552
>No one said that here
You are right, we got much more cringeworthy shit like "muh expert shading".
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>>5328215
The technique is fine but these paintings have no style, I get zero emotion or atmosphere from them.

With the exception of maybe this one >>5328209 they might as well be just photos of those buildings from the most basic perspective.
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>>5328197
unironically, he was not
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>one more thread about muh hitler made by /pol/ poster without entry historical knowledge
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>a man has a passion in life
>he wants to join an institution to become proficient in what he loves
>alas his request is denied
>somewhere along the process he does very evil things
>70 years later people are ad-hominem criticizing his skills
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>>5328326
>go to the greatest authority of art in all of germany to learn to paint
are you dumb?
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>>5328576
I liked the first one a lot desu. the rest are meh, except for the one you mentioned.
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>>5328661
>a man has a passion in life
>he wants to join an institution to become proficient in what he loves
>alas his request is denied
nothing wrong with that
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>>5328560
What's your problem?
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>>5328197
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>>5328206
You really don't have to be an expert to tell that these are complete shit. Not only are they bland and boring, they even fail at the technical aspect due to absolutely shit proportions and relative lines.

Plus, art schools, even today, accept a small number of students so they're pretty selective.
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>>5328243
What's the sauce? Style reminds me a lot of 20CB.
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>>5328209
This one is really comfy
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>>5328231
Everyone could paint like that at the turn of the century. Why do you think Picasso is so highly regarded? He was painting at a higher level than hitler in his teenage years, and spent the rest of his life experimenting and challenging norms. Hitler’s skill was common, and therefore indicative of mediocrity.
Mediocre students don’t get into the best art school.
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>>5328206
>those proportions
>fucked up perspective
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Sure, hitler was a good painter. I‘m a good guitar player, but I guarantee you that I could never have gotten into Juliard. It’s not hard to get good at something, anon, it just takes a few years of practice. Art schools don’t want good painters, they want the best painters.
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>>5328243
Ouch.
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>>5328253
It looks bland as fuck. Like the other guy mentioned, everyone could paint in similar styles and at least they didn't fuck up the windows-stairs bit.
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>>5328197
It's okay.
>>5328995
It doesn't really matter if he could make good stuff, he chose to make bad stuff.
Picasso's most famous works are unicersally ugly.
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>>5328197
Not an artfag but the perspective has always seem off in his paintings. You can sort of see it whenever he tries to paint buildings/walls at an angle. Not bad but it isn't a clear representation fo reality which is what i think he was going for
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>>5328231
Because other than carefully copying buildings he was quite lacking as an artist at that time.
If you can't draw a human then no artschool will waste their time on you.
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>>5328233
Anyone knows what happened to that academy of art that reject him when Hitler took the power? He got his revenge?
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He wasn't bad, but he wasn't particularly talented or creative either. Compositions were average, he was bad at drawing humans, and his perspective is off on a lot of his works. If we was working today, he would be a "working class" artist doing matte paintings and reproductions, not a groundbreaking famous one.
Vienna at the time was looking for avant-garde "modern" artists at the time he applied, and the classes were small so being a merely average landscape painter wasn't going to get him in.
You also have to remember he was completely self-taught.
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>>5328552
>Who are you quoting you dumbass? No one said that here
He's butthurt or some shit. Boomers being boomers
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>>5329122
He did go after the art community yeah, can't have people more talented than yourself making stuff you don't like after all.
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>>5328243
sad
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>>5329122
>>5329182
He never took any revenge on the Academy of Fine Arts in Vienna. "Go after the art community" is also pretty vague considering he sponsored a lot of artists he liked. You could say he went after "degenerate art", but it was more of a party-wide movement against modernism than just a personal vendetta.
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All these faggots that can’t appreciate Kitsch.

Disgusting.
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>>5328257
that's a photo
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>>5329226
>he went after "degenerate art", but it was more of a party-wide movement against modernism than just a personal vendetta.
Oh yeah, there was no saltiness at all from his side when he forced professors to resign and banned their art from being displayed. Sounds legit.
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>>5328737
exactly, nothing wrong with that, he was an okay painter, not the best. but people are thrashing it merely because of things he did 30 years later
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Since we can clearly see that Hitler was a decent artist, and the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts rejected him anyway, is the Academy partially at fault for the murder of seven million Jews?
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>>5328231
He wasn’t great at painting faces
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>>5328209
This one is nice, he should have expanded off this sort of style.
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>>5329258
Source?
And were these the same professors who was on his evaluation panel when he was applying?
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>>5328373
>Not to mention that having sort of realistic painting doesnt mean that you are a good painter
You people are such hypocrites.
>Hitler was a shitty painter look how bad his perspective was in this painting!
>Now THIS malformed representation of a person with no sense of realistic perspective is the work of a TRUE painter.

