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IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the Drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Previous Thread >>3795693

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:
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>screenshot the image and post that instead
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>change camera capture settings to something smaller
3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY if you need guidance when you haven't even started

Sticky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

REMEMBER, if you've just started out you work will not be good, it doesn't need to be, just get in to the swing of actually drawing, and learning how to study. Most of all, enjoy it.

"Success is no accident. It is hard work, perseverance, learning, studying, sacrifice and most of all, love of what you are doing or learning to do."
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>>3801847
ref01
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>>3801850
ref 02

carry on gents!
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crits?
i feel like i made her torso too long, also are my lines too thin?
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>>3801888
Avoid distorted perspective.
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>>3801924
yeah should have went with something easier, i really wanted to draw a big butt
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>>3801847
Help me out bros. Tell where Im shit, and also i avoided doing some of the hands, so uh help me.
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>>3801936
Honestly you should always be pushing your comfort zone if you wish to better yourself. Lines on the outline of the ass should be thicker because they are closer and have more volume. Other than that quick fix I would work on improvement with the next piece.
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>>3801888
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Shitting myself as I know this will get ripped to shreds, but I need help with colour theory and watercolour techniques. Something is off with this piece but I’m not sure what, other than the house - I’m a retard that can’t draw things straight with even a ruler. I’m more intermediate than beginner but I’m not sure where else to put this, not sure if anyone will really have constructive feedback since it’s neither anime tits nor concept art
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>>3801967
thank you, you are right it does look better with thicker lines on her butt, i also tried to fix her waist a little bit as some anon from /alt/ thread suggested

>>3801972
that angle is a lot better than mine, you can even see her crotch, thanks for the outline
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>>3801973
I think it is pretty cute Anon, you obviously not trying to be realistic here so it is no problem that it is not super accurate.

For colors if you haven't watched Blender Guru's "Understanding Color" video I suggest you do it is a quick and simple way to explain and show the basics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj1FK8n7WgY
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>>3801982
Thanks for the vote of confidence, anon! Kinda expected it to be called a turd and soulless desu. I’ll check out that artists, thanks
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>>3801991
poor.
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this is my first attempt at making colored drawing, how badly did i screw up?
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>>3801973
it looks like a children's drawing
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>>3802014
Well, it is children’s illustration, most have a certain crudeness to them
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>>3801991
>>3802007
improve your drawing skill first
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>>3802042
Here we go...
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>>3802042
You just swapped their basic anime visual library for your basic anime visual library and added
>creepy shiny nipples
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>>3802042
Anon, how is this even remotely better
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>>3802066
>>3802072
The right arm is fixed, but silhouette is weaker
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So i've been doing some more character practice and I'm figuring out the 'formula' to get this character somewhat consistent and decent looking(aiming for second from top left).

I tried to draw her from the side for the first time and jesus what did I do wrong? I can't put my finer on it but it just looks 'off'. Especially compared to the front and 3/4 views.

Any advice, critique or suggestions?
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>>3800614
>>3800617
can someone answer these?
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Any tips on simplifying animals into shapes (sphere/cube/cylinder)? Doing the Proko figure drawing course and that was suggested but I'm finding it to be a bit difficult.
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>>3802133
I like the one with the dragon, however i think the cow(?) is too small compared to the human
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>>3801972
This is really nice !
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need help with values, especially on the plane changes of the building.

also how do i render nice, textured organic objects like trunks/treetops/foliage without making it look muddy?

also any advice is appreciated
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>>3802042
This is not better desu, also you changed entire pose.
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>>3802042
this is pretty good, ngl. any tips for getting consistent balance between the torso and the hips?
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I tried to push myself and do a pose that wasn't just standing straight and I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing here.

I don't even know what I'm trying to figure out. Is all of this even necessary for a cartoon/comic/whatever character?

I really don't know what I'm doing. Jesus, can someone tell me?
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>>3802143
You should use atmospheric perspective values for one. Things that are closer are more defined and higher contrast, things that are further away are lower contrast and lighter. All values are relative to those around them so you need to consider this instead of thinking only about what the value of each object individually would be.
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Hello all.
I tried looking at manga to study, and focused on perspective more like mr. loomis says.
i dont think its good.
but i feel like i changed maybe a little.

Thank to man post video. I really thought about
>fail quick as possible.
So, i want to try to make one of these a week! maybe 1 year from now, i can be mangaka!
sorry am still bad.
im going to look loomis and other manga more.

>>3802042
this looks amazing!! envious
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Can someone redline this?
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what do you guys think
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I don't know if I should be here but :

I want to learn stop motion / clay animation . How can I do so?
Starting from nothing here. I'm not much an artist.

There's no real place for this kind of stuff on this board
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>>3802207
Hello again Anon good that the video helped you. From your image I would say you could use to learn more about gesture to convey more lively actions on your scene and also composition.

I do not speak Japanese so I don't know what is happening but I tried to change the characters to be more emotional and move moving a bit. I could be misinterpreting what is happening sorry if I am but I hope it helped to give you some idea. A good idea that if you want to draw a character doing something you try to imagine your self into it and do the pose in real life this will give you ideas one what pose for them to do. So stand up and start moving yourself!

2. Composition is extremely important for making comics/manga because you need to draw a lot of separate images for different purposes.

So I suggest you next video to watch this about composition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8i7OKbWmRM

Not sure if your English is good enough to understand but it has good explanations you can use when creating images.

Keep up the good work! Hope to see the next one.
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>>3802066
>>3802072
>>3802151
can you show me why it is not better desu? maybe redline if you can
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>>3802207
fkin kek'd at that japanese, well done
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Is basic perspective drawing by John Montague good
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>>3802486
https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy
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>>3802496
Can't do that sorry
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>>3801847
I'm a little lost on what to focus first
I started one week ago and still don't know if I should focus on draw what I see first(keys to drawing) or I should learn perspective and shapes instead
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>>3802670
Best thing you can do is still life drawing and simple primitve shapes from imagination
also Join the discord
https://discord.gg/7yPEbU
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is it easier to draw things that are grayscale?
as a beginner I feel like it's easier since you can focus on the lines and shape more, without being distracted by color

I could go a step further and turn it into a line drawing, but I feel like that's too far perhaps
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>>3802677
Yes it is easier to draw in greyscale because you only need to look at the values hue and color saturation are not a factor.
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How can I master the hatch and crosshatch? I aim to exclusively use it because I like the effect and want to just be black and white graphite
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how the fuck do I add white highlights onto drawings? like on the edges of this sharpener
I feel like I'd need tipp-ex or something
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>>3802726
A well controlled eraser, assuming you're not working with ink.
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>>3802728
all I have is a shitty rectangle eraser and the ones on the end of pencils, seems impossible with those
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>>3802729
but a $3 kneadable eraser
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>>3802726
behold, the ugliest thing I've ever drawn
I didn't even nail the angle, should have focused on the subject more
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>>3802726
You plan the drawing ahead of time and don't draw/color in that region.

If you can't do that (as unbelievable as that seems to me), then erase it. A kneadable eraser is best, because you can form a fine point. Or, take a big pink eraser, and cut a wedge off that has a sharp point. I bought a box of them a while back, and just cut them to what I need, and keep them and the pieces in a small box.

Colored pencil - same, don't color there, or use a white pencil or a China White pencil (grease pencil, they're wax based and will sit on top.)

Or, buy a bottle of liquid mask, and paint out the areas to keep them pristine.

Mostly it's thinking ahead of time. You should start any drawing sitting down and planning ahead, looking for issues like where to keep the paper clean.
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>>3802752
So try it again, and keep trying it until you do nail it.

Art is never going to be perfect the first time you try, and if you tear yourself and your attempts apart every time, you're never going to learn anything.
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>>3802188
You don't need to model the beasts like that, they don't have any rigid structures to hold 'em unless you're drawing some particularly naff implants.
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>>3802791
Yeah I see what you mean. I more just trying to figure out where to place them. Any tips though for drawing them 'loose' during a sketch and then 'supported' when clothing gets added?

Do you see any other issues? I know that the left leg is a bit long and I've already fixed it up but is there anything else that just sticks out as 'wrong'?

kek, is it not as bad as I think it is?
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This looks stiff, but I don't know how to fix it. Help?
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>>3802790
yeah I plan on trying again, will keep doing so until I get it right
I enjoy seeing what I did wrong and learning from it; next time I know to focus on getting the angle right from the start, and to focus on what's actually there (the hole especially is way off)

>>3802789
appreciate the advice, will definitely get a kneadable eraser, thanks Anon
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>>3802808
Oops. Forgot to add that I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on learning to develop more dynamic posing without forcing yourself to look at references. I’m still going through the Hogarth books.
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I'm going to pay for paint tool SAI because I can't figure out how to get it for free
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So I'm trying to figure out hips and construction.

