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Do you use screen-less tablet, ipad or drawing monitor?

For those that uses screen-less tablets, are you satisfied with it?
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I use a 10+ year old small Wacom Intuos pro. Still works like a charm. It has some minor issues that crop up occasionally but I've been able to fix them by either restating my computer or changing the nib.
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>>3947577
Screenless. Yes.

I got used to it and i have no intention of changing my magnificent 32" 4k monitor with great colors for anything else.

Right now I'm super intetested in Deco Pro.
>A ring
>A touchpad
>Tilt detection
>Sexy as fuck

Cant fucking wait for it.
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>>3947577
I've been wanting to get one for a while now, any budget tablets $40-$50 you recommend?
Or should I not be a jew and save up a bit more to buy something in the $50-$60 range?
I'm a bit tight on money atm
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>>3947601
Huion 610 pro old version must be dirt cheap right now but it has QoL issues.
Or Deco 01 which is newer, more refined and doesn't have any issues whatsoever.
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>>3947577
wacom intuos 4 medium, got that thing on release year, its fucking immortal
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I have a cintiq pro 16 and it is great. I have used screenless tablets before but screen is way better.
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Anu richfags here who have Wacom mobilestudio? I am curious how it performs.
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huion wh1409, its big but i love it, gives good precision without having to zoom in a lot and 12 keys to customise if you are into that. I'd recommend it to anyone. Before this i had a bamboo tablet which was good but i dont think i would ever be able to go back to a small one. It's a bit wierd to get used to it in the first day but gives much freedom and pushes you draw with the whole arm rather than just move your hand on a small surface.
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>>3947577
Got an Ipad pro, cintiq 13hd, Intuos Pro Small & Medium.
Honestly, it doesnt really matter, I used to think I need a very specific setup to draw good, but now I think I just need to get my shit together and draw, everything is different, but all viable.
Currently using the Intuos Pro Med the most just because I like seeing things on my big 27 inches IPS. I do carry the iPad everywhere else but I sketch on smol notebooks instead.
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>>3947637
I use a wacom intuos 4 medium too! It's a shame Wacom decided to not implement the the small oled panels next to the hotkeys on their newer revisions afterwards. Not a big deal once you get used to the key placements but still a nice feature to have.

>>3947795
I use a 1440p 27inch IPS monitor too. A lot of times it's nicer to draw with more screen space
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i use a wacom intous 2, it was made in like 2002 or something, bought it on ebay, its the perfect size for me, and its crazy how accurate and natural the brush stroke feels
but i'm constantly having problems with the out dated driver.
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>>3947702
I bought the most expensive option and even then it was pretty outdated. Screen got extremely hot after only an hour of use and a lot of the time it didn’t recognize a Wacom device even though it was one. You are better off buying an IPad for mobility. It’s a lot cheaper and the design is a lot nicer.
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I've had a wacom bamboo for 7 years. It's cheap and lasts long if you treat it well. Thinking of passing to screen tablets with an xp-pen artist 12
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huion giano wh1409 as main one on the desk
wacom bamboo when im travelling coz giano wont fit my in backpack
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I use a Wacom Intuos Pro. After years of using it, I still feel a disconnect to what I'm drawing, but otherwise I'm satisfied
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Can anybody vouch for this?

https://www.amazon.com.au/XP-Pen-Deco-01-Graphics-Battery-free/dp/B077XVZ9JY

Or, should I just go with the smaller Huion H640P?
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Is Wacom Intuos significantly better for a /beg/ than a Wacom One? Or should i just buy One + ClipStudio?
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>>3948119
I can. I use it and it's good.

Love it so much I'm gonna buy the Deco Pro on the day of release.
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>>3948119
decent
a bit buggy some time for me though
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>>3947577
>For those that uses screen-less tablets, are you satisfied with it?
Absolutely not.
I was a fool.
Don't do this guys.
Seriously.
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>>3948137
>>3948139
Good enough. I'll pick it up when I can afford it.
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>>3947577
Have some of you have migrated from a bamboo to some new wacom model or from another brand? I have a Bamboo CTH-470, it is the Bamboo Pen & Touch Tablet, it works well but I have it for 7 years or more, has 1024 levels of pressure. I was thinking if its worth to update, now all the models of all companies have more levels than that for example, and a larger work space for the same price.
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I have a Wacom bamboo small. It functions perfectly, and I'm very used to using it, but it is pretty fucking small. I'm interested in upgrading, maybe to the new 16in cintiq or something, for something nice at home. If it's worth it. I would still use the small one for portability.
>>3948189
Interested in this question too. Honestly I doubt the difference between 1000 vs. 8000 levels of pressure matters...
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>>3947577
Isn't it kinda pointless to post replies without samples of your work? I use an Inspiroy Q11K, it's pretty nice but the pen's recharge is wonky for me. It's slighlty better that inuos 3/4 that I used before and is certaingly MUCH better than cheaper huion tablets. My linework is pretty consistent with it, but I gotta switch the pressure curve for different brushes every now and then.
Now, for the question: I really want a mobile sketchpad of some sort to do plenair studies, I need great color accuracy and a bright screen for daytime painting, pen accuracy is not as important. Any recs?
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>>3947577
Wacom Bamboo Screenless

Those with screens, XP-pen 12 and 9.7 inch Ipad

Ipad is cool once you get a screen protector. Apple pen ain't too bad I got everything on sale. Not sure procreate or csp are worth it as sketchbook is doing wonders for me right now

XP-pen 12 with CSP and krita, it's okay, I should have spent more money on a bigger screen. Gets hot after an hour but it's nothing I can't sit on my lap. Need to get a better desk to properly use these. Posture is so important.