Absolutely ridiculous.
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>>5328444
>Painters have to SAY something
I really hate this shitty leftist meme.
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>>5329391
>with no sense of realistic perspective
fuck off retard
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>>5329391
>Hitler tries to paint realism and fails
>Dix tries to draw a "malformed representation of a person" and succeeds
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>>5328334
If he took most pre-university qualifications he'd get a pretty good grade if he turned those in for his final exam.
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>>5328560
It's better work than 90% of people that'll go in to take art A-level any given year. Was Hitler the best? No, even very good? No, but art has a really steep ability curve, and he's already better than 99.9% of the population.
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>>5329406
Is that supposed to prove me wrong?
>>5329409
>Dix was only PRETENDING to be retarded so that makes him good.
If you're going to bitch about skewed perspective and bad anatomy by one artist while holding up works with skewed perspectives and bad anatomy as good when done by another, then you are a hypocrite. The fact that it's "his style" and he's being retarded on purpose is not a valid justification.
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>>5329425
Except that when he wanted to, Dix could paint like this.
The guy you're arguing with is doing an absolutely retarded job making a case for my favourite artist though.
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>>5329258
Considering Hitler was rejected in 1908, and he took power (in a different country) in 1933, most of the professors that assessed him probably died in the interim 25 years, before he had any power to fire them or ban their works.
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>>5329391
imagine being such a brainlet you can't comprehend the works of otto dix. chaotic, dark and violent imagery shaped by his experiences in the first world war and the weimer republic. this is basic tonal stylization, if you want him actually painting accurate portraits try this one.
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>>5329425
are you retarded or just a stormfag? answer honestly
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>>5329431
I'm not seeing anything more impressive than what I'd expect from a hack artist painting illustrations for WH40K codexs.
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>>5329439
Wow, so impressive totally not the same caliber of portraiture I see hanging up for sale in my local coffee shop.
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>>5329479
Imagine seeing that many layers of visual metaphor, use of colour to represent emotion, and the symbolism of the stormtrooper dehumanized by his mask to represent the hell of the trenches and thinking "It's Warhammer 40k tier."
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>>5329488
so, the same caliber as papi adolf?
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>>5329425
Is it that hard to understand that most artists that paint things you dont like were much better at realistic painting than Hitler and were 2x younger than him?
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>>5329466
>Only a retard or a Neo-Nazi wouldn't join into or two minutes hate of Emmanuel Goldstein!
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>>5328243
ouch mien feeler
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>>5329489
>Draw a pile of guts and a skeleton hanging from a girder
>It's visual metaphor!
LOL
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>>5329511
Either trolling or retarded.
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this confuses and enrages the Hitlerite
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Hitler was not a great artist. Unless you're comparing him to the literal garbage that went to and graduated from the same art school, in which case he was an exceptionally gifted artist.
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>>5329493
More or less.
No one thinks Hitler was a GREAT artist, people just say he wasn't a bad one and certainly good enough to make it into art school.
>NO! The purpose of art school is to admit only autodidact old masters, so that we professors can sit around and do nothing all day but collect a paycheck and bang slutty art models.
I'm sure that professors wish things worked that way, but I'm fairly certain they don't.
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>>5329511
You are the same person that would consider pic related to be peak of art
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>>5329533
>certainly good enough to make it into art school.
wrong
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>>5329533
But not the art academy in Vienna, which he was applying for, which was IIRC pretty much the most prestigious art school in the world at the time.
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>>5329494
Pablo Picasso went to the Vienna Academy?
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>>5329529
light, shadow and perspective are jewish conspiracy
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>>5329561
Where did i wrote it?
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>>5329543
and you are the same person that would consider Socialist Realism to be a more valid and laudable artistic movement, while deriding its Nazi equivalent as "kitsch".
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>>5329570
Well you're holding up Pablo Picasso as the standard of artist that would have attended the academy so I assumed, otherwise why bring him up?
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>>5329578
this is the horror of war
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>>5329578
obsessed
>>5329591
My point is that he was drawing like that when he was 16, Hitler had no idea of how do shadows work like in real life when he was 22
see >>5328204
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>>5329595
WWI was for pussies, those fags wouldn't have lasted a minute in the underhives
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>>5329598
Awful standard of comparison. Picasso is one of the greatest artists to ever live. That's like comparing Einstein and your average Physics undergrad.
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>paints building that eventually got destroyed by American firebombing
Get fucked
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>>5329598
>My point is that he was drawing like that when he was 16,
Which is irrelevant to the discussion unless you're claiming that every other student admitted to the academy which rejected Hitler was an equivalent artistic savant.
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>>5328197
>rejection of realist style caused WWII to happen
seriously though he isn't that great, his works are okay at best (lots of perspective problems)
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>>5329609
I love the many layers of visual metaphor in this image!
Can I save it?
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>>5329644
no, its copyrighted Games Workshop™ material, however, please feel free to browse our Warhammer 40k online catalog!
https://warhammer40000.com/
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>>5329617
>>5329629
As I already said, Hitler's paintings were ok at most, there are shitton of people that have much better paintings skills than Hitler, being able to draw a person is one of the basics. Pic related, only because my Polish friend can do this doesnt mean that she should apply for the best art university in the world.
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>>5329664
I agree with you but people act like the guy couldn't paint, but I'd say he was easily in the top maybe 5%. There's no way he should have applied to Vienna but he certainly could've learned to be an architect or something if he'd have actually graduated Highschool.
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>>5329680
euuuie meeeeeeuiiia maewuuei KRRAUTINIGGER ADOLF HAD ONE BALL, HE WAS A HOMOSEXUALL FAGGGOTO AND HE HAD GOLDEN SHOWER FETISH

