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IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the Drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new (and cleaner) sticky in town! You can see it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

PREVIOUS THREAD: >>3257401
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ESSENTIALS:

>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.
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>tfw deciding what kind of artistic statement to make
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i have no idea what i'm doing
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>>3261017
pretty cool that your mom lets you have a gun
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>>3261001
this honestly reminds me of this
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Having some fun and just drawing portraits however I wish to go about them
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>>3261055
I like it! you have a good sense for deviding space into shapes.
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>>3261055
way to go anon!, you have potential, it feels very 3 dimensional
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>>3261055
noobie here--what is it that youre doing? It looks like youre dividing the face into planes, but looking at the beard line and the lack of shape under the lower lip it looks like the face is being divided based on contrast instead of 3d shape
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For anyone does digital art on a Wacom intuos tablet, or other tablets with buttons. What do you use your buttons for? I've had my tablet for 3 months and only use it for creating a new layer.
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>>3261204
Zoom, rotate, flip, undo. Still haven't figured out what to do with the rest of them.
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>>3261055
You can improve the planes of the eyes, I think you are still showing some symbol drawing.
You are working anon. Keep going.
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>>3261226
You have no idea what symbol drawing is. Shut the fuck up retard.
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>>3261037
help
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>>3261204
undo, redo, zoom, unzoom, switch between brushes (usually the eraser and the pencil), theres one other buttons that does nothing
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>>3261244
lips too big, eyes too wide and wrong shape, looking in different directions, wrong shaped cranium
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>>3261228
He doesn’t but nonetheless it’s useful advice as the post he is responding to lacks shapes that hint at volume.
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>>3261261
I have a feeling you didnt even look at the original picture
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>>3261278
i didnt even look at your drawing
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>>3261283
you and my drawing have something in common, your both mentally challenged
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Trying to do some studies on animal limb anatomy. Currently doing a very shitty job of it. Copying the smaller bones between the larger sections is rough stuff, especially when you're still extremely beg tier.
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>>3261353
That's usually why you don't study anatomy when you're extremely beg tier, but do what you do because that's better. Good work so far.
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I can't even draw the loomis cartoons from fun with a pencil correctly. What the fuck? Why is drawing so hard? Just drawing proper lines is retardedly hard.
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>>3261355
Better to start sooner rather than later, I guess? Still learning the basics, loomis etc, anyway.
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any tutorials for corel painter,
how to use the diferent mediums?
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So I posted this before over at a /vp/ draw thread and i was informed that the face was a little too manly. I was wondering exactly what areas are making that seem like so over here. It's a recurring problem I've been aware of for awhile now, this isn't the first case. Any other criticisms in other areas are fine. I was too lazy to finish the arms and legs.

People said it may be the jaw but i think it may have been the excessive shadowing on the ridges of her eyes in this case.
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Crit appreciated of course.
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>>3261559
i am offended by a lot of things in this pic
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Working on stippling.
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>>3261472
I would recommend making the face softer. The cheeks are hard lines, and with the large jaw it makes it very masculine.
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>>3261559
her eyes doesn't seem to line up, and im not sure what the expression tries to convey

otherwise nice
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>>3261606
Do you knoe if those pens are refillable?
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beginning to lose hope. This book is so hard for me. I'm 35 pages in and every exercise is so hard for me to get my head around.

I never was very bright but I'm having so much trouble with this. The funny part is I've already read another book on perspective so this should be easy for me but it's just not.
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Aaaaaaaaaaa
/ic/, how do I defeat my lazy side?
Is taking over me
Aaaaaaaaaaaaa
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>>3261642
When you're in your room, just cler your mind for a second and tell yourself 'If I don't do it now, I never will"

Started working for me, since I have ADHD and it's really fucking hard for me to commit my mind to a hobby like this for more than two seconds.
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>>3261644
I'm sorry anon...
I've been overtaken
Is too late for me
I'll play go warframe and maybe doodle a lil but no studies
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>>3261648
stop making excuses
stop playing video games
pick up a pencil
apply yourself
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>>3261652
no
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>>3261629
Maybe try watching some of Erik Olson's perspective videos. I personally like the book more, but maybe your the type to learn better from a video.

the door compared to the tv and couch just looks so weird. Maybe if I redraw the tv to be a more classic height it'll help. I forgot how small box tvs are and made it somewhere around 2 and a half feet tall orz

