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IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the Drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Previous Thread >>3700560 (Cross-thread)

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.


READ THE STICKY if you need guidance when you haven't even started

Sticky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unredpilled, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

REMEMBER, if you've just started out you work will not be good, it doesn't need to be, just get in to the swing of actually drawing, and learning how to study. Most of all, enjoy it.
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references for drawing
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I think I've slowly been improving. How do I fix this? or place the torso/hand?
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>>3704381
start by drawig some reference lines. her heads so squashed
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>>3704386
Royal lineage probably.
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Does anyone have a guide on drawing realistic fur?
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Concentrating on increasing my proportions and accuracy, using the Dorian Iten guide. Any feedback/tips will be appreciated. More or less, I need to know if I'm on the right track and just need more time practicing.

This took roughly 50 minutes using a knitting needle and pencil.
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>>3704324
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Don't try to be the best.
Don't forget to draw for fun
Do some scribbles, silly cartoons, stick figures and other doodles.
Stay hydrated
Get enough sleep.
Smile while you draw.
You can do it if you want to
You will get where you want to go.
I believe in you!
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Aim to be the best. The competetive alway flourish
Draw to better yourself through studies, so you can eventually draw what you want to
Once you have mastered the traditional method develope your own style and look into existing styles
Dehydrate if youre entereting a bodybuilding competition
Its not enough to want, you must do. Even when you dont want to.
If you wander the roads youll get nowhere without a map.
The fastest way will become apparent
Dont believe in yourself. Believe in the me that believes in you
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>>3704470
cringe and bluepilled. NGMI
>>3704480
based and redpilled. GMI
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my art style is boring and tumblr-ish. I don't know how to improve :\
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>>3704542
Use reference.
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>>3704542
Stop drawing hipsters
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A practice from yesterday
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>>3704555
Yep. . . this one
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>>3704542
Youre already better than calarts grads.
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>>3704558
I think some corpses are better than them.
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>>3704565
It sounds like a compliment but in now way actually is
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How should I learn to draw legs and hips better? They seem vague muscularly if you feel me. The knees always look weird, the calves are never right. Should I just do a bunch of reference drawings or do you think I should study anatomy more? I’ll get around to all of it eventually but I was wondering if you guys had some helpful concepts to guide me.
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>>3704461
h-how?
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>>3704606
Both anatomy and references. If you will do only one of them it would take more time to learn it.
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How do you study anatomy with digital art? Is it okay to trace? Do you just look at the picture in another monitor and try to recreate it?

What if I suck at using digital art programs? How do I get good enough at CSP so I can start to do anatomical studies
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>>3704660

Learning digital tools is something you must do Anon there is no way around it the same way you need to learn how to drive a car to drive a car. Fret not the basics of CSP isn't much different from Photoshop or SAI or MSPaint really. If you know nothing of digital tools then t will be a pain and likely take a long time (like a few days up to weeks depending you have got the time). But it is a skill that pays massive dividends in the long term. While you are in the process of learning digital you can study anatomy on paper too, the web has a ton of tutorials, Loomis has anatomy tutorials too.

Now on digital tools

If you have no access to booklets and don't want to take a course and no other option are open I suggest scouring youtube(or google for tutorial pictures), there are plenty of newbie tutorials around for almost every popular software that teaches you the basics of using digital tools.

I would suggest starting with Paintool SAI because that is the most basic digital painting tool (that is not shit like MSPaint) that is really useful and widely popular and since it is free there is likely the most tutorial videos available.

Goodspeed Anon!
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>>3704660
Also CSP has a free online manual and other guides in its website

https://www.clip-studio.com/site/gd_en/csp/userguide/table_of_contents.htm

https://www.clipstudio.net/en/promotion/trial_tour/001/

http://www.clipstudio.net/en/howto/ishida_sawji_01
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I really like Inoue Takehiko's style and would like to be able to draw like that some day. Will following the sticky get me there or are there any specific books I should read? Also roughly how much time would it take to get there?
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Going through You Can Draw in 30 Days to get a little bit of a grasp on fundamentals. Is the book alright? I've delved a little bit into Keys of Drawing but I probably won't tackle it 100% until I'm done with this one.

Either way, drew a chest for day 5. Any glaringly obvious problems that I'm missing? I know I'm not the best at shading.
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what do after fun with a pencil?
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When people say practice doing Loomis for an hour a day do you just mean picking some random picture as a reference and then trying to get the anatomy down? After going through Fun With Loomis I'm a bit stuck as to what a common exercise would be that I could do for an hour each day.
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>>3704728
>roughly how much time would it take to get there?
Around 1500 hours of hard focused work.
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>>3704752
I would've thought much more than that. 1500 hours is about half a year at 8 hours a day. I'm curious how you got that number
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>>3704731
>>3704750
After "Fun" You go into "Perspective Made Easy" and then other Loomis books.
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>>3704755
>1500 hours is about half a year at 8 hours a day.
Yeah, it is. But don't even dream about it though.
You wouldn't even manage to do it for a month.
You will burn out and give up after a week.
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Anyone use Sakura Microns? Just ordered some and wondering if they're any good.
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>>3704728
It is impossible to tell how much time you will need to get there, life can pull obstacles into your face any time that will hinder your progress.
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>>3704772
You're right. Now that I think about it, it's one of those pointless questions. Knowing the answer wouldn't make any difference. I'll just try my best
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>>3704318
It's my first work (I just started to learning how to draw). Even if know how much elements in here are done badly I somehow like it, maybe cause I feel a little of movement
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Think this pose is okay?
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>>3704800
looks like that guy who doesn't know how to do hadouken
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in the running pose, I didn't put her leg at a bad angle right? she's meant to be a clumsy runner
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>>3704323
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>>3704381
I have a hard time with hand and feet. What seems to work for me is drawing triangle and square depending on the position.
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>>3704728
No telling. I started as a kid and i'm still learning. Straight up learned how to draw because a guy on PBS ( Not bob Ross but i did watch it ) I can't remember his name but he did basic cartoon drawings using shapes and that's how I learn. Spent hrs after school learning different style from comic books to low-rider art. Time
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>>3704318
So I want to start drawing stuff (I'm not in any way gifted, I just really fucking want it), and I decided to start with buying a drawing tablet, because why not, I have the money. I also have an iPad, so Apple Pencil is an option.
Considering that Apple Pencil costs $100, is it the best option, or could I get a better drawing tablet for that price?
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>>3705016
well yeah obviously
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>>3705018
What do you mean, exactly?
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>>3705020
i wouldnt buy an ipad but since you have one get the pencil
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>>3705023
Okay then, thought so. Thanks.
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>>3704318
if you were 2 IQ points lower, I bet you would have dropped the fucking sticky link too
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>>3705029
>1000px in this day and age
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ESSENTIALS:

>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.
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>>3704318
something I did yesterday,
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>>3705016
Pencil and paper
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>>3705035
When I was a kid I did this with jcpenny mag and any clothing mail mag at the time. I took the pic and separate color and shadow by pen. its a good way to understand highlight and shadow
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>>3705048
not a /beg/, please go!
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>>3705016
huion q11k
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>>3704432
Look for and learn everything you can about gesture.
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>>3705079
A drawing will last far longer than your pathetic life. If you think there's no difference between portraiture and photography, you're kind of slow. Maybe find another hobby you can understand, like collecting stamps.
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>>3705082
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>>3705048
totally /beg/, stay.
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>>3704557
What was your workflow on this, and blog?
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>>3704381
Never forget defining traits.
You missed them and she looks like another character cosplaying
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Have been studying Hamptons book and feel like i got better with body. What do you guys think
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>>3705169
lol
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Haven't drawn anything for about a year, was bored the other day and decided to draw. This was the result.
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>>3704968
You really need to work on drawing clean and more deliberate lines.
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>>3705192
Now that's definitely not /beg/. Looks good, dude.
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I have no idea what I'm doing or where I'm going.
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>>3705222
Tell me who this is meant to be. If you say bowie i swear to god
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Just starting to get back into drawing. Here's a few from my sketchbook, any input is appreciated
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>>3705232
It's no one in particular
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>>3705214
Thanks, but I still have a lot to work on.
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>>3705244
top right has a real handsome squidward vibe going on
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>>3705234
Very scratchy and stiff, keep up the work though! Not too bad
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whats a good book on hands? i feel hoggarth is beyond my skill level right now
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>>3704693
>>3704705
Ive been using Clip Studio on and off for a while. I know how to manage layers, I know how to select, transform, rotate, etc.
But I only use their default brushes because I assume I can do most things with the default tools. But I really dont know how to shade or render or do much of anything. I dont even know which tool is brush is good for sketching. Or what stabilizer setting to use.

