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IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the /draw/thread with our fundamental exercises.

Previous Thread >>3888153

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, or you literally are never going to make it

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:
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>screenshot the image and post that instead
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>change camera capture settings to something smaller
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>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY if you need guidance when you haven't even started

Sticky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

REMEMBER, if you've just started out you work will not be good, it doesn't need to be, just get in to the swing of actually drawing, and learning how to study. Most of all, enjoy it.
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woof!
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>>3891738
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the shadowy things are supposed to be hands feeling him up. (he's gonna be holding one of the shadowy hands) i can't draw muscles for shit and couldnt figure out how to draw the nips so i just left them out. a redline or critique would be appreciated.
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>>3891740
or if you just drew pose with hands behind torso
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>>3891738
Not /beg/
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>>3891761
>that thumb in the bottom row

yeah boyo, back to the drawing table you go
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How do you know where the cast shadow ends up on the ground plane?
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>>3891804
nevermind, figured it out
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>>3891813
Sunlight angle through point, or line through point and source.
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>>3891761
>or if you just drew pose with hands behind torso
>which is totally not hiding
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>>3891804
https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy/page/n171
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If i can't draw for shit, literally my drawings are very trash but not sticks (like it helps) what should I do first? Drawabox or loomis?
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>>3892057
What do you want to end up drawing?
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>>3892060
I'm very unsure, a dream of mine wpuld be to work on animation over the world, but as a main, the thing is, that's easier said than done. On the other hand, I don't know how I feel about realism and the like.
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Does /beg/ think it may be possible to automate some facets of art?
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How the fuck does this chink make these small bends and curves in the form look so convincing? I already understand how to make shit look not flat, but it ends in most of my forms looking like vases.

My issue is how do I make my forms more dynamic? The only experience I have with art has been some drawabox and this course by Peter Han so I don't know if this is a mileage or visual reference issue.
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>>3892060
>>3892063
Wrong answer I take it?
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>>3892082
One of the things that took me the longest time to learn is that the process behind making 3D forms look convincing very much so follows 'the sum is greater than the whole' adage. As in, the lines, the shading, the lighting, all of it adds up to a form that has depth. If you have just the lines, or just the shadows, it will look flat.

The thing is, nobody can simultaneously create all of these. You have build them on top of each other, and, at each step, convince yourself that the form is 3D, not the rendering. I often got tripped up by this. Like, I added the lines, then tried to add shadows that accommodated the LINES and NOT the form.

tldr: don't second guess yourself while making the form and it'll come together at the end
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>>3892091
Kill my soul /ic/
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>>3891738
>The torso is tilted
>cant see hands
>cant see feet
>still flat
>beg/10
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The bad things I already know:
1. Thumb overlap in bottom hand is messed up
2. Bottom arm is too long.
3. Can't see pinky in top arm
4. Ripples don't follow perspective well

Any other critiques would be great
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>>3892092
resize your image first m8
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>>3892105
>1000x1000
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>>3892088
Was just a bit distracted. Just pick whatever you're most interested in now. In time you'll experiment with all sorts of styles and techniques but you need to start somewhere so start with what you like the most, what will give you the most determination on your long trip through beg town. Whatever you decide on break it down, research the building blocks that are used in creating that art. The building blocks in most cases are going to be the fundies. Some fundamentals are going to be used more in some styles/techniques then others so jot the big ones down, start studying and add new things to study as you see fit. Something not fundies to study might be different brush and paint types if you wanted to do paintings so just keep in mind to study the key components to whatever you are learning.

This is just how i approach practicing so take from it what you will.
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>>3891749
I'm pretty new myself, so take this with a grain of salt:

1. The wrinkle going from the base of the top arm to the sternum looks a bit off, not sure if that actually exists on real models. On clothing I'd understand it, but on skin it looks unusual.

2. Look more into drapery drawing from the shoes and the pants. I see the lines indicating folding, but the contours are almost nonexistent.

3. Torso is 100% too small. Remember, it's 3 heads long. Yours is 2~ heads.

4. The traps are like noodles on this guy, make them slightly more rounder

As for the other muscles, I like them! You have some issues with the placement of the muscle groups, but I can only see those problems if I'm really looking for them, nice work
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>>3892100
Pick up and read, literally any book on figure drawing.
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>>3892113
Thanks!

1. Foreshortening on the left hand (from the perspective of the viewer) seems off. Not too off, but definitely to the point where it's noticeable. Speaking of that hand, where did the thumb go?

2. Drapery is EXTREMELY off. Those are some very complex shapes on the shoulder, and the lines you've put don't give it justice. Not sure how to fix that, I don't even attempt fabric like that. The skirt is easier to fix though, I'd recommend looking into moderndayjames videos for fabric studies.