also the characters are so fucked I haven't drawn figures in a while ahhh
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>>3261627
I've never heard of anyone doing that, no. I go through them like water, though.
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>>3261653
you have 0.0054 seconds to post a page of ellipses
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>>3261559
the lips and eyebrows are mansplaining
seriously tho, make them a lil thinner
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How do you study tones/shading?
I more or less understand the theory behind it, but I can't do it neither traditionally or digitally, and I don't understand how to do it.
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>>3261001
Tried to paint over those T H I C C lines.
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>>3261688
First learn how to shadow a box, then a cylinder, then a sphere. After that, go study other stuff.
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>>3261204
Rotate, brush size, brush opacity, CTRL/ALT/FNC, shift, x (switch foreground color and background color), D (set foreground to black, background to white), Select none, Redo, undo, and I use Wacom's radial menus for everything else, AND I have a small USB bluetooth keyboard next to my Cintiq. I need more express buttons, and I use both sides. (24HD).
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>>3261228
Then tell him what it is and isn't, instead of shitposting, edgelord.
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>>3261659
Ah ok, ive just started using them
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>>3261914
Edge control dude.
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>>3261927
Or, work bigger, or use smaller brushes. Edges are hard lines, and are hard to maintain with large brushes. To get tight edges, you need to work with small brushes. The bigger the painting, the easier it is to control those edges. A common mistake here is to work too small.
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>>3261927
yeah, but I'll try to think about thatmore, Looks kinda good on the knee right?
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>>3261933
I don't know what program you're using, but clipping masks and paths can give you a predefined edge you can define once and won't ever have to worry about again, definitely worth learning
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>>3261204
I'm just starting with my tablet and using Photoshop. If you can easily reach the command with a keyboard then use that. I map actions/macros, big reaching shortcuts, or anything right of TGB on a qwerty keyboard to the tablet. I'm still experimenting but here's what I've got for buttons(12 button tablet, 6 rows of 2):

>top 6 buttons
new layer - flip canvas horizontal
pen - lasso
alt ] - alt [ (move up/down layer selected)
>bottom 6
new multiply layer - selection from path (action to turn work path into selection and delete work path)
not used - clear layer
not used - not used

I only have right click on my pen. A huge tip is you can hold down a shortcut for a tool, use it, then let go of the key and go back to your original tool. So I'm almost always in brush (b isn't that far away anyway) but to switch between eraser and brush I just have to hold E and let go when I'm done.

The main shortcuts I use are R (esc to reset angle), CTRL-E (merge down), CTRL-D (deselect), E, V then ctrl click to select layer, alt on brush tool for color picker, ctrl alt right click for adjusting brush size dragging left and right, alt shift right click for bringing up the color sqaure and hue ribbon on the cursor, tab for hiding ui.

>>3261917
If you're righthanded why not just use your keyboard for most of those?
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>>3261629
watch the videos that he gives the link to at the end of the book. the ones he demonstrates are good. perspective is really easy to understand. take your time.
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>>3261629
Kek, It's supposed to be hard. Do you think learning is supposed to be easy? Have you never struggled or worked to anything in your life? At least we'll soon see whether or not you drop out here.
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>>3261959
I use procreate, I found alot of video content about clippings masks, tnx dawg.
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>>3261616
>>3261578

You are way too butthurt over this. it's just a google photos reference

>>3261620
Thanks. I tried to add interest to her expression, guess it didn't wrk out

>>3261662
Next time
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I don't want to make thread for that so I'll just
ask here.

I'm going to get the creative cloud photoshop on year subscription for $20 a month. I do have the funds for up to 10 months. So what happen if I ran out of money? Will I be still charged, and get a negative balance?

Also please don't answer with "buy x program instead"
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>>3262054
get the $10 a month that gives you photoshop and lightroom with only 20gb of storage instead. you can prepay for a year or pay month to month
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>>3262054
I bought for one month and cancelled. You get photoshop to use legally until you uninstall it. you don't get access to the cloud but I only know one person who uses that and their company has a gigabit line so uploading and downloading 600mb large canvas are nothing to him d
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>>3262062
Nice! Thanks for the heads up. I got 2018 covered now.
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when people say do loomis do they mean fun with a pencil or some other of his works?
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>>3262079
everything

btw loomis is overrated, you have to find your own learning style. there are actually many differerent ways to draw


fundamentals are the same though
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>>3262081
I'm working through keys to drawing but the exercises can be draining. Just curious where someone would start with loomis as most people here talk about him a lot. Why do you say he is overrated? I thought he was just an easy way to learn construction.
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Alright, how do/did you guys narrow down what you like? I'm new and most people say to find something you like and get mileage with it. What the fuck do you do if you are into all sorts of shit? I feel like bouncing around between things is detrimental to getting my abortions out. Also, should I just put color on a shelf until I draw better than a grade schooler?
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>>3262097
Not him, but there's a lot of different "beginner" courses and you have to throw yourself at them until you hit something that sticks. I didn't care for Loomis either but some of the pages I've seen from his figure drawing and head/hands books aren't bad. Don't sweat over Fun with a Pencil, I really didn't like that book or the subject matter. Some of the beginner books are shitty because they're meant to just get someone drawing with stupid exercises that don't teach much other than that they can make marks on paper and not come out terribly. "How to Draw" is a book I'd recommend for reading about perspective and then see what works for you with Loomis, Vilppu, Hampton or some others. The basic things like confident lines, ellipses, volumes, and all with be similar in all of them.
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>>3261024
Something is wrong with these noses, especially on central figure and the top right figure
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>>3262079
Figure Drawing for All it's Worth. Creative Illustration is his only truly good book, but it's far from entry level. Like other anon said, it's just one method of construction out of many, but the tips cover most problems you encounter in figure drawing. When people say "do loomis", they mean that there is a fundamental problem with proportion and perspective that would be fixed by reading FDFWIW and making a proportional mannikin in perspective or carefully measuring the planes and features of the face.