I did the red one by half laying down basic shapes and half tracing over some animu picture, then I turned off the animu picture and tried to replicate the red image.

Can this help me improve overall and what are some things I should take notice of?

for example, I think I should make the shoulder line shorter and I noticed some fuck ups in the legs
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How long did it take you guys to "get used to" digital?
Any time at all?

I can't even draw a fucking square, not even a cube, a square.
It's hard to make the shapes I want and this is not an issue on paper
Am I retarded?

Unrelated painting
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>>3802885
I'm pretty much in the same boat as you anon, as far as where I'm at with learning figures is concerned.

I can't really give much advice as I'm not 100% myself but some advice I got was that when you're drawing legs, not to draw the 'bone' going straight down from the hips but instead to draw a wonky 7 sort of shape like in pic (excuse the crapy mspaint). This gives you pretty decent control as to how wide you want the legs/hips to be.

Again though I could just be talking out of my ass.
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>>3802915
>>3802885
Forgot to attatch my crappy mspaint attempt so instead I went and cut this right out of Loomis guide.
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>>3802915
>>3802918

I think I know what you mean, you make it a super open 7 so that you can gage how thick the leg should be.

hmmm
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>>3802926
Pretty much man. It seems like it might be easier than doing the hips+boxer short thing that you're doing.

Again though I'm new and an idiot so don't take my word as gospel.
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>>3802932
hmmm, I think doing that helps me visualize the crotch better, but I do see your point in how it helps the legs
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>>3802937
All I can say man is to try them both, maybe combine the methods, and just see what you like better.
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>>3801972
why is one leg much smaller than the other?
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is there a way to fix this?
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>>3802901
all my lines are fucking squiggly
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>>3802901
>How long did it take you guys to "get used to" digital?
>Any time at all?

A solid month of full-time digital painting before it was comparable to pencils. That's about 240 hours. I had prior experience with the software though.
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>>3802964
Good to know it's not an issue solely with me
Gonna try and do some of those line exercises and draw cubes until the lines go where I want them to
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>>3802957
draw it over, and over and over. then when you get sick of it, take a day off and come back at a later date.
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>>3802973
I'll take that as a "no"
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I’ve lately been farting around with oil pastels, after two days I sense I’m heading towards a plateau. What techniques should I use to make my work less speckled with the paper underneath, so that the colors can combine more seamlessly?
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>>3803026
Day 2
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>>3803026
Block everything in. Take the midtone of the background and put it in there. Same with the fruit. Leave the lightest areas alone and put your light tone in those. Fill it in all the way. With pastels it helps to get a chamois and rub the color in to the paper a little just be gentle because you don't want to tear up the teeth of the paper
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>>3803026
It's less technique, and more looking at the surface you're working on. Pastels don't have to be on paper - for archival purposes it's the worst choice, as the oil in oil pastels doesn't totally dry, ever, so it gets into the paper and rots it. I've heard conversations on this many times over the years.

Couple of things to try -

Thicker, less rough papers - you can use anything, like 300lb watercolor papers, thicker art papers. "Pastel" paper is always rough textured, to allow for more layering techniques, but for the kind of painting you're doing on, it fights you.

Adding gesso to the paper. They have gessoes formulated for pastels, you can tint it, too.

Or, just use them on gessoed canvas, or boards. I've heard regular gesso can work fine, but I'd try the stuff made for the purpose. I knew someone who did oil pastels on gessoed masonite, she'd do textures in the gesso to create effects, like raking a comb across it to make ridges. She seemed pretty happy with it. She build up heavy colors like you are.
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Is it fair to use filters? Doodled this on my way home so it's really bare bones but this rainbow thingy kinda makes it look interesting. Many of my drawings actually improve with filters but it feels like cheating my public
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>>3802307
Claymation? Just do it. Go watch documentaries on the guys who do it, like Aardman. Go back to the source, with Ray Harryhausen. All you need is a camera, and some clay. There's all kinds of software that puts it all together for you.

At the Children's Creativity Museum in SF, they have a big room with huge piles of Sculpty, and stations with webcams that let kids make movies, it's that easy. Just get some Sculpty and a camera, and start experimenting.
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>>3802720
Practice. There are no shortcuts. Study classic engraving, especially artists like Dore and Durer, and try to emulate what they were doing. Work on your line technique, and using variable widths, and use crosshatching to create value. Practice by filling simple shapes with lines to create values that are close to grey values, like try to figure out how to do 10%, 20%, 30%, etc.

There are no "rules' to it, work out works best for you. Practice using lines and their angles to convey volume, shape and depth. It's pretty challenging, so be prepared to put many years into mastering it - the greats like Dore and Durer did.
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>>3802901
It took me a while, going from traditional to using a tablet - the disconnect from looking at the pencil/brush point to looking at a screen instead of my hand was pretty hard to overcome, but I just kept at it. I also switched to using the pen for everything, instead of the mouse, to get used to it. (Now I use both - scrollwheels, yo)
Switching to a display was easy, in comparison, when I got my 24HD cintiq I was up and running immediately.
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>>3803075
>cheating my public
Stop worrying about "your public", and focus on creating art.

If you develop your skills, you won't need filters, you can create an effect like that yourself.
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>>3802316
>>3802076
It’s virtually the same and the only thing you worked on was the tits, even then you hung them off her neck just about and the right arm isn’t fixed its made worse. How would that even happen with a rib cage? Protip: it wouldn’t.
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>>3803157
i believe the "improve your drawing skills first" quip was in reply to the other poster he tagged
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>>3802800 (You)
>>3802188 (You)
So I cleaned this up a bit, fixed the length of the left leg (I thought it 'felt'(?) too long) and started marking where clothing would go.

At this point I realized there was something wrong with her hips, where the legs connect and just the crotch area in general.

Can anyone tell me what I've done wrong so I can either fix it or be mindful of it in the future?
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Was trying to go for a moody and anxious feel with this piece, but a lot of the purpled clashed in the end and didn’t convey the mood as well as I hoped - would the piece have worked out better if I neautralised the purples?
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well im content with how this looks
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Anyone willing to help me improve the feet here? I dunno what else to do to improve them.
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>>3803496
And the hand too if that's okay.
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Reading perspective made easy
How would I go about finding how big/small i'd draw the 2 figures marked by the 2 x's?
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>>3803624
The bottom one should be around as big as the second figure from the right as it is on the same ground level just a little more to the left. It would be big enough to cover most of the central figure.

The top one figure size depends on where you want to put it as it is not standing on the ground or any other objects and so we can't say how far it is before it is drawn.
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I'm following loomis method of construction for the head. Does anyone have a recommendation for a better breakdown of how to draw its features like the nose, and mouth? Anything for how the muscles work to shift its expressions. Anything really i'm at a loss here
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>>3803312
Finished it.

Not happy with it but I was able to figure out the things I think I did wrong.

>Neck too long
>The more I look at the head the more off centre it looks on the neck
>She wasn't meant to look exhausted but not weary
>She looks grumpy instead (I think)
>Fucked up leg and pelvis placement
>Especially on the left leg
>She's meant to be bottom heavy so it might not be as bad as I think, conversely it could be worse
>Arms are wonky and I need to work on my hands still
>Not sure if the legs look right
>Really need to figure out how to draw that hairstyle at different angles

I'm happy with her overall design but if you guys could confirm where I've fucked up on a technical level that would be great. The more I get wrong now the less I'll hopefully get wrong later with a little guidance.
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>>3803624
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>>3803770
Learn Perspective
Learn Figure Drawing

Throw this in the drawer and forget it exists .
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>>3801847
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>>3802957

just fix the nipples before i puke
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>>3803770
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>>3803829
Are you trying to draw a human anon?
[spoiler]I'm not being funny I'm geniunely confused.[/spoiler]
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>>3803624
>>3803788
I think this second one only applies if they are all standing in an open field or something, for the ones in the air

Also the closer the feet are to the horizon line the smaller the figure.
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Any? tips for drawing legs.

