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Should I commission him or should I wait until he gets better and can someone reline this piece
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>>3850361
Our boy Firez is going full throttle, he's going to make it.
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>>3850371
Isn't he like 35 or something and spent 8 years to get there?
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>>3850361
>until he gets better
you'll wait for a long time OP
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>>3850383
How long do you think?
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>>3850361
Shit thread so I'll try to salvage it.

Has someone here ever commissioned an artist? I want to commission this artist that I really love, I sent a PM and got no reply, tried to leave a message on the commission page and got no reply. There is no reply from the artist to any of the other people who left a message on the comm page. What the hell? Is it normal that artists are so busy they don't even reply to commission offers?
I asked politely and the commission was a relatively high tier and the subject matter is not some perverted shit so it would be weird that I am being ignored specifically. Artist has been away for 13 hours on the site so definitely passed by the page somewhere around yesterday. Should I send another private message? Would that be annoying? How long does it take usually for artists to reply to messages?
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>>3850373
I never understood why age is so important to some people. Unless you expect to live until your 40's you making at 25 or 35 makes no difference in the long game.

One day every fucking nigger in this board will be a 50 year old piece of shit with decades of experience, and all this trash about age or time spent drawing will make no difference.
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>>3850388
kek
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>>3850393
10 years of drawing experience max plus it's culminated from bits and pieces of scattered working. 2 decades of crabbing.
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>>3850388

don't know about others but i'm always incredibly busy an there is never a lack of commissions to pick from. be more patient, he'll get back to you in a day or two.
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>>3850408
It's been a week... Also shit, I send another PM, just to ask if the artist saw the message. I hope I didn't annoy her.
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>>3850404
Random here, I've never drawn and I'm 25 years old. Should I start or should I just give up
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>>3850373
IIRC he said 5-6 years
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>>3850424
Still he a 35 year old virgin and nice try fir-rez

shilling your own thread
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>>3850418
I started at 25 from almost zero and I'm still garbage at 32 after tons of studying and sacrifices. When I see 16 year olds who draw better than me I want to fucking die.
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>>3850437
Post.
Your.
Work.
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>>3850388
if it's a popular artist, then they pick and choose what they want to do or what character it is. If they take a long time and you have to go to them, they may take forever/scam others
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>>3850361
fuck that looks like shit. why to normfags love "no discernable light source" art so much
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>>3850450
Post your work you crab
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>>3850444
so it's normal that they don't even reply? damn...
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>>3850452
Bro he took forever to reply to you, that guy is surely a crab and probably sucks at art as well
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>>3850418

you can, i started in 2015 but i wasn't serious , i stopped drawing 1 year 2016 and then got back again, i only draw for fun so if you get serious and grind like a chink you should git gud in less
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>>3850361
artists who get buy off commissions aren't artists, you're holding them back
an artist should create things that mean something to them, not work to keep the lights on
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>>3850460
i mean if thats the case, they should get a real fucking job
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>>3850460
You should read some books about art history before using your mouth like a second asshole.
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>>3850361
I feel he is competent enough for pinups
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>>3850471
Nice try firez
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>>3850466
artists should do what they want, not do what they are paid to
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>>3850361
I remember him saying that that pic was an exercise to see how much he could do in just two days. Usually he spends weeks on a single illustration

>>3850472
I just like his work. Judging by his social media and Patreon I’m not the only one
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>>3850473
they shouldn't even do what they expect will get them paid
an artist that panders is one who's failed
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>>3850361
>>3850471
I don't know if you are firez or not but you should go full sakimishit and just draw porn fanart. I am pretty sure that sakimichan has a buffer of default naked chicks and as soon as something comes out she paints whatever outfit of the copyrighted character on top. That's what I would do if I were a sleazy rat with no dignity.
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>>3850479
Also make it more anime, you have this semi-realistic style that just doesn't work for porn.

Maybe you could veer more towards a capeshit style like Frank Cho or Adam Hughes and draw porn of Catwoman? IDK
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>>3850471
He should try simplify more the face to look more appealing. Those bimbos looking like some type of breed between a blowup doll and a old hooker trying to look sexy with more makeup. Maybe is just personal taste, i've seen some people who enjoy those things, but jesus, it looks weird.