Youtube tutorials are mostly, it seems, either 20 minutes explaining how color wheel and layers work (which i know) OR they are the polar opposite, and assume you know everything. Maybe i just suck at finding the right videos tho
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I'm NGMI guys. How the fuck do you keep what you read and watch in your heads? As much as I try to apply what I learn it doesn't stick.
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>>3705474
By taking breaks often anon, I know this sounds weird but taking frequent short breaks is an essential part of the process. Remember even Vilpu said that "Art is basically problem solving." If you just stop and take a break while you are doing your construction/planning/sketching/etc to tear your gaze away from it and break the concentration process and clear your head then come back in 2 minutes without looking at it your mind had enough time to readjust itself to a more critical and problem solving mindset and get a more objective view on the work.

Just try it do it the pace you feel comfortable, take a break in a timed manner like every 20 minutes or take breaks at certain step of your drawing, like when you completed the base planning but haven't put down a solid line yet or when you are starting to feel frustrated with it. Whenever it happens take a short break and let the steam out and ease your mind into critical and problem solving mode. Then come back take a look at it from far away and think. do not just jump right into it. stay an think about you typical mistakes you know about if they are there.
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>>3705326
try this vid on brush and rendering/shading
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nt9fa8jZUE&t=1s

Default brushes are fine yes you can do almost anything with them unless you need a special pattern or something. Stabilizer setting is should be set for yourself to be comfortable with and not get too laggy or artificial.
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Trying to draw a warrior dwarf girl.
Is that feminine looking?
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>>3705511
Not really, you should try looking at a real face while drawing, and also watch videos of someone who can draw a face draw a face
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>>3705511
Sorta... I guess.

IMO eyes are too large compared to face; forehead too small. Even as a "dwarf", try to get your proportions right (I know it's a meme but Fun With Pencil - Loomis).

Entire drawing looks 2D. Go find Proko's videos on eyes, ears and mouth and look at how he constructs each feature in a 3 dimensional shape.

Don't even consider details (like you've put with eyes) until you've blocked out the basic shapes.
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>>3705515
thanks a bunch.
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What should I do after drawabox? Also why is it controversial?
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>>3704542
I am not good at cartoons at all but here are some ideas anon.

Your characters seem to all be meek and bored give them more lively poses and expressions. Make sure their posture is balance and not falling over.

Simplify! You seem to be lost in the details, details are good if the basics are sound. Take a step back and simplify your characters give them dot eyes for awhile until you are comfortable with them.

Proportions, styleiziation is fine and all but unless you go for abstraction there is a limit on how much you can go before your characters turn into static caricatures instead of "living and moving" ones. Try to keep the basic proportions of the body in mind like torso-leg ratio, arm-leg ratio, arm-body ratio etc. If you keep these you can draw a lot different looking humanoid characters and still make them look alright.

Perspective, put your characters on the ground, make their feet angle downwards since that is how the ground appear if you look down from a standing perspective. Use curves and circular lines instead of straight lines, using straight lines can make a picture look very flat.
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>>3705532
advanced symbol drawing
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>>3705222
If you're trying to draw realistic proportions then the middle third is too long
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>>3705535
that is what cartoons are anon
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So i bought a beginer's wacom like a month ago and this is the first time that i've used it. I wanted to start coloring my sketches because i never use color.

Anyone knows a good book about colours and colour theory? I really don't know where to start.
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>>3705576
These 3 are pretty good the first especially
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj1FK8n7WgY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErI7gIWzxlY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRlc2B5l-HE
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>>3705580
Thanks brah
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>>3705511
The dakside of the cheeks and those baggy eyes make her look malnourished and zombie-like (maybe she is undead I don't know) I would put more meat on those cheeks to make it rounder, fuller and more lively.
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>>3705592
You are trying to draw a woman with the body structure of a man.

Mens shoulders are wider than their hips and womens hips are wider than their chest, so your characters shoulders are too far apart.

Oh, the traps are way too big as well, unless you want them to be that size of course then it's fine.
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>>3705538
Okay I see what the problem is, thanks. I'll keep at this and shorten it up a bit.
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Some timed figure drawings. I'm not sure if I'm approaching these right; I keep wanting to use the same method in the longer poses as I do for the 30-60 second ones, which are focused more on the action of the pose rather than proportion and anatomy.

Is there like a specific mindset I should try to be in when doing the longer ones?
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>>3705112

based
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How am I doing /ic/?
Trying again after a long time...
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>>3705511
>>3705592
Thought I'd have a stab at it anons, hope you don't mind
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quick sketch experimenting with new brushes. any advices ?
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>>3705691
vary the brush size so that it gets smaller in areas you need to be detailed/precise with (some areas of face) and larger where implication is enough (areas further from the focus)
>>3705657
pretty gud, some of the proportions are a bit weird, and the gesture is somewhat stiff. if i were you i would do some gesture drawings, and work on simplifying the body down to fewer curves for ease of understanding
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>>3705489

Needed this. Thanks for the advice, anon. :) Gonna keep going for you. <3
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>>3705698
Thanks anon
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>>3705698
understood thx anon
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I just started learning how to draw last week and this is my first attempt at something. If I want to draw manga someday, do I just focus on practicing how to imitate anime characters? And how do I get rid of "chicken scratch"?
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>>3704557
I like the idea and the figures, but the background and composition need a lot of work.
Just now saw I was in /beg/, so this is really good man
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>>3705769
Here's my thinking on the issue. I have a lot of free time to draw, so I like to split my time between doing genuine study and practicing the things I like.
So I might spend an hour doing traditional figure drawings, and then I'll spend another doing free-form sketches.
You're more than welcome to copy art you like if it helps you learn (just don't try to pass it off as your own), but also keep the fundamentals in mind - as that's how you'll get the most out of it.
Try to reverse engineer the art you're copying and figure out how they did it, rather than just making a raw, thoughtless copy.