HE WASNT GOOD AT ANYTHING HE WAS A HORRIBLE SPEAKER
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>>5329644
Save it, it's all yours my friend
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>>5329664
>Pic related, only because my Polish friend can do this doesnt mean that she should apply for the best art university in the world.
Why not?
If that's her dream she should chase it.
It's not like academy dismissed Hitler out of hand, he actually made it to the second round of evaluation and was recommended to apply for the academy's School of Architecture, Hitler just didn't have the requisite secondary schooling.
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>doesn't get accepted into art school
>damjews.avi
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>>5329705
Lmao not happening anymore. Standards are even higher today and his friend would probably get BTFO. You need absurdly broad portfolios nowadays.
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>>5329705
>Why not?
>If that's her dream she should chase it.
Its not, she wants to be a doctor.
Problem with being a painter is that you are either 0,0001% because you do somethign peopel like and get shitload of money, or rest and you get barely minimal wage for painting portraits and caricatures on streets
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>>5329664
saved
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Holy shit all those faggots on here saying Hitler was a good painter. His colour pallette was ok but he lacked a deeper understanding of it, he didn't understand the very basics of perspective and his themes were mediocre. He could fool the basic peasant (like a lot of posters here) into buying his shit as postcards and if he would have actually studied arts for himself a little he could have become better. There is no reason to let him into art uni whatsoever if you have any idea of what art uni seeks. Nor should he have had any interest in joining one with his ideas of art.
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>>5328197
He was an okay painter. There's a reason the Vienna art academy told him to go to an architectural school instead.
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They look ok, but I've seen better.
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Could Hitler have dropped everything after the Anschlusszeit and enrolled in the Viennese Academy of Fine Art?
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>>5329726
Be real, Hitler could easily get into a low/mid tier art school pretty much anywhere in the world.
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>>5329753
How hilarious would it have been if Hitler was admitted to the academy and graduated, but still went into politics just as Hitler with more skill points put into his "fine arts" stat?
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>>5329726
>very basics of perspective
like it mattered to modern artists
>His colour pallette was ok
oh compared to soft pastels like all arts majors these days?
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Fucking everybody getting booty bothered in this thread
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>>5329782
It matters when you’re painting orthodox pictures of landscapes and buildings.
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>>5329784
Hitler's just that kind of guy.
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>>5328197
yeah.

the only reason you can't say he was a decent painter is 70 years of demonization in the civic religions of the empires that won WW2
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>>5328197
If he was, then why didn't he paint this?
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>>5329811
Or this?
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>>5329764
Then he should have applied to those
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Not like it would matter, hitler didn't like contemporary art, his arts fine fuck the haters, by the time hitler enrolled in school that kinda art was fucking OUT of style already, way out of style.


Otto dix, George grosz, Max beckmann, Der Brucke, etc etc dominated the contemporary scene of their time. Trying to paint what hitler was painting was being on the WRONG side of history.

It had no relevance to weimar era germany and a post war germany at that, that style was dying rapidly.

Also people go to school to refine their art and learn, how many people were great artists before taking a few years of school out?