Wacom Bamboo was okay, I hated the small surface area compared to the huge size of my screen, could never find a comfortable setup for it since it has to be flat. It's better for avoiding neck and wrist pain for sure but I need to look down at something to draw. Comes with great stylus and programs despite being pretty cheap when I got it like 80 bucks for it all.
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I have collected a lot of tablets over the past few years since I graduated and found a job.
I've got a 12 inch iPad pro, Surface Pro 6, Wacom Cintiq 16, Cintiq 22hd, a Samsung Tablet with S Pen, and the Gaomon screened drawing tablet.

Despite having all of that I stick with an Intuos Pro Medium and i'm OK with it.

For years I stuck with an Intuos 4 Medium (pic related) and a shitty bulky Asus laptop. I grinded on that thing day-in-day-out.
Then I graduated and got a good paying IT job. I told myself I was going to upgrade my PC and get a big ass cintiq after I sell my Intuos 4 and retire my laptop.

Not a day has passed where I don't regret that. I really miss my old setup. It's what I was used to, it was what worked best for me, it was where I did some of my best work that I think back fondly on.
I really regret it, and cannot for the life of me get used to drawing on a screen no matter how long I force myself to do it. So i'm just trying to cope with this newer Intuos despite them being not as good imo.
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>>3948331

I feel you. I got myself Intuos 5 medium in 2013, along with a license for Manga Studio 5 - I do my stuff with those two even though I promised myself I would switch to a drawing screen when my income got better and the price of available drawing screens has gone down gradually.

It's very comfortable to just plug the USB in the front panel of my computer, and then grab and lay the tablet on my desk. As opposed to whatever power ups and plugs you need with the pen screen. It's a simple procedure and I feel it is effective and part of my workflow.

I am going to upgrade my main monitor to support my digital art ambitions later this year.
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>>3948320
>Implying tablet type determines the quality of work
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>>3947577
I have an intuos4 and a Huion 191v2. The intuos is great and has lasted years. I couldn't get over the disconnected feeling though. That went away with the display tablet and I felt like my lines and general drawing ease has improved since. Being able to see my hand during drawing made a big difference.
I wouldn't recommend Huion though. The screen feels great to draw on but the display panel is not so good. Not nearly bright enough to get a neutral white. Screen is slightly blurry due to the gritty surface. Colors are contrast appear washed out as well.
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I have a intuos medium of sorts though I intend to get a cintiq 16 for college. That's about it.
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I have an iPad and the Huion intuos knockoff.
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iPad Pro and Procreate because I managed to get a great deal on a barely used iPad Pro. I had a screenless tablet before then but I literally never used it because it was such a pain in the ass. Screen tablets win for me, I'm never going back to screenless
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>>3947577
Yikes I never realized how many poor fags there are on /ic/. Is this the fate of all artists here?
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wacom intuos 3 medium, still 4:3 ratio but somehow its not bothering me
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got a Huion H1060P last week, first ever tablet, feels really good
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>>3948320
Your work sucks dude. don't post that /beg/ garbage here.
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>>3947577
24HD Cintiq. Best purchase I ever made, and I paid full list at $2500. It's massive, and heavy, but it's a game changer - use it almost daily, since 2014. I used a variety of smaller wacoms before I got it, and they're fine. If I were broke I'd rather have a cheap Chinese knock off than none at all.

I'll probably get an iPad Pro eventually, but I don't really need a mobile digital option, and a pad and pencil works fine away from work or my home studio.
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>Do you use screen-less tablet, ipad or drawing monitor?
Screenless. Just a 3x4 inch little thing. It was an Intuos beforehand, but I lost the pen and my temporary tablet turned into my "fuck it, this is good enough."
>For those that uses screen-less tablets, are you satisfied with it?
There's a hard cap on how useful a larger screenless is, because the major flaw of screenless is that making nice, longer clean lines is a crap shoot of guesswork. Like a mouse, you course correct as you head in the vague direction, compared to the a to b, straight or curved precise as fuck traditional lines you can make. I like my freehand draftsmanship.

But at the same time I don't want to invest in a screen tablet without at least using one first. Worried it'll have split-second lag that'll make it intensely unsatisfying to draw on. Least with a screenless you can tape paper over it and get a nice texture to draw one. And just use the ruler tools or spam undo to get nice longer linework or paint strokes. Detailing and sketching is easy as fuck either way.
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xp pen deco 02, ipad pro 12.9 2nd gen

>>3947583
yeah im using a xp pen deco 02, used the 01 aswell love em both.

deco pro looks good af, kinda funny that u can use it on a android with it but thats hella desperate.
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Intuos Pro 4 Medium here, honestly I enjoy using it more than screen tablets I've tried but maybe that's because I haven't had a lot of hands on time with them.
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>>3948320
iPad Air 3 + Apple Pencil. But since pen accuracy is not important to you, consider the Microsoft Surface GO.

Microsoft pens are a jittery mess.
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Intuos Pro mainly

iPad if I'm traveling or want to quickly sketch something.
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>>3947577
Wacom Bamboo user here. It works well, but I'm thinking of upgrading to a bigger one just because it's hard to practice drawing from the shoulder on a small surface.