3. Knees are hard to get right, so I'm not expecting very realistic ones in the /beg/ thread. But an easy step forward is to realize that in the position that the girl is in, the knee will have a very clear contour to it. Adding that contour adds some extra depth to the drawing

I'm gonna ignore the face because I'm not great at critiquing stylized faces. I do like the bow though!
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>>3892124
I have been going through Loomis books, would you be able to highlight specific areas where I got it wrong?
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>>3892115
Thanks for the help, breaking down things sounds very hard. I'll make a drawing and post it here, it will be shit but I hope I can get some clues from it
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>>3892128
not him but i'd recommend vilppu's figure drawing and hamton as opposed to loomis, loomis is fine for the head construction though. Also the reason he recommended figure drawing is because the body is really disproportionate and stiff. For example the neck is too long, the arms are different lengths, the hands are different sizes, the head is a bit small, the forearm is shorter than his upper arm,etc.
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Yep, I can't draw for shit, and this was looking at a reference.
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>>3892159
Yeah, I have a big issue with proportion, I tend to start ignoring head lengths when I'm drawing. I'll try out some of Vipplu's tutorials then, thanks for the help!
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>>3892164
Fuck, how can people even make circles?
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>>3892164

Looks like you got an issue with 'drawing what you see' instead of 'drawing what is there'. Or something like that, I forget the exact wording. Read 'Drawing on the right side of the brain' for some exercises to beat that tendency out of you. Ignore the psuedoscience, focus on the exercises in the book
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>>3892171
that would be drawing what you think you see, and not what is there
and Keys to Drawing is better than Right Side of the Brain, if his goal is to draw from life that is
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>>3891775
Same fag, 100% beg
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>>3892113
Your art skill equals that of ZUN bro, take that as a complement.
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>>3892171
>>3892179
I might want to go for animation in the future, but I dont know if the change is easy to make halfway there.
Just to add, I have no idea how to make shoulders, to me they are a line with two pointy ends and thats it, but that only """""works"""""" when viewing something upfront. Perspective? I dont know what that is. But I'll check the book, thanks. Any other thing?
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>>3892169
Make an X then a + that matches the length of each point. Or make boxes and cylinders instead of just circles and lines.
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>>3892183
/ic/ shits on Proko a lot, but his anatomy videos are legitimately good for understanding musculature. Arm muscles are something he has an entire set of videos for, I'd recommend checking them out
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>>3892193
The boxes are for breaking down and planning, right? I've seen you guys do that.
>>3892203
Thanks, I will check them out.
But back to the fundamentals, so I start with drawabox and then continue loomis, whats loomis about anyways?
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>>3892214
You use boxes for a few things, once you get use to anatomy you can scribble out a rough pose without construction joints.
You want to think of the box asa 3d object and uses its sides to guide the angle and proportions.

The more stylized you are the more weird proportions you can get away with, but cartoony isn’t everyone’s thing.
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>>3892214

Drawabox is great, it's where I started as well. Loomis is mostly about face construction (and anatomy as well, but that's not what he's best known for)
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Took a break from gesture drawing to focus more on anatomy, but I'm back on that quickposes.com grind. I'm still iffy on feet, so ignore those for now, any other criticisms would be good
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>can’t shade
>draw to small
Oh well
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>>3892220
Not very gesturey.
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I apologize for taking so long.
>>3892219
Well, looks like I'm going with that for now, thanks.
>>3892217
I see, everything I make is horribly flat because of this to the point of looking samey because I can only use one perspective. Leaves a lot to be desored on top of the usual stuff
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>>3892091
Thanks for the advice. I'm guessing I already need to have a preconceived notion of what the form should be, including the bumps and curves by the time my pen touches the paper?
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>>3892182
Real shit. If I were to at least match his skill level it would be giving me far more confidence
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>>3892220
It is great that you are focusing on anatomy too Anon. Keep in mind however that gesture drawing is just about a quick plan for establishing the directions, angles and the basic shape of the body, drawing basic "sack people" is enough you do not need details.

Try to establish the main lines and the directions of the spine/torso the angles of the shoulders and the hips

About yours the two arms are visibly uneven, the chest and pecs look flat and the neck is too wide and the head is too big. The neck is actually an extremely flexible part of the body, try to make it longer and thinner in the future.

pic my attempt without your ref
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>>3892268
My first redline critique! Thank you so much, I'll keep all of that in mind for my other gesture drawings
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Fuck hands
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>>3892248
Yup! Obviously, this notion needn't be perfect, you can update it as you draw, but a basic understanding of the entire form prior to drawing can be invaluable.
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>>3892274
These are pretty great anon, keep it up. Only critique I have is to be mindful of the sharp corners/curves of the fingers.

I see that you are aware of them when the fingers are bending, but you seem to ignore them when the fingers are straight. When straight, there's a subtle curve to the fingers that, when drawn, can help out a lot when avoiding 'needle hand syndrome'
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Im gonna attempt this anons, wish me luck! Got alot of spare sketchbooks i gotta use up anyways.
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How do I avoid drawing a symbol when doing a small face front view? just the nose line and cheekbones gonna help that?
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i bought today a stick figure in ikea lol
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>>3892296
Make sure to rotate those legs to get them loosened up. They're really tight to start, you just gotta twist them hard.
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This drawing on the right side of the brain thing is some matrix tier shit.
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>>3892331
it's psuedo science mumbo jumbo
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i cant draw backgrounds for shit
help me
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>>3892446
>implying you can draw figures
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>>3892448
Clearly they can to some extent, just because there’s some flaws doesn’t mean they’re completely incapable
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Any feedback on this? I spent like 2 hrs on it and I thought it came out well besides the face.
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>>3892450
you're right, i'm sorry. forgot this was /beg/. his phrasing and 1.32mb 5000x6700 triggered me to shitpost
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This is not good, this is not ok, but it was fun.
>symbol drawing everywhere
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>>3892446
that's a cheeky uraka
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>2hours

anon....
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>>3892446
this literally looks like a fucking bogg
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>>3892452
I forget the type of clothing this guy is wearing (yukata? maybe?), but it's a very 'foldable' material. Looking into drapery tutorials, it'll help. You're missing a lot of folds, and the folds you do recognize, you aren't accentuating correctly.