It's not like it mattered anyway, pic related was the best german painter and he didn't even need technical skills, he was an architect graduate and said fuk it i'm gonna do art.
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>>5329824
He was in Vienna though.
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>>5328197
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>>5328215

He fucked up the perspectives all the time. And none of his work is really original. You can buy pieces like that for a penny on the streets. Apparently he never did any portraits either. So he fails both the standards of his time and the standards of today.
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>>5328197
stfu nigger his proportions and angles and shit are all wrong you pleb
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>>5329081
>Picasso's most famous works are unicersally [sic] ugly.
That’s like, your opinion, man. All I know is that Picasso is one of the most respected artists in the world
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>>5328197
>White supremacists criticize affirmative action for admitting supposedly unqualified minorities into universities
>Will defend Hitler by saying he should have been admitted to the Academy of the Fine Arts Vienna even though he was clearly unqualified

What did they mean by this?
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Hitler's art and Nazi art in general looks cool and ''good'' on paper but it has no soul. Any dipshit with a pencil could make what Hitler made, his paintings were perhaps nice looking but he had no sense of perspective, and they lack soul or that thing that makes it special(fot his time at least)
Also, he failed to recognize current trends which were all about shitting on the old order and making something new/different for the sake of being different and boring pictures of scenery and building were simply unpopular
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>>5328943
Billy Bat
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>>5329543
I honestly can't tell if this is Anti or Pro Nazi Propaganda, why the fuck do the soldiers faces look so ugly and muttish? Shouldn't they be depicted as brave and handsome?
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>>5328444
This is the guy that took Hitler's spot for art schooling, what's he saying with this one?
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>>5330931
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He unironically was not.
That's "I've been painting for a year" skill.
He was awful at painting people.
He didn't understand perspective.
He was a hack at best,
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>>5328257
Who do you think made the postcards? Post people? Or people who went to art school?
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>tfe Hitler got his sketch book stolen during WWI
I wonder what happened to it.
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>>5329816

This stuff is literally Where's Waldo.

Too fucking cluttered.
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>>5329402
>implying the classics didn't say anything
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>>5331059
People who couldn't make money from doing canvas
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>>5330931
A lot more than what Hitler was saying. Do you also trash classical music because you don’t know what an ostinato or a scherzo are? Just like with music and food, you generally need an experienced palate to enjoy more refined, subtle art. Art isn’t good just because some random pleb in the street can figure out all there is to know about it after looking at it for five seconds.
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>>5328197
>>5328209
These two are somewhat good, but rest are soulless unemotional photo pictures whose perspectives had been all fucked up.
It would've made more sense if Hitler was a modernist painter, but it's clear how he wasn't aiming to be one.
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>>5329423
>but art has a really steep ability curve
And you can tell he´s already at that point when you can tell an artist with potential. He´s not one.

>he's already better than 99.9% of the population
95% at best
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>>5328410
I've done work on buildings like that. They are usually cheap apartments meant for Mexicans
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>>5331302
>>Just like with music and food, you generally need an experienced palate to enjoy more refined, subtle art.
You're full of shit and the modern art community has it's head up it's own ass.
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>>5330931
If you think this is bad you're an NPC
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>>5331302
I bet you're one of those people who see a woman squirting paint out of her cunt and thinks it's art.
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>NO NO NO NO
>THIS IS NOT ART
>IF IT'S NOT REALISTIC IT'S NOT ART
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>>5331690
There is a difference between non realistic paintings and painting a canvas white and calling it art.
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>>5331685
Most recent modern art is shit, but I stand by what I said. Most people need to have eaten a wide variety of foods to enjoy an heirloom tomato and buffalo mozzarella tartine, or have to listen to a wide variety of music before they can appreciate a Rachmaninov piece. Even though the Renaissance masters painted art that was quite literal, they also used symbolism and techniques involving light and texture and brushstrokes to give their works meaning and feeling. Hitler’s “art” has none of this, it’s in no way more interesting than taking a photo of the buildings he’s painting. There’s no deeper meaning, which is a testament to his autistic soul, and, indeed, the autistic soul of the German people.
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>>5331701
I bet you think Duchamp's "Fountain" isn't art
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>>5328197
Why is Hitler's architecture so shit if he liked to paint Vienna so much?
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>>5328231

Because he sucked, there were artists like him painting like that on every corner in Vienna, he lacks structure, proportion and solidity, all his paintings look unfinished, good enough to get into a high-school for art, but not an academy


T. Art student
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>>5328197
Hitler had more talent than any poster here. Yes he was a good painter and an artist with talent.

He was not a master artist though and had problems with his basics, but he's still better than everyone in this thread.
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>>5332092
Post your artwork faggot.
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>>5332106
>He's better than a bunch of memers on a Balinese Weaving Forum
What a ringing endorsement
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>>5329104
Why did he sign that monstrosity?
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>>5328197
Egon Schiele > Hitler
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>>5332081
Blame Albert Speer
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>>5328231
Because they're bland, uninspired landscapes, and he couldn't paint portraits for shit.