Chicken scratch is easy enough to iron out, just try to accept the lines you've drawn rather than assembling it piecemeal.
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>>3705617
I don't know if I fixed the problem or not
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>>3704730
The lid is too small to cover the box
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>>3705742
>>3705743
Can you fuckers help me already?
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>>3705954
Okay, what do you want help with specifically?
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>>3705960
The standard Help package.
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>>3705974
Read Loomis and stop shitposting
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>>3705978
Why would I listen to someone who can’t even take their own advice?
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>>3705988
>no u
ngmi
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I never finish anything. Any help?
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>>3704322
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>>3705995
"Fun with a pencil" all the way.
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>>3705998
How do you find vanishing points for images like this? I don't see any landmarks to do it so I'd completely eyeball it..
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>>3704470
The Virgin artist

>>3704480
miChad Angelo
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>>3706020
i found horizon near the tree in the back, sketched rough base outline and used perspective ruler
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>>3706056
What is a perspective ruler?
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>>3705035
>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3023643

which of these books should I read first?
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>>3706081
keys to drawing or loomis's fun with pencils
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what should i do to expand my visual library?
i can draw boxes and ellipses but my visual library is lacking
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>>3706197
Draw what you see and take mental notes.
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>>3705796
Thanks anon, I'll keep this in mind
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>>3706015
Working on it.
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>>3706210
Good. Keep at it, and you'll git gud faster than you'd think.
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I have no clue on how to colour things. I think this is the best colouring job I've done. I don't know if I'm autistic or something because when I google colouring it's the whole "Don't just use a darker version of the main colour." which isn't too helpful when I don't know where they're supposed to go. I want to have it have that 3D look that a lot of anime illustrations have.
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How do I draw short lines straight? Long ones are easy to get straight but I tend to overshoot. Is it just something that comes with drawing 1000s of lines?
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>>3706342
Anon start by selecting the base colors and then choosing a light source (or two maybe) and then you can find the shadows and lights much much easier.
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Anyone here have any advice on working with 3D stuff?
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Still very much a beginner despite three years of art-school.

I am lacking in a lot of departments, I mostly stick to drawing and penmanship (in which I am no means a master either) but I want to branch into more painterly aspects.

I'm having a big issue of creating contrasting elements in my pieces, pic related.

Are there any specific theories or ways to approach my issue? I've seen some links in regards to color theory, but I also wanted to hear a general critique as well, if anyone is up for it.

Thank you.
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>>3706345
ghosting
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What's the best way to learn colour theory? I'm having a hard time getting colours right while painting :(
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>>3706393
check >>3705580
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>>3706391
Drawing and general painting this aside, work on your values before you even think about color. Your value range is limited as hell so there is no contrast. Pic related yours on the left with the darkest and lightest value, on the right after I played with the levels for 30 seconds. Don't put the cart before the horse and work on your fundies.
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I'm trying to get figure perspective right. I did this
character from an above point of view, but i can't shake the feel that she looks like a midget, clear indicator that i got the perspective all wrong. I think something is wrong with her legs? Or i went overboard and made her butt way too big?
Would like help
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>>3706481
It's pretty good anon, would fap!
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>>3706342
Why is her ax so small lmao
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>>3706481
It looks like there's a bit of a fishlense effect going on in her middle area. Try rotating her legs from the ass down a bit to the right. With th epivot being at her ass. Although I've fapped to that doujin many times, and will do so again thanks to you.
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>>3706468

Thank you, would you say that starting with greyscale might be better for me to better detect/establish values?
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Can someone add some more anatomical landmarks to this self portait i'm working on. It's hard to see all the bone mass and structure in the mirror i'm using right now, i'm just not muscular or skinny enough to see all.

I have a few anatomical books i'm looking through but what i need help are just the neck muscles and the arm. I'd appreciate it.
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>>3706671

oops, stupid phone pics.
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>self portait
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>>3706673
nigga you look like my undead mage in WoW
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>>3706671
>>3706673
I want to say I'd be interesting in knowing what you look like, but it would probably give me nightmares and make me believe Satan walks the earth.
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>>3706686

Nigga it's just a sketch for a painting i'm going to do over it. Nothings final really, just getting the pieces in place. I get anatomy to an extent, especially if i can see what i'm doing in a model, but it's harder on yourself when you're just a normal looking person and you have to exaggerate and imagine certain things.
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>>3706697
Literally NOTHING about your drawing looks okay.
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>>3706697
>I get anatomy to an extent
I'm not trying to be mean anon, but no, you do not.
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>>3706673
>>3706696
Yeah no, I demand a reference pic because holy fuck
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>>3706704

?? It's exaggerated, i'm on here to ask for help with adding landmarks.

>>3706708

But i do, i never took a pic of the more finished version of this but i did it in italy in school. I think even the unfinished version proves more than enough that i have an idea of anatomy. This was 24x36

>>3706709
As i said before it's an exaggeration, i wasn't even bragging idk what all the fuss is about.
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>>3706717
Actual cringe from me bro, yikes.
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>>3706717
I mean, if you're going for impressionism then alright, sure.

If you're trying to do genuine anatomy, you're gonna have to study your shit more, my guy
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>>3706724

yikes 2 u bro.

>>3706725

Lol i'm not chum bum i came on here asking for help with adding some more muscle landmarks because i do have limitations with my anatomy knowledge. I am going for expressionism as well, it's by no means supposed to be a michelangelo or courbet or school study.
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>>3705653
Any thoughts?
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first ever time holding a graphic tablet, or actually trying to draw anything properly, i'm really having trouble with perspective, a part of the charger is in one perspective it feels like and the other in a whole different one, what can I read besides the sticky to help on the matter?
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>>3704322
Giving it a shot.
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>>3706481
> but i can't shake the feel that she looks like a midget
thats beacuse the proportions are off, she is like 5.5 to 6 heads tall, which means she has the proportions of a child
goog job otherwise
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>>3706973
>which means she has the proportions of a child
h-hot
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>>3705742
>>3705742

OIngo Boingo Brothers!!!
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>>3706973
she could just be a small woman which is nice
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/ic/ actually inspired me to do some semi realism today, i'd like some feedback
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Alright. I decided to finally open up. Any one who has a quick second, please give me feedback. I'm still working on it. I haven't studied and focused on colors. But this is my raw skill? If you can, please be brutal on me. I want to improve and I want to know what you anons think.
> I didn't spend enough time on lips.
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>>3707062
>>3707059
You need to study noses way more
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>>3707077
I noticed one nostril is bigger.
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>>3704381
just be yourself

>>3704728
gauge how far away you are from your goal, practice for a while and check how much you've improved based on the difference in your drawings over time spent learning and use that rate to gauge it. you may be surprised just how quickly you can pick up drawing skills with dedicated practice. dedication is the only hard part.

>>3705016
pencil and paper is always the way to go imo because pocket sketchbooks are easier to bring along with you everywhere irl to do quick observational sketches and don't rely on battery life.

>>3705769
get rid of scratchy lines by drawing in ink traditionally.
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>>3706386
kind of a vague question
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>>3707099
such a sexy mommy
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>>3707062
push your values more. the face looks really flat as it is. for example pic related may not have super dramatic lighting but there’s still enough variety to create depth. don’t just focus on darks, lights are important too
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Welp, time to fucking quit. I didn't realize it before now but looking at this, I see I am just completely hopeless.
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>>3707129
hyperrealism is a joke
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>>3707126
Noted. Ironically i thought i was lacking ln darker values. But overall, would you say Im going in a good direction? I definitely need a lot of work for sure.
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I'm 20 and the only drawing I've ever done was little doodles when I was a kid. Is it too late for me?
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>>3707156
no u retard start drawing
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>>3707156
Nah, time to start. Start now and you will progress. Keep stalling and you won't go anywhere.
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>>3707156
Yes. Become an architecht
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>>3707156
No, I'm 25 and just starting too. Join the struggle, anon. We'll both make it
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how's the pose?
feel like the legs should be positioned differently but idk how
also def feel like the boxing arm needs to be redrawn, feels flat
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>>3704947
head is not wide enough (cranium is too thin) eyes are too high, features are not defined (symbol drawn), juicy lighting / value pattern from ref isn't defined and line work is messy
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painting no 4 or 5
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>>3707156
Fellow mid-20s beginner!
I'm also starting as a complete scrub, it's definitely not too late.
We still have a good 30 years to git gud at drawing, it's a LOT of time to work with.
Hope to see your progress in a few months.
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>>3707198
i would try doing this kinda angle
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>>3707228
fuck thats dynamic
but i dont wanna steal
thanks tho
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>>3707231
feel free, I don't mind lol. here's the transparent lines layer.
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First time trying 8B charcoal as well as 2B graphite.
I think the inside of the hand, especially around the 3rd finger, could've been darker.