Fuck his head method, though.
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This is hard.
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Can anyone recommend me a site where I can get references. Especially environments. scenery landscapes...etc.

I'm used to http://something-to-draw.com/ because it had neat random image thing, but the site seems to be down.
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>>3262156
the second set is a lot better. remember to consider the subject, like the weight, the muscles, the tension the movement, that sort of thing, don't just try to draw the same thing in the photo
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>>3261914
value study and look about color theory
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>>3262213
I'm doing value studies, but idk what color theory is, I'll google it, tnx senpai.
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Loose sketch to start getting familiar with my tablet and sketching in Photoshop. First time I've tried to sketch a portrait. I opened a canvas, approximately got the aspect ratio and then sketched by eye with the image on the side of the screen without really measuring. Brought the image into ps and then saw the eyes were too high and moved them down.

Fun little break from sterile exercises but opens my eyes to a lot more things to look into down the road. Gonna work on sketching some still lifes later and then trying to place line work on them.
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please help
i cant get anything done
im too stressed out about school, i cant get myself pick up a pencil and just DRAW
how do i break free from this
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>>3262287
buy some rope
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>>3262287
do some pushups, squats, crunches, aerobics for 30 min.
take a hot shower.
meditate.
relax, school is the easy part of life.
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>>3262054
Why would you pay for proprietary software?
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>>3262287
Literally take a paper and pencil and force yourself to draw the simplest shit you can't think of, even if the simplest shit is a line or a circle. Do it for 5 minutes.

After you get started everything else will come easy.
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u all suck
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>>3262322
ugly style
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>>3262322
well no shit this is the beginner thread
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Okay I'm going to post this here because literally nobody else has been able to give me a straight answer.

I'm... okay with drawing from life, provided I'm patient enough. But every time I have to mentally think of an image to put down on paper it's usually too vague to properly translate each line and make something coherent - so I start properly thinking on my mental image in more detail, and... that's where I start to feel physically ill. My head begins to hurt, I start to tear up and shake, pins and needles start running up from my arms to my fingertips and I can't get anywhere farther than that.

Am I literally fucking autistic, have something fucked in my brain that won't let me recall objects vividly or does this actually happen? None of the people I know who are into illustration have ever had this problem and none of my neurologist colleagues have any idea what the fuck I'm talking about, and suggested anxiety which I know for a fact isn't the case - if it were associated to drawing I'd understand it but the same thing happens to me if I'm trying to think of the details without necessarily being in front of a page. It's really annoying.

Sorry for the autism, /ic/
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>>3262480
yes, you are literally autistic. time for meds.
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>>3262220
Eh, color theory isn't as important at this stage as values. But don't think that value means only gray scale. Learning to see the value of colors is very important. You can paint with relatively shitty palette and still end up with great work when you have strong understanding of contrast and edges.

Can argue there's overlap I guess. But as a complete stranger on the internet, I say focus on values; nail the contrast and edges;
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>>3262480
Why are you forcing your brain to think of details though? it's incredibly dumb. Draw your sketch based on what you're capable of imaginaing then fix and add things using references.

Not to mention if you've read just a tiny bit about neuroscience and the process of learning you'd know the brain omits unimportant details all the time to gain access to information faster (basically, it wants to learn quickly, things you don't use or need aren't kept in your mind for long periods of time). You've been forcing your brain to do something it's not supposed to do.
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>>3262480
Nigga,no one plans an entire drawing in detail in their head before putting it on paper.
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>>3262519
Unless you're autistic of cause.
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>>3261001
I just got new Intuos tablet and I want to start drawing digitally, which program I should go with: Photoshop or Sai? I heard you can learn bad habits by using Sai.
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>>3262541
>I can't draw but I got a tablet anyway
CSP, the pencil tool is really nice.
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Can you guy rate my drawing?
It looks off to me but I can't tell why or what I'm doing wrong
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>>3262549
The lips and nose look a bit off, and she looks like she has a moustache
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rate me lads
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>>3262590
Too messy.
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Gesture drawings
I tried to make them like vilppu. Failed
I noticed my lines gets worse when I’m m learning something different.
I will do better next time.
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>>3262590
>those incomplete walls
More effort/10
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First time doing digital painting, advice?
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>>3262638
I like it, good colors, did you pick them yourself?
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>>3262642
Yes! This was was without any ref other than playing mario recently
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>>3262638
someone who knows more than me please explain the perspective on this
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>>3262647
perspective is definitely fucked, more just wanted to get into the actual painting instead of worrying about anything else.
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>>3262590
work in layers and make the opacity lower for the guide lines so your actual drawing stands out from the mess.
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>>3262617
More
I can seee little improvements but is there
Sensei says I need to go over the surface
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>>3262659
>>3262617
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I'm going through Loomis now trying to develop my own model for the female body out of simple shapes. I understand the pelvis pokes out at certain places, and that's what I'm trying to overcome atm.
Also, is it worth dropping a few hundred on a tablet with a screen on it? I have a small intuos but I feel like it would be a lot easier and more fun to draw if I had some direct visual feedback from my pen strokes. Though I may just be autistic and about to waste half a grand for nothing.
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>>3262664
i like that skindentation keep at it
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Whatever happened to /beg/ ref drawing? You could at least critique it.