I'm having a lot of trouble with them
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Any tips on coloring/ making the lineart looking more appealing? Pretty frustrated because I'm not making any progress with my stuff, spent a lot of time on this bs
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>>3803857
use ref
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>>3803862
use line weight
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Macbeths.
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>>3803866
Already trying to do so, but the only way I can draw straight lines is by dragging my pen across the tablet really fast, if I try to take the time and vary pen pressure my lines are getting really squiggly. Do you know in which regions I have to increase the line thickness?
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>>3803862
Don't draw anime, draw realism and develop an actual style from it.
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>>3803862
I'm a noob like you but I've noticed three things
1) your face is a potato
you're probably copying someone else without thinking about actual positioning of individual parts
2) you sprinkle highlights everywhere without care
3)you are afraid of shadows
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>>3803889
>draw realism
Sorry if I'm nitpicking here, but I just don't enjoy drawing realistic. Also I don't like that realistic/ slightly stylized style many artists have, if you were talking about that kind of stuff

>>3803909
>you're probably copying
I'm not, but I'm really insecure about placement, you're right with that one
2) & 3) are general issues of mine. Do you know any tutorials that explain how to do stylized shading and highlighting?
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>>3803917
>Also I don't like that realistic/ slightly stylized style many artists have
Every good artist, no matter their style, will have studied realism. You can't stylise a human form without having a fundamental understanding of it, otherwise you end up with a bland generic mess.
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>>3803917
>>3803923
I will just chime in and say that you don't need to go to a fucking university or anything
even looking in the mirror every once in a while would help, but there are materials that set you in the right direction
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>>3803923
>>3803927
Well, you're probably right, thanks a lot! Atm I'm more concerned about my shading than my anatomy, but I gotta work on it at some point I guess
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>>3803929
>I'm more concerned about my shading than my anatomy
gonna say that your bodies might be nothing to write home about but you are definitely putting things generally where they belong and don't bend them in all kinds of amazing directions
you could already take that as a praise
your heads need work though
don't be afraid of realistic anatomy
it's much easier to switch from that to stylized look than just shooting blind with no understanding of what's supposed to go where
if you know your shit you might have noticed that hottest anime chicks have 90% realistic faces, eyes just a tad bigger than the real ones, defined lips, noses and everything
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>>3803862
It is not bad Anon make sure you keep the main light's coming from you can put lot of highlights spot everywhere but do keep in mind the direction they should be facing towards on teh body's geography. This also helps you find your shadows. I m not good with cell shading I just tried to make it like I would change the lighting to make it more uniform if we have 1 main light sources but you can have more.

Hope this helped.
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>>3803935
Yeah, I'll definitely look into anatomy when I have the time, thanks!
The drawing style you mentioned (realistic faces) is something I try to avoid though, but I guess practicing with that won't hurt
>>3803944
Thanks! Yeah, you got the idea of my lightsource correctly, glad it's somewhat noticeable. I'll definitely change the highlights, not only the position (as you suggested) but also how they look. Perhaps small bright spots surrounded by airbrush gradients?
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>>3803935
Not him but I have no interest in drawing super realistic humans. Just realistic everything else. Are there resources for people who only want to draw stylized humans /cartoon humans? I have no interest in anime.

I just don't really care too much about achieving that detail in humans. I more care about very realistic flora & fauna and buildings/architecture

Sorry if I'm typing weird my brain is fried from doing Bargue all day without eating
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>>3803862
I'm a guy with terminal blank canvas autism so I'm piggybacking off this dude's drawing
I haven't finished anything in years
I used to draw things filled with joy and now I have to physically fight myself to do anything and it's like I completely lost my imagination...
what the fuck is this state of mind?
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>>3802790
version 2, looks much better this time around, made sure to focus on the basic shape before adding in details
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>>3803983
you still kinda broke it
are you sure you aren't going to try going from actual basic shapes?
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Anyone can help me on the background ( the streets outside the window ) here to make it more appealing and consistent with the room
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>>3803973
>physically fight myself
That's the problem, you can't force your brain to think creatively, at least I cant. Even if that means to take humongous breaks, it really helps to only draw when you're really motivated.
Also, I don't know what you've done to my drawing, but I like it, kek
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>>3803985
yeah just realized how it's still fucked, still can't get the angle right, front face is too long, razor cuts off too soon
what basic shapes should I try to do? I figured a sharpener wouldn't be too difficult since it's just a rectangle
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>>3803994
>what basic shapes should I try to do?
not really a master in English, but I think a plain cuboid should do just fine here
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>>3803991
>Also, I don't know what you've done to my drawing
Not really trying to "fix" it, just trying to find myself
I'm not particularly good at this either, I just catch a few things that bug me personally here and there and attempt to do my version of them.
I think you're pretty alright body-wise
probably couldn't draw that pose on my own, really.
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>finish sketch stage of an image
>line-art time
>spend minutes redrawing every line until its just right
>process ends up taking days
Is this just a muscle memory thing or what? I want clean lines but by god this just isnt practical. Using Krita btw
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>>3804003
I see, but I gotta say, the shading is pretty good, I'll take your Version into account when fixing this.
>couldn't draw that pose on my own
Yeah, took me quite some practice, I try to go way out of my comfort zone when thinking of poses. Results in mostly shitty stuff, but I learn a lot from it
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>>3802099
Your linework is pretty clean so i'll give you that, but i'd suggest learning the loomis head method, I know its a bit of a meme but its a really good way of drawing the human face, also i'd suggest using more reference lines, like one going straight through the eyes, almost like an arrow because your eyes are miss aligned. Most importantly just keep studying the human face from REAL life models, and within time your art style will improve.
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>>3804012
Takes ages for me as well, but I'm using vectors (CSP), this allows me to correct my lines faster than to do infinite stroke/ctrl-z loops
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>>3803973
Might you be suffering from depression or anxiety Anon?
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>>3804024
If I have any of those things, then they are pretty stealthy.
I'm generally OK with my life, besides the fact that it feels like my own body is figthing against me in my quest to do something I would really like to do....
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>>3804014
I suppose experimentation can't hurt?
I did something wild to her thigh and I now I'm fighting the urge to fap to it...
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Is smoothing bad to use for someone who is still learning? I mean a tiny amount.
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>>3804047
Whatever get's you going :D
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>>3804053
man I haven't draw this much in aeons
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Quick little snek. Been playing with colored pencils on old cardboard a lot lately. (This is the back of a cracker box)
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>>3803857
I changed some stuff around and did a few new lines. You should get an anatomy book and study the main proportions of the body and check how the hip bone works, and the muscles of the arms and the legs
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>>3804038
Then could it be that your priorities are entangled too much? You don't have a focus or goal to strive for because everything seems too important? You say you have to fight yourself to do anything.

You say our lost your imagination, could you describe this more?
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>>3804063
Thanks... I see you did the face a bit younger.... But I agree I'm strugling with limbs ATM. gotta practice those

Thanks for the citique!
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>>3804066
>You say our lost your imagination, could you describe this more?
I think I misused the terms here.
I still have imagination, but I've lost visualization.
I can imagine marvelous things I would put on paper/screen, but I don't seem to be able to actually give them heads and tails in my head.
The result is that I will spend 10 hours drawing something a pro would most likely cough up in 15 minutes AND then find billion things wrong with it, entrenching this feeling of utter inadequacy even more...
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>>3804070
No problem. I recommend Anatomy for Sculptors by Zarins, it's got lots of anatomy pictures and diagrams so if you study that book from beginning to end and also use it for your characters you'll learn anatomy fast.
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>>3804012
Try turning up the stabilizer level a bit
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I might be improving with my imagination drawings, turns out doing gesture pays off I can feel these are more organic than before. Except for that extended leg on the slim guy, it's awkward because I didn't plan it.
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>>3803990
Where would the horizon be?
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you guyse ever tried automatic?
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>>3803050
>>3803074
Ty so much senpais
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Added witches.
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i'm from /lit/ and it's my first time here
how do i learn to draw?
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>>3804096
by drawing
crazy, I know
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>>3804072
I think that is understandable. I would say you need to focus on settling a few things with your self Anon. I think your are focusing too much on the result of your thing and their worth in your eyes when thinking of others. I would suggest that you try to look at things in a broader perspective instead of focusing on getting the desired results now try to focus on the long terms of your. What art you produce now is still just one art, it is one step in the journey towards somewhere, so one art good or bad doesn't really hold as much weight as your current give to it. I know I know it is always the current one that is most important, but this will also pass. Try to just get into teh habit of just putting out more art for the sake putting it out instead of focusing on the quality of it and bringing out your absolute maximum and making a masterpiece.