Would you recommend going with an Intuos or a XP Pen?
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Figure I should ask here:
2 in 1 laptops/tablets still suck, right? A friend asked me if its better to get one of those for art rather then spend more/as much on a laptop + drawing tablet, but I know nothing about 2 in 1s In terms of quality
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wacom 22ux user here.
i was poor enough to go for an used one without touch capabilities.

don't regret it. now i know its not worth and being forced to use that gay glove is not something i want.
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>>3949039
>>3948189
>>3948304
where are 3 now
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>>3949434
Pros and cons:
Tablet PC
+ All in one
+ Portability
+/- Glass screen for everything not Wacom
- if it breaks, press F to pay respects
- small working area
- one screen for everything / scratches / etc
- locked to specs

Separate tablet
+ Freedom in terms of PC specs
+ Can buy either a drawing tablet or one with a screen
+ If you buy one with a screen, you effectively gain an extra monitor
- need another PC that isn't a toaster
- limited portability
- for screen tablets not Wacom, screen calibration is a bitch
- extra desk space

If your friend travels alot, an all-in-one doesn't sound too bad as an option. I'd only recommend the Surface or the MobileStudioPro though. Anything less than 13" would be cramped.
>But the iPad
>iToddlers
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>>3949479
Thanks for the run down anon, really appreciate it.
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>>3947577
I have the XP pen 10s is nice but I have to put it away till I get new screen protectors because I'm using just the glass surface.
so I'm using my Wacom tablet for and it's still just as good.
very satisfied with both.
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>>3949509
>till I get new screen protectors because I'm using just the glass surface.
stop being a little pussy, I've been using my cintiq 27 without a procector for ages
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any thoughts on the new deco pro? what have your experiences been like with xp pen?
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>>3949557
so the glass can hold up? I'll wait, I'm a broke ass and I'm not gonna risk it.
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>>3949479
worst girl
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Was looking at getting the Veikk A15, anybody vouch if it decent or not?
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>>3948119
>Huion H640P
Mine died on me after about five months of use. Took pretty good care of it, too. Kinda scared me off of huion products but maybe it was just my shit luck
If have qualms about pirating software I'd say get the intuos s, the fact that it comes with clip studio pro makes it worth the price alone. If you don't, just get the deco
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I got a Cintiq as a gift and I feel terrible because it feels worse than my Pen and Touch Medium.

>input lag
>fucked posture
>hand covers half your drawing

Screenless suits me so much more. Either I sell the Cintiq or let it collect dust, and both options feel terrible.
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>>3949838
So in the meantime, I had actually checked out the Deco Pro which is about to launch. The Intuos S just seems like a straight downgrade as far as I can tell, so I'm probably just going to go with that, if I'm spending >100 Aussie funbucks. I'm still a /beg/, so I'm just pirating software. If I start considering drawing for pay, I'm happy to just buy the software later.
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Any recommended tablet that have multiple uses aside from drawing, i wanna listen to music, read and draw at the same time

Also recommend some apps to use
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Looks like the thread I was looking for. I need a new tablet, after my Huion H640P kicked the bucket for unknown reasons. Apparently that particular model has quality issues. Now, I'm between a Huion H1060P or a XP PEN Deco 03 (based on https://digitalarttabletguides.wordpress.com/ reviews I'm leaning more towards the Huion one, but I'd love /ic/'s input/experience). I'd preorder the XP PEN Pro but their online shop won't ship to my country, our Amazon doesn't list the thing and Amazon USA won't ship this particular product to my location. Sent XP PEN an email, hopefully I'll be able to purchase at a reasonable price. What do? I kind of need a tablet fast for I have to re-do some sketches of a paper I gotta hand in as soon as possible in order to get my fucking bachelor's degree.
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Got Cintiq13hd.
Best purchase I ever made, love it to bits
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>>3947577
i have an intuos pro medium, with a nice set of pen nibs.
It functions really well for an old second hand unit and Ive really enjoyed using it. I have a nice montior too, and I cant imagine wanting to draw directly onto some overheating little pad, craning my neck to get a good view.
I'd say im highly satisfied
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Regular Intuos medium. Very satisfied.
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>>3950619
UPDATE: well, fuck. This costs pretty much the same as the h1060p/deco 03 so I'm in a pickle here.
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>>3949479
another plus for Separate tablet is that it can go pretty big
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>>3951271
Mex-fag, here!
I'm waiting for the artist 15.6 pro
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>>3947577
Im still using a large bamboo pen and touch for 8 years. Haven't replaced any of its nibs at all and is still working perfectly. I'm not planning on replacing it anytime soon
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>>3951271
Mexicunt here as well, was thinking about getting pic related, is it good for a first digital tablet?
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>>3951319
Start with this one first, Pancho.
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>>3947577
I've got a Huion H950P. It feels great to use, It's fairly sturdy and doesn't move about when I'm using it, It has plenty of shortcut buttons and it was very cheap ($87AUD) when I got it. I would recommend it very much.

The only other tablet I had before was a really old Wacom Bamboo tablet from over 10 years ago I think and that was when I wasn't serious at all at getting better at art.
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>>3947577
first started with a wacom intuos. Drawing surface area is ridiculously small. Wacom are way overpriced for screenless tablets too. Wouldn't recommend to even beginners.
Then moved on the huion wh1409. Surface area is big so you have an acceptable amout of freedom of movement.
Right now I'm using the cintiq 16. Drawing directly on screen is fucking great. It's way too difficult to do fast precise curves with a screenless tablet. Screenless tablets may be enough for painting (hand not covering the screen) but that's about it.
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I feel like my shitty small intuos limits my gestures way too much, now that I'm out of /beg/ I wanna graduate to a bigger tablet but the bigger wacom models feel like a total ripoff (fucking 300+ bucks for an intuos pro m no thanks).
Should I go for a wh1409 or wait for the new xp-pen deco that's coming out next month?
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>>3951675
I'd wait until deco pro gets reviews and then decide, desu it already sounds better but I'm biased towards both xppen and dials
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>>3951681
I've heard a lot of people having pen jitter issues on xp-pen tablets which is why I was leaning towards the wh1409
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>>3951681
Speaking of dials. You can't customize the one on the deco pro, can you? Is it limited to just zoom +/-?
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would the Huion kamvas pro 13 been a good start into screen tablets?
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>>3950074
mail it to me nigger
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I got a XP Pen 15.6 pro and really like it
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>>3948128
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>>3954056
Why do you want to buy a wacom if you're a beg?
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How does it feel to draw on a screen tablet for example the XP Pen Artist 12? Was considering getting one but if the pen slides around with no grip it's a bit of a turn off. Do you get used to it?