>>3262664
It would be a waste.
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>>3262664
You should check Loomis's proportions section while you're at all it. A new tablet isn't worth it, you're just not good at drawing which has nothing to do with the tablet.
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>>3262664
You have visual feed back on your monitor
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>>3262664
>is it worth dropping a few hundred on a tablet with a screen on it

nah dude
only invest more on a tablet when you're so good that literally the only thing holding you back is the tablet
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The one piece of advice that I would give to any beginner, and then only piece of advice that I will give right now to any artist is this...

Don’t come here to have your art critiqued. Go somewhere else where you can verify that the person who is critiquing you knows their shit.

Come here to share your progress and ideas, but go somewhere else on the internet if you want someone to accurately tell you how to improve your work. Hell, I wish I could take back half of the art supplies that I bought and spend the money on a professional to critique my progress.
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>>3262696
What level are you now?
Are you still beg?
Just curious.
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>>3261261
kek
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>>3262696
What are some recommended places to go?
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>>3262671
>Whatever happened to /beg/ ref drawing?
I miss that too
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>>3262638
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>>3262728
Some other thread, I guess. Being top jew up on the chair was always nice.

>>3262741
G M I
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>>3262745
gmi?
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>>3262501
Yeah, I've been trying color out, also googled the color theory, seems maybe a bit to advanced :I
tnx for the advise anon.
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Some art about the laws of nature.
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>>3262590
Finish it
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>>3262760
>patreon
mate
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>>3262770
I know, I havent gotten patreons yet :P

I was thinking I could make up for skill with humor and creativity. Like this
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>>3262697
I’m in the same boat with the rest of you beginners, but the advice is from a family friend who spent a good amount of time figuring out that he started to pick up bad habits from online communities some years ago that took him a while to correct.

>>3262701
You may not want to hear this, but I feel like the most quality critiquing you can get for your buck is by finding a portfolio review event near you by artists who work in a field that you have an affinity towards.

You could also ask the admissions offices at good art schools about recommendations for portfolio reviews. Heck, some of them may even have free portfolio review days for potential students. No matter how selective an art school is, admissions for that school will help you find the best resources to maximize your chances at gaining entry into their schools. Just remember to not sign any paperwork that states you will be attending their school.
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>>3262760
>>3262771
this level of out of touch with reality is fucking embarassing
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>>3262771 (You)
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>>3262781
It's autism art, I can tell by the pixels and having seen a lot of autism art in my time.
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>>3261652
not that anon but how'd i do?
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>>3262794
ffs
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>>3262753
NGMI
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>>3262795
Try harder.
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>>3262777
I don’t know about other but when I do art... I use common sense to critic and to study. For example

I don’t like to practice fundamentals on digital because I don’t want any distraction, I like straight forward, paper and pencil.
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>>3262638
>>3262741

Practice values
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>>3262798
all right how about now?
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>>3262803
what are you even doing?
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>>3262808
all right, how's this?
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>>3262771
>I was thinking I could make up for skill with humor and creativity.
Maybe someone can. You can't.

Someday, with enough hard work and practice, you might be able to sell your art for money. That day is not today.
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>>3262820
The purpose is accuracy, dumbass!
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>>3262830
>tfw reading this in angry Peter Han's voice
My sides
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>>3262820
Did you even watch the video friend? You don't even have to pirate it it's free on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk
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>>3262838
i've never seen it, desu, i'm ashamed. but i'll watch it and see what i can learn from it.

i think i'm makin progress though
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>>3262808
>trueup
What did he mean by this?
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do i need to get swole to make it?
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>>3262664
tablet is not the problem, your line quality is actually decent enough, loomis is a good place to start but the next step would be making it 3d, the bean, the robo bean, mannequinization, if you dont already have at least a basic understanding of perspective you should learn that first
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>>3262877
It doesn't hurt. Most models are either old farts or disgusting junkies, so it's either get swole or draw dudes at the gym in exchange for brojobs if you want to learn your anatomy.
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>>3262887
This is what I was looking for. Thanks
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>>3263008
your date is wrong
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>>3262899
>looking for a specific answer
???
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I'm having trouble in find a confortable brush setting for my drawings (I use SAI for most of them).

The problem I'm having is that I spend more time cleaning the drawing than actually drawing stuff. It's normal taking the double amount of time drawing on tablet than drawing with pencil? Or it improves when the time goes on? (It's been 1 month since I began "converting" to digital).