Also my detailing on the 3rd finger and pinkie seem... blegh.
Proportionally fingers are a bit too long.
Any more feedback welcome.
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Starting off with Fun with drawing after finally getting a tablet and wondering if I should really stick with it. I see myself using the circle tool very often to try and get a perfect head but not really too sure what I'm doing here. Some of the things he does later on seem really complicated and come out of nowhere with the amount of details he puts into his stuff. I kind of feel thrown into the deep end of the pool, should I have started with keys to drawing or drawing on the right side of the brain first?
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>>3707264
" I see myself using the circle tool very often to try and get a perfect head but not really too sure what I'm doing here."
Why? The point isn't to get a "perfect" circle, but a near enough approximation to measure the rest of the features.

Try Proko's "How to draw the head from any angle" on Youtube, maybe the circle drawing will make more sense after seeing a live demo.
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>>3706545
That has problems of it's own
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJitss58XKc&t=0s

Just learn to draw and how to think about values first
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How do you know how long arms are supposed to be?
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>>3707266
Oh okay, just checked that out, thank you I'll continue practicing with that.
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>>3707264
The head is not a perfect circle.
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>>3707273
1. Google human proportions
2. Find a reference photo for a human and measure relative to other body parts.

Depending on genetics, arm spans could be massively different relative to total height so there is no one right answer.

If your character is not facing directly at us/perfectly profile, then remember to foreshorten.
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>want to draw goblins and orcs and other fantasy shit
>all of these youtube artists saying to start with realism and then work my way from there
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>>3707062
What >>3707126 said is all valid some more finer details on the nose, lips and eyes can go a long way. Keep the light direction unified and then use the face's surface to put in some more shadows.
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>>3707290
This isn't wrong anon, the advantage of learning to do realism is that you will be able to produce more varied faces of different races from multiple angles and lighting sources. Otherwise you run the risk of only being able to do one single face. It is a hassle butit is well worth the time invested.
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>>3707271
What do you guys think?
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>>3707290
Define realism.
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>>3707322
It's pretty good anon, except the goofy teeth
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>>3704318
OP's pic looks good, why is it used for this thread?
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>>3707059
Not sure if this is supposed to be male of female, but I assumed male.

It is good, usual advice is to push your values and study the nose as >>3707077 said. The nose is a real bitch to learn but it pays to do so.

pic my shitty attempt without ref to make it more manly making the face more angled and giving him a more flat and wider chin, not sure if you used a reference or not, if not then really good job.
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>>3707054
by loomis, she would be aprox 4'4"
meanwihle actual botw zelda is 5'7"
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>>3707385
nice
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>>3707390
what would be nicer, is drawing link like that, with a big strogn man next to him youknow like a fahter
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>>3707393
yeah a father that could teach him a thing or two
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>>3707156
It's never too late. I'm turning 24 in a couple days and I'm somewhere between advanced beginner and intermediate.
Learning new skills is hard, but you can do it super fast with dedication and discipline.
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>>3707262
Be less gentle with the pencil. There's way too much white space, making the values nearly unreadable.
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>>3707361
Yeah it was supposed to be a guy. Really thanks for the in depth critisism, anon. I saw >>3707077 but really wasnt sure what anon meant and stayed quiet. I see what you both mean now, that nose has way more depth. I could have stretched that nose and mouth more for a more visually sound expression as you did, im noticing. I also love what you did with the eye, too. I used a reference for the hand, but otherwise I was just throwing some things together.
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>>3707302
Awesome, this is all helpful. Thank you for your time.
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>>3707264
Also interested in this, I'm currently practicing the head and I can't for the hell of me get further than a somewhat okay symbol head, all those details he adds just come out of nowhere.
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>>3707273
Basically make them the length you want as long as you think it looks good, the human body is so variable that even if you drew a freak a worse live one has already seen the day on earth.
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>>3707399
How long have you been drawing senpai?
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>>3707062
WIP

What do you think? I'm trying to find my style rn, I suck at realism.
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How the fuck do you guys draw every day? I can never do it for some reason.
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>>3707610
You don't look like you need to.
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>>3707572
Anon I don't want to be rude to you but I think you shouldn't focus on finding your style. Your style is something that will emerge as you create and improve. A style is the culmination of your skills, preferences and tastes and you are comfortable creating. I think a "style" is not something that you suddenly find, a style is something that is not a constant and fixed thing, it changes all the time as you keep growing and experiencing more and get influenced by others. And it will continue to change until you reach a certain level but that will take quite awhile.

Improving your "realism" if you wish to call it that way will also help your style to emerge, in fact studying the works of other people will also help it. So just relax and keep creating and doing your improvement, keep exposing yourself to new things and and pushing your boundaries.
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>>3707655
>Improving your "realism" if you wish to call it that way will also help your style to emerge, in fact studying the works of other people will also help it. So just relax and keep creating and doing your improvement, keep exposing yourself to new things and and pushing your boundaries.
Yeah thanks i get but my problems start at the moment i want to do something and i don't know how to aproach it, should it be realist, should it be anime, should it be stylized? I get confused with the proportions and i fuck it all up.

Also thanks for the redraw, really good.
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>>3707661
Then just keep doing what you feel is right as long as you are motivated. I would suggest that you keep studying that can help with indecisiveness by taking the burden of decision off of you. Studying other people's art (not mine I am just another /beg/er) that you enjoy will give you new ideas and insights.
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I fucked up this one so bad and cant figure out why that im going crazy. The eyes are a bit high because im trying to put their lower part were the center is supposed to be in order to stylise it a bit. No references used tho.
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Im going to post this one too just to show thay im not that awful at drawing. Critique it too plz
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Help me /ic bros. I posted recently a lot asking for advices. I have a new question. If i reach a level where my anatomy and proportions are not gigaterrible, dare i say almost decent how do i move to the next step in finding my own style? Let's say i enjoy dave greco, wlop, apterus art how do i start to develop a similar style or a combination ? Should i start to practice copying their style ?
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How do I learn this coloring style?
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>>3707737
>Should i start to practice copying their style ?
1. Learn to see
2. Learn values and edge control
3. Repeat 1 and 2 until you can draw anything comfortably and confidently
4. Start copying your favorite artists and learning their visual language
5. Frankenstein your own amalgamated style from bits and pieces of your favorite artists' styles
This is basically it, good luck
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>>3707737
read >>3707655
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>>3707741
That's pop art. The basic idea is to color everything like it's the most important and coolest thing in the world, if that makes any sense.
Use extremely high contrast, forget about every shade of lightning that isn't pure white or pitch-black, and forget about any nuance in your color palette. Make everything pop, basically.
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>>3707744
>>3707749
thx. The problem is that i don't want to push to extreme realism idk. But i think i kinda understand >>3707655 this. So i should just keep practicing, studying other artists and my style will develop.
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>>3707741
What >>3707756 said this style is used in western comic books as well, where a large potion of the picture's shading is made of pure balk ink, on that picture the difference is that it does not use hatching for midtones.