They're nice enough watercolours, but they have no real place being anywhere but on postcards or in a friend's wall.
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>>5332113
I call it "el duende".
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>>5328242

you can draw those lines on any painting and they won't line up.
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>>5333182
Only on shit paintings.

Perspective, nigger, it's important.
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>>5333196
Why on earth should any art school teach a boring painter?
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>>5333205
This. His style was dime a dozen.
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He was good enough for an amateur, but he was seriously deluded if he thought he could cut it with the big boys.
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>>5333205
Because if someone's goal as an artist is to make emotionally expressive pieces that de-emphasize realism and technical skill, they don't need a formal education to do that. Everything those people need to make their art is already within them; it's not something that needs to be taught or can be learned.

For centuries prior to the late 19th century, the whole point of art school was to teach people how to be boring painters.
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Can you imagine being a grown adult and having such horribly developed either taste or social skills as to actually spend your time defending Hitler on 4chan for his paintings

Literally the most autistic thing I've ever witnessed, this thread
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>>5333257
Okay, but he isn't even a very good boring painter.
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>>5333257
Here's the thing though: photography largely started to replace those boring painters. That's largely why people started turning towards alternative styles.
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>>5330931
>what's he saying with this one?
if I had to guess, I'd say he's commenting on the decline of life quality in coastal fishing communities as the industry becomes increasingly industrialized and centralized. The chaotic style and bright, inviting colors seems to belie a sense of something that seems nice from afar but is unsustainable or even dangerous from a closer look. I'd further reinforce this sentiment with the main subject of the painting, a form that appears to be a crab and a man struggling against the weight of his burdens, simultaneously
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>>5333257

Turn out another five hundred post-card writers or actually push art in new and interesting directions

Hmm I wonder what would be a more significant contribution to the Western creative canon
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>>5333257
Sure, and if Hitler had wanted to get into art a hundred years earlier, he'd have done just fine.

It turns out that working in an unpopular style makes your work unpopular. Shocking, right?
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These are trash. How fucking blind or devoid of any aesthetic sense you have to be not to see that?
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>>5328242
Fucking Hortler, he really needs more practice
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>hurr maybe if he was accepted into one of the most prestigious art schools he would become better at the absolute basics of art. Isn't that the point of school??
Retards that say this need to gas themselves. Art school isn't your high school art class, it's were you go when you know your shit and want to know even more. You don't apply to MIT to learn arithmetic.
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>>5328197
>ITT:/ic/ pays a visit to /his/
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>>5328197
Mumkey Jones covered that part of his life better than any other historical channel on YouTube.
https://youtu.be/TJRKRnK44aw
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>>5335167
>foremost authority on Elliot Rodger
>foremost authority on Hitler's art career
how do we stop this madman?
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>>5328197
It's nice it's easy to digest but art that makes waves is controversial. Art is not about talent it's about story telling quite literally and shock value and this does not cut it.
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Hitler was right to ban Jewish art. You people are fucking morons get over yourselves. Modern art sucks ass
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>>5335714
Otto Dix was an ethnic German whose paintings criticized all of the things Hitler was butthurt about. but his art still got banned because it didn't glorify war
kys
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I thought Hitler's problem was that he could only paint realistic landscapes far past the point where anyone had interest in such a thing? The director of the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts explained his drawings showed "unfitness for painting" and suggested Hitler was better suited to studying architecture. He just couldn't do that because Hitler had never graduated his country's equivalent of high school.
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>>5335731
AYY LAMOOOOOOOO
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>>5332092
>>5332113
this

>>5333166
moar
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>>5331628
Most artists, art school graduates, are people without potential. What we'd call people with potential make up the idk 99.999%th percentile or something absurd, because art is just that steep.

You're just being retarded because Hitler was a nasty cunt. But I'd say the guy could probably have graduated from a mid-level art school, he ALMOST got into a good one, after all.
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>>5331716
>I'm an intellectual because I appreciate Irony
When will this meme go away? It's not hard to realize that people think skill should be venerated.
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>>5330931
This is an awful case because here's the thing: Those are NOT the pieces he submitted for the exams, he had to do the same things Hitler did for those exams, only better. You're presuming he doesn't have skill and talent because he's not demonstrating at least the former in this piece, but he does.
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>>5333205
WHY ARE ALL OF THE COUNTER-ARGUMENTS HORRIBLE.
The reason they passed those guys is because they had all the skills that Hitler did and passed the exams, they COULD do still-life, they COULD do realistic shit, they just chose not to in their professional careers.