Should I go for a screen bigger than 12in?
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>>3947904
New drivers still suck. I have the newest version of the Intuos Pro and drivers. Still sucks nuts. When things act up bad it takes me 20 minutes to wipe reinstall everything.
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should I get the Deco 03 or 02 if i'm left handed?

also does the 03 really much over the 02 other than being wireless?
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>>3954118
Deco Pro is going to have tilt pretty soon so wat a bit.
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>>3954357
Also, the S has already started shipping.
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I got my first tablet today xp pen deco 01
Extremely pleased with it
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>>3947702
It's really bad for my neck and wrist, also overheats.
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>>3954528
Was thinking about getting a Deco 01, would you say it's good for a beginner?
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>>3948502
I have the large Intuos3 that I've had for years and it's been severely underutilized. About the 4:3 ratio - is there anything you need to do to make it work with a widescreen, 16:9 monitor?

Wouldn't drawings turn out scrunched due to the wider aspect ratio?
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What the hell is the difference between a Huion and XP-Pen in terms of drawing screen tablets?
Say if I were to choose between a Huion Kamvas GT-221 Pro or the XP Pen Artist22E Pro, what is really the difference other than price? The Huion is more expensive at $599 and the XP Pen is $399. Both seem about the same, like, they're literally coming from the same shady factory, but just branded with different names. Is it very much a situation of "you get what you pay for" and that you really REALLY get quality for the price increase to buy a Cintiq 22HD (which I had my eyes on) or does it even really matter?
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if you can draw better then me then it would be a good choice
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>>3954736
I'd say I'm about at the same point, just wanted to mess with stuff digitally as well as learning traditionally but didn't want to dump an absurd amount on a tablet.
Most recent thing I quickly threw together on scrap paper.
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>>3954698
i think you should be able to just uncheck force proportions in pen mapping on the wacom preferences thing

and yes, your input will come out warped on the screen so you'll have to make up for that. if you traced a coin on your tablet it would come out as an oval if the aspect ratio isnt the same
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>>3947577
Surface Pro 2017 owner here.
Since CSP wasn't built from the ground up for it, it has a lot of input issues from time to time. Cursor freeze, sometimes my strokes would show up off to the side of the screen, only has 8 GBs of Ram so lag and input inaccuracy gets noticeable once your canvas is big enough or you have multiple pages open. Battery pen has weight and gets uncomfortable to use after a while. Saving up for a custom PC and 20in+ screen tablet, 11 in active screen doesn't really give me the space to stretch my arms out.

Portability is a huge plus however, drawing at the mall or library is great. And you can make finished work with this thing, being able to work outside my house was always why I got a Surface before a PC.
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>>3947601
Save up for a deco 02 or a deco pro.

02 is great entry level and solid af. Pro has pen tilt if you need it.
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>>3949509
I loved my 10s til my partner (IT guy no less) jammed the HDMI cable into the port too hard. Still worked as a tablet but the screen part is dead. Got it second hand so I figured it was better to just save up and get a different one. I have a Deco 02 holding me over til I can save for the 15.6 Pro. Tempted to get the Deco Pro but I'm itching to mess around with the 15 Pro's paralax.
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>>3947702
its a meme, my friend has one and it doesnt seem great. its pretty slow and the screen doesnt look great. highly suggest against it unless you desperately need to finish projects on the go and dont want a laptop+tablet combo
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>>3948128
intuos is the bread and butter standard tablet good for all skill levels. however i personally would vouch for a parblo that is essentially a slightly worse intuos at only $50~. i currently have a ux21 cintiq and have used intuos before and i will definitly vouch for the price/quality ratio of parblo. if you have money tho intuos is better
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After years of using an intuos pro and a cintiq 13hd I finally bought myself a larger cintiq. I found a place in the UK that bundles the ergo stand for free if you purchase the 24 Pro and it felt too good to pass up. I was never too impressed with the 13hd and usually leaned towards using my intuos but having the larger screen and 4k makes a huge difference. So glad I made the purchase.
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>>3948474
i doubt thats really it, its likely because drawing is just a hobby and most people here aren't taking it very seriously to the point of spending more than 150 bucks. what do you use, and would you post your work?
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I've been considering getting the new huion kamvas 16 pro, many reviewers say the parallax is very minor with the new laminated screens and overall quality is good. Can I trust those YouTube shills or am I gonna get chinked by huion?
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Always used Wacom bamboo tablets, then moved to an intuos pro pen and touch which was my favorite, and recently got an XP Pen Artist 12 with the display.

There are so many cords to fiddle with, the colors are different, the tablet and screen have two different resolutions so one is always fucked up, my posture is shit using it, the thing gets hot as the sun after a bit of art and it hurts my eyes. Honestly I would go back to my Intuos in a heartbeat but I gave it to a close friend as a present.

Oh well, just have to save and get a new computer and tablet when I can. Tablets with screens are a fucking meme
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>>3947577
I use a intuos pro large 2017, and a Lenovo Yoga 920 (touch screen laptop)

They are both okay but not amazing. From my experience pen and paper is still king.
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>>3953547
I'm personnally thinking of getting a kamvas pro 12.