Next is inadequacy and and thinking about "a pro could do this way better in 10 seconds." I get it and that may be the case but that shouldn't stop you from doing it, just because there is someone that can do it better that doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it. Besides everything that we do today will be done better in the future, that is how it has always been since the dawn of history but alas here we are. What you need to realize is that, yes others may be able to do it better but they WON'T because they are them and you are you. They go t their own things they want and you got our own things, both should be done. If you are not doing it then everyone looses out. Remember yourself based on the art you just did is not the sum total of your worth, it is not you, judging yourself based on it is foolish because it equivalent of judging a book by its first page. It is just one setp in the process of a journey a long journey you do for yourself.

As for findnig a billion things wrong with it, that is good and you should, you are learning right now you are supposed to make the mistakes to learn from them.
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>>3804093
Arms don't bend like that, unless that's your intent.
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>>3804104
Yeah, I was trying to convey some stress/madness, might I was afraid it might just look like a busted arm.
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Thanks for recommending Figure drawing from Steve Huston, great book
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>>3804120
Hbng THICC
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>>3804102
You are too kind.
I'm almost 30, you know.
The pressure is real.
I'm gonna try automatic. Sounds like something that would work for me...
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>>3803791
Won't lie, I haven't looked too much into perspective but I am currently working through 'Fun with a pencil' with dips into 'head and hands' and 'figure draw'.

Still leaning, obviously, but also improving. Just wanted to know where I went wrong.

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>>3803837
Not sure what this guys trying to do. Show me how bad I fucked the perspectives and anatomy?
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>>3804083
Some more poses though I got a bit greedy trying to do foreshortening
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>>3804134
center looks alright
right looks slightly fucked
left looks utterly fucked tho
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>>3804127
If it helps I am way past 30 okay? The pressure is indeed real but pressure itself never solved anything.

Check the vid about Las who spent 13 years of his life a doing one single comic book and the lessons he learned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BzCDVR-tr8
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>>3804100
is this any good though?
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Does anyone know where to find a list of average measurements? What I mean are things like the average height, width and depth of a house, the size of a single bed, a door etc.
I was watching an old modeling video where the guy mentions he has the correct dimensions due to having gotten the measurements for a building "from a book" and scaling them accordingly. He's unspecific in which book, or whether or not it's just a book that had the measurements for that one specific building, which was probably the case. Either way, if anyone knows what I mean or where I can find them, would you mind pointing me towards them.
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>>3804147
>I was watching an old modeling video where the guy mentions he has the correct dimensions due to having gotten the measurements for a building "from a book" and scaling them accordingly
pretty fucking sure double beds are arouns 150cm wide and door frames are almost universally around 2 meters tall and room/house sizes differ way too much to give a conclusive answer
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>>3804145
it's a good idea
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>>3804137
it would be a valuable lesson if the guy didn't waste years on shit you can do in seconds if you go digital, which kind of cheapens his message
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>>3804147
There's no one book like that I'm aware of. You can just google "standard door size" and get an answer pretty easily. There may be architectural reference books that have standard sizes for building elements, but that won't include beds. Beds have standard sizes, like "single", "queen", etc. You're just going to have to google specific things and compile your own reference. Also keep in mind that "standard" can mean different things in different contexts and locations - a standard window size in Europe is probably different than a US window. And even then, most things come in any size the manufacturer wants to make it.
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>>3804154
But the basic lesson is still the same
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Trying to get used to a drawing tablet, not that I has much experience in art anyway.
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>>3804157
no arguments there
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>>3804158
it's weird isn't it?
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>>3803312
First, what is the intent here? An old woman?

Second, the crotch is 4 times bigger than it needs to be. Pictures of fat naked women are not hard to find. You're just filling up the space between her legs with clay, and not trying to determine how the flesh is laying over each limb.

The arms feel a bit too short.
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>>3804162
That disconnect between my hand and the monitor is definitely gonna take some getting used to.
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>>3804169
You will find it extremely liberating in a wihle
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>>3804169
For starters I'd suggest just scribbling random lines, maybe loosely sketching a simple landscape and some basic shapes until your brain gets used to it. It's really important your tablet is perfectly centered in front of your screen and parallel to it
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So, I just stared reading Fun With a Pencil by Loomis and drawing a lot while reading it, and I understand what makes it important, but I feel like im almost forced to draw in his goofy art style. Has this been a problem for anybody here? Should I just be appropriating the ideas of the book but drawing in the style that I want? Is it even applicable to all styles?
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>>3803762
Drawing from actual faces, combined with what Loomis is trying to impart - to look at a head and try to visualize volume and features. Look at people you know, get a mirror and use your own face, and try to incorporate the construction methods into trying to capture a likeness or expression.

A lot of art is synthesis - combining all of the parts into a whole. That's one of the things that's poorly taught or entirely missing here, because so many have never taken an actual drawing class, with a teacher who walks them through it, and most books focus on one aspect only.

You're at a loss because you're expecting a book to do the work for you. You have a pencil, and some paper, and a world full of heads. Draw them. Take the lessons of Loomis and learn to break them down, and recreate them on paper. Expand upon it. Make mistakes and learn to correct them.

The process is the key here. Putting pencil to paper will help you more than expecting books to walk you through every step. Art is VISUAL. Being an artist is looking at the world, and recreating it on paper or canvas or a computer screen. Being an artist is learning how the face works, by looking at faces, and using the construction method to figure out how to recreate it, and building a visual library in your head for how to handle things like expressions.
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>>3803990
Don't use grey. Grey is not a very appealing color.
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>>3804172
>Remember that this book quickly touches on the basics; try to have fun with it. Don't be put off by the cartoons in the first chapter, they are a tool to teach you construction.
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>>3803990
This:
>>3804084
Look at your table. The left edge suggests where your vanishing point is - the point all edges face to if you were to extent them. The left side of your street increases completely differently than the right side, this makes the street look warped.
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>>3804178
this. brainlets who complain before even bothering to try it are never going to make it
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>>3804102
Good points. Too many people here are focused on "perfect" and have very bizarre beliefs about art, and "pros". What they don't know is that 90% of any artist's output in the beginning isn't worth showing anyone, and the goal is to focus on the getting more of the 10% work that is, by practicing and experimenting and diving into the process and enjoying it, not making endless posts of depression and self loathing and other emotional issues, because they can't create 'perfection" after a year of study (I use that term loosely).

It's all too much cart before the horse. Like threads agonizing about choosing their artist's name. That's so far down the list of priorities for an aspiring artist it's not even worth talking about - become an artist, then worry about that.

Art education is a journey. It requires patience, and time, and dedication - and churning out stacks of failures, to get to the successes. Anyone who tells you different is selling you art tutorial snake oil. If it were easy, everyone would be doing it. Not everyone can - are you one of them? No way to tell, unless you try. You can't cheat it, can't grind it out, or force it. There are no guarantees.

And, focus less on the "billion things wrong", and try to find the things that went right, and build off that. That's what a teacher would do. (Which is almost impossible here, since "critique" is almost always "you suck" and "NGMI") (This place is more about ego and autism than it is about art. Have a problem with that? You're who I'm talking about.)
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>>3804120
if you can try the NMA Steve huston figure
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>>3804091
Not a problem - you're creating some good work, keep going. Learning about materials is the part of formal art education that's very lacking here, which is why I love threads like this.
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>>3804164
Youngish woman, 6-7 feet tall, bottom heavy physique.

Yeah I didn't realise how fucked up that whole area, starting at the bone structure. First time drawing a post like this so it was a learning experience. Any advice on how I might be able to avoid it in future?

When I was putting down the frame and blocking it out I didn't notice anything wrong until later. Am I just an idiot or what?

Like I said still learning but I was able to identify a mistake so hopefully I can be more mindful of it and not repeat it.
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>>3804169
Pretty common experience - I started using a tablet after years and years of working with brushes and pencils. You'll get there.
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with Keys to Drawing exercises, how do I know whether I've done well or not?
since I'm a beginner it's hard to tell just how bad it is; when do I move on from an exercise exactly? the author just says do it and nothing more
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>>3803961
Stop posting
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>>3804187
No, you're not an idiot, you're a student. Nobody goes into something like this knowing everything already. You made mistakes? Welcome to the club, I made PLENTY starting out, still do, will continue to until I stop trying. That's the same for almost every artist, ever. Cut yourself some slack. You did enough right, and you learned something, move onwards and upwards.