Vienna did not take them in because they were interesting, they took them in because they were skilled and they PROCEEDED to be interesting.
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>>5333293
That's a horrible argument as well! That's not the reason we look at realistic art! We like to venerate the actual skill involved in imitating reality, in drawing real things. That's where people's appreciation of complexity comes from!
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>>5328197
There is no such thing as objective art. So there's nothing wrong with saying Hitler was a good or bad painter.
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>>5328197
>couldn't draw hands or faces well
>wonky perspective
>generally bad at conveying motion
>colors and shading clash awkwardly
>mood is completely stiff and emotionless
I wouldn't call him shit compared to the average person, but for an artist he is absolutely nothing special.

>>5333196
The second artist (Schiele) is extremely talented. He studied under Klimt and his anatomy is infinitely better than Hitler's. Warping the human form is not an easy thing to do in a coherent way, and he did it in multiple styles across his life while capturing a great depth of passion and disgust. He's also considered a figurative painter, not an abstract one who draws things completely divorced from reality, and the fact that his expressionist paitnings are stylized doesn't change that, but he also did realism in his later life.
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>>5335910
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>>5335953
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>>5335996
This is just his line art btw. He uses other mediums and styles but I feel like the Hitlerfags ITT wouldn't really appreciate them.
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>>5329704
Thanks anon!
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>>5333196
Schiele knows his shit. Anybody who knows anything about painting the figure could see that. He can draw realistic figures, he only chooses to warp their proportions.
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>>5329425
>>Dix was only PRETENDING to be retarded so that makes him good.
Just admit you lost that argument and stop speaking in memes, anon
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>>5328209
I really like this one
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>>5328197
>Hoo boy, it's this fucking thread again
Adolf was a "good" painter in the sense that the average self-taught fetish artist on deviantart is a "good" artist. His technique and brushstrokes are those of either a lazy professional or an advanced hobbyist. He produced his works with shoddy technical 'expertise' and once you have a thorough understanding of perspective, color theory, and appreciation of the medium, you can see the glaring faults with what he tried to present to the kind of school he tried to apply to. Even funnier is the revelation of what would later go on to be revealed as an obsessed boner for emulation of classic styles over modern art, and he had no finesse or nuance in trying to recreate because he didn't have the academic knowledge to back it up. Adolf was not "good" artist, he was a tradboi hobbyist who couldn't comprehend why he sucked in an era when his style of art wasn't popular, and even if it had been he would have been mogged by every artist 10 times better than him and not gotten in anyway.
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>>5333196
can someone tell me about the 3rd guy?
whats up with all the table legs?
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>>5336805
he was a very shitty carpenter
his tables needed lots of support, so much so that he had forgone the tabletop itself
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>>5336825
oh ok
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>>5332927
Why do talentless deviantart autists sign theirs? Same shit, inflated ego.
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>>5329578
I can't think of a single person that likes Socialist Realism unironically.
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>>5328995
>muh squares
Picasso sucked ass.
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>>5336940
What a brilliant criticism. I know I'm convinced.
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Anyone have that "rejected, accepted" pic?
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>>5336959

>>5333196
Yes here it is. Nevermind
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>>5336945
My favourite piece by Picasso (Not that anon). It's almost pre-futurist, all angular, three dimensional, almost technological look.
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>>5328444

Taken together, he's pretty clearly trying to capture the architectural/geographical feel of his country. It's not 'saying' anything other than there's comfy places around his home. It's not original, but the pieces are mostly well done. The lighting is shit though.
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>>5329578
In Soviet realism defence it doent need almost a book of text to explain what it is and what means. You can just use your eyes.
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>>5337016
That's why everybody says his paintings are postcard-tier, they are literally postcard paintings that serve no other purpose than to say "this place is nice".
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>>5337062
what does this one say?
>>5336968
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hmm lokks like he was quite talented. not monet or caillebotte level, but they had the whole water and radiosity thing working so, if hitler learned just a couple more render techniques he could have been very damn good, otherwise the cell shading aspect of dark edges can plus all arch landscapes make plebs think its postcard shit, he was actually surprisingly pretty damn good
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>>5328661
>Anon starts thread saying Hitler made good art
>People disagree
>how dare u
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>>5332976
Aside from the lips that is unironically pretty fucking good artwork.
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Art should be judged on its beauty not its creativeness.
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>>5329855
>All I know is that Picasso is one of the most respected artists in the world
Well dats cause da jooos contwol da world.
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Cameras killed realistic art.
Try and prove me wrong.
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>>5337224
No! it was da jooos ccuck!
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>>5337224
Partly. It killed off portrait paintings, but romantic poetry is all about skill and endeavour. I think partly what killed it is
1. It's not dead to begin with, just under-publicized
2. Less funding for the arts, a lot of the most famous artists in the past were patronized by major parties and lavishly rewarded
3. Artistic cultural revolutions sweeping along the most talented artists of the day, one decade everyone wants to be Picasso, another Matisse, etc etc etc.
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>>5337213
Beauty is subjective.
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I think all of you who criticize his paintings don't recognize his most artistic achievement of all, showing those goddamn Jewish rats that they can't just fuck up any country they want.