People can say all the shit they want about liya. but that man knows how to draw a cute stylized girl face and should always be used as a good example of how to properly draw in semi-realism, I mean, you can just compare them two and you will see what i'm saying.
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>>3850481
>that man knows how to draw a cute stylized girl face
yeah, that's literally the only thing he draws and he swipes most of it kek
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>>3850486
Yeah, and made him one of the most popular digital artists just by doing that. If that's not enough for you to believe how good that faces are you really are not thinking straight.
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>>3850427
His oldest work on Deviant art is Jan 2013 and I do remember it was around that time he started posting here.

Because I also started around that time and I’m still not as good as him
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>>3850361
Not good enough to enjoy just looking at, too unappealing to masturbate to. This is just sad, considering his advanced age.
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>>3850506
Post your work you crab
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>>3850489
of course I know that drawing the most bland shit imaginable gets you points with normies
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>>3850361
don't pick on firez, he's trying his best
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>>3850517
You know we have to in order for him to get good because we're all crabs. We SAY we're going to get good but all we do is shitpost, play video games, masturbate 6 times a day, eat all day, watch anime, pretend to know we art by giving fake critique to others, lie all the time about our art and whenever we get depressed we get on /ic/ to bring down others.

My mommy gave me 20 good points for jacking 10 times today and another 90 more and i'll be able to buy a wacum mobilestudiopro, nothing personal kid but equipment does make you better. Why else do you think fi-rez has barely any follwers on patreon. Just you wait because I'll get good in 10 years and i'll be better than him
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>>3850526
holy projectamole batman
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>>3850534
But he's right you
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>>3850535
I'm really concerned about this post
There's a chance you meant to say "know"
But there's and equal chance you meant to say "behind"
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>>3850545
yeah, I was typing fast and trolling other threads with truth
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>>3850361
How is he not making any money? He's doing porn and trying to be like sakimichan, why doesn't this work?
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>>3850549
not as good, wrong conent
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>>3850459
cute work, cute progression
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Fan art and it's not cute enough. I'm sorry but casuals and normalfags like loli now. It's the newest craze for them.
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>>3850549
He's not doing content of the really popular shit out there like Sakimi is spamming, but he has the potential to be like them
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>>3850559
Dumb 4chan >>3850549
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>>3850459
How the fuck are you so good?
makes me want to drop it all
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>>3850651
are you joking
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>>3850549
Firez plz go
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>>3850657
No? It's great for someone who draws whenever he wants for only 3 years.
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>>3850450
>why to normfags love "no discernable light source" art so much
Because over the years normalfags have been trained to that by TV, photograohy and other mass media where there is always tons of artificial lighting but it is always off camera so they do not see it. And they are normies so they do not think about it.

Really this is not hard to figure out bro
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>>3850657
that's a ton of improvement in 3 years
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>>3850373
You dont need to be young to be an artist though
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>>3850459
Keep going you have good taste
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>>3850453
It depends on the artist. I always reply to the messages people send me. Usually within 24 hours.
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>>3850459
>if you get serious and grind like a chink you should git gud in less
except you didn't git gud yet.
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>>3850686
how many followers do you have? this person has about 15k
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>>3850674
except '3years' doesn't tell you ANYTHING. he could've drawn a lot or not at all, everything's possible.

stop using years as a measurement, hours are the only thing that matters.
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>>3850549
Here are the things to do not to end up like Firez
>not jumping enough on trends and drawing latest releases. He draws what he likes I guess, that doesn't bring as much attention
>he posts a metric TON of sketches and WiPs. Normalfags do NOT care about that shit
>unironically not delving enough into anime style. His stylized look isn't appealing to the retarded masses of anime-watching normalfags. I'm not saying it looks bad (I don't like it personally but look at what Sakimchi does, its looks thrice as bad but it sells because it's anime) but it's just... Niche? It looks like a semi-realistic take on old Disney cartoons.