Also, pic related is the last one that I made. How to improve the damn lines?
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>>3263029
Yes. It improves as times goes on. By trying out different kinds of lines and seeing what you think looks better.
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>>3263029
work in layers, rotate the canvas to your arm's most natural axis for straight lines/ellipsese, draw through what you want and then erase, work at a less magnified zoom level
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>>3263067
not that anon but any tips on making rotating the canvas less cumbersome? i don't do it just because it's annoying
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Another one, this was harder. I've only just "finished" with it so I can't really see the mistakes yet.
>>3261195
I realllllly don't know. I just draw however I feel like drawing it, there's no rule to how I go about each part
>>3261226
>>3261266
I understand the gist of what you're saying, but could you perhaps draw over a point on my drawing, to show me exactly what you mean?
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>>3263100
I don't understand you people and this thing you do. My brain doesn't work that way.
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>>3263101
what thing
what people
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>>3263102
Drawing like that. I can't do it and I've tried my damnedest. My brain has a completely different process.
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>>3263107
could you please explain the difference?

i'm have never really posted here before and have just sort of scribbled to myself for a long time without paying attention to process
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I am looking for any advice on how to improve forward!
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>>3263101
You mean... gesture drawing? Cause that's all that is.
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>>3263110
My old shitty scribbles look like this. Yours have a completely different process going into them that I've never been able to figure out. A lot of people do it like you and it looks cool but it's bizarre trying to do.
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>>3263129
i'm not really getting it/what the difference is
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>>3263125
Sure, whatever. The point is that there's completely different rhythms and process lines and contour and shape language that would never occur to me.
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>>3263024
Looking for what to do next
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>told anatomy is tedious and hard
>is actually fun and i enjoy it
why do people on /ic/ lie?
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>>3263083
idk i use photoshop and krita and it's easy as shit to rotate and set back to regular. learn shortcuts i guess, i'm not sure if sai is bad at that or wahtever
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>>3263101
Same, I know what you mean. Even with keeping my pencil down I don't draw like that still and it's frustrating when that's all that seems to be in some of the books for "how to draw"
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>>3263281
They're not lying, they do believe it's tedious and hard, they're just stating their opinions as fact and that's why they're wrong.

I have a lot of fun with anatomy, too, it's not just you man.
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>>3263284
I'm still confused and not sure what the difference is or what specifically that i am doing

Books tell you to draw in particular a way ?
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tfw mexican village children in the middle of a jungle draw better than me

its times like these that i need to kill myself asap
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>>3263090
This is nice, better than I can do for sure, but you lost a lot of interesting nuances. (You did not lose them from simplifying. The simplification is fine.) The line between the forehead and hair is more skewed than you've drawn. The sides of the chin are thicker. The shadow under the right eye is thicker. That line you have to give the nose depth, doesn't exist. I'm not saying this because I think you need to be super accurate; I'm saying this because I don't want you to throw away the unusual parts of the reference.
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>>3263090
in the black guy, the main features of the face definitely look like symbols and not what your eye is actually seeing. wanted to say when you posted but never got around to it.

firstly, you changed the perspective on him. in the photo he's looking slightly more up and slightly turned more away from the camera. this made you get some things more wrong and also resort to symbol drawing like the nose, lips, eye, and the ear. a lot of proportions are off because of how you drew the angle. the forehead profile is not the same either. the far eye is lower but doesn't seem to be following perspective as again you've resorted to a lot of symbols for the facial features and messed up the rotation of the subject.
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This looks like garbage but I'm having fun and learning
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>>3263442
That's a nice looking bike, keep it up.
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>>3263281
>>3263293
anatomy is legit one of the things I enjoy to studie the most atm
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Im starting to work on animation, heres my first animation
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>>3261001
Gents, I'm a welding student with probably zero artistic ability and yet I want to try my hand at drawing. I came across some of Otto Dix's work and I just couldn't stop looking at it, I just loved how he turned everyday things or even things that should be considered beautiful ugly. How do I learn how to draw like that? The sticky said to start off by copying the picasso picture, what if I start by copying Otto Dix drawings and prints? The drawings from Der Krieg had a particular effect on me, I want to do drawing the way he did about my deployments, life in the military and the aimless drifting I did all over the West Coast and Pacific Northwest in the months after I got out of the military
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>>3263484
Start copying all his stuff.
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>>3261001
What's the easiest way to apply grids to an image so that I can copy it and is that a good way to practice (not doing it *all* the time, of course)?
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>>3263090

Hey I’m the anon from this post
>>3261226

I can tell you the same exact mistakes you made, like this other anon
>>3263355

What is happing here is you are drawing some symbols but it looks like you are getting out from it. You re close to leave it. In the picture I posted, you can see how old masters simplified the eye. Notice how you can clearly see overlapping surfaces( planes).Use this as references.
Little things like this make the difference

Simplify doesn’t mean make easier.
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>>3263484
i believe in u, just watch out, drawing can be extremely frustrating at first.