Look at these scared little communist disruptors.
>b-but we took over the banks...
Fucking beautiful.
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>>5333196
As it should have been, hitler wasn't good enough.

"If you can't construct a portrait or a nude you can't deconstruct it"

Thats a quote from my very successful art teacher.

The 3 below are properly deconstructed, you can tell that they know their shit, and that if they wanted to they could construct a study of a portrait or a nude. In art academies you already KNOW how to construct and paint """""realistic""""" portraits and nudes. You don't go there because you want to learn how to draw or paint. Schiele was a genius, the second guy is a sculptor why is he even compared to painters?

>>5333389

He wouldn't have been fine, he would have had to compete with Frederic Leighton and a whole ton of other academic painters who make Hitler look like a schoolboy, stop with this insanity that Hitler was any good at all. Hitler couldn't compete with his contemporaries either, pic related is John William Godward, he killd himself in the 20's because the world wasn't big enough for him and Picasso.

>>5335910

What this guy said

>>5337224

No such thing as realistic art.
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It's funny because even if the reason he wasn't admitted was because they weren't edgy enough, had he lived in an earlier era when this was the kind of stuff they were looking for, he probably would have also been denied because the standards would have been higher.
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>>5328243
>Make sure I'm accepted to the art academy.
Studied you should have.
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>>5329479
>I'm not seeing anything more impressive
Compare this >>5329431 with this >>5328204
and tell me who the great artist is.
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>>5330931
literally better than all of the Hitler paintings ITT
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>>5330931
100 times more interesting to look at than boring Hitler's building wankery
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>>5329479
>stormnigger has the artistic mind of the very same ”niggers” that he claims to be better than
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>>5329721
Or you paint furry porn and make big bucks.
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>>5328326
>guy can paint better than 99% of the population
like other anons have said there were better artists on every corner of Vienna at the time, Hitler was the definition of mediocrity and mediocre doesn't get accepted into the best art academy in Austria.
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>>5328542
Sie sind*
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they were unironically highschooler who spends their weekend painting tier
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>>5337104
Bullshit, and no amount of technical terms you throw in will convince anyone otherwise.

This is decent, but still very amateurish. Mediocre at best.
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>>5335764
>What we'd call people with potential make up the idk 99.999%th percentile or something absurd, because art is just that steep.
Nah, I've seen better shit from art schools for children and youth. Amateur painters of this caliber are not as uncommon as you are trying to suggest.

>he ALMOST got into a good one, after all
Everyone can apply for an art school.
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>>5338265
>Nah, I've seen better shit from art schools for children and youth. Amateur painters of this caliber are not as uncommon as you are trying to suggest.
Besides the fact that the part that you're replying to has little to do with the reply itself, I did art in school and other than a few things, I sucked, but the top guy in my class who was, no mistake, actually very talented was about on par with Hitler. I went to school in the UK so this was during the GCSE phase, so admittedly this was when he was 16 and he would presumably have gotten better at A-level, but we also have to consider that Hitler was largely self-taught as well so we can afford to account for that a little bit. As people have also mentioned, he also passed at least one phase of selection at the Vienna Art school, so clearly they didn't think he was awful otherwise he would have been turned down at the door.

>Everyone can apply for an art school.
Most people get turned away because they have a weak portfolio, not only did he pass that, he went on to pass a phase of selection. Evidently he wasn't good enough to get in, but I think he was on par with your average A-level student who gets an A in the subject.
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>>5329855
maybe for "artist" , you do not heard this from average people
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>>5338340
>Besides the fact that the part that you're replying to has little to do with the reply itself
You are trying to paint it as he was somewhat exceptional (1 in thousand), I'm saying that this is wrong.

>Hitler was largely self-taught
You are forgetting that art education in his time was much more rigorous even if you didn't studied art specifically. See picrelated, this is from W. Churchill who never made a serious attempt to be an artist and yet he's superiour to Hitler (though both are painting landscapes and buildings, which is the easiest part of art).
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>>5338464
>You are trying to paint it as he was somewhat exceptional (1 in thousand), I'm saying that this is wrong.
Never said that. I said that he was between 1/20-1/100. 95%-99%.