The facial proportions aren't bad, but the actual features seem rushed and not well-thought out. Draw eyes, noses, and lips by themselves for practice.

Otherwise....it's not bad. Okay, I take that back, it's bad, but I partially think that's because you aren't using good drawing materials. It looks like you've drawn this with a very blunt No.2 pencil. especially in the shaded areas. If this is the case, do yourself a favor and invest in some good mechanical pencils for a start or, if you have the money, a drawing pencil kit.
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>>3892513
Okay thank you for giving the feedback. I think you're right about the rushed face and especially about the lack of folding in the clothing. The real thing seems to flow a lot more and I couldn't quite get it. I'm confused about the last part though, is it normal to use a mechanical pencil to shade? And what exactly would be a drawing pencil?
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>>3892532

Drapery is weird, but it's one of those things in drawing that 'clicks' very fast once you find a tutorial that explains it well.

Mechanical pencils aren't the norm, but they're much better than just using a random, unsharpened pencil. Drawing pencils are something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Royal-Langnickel-SPEN-12-Essentials-Sketching/dp/B003B44N8W/ref=zg_bs_12896751_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=QS48PEE81XKE0GNFB50A.

Basically, it's just a bunch of pencils that have differing levels of darkness, and they're much higher quality than the average pencil. This all side, I'm not a pencil artist (I use pens), so shop around a bit before trusting that specific product
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>>3892543
Alright, I'll look into getting better materials. I'll also add drapery into the list of things to learn after I finish some more draw a box and figure/face drawing. Thanks for the help man.
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Paint seems to be great for sketching and then exporting the lines to Photoshop as a guide. Somehow drawing and erasing feels easier than on PS at least for the simple stuff.

But I'm wondering if I'm doing too much fantasy. Maybe a nice street drawing or vehicles would make me improve more.. though at my level pretty much all drawings are an improvement.
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>>3892559
bruh what in the fuck
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>>3892559
>i like to sketch on leaf with freshly made charcoal before transferring onto and fully rendering with pen and paper
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>>3892567
MS Paint has grid lines, I didn't manually do them
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>>3892582
no shit retard, this guy ripped the words out of my mouth >>3892581
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Why the hell does almost no one pay attention to the resizing rule?
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>>3892591
We're beginners, we're not renowned for our intelligence.
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>>3892591
4chanx allow people to hover over picture and resize them accordingly so few would find them a problem
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just fuck my shit up. i cant do anything right. fucking nose is giving me so many problems and i totally missed the african look
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tell me what im doing wrong
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>>3892603
god damnit just noticed the hair on her far side doesnt make sense either though i,guess it could possibly pass0
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>come here expecting everyone to be just as bad as me
>wish I was as good as literally any of the pictures posted here
AaAAAAaAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>3892607
For fucks sake dude, I understand the resizing is a bit much to ask for anons using their phones, but at least orient the picture correctly damn
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I cant into hair
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>>3892635
Honestly, this isn't /beg/ tier, the face is pretty damn good

Hair is definitely messy, but I've seen quite a few artists just roll with that type of hair and claim it as their 'style' (which isn't a bad thing, I like the aesthetic)
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>>3892635
Ask in the draw or stylization threads, you depress me thinking of yourself as a /beg/. Though you only asked for the hair, I can understand being a beginner at specific things.
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>>3892635
the strat is to just draw clumps
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I can't into beards but could use some advice on where i've fucked up everywhere else as well.
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>>3892281
me too but with some hitokaku in the way too
good luck!
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Is there a recommended Loomis order?
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>>3892446
1) Make small thumbnails before you try it with the character in the middle

Here is how you do thumbnails (you do not need to watch all the 2 hours of the video just the first 30 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWMMo1v594Y

2) Create a background composition that support the character into the picture

Understanding composition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8i7OKbWmRM
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>>3892645
>>3892648
>>3892650
ok ill ask from our /draw/ senpais then thanks duderinos
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Any tips on drawing facial features? I know symbol drawing is normal for beginners but I'm afraid I'll never improve cause I don't know the "right" way to draw them in the first place
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How can I remove the habit of tilting my head when drawing on paper? It's annoying.
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>>3892727
I mean, it belongs here because it fucks up my perspective so I have to watch out for two different things
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>>3892726
Check out hampton and then draw from reference
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>>3892612
Don't despair anon now that you are here just "Stay awhile and Listen." Post your work so people could...

>help you
or
>make fun of it

funny it may be I did get useful help from here.
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>>3892655
Google "head in profile".
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something about the shadows near the mouth are off but i cant tell what
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>>3892806
fuck its so big resized
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I think I ended up fucking this

The third one looks so stiff ..
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>>3892806
Nice cell shading Anon! Do you do comics? :3

Not entirely sure about the light's direction sadly, a bit wonky but maybe like this? The mouth area is technically a round shape with the chin being the second one so the lip areas come outwards while on yours it appears to be going inwards.
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>>3892819
Oh wow that looks a hell of a lot better, I see what you mean by my mouth area looks like it's going inwards. Thanks!