If you wish to learn that firt lead to produce a picture with detailed black color to simulate the ink. Then add the colors.
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I've been trying to do some isometric kind of art lately. Square shapes are easy but I'm kinda struggle with round shapes and perspective when I try to put the character on the block. Do you guys have any tips or tutorials about this?
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>>3707790
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Does a tablet actually offer anything that helps me in learning how to draw or is it just less messy?
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>>3707793
you aren’t drawing the round shapes at the same angle as the cube first of all. to make it work you need to think of the round shapes as spheres, and position them the correct way. also isometric art is usually done at a higher angle, i don’t think this angle is working for you. basically, think of making 3d shapes in 2d
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>>3707807
Tablets are really good for learning and experimenting because of the fact that nothing is permanent and you aren't wasting money on materials. Tablets will not teach you how to use a pencil or paintbrush, so if your goal is traditional, start with traditional.
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>>3707843
Would drawing with both impede my progress somehow?
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>>3707850
Your medium doesn't really matter. The aspects of art that lead to increased ability are almost all theoretical or mental, like perspective, value, and proportion. Learning how to use a tool like a pencil to express those foundations is the easy part, so just pick one and start studying.
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>>3707853
Okay, thank you.
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Why do my loomis faces look so unappealing? Are the shapes that I use bad? Do I make mistakes with the proportions? I spent so much time trying to improve but im not improving at all...
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>>3707861
They're really tiny
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>>3707861
It's fine, the issue is that you have all the messiness of the sketch phase, most things look awful in the sketch phase, even professional artists do some horrendous sketches. I recommend you try to use clean lines with a pen and then use an eraser to clean the sketch out and get a truer sense of what you're doing.
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>>3707861
Some of these are actually good anon. Keep going. Do some actual fully rendered face studies too.
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>>3707893
The issue is that ive been copying faces since i began drawing, so while my portraits are passable, my head construction skills are laughable. I still struggle with choosing values but right now Im more concerned with being able to draw heads from imagination.
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>>3707905
Looks good to me. But the neck area show a different gesture than the head.
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>>3707620
Doesn't mean I can just slack off and not draw for 2 to 3 days. I don't know how I can get myself to draw when I want to draw.
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>>3707917
>I don't know how I can get myself to draw when I want to draw.
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>>3707920
Don't you feel it too? When your mind and body force you to do something else?
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>>3707929
What are you waffling about.
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>>3707917
You are worried about the results of your work, which holds you back, you want to draw but at the same time you are afraid that the result will be unacceptable and that you ultimately just wasted your time. Let go of this idea, no matter what happens as long as you have drawn something it was okay even if it was shit it is okay. You simply have to waste time with this otherwise you will not get better.
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>>3707935
Probably lack of willpower. It's a bitch.

Is around 2 hours a day a decent amount of practice for a beginner?
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>>3707941
Just draw lol.
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>>3707905
Luna loud, do you have a blog?
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I hate myself for being such a braindead retard
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Some WIP

>>3704322
>>3706949
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>>3707969
Go and draw more Anon! /ic/ is the worst place for finding emotional support.
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>>3707948
yes https://www.deviantart.com/0tanichan
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>>3707916
like this?
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First piece? Any tips for improvement anons?
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>>3707969
Not bad at all, anon.
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Still trying to get heads. I like drawing figures more but I can only draw so many faceless mannequins.
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Will bargue studies make me improve? And besides bridgeman, how do I learn to draw the figure from imagination?
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Can someone please tell me how to get better at drawing folds? Do I really need to go through and memorize all the different types? I have trouble learning and remembering things, so this approach is hard for me. Is there a more intuitive approach? If I just practice drawing folds from references and life, will I be able to put wrinkles in the right places on a drawing of a t-shirt? I'm really stressed out.
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>>3708061
''Careful study and the constant & repeated copying of Bargue's exercises have given me an insight into figure drawing. I have learned to measure and to see and to look for the broad outlines, so that, thank God, what seemed utterly impossible to me before is gradually becoming possible now. I no longer stand as helpless before nature as I used to do.''
Van Gogh
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>>3708066
You need to copy refs and, attempt to, learn the sifferent fold types. Spend 10-20 minutes copying the fold types from the book youre reading through. Then spend 30min-1hr on a fabric study.
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Literally my first time visiting /ic/ did I do the right figure appropriately?
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>>3708125
No. Constructing a figure isn't just making a wire skeleton on your flatly-drawn bodies. You need to use blocks, spheres and cylinders and show them in perspective. You need to use actual 3D shapes, not just flat guidelines.
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I need help with the nose /beg/ bros
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im gonna redo this digitally, give me some tips/critiques for the final piece
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>>3708147
he could use a cool pose maybe
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>>3708147
Looks good to me, go for it.
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>>3704432
One thing I would recommend doing is thinking about how the anatomy of a human body works. Right now it looks like you aren't quite getting that overall, the biggest example being the head. You're focused on the shape of the hair that you see on her head, rather than what her skull is underneath, making it look like her head just got crushed by a baseball bat. Sketch out the head and then add the hair on after.

You're proportions aren't too bad, its just the foreshortening happening in some areas like the arm on the wall making it look wonky. Like it's not that far off.

I think you are doing fine, and yes, more time practicing is always good!
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Here's some perspective sketches I did. I'm really unpracticed with perspective stuff and I struggle with it, so how am I doing?
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>>3706342
Generally the two things when doing shadows is avoid using black or what you've said, the same color but with a darker value.
Generally you would want a cooler color (based off a purple or blue) unless the overall lighting of your drawing is already using those colors.

One thing you could do is take a good piece of art you like, throw it in Photoshop || whatever you use (editing on a phone might work, but it'll probably look shit), and boost the saturation all the way up. You can then see the different colors that are used/harder to see that exist in different areas of the image and try too recreate that in your own drawings.
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>>3705872
Middle guy is slightly better but basically the same. The top ones are on the right track. The bottom guy and some guys from the pic before appear to have no room in their heads for a brain at all. Just do the Loomis head construction thing until you get the hang of it.
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>>3707737
study their work by copying, and when you draw new pieces have their work up to look at as reference.
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The goddamn eyes almost drive me crazy, how I'm a doing tho?
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Feedback, I think head, hands, and feet need work.
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>>3707905
don't really know how the neck would work here
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>>3708275
Is not bad but you're doing what most beginners do. You're making nose area too long.
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>>3708302
I see, it´s true and from seeing other drawings it happens in most of them lol, thanks.
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>>3708067
Thank you Anon. Quality advice

I appreciate it
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copying others artits will help me get better?
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>>3708061
bargue teaches you observation and accuracy, but it won't teach you understanding of 3D. life drawing is better for that.
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>>3708314
Sargent also learned from the Bargue course.
http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2014/05/yvons-academic-drawing-manual.html
Good luck anon
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For the first time in... Ever, drawing something has actually given me some comfort in a time of peak self loathing. It reminded me that I can still learn, even if I only do a couple little drawings in a day.

I hope this feeling sticks. I hope this is the turning point where the stress of trying to learn is overshadowed by the pure joy of drawing again.
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>>3708319
depends on how you do it. imo copying anything and trying to think of how it works in 3D is really helpful.

https://twitter.com/pine_apa02/status/1070090735733694464
https://twitter.com/pine_apa02/status/1069857108349325312
here's 2 studies i did.
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>>3708326
That's a cute pic, anon
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>>3706804
More doodling today
Props to all of you who've stuck to this for so long that you've actually gotten good. Now that i've actually tried it, I see that drawing is in no way easy
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>>3708326
>It reminded me that I can still learn,
Not with those eyes you can't.
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>>3708231
Thanks! I'm starting to understand the problem a bit better now. I'm gonna keep working on it. Maybe the nose just needs to be a little bit smaller or maybe the top of the head a bit bigger?
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>>3708338
Not the person you're replying to but what does your stupid post even mean?
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>>3708343
He can't learn. His art is fundamentally fucked. He should quit while he's ahead and do something else with his time.
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>>3708344
That's the point of learning though, jackass. What do you think this thread is about? Are you expecting amazing art from a beginner's thread? You need to leave and never come back.
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>>3708346
>That's the point of learning though, jackass.
It isn't. Not with fundamentals like that. Some people will just never improve.
>You need to leave and never come back.
That's what I'm trying to tell him.
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>>3707713
>>3707715
I can't tell if it's the shading or the face structure in general, but your girls look like guys
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>>3708341
Try watching this video. It simplifies what Loomis teaches in his book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U
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>>3708349
Okay, whatever makes you feel better about yourself
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>>3708353
I'll feel better when this jackass >>3708326
leaves.
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>>3708349
>>3708354
Wow, you really got me with that harsh criticism. Man, I'm so upset, I'll never draw again! Aw dang! Oh gosh!