Don't get discouraged!
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>>3263116
Can you give an example of your goal because it's clearly not based on reality. Also, just try and copy shit you think is good.
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>>3263116
idk shading and lighting.
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>>3263496
Grids
https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/24924/how-to-quickly-and-easily-create-a-grid-with-adobe-photoshop
VPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9PIUG2fjcQ
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Are there any structured art courses for getting me started that aren't shit? I know art doesn't work like other stuff and is about discipline and self discovery or whatever but I do better learning things with structure and just want something to get me to baseline.
Dumb question that has been answered but I have never touched a pencil artistically. 34, how fucked am I, realistically, in drawing things that don't look like explosive miscarriages? 2-3 years of multiple hours a day or worse?
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>>3263517
Not unless you pay, if you are willing to pay, you should pay for Vilppu's beginner course. It's very good.
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>>3263517
Make a cgpeers account and torrent everything you are interested in.
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>>3263505
I don't have photoshop.
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>>3263496
>>3263505
>>3263528
NVM FIGURED IT OUT! In GIMP, filters>render>pattern>grid.
https://docs.gimp.org/en/plug-in-grid.html
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>>3263530
Honestly, I have used SAI, PS, GIMP and CSP and SAI is the best for linework and the easiest to paint in, CSP is best for stylised linework, PS is the best for textured brushes and the GIMP was good for... colour to alpha (that was basically it). It's usually a good idea to pirate PS (although I have all four of them downloaded and ready to use on my comp) https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3177758
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>>3263522
Not half a grand on a whim good. No reasonably competent courses have been pirated or released on yt or anything?
>>3263526
invite only, still would just be me guessing at what is useful. Was just seeing if there was an OCW style thing to teach me art.
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>>3263532
You can sign up to CGP on the 1st and 15th of any month. You also don't need to bother seeding (despite what it says on the site).
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>>3263517
What do you want to draw?
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>>3263531
Oh, I don't use GIMP to make, haha. Just to put grids on an image so I can copy on paper.
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>>3263537
GIMP has actually useful filters
>2000+18
>still no colour to alpha for PS
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>>3263480
Looks alright but you need to work on your consistency
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>>3263535
Too many things, I think. I like painting and lineworks. Landscapes and animals, primarily. Not huge fan or portraiture or people in general, I think. I like stylized people, like comics and whatnot though so I figure I'd need to learn people regardless. For western comics, I like Daniel Warren Johnson and Geof Darrow. Eastern would probably be Inoue, Miura, or Sakamoto. For the animals I like the anatomical dissection natural history museum pieces and whatnot. Painting is too broad but scifi/fantasy generic stuff is cool. I also enjoyed the technical drafting from manuals from the military - so technical linework.
Now, I know these things are what I like to look at now and things I think I would enjoy drawing, but I can't draw a fucking circle. I really don't know what the progression for art and the relation between subjects are so I don't know if I'm just uber-fucked from starting too late and people other places just tend to default to "ur never too old to achieve ur dreams" stuff.
I figure if I was going to give it a go, finding a course on the basics would at least translate between all the random shit I want to make. Apologies for word vomit.
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>>3263517
>Are there any structured art courses for getting me started that aren't shit?
Unfortunately not. I found myself in a similar predicament. Working through a small selection of Bargue plates accurately will really help draftsmanship and rendering.

First comes the basics with Peter Han
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

I highly recommend this series to just get going drawing lines. (As you watch tutorials you're going to learn to watch at 1.5-2x speeds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aor_xEW21R0&list=PLXkHosWORUv6bxfPGz31WESqw_87adQ5r

Then you want books. This could be Vilppu, Loomis, Hampton, or other "beginner" books like Keys to Drawing but nothing gives the structure you want. Vilppu really clicked for me in a way the others never did but it's still very much meant for you to progress on your own.

After you've done a few introductory exercises you can dive right into Bargue (lessons start at 4 and 7 but it's good to get context for what you'll be doing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6lCvz1IiW8&list=PL3aPoNPQSJnSJVw2_GUVR7jC0nbnksq6F
This is a timely process and it is hard work. Hopefully with some of the gesture drawing practice you've learned to train your eye. It's mentally taxing but the rewards are very nice. It's up to you were you want to finish but the important thing is that you finish your work. It won't be great, it won't be perfect, you'll see in a year that you're embarrassed by it but finished work what you should be aiming for. If you want to do something, do it and keep working until you can do it up to your standards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRtV-ugIT0k

From there you can ask questions and figure out more about what you want to do by what you can't do. You don't need to buy all sorts of art supplies, pencil and paper will work for the most part for a long time.
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first time (trying) to shade a face and get the values right.
I think the face looks alright but the lips look like soft plastic..
how to paint texture?
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>>3263442
more bikes
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>>3263618
i like the simplistic style of these
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>>3263618
good studies
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>>3263586
her right/our left eye seems a little high. look up how others have tackled lips. you'll want some combination of small highlights and then a degree of darker value for the crevices of the lips. this really depends on what she's wearing. it could be a clearcoat and those dark spots could be more visible or lipsticj and they'll be more of a midtone or not there. depends on how you want to style it. i'd recommend doing studies on that by itself. also i wouldn't be doing the lips until i got values for the hair
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>>3263750
yeah the eye's a little wonky
I'm still practicing drawing portraits and such, thanks for the reply
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>>3263539
the thing is though that its not supposed to be a completely round circle the entire time, it flattens when hitting the ground and then makes an oval shape when bouncing back up and finally makes a circle in the air
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>>3263781
it doesn't preserve it's shape though even for squash and stretch. there's no consistency in the form.
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Some simplified figure drawings. Just discovered how useful different pencil leads are for this.
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>>3264033
Vilppu says
When drawing the figure, you draw the form and this form will make the contours.

You drew the contours. No the form.