Basically he seems to orient his art towards drawfags or people who can appreciate art in general, posting WiPs and progress and spending so much time polishing his shit. That's nice, but not how you make money: by gearing your shit towards drooling masses of normalfags who only care about the finished result, seeing a pretty version of their anime waifu/husband rendered half well with a naked version available for a couple bux.
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He's going full degenerate, he's so shameless.
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>>3850361
that fucking hand lmao
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>>3850694
used to have 80k+ on tumblr, but then they banned porn.
I have 37k on twitter atm.
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>>3850549
>How is he not making any money?
Firez is unironically bad
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>>3850794
Nice! I'll just wait then, maybe she's busy. I really, really want a commission from her.
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>>3850461
>>3850473
>i mean if thats the case, they should get a real fucking job
>artists should do what they want, not do what they are paid to
I am confused
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>>3850748
>>not jumping enough on trends and drawing latest releases. He draws what he likes I guess, that doesn't bring as much attention
this is why i want to watch more anime now.
i want to market myself when i'm good enough to make money off art, but i dont play big AAA vidya and i dont watch anime, i just read mangas now and again. that is BAD if you want to make money i think
drawing what you like works but it feels a waste to not just make some fanart now and again to get visibility
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>>3850393
Can’t wait until 4chan ages 20 more years, /beg/ thread will be full of ruan jia tier work and they’ll still whinge they suck.
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>>3850466
>before using your mouth like a second asshole
Nice, stealing this
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>>3850437
Sometimes when I see these posts on /ic/ I feel like we're at the kids' pool and there's me and a couple others playing in the water but there's also a dozen standing on the edge asking us "is it too late???"

What the fuck are you waiting for? What is it with drawing that people are so scared of?
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>>3850460
>artists who get buy off commissions aren't artists
anon I...
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Also, a reminder since we can often forget: that there are non porn artists who make a living off their patreon and art fans, the art market is bigger than this.
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>>3850824
I don't think you even need to really watch anime or keep up with the seasonal stuff. I mean if you want to go for it for sure, there's some really good shit released every season. But all you need to do is be attentive about what's airing AND popular (now would be The Promised Neverland, Shield Hero, Mob Psycho and Kaguya), and if there are any weird trends to jump on (Arby's).
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>>3850471
soul
>>3850845
soulless
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Why do you guys always go "Hi firez" to any comment that enjoys his work. I'm in his discord as per his patreon rewards and I can assure you guys he never goes on /ic/ anymore. He's gonna make it, he has the drive.
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>>3850373
>Worked hard for a long time to get good.

What a fuckin loser.
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>>3850847
>that there are non porn artists who make a living off their patreon and art fans
oh yeah, those people who worked 100x harder to get 100x better and have exceptional talent but make 1/100 of the money porn artists make with 1/100 of the work.
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>>3850876
so? porn sells more, who would've guessed?
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>>3850876
Yet they do it voluntarily. Ask yourself why.
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>>3850876
You guys keep memeing this but to make decent money doing porn you still have to be very fucking good. They’re hardly 100x less talented than non porn fags, a lot of them are more talented.
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>>3850837
Get some more.
>are you smering your asshole in your keyboard to come up with so much shit or you are just incridible stupid?
>Are you some type of monkey preteding to be human to say such animalesc thing? Don't you have better things to do in the zoo you fucking baboon?
>i never seen someone trowup so much trash, I don't know if you are a broken trash dispenser or a completely dumb fuck, I feel like you should win some type of prize for stupidity or just a good beating up
You can also make animal noises, drool while repeating what the person say pretty close to their face in a retarded tone of voice while shaking your arms around. I almost got shot once in a discussion with a dude and made him cry just by doing that.
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>>3850907
Nah I’m good, just that one.
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>>3850437
>I started at 25 from almost zero and I'm still garbage at 32
30 for me
I know that feel, wanna double suicide?
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>>3850886
Dumb medieval principles.
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>>3850748
>>3850480
I'm dismayed people don't like the style of his faces. I think the Disney thing is cute and a lot of anime style stuff is bland, variety should be a good thing.
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>>3850477
so this is a weeks worth? yikes.
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>>3851180
why what is the problem?
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>>3851180
You know the drill: P. Y. W.
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>>3851187
it looks unfinished, hardly any definition of sharp edges which is probably due to the artists poor edge control, and the soft edges are too noticable, its like hes trying to copy sakimi but has no idea what hes doing. this is like half a days worth.
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>>3850477
Didn't he spend like 650 hours on his Samus painting? That ain't even slow, that's glacial.
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>>3851180
Post.Your.Work
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>>3851175
You are in 4chan so taste is very slanted towards animu shit