This is my first time doing this kind of cell/limited palette shading so I'm not sure where I'm going with it yet :))
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i want to into painting f a s t

here is some 10 min google image sketches i did today
is this a good way to improve/start? any advice/suggestions on what kind of exercises i do?
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>>3892828
Looks good. Continue doing this.
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>>3892828
not even /beg/
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>>3892812
not exactly sure what do you mean under stiff? Is it the pose or is it the faces or something else? Here I tried to address both.

On this I can see you didn't sue is the perspective to make the big guy look bigger and the smaller one smaller. The big guy is falling over to the left his leg should be more equally apart to support him.

The big guy's lowered arm contributes a lot to the stiffness, it feel like he is being embarrassed or unsure what the hell is going on around him.
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>>3892833
alright, i'll see what happens in a week

>>3892836
i'm pretty sure i'm /beg/ tier, the two at the bottom were done without reference
i doubt that i'm doing it right
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>>3892948
>i'm pretty sure i'm /beg/ tier, the two at the bottom were done without reference
I'm /beg/, but I'm pretty sure you're allowed to leave here.
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>>3892961
I'll just lurk then ty
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>>3892082
A common thing for beginners - and especially here, is they get too wrapped up in "what's accurate", and not "what looks good."

It's a mix of mileage and experience - that's the only way to get the confidence to wing it with shapes and have them "look right" - a beginner has no frame of reference.

People want to rush to the stage where an artist has confidence and skills, and can't figure out how to get there, when it's always going to be the same answer: practice. When you start out, 10/10 objects suck. Then later 9/10 suck, one kind of works. Then 8, then 7, etc.

There's no 'do this, then this, profit" path to it.

It's like watching a guitarist who's been playing professionally for a decade, and going "How the fuck does he make it look so easy?" The answer is "A decade of playing." The time between when he was starting out and couldn't string 3 notes together, and now, where he plays effortlessly.

With luck and hard work, you'll start feeling more confident in less than a decade. But ask "how long has that "chink" been drawing?" if you want to know how he does it.
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>>3892981
I'll add to that and say starting as a child only makes you not shit at a couple things but you don't really start to improve until you can think critically and learn effectively and efficiently. Most people were shit at 14, bad at 16, and only mediocre at 18. "I've always drawn since I was a kid" is pure marketing. It's ass busting work and study and teenagers lack the capacity for doing it well.

I'd also say that's why so many /beg/s are neurotic and lost, looking for quick solutions that don't exist and full of misconceptions.
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Is this what you wanted? Can I go have fun now?
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>>3892997

God, this shit fucking suck
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>>3892998

Where do eyes and nose go? It's a fucking mystery
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>>3893000
Stop shitposting for attention and draw 50 more faces from reference.
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>>3893000
Don't forget to resize next time.
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>>3892997
>>3892998
>>3893000
Try reading the book.
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i think bottom right is messed up but i don't know exactly where
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is it better to spend my time drawing a couple heads/faces or a bunch of not so great ones?
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>>3893047
Dig the bottom left one.
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>>3893047
looks like her shoulder is fucked and she's just laying her hand on the gun instead of grabbing it.
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>>3893051
Do that which you're the most uncomfortable with.
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>>3893047
she has ayyy shins
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>>3893055
sorry i'm shit
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I made this today and I'm fairly proud of it.
I think the colors are pretty fucked though.
the original size is 2560x1920 it looks a bit off resized.
Most of the stuff here are sketches so I feel out of place posting this, but honestly, there has to be something terribly wrong with this drawing that I'm just not seeing.
I know its petty but seeing likes when I post my art really motivates me and this didn't get a single one.
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>>3893088
1. BNHA is shit
2. It looks like you just took some frame from the manga and decided to redraw it exactly the same but only in your 'style' and color it.
While the color is ok it doesn't look anything special and just doesn't draw any attention to it. It is bland. That's it.
Also people don't tend to like stuff if you are not their friend, the art is related to them somehow or you are crazy good.
Its like with that study of women' preferences on that dateApp where they only choose the top looking guys and even then manage to lower their score from 1 to 10.
Pursuing likes is futile.
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>>3893088
the left arm looks broken into 3 places. is it intentional?
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>>3893093
yeah, I guess it is pretty bland.
It does kinda look like a redrawn frame but I drew it independently. Should I just go for crazier poses and colors to make it more interesting or is there some other way to add depth to a drawing? Oh, and thanks for the advice about likes I guess, but I've always had at least a little luck with social media this drawing seemed to be a total flop though.
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>>3893088
The shoulder looks wack af.
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>>3893088
Why did you frame it like this
Top of the head is cut off and the the right hand is barely peeking out at the bottom. I find those things pretty distracting, I think the image would work better if you take these things to consideration.
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>>3892671
Gonna spend half my time on studies (subject changes every week, currently learning simple body shapes to learn anatomy) and the other half doodling away. Best of luck to you too, anon!
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>>3893088
I would suggest trying to also choose a shading style and stick with it, You've done quite nice rendering of the face and such but then seem to have swapped to pillow shading the clothing, is there a reason for this?