I've heard a ton of people saying it's great for starters, and great for the price point. But i've heard a few say they are pretty bad in terms of drivers and physical durability.

I'd also like to know if the pro 12 is compatible with Krita 4.2. Krita says its compatible with all huion tablets, and huion says the pro 12 is compatible with "most software".
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>>3955141
Oh? How much are you willing to sell the 13hd for?
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>>3954724
No one?
Anyone?
Somebody?

I keep looking at youtube reviews, but it's kind of hard to decipher considering a lot of bias from receiving the products for free/going through the tablet company's review standards to receive more free stuff.
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>>3947577
Screenless Wacom Bamboo Fun Pen and Touch from like 7 or 8 years ago
The drivers are no longer officially supported but they manage to still work
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Huion kamvas 20 gt-192
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>>3956823
Yes it should be compatible.

But i would recommend you looking towards Xp-Pen Deco Pro.
Huions do work and feel fine, tgey are good for the price, but my old Huion 610p had some quirks and catches about it that were annoying.

Xp-Pen is literally flawless.
My Deco 01 is quality all around and the drivers are great, not a single issue ever.

I am literally itching to get myself a Deco Pro M the day they start shipping to my country.
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>>3957578
Honestly they are the same.

But i had a better time with Xp-Pen drivers.
And it seems that Huions don't have tilt support on screens yet.
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>>3947577
Intuos draw, the previous model, the one that doesn't come with csp, dammit.
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>>3947577
Samsung S4 or my Note 9 if I don't have the tablet with me.
Tried Surface Pro 6, Lenovo Yoga, Dell XPS, HP Spectre and iPad.
Only iPad was really good and I hated the amount of fucking noise it makes when you touch the glass with the pen, it's like I'm throwing fucking rocks at a window.

Only downside of Android is no professional art apps but it's still fine.
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>>3959392
>Tried Surface Pro 6, Lenovo Yoga, Dell XPS, HP Spectre and iPad.
>Only iPad was really good
What was the issue with the other ones?
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>>3959398
Oh, I forgot that, sorry.
This can be corrected depending on the application you use but I found most of them have line jitter. Obviously you can use stabalization and most of the programs I used supported it: Krita (terrible on windows but nice on linux), Clip Studio and Photoshop.
It's most noticable in things like Sketchbook Pro when you don't have the option to apply to each it stroke.

There's also the fact that in general, the two types of pens, N-Trig (Surface) and Wacom AES pens felt difficult to use, like they would glide. On the iPad while it did feel like there was no drag, it didn't seem to be an issue since iOS is a mobile platform.
Windows as an input device with a stylus on screen is very hit or miss.

On the bright side, I did try a Samsung Galaxybook 10.6 and it was nice, same Wacom EMR tech as my tablets but overall it was weak in specs and the updated model only came with 4GB of RAM. If the original goes down to about 800 for the 8GB model, I'd definitely buy it in an instance.
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>>3959406
>I found most of them have line jitter
Even with the microsoft pen with tilt support? From what I've read that one is supposed to have less jitter.

>On the bright side, I did try a Samsung Galaxybook 10.6 and it was nice, same Wacom EMR tech as my tablets but overall it was weak in specs and the updated model only came with 4GB of RAM. If the original goes down to about 800 for the 8GB model, I'd definitely buy it in an instance.
The OLED display kinda scares me on the Galaxy Book 12, otherwise that'd be the one I'd want.
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>>3959424
It does have less jitter and it's not bad exactly but I've noticed it enough since I do draw very slowly and it's a habit I need to break I know of.
Reasonably fast lines doesn't really ahve issue with jitter.

I haven't noticed an issue from any OLED burn in on my S4 that I've had for about 5 months now and roughly that's only on for one of two things: comic reading or else drawing
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>>3959427
Also, did any of them have issues with the cursor moving away from the pen tip when changing the orientation of the pen?
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>>3947702
I have the 16" i7 version. Just got it, but it works exactly how I wanted it to so far. It's a portable workstation more than anything, so as long as you plan to mostly use it on a desktop for long periods, it's really great. Runs photoshop and CSP very smoothly, only lags when using big brushes at huge resolutions, but it handles simple brushes on my 1GB comic PSD files nicely. It does get pretty hot, but it's not uncomfortably hot, so I use it in my lap all the time no problem. The screen is also very nice and just blows the iPad out of the water no contest. The newest Pro Pen and display feels so natural, and using the felt tips makes it feel like I'm drawing with a micron on paper. I have to use it more before I decide if I love it, but I'm finding it useful so far since I don't have to drag a cintiq+laptop plus wires around anymore to work outside my desk. The main drawbacks is windows 10, and that comes with the occasional glitch that requires a restart to bring it back to normal. Wacom updates also suck and it's annoying to ignore them. It's also very large for a tablet, but I bought it for that reason + maxed out specs. All in all, I look forward to creating on it and seeing how much I can do with it.
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I use this cheap-ass thing and I'm seeing all the fancy ones you guys are posting on here.

What's the difference?

This is a Bamboo Wacom btw.

And also, does size matter when it comes to these things?
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anyone have their deco pro yet?
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>>3959506
Size matters a lot.
Also the new fancy ones have a better pressure control.