Always remember - your mistakes are not the only thing that defines you. The goal is to develop skills so your successes outweigh the failures.

You're doing fine. This is one drawing of many, don't get hung up on it.
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>>3804198
Thanks for the encouragement man. I didn't mean to come off as self negative as I did. Like you said, it will be one among many and I learnt something. Not going to stop so I know I'll get better.

Again, thanks.
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>>3804191
Show your work. Don't work in a vacuum. Post something here - expect the usual shitposting, ignore it, listen to what the reasonable people say. Show your work to people who know what to look for. That's what you'd have in a classroom setting - feedback.

When to move on? Do you feel confident that you've mastered what they're trying to teach you? Treat it like any other subject - if this was a class, and they asked you to create an example that shows you learned the lesson, how would you do? Could you teach it to someone else? And, since you don't have a teacher - show it to someone who can look at it critically and give you some feedback.

Confidence will come with time, and experience.
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>>3804205
makes sense, never thought of the teaching angle
thanks Anon
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I guess this is the point where I can't go on, on my own...
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i only want to draw cute things, how do i accomplish that goal?
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>>3804348
Post your work and I will tell you.
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>>3804079
>Sculpt
I will thanks!
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>>3804356
I just did, that’s my drawing
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Any opinions on this blue line? Planning on inking while adding either grey scale or color.
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>>3804383
Here's the ref.
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>>3804213
Art education is shit on a lot here, but it's usually from people who have never experienced it. It has actual, real value, which is why I harp on it, and try to show how it actually happens.

Your comments are valid - and your lack of the things you need are real, so keep that in mind when you feel like you're hitting a roadblock or can't figure out the next step - and ASK. Some of us will try to help.
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Pretty new to /ig/, I'm aware my art is mediocre, but that's why I'm here. If you feel the need to be harsh with your criticism feel free to do so, I have big shoulders and won't take it personally.
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>>3804385
That looks a lot like a EU based musician Shaheena Dax, I wonder if it's her?
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>>3804395
Perspective is bad. Go learn perspective.
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>>3804401
Good point, thanks!
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>>3804396
Can't really say, I got the image off of google while looking for references to draw.
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this is what it looks like when you're trying to shake of years of rust and get back on the horse
felt good to be back on it though
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>>3804430
It'll take a while but then you'll start getting back into the feel of things. I stopped drawing for about 4 years and it took me a week or two of drawing to get back into the drawing mindset. You'll also notice when your old bad drawing habits start to show up.
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Which one is better, left or right?
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>>3804443
Right.
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>>3804435
thanks, i will hopefully post some actual art by the end of the month maybe you can rip me a new one with critique then
>>3804443
on the left one the left breast is better, on the right one the right breast is better, thats pretty funny
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Here's some stuff i shit out with ink. Its my first time inking. Keep developing or go back to pencil and charcoal?
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>>3804472
What type of pen are you using?
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>>3801847
This one is the best so far, lost the ref.
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>>3804473
pocket brush pen and a 0.3 fineliner. Why do you ask?
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>>3804478
To get a better idea of what advice I can give you. Play around with the pressure of the brush pen, you can get good variation of line weight with it. Draw dots, thin lies, thick lines, dashes, curves, ect. just to get an idea of what lines you can use. Your pic has the same thick line work around it which flattens the image.

Practice your hatching with the fine liner, get clean lines that helps convey the shape and shadow rather darkening the areas. Keep at it, the more tools you have the better.
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>>3802828
go to piratebay ;)
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>>3804476
Unironically Loomis heads.

Eyes, nose and mouth all off by miles.
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>>3804472
Light weight variance is the most imporant thing with ink.
If you make all your outlines the same weight, it starts to look really boring.

Also where are all the shadows? Can't see any primary light source.

Also also, use a reference next time. That top horn makes no sense, you shouldn't be able to see where is spouts from if the skull's angle is anything to go by.
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>>3804184
I just started that!
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>>3804123
Do you think Steve fucked a lot of models he drew?
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>>3804580
Definitely, he isn't even using their names anymore. Your pic just says 'redhead'
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>>3804477
I call it Bum with James Jean Dots #3, Digital on Digital 2019 year of our lord.

Need to sketch more, the hand looks no.
Edit: fixed some shit
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One hour study to train my eye for COLOR using one textured brush with no opacity.
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>>3804646
Here's ref
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>>3804395
Some of the straps lack thickness, just like the roof on the back. Like the other anon said, perspective is wrong.
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>>3804383
Boobs are not aligned. You lost her gesture, especially the curve of the ribcage puffing out. Left foot perspective is wrong. The eyes are too big.
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>>3804646
By no means a color expert, but it's always helpful to know which "temperature" the light has. In your ref the light is pretty warm (orange/ yellow tones) which results in cooler shadows (blue/ purple tones). Try to mimic this behavior of your light and shadows. Shadows always have a color, they aren't just a darker version of the base color.
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>>3804657
Not to shit on your critique, but is the light that warm? I picked such a hi-key pic that I see a lot of grays, pinks and purples.
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>>3804669
Yeah you're right, I think I was fooled by her hair's color (since the light brown makes it look like warm light)
Still, I hope you get what I mean, the warm light/ cold shadow thing translates into cold light/ warm shadows. Look for some tutorials on YouTube, there are painters who explain this perfectly well
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sketching in photoshop was a mistake
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>>3804678
no you just suck in general, i can sketch on there just fine.
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>>3804674
I get it. I can see some warm on some shadows of her neck. Thanks, dude.
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>>3804649
I appreciate the criticism Anon, thank you!
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Being bad at stuff sucks. Why do I even bother?
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>>3804765
So you can stop sucking.
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I just made a discord server for absolute beginners with no discipline, motivation or art friends where I'll organize "lessons". Feel free to join: https://discord.gg/FBJJzJe

It's for people who are depressed and need a bit of a push forward, or the presence of a kind community, to begin drawing everyday and thus start enjoying the process.

Note: this is for real absolute beginners; we'll start from zero with some of the classic fundie books.
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>>3804799
i'd join but i have a furfag avatar so i dont feel like getting banned
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>>3804803
Is the avatar NSFW? If it is not, I don't see the problem. Besides, I meant it when I said the server is new; there is literally no one here yet. I think 5 people (me included) should be enough to start the thing, so don't worry about there being lots of people and scrutiny.
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>>3804808
No because I don't get nsfw art of her.
I just want to learn to draw because i want to stop spending excessive amounts of money on my ocs
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>>3804813
Don't be shy then, come in.
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>>3804820
Her head looks like an egg, also i think her neck is too wide
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>>3802957
Do you like thick nipples or something?
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>>3801847
First day learning loomis heads
How do i make this guy not look like a rapist?
How do I fix his eyes and mouth?
Ignore his botched left shoulder.
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About to become NEET after a year of working 12 hours a day

Is there any program or online course or anything I could follow to use most my free time on to get gud at drawing?

I'll have a lot of spare time and drawing is something I've wanted to improve in, but drawing aimlessly for hours will make me lose interest or become frustrated
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>>3804991
Manga Studio, unironically
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>>3804991
i would suggest finding artists you like and want to draw like, then copying what they draw for hours on end
eventually they'll imprint on you
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>>3804924
the neck seems to be at a wierd angle, if you don't want him to look less wierd draw it at less of an angle.
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>>3805066
He looks humped?
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For anyone who has a routine, what does it consist of? I'm currently just starting out, and I'm trying to do at least 30 minutes of construction after looking at Loomis and 30 minutes of line sketching a day, since I'll only have about an hour or so to practice with.
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I bought a Yoga 730 and it does not have tilt support.