sometimes the shading of something is the first thing to grab peoples attention so if you work with one shading style and get it to a level you're happy with then you might get known for that style instead of having three or four different styles within one piece

soz for bad english
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Will drawing from reference really help improve my visual library?
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>>3893344
Yes it will, it is the number one thing that helps your visual library.
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Copy/ pasting this from /sqt/qtddtot/ , maybe /beg/ can help:
I have a feeling the answer will be something related to layer mask or clipping, but how would I go about deleting work on one layer using the work on another layer as the area I want to delete? Unfortunately, the second layer is an image I'm editing, so it's not as simple as using the magic wand.
Say I have a white circle overlapping a black line: how do I delete a the line segment from the circle if I can't select the line?
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>>3893344
no thats not really how a visual library works. its far more complicated than that. it has to do deal with memorization, working from a reference means you have to try your hardest to remember what something lookedl ike and where it goes. or usually its the aesthetic they pull. everything has a function and thats what you have to try and remember you need to make connections with things to hep you remember. simply just trying to copy something for the sake of it is the worst way to build your memory, thats why morons who "study" anatomy this way completely forget it the next day.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItU59UUKxE8
How did he guess the witdh before finding the middle point?
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there is no consistency to what i put out because i cant into contruction nor anatomy. left is first attempt, right is after a while spent trying to fix it up. cant draw tits, legs, arms or how anything connects to anything else. can't do a gesture drawing without fucking up proportion completely. can't do gesture just in general, which sucks cause i consider it the most important part of a drawing.
i've fucked with hampton, the bean and robobean, and probably some other methods of construction but i can never produce an acceptable result just like that. guess i should spend more time drawing from reference rather than trying to use other people's construction methods
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does it look good?
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>>3891720
Learning to draw grills
What better way than thots
Thoughts?
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You didn’t miss me but I’m here again anyway.
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>>3893318
This is really good advice thank you.
My shading got a bit lazy by the clothes because I was a bit inconsistent with my light source and I thought It would be for the best if I just left it simple, but it ultimately made it look off. I've actually have had trouble with picking a style so thanks for bringing my attention to it. I'll start working on it right away.
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>>3893445
It is good that you keep coming back Anon, keep fighting the good fight!
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>>3893047
need more gesture before trying to apply that much structure
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>>3893467
Thanks, fren.
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>>3891720
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>>3893445
I want to pick you up and fling you off a hill.
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Am I learning the Vilppu form basics right?
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>>3893358
Honestly I like your first attempt better. It looks more natural, but I'm also beg so don't mind me.
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>>3893489
Like the stuff in the bottom right quarter.
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I posted this in the figure drawing thread but I'd like to get some critique and direction please.
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>>3893507
>has a ref
>still fuck ups this much
post ref
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>>3893488
T h a n k s , f r e n
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Another quick (ok not really this time) concept sketch on an Imperial Bird. I'm new and a total /beg/ at this, why is this so hard.
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>>3893526
Does not look very functional.
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>>3893528
I must admit that I have no idea how to attach the throne correctly to the bird.
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Help me /ic/, your my only hope.
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>>3893358
here's progress on a re-do, was a bit more careful about construction but still not sure whether it's better.
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>>3893552
Fix you proportions and line confidence.
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>>3893559
Cutting off limbs is lazy.
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>>3893358
>>3893559

Bridgman + grinding perspective (and light if you want to value/color/line variance well) is the best way to develop a strong foundation to draw from the imagination. If you value the importance of gesture, i am sure you will appreciate his ideas on rhythm mass and mechanics. Your redo is much better, keep going anon, you will see.
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Just started working with ibk, how did i do on this?
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i bucket tool lmao
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>Most of my drawing so far has been of human faces
>Not great by any stretch, but I was definitely improving day-by-day
>Decide to mix it up
>Draw a rock formation
>Ends up looking nothing like anything - complete garbage
Why are rocks so hard.
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>>3893638
Everything is hard when done at the frist time Anon. Keep fighting the good fight!
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>>3891720
I made this for Ichthyology class and was wondering if it was any good. Skeletal structure of a minnow
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>>3892100
Proportions are bad but I like it actually. Looks like an album cover
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>>3893526
Maybe have the bird less angled. If it was more horizontal or had a longer neck like a flamingo it might work. Just a thought.
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>>3893508
That's why I'm in /beg/, suicide fag.
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Doing some Brightburn fanart but not sure if the angle or proportions are right for a kid. The idea being he's lifting a car and about to bring it down on the viewer from their pov. It's the action comics #1 cover but from a different perspective.

Any advice? I'm not sure how to color/light it from this angle at all or do the cape.
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>>3891720

i have no idea how to do a gesture drawing. please critique my sketch from a gesture standpoint. i think its what im lacking.
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>>3891720
Ignoring the hairy/scratchy lines (I'll be cleaning it up later), can anyone help me with the hips/thighs area? They're not really looking right and I'm not sure why. I've redrawn them a good number of times, and while one side ends up looking right the other doesn't so they both look wrong. I'm not really sure why. If anyone can help or redline what I should be doing it would help immensely.
Thank you.
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>>3893733
dude her thighs are as wide as her rib cage. anatomy or proportion. look at a real woman. look at your drawing.
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what is this that i am doing
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>>3893760
Spooky horse perspective
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Hey BEG total newfag fresh off the sticky. All I want to do is draw porn, ideally porn comics and maybe even animation. I have no intention of a career, I just want to draw porn.