If a bamboo only has a tensometer that measures the stress of stiff compressed plastic the huions and intuoses have a springloaded tip that actually travels some distance and allows you to control it really well.
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>>3959507
no but i really fucking want want it.
They don't even ship to russia yet,
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>>3959861
Pressure sensitivity is a meme.
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Galaxy Note 4 and Galaxy Book 12.
Used to work on an Intuos 4 M, but I prefer the portability of my current setup.
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>>3947577
Oh shit I just got this today! Their software is kinda annoying but traversable. Sensitivity is a bit high with no other option but very slow.
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>>3947577
I have a Cintiq Pro 13. It's breddy gud. A little small so kinda wish I got the 16 pro or waited and got the regular cintiq 16". Or maybe not. Idk. But overall it works well, little to no parallax or input lag.
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>>3960122
ngmi
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>>3947577
I used Wacom Intuos. The small white version. Hoping to upgrade later.
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>>3947577
I don't use a tablet :^)
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>>3947577
I draw on a surface book 2. Jitter is a bitch and latency could be better. But I don't have the freedom of drawing at my desk. I usually draw on my downtime at work or when I could get a break from my toddler at home. I've considered getting a cintiq but my current desk wouldn't allow it and I honestly don't have the space. I can't use screenless tablets. My first was a intuos, I couldn't learn on it since I had bad coordination
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Not sure if this is the best place to ask, but have you guys ever used the Procreate app on a tablet with a stylus?

I’ve only been doing stuff on paper so far but I’ve always hated it just because the clutter of having filled up notebooks and having to arrange all my books and pencils and brushes. I’ve been wanting to make the switch to digital for a long time but I borrowed my brothers tablet for a few days and I hated the disconnect of having my hands and pen on the tablet instead of the screen where the image is being drawn.

My gf recently got an apple pen 2 for her iPad Pro and she wanted me to try Procreate and I fucking love it, the convenience of digital drawing without having to get used to drawing on a tablet but looking at the screen.

Anyone else try Procreate and any thoughts on it? You think it’s a good enough tool to make some good work? I was thinking of just picking up an older iPad mode and apple pen 1st generation, probably much cheaper than a tablet
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>>3947577
Huion Q11K v2.
Pen buttons suck ass, can't use it for hand tool in Photoshop like with Jewcom.
Something feels wrong about its pen tip material. I'm not having trouble with friction being too high or too low, but I feel that I'm drawing with plastic on plastic. My old Bamboo was a bit too smooth but tactile feedback felt more natural.
Other than that it's perfect, it feels more responsive and accurate than my old wacomshit, it's fucken hueg allowing wider range of hand movement, tips don't grind into dust after a week of usage.
It has tilt support but I can't find any good use for this gimmick.
>For those that uses screen-less tablets, are you satisfied with it?
Sure, fuck those stupid overpriced toys. Screenless master race.
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what u guys think? is it worth

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wacom-Cintiq-12wx-Dtz-Tablette-Graphique-Graphic-Tablet/123792999254?epid=1462452466&hash=item1cd2a34356:g:z4QAAOSwEcxc94WU
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>>3962224
>Wacom
No.
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Do I wait for xp-pen deco pro to come out, or should I be extremely impatient and just get one of the 01-03. all I really know about the pro is that it has 8 buttons and tilt, but is that worth the wait & price? I've never owned a tablet.
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>>3962372
>buttons
Absolutely useless.
>tilt
Might be useless, might become essential part of your workflow. Better have than not have. Also Pro has slightly bigger active area which is also a good thing. Wait for Pro. Medium ofc, not small.
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>>3962390
I am another anon and I'm not looking for buttons, but I am super fucking excited for tilt.
I love using flat brushes at odd angles I want tilt so fucking bad.

And I also want a rotating dial.
I would use the dial for rotation and the touch pad for something like changing colors.
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Huron giano and an iPad Pro. Could have gone for a cintiq but preferred the portability and better screen for the price.

>>3962413
Tilt is awesome if you use it. Didn’t think it would make a difference but with the right brush set up, it works wonders. Takes forever to learn how to make brushes and use though. It opens up a whole axis of possibility that I’m still exploring but sometimes 2 brushes are better than one.
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I order the Huion H610 v2 recently, gonna have it next week. Pretty excited.
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a hand me down surface pro 3,
but before that i used a huion h610 pro

both work extremely well (although the surface pens pressure sensitivity leaves much to be desired (254 levels)
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>>3954600
I’m more into traditional but have the Deco 01. Definitely recommendable if you want to get into digital. No complaints whatsoever and the price is really good.
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>>3958264
I got that recently and I still keep coming back to my Intuos 4 med. I just can't get used to the screen lag.
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>>3947577
How bad is the disconnect from screenless tablets? Is it like drawing on the touchpad of a laptop with my finger? Because I don't really have any disconnect by using my finger or the mouse to draw while looking at my screen.
I'm trying to draw with my finger on the phone while looking at my PC and I think I'd be able to adapt if it's anything like it.

Mainly asking because screenlss tablets are stupidly cheap. The cheapest screen tablets I can find are the X-Pen Artist 12 and some Huion stuff and they are both around 9 times the price of a screenless Intuos.
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I have an ugee hk1560 and I really like it.
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>>3965621
lol if you draw with the touchpad and the mouse, the screenless tablet it will be a whole higher stratum for you.
The only problem is the first adapt of your brain to just look the screen while you are dmoving the hand and drawing separately, but it's just a matter of time, later is really easy.
Maybe if you used to draw a lot in analog media like paper, could be somekind hard for some, but according to what i've seen, it's not so much.
Just go ahead and try it, the cheap ones are fine. Just don't buy a really old model, Huion and xp-pen are really fine. Just consider... try to get one with passive stylus (no need to charge it) if you have the money, anyway those are cheap and the alternatives than wacom, like the xp-pen deco1, 2, or 3, actually i don't know what is the exact difference among those three, in addition to the design they seem super similar in specifications, only that some have more or fewer buttons
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i use an ancient bamboo pad
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just got an ipad and while it's cool i really hate the feeling of the pencil sliding around on the glass. does anyone here use a matte screen protector and does that help?
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Intuos pro large, yeah it was expensive (a little over $500) but goddamn is it nice. My main qualm with Wacom is their driver updates and how they communicate with Windows. One day everything is functioning normally then an update comes out and suddenly every time I try to make a line in Photoshop it pans instead. There are always workarounds, but honestly I just stopped updating the drivers. Other than that it's a solid tablet, literally. No bending or flexing, it's completely solid. Initially I did have an issue with the nibs wearing out, but I changed the surface out for the "smooth" option and haven't had to change a nib since. As for the size, I'm really glad I got the large and not the medium, I feel like a medium would restrict my movements when gesture drawing; but again I'm a tall lanky boy (6'3" 155lbs) so I need the elbow room.
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How are the Veikk screen tablets? I wonder if the existing regular tablet workarounds(in Linux) for that brand work.