You really set me straight anon, I really have no idea what I would do without your expert advice.
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>>3708354
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you are that person and you're samefagging.
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>>3708354
>>3708353
>>3708349
Isn't the point of these threads to critique and give advice. You're both just arguing over some dumb shit that doesn't even matter.
Just tell the fucked what's wrong with his art. Better yet, show him how it's supposed to be if you're that good at drawing it
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>>3708357
Bad attempt at sarcasm, just like your horrible scribble.
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>>3708360
>>3708354
do you need a fucking breather lad? he said nothing negative whatsoever in his post, stop fishing for attention
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>>3708331
damn, I'm doing exactly what you're doing
feels good to be in the right track
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>>3708362
He's just trying to capitalize on other people's insecurities. There's a couple ways to take it:

1. He's trying to encourage competition in a sort of "there are only winners and losers. If you're a winner, prove it, if not then quit," way.
2. He's literally just trolling for the hell of it.
3. He's compensating for his own failures as an artist by projecting his frustrations onto others.

I'm choosing to believe it's the first option.
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>>3708331
so is this essentially you just laying down blocks and drawing them from different angles? If so that's a neat exercise that I might actually start doing
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>>3708368
Or 4. He's actually the same person who posted the pic and wants to fish for support.
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>>3708331
That's an interesting strategy. My method is more about reverse engineering other artists' work, and trying to figure out their process.
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>>3708372
I mean there's no way I can prove you wrong, but I - being the original pic poster, am the one who came up with those theories so...

I can't think of a reason why I would just be a dick to myself for support when I'm already taking a positive towards myself in the first place.
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>>3708377
I guess I was wrong then. Just don't listen or get discouraged by him. There's nothing wrong with what you posted. It actually looks better than a lot of what others have posted so that's why it didn't make sense that he was picking on yours.
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>>3708365
you can look though my old blog if you want to see what i studied over the past year and a half of learning to draw

>>3708369
yeah pretty much

>>3708373
yeah the principle is the same, but my execution is different.
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>>3708377
Alternate flow of support because you felt you were underappreciated.
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Is drawing from life actually important? Why can't I draw a tree from a picture?

I've tried to draw little things from my room but it feels no different from drawing from a picture.
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Requesting a critique.
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>>3708384
https://pineapasketchbook.tumblr.com/tags
forgot to link

>>3708388
when you draw in life you have to translate a 3D image to a 2D canvas, so you're forced to think about things in 3D and draw them as such
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>>3708385
Eh, I really just wanted to share my good mood. Being so openly hostile seems... Counter-intuitive.
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>>3708394
Do you bother with construction when drawing from life? Or is that just something you use when drawing from scratch?
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>>3708400
Not the guy you're asking, but for me it depends on the difficulty of the pose, and how confident I am in my understanding of the anatomy.

I'll free-hand it if it's something I've pretty much done before, but when it's a totally wild pose, then you can bet your ass I'm constructing it.
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>>3708392
You should probably think about ironing out that chicken scratch before getting into perspective like that. Then either do Loomis or draw some simple objects from life.
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>>3708400
yes, always. unless i'm doing something like a 30 second gesture or want to test if I'm familiar with a specific object, i always construct. working from big shapes to carve them into small ones seems like the easiest way to get anything done imo.
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First drawing/painting in years, did on computer from memory. Thoughts?
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>>3708394
Damn, even ur starting month is leagues ahead in skill compared to where I am now ...
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im just gonna force myself to do this shit cause the only options i have are either not drawing or making myself draw and hating it until i keep going anyway out of vanity

ignore the upper right hand i have no clue how that came out of my pencil
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>>3708274
k anon thx ye i think having their work up to look as reference it s pretty good
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>>3708212
looks great anon not sure about the third one tho i mean looks good but dunno if the perspective is correct. The last one is great but the right leg is a bit fucked. Dw if nobody comments on your draw usually means it s decent otherwise they would have already told you it sucks and you need loomis and jesus.
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>>3708326
looks rly decent anon work on the eyes tho they need to be fixed
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>>3708337
Keep it up anon. I can recommend you michael-hampton figure drawing. You can find it online and it's pretty good.
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Any tips on folder management for digital haha? Like by dates, wips or unfinished I'm a brainlet sorry.
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So starting out with Loomis and is it okay if all my cartoon circle heads look fucked up and nowhere like his? I just feel down seeing his cool ass shit and seeing my fucked up faces trying to copy his.
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>>3708388
It will make a difference when you are doing more complicated things Anon. Because the world is not static.

I learned this in art class when we had to draw a white statue head using only the sunlight from the window in the afternoon which took 2-3 hours. However the teacher didn't warn us that the sun will move (obviously) so no matter how we tried to draw it the way it looked it didn't work because the sunlight kept inching away and subtly changing how it looked.

Trust me Anon drawing from life is different than drawing fro ma photo, yes it is subtle but you will notice it if you start doing it more.
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>>3708647
You are just starting out Anon, of course your drawings suck compared to Loomis' drawing. That is the point of getting better.
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>>3708394
>dat top left
KEK
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Reuploaing because the size was fucking yuge.

Started today
Had a good fucking giggle
Hope you do too
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Hey guys, what to study first to become beg, and after that what's the order?
I've started Loomis' Fun With a Pencil and alright, it's fun. But he jumps from basic structures to rendered product in a flash and I can't do it because I cant fucking draw eyes or nose or details at all.
The sticky is all over the place, so I need a clearer answer. Basically, am I on the right track with Fun With a Pencil? Should I study Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain or equivalent first?
Btw I mix in lines and circles exercises from Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching course, it helps with Loomis, but then what? Still can't do details.
Please help guys.
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>>3708716
I was doing Fun with Loomis earlier and thought the same, try doing Proko's video Draw a head from any angle and finish the entire series, draw like 20 heads per video because getting down the proportions helped me out a lot. Once you establish the rules in your head continue on with his series because he gets into the finer details that the loomis book does not.

It's also so much better seeing him draw it and explain it than reading it and drawing five circles every page.
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>>3708718
Thanks, I feel like the better explanation is because Proko's Draw a head series kind of follow Drawing the Head and Hands book rather than the Fun with a Pencil one, which makes me wonder if I should have started with Fun with a Pencil.
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>>3708144
Crispy and crunchy rendering anon! That's the shit keep practicing that!

Here is my take on the nose, I admit I couldn't resist trying to add a bit more to it.
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Anons, my friend really wants to make it. Here's something that he drew in about 10 mins... Supposed to be a more realistic, comic style cardcaptor Sakura.

Cringe.

How do I even help this guy out?? I have no words
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>>3708746
Are you sure it is not a parody drawn like this on purpose?
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>>3708752
I'm 90% sure. I don't have any other drawings on hand, but I'll try to find another one
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>>3708746
Here's another. No idea who that guy is supposed to be, however.