What should the path to success look like? I'm starting with Keys to Drawing exercises and copying real life pictures but it looks like an elementary schooler drew it lel. I'm willing to put in the effort I just wanna be efficient.
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>>3893765
why is everything i make spooky aaaaAAAAAAA
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>>3893771
It's the eyes
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>>3893756
I don't want to pull the "it's stylized bro" card, but my intention was to have a differently proportioned body than normal. Keeping the upper torso rather slim and long. I'm well aware how thin it is, and I'm well aware how large the thighs are in comparison.
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>>3893783
dude, you're not at that level yet. you aren't even close. I don't know you. it's not a personal attack. it's an objective assessment. if you got the anatomy right, you could play with proportions. but without at least one of them it's just a mess. you drew a kangaroo or a mewtwo or something. whatever it is, has a belly button about 6 inches too low, is about 15 head lengths tall, abs that are about twice as long as they should be, dislocated hips, wrists that are too narrow, knees and calves that are too small, straight lines for the bottom half of the leg. what do you want people to tell you? this sketch is not salvagable. start over. learn the basics.

if you think i don't know that you traced from the waist up and tried to do the rest on your own, and messed it up because you aren't experienced, then you are very mistaken.
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>>3893797
>if you think i don't know that you traced from the waist up and tried to do the rest on your own, and messed it up because you aren't experienced, then you are very mistaken.
I didn't trace anything. I've used references, but I haven't traced.

I'm also tired of people ignoring the questions. It's obviously possible to make them look right within context, as I've seen drawings with similar proportions before, but once again people get caught up on what else is going on rather than actually answering what has been asked. I never asked about the body, or proportions, or what you think it looks like.
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Do drawing boxes with VP's everyday makes a good perspective training?
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I'm going to start posting here if that is ok. I have no family or close ones whatsoever to get any feedback and I'm tired of my own self critic which is making me feel complacent.
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>>3893849
It's good, now learn to paint or something.
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>>3893797
>you drew a kangaroo or a mewtwo or something.
kek
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>>3891720
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>>3893850
Thanks. I've recently started using pastel because I feel I'm still too bad to move to painting, I also wouldnt know where to start with it and still feel like I struggle with basics.

This is something I did trying to get the hang of pastel not long ago, although someone that saw it told me the body looked wrong and too long.
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>>3893074
shoulder looks better, you should really look at how your own hand looks like when you pretend you have a gun.
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1/5
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>>3893921
2/5
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>>3893922
3/5
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>>3893925
4/5
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>>3893926
5/5
i could have afforded to put more effort into the drawing but holy shit i cant draw from imagination
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>>3893552
Practice hands don't avoid drawing them. Your proportions and shapes are off. You probably should study basic bone structure, also try to clean up your sketch a little once you're done so you can more clearly analyze it yourself and find mistakes. Personally, while sketching whether it's on paper or digital I usually start with a light color like a baby blue or green instead of sketching in black or gray and turning down the opacity of the sketch layer when cleaning up. It works much better, but this could be more of a personal preference.
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>>3893769
Draw the porn you want. Read books and apply what you need. Experiment and explorer a lot.
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>>3893561
>>3893981
Cool, thank you.
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What is the comfortable way to use gesture sites and draw on the same time?
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>>3894034

Some lame and shitty gestures
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>>3894034
that way but i resize the gesture window a little bit, also press Tab in Sai so you draw with a bigger canvas
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>>3893931
Because you're stubborn and don't want to change your method which leads to these samey looking results.
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>>3894034
separate monitor
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>>3892828
Damn this reminds me a lot of concept art, I wish I could do this
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>>3894034
In Krita you can toggle the docks on and off by pressing TAB. Maybe painttool sai has something similar?
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>>3894036
Tune the time so you can get the whole figure down, doing things half will turn into a bad habit.
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how long do you usually spend studying a piece? I've been spending like 2-3 hours each on a couple of pictures I like.
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>>3894095
Well, it really depends on what you're studying, doesn't it? Anatomy usually takes me less than urban scenery.
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Lads, how I represent a Black hole?
>inb4 black
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>>3894051
ahhh shit youre right. i noticed that her eye is too far out and the pupil doesnt line up with the corner of the mouth
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>>3894114
Make it holey.
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>>3892268
you always draw your gestures so homosexually
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>>3892635
is that that one girl who says racist things on youtube
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>>3893047
>>3893358

leave beg.
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is this one any better?
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>>3893704
You're lacking gesture.

Gesture drawing is best done from models, usually in a live setting, who do poses appropriate for it - a cheesecake/porn/thot pose won't teach you much about getsure, as it's mostly pose - and it's two different things.

I'm guessing you don't understand what gesture is, and are confusing it with pose. Gesture is implied movement, action, and energy. Pose is static, and that's what you drew.

Pay attention to the reference threads, and get some good poses for gesture - you should look for things like swinging arms and legs, dance, throwing, running, things like that. Gesture is about capturing the movement and energy in line.
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>>3894155
It's going in the right direction.

I would say work on skin, and it's hues, along with value, to push the three dimensionality of it, and over all tighten up your painting, and work on smoother washes.

The face has temperature zones, yellow on top, red in the middle, blue on the bottom for men, greens and purples for women. A couple of reasons why - the center of the face has more capillaries, so it has more blood under the surface. The chin tends more towards cooler colors, because it's often partially in shadow, and cool greens will pop the reds of the mouth.