>>3851211
Post your work. Let's look how finished and sharp your shit looks
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>>3851216
More like 60 iirc, the thing has like 4 permutations and it was paid very well by his client
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I am so proud of him, we both started at around the same time way back when and his jump from the usual portrait drawings of 3/4 bust shots to his figure drawings is a breath of fresh air.
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>>3851221
fuck off firez
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>>3851226
Hi Firez
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>>3851211
>it looks unfinished
>this is like half a days worth.
But why does that matter? He gets paid for it by the normies at Patreon. Why should he bother adding more?
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>>3851227
Did anon offend your waifu degeneracy?
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>>3851234
you know i find it weird that everytime there is a firez thread there is somehow this one guy who always want to relate to firez, and i mean its in every thread. every single one. firez its obvious as hell youre trying to shill yourself and defend yourself, its so fucking obvious you dont even try to hide it.
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>>3851211
>>3851233
Do people honestly believe that >>3850477
looks unfinished let alone like a half a day of work?

It might not be muh ruan jia or sakimichan but it is very competent all things considered
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>>3851236
Not him but did it ever fucking occur to you that maybe Firez is a source of inspiration to a couple of Anons?
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>>3851236
You know?

I think it is sadder that there is always an anon caring so much about a 3rd world incel, so called noob shit artist who is faaar from ilya, saki, or shadman level of popularity than firez coming to shill himself
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>>3851233
its not about adding more lol, the problem is that he spends too much time and it still looks like shit especially the rendering. at most most digital illustrations take up AT MOST 16ish hours or less and im going off by time lapse videos that provide the time. and honestly im giving too much because im nice, since the average time these timelapse videos usually have is about 8 hours. stuff with a bit more of complex rendering is around 24. rendering that firez isnt even capable of doing, within the *weeks worth*.
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>>3851238
>>3851243
its obvious as hell that youre just some samefag aka firez
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>>3851250
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>>3851253
wow its like you think there arnt workarounds lol
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>>3850824

You don't need to watch or play any of that shit. Just go to /a/ or /v/ and look for whatever they're most upset about at the moment.
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>>3851246
Again, what is the point when he already gets paid for this?
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>>3851267
>art is all about money
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>>3850437
You and Firez should follow Cutesexyrobots.

CSR started late but he pumps out art like a FUCKING MACHINE. And he only deals with fanart, sexy girls. Nose buried deep in that grindstone

Look at his twitter
https://twitter.com/cutesexyrobutts he fairly new and has over 140k followers. He doesnt do conversations about politics or controversial edge-lord shit, no random pictures of food or places he visited.And he doesn't have hangups about his imperfections and mistakes

JUST ART! ART! ART!
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>>3851267
grats on missing the point again
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>>3851273
>more retards that dont know how to render, but who cares amirite?
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>>3851273
well the dude probably grin like crazy
he start after Firez since he said he started 3 and a haft year ago too
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>>3851259
Come to think of it, there's always this faggot in every Firez thread that goes around accusing other people of samefagging as Firez.
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>>3851175
I personally find it a bit awkward, stuck between stylized-Disney/Anime and realism. It's uncanny.
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>>3850361
>Should I commission him or should I wait until he gets better and can someone reline this piece
hes slow as fuck wait until he gets faster
>3851273
>Firez should follow Cutesexyrobots
This
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>>3851278
You are the one missing the point
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>>3851273
Did you even read this thread?


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>>3851285
>>3851221

Alright I've looked at his work and I think the issue holding back increased popularity is this:

He's too inconsistent. He's got studies, sketches and commissioned portraits mixed in with his pinups. I think he's good, not perfect but good. But having such a mixed looking catalog of work doesn't help. The people that like his pinups don't want to see commissioned portraits of elderly couples or birds. He needs to establish what sort of subject matter he wants to be known for and stick to that and stop posting commissions that fall outside of that. He could go further and focus on a niche like cyborgs, giantesses or feet. More fanart would help.