First the gesture
Then the form
Then the construction
Then anatomy
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>>3264041
Vilppu is a shitter compared to his dad, j don't give a fuck what he says about anything.
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>>3264081
who the fuck is vilppu's dad?
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>>3264088
vilppu sr.
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>>3263503
I don't really have a goal, and that is part of my issue. I want to improve but I don't know where to start. I guess if I had to choose some, it would be the fine line between comic and cartoon, but I don't have a good example of that.
>>3263504
I have done cel shading on my other work but I chose not to do it on this one because it looked off. would it have been better with it?
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>>3264081
Kek
Is this a joke?
Or are you for real?
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Alright /beg/ >critique me. Starting drawing again after a couple of years. Main concern is that the image isn't flat, I know its far from perfect. Rate pls.
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>>3264178
Reference here.
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>>3264179
""""""""""""reference""""""""""""
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>>3264192
What is that supposed to mean?
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I wanna die. I'm so fucking shit at drawing and I'll never get better. What's the fucking point when you've got no talent?
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>>3263116
Your form is weak.
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>>3264195
your drawing shares no likeness to the reference
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>>3264226
No same anon here

That is why is a reference not a pic to copy.
When learning
You translate, not copy
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Feeling the form

This approach is super difficult, again I underestimated the exercise. I took my time doing this slowly

I apologize for the nasty work. I’m using 2b
I work clean but when studying my paper goes nasty because I’m not concentrated on line quality and clean work.

After get it I will worry about line quality.
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Made a sketch of a ancient homo sapien in crouching position. I am gonna color it. So please critique.
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>>3264316
How the fuck does it work?
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>>3264319
Does what work ?
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>>3264312
Now that i look at it i think the dick is too large
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>>3264320
Even though it's not exact line work, you can still see what it is and the weight and balance it has within the animation.
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>>3264312
Assuming this is not a shitpost

First p, You should tell us your goal on this sketch, and what errors you are available to see by your self.
This is important because people get tired to say the same things, also we avoid say generic things because we will know you eye skill.
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>>3264320
is he hopping?
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>>3264323
Did you just explain how it works ?
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>>3264325
It was supposed to be a leap and bite forward then he turns on the nearest leg in a sort of pivot but I didnot get that far-- stopped before the nearest leg land/full turn
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>>3264316
pretty cool
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>>3264312
>>3264324
Sry forgot to mention it. I would like to inquire about my anatomy. Does it seem realistic or proportionate?

Pretty much a new fag on this board
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>>3264192
>>3264226

Post your work
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How did I do?
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>>3264424
if this is your first drawing ever its ok
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>>3264424
You should give up drawing.
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>>3264424
i wanna fuck that
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In the process of making artwork for my game since i have free time. Here's my dual shield wielding insect tankbro, thoughts?
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>>3264428
>>3264430
>>3264436
Could you go more in detail what you think I did right of wrong?
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>>3264438
Why does he dual wield if he has four arms
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>>3264440
wrong: your trillion lines
the eyes are not to level, the eyes brows are not symmetrical, the nose looks like a booger, and lips needs to be slightly more symmetrical

right: it resembles a woman so you did that right, but its symbol drawing, the proportions but i guess if you entirely did this for some sort of super stylized thing then i guess i cant say the neck is too thin
the shape of the face itself is fine, it just needs literally everything else done right, like shading and not just symbol drawing every part of the face
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>>3264442
[spoiler]He uses his second pair of arms to wield the weapon of his secondary class. I have a class system akin to FFTA.[/spoiler]

Here's my huntress, she's supposed to look at a [spoiler]bee familiar[/spoiler] resting on her arm, kind of like a falconer.
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>>3264440
How much effort did you put in it? Does it look ok to you, do you feel like this is the best you can do? Do some reading first before trying to make something again.
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found a better gif making website, also tried using the tools better, what do I need to improve on in this one simple practice?
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>>3264446
Wow, spoilers don't work here, or am i just retarded? I'm sad either way.
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>>3264451
Don't work here.
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>>3264448
The bump is shaking for some reason, and the car doesn't change at all. It looks copy pasted. You could squash and stretch the car for more effect when climbing and going down the hill. The whole thing feels stiff and flat. Also there should be an animation thread in the catalog, you should be better off posting in there.
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>>3264446
I kinda like these designs
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>>3264460
I can show you a few more if you'd like to see (and give me tips on) what i have so far. Here's the Paladin, based on a stink bug. I've put a lot more work on the Guardian and the Huntress, though, so the few other drawings i have aren't as refined.
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>>3263090
You know what everyone is really saying when they say 'symbol drawing' to something that is still pleasing to glance at? It's because you have talent, but no structure yet. Even if you wanted to draw him in a different way, there are structural and shadow mistakes. Try posting your pictures without the reference so that people won't be stuck on comparing the two, instead looking at the structure.
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>>3264463
And various other classes a close friend of mine drew so i could take those as reference for future concept art.
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>>3264457
there's no animation thread and I dont really want to be the /beg/ with nothing to show to make it
I dont know how to clone slides yet, but once I figure it out it shouldn't be shaking anymore. thanks for the idea
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>>3263777
You could easily fix her eyes by raising her cheeks or lengthening the nose by just cropping and moving HER left eye up just a bit.
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>>3264319
why does this happen every time i post something
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damn guys wtf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOtuZZoU8IA&t=71s
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>>3263338
>>3263355
I think I understand what you are saying. I'll try working on making my drawings more accurate.
>>3263501
So, what I should aim to do is make the planes more visible? It seems what I did for the eye for example was draw it as a sort of general shape, which I can admit is me not showing enough concern for what it actually looks like; I should instead be properly defining the planes of the lids and such? I apologize if I have misunderstood, I'm pretty dense.
>>3264466
By structure, do you also mean defining planes and such? Or that I'm not putting my drawings together correctly? Again, sorry if I'm retarded
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>>3264486whoever made this could either stay shit forever or git gud in like 3 years, theres no inbetween
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>>3264132
Shading makes it look more 3d, but u can go kinda Nickelodeon sky and skip it i guess.
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>>3264424
stop using a tablet, stick to pencil and paper for now
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>>3263852
How'd I do?
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Any infographs or tutorials on detailed eye construction?
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>>3264515
Opening of the mouth seems a tad out of perspective to the mouth
Other than that pretty solid
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>>3264814
just a noob here but it's great to see you keep trying and improving.
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Please critique me !
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>>3264838
Please rotate and resize !
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>>3264847
>>3264856
shit nigga where the squish and squash at!?
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>>3264865
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>>3264864
sorry, I got lazy
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>>3264846
Sure !
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Having a bit of fun with my new ~~~cheap ass pencil kit~~~