I typically start with yellow ochre, and develop the whole face, keeping the highlights free of paint. I do a wash over the whole paint, and add paint in areas where there's more hue. I let that dry completely, and then use a crimson to push the nose and mouth, and some on the inner edges of the eyes. I let that dry, and then do an overall wash of paynes grey (and cool grey will do), to establish the darkest values in the skin, and when that's dry, do smaller washes of greens and purples to pop the lower part of the face.

You don't have to do that exactly, but that's the idea. Value and hue and temperature, doing smooth washes.

Little tip - the eye isn't outlined like that. You're taking what I'm betting is makeup, and using it for the whole eye. Use color for where there's no eyeliner.

Overall, tighten up your washes, and use more hues.
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>>3893880
The whole point is that you're too bad to paint. It makes you rethink everything about sketching because you're using the sketch as a base for form and value you weren't thinking about before. You also have to have brush control and think differently about mark making. Having to know what you're going to do at the end of a painting from the very start changes the game and forces you to build skills you didn't even know you were neglecting.
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>>3894239
I kinda know what you mean, I think. I struggle with giving clear values that aren't just flat tones and really show volumes in my drawings maybe getting into painting will force me to improve that.
Do you recommend a specific medium to start painting? Acrylic, oil or watercolors?
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bune
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>>3894354
dis is so good
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How do you determine the horizon line if you draw the character first? Also does the figure have to go to the VP?
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>>3894419
think about it this way, the horizon should be parallel with their feet or they would fall off the earth
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>>3894419
You use the horizon line as part of the composition in order to convey the emotion your picture wants to communicate.
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>>3894419
mememis
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>>3894380
scary
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>>3892603
Based on the shadow of the nose, the light is coming from the left side. That means the underside of the nose is turned away from the light and should be darker.
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>>3893925
>>3893926
This is why you don't use black to mix shadows.
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i drawd this several years ago
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>>3894477
i don't know which one is supposed to be the older or new one,desu they are pretty shit like really bad
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>>3894477
I took about 15 seconds deciphering the head from the neck. Use shadows, not hard lines please.
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>>3894483
they were drawn at the same time

update: i drew it in 2017 for a friend
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>>3893836
It helps, but without concepts, is only mechanical exercise. Training the eyes and mind to discern folds and edges as they move between geometries is the point. There are many text that discuss perspective, rummage through a couple, until you find one which suits you.
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Crit pls
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>>3894549
i like it
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>>3894550
Thank you
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How the fuck do I make the eyes I draw less flat? I'm going nuts right now
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I never should've watched this video.
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>>3894354
Looks like joey diaz
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>>3894425
I want to rape this female cartoon
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>>3891720
practicing anatomy from imagination. lines are shit. Pose also looks stiff but idk. Is this decent from imagination?
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Am I constructing these noses correctly?
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Also, what's setting these characters (Carl, Brak's father, Brak, and Zorak) off-model?
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>>3893245
the face is p. good
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Just a sketch for now so there is still room for fuckups but if you see any problem really popping out, feel free to tell me about them.
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>>3894634
lel these proportions
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>>3894634
thats a long jirou
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>>3894640
Care to elaborate?
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>>3894649
Torso is like 0.5x longer than it should be, more if she isnt supposed to be lanky

Also center of the umbrella doesnt match with the stick
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>>3894575
>no response
Goddamnit
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>>3894658
show us your eye drawings
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>>3894658
LEARN CONSTRUCTION YOU STUPID FUCK ITS IN THE STICKY
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>>3894658

>>3892732
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>>3894660
Do stylized eyes count? If not, I'm better off not posting it
>>3894662
Ok, but which
>>3894663
This'll do for now
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>>3894549
Lanky boi, you have the same problem I used to have, the neck attaches to the head incorrectly. it connects to the center of the skull, not the back.
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>>3894679
I guess they count?
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>>3894679
First make sure the perspective is right. The shape of the iris and pupils are important too as they look different from different angles. Shading the eyes also helps, it always gives things a greater sense of depth.
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>>3894653
I don't really understand where you think the torso should stop here. I think it actually looks quite long to me. I'm sorry if I'm acting like a dumb-dumb but could you do a quick redline?

As for the umbrella I had noticed, I will fix it later.
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>>3894634
Gesture of the torso especially is heavily stiffened. with the legs pointing up at such and angle the torso should be more bent and hunched over to balance it out.
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>>3894691
Im saying that its 1.5x of what it should be. cut it down to 2/3 of its size, its too long
Im a tradfag so i cant redline, sorry
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>>3894697
>>3894701

Alright thanks a lot, I'll try to fix it.
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>>3894682
Whenever i try to connect it to the center it either looks stiff or makes the forehead look too big for some reason so idk how to fix it.
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>>3893769
I started a week ago, I was working through Keys to Drawing, Loomis, Right Side of the Brain etc. and felt like I was getting nowhere until I started Drawabox, that website has helped me tremendously I feel. Drawabox starts with a very basic "how to hold a pen" type of stuff, how to literally draw a box and such, while the books say "just draw lol" without teaching you fundamental stuff like drawing from your shoulder from the very beginning. I don't really expect anybody to critique my frogs, I know they are shit but I'm happy because it's such a major improvement compared to my first drawings a week ago, because of Drawabox.
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>>3894719
You have to learn of the spine connects to the skull and the how the muscles attach to it.

Heres a proko video for the basic rundown of it.
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>>3894382
thanks, unless you're being sarcastic in that case thanks still
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>>3894339
Learning value and color is going to be the same, conceptually, regardless of which medium you choose. Each will have different ways to get to the same result.