Perhaps an odd opinion but I think he could also do well focusing on appealing to a female audience. Maybe the reason we've got people here disagreeing over the appeal of his faces is because his faces seem like the sort that would appeal to a female demographic (and most of you are male). His fantasy pieces especially come across as very feminine. I'm going to guess he wouldn't be interested in this compared to painting nude women but perhaps throwing his SFW fantasy pieces onto a separate account and changing up the tags a bit could be a way of gauging female interest in his artwork. A female audience would likely also be more appreciative of his animal artwork.
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>>3851321
He's in desperate need for multiple accounts. One SFW and another fanart/nsfw
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>>3851273
he's a workforce, but i feel like he's hit a plateau. he could upgrade his skills crazy if he spent more time studying, but it's obvious he spends all his time churning out finished art.
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>>3851175
Is is a good thing, but normalfags don't care about that anymore. We're going back to the 2000s era because the kids that grew up to legally watch porn are weebs.
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>>3851357
That's why I think retooling to appeal to girls might be a good idea. I think guys are more likely to be into anime aesthetics for porn, but his faces are doll-like and Disney in a way that girls seem to enjoy. Drawings of fairies and pretty princesses on horseback and stuff like that.

Oh and worse than the 2000s era because back then many of the most popular artists became popular off of original work, there is a much greater preference for fanart now.
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>>3851321
Should not an artist aim to be able to draw several types of stuff?

Isn't that considered an asset?
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>>3851376
It can be but it means you need to market yourself differently. When it comes to social media you want a very consistent 'brand'. You are artist XYZ and your main subject is pinups drawn in this sort of art style. The people that subbed to you because of pinups to you ONLY want to see pinups. They don't care about your animal artwork, they don't care about your environment artwork and if their first exposure to you was your realistic artwork they don't want to see you experimenting with anime or other cartoonish art styles especially if it is SFW stuff. People want stylistic consistency and subject consistency.

When it comes to portfolios for traditional illustration jobs in more traditional employment this sort of variety is more favorable. A children's book publishing company can feel confident you can draw more than just cute animals but you can draw nice environments for them and objects to interact with, for instance. If you get hired at a studio whoever is hiring knows you are skilled and flexible enough to work in other capacities in case there is some sort of emergency ("Our environmental artist is in the hospital for the next two weeks, but Anon is really good at environments and can help finish Terry's work").

For online presence though variety can actually be really bad.
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>>3851376
The vast majority of pro artists have a distinct style and subject matter, most of the time they do one signature thing over and over.
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>>3851273
What a fucking machine indeed. That Patreon is comfy as fuck. What an inspiration. Work hard and ye shall be rewarded. Work, not practice.
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>can someone redline this piece
>Thread full of crabs.
>42 posters
>Nobody redlined it
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>>3851211
Do you think maybe one of the big issues is that his work doesn't have enough "contrast"? If you look at Vetyr's (pic related) and CSR's work >>3851273 , even though Firez seems to be as technically skilled as them, their work seems more appealing.

Their colors seem bolder and "eye catching". I'm not sure if Fierz needs to fix his values or use the color adjustment filters in whatever art program he uses while he's painting.

>>3851404
Also I agree with this too. I noticed with a most artists I follow, I'm usually following them because I expect a consistent style or theme everytime they upload something.
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>>3851441
wut?
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>>3851441
I want to redraw it as soon as I get off from wagecucking and hopefully Firesenpai will notice me.
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I don't like his work but I am one of his patreon donators - i started out pretty early i think he had $12 or something, now he's at $119. Given that he lives in the middle of buttfuck no where I figure that's a lot of money over there, and he's practically made it for his current lifestyle.
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>>3851442
Firez is not as skilled as this guy
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>>3851442
vetyr isnt skilled a rendering either.
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>>3851427
>Patreon is comfy as fuck.
CSR Patreon is new too, if he keeps it up in 5 years he will be making 10k a month.

Firez need to go full CSR Machine Mode
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>>3851511
yes he is you are just jealous
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>>3851511
>>3851562
I think his stuff is just meant to be viewed at a smaller scale
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>>3851427
he practiced a lot though
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>>3851497
>>3851564
Vetyr is a girl

>>3851511
Her rendering seems pretty okay to me. I always admired what she can achieve with just a mainly hard round brush

Also here's a nice soft/hard edge ref guide she made
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>>3850388
I got commissioned once, she paid me $20 less than originally offered, but $40 is better than nothing I guess
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>>3851604
she has the same problem firez has, poor edge control. pretty colors and all that but it wont save her rendering. plus she paints in one specific way and she even feels like she hasn't improved and took a hiatus.
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>>3851616
>>3851604
example of good edge control
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>>3851628
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>>3851282
nice try firez
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if you don't see the glaring fundamental problems with firez art then you're certified ngmi
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>>3851648
Shitposting and not posting artwork to compare his prowess