>You are forgetting that art education in his time was much more rigorous even if you didn't studied art specifically. See picrelated, this is from W. Churchill who never made a serious attempt to be an artist and yet he's superiour to Hitler
Except Hitler went to a crappy Realschule focused on technical education rather than academics and art and Churchill literally had the best education money could buy (And he was a genius, see Nobel Prize, though that was in literature)
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>>5328373
The name of the painting is pretty neato. It can both mean: The Startled or The Injured.
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>>5338471
>Never said that.
>>5329423
>99.9% of the population.
Wasn't (you)? I'll be OK with the revised interval.

>Except Hitler went to a crappy Realschule
So did my grandfather and he made art on par with Adolf. Art education just used to be much tougher.

>Churchill literally had the best education money could buy
Which would be focusing on practical stuff, not art.
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>>5338531
>So did my grandfather and he made art on par with Adolf. Art education just used to be much tougher.
Yeah, and your grandfather probably had the skill to get into a mid-level art school. Also he's probably the exception.

>Which would be focusing on practical stuff, not art.
Nah, you don't understand English Public (Private to the rest of the world, as in fee-paying), they focus (Or at least focused) on the classics, humaities and the arts.
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Painting is gay anyway, the mere fact he ever wanted to become a painter just shows that Hitler was a faggot, so I don't know why his cult followers emphasize this shit.
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>>5338547
>Also he's probably the exception.
He was, but not enough to pursue career in art or even leave us something else than what he did in school.

>Nah, you don't understand English Public
No, I don't, thanks for information. But I have knowledge of public schools in post-Habsburgian space and I can't tell it was crappy.
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>>5328197
If you showed people a masterpiece and told them it was by Hitler people would say it's bad just to signal that they have the approved social views.

On the other hand if you show a child tier straw man on a canvas and told them a black or trans person did they would say he's the next Picasso.

You know this, everyone knows this. So why even ask?
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>>5338591
>He was, but not enough to pursue career in art or even leave us something else than what he did in school.
I don't know about that. Maybe he just didn't have the motivation. Success is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration anon.
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>>5328197
The corrupted marxists were in charge of the institutions back then just like today, corrupted kikes and npcs will never understand the feeling of pride for your family & nation, whores which takes a shit on cloth and mentally incapable individuals who draw three different lines on a canvas are guaranteed to enter, while actual artists are not.
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>>5328242
Hmm... almost as of he had a lot of raw talent but could have benefited from more rigorous studies.
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>>5338598
Look, the stormnigger has art criticism figured out.
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>>5339728
>he had a lot of raw talent
Where?
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What would be the point of being accepted into an academy if you are really good?
I dont get that
He was denied cause he didnt draw well
Well aint that the point of an academy?
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>>5337092
Not that anon, I don’t know the context under which this was painted so I can’t say what Picasso meant, but in today’s context you can very easily derive a commentary on humanity’s increasing absorption in technology to the point where its becoming our whole lives, its consuming us. The tone of the painting can show a disappointment or sadness in this development, saying we should move away from it.
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If he had drown a large black penis entering a german pussy you bet your ass he would've accepted him
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>>5329431
>Dix
>>5329479
lol it really looks like warhamer 40k codex
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>>5340251
Yeah, they wouldn't let me into University because I failed my A-levels, but the point of uni is learning right?
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holy shit I thought the people filling this board with nazi shit were just memeing but this place is actually full with incels who worship hitler
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>>5338598
No, you just don't understand painting and can't distinguish good from bad in the slightest
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>>5333196
this is what happens when you let jews run your institutions /his/. Now sit down and learn from uncle /pol/.
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>>5336198
hmmm. Looks like average modern art garbage to me.
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>>5331628
No way in hell one person in twenty is better than him.
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Eh, his painting was all right. He really should have teamed up with Speer and made Germany's best architecture firm.
Speer drawing the plans and Hitler doing the concept art, couldve been glorious
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>>5338464
>See picrelated, this is from W. Churchill who never made a serious attempt to be an artist and yet he's superiour to Hitler

Now you're replying in bad faith.
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>>5333196
I totally get Hitler's obsession with stamping out degenerate art.
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>>5341093
I think he overdid it. He should have followed in the steps of Mussolini and try to repurpose modern art for good.
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>>5341140
Hitler should have done a lot of things, but weapons grade German autism is the country's greatest strength and weakness
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>>5339037
based
redpilled
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>all these plebs trashing on Schiele and muh modern art
You guys need to take an art class. You'll realize that the shit they do isn't easy at all. I'm not as good as Hitler but even I can tell his stuff is average stuff. In the beginnner art class I took, there were people who were already getting close to hitler's level. The thing that stands out the most is that he seems uncreative. You can't really teach creativity, some people just have it.
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>>5333249
"...big fags. "
FTFY
...
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Hitler did nothing wrong. True Fact
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>>5340920
If you don't believe me, ask /ic/ they're the most anal people about anatomy.





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