Is tilt needed? It seems like it might be useful for shading but that's about it
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>>3805194
Very few tablets actually have tilt support. It's all just a matter of knowing your brushes. I'm really bad with shading, but practice is key. This board is really helpful to get critique on your stuff if needed!
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i should really move on but i don't know how so i just keep grinding figures
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>>3805194
You can only use it in supported programs with a few brushes. It's fun to play with but by no means necessary.
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>>3805281

have you tried more intricate construction yet?
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>>3805139
Wake up whenever, draw some shit. Smoke and drink a bunch of coffee. Shitpost on ic
Start drawing again, normally study. Get obsessed. Take break. Rinse and repeat for most of the day and night.
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aight /ic/ i'm lost
tell me where the fuck to start with this shit
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>>3805316
New masters academy or follow along on the dynamic sketching thread
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>>3805316
first pick a light source direction and use that to add the shadows
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>>3805316
Should just cel shade everything to make it easier for you. Then start blending.
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Any trick to draw soft cute girls'faces like Sakimichan? As much as I hate her, I wanna draw that but copying her yields no results. I'm trying to construct those heads and I feel like I know nothing. I swear I'm not this bad doing guys but here I have to keep it cute and I can't
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>>3803428
atmospheric perspective is off, objects should get lighter and contrast less both within the whole and in isolation as they are placed further away :)
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>>3805381
You should support her on patreon, watch all her youtube videos and also study from life.
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>>3801847
Im so fucking tired bros. I thought I'd graduated this place but I didn't. My fundies are still sub standard, I can't feel the forms, and half of what I put down is pure guesswork and 'i guess that looks right'. My knowledge of anatomy goes as far as 'the pelvis is somewhere in the lower half of the torso'. Most of my sketches I have to redo because theyre too stiff, and even a sketch takes me longer than it should to draw.
I can't keep lying to myself that I'm ready to post shit on my blog and that I'm above mediocrity. I'm gonna come back and stay here for a little while longer
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>>3805400
Pyw
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>>3805407
Try to guess the order in which I made these. Protip: you fucking can't because I either progress laterally or not at all. Knowledge that I gain in the past is not retained due to my cro magnon brain and goldfish memory
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>>3805426
How are you able to nail cute faces so well? The hawk girl is especially cute. You should draw more content so as to evolve your style into more consistency. I want to see more.
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I need critique on my gesture training. I already lookd for tutorials but one thi g is just watching videos and other is asking an actual person how does it looks and reciving feedback. For Male figures n refs I usually look up to:
Proko. ZHC. The Box Office Artist. Jazza.
For random stuff: Vexx
Por Porn: Nimbus One.
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>>3801847
Practicing anatomy. How'd I do?
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>>3804885
Oh thanks I appreciate it
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>>3802305
The space between the index and middle finger is a little too high-up.
Other than that, bretty gud. I like what you've done with the shading
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>>3803183
Then he should have replied to them in different posts.
And either way, "improve your drawing skill first" is just an incredibly rude and needlessly cruel put-down to somebody who's looking for help and genuinely trying to improve
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>>3804443
Neither. You're not getting the actual structure of the body. Pay attention to the hips, waist, and ribcage. Your drawings look like she's just a tube of flesh in those regions.

Mostly, this is not a good beginner pose, as the pose is too extreme and too much of her shoulder is obscured. Look for easier poses while learning, you're putting issues into the drawing you're not skilled enough to deal with yet.
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>>3804646
You missed all of the cool hues in her face and neck. Look closer. This is a bad image to learn from, anyway, it's more about photography aesthetics than art.
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>>3804765
With that attitude, don't. Find another hobby.

Now, if you want to TRY, get it into your head that this is actual work. Most artists struggle in the beginning. If that's too much for you, then art is probably not for you.
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>>3804924
Learn how the skull, spine, and neck is structured. You have the face so far forward from the skull it looks like a mask, and the skull sitting far too forward from where it actually sits.

LOOK at people. Look at them from many angles. Look at how the neck, spine, and shoulders are build. This is why we study anatomy, to see the underlying structure, so we can draw skin that drapes and covers the structure.

Art is visual. Use your eyes.
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>>3805381
There are no tricks, it's about learning to draw. Start at the beginning, like everyone else. If you want to draw like here, you have to learn how.
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>>3805548
I have no idea to improve so I'm just blindly looking at "how to draw the torso" tutorials and drawing from there.
How to I improve?
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>>3805595
Try to find an artist or any stuff that you like and that represents your ideal artstyle, a goal you want to accomplish. Now don't set the bar too high, don't try to replicate it perfectly, but try to understand how artists drew their figures and how a body works. That's basically it. You can also mix and match multiple images into your own OC, just do anything you enjoy. Having fun while drawing keeps you on the track
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>>3805595
Studying the form, and learning to put that into drawing form. That's why we study anatomy, and do figure studies. Dig in - there's endless amounts of free resources posted here every day.

That's why I encourage simpler poses - it's easier to see the basic structures. Every figure drawing class I ever took started with simple poses, for that exact reason.

And, we improve by doing it, a lot. Every drawing takes you a step closer.
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>>3805603
>just do anything you enjoy
how does one do that when everything they produce is meme-tier, cringecomp-tier garbage?
Do I just eye-copy sakimichichan until i become good? I'm not understanding.

>>3805609
What is a figure drawing? I googled it and I'm not following. Is it drawing what the body looks like, like what I posted above?
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>>3805618
>everything they produce is meme-tier
Either you embrace that or you learn from the bottom up. Allow me to re-phrase my post: look up simple tutorials that cover anatomy and try to understand how joints can bend and how bodyparts look in/from different poses/angles. You're probably at a very awkward starting point, trying to overcome that is fairly difficult. Just learn how to draw body parts as simplified shapes until your confident with them, and THEN you can try to replicate other people's art (maybe start out with simple 2D shit, the artstyle of people like sakimichichan is very hard to accomplish without years of hard training). Always remember to not trace images or copy them line by line, but to build the body and the pose from scratch up. This gives a great learning curve.
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>>3805624
>Always remember to not trace images or copy them line by line, but to build the body and the pose from scratch up.
I don't know how to do that, but I'm going to go google it and stop posting because this conversation would just be
>do this
>how do i do that
>so do this
>but i dont know how to do that
>so do this to do that
>but i cant do that either
And is pointless. All I know is that I don't know anything.
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>>3805632
You're just frustrated at this point. Don't force yourself, taking breaks is important while learning.
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>>3805635
I'm not frustrated, I just know that I know nothing and thus any conversation I could possibly have would be meaningless until I can force myself to get something of value out of this.
>taking breaks meme
Person i look up to literally worked for 8+ hours a day on his art.
Fuck breaks.
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Drawing cool and fun

>>3805640
Breaks are good and will be even more useful when you have an understanding of how things should look
>draw something
>its shit
>cant tell cause clouded judgement
>go rip some fortnite or rewatch paul blart
>come back to drawing with a clear mind
>spot the shit parts and fix it
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>>3805640
Get workrave and only take the necessary small breaks for stretching your body and wrists. Make sure you take time to exercise every day as sitting around for that long is bad for you. Keep your space ergonomic and make sure you get enough sleep every night.

If you do those things then it's not going to bite you in the ass working that long every day.
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>>3805685
i dont care if it bites me in the ass im not living to 35 anyway
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I'm satisfied with the sky and water, and the restof the drawing, but i don't think the city is very good. Should i try drawing something else or is it fine? Please do tell me what you guys think.
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digitally painted a red panda from reference today and i still cant do fur but fuck whatever
what u think
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The pelivs is a bucket that things go into
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>>3804652
Alright made some adjustments, how does it look? The perspective on her leg is really messing me up due to it blending in with the background on the ref.
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>>3805712
Wow that looks a lot better. Love the city view. The atmosphere and mood is like perfect, although colors could use a bit of work. I really like it.
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I'm literally just starting out working with Loomis's Fun with a Pencil, and I'm just wondering what exactly should I be doing. Just drawing construction over and over til I feel confident, then move on? I can't do anything right except make the faces vaguely humanoid it seems.
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First time trying gesture.
I don't get how it works with the legs, but I like the way top right turned out.
Feedback would be appreciated.
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>>3805767
Shit, uploaded the wrong pic. This one has the refs.
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>>3805768
How did you get these refs?
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>>3805769
iirc I got them from one of the mega links in the artbooks thread. Folder's name is Super Pose Book Nude
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How do I study correctly, I can stare at images and try to pic apart details but motivating myself to put it into action is very hard

I'm also kinda feeling like this guy >>3805632
where I'm just kinda doing what i want to do but feel like I'm learning but it'll bite me in the ass later because I'm not doing it in the right 'order'
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>>3805783
Just draw.
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>>3805784
Guess i'll keep doing what im doing then
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>>3805768
Man those asses are really distracting. Anyway, try to analyze the curves and forms you see on the figure and try to use simple C and S lines to convey them. Try reading the line of the spine and see how it attached to the head, curves on the back, and then how it ends on the tip of the pelvis. As for legs, use curve lines to help convey their form. You're getting the idea, you just need to draw bigger. I recommend you read up on hampton's book on figure drawing, it will greatly help you.
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>>3802945
>>3802937
the 7 shape is there because theres bones that have that kinda shape, try doing some basic skeleton studies and see what you can bring over into your construction, like the spine for example is pretty important to get right
your head also looks a bit off on the blue one
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>>3805786
Totally agree, that book is full of great poses.
And thanks for the tip, with so many figure drawing books I had no idea which one to start with.
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>>3805308
Are you /ic/tan?