NGMI
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Firez provides daily studies, but all he does every single day is naked women from a similar perspective and poses. What's the point?
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>>3850806
a career in art poisons the artist's creativity and individuality if they are to believe that this is what they are.
if you wish to have a career in art your ultimate goal should be to get to a stage of freedom
you can have a job not in art and still be an artist because your job is there to fund your freedom
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>>3851442
Holy moly that's gorgeous, way more interesting than yet another cheesecake artist.
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>>3851687
>>3851321

TIL that firez is schrodinger's cat
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>>3850361
seem like he like these kind of faces a lot
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>>3851808
>her arms
>her Legs
Reminds me of xxxHolic
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>>3851809
>>3851808
holy shit i can't see it now
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>>3851809
That's mean
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>>3851637
>>3851628
No fucking way this shit isn't traced /photobashed
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>>3850361
>>3851808
His face reminded me of a guy who won't fix his fucking ugly face even though he draw like years now
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>>3850361
Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap
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>>3851843
Lol also stop bumping your thread firez, we know it's you so stop shilling
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>>3850361
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>>3850361
People really pay for this kind of shit? it looks poorly referenced from a photo.
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>>3851854
what is insane is that people might actually find this hot
like how fucking low are your standards
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>>3851582
Did you see his "paintings"? It's all the same shit, the same body type, the same bland pillow shading printed every day or more often. All he got is good anatomy for 1 body type. Absolutely anyone can draw that way. He even says he started at 27 watching tutorials. I bet he didn't practice for more than 5 years. Tell that to an average artist who practiced 10 years to be able to do decent variation of work. This ain't it. He grinded anatomy for one body type and one type of shading.

Incidentally a contact of mine works in the game industry full time and has 4 years of practice. Went to 2-yr "art college" with 0 practice. He photobashes and uses 3d refs for every single thing he makes. Acts like an artist, but a pencil to him is "for writing notes".
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>>3851858
>>3851854
Post your works you crabs
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>>3851860
>The pyw meme
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>>3851859
He's basically Legoman but actually renders his work
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>>3851863
Crab confirmed

NGMi
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>>3851885
Are you gonna make it? this guy Firez did make it?
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>>3851894
Irrelevant. All that is and will forever be true is that you'll ever make it. Now post your work faggot.
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>>3850361
Why does this look so off? What's wrong with it
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>>3851946
1) the pose is awkward, likely the artist skipped the gesture phase and went straight to drawing the form. If you look at the feet, you'll see the whole figure is off balance, which I'm guessing was not the intention of the artist.
2) the arm and the thigh lines create an unappealing tangent, which confuses the eye.
3) the lighting is inconsistent, highlights aren't placed correctly according to the shadows.
4) the hand proportions aren't correct.
5) there is a crease in the butt which shouldn't show when the glutes are relaxed in this pose.
6) the face proportions are off, inconsistent number of eyelashes on each eye, the eyebrows are completely different lengths.
7) the torso looks disconnected from the lower half of the body, again likely due to the artist skipping the gesture phase.
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>>3851604
this will sound crab as fuck but vetyr pisses me off
she's like the real manifestation of those "teehee i'm a 12 year old girl that started painting last year, here's my rembrandt" except she's 18 and started 4 years ago or so.
i'm not even mad at her I just hate she got lucky to find /ic/ and have a friend motivate her to grind so early in her life, meanwhile fucks like me feel already old for an artist because we're beginner as fuck in our 20s when people like her and a bunch of others are concept artist tier at 25 or even earlier.
i guess some people are just smarter or lucky to have found their purpose and passion in life so early. while i wasted so many years playing vidya and other useless shit.
/r9k tier rant
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>>3851991
*those memes
is what I meant to say.
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>>3851991
It's not even a matter of getting gud as much as starting to build a following while you're in your teens so that by the time you're 20something and you're good enough to get payed you actually have a public to pay you
most artists' social media accounts like DA are 10 years old, you simply don't have that much time if you start at 25, and now it's even worse than 10 years ago because everyone and their dog is an artist and they have tablets and shit
add to this that if you don't draw fanart / porn it''s even harder and you might also be a slow learner / not get to a god tier level within that timespan and it really starts feeling utterly hopeless
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>>3851279
Stop being a salty crab. Plus I bet CSR is 100 leagues better then you.
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>>3851991
There's a lot more to life than art dude, and the fact that so much of the art industry is filled with 20-somethings says alot about why so much of it is uninspired shit.
Do you really want to produce art like vetyrs?
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>>3851979
Gesture really puts a hedge between good and great artists, and so many people skip it!
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>>3852067
This. I'm glad I never made it as a teen cause I did embarrassing teenage shit, and that's what I would be known for.
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>>3852067
>Do you really want to produce art like vetyrs?
it's not about that, it's just that getting good at art is the only thing that gives my life purpose that isn't mindless hedonism of playing vidya and watching anime. i'm just salty i didn't start earlier and just wasted time when i could have been like her. not for her subject matter, but for her skills
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>>3851991
I know this feel
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>>3850549
I'm only after learning about this guy thanks to this thread and I have no idea what you guys mean. This guy is making over $100 despite only having about 1,000 followers on twitter. That's super good. I know of people who have tens of thousands who only make about $400 on patreon monthly. Iirc, the average for a lot of people is only about 5-10 followers per 1,000 will pledge to an artist's patreon. He is doing much better than the average person in his position.
His problem is not his skill, it's that he's clearly not networking/marketing himself correctly.