I'm not really an art person so I don't know where to start helping him out. I just know that he needs all the help he can get
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how long will it take to make good progress as someone who's been drawing/doodling all their life but only really started making an effort in the past 1-2 years
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>>3708756
This depends on your work ethic and patience.
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I can't do anything right. I wish I had a gun to blow my stupid brains out.
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>>3708787
hahaha
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>>3708788
don't laugh
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>>3708787
Relax anon, you have to practice to get better, you need to make mistakes for you to improve it is the price to pay for getting better. Don't stress on this so bad.
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Imagine if everybody went around saying "OH! BOO!! This isn't working!1 I will never become an (engineer, animator, book writer, starting a business, inventing something)"
We wouldn't have all the ideas, ways of thinking, philosophy, work structure and technology that we have now.

If you want to quit something just because you can't draw, render, paint, animate to a good level, then WHY would you stop it?
Why not keep on going any way?

You only have yourself to blame if you quit doing something.
Instead of quitting, how about doing something simple like CHANGING the way that you have did it before?

"Naw guys, it's no good. It's useless. It's best to stop now and just quit trying to accomplish something."
Read that and tell me how pathetic it sounds, because that's how pathetic every person who says that they are going to quit something sounds to EVERYONE.
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What can I use as an alternative to ps on Linux that isn't a meme? Is ps really a necessary for digital art
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>>3708910
Krita? I find it pretty good.
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>>3708456
Don't be discouraged anon, everyone has a different starting point. It's up to you to make up that difference.
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>>3707917
>I don't know how I can get myself to draw when I want to draw.
if you read the sticky that exists at the top of this thread, you would discover that waiting for the motivation to draw to kick in only holds you back. Its all about discipline. Get up every day and draw for at least one hour.

>>3708301 what you have there is good. maybe shorten neck length a bit

>>3708419
pull some more values
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>>3708910
I use medibang and im satisfied... before that I used either sketchbook (autodesk) or painttoolsai. the only irritating thing is that medibang doesn't come with a large variety of brushes but i mostly rely on the pencil, pen, watercolor, and airbrush tools. I only used sketchbook for a brief amount of time so I can't compare it as much but medibang is better for painting and sai is best for lineart
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/ic/, I think I'm at the objective! Fire all the critique you guys want, I'm willing to learn from it after googling for 5 pages of references
https://my.mixtape.moe/fuvifs.jpeg
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>>3708910
ArtRage.
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>>3709015
It's too stiff. The whole thing seems fine in theory, but the pose ruins the overall feel. And the perspective seems a bit off, that right arm is definitely too small for example.
I suggest googling "line of action" and using it in your further practice. It will help you enhance your posing and will be a good challenge for studying perspective.
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Can you comment on the lighting and anatomy in this? If possible could you redline it to show me what I did wrong? I am unconfident in the one on the right.
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what should I read after fun with a pencil? the rest of Loomis books?
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>>3705079
>>3708200

Thanks anons! My main focus at the moment is observational drawing, so I'm aiming for accuracy right now. I know that learning gesture and anatomy is useful, but I will tackle that hurdle when I concentrate on figure drawing later.
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i need to know to rotate a box to learn anatomy?
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>>3709414
No.
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>>3709551
topmost one has a lot of problems mostly with the face being very flat. Your center line shouldn't go straight down from the hairline, it should conform to the curvature of the face. The gesture on the neck is also incredibly stiff. Your bottom illustrations are much better but still suffer from some of the same flaws of the top one. Cheers and keep at it!
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>>3709569
It's better for there to be a line that shows the centre of the head and if it helps someone feel the form then let them do it.
I used to get so hung up about "not getting these lines correct which was holding me back, so when practising heads I could feel the form of it and that's what matters when drawing anything, feeling the form.
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I wanna quit lads.
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tried to do new body drawing with construction since i didn't like the last post. How is it now?
i didn't do hands or legs and am more worried about chest, neck and other stuff
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>>3709794
pic
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>>3709721
Why? You're coming along fine.
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>>3709797
Do 20 more and then come back to us
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>>3708337
Even more doodles today. Should I just continue doodling and mix it up with gesture work? I honestly don't know how to study properly
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I'm a big baby beginner who needs some big help
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>>3709721
It's soo good mang!
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>>3709962
What do you need big help with? Your question is vague.
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new thread when?
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I'm gonna delete my art folder what's the point in saving anything when it's all bad and I don't learn anything from studying
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>>3710011
Anon your post is pittiful and shallow its only screams "pay attention to me or else I'll..." If you need motivation go and talk to your friends you won't find that kind of thing here.
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>>3710027
>implying I have fr*ends
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>>3710002
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>>3710002
proportion and shading tips and tricks
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god FUCKING DAMNIT. no matter how fucking much i study i just dont FUCKING get it. does this look even remotely decent? the jew nose is on purpose and im not finished
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>>3710039
stop being Anti-Semitic and you'll get better.
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>>3710039
be more Anti-Semitic and you'll get better.
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>>3710040
im not i just wanted to draw a jewess
>>3710045
explain
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why does my painting and rendering suck so bad? is it mostly a mileage thing or is there some theory I'm obviously missing? I'm new to this send help
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>>3710039
The nose faces to the left more than the eyes and most notably the mouth is uneven and the chin pushes out forwards too much while the cheekbone is flat giving the face a flat impression. Also add more light on the face, the highlight spot in the eyeball indicates that the light comes from forwards so feel free to increase the light on the checks nose and forehead.

I don' t have a ref but I tried to illustrate without it and it may have totally change form your original idea.
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>>3710108
I don't see your problem anon what do you think makes it suck so bad? The only thing you can do is increase the mount of midtones in general (but that can be done almost infinitely) and increase the darkness of the tones on the sphere but still it is minor. The torso looks really smooth and soft.
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>>3710117
it took me a long time to get that torso looking kinda right even though it was a study. maybe a better question would be: are there any good books or videos about brush control? currently I feel really clumsy painting.
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>>3710127
try these vids maybe if you haven't seen em yet, these are for beginners tough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o79RWJfmcZw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nt9fa8jZUE

Otherwise brush control only comes with practice, keep practicing, rendering is a tough grind.
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>>3710133
thanks I'll check them out, I really appreciate the input
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>>3708755
Diatance in the nose area is way too long
Either bigify his nose or lower the top third of his head closer to it
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>>3710113
well you dejewed her nose which defeats the purpose. all other fixes were made though plus i noticed a couple other things, like thr upper lip being way too big for my liking. anyways heres what i got now. hoping its just an issue of blending to finish up
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>>3709317
She is quite cute, the standing one is out of balance heavily towards her left unless she is having huge feet and flaw on the ground she would likely fall over. I tried to put the legs a bit wider and pulled the head back to the right to compensate.

Humanoid fantasy races with large tails are difficult to draw because the tail is the continuation of the spine and if the tail is not bending backwards horizontally it would be troublesome for he to walk on two legs. For this reason the hips are usually tilted heavily forwards which pushed the butts out and make the lower curve of the spine very sharp to compensate for standing up straight. You can study this in WoW's draenei females very well for example how different their entire pelvic area is, there are several tutorials on the web on how to draw draenei women's hips (for scientific reasons of course). Check these out.

Finding balance on the body's stature is key importance when creating fantasy creatures.

The other thing is the shadows, judging from the highlights the light seems to be strong and coming from all over a bit chaotically yet the shadows are weak all over the place try to keep the lights and shadows balanced in both intensity and detail you pent much more time on the highlights than on the shadows when in reality the shadows tend to be much more prominent.

I tried to illustrate this a bit on the redraw. But even so still you had adorable results on your own, well done.
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>>3710212
That is way better Anon, decrease the area of the highlights on the lips and put it only it to the left side that will make the mouth less turned towards the camera.