For a beginner, for traditional work like the sample you added to your post, oil or goauche, and focus on blending color on the paper. Watercolor, learn to handle color through layered washes. Acrylic, despite it's low cost, is harder to get simple transitions and subtle effect, because it dries so fast, and blending is much more difficult.

And, I've always been of the mindset of trying them all. You don't have to do them all at once - pick one, especially one that fits your lifestyle and studio space, and try it for a couple of months. Then try another. You won't know which one is best for you any other way. There is no universal "best" for everyone.
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>>3894419
The horizon line is determined by the perspective of the figure, and followed through into the environment. Start by anchoring the figure onto the planes of space locally, like feet on the floor, and follow from there to the environment, and then to the horizon. It's all connected.
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>>3894421
And if they're standing on a ramp?
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>>3894634
It's a beginner piece that's so lacking in advanced technique, the only advice that's work giving is keep studying, draw bigger, and learn line confidence.

I'm not trying to be insulting, but this is the kind of stuff untrained people do doodling. It's not a serious attempt, showing progress, and best serves as a starting point in your education. Nothing 'bad", we all start somewhere, but it's clear you need to take the first steps into the fundamentals of drawing - the books link has links to the better one.
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How can I not suck at 2 point perspective? Do I must use a fucking ruler?
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>>3893658
>>3893507
>>3893485
How are my values looking?
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>>3894977
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>>3894980
kek

>>3894977
there are hardly 2 values in there. what u talking bro. even if u were to fill out the shadow shapes, its still pretty flimsy, but its okay I guess.
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>>3894940
if you are complete noob, then use ruler yes. if you are starting to get it, best way to freehand perspective, is just to draw the outer perspective lines. one that bends in on direction, other one in the other direction and then one in the middle. so basically ur creating a giant square from the 2 extremes, and then every line inside that just has to be somewhere between those outer angles. My favorite way.
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>>3894687
>>3894688
I think it's better if I post it on the next thread, this one's about to reach bump limit
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>>3895004
could you post an example pic of that? I really don't want to depend on a ruler and your method seems nice.
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>>3895030
actually been some time since I drew some advanced perspective, but hope it sells the idea. You basically create the 2 outer extremes, the blue and red lines. then every from the right line to the middle line is between those angles, and every line between the middle line and the left line is between those. So its easier to draw out of imagination and not be bound to perspective lines.
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>>3891749
Is this Doppio?
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Is it normal to struggle deciding for a composition? I know I wanna draw a girl, a pretty background, and something at the distance. But I haven't progressed at all in 3 days because I keep changing the subjects of the drawing, there's a fuckton of different ways to do that idea. I guess I should decide for a thumbnail but still, what a mess.
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i haven't drawn anything for almost two years i somehow gained some motivation to draw again
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>>3894181
yeah i didnt push it with the hues because for once, my drawing wasnt absolute dogshit. even though i was away of the lack of range. i tried to add a little burnt sienna on the checks for some variation but it doesnt show well.

im a little confused about the color zones though. it seems like for the yellow forehead, you could just simply mix white/yellow ocher/ trace amounts of whatever red and just leave it. while the mid zone you would go heavier on the reds (burnt sienna/carmine). but im completely lost when you get to the cool bottom area. imo it just seems completely retarded and is something you do to exaggerate the painting for its own sake. like skin doesnt look like out side of paintings
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I know it looks offputting.
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>>3895126
That's not /beg/, just unfinished. Alt thread is better for it I think. Though if you truly don't know how to make it cleaner maybe it would be /beg/
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Hey guys. So i started using watercolors (I bought a cheap child set for practice). Can someone recomend something about watercolors, like videos or book titles. It would be nice.
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>>3895132
Will post next time there, anyway i will appreciate any advice
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>>3895126
for someone who hasnt drawn for two years this is really good. you should defenetly keep it up. cause I need new fap material
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Head looks weird
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To any familiar with Drawabox, would it be ok to post the exercises here?
Also, how can one become more analytical?
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spent 6 hours today on a large charcoal drawing for class...
i no longer want to draw...
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>>3895132
that's beg you nigger just a different lvl of beg.
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Is doing something like this good for practice?
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I think this turned out pretty well. Kinds looks like she has no pants on though.
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>>3895253
of course anon, but i would recommend that you don't try to paint the colors in the image, just focus on getting the dark and the light values in the right place
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>>3895260
looks like ONE drew it
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Started 3 days ago. Learning to just draw
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>>3895277
Another. I am bad at landscapes it seems
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>>3895277
>>3895278
Noice. Keep it up, anon.
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Not even finished. Just posting this here for the keks. I think I'll stick to traditional drawing.
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>>3895278
here is your landscapes basics, a long watch, the first 30-60 minutes are all that you need really
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWMMo1v594Y

enjoy!
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NEW THREAD UP!

>>3895367

used image from >>3893344
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>>3894620
Some arent bad but you need to simplfy them.
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>>3892281
Good luck
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is there a hardcore grinding guide somewhere or should i just read every book and copy what is in it ? And how much time should i spend on each book ? ty
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>>3892674

Anyone?
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>>3891720
Whenever I try to draw a straight line using my shoulder or elbow I bend that line, any way to get over this? It sucks cause I'm doing perspective exercises using the Ernest book
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>>3897404
start with fun with a pencil, the rest is up to you



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