>>3850748
This basically sums up why he isn't gaining a following. I sort of disagree with the face stuff, I think they're fine and appealing and not an issue, but he just doesn't draw anything people care about is what is holding him back (as well as his output).
How are people supposed to find him if no one is looking up the content he is drawing? That's just how it works.
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>>3850549
>How is he not making any money? He's doing porn and trying to be like sakimichan, why doesn't this work?
HE'S TOO FUCKING SLOW
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>>3851991
Most people in history died in a ditch before reaching 25, whether as hunter gatherer or as peasant farmers (glorified slaves) - that is the standard of the human condition, and you're miles above it.
Put things in perspective anon, there's always gonna be someone who has it better than you, so why bother obsessing on it? You just gotta try and enjoy what you do.
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>>3852134
>This guy is making over $100 despite only having about 1,000 followers on twitter. That's super good.
I was thinking the same thing.
Cuterobutts has like 140k followers on Twitter, but "only" makes 4k$ on Patreon.
By comparison, FireZ has a great attach rate.
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>>3852338
It's called appealing to a niche audience
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>>3852384
What's niche about Firez's pin ups?
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>>3852134
Just 1000 twitter followers...fuck
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>>3850748
His way of doing things is slow, but not really that bad. He gets to draw things he likes instead of pandering too much. If you want to speed things up with followers and money, you shift into Sakimi gear. His followers like his stuff, and they may be few right now, but it won't stay few in the future. Eventually he's going to build a fanbase of people who are into stuff like his. It just takes time for his kind of drawings.
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>>3852708
>1000 followers
>$119 USD/mo

This is yet another thread about crabs being unable to accept that Firez has made it way further than they ever will.

Literally every thread about him is this.
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>>3852708
>that right arm and hand
good details, but it's like nothing comes fully together.
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>>3852755
It's because there's problems with form. Knee if broken, boobs aren't affected by gravity so they look like they are bolted on, the boobs are creating a cavity on her rib cage, her neck is broken and completely facing the side plus not well placed, ect. But honestly it's good enough for the casual audience.
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>>3852594
>This is "niche" because it's not fanart porn
>This is "niche" because it's just regular porn
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>>3852750
>$119 USD/mo
>Firez has made it
kek
pick one, kid.
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>>3852949
I can't even get more than 1 like per artwork I post, making even 1$ a month is like science fiction to me
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>>3852955
grats, you are even more clueless than firez. that's a big accomplishment.
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>>3852964
I just don't draw porn or fanart
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>>3852594
>>3852868
No, you silly people, it's niche because his art looks unprofessional in many regards. Only a niche who doesn't see it this way and likes the "unique" flavor caused by his mistakes is subbing to him this early at all. Of course a higher percentage is also paying him. When you're mainstream many more people sub just because your popular and not because they like it.
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>>3852978
Cuterobutts is also full of "imperfections", anatomical ones especially.
I think the real difference, as others pointed out, is that FireZ is much slower. Regular people don't care about quality, but quantity. It's why Mangas will always be more popular than French comics.
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>>3853127
There's that too, but the anatomical imperfections in cuterobutts are much less visible to non-artists.
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>>3850361
>>>3850361
I think he's never going to make it because since the very first thing we ever saw from him, he kept making the same huge mistake :
the work looks appealing at first then the most we look at it, the most it becomes disturbing and uninteresting
No matter how much he improves his rendering, anatomy, or color theory, he never improved the most simple yet important thing about an illustration which is to clearly convey the idea of what is in his head
I feel like in 10 years his paintings would be perfectly rendered but will still have this feeling of messiness and confusion that will make his pieces not worth anything which is tragic because he seems to be working a lot
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>>3853162
+ He's just giving me the impression that he's not having any fun while drawing, which is very underwhelming
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>>3853162
>No matter how much he improves his rendering, anatomy, or color theory, he never improved the most simple yet important thing about an illustration which is to clearly convey the idea of what is in his head
Nice meme ther anon! You sure are a smart person!
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seeing this disgusting ass everytime I open up the catalog is further lowering my opinion on firez
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>>3853162
>I think he's never going to make it because since the very first thing we ever saw from him, he kept making the same huge mistake :
>the work looks appealing at first then the most we look at it, the most it becomes disturbing and uninteresting
>I can't explain why but i don't like it, and that's a "huge mistake".