...also, why are there THIS MANY artists trying to use Linux with CSP/Krita and using Huion/XP-Pen with them too? Yes, Linux.
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>>3965909
"paper like" protectors eat up pen tips fast. Trust me, it's better you just get used to the glass
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I currently still use a Bamboo Fun Pen and Touch like >>3965871 (though I'm afraid it's trying to fail on me now).

I also asked this in the art supply thread but since no one replied yet, anyone has any recommendations for screen tablets? I'm thinking of investing in one to see if it helps my lineart digitally since I'm never satisfied both with how it feels to do and how it comes out digitally compared to when I do it traditionally. Cintiq is far out my budget currently and I've been eyeing the Huion Kamvas series but any other tips or recommedations for one would be appreciated as well.
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>>3966080
>a little over $500
you might as well buy a cintiq 16 at that price point, the intuos pro is such a fucking scam
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Got a intous pro small back in 2017. Very nice pressure sens. Needs some getting used to for first timers though.
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>>3966264
>you might as well buy a cintiq 16 at that price point
No, I don't like drawing on screens and even if I did my hands are too large for such a tiny ass screen. Also, the cintiq 16 hadn't released when I purchased the intuos pro large.
>it's more expensive than low quality tablets thus it's a scam
No it isn't.
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>>3966434
>low quality
maybe 8 years ago, for screenless tablets nowadays huion and xp-pen are basically at wacom quality for less than half the price
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>>3966607
I agree that other tablets are catching up to Wacom and I think that's fucking awesome desu. It means Wacom will have to either make better products or lower their prices; but to call intuos pro tablets a scam is an exaggeration. If you're new to digital art, by all means pick up a budget tablet, but I have already tried a few and I, personally, much prefer the intuos pro large. I had to exercise some frugality in order to attain it, but by no means do I feel swindled as it does everything I want it to do and does it well (minus the aforementioned hiccups.) I really don't want to have to fucking charge my pen, I could call Huion tablets a scam but that would be me just being a spiteful cunt about not liking the way something is. Kinda like you bitching about intuos pros being expensive.
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>>3966136
XpPen 15.6 Pro or the Artist 12.
12 for budget, 15.6 for the experience.
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I just started to learn to draw last week. I've been having a lot of fun with it and think I'll stick with it.
Given that I'm a complete beginner though is it worth getting a drawing tablet or should I just stick with pencil and paper?
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>>3966772
Do you know if it does anything better than Huion and other alternatives? I think my current issue right now is that the 11 is a bit smaller than I'd like and the 15.6 is a bit bigger than I'd like.
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>>3967021
Welcome to drawing, friend. Just buy a stack of cheap printer paper and a clipboard. You can probably find a pack of 500 sheets for $2. At least that's what I would recommend. Starting out with such supplies should leave you feeling free to make mistakes and most likely won't leave you feeling pressured to do anything outside of your abilities. That being said, if you find yourself wanting to transition to digital I would echo many of the anons sentiments itt and recommend you pick up a budget Huion for $50. You can even find H610Pros on eBay for like $40. Good luck, Anon.
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>>3967021
Pen and paper is cheaper but I just jumped into buying an iPad right away and it was reasonably worth it but I will warn you now, do not get caught up in the "I need to play with ten different settings for six hours to get it right". You're still learning to draw so just get the hard airbrush and set it to a small size, like 5 pixels and go nuts.
Also if you're (you should be) doing construction lines, add in a second layer, set the opacity of it to like 40% and make the construction lines on that so they're less visible and then on the other layer, draw in the lines properly. Undo function is great to use, when you get past the fundementals. Don't be the beginner who constantly undos things because it's not "perfect". It's not supposed to be, you're supposed to be practicing and make mistakes so you can tell what needs improving
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>>3966710
If you can get an equally good product for a fraction of the price it kinda sounds like a scam to me, also recent huion/xp-pen models have battery-free pens
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>>3947577
I use screenless tablet
I've gotten so used to using it that traditional drawing/writing feels very weird and disorienting
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>>3947577
Have a good old Wacom Intous 5. Been using it for years. Was curious about screen tablets for a while and tried a 22" Wacom Cintiq in store, was kinda nice, but couldn't justify using that much cash on a hobby-gadget. Have tried some cheaper screen tablets, but found them rather awkward. Either the screen's too small, the parallax bothersome or annoying lag. The old Intuos is just so nice and sensitive, zero lag in the strokes and great pressure sensitivity. I'm so used to it that the hand/eye coordination thing is a non-issue for me at this point. It's pretty comfy. The only downside is the drivers acting up now and then.
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>>3968247
Scam just doesn't mean what you think it means.

However wacom are BONED.
They have been a premium luxury brand for decades having a patent stranglehold on the entire field of digital art and photo editing.

They established their company around high profit margins, their economy, expnses and wages depend on selling the Intuoses for 350$ and Cintiques for 3500$.