Increase the backside of the skull a but her head seem to be a too flat

Also increase the shading between the eye and the nose area where the eyeball meets with the nose there is a shadow on the top because the bones of the nose and the eyebrow bridge creates a crevice.
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Going through Dodson and tried my first ever portrait drawing. It was scary as fuck and made me want to quit drawing but it was a good learning experience. I realize now I stopped measuring half way through the drawing and the right eye and ear got fucked up. Also I really don't enjoy rendering value in graphite, especially hair. I watched proko's video on how to draw hair but the changing tones in my subject's hair was really overwhelming. Please gibbe critiques
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>>3710256
I realize my biggest mistake was probably misplacing the middle line of the face. It gets me fucked up when I measure and I realize all the features of the face are below the middle line and so I didn't trust my eye and pushed up the brow line.
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>>3710261
It's less the placement and more the angle.
Also, you pushed the left eye too close to the right. Generally speaking in a straight forward shot like this, you want at least enough room for a third eye to fit between the two you actually see.
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How do I find the horizon line and vanishing points in photos/videos where you don't have much background going on to guide you?
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i tried...
add more colors so it doesnt look muddy, didnt do that here...
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I tried using the advice from this video:

https://youtu.be/-Nt9fa8jZUE

As I have some issues with establishing contrasting (even in greyscale).

I decided to take a shot, obviously this is heavily anatomically incorrect.

I used a no opacity, no size jitter brush to try and break from my line drawing habits, but I found myself trying to sneak my way back into drawing lines.

Have I succeeded in employing a full range of values successfully? Does the lighting make some sort of sense?

Any words of advice? Thank you in advance.
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I need advice for pencils. the hardest pencil I have is 2H and it is a bit too dark, I just got a set of pencils that were for sketching.
Should I get harder pencils or just try not to press as hard?

This was my first still life and I decided it would be a good idea to just draw what I had infront of me.
That picture started with an eraser next to the sharpener, now it doesn't have it anymore because I needed it, I felt pretty stupid about it afterwards.

Has anyone else ever made that mistake?
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>>3710358
It is great that you are pushing your comfort zone Anon good job at that. The lighting makes sense personally I would use less white highlight spots. The left part of the face I would have made less bright and more similar to the left part of the skull or the other way around make the skull just as bright as the face but that is just me. Keep it up!
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>>3710241
This is really nice, I can see the relative flatness of my snake. In a newer work I've been trying to achieve the same look you've made, specifically how the black outlines are sort of taken over by the colors, and how one color transitions into another without an ugly black line in between. This is obviously a very basic thing but I have never colored my pieces before the few I posted, so I'm a beginner on that front. Do you make a layer over the linework for the flat skin color, and then add the light and shadows onto that layer? I noticed some lines in your drawing are identical to those in the original with the exception of being a dark shade of green rather than black, meaning that you didn't trace or redraw them but rather painted over them with a slightly opaque brush. Did you use the same brush while recoloring the entire thing?
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>>3710383
>The lighting makes sense personally I would use less white highlight spots. The left part of the face I would have made less bright and more similar to the left part of the skull or the other way around make the skull just as bright as the face but that is just me. Keep it up!


I see, do you suggest this based on some theory or more out of personal taste?

If you have some reading material, that'd be great.

Thank you for the kind words of encouragement.
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Can I get some advice on this shit. Broken anatomy/stiff pose? Haven't started shading cause still figuring out how that works. Also still figuring out what color them nips should be.
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>>3710437
I use fundies of light as the baseline to put down a light source somewhere I know it is a cliche at this point but it all goes back to the basics from Sycras light fundamental tutorial series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q-LZVFZuGE

That is the basic logic, after that, just personal taste and laziness. When dealing with challenging things or I just don't want to complicate things I prefer to have the light source fixed on one side of the face. That makes it easier to find the geography of the face which is my eternal nightmare.

It can also serve kind of a rim light too but that is not realistic and I know it is not realistic but it makes things easier.

Shitty attempt to show it man working with a brush like this is PAINFUL!
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>>3710422
Since with yours I can only use the flattened image you posted with no layers I can only work with a layer above the image.

After linework is done I usually color the larger things under it then put a new layer over it and overpaint it as you said, however this is time consuming process because you literally almost work twice on the same image do it is double the work. With your work obviously I didn't need to do that since you already made it so I had it easy.

I try to keep the lineart loose and thin so that when I overpaint I have less to worry about and only start doing the details on the overpaint to save some workload. You can also try that you create mask layer above your image and add color to your line work that is close to the local colors around it but not the same and not pure black, that makes it easier because the black lines are mighty distracting and can leave ugly dirtmarks while you try to cover them all.

As for brushes I have two brushes one solid and one which has pen pressure on opacity and I color pick a lot, I sometimes use the smudge tool as well for larger surfaces.

I am trying the bush and render method from the video this Anon's post has >>3710358
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I feel like if I keep going at this, I'll end up getting it right one day. What do you guys think?
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>>3710520
I also did this one
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>>3710363
No, but seriously, what pencils do you guys use for sketching?
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>>3710275
In this picture horizon line doesnt matter because perspective is minimized because youre looking at it from far away. but its somewhere armpit or above imo
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I've been practising gesture drawing on Line-Of-Action/Quickposes for the past few months, kinda feel like I'm stagnating. Do I need to grind more or practice fundies since I think I may be symbol drawing, since sometimes I fudge a joint even when I'm looking right at it?

https://imgur.com/a/V68tPMV - 30 sec
https://imgur.com/a/ACBt9Xe - 1 min
https://imgur.com/a/EhmNM8Z - 5 min
https://imgur.com/a/ru7DqgF - 10 min

Galleries of my gesture drawings from the half hour class practice mode on Line-of-Action
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>>3705051
Based and redpilled
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More stylized figures created through the cross referencing of real models with some of Ladowska's work.
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>>3708787
focus on completing the lines on a piece before adding tone.

Try construction, the more you practice the more you can do it mentally without having to do it manually

also try to observe the detail in your reference, you missed out the curves of the nose and the left side of the brow.
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WHY DOES MY CONTRUCTION SUCK SO MUCH DICK? HOW DO I MAKE IT BETTER?
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charcoal from imagination. I'd really appreciate a simple redline on this as I don't know construction and it would be very interesting to see where I make the wrong turns etc.
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I'm having a LOT of trouble with the legs, i can't get them right. This pose is gonna be the last key of a fast animation in which this character stands up, so i chose to keep the body perspective and silhouette clearer, althogh technically wrong given the context.
But the goddamn legs, i just don't know how to make them part of an appealing pose. Every option i go for is just ugly.
Any kind of help is appreciated
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>>3710520
>>3710522
Try drawing extreme low and high angles.
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>>3709888
It's me again, doing doodles once more as well as some poses. What can I do so that my shit doesnt look so flat. Also what can I do to better imagine how the rectangles are meant to be turned for my gestures? It takes me way too long to draw up a simple pose because i can't imagine it
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>>3704318
I’m not trying to become Picasso, boys
Just wanna draw me a FUCKING gf
Also how do people use references without it looking like shit? References just make my stuff even more out of proportion
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>>3710472
Good taste, it's just the point of view that's boring so push your comfort zone on that.
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>>3704800
did u copy this or use reference? I've been drawing since I was a baby basically and I feel like this looks better creatively than anything I've ever done
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>>3710656
Good shit Anon! Never give up!
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>>3710994
Keep doing it anon! For AVOCADO REINDEER!
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>>3710472
The pose is still because she is bored/frustrated sitting by the table with something frustrating in her mind, it is supposed to be stiff that is how someone feels in her situation.
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>>3710850
it's because the head/neck doesn't connect to the torso. the torso also isn't in the same warped perspective as your lines indicate on the ground plane- i'll just do a drawover nvm
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