>>3805426
>Knowledge that I gain in the past is not retained due to my cro magnon brain and goldfish memory
Fuck man I'm with you
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>>3801847
I don't know anymore guys, Is my anatomy wrong? It doesn't look right the more I look at it.
-_-
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>>3805722
You got the colors right! what program do you use? I have the same problems with brushes and such..
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>>3805492
What anatomy.
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>>3805783
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>>3805829
Seriously what does /beg/s mean by "anatomy"?
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>>3805829
I do not see anything that is horribly standing out. The ear could be bigger and the thumb a bit longer and the neck a bit more curved but it not that bad. The nose could be made a bit more prettier but again noses are subjective. None of these really stood for me.

I would spend more time on playing with the light, there is so much potential with having her magic thing right beside her face.

Well done Anon keep up the great work!
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>>3805914
What do I do after the first 20 hours?
>no anon you just do it again
or
>by asking you have already failed
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>>3805917
>the FIRST 20 hours
It never ends anon.
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>>3805921
I get it now.
>always quit and start over
>that's why we're here in /beg/
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>>3805923
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>>3805924
This image does not seem to cycle if you go on certain paths. What does it mean?
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gahhh is this better than the last one so far?
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>>3805930
It's staring into my soul.
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>>3805963
how? eyes arent even facing the viewer
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>>3801888
small ear
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>>3803468
try not to smudge things so mutch
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>>3804063
wide face
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gesture with a big brush really is something
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I've noticed that I draw at an angle with my right hand, is there any way to fix this shit? Every face I make looks angled off to the left and it's really messing with me. Trying to keep myself straight and postured right is just uncomfortable, is it a learning thing like drawing with the shoulder instead of the wrist or do I need to do something else?
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>>3806018
On the one hand it's a thing of practice, on the other hand I'd suggest checking the mirrored version of your drawing every once in a while. On paper this can either be done with a mirror (obviously) or by holding your drawing against the light and look at it from the other side. If everything still looks correct in the mirrored version you're good, if not, try to fix it as soon as possible
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>>3804483
which book is this from? looks good
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>>3806128
(Thomas Wang) Sketching with Markers
Gives helpful stuff for starting off sketching with ink and markers. But he uses a very loose way of drawing.
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Is this any good?
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>>3806170
to piggyback off this, can someone explain why people draw in this copper color? not sure exactly what color/medium it is, but I'm wondering what the practical applications and benefits are
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>>3805712
I decided to try something else..What do you guys think is the better version? I like this version more desu
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>>3805683
alternatively mirror your image since that makes you look at it with new eyes aswell, I still havent gotten into the habit of doing it regularly so I flip something at the end and think oh shit its all fucked
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>>3805927
it cycles, it just implies that everyone who gets praised becomes overconfident
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>>3806179
It looks nice.
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>>3806294
the one with the city is better - it adds contrast.
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>>3806294
a beach would look nice
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>>3806343
What do you think?
>>3806333
Hmm i suppose you're right, i'm participating at a contest for a magazine and i'm not 100% sure on which one to pick
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>>3806179
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanguine
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>>3806170
It's great for beginners.
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>>3806374
Your furniture does not obey the horizon line.
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>>3806374
>>3806460
this, pic related is where the horizon should be
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>>3806460
fuck. Seems like i will have redraw the table
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>>3806461
ooh i get it, what do you think, do i redraw the table or the background?
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>>3806467
I'd say go for the background, since you'll have to alter way more otherwise
maybe go for something like a beach instead, that'd make sense location wise
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>>3806472
done.
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i started painting two weeks ago. how, where do i learn actual techniques? how do i do layrs what brushes are best for what etc... im mostly doing still lifes to figure shit out for myselfe but some pionters or books would be good. any suggestions?
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>>3806548
I liked the city more, but this is still very comfy.
Mind if I save it? I love art like this and want to use it as a wallpaper.
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Anyone else do this shit of curving the final part of a line while doing the 2cnd/3rd layer for their linework?

It's like
>Going going annnnnnnnd fucked

I swear I have to Ctrl+z like 10+ times before it goes how I want it to go

How do I fix my retarded hand?
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>still put off hands to the end every time because they're a fucking struggle
I know other parts are bad obviously but I don't even know where to begin with hands most of the time
any books/videos you guys suggest on the subject?
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>Start drawing again after not drawing since Middle School
>Use shitty tablet I've had since middle school
>Buy $500 tablet with screen
>Pretty fucking cool
>Guide I'm reading says to practice using ink because then you get a greater appreciation for each line drawn
>Buy a shitty Walgreen's Sketchbook and some fine liners
>Basically only been drawing basic shapes in 3D space with that the past two weeks
Help, I'm retarded?
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>>3806587
>buying a tablet when you aren't even a uear into art
anon....i...
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>>3806552
I WOULD LOVE YOU SAVED IT! This is like,one of my dreams as an artist, to people to use my art. Go ahead!
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>>3806599
well congrats, you made it
keep up the good work
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>>3806593
I sold my Wii U I hadn't booted up in years and got money in other places to buy it. Drawing is definitely something that I am going to stick with. I have been drawing every single day after all.
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Never drew before. Got a tablet as gift for Christmas. Been collecting dust since. Played with it for a few hours now in Photoshop to test it out and just can't draw a normal looking face. This is the best I got. How do I fix it?
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>>3806609
>>3806631
>>3806550
You should learn to draw traditional first.
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>>3806631
read the sticky, you're doing what's known as symbol drawing
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>>3806631
Learn the fundamentals.
Protip: This is not how a skull, face or basically any part of the head you drew actually looks like
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>>3806631
As the anons before me said, learn how to draw on paper first and learn the basics. Learn how bodies always consist of 3 dimensional shapes and simpel forms. Pic related
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>>3806650
>>3806648
>>3806619
>>3806588
>>3806584
>>3806582
>>3806581
>>3806580
If that's all done by one anon then damn, you're pretty good. Now time to refine your anatomy and to end up ruining it like everyone else by inking
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>>3806634
>>3806636
>>3806637
>>3806641
Alright, thanks. Was hoping for something easier that required no effort at all to be honest though.
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>>3806656
Welcome to not-drawing then
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>>3806653
yeah it's all done by me, thank you!

what do you suggest is a good way to refine my anatomy and inking?
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>>3806665
Haha I wish I knew
For anatomy you can just google for tutorials. I find the small series from the artist of pic related pretty helpful, but there's always more to learn. Professional art channels on YouTube (like Proko, one of my favorites) really go in-depth on different parts of the body and muscles, and how to draw them ofc. For inking, it really depends on your style, if you don't wanna go for cartoony/ anime then staying with a pencil is fine. As far as I know using a thicker pen for the outlines and a thin pen for details/ smaller parts works best, but it's all just a matter of finding out for yourself
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>>3806678
thanks for the recommendations i'll look into them.
i have heard of proko but have never sat down to watch his stuff outside a few videos here and there.
i'm aiming for something more anime but i also want to be able to draw realistic and other styles.

i'll continue to post in beg lots of my drawings and studies.
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How the fuck do you draw characters in perspective, like the fuck nigga? Aint no perspective grids going to help me draw my waifu. Whenever I put her in my environments it looks out of place.
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>>3806715
draw a box where she's gonna be and put her in it
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>>3806634
i have been drawing for a bit now and i am continuing my drawing studies. however oil paintings, i find, are much more fun, which is why im asking for any book suggestions or any advice on the subject.
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going through Keys to Drawing, just finished the first exercise wherein I draw my disgusting feet
not sure that the photo represents exactly what I was seeing/copying because I did it as suggested, by copying my own feet in real time and then I took the photo afterwards

would have been way better if I was allowed to use an eraser, the right little toes have problems or 'restatements'
anyway, criticism welcome
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>>3806631
My second attempt. Haven't checked what was suggested before yet, but think this one looks better.
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>>3806763
Are you drawing from reference or imagination?