Pic is from imagination (Lips for days!). Guess not having to draw eyes makes it a lot easier, too.
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>>3262843
He means to do the shoulder motions for that specific ellipse several times and then, without hesitation, get that chalk on the board once you're more confident that your arm will hit the exact movement it needs to. Also called ghosting.
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Is there any recommended free program for tablet drawing? Or will any of them do? I have GIMP right now.
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>>3264922
Krita.
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>>3262549
The head should be a bit narrower at the lower end. The hair on the right side is also a little off.
Besides that, it looks pretty good. Keep going, anon
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I’m looking to start drawing dragons and I was wondering if anyone knows of good references for general dragon anatomy? Like, it’s a long shot, but something like 3d poser or posable figure would be tops.
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>>3264947
Check pinterest for dragon anatomy. I saw a ton of tutorials the last time I was there. Too much in fact, saved hundreds.
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>>3262753
Gonna Make It
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I want to get better.
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>>3263090
This is really cool, please keep it up and keep posting your art.
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>>3264922
Torrent SAI 2, PS and CSP.
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>>3264831
tnx anon :)
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>>3264941
>>3264922
I'd also recommend Krita
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>>3264985
then start drawing what you see instead of what you think you see
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>>3263781
Right. Is it supposed to squash in the zenith of the second bounce?
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>>3264178
Symbol drawing. Try drawing the same image but flipped upside down.
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>>3261001
Nyeeehhhhhh

First time drawing a grill
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Does anyone else find that their work 'dies' as soon as they start inking? It happens to me both with digital and traditional media.
Is there any way to overcome this? I feel really demotivated to finish any work aside from graphite stuff that doesn't have an 'outline.'
Pic is hands/lineart practice that I'm doing.
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>>3265020
ooof i like
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>>3265029
It either means you're inking the wrong lines or you don't use line weight well enough.
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>>3265033
i seem to lose control of my pen every time i try to vary it :(
i've been working on my control though. maybe i just need more mileage.
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>>3265029
>Is there any way to overcome this?
Yeah. By not doing it.
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>>3265038
Not inking my drawings? I really wanna do stylized art / animu
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>>3265040
Well what tablet and program are you using?
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>>3265040
What if you just decided to draw with a marker or picked a harder brush in <your favorite drawing program>, and skip the "inking" stage altogether?
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>>3265046
im using a small wacom intuos and paint tool SAI. it's pretty much all i can afford.
i've been drawing digitally for 3 years now, it really bothers me that i can't seem to progress and i'm wondering if there's something off with my approach.
>>3265049
that's an idea. perhaps i should look into doing that
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>>3265020
Very static.
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>>3265053
1. Your main issue is line confidence → it looks very scratchy. Turn up the stabliser to at least 6, I used 6 on my intuos S. Lowering the stroke opacity to about 60-80% will make it look better too, but beware if you aren't careful while filling you will be left with weird bits because of the transparency
2. Your hands are not appropriately confident, animu hands need to look a lot like pic related to look good → long flowing curved strokes with no breaks for the lines between the digits
3. Bigger tablets do yield better lineart, I recently switched from an intuos S to an intuos M and found that my work was a bit less messy (I say a bit because I'd prefer to be a renderfag then spend 10 hours getting lineart right) and I don't have the autistic level of dedication to get lineart right.
4. The fags who do autistic level lineart are more likely to use the vector mode but I find it prohibitive when drawing.
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Daily reminder that you should not take everything you read on the internet, especially on /beg/, as fact.
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>>3265068
sou desu :^)

i'll take that into consideration while practicing. much thank
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>>3265073
Indeed, anon is taking inking advice from the messiest person on /ic/.
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This is my first time using waterpaint to color. How do you guys think i did so far?
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>>3264226
I didn't think it was that bad.
>>3265018
I flipped the image several times when I was drawing, I didn't really measure it because I want to get better at eyeballing. I'll try drawing it flipped from the get go. Thanks.
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Please critique me plus what should the background be




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