...Ok.
He needs to tighten up his anatomies, but there's not some magical thing he'll "never get".
That's just nonsense crab talk.
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>>3852078
That feel is shared between us bro
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There's a disconnect between how innocently he wants his girls to look and what he's doing now: mainly fetishes and porn.
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>>3850559
>casuals and normalfags like loli now.
Banned on Twitter and the UN is trying to get countries to ban it across all platforms.
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>>3854701
>Banned on Twitter
>When the Arby's shit just happened
Doubt.
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>>3854712
Google it
It is mostly aimed at Japanese Twitter users with a ToS change.
and the UN is still pushing ahead with their draft.
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>>3854732
Good thing I'm not a bong or a nip.
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>>3850361
Why is the left leg so dark?
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>>3855192
She has one legging on
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>>3855192
she's wearing a stocking, you uncultured swine
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>>3850361
why do people like asses that look like they belong to disgusting obese women.
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>>3855222
American thicc meme.
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>>3850459
It depresses me so much that I'll be shit for literally years of daily practice.
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>Still nobody redlined OP pic.
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>>3853202
Lacks gesture
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>>3850361
You should just download the original pic.
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>>3855222
I have no idea anon, I have no idea.
I blame niggers's prominence in media desu.
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>>3856873
>It's a "everything is traced!" /ic/ paranoia episode.
A girl bending down for a porn image, my god!
You cracked the case.
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>>3856927
This. Poses ain't fucking copyrighted, fucking autistic retards.
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>>3856873
damn, firez is a brainlet who can't come up with a pose? yuck
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>>3856974
Post your work.
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>>3855222
>>3856873
IDK

buymp
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>>3850361
Any thoughts on this new piece?
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>>3856873
>legs and hands both in different positions
>wearing heels
Even if he used this pic as a reference, he obviously didn't copy it, let alone trace it, you fucking trog
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>>3859997
That seems more like a quick practice study, I prefer this one
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>>3860057
He's pandering to the thicc crowd! If he keeps this up he's going to strike gold it is only a matter of time now.
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>>3851273
who wants 140k normies sucking your balls, all day everyday?..no thxu!
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>>3850361
This horrible ass gets wose and wose every time I see wit on the catawog
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>>3860046
are you serious? it's mostly copied and he even drew the feet in the same way and just took the hells off which looks retarded
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>>3860199
It's a pretty generic pinup pose you idiot
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>>3860198
I'm going to be so happy when this thread hits bump limit so it can die instead of getting bumped everyday. Its like looking into a funhouse mirror
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>>3860217
>>3860199
People who are turned on by this kind of pose or "here's a spread open vagina" have legit brain damage. I can't even fathom the level of single digit IQ lizard brain required to have such a shit taste in eroticism.
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>>3860082
thats not thicc lol thats just fucking fat
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>>3860217
delusional
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>>3860230
>>3860082
I see this kind of deformed bulbous ass in "thicc" threads all the fucking time. Stop acting like there's a difference between thicc and fat fetishism.
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>>3860185
>I have no idea how social media works
what a fucking brainlet
NGMI
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>>3860243
theres is you fucking brainlet





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