Also, for real, you gotta understand what "symbol drawing" is then not do it.
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I know there's something fucky with the ear, but where should I be pushing the line weight?
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jeah i fucked up the wine glass...
something like my 8th oil painting. just practiceibg colour and figuring shit out. i have a lot of fun doing this. oils are fun.
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I'm not longer sad about my inability to draw hands, now I'm getting angry at how it's holding back almost everything i want to draw.
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any obvious shit I can try to fix on this?
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>>3806885
Ear should be lower and a little farther to the back.
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>>3807054
Yeah, I figured as much. Something about the reply button is immediately sobering for the eyes, and you instantly see the stupid little flaws you didn't think about.
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>>3807004
Pretty much everything. I was going to start off by talking about your leg anatomy but then I realized it's pretty much all shit
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>>3807064
well yeah I know that
can't fix it without knowing why it's shit though
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>>3807004
The eyes aren't very aligned, The horns are a little crooked, The pose is very stiff, and the body is too long.
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>>3807073
thank you, I knew something was fucked with the horns but wasn't sure what
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I forgot to use reference like a retard. I hate using references but I'll do it for the rest of the hands i draw
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>>3805426
the fact that you aren't shit tier means that you are progressing
it just gets much harder to see as you go on
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How's this looking? Did some fixes on the TV and couch after taking the pic, but the scene is the same
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>>3806634
any reasons why?
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>>3804903
wtf
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>>3807151
Also my sketch for that girl looks better.. I swear I didn't plan on drawing on grid paper this was just to use her face as a reference on the real thing
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Gesture before bed. Working with this brush is feeling super chill, like I'm not worried about correcting minor mistakes. Discourages chicken scratching too cause it's so big there'd be no point

>>3807151
Is this from some IP or is it your OC? Pompadour looks familiar
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>color with sai
>doing it by hand takes ages and invariably has white spots/rough edges
>using transparency selection method sometimes gets things wrong and looks bad where two different colors meet
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>>3807167
OC but pompadour was the only hair that looked good there. Yeah he reminds me of someone too
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>>3807151
>>3807160
Wonky.
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Something for fun, back to grinding then.
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Was going through proko's bicep stuff, and what the hell is going on in the shoulder in the third one?
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>>3807420
That's still the front deltoideus
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>>3807511
do it yourself
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>>3807514
Cant draw im a tourist
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>>3807519
Why would you ask the beginner thread then?
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>>3807420
some more
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>>3807521
You need practice
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>>3807151
Why the fuck hasn't anyone given this guy actual advice?

The perspective is off. I'm not an expert, I'm a beginner too, but something about it is just off. I tried to "fix" it, but I don't even know if I am on the right track. It's just the table, man, something is off about it.

Look at the position of the wall, eventually it will reach a vanishing point. I dunno, just go read "perspective made easy" if you haven't already.
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WHY CAN'T I FUCKING DO IT...

Seems like every video and course I take it gets worse and worse
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>>3806859
Imagination and not sure what's symbol drawing is. I assume you're talking about the identical symbols for details? I'm just lazy and using the symmetry option in Photoshop instead of drawing both sides. Attempt #3 now after watching a video about the reilly method. Got lazy with the lips, ears and eyes because can't draw them yet.
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I did this in 30mins more or less, can anyone give me feedback? I feel like the proportions are atrocious somewhere but I don't know where
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>>3807935
unless you're intending to draw perfectly straight on faces forever, the symmetry tool is doing you no favors
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>>3807935
Dude, read the fucking sticky.

https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn

Symbol drawing is when you are drawing symbols of what things actually are instead of what they actually are.
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>>3807945
uhh everywhere? she's a midget, barely 3 feet tall
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What do you guys think?
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>>3808018
You got a pretty cool artstyle going there, but one thing I notice is, that your chin isn't symmetric. If her face is (more or less) directly facing the beholder, you can't have one side of her face silky smooth and round while the other one is almost usable in Geometry lessons to determine right angles
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>>3808018
Oh and another thing is, that your highlights and shadows don't really make sense. Try to make the shadows go into the opposite direction of your highlights. You already have all highlights facing the same direction, so I'll give you that. Try to imagine a single light source coming from the top left, maybe that'll help
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>>3802949
perspective, helps add depth to the booty as well
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>>3807810
We're all beginners here my man, but some are more /beg/ than others, but by helping each other. We all will make it.
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Where did everything go so wrong lads?
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>>3808086
ref
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>>3806754
just copied my hand from life too as per the book's instructions, only spent about 15 minutes on it
I realize now that the left side is not angular and sharp enough; if I was allowed to erase I'd fix it up

since there's no replies I guess I'm not fucking up in any major way?
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>>3808086
From what I see, the head is actually close-ish, but the proportions of the face make it look too big. The nose is too long, the eyes are too small, and the mouth is way too small. Otherwise it's not too bad anon, keep trying.
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>>3808094
You're being a little too clean, and chicken scratching (doing small short strokes to make up a line), these exercises are meant to be helping you learn to feel out the shapes in long lines, with only one or two restatements.
Are you drawing directly from life or are you drawing by looking at the pictures you've taken?
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>>3808101
I'm drawing directly from life, just taking pictures afterwards to give people a comparison as to what I was copying

I've just been trying to feel the shapes out a little is all, but I'll try to be more confident with my lines from here on
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>>3808098
Thank you very much anon, I totally saw the nose being too big. I was unsure about the eyes and I didn't even notice the mouth desu. I only ever use plumbing lines when starting the drawing which obviously fucks up my proportions a lot, gotta keep working on that.

May I also ask why this lad over here looks retarded and nothing like my reference?
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>>3808108
Ref, fuck I botched this one pretty bad

Sorry Julio
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>>3808033
I tried to make it again, do you think it's any better? :)
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>>3808113
Yeah, pretty good! I guess you can train yourself to make your lineart a bit cleaner and the strokes less "wonky", but that's just a minor issue with your heavily stylized artstyle. I like it!
Oh and exercising shadows by drawing real life objects always helps, squinting your eyes when looking at something helps to make out the highlights a bit better (at least that's what my art teacher told me back in the days, haha)
Keep it up!
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I was trying to use SAI 2 but the stabilizer settings feel weird, its like there's barely any difference in the highest settings.
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>>3808108
eh, I did this before I saw the ref. He has an interesting face for sure. I would say you would benefit a lot from doing some basic construction lines. I usually try to figure out where the eyes line up, and and build from there. However there are plenty of /Loomis/ out there to yell that at you. Keep at it.
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>>3808137
Cool drawing. Should render it to make it even more cool.
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>>3808113
Oh and one more thing, I liked the blush you had going on in your last drawing, fits the whole style really well!

>>3808124
Not sure on this one, cuz I never used SAI, but I heard the higher levels of the stabilizer (I think they were indicated by some letters in addition to numbers) are 'supposed' to go slower than your cursor, making it seem like your program is lagging. I don't know if that's the case, but people suggested using the settings indicated by numbers only
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>>3808136
Actually both have been constructed from loomis heads as bases, so in theory the positions of features should be more or less correct following construction lines, which means I'm probably fucking up the loomis model. Guess I'll practice that more before I try to draw features again.

Thanks again for your service anon, I really mean it.
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>>3808108
specifically, on yours are
>eyes too close together
>too much cranial mass
>nose doesnt match
>his left ear too high
>head tilt angle overall is off (you straightened his head out)
>eyes dont match his or each other
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>>3808139
thanks i'l work on my rendering skills and post to beg renders next
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I don't really get it, I feel like my poses come out stiff no matter what I do
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>>3801847
Working on loomis heads. His head and hand book has more explanation than fun with a pencil which helps.
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>>3801847
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>>3808157
They go hand in hand anon. I wouldn't feel discouraged, maybe try to keep the details more simple until you can consistently line stuff up. You could also try playing with value to build the face up off of the shadows too.
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>>3808324
Cute.
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I hate to ask, but can someone maybe do these exercises so I can see an example of what I am supposed to be doing exactly? It's from the book, "Figure Drawing from Artists" by Steve Huston
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>>3808512
How about you just give it a try.
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>>3807810
Alright friend, I'll check it out. Though I already made my next drawing and it might be lacking too, but I'll wait for the next thread
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>>3808524
Not everything on this page is meant to contribute towards the exercises, but some of it is. I feel like I am just guessing or copying from the book. I did say, "I hate to ask," because I was unsure if it was too big of a request.
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>>3808543
Slow down these are sloppy.
> I feel like I am just guessing or copying from the book
You are. But that is the first step in learning.
Keep going.
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>>3808543
What did you do the previous 92 days?
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