But whoopsie all of thir patents expired now and now a company with lower expectations and smaller buckets of cocaine realeased this for 60$.
ITS 83% CHEAPER AND HAS EVERYTHING.
>passive pen
>Tilt
>Touch ring
>Papery surface that doesn't wear out.
>Nibs that don't wear out in a day.

Wacom just can't adapt to this shit, and they have nothing to compete.
The Huion and Xp-Pen still don't have one last feature which is the pen rotation, but they soon will and then Wacom has absolutely no edge over them.
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>>3969106
Availability is still shit though.
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>>3966710
I used an old Huion with batteries and I loved it.
Such a deal for 60$ and the pen lasts for a month on a short charge.

But they stepped it up a ton.
No batteries and tilt support on all devices from 60$ "cheap" tablets that rival Intous pro M to 170$ behemoths that dwarf Intuos pro Large.
Right now they have it all.

I guess they lack the balls to overstep 1000$ price range with their displays but i would fucking love to pay 1500$ for a 27" 4k panel with 100% AdoveRGB

And i guess they could make it if they dared.
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>>3969124
Actually they could make it for 1000$ considering the Hp Z27 costs 500$.
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>>3969110
just a matter of time, in my country there are already shops selling some huion models officially, and minors shops of people who order them from china and still they are cheaper than wacom
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>>3969177
Cheaper in every way. Have fun with a product that won’t last
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>>3969177
In my country (Chile) they even sell some xp-pen models, like the deco 03 for... put it 140 in dollars, and is no waiting time or anything, i can literally take public transport and have it in my house in an hour. I'm saving money to buy it.
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>>3969186
on the other hand they sell the wacom intous SMALL version in almost the SAME price.
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>>3969179
Says your ass.

60$ is actually a lot for a solid piece of plastic with one PCB in it. Tablets are really low tech.

Xp-Pens feel like legit solid bricks of quality, and come with a usb-C connector that will outlive you.

Huions feel the same but come with a micro usb that may or may not get loose.
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>>3947577
Ugee 1910b
It’s ok but the contrast is too high and the sensitivity is kind of all or nothing.
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>>3969186
Or you could pay for EMS/DHL and get onr in three days saving 40$

Our stores also carry them but the price isn't that high.
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>>3969191

But they are better than an Intuos small.
They are legit rivals to intuos pro medium
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>Being a tabletlet

use paper lol
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>>3969218
I learned straight up on a tablet and i cant draw with a pencil for shit. Just feels weird and awkward.
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I think this is the right thread.

Hi, my birthday is soon and I'm thinking of getting either 1 of these:
Wacom Cintiq 16 (~$600) or a Huion GT-220 (~$400). My issue is that I can't seem to pick what size I want for a screen. 15.6 is the Wacom which I think MIGHT be good? But might be too small for me. But I also feel like the Huion screen (21.5 inch) would be nice but too big for me. I'm honestly torn and I can't pick one. There's also the issue where Huion might be dodgy.

For reference I work on pic related with a 24inch monitor was my screen. Issue is that this thing is too small and I've had for ~5 years.
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>>3969339
Afaik cintiq 16 isn't really worth the price.
No tilt and even the colors aren't good.
Wacom just suck giant balls at budget segment.

Take a look at Kamvas Pro 20.
>No battery
>Tilt support
>Decent panel
>Same 600$ as wacom 16

I think it's the best option unles you'd spend 800 on Kamvas pro 22.

There also is Xp-Pen artist 16 pro with tilt support and it's great except the stand is shit. The 22" model doesn't have the tilt yet.
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>>3969365
Is Kamvas Pro 20 good? I've never used Huion, only wacom so I don't know. Just don't want to gamble on something that might break. But if it does break I'll probably have a warranty.
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>>3969377
I had great times with their screenless tablets, honestly surprised by high quality and the premium feel to them.
For 500$ the chinks would sell you good shit. Hell for 500$ they would sell you an industrial robot, not just a tablet.

If uncertain check a bunch of reviews.
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>>3948474
not everyone here is retarded enough to try to make art a career
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>>3967173
Like >>3969192 said, xppen tablets usually are rigged with USB type C connectors which are sturdier than their micro predecessors. Their build quality has been getting even sturdier from my experience, the only current con that bugs me is the 15.6 isn't mountable, but that's a first world problem.
The artist 13 still exists but its an older model so it doesn't have the newer pen or pen tilt. The 15.6 pro has pen tilt and nearly no paralax, the review I saw that directly compared it to wacoms Cintiq 16 basically showed there aren't many differences between them besides the paralax and the price. The 12 has a smaller paralax than most other screentablets and pen tilt but like you said it is a bit small.

I haven't messed too much with Huion because most reviews talk about how the drivers can be problematic.
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Anybody else get their deco pro yet? Mine arrived this morning.
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>>3969948
I want the big one, I'm fuckig itching to finally get it
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>>3969386
Yep checked a bunch. I'm gonna get it.
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>>3969906
>the only current con that bugs me is the 15.6 isn't mountable
not anyone you replying to just wanted to share in this feel
got their stand, which is great, but expensive & well its just a stand. but fuggin sturdy hot damn.
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>>3969948
Tell me about it.

Also judjing by the pictures they use a new kind of pen nibs, are they better?
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>>3947577
I bought a screenless tablet and holy shit, worst spent money in my entire life.
What is the least I should spend for a screened one? I don't care about any particular feature as long as it is screened
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For those with pen display/screen tablets. How does it feel to have one around? I'm going to buy one but my issue is constantly having it set up. Are they easy to put to the side and take out?
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Xp pen Deco 3 vs huion h1060p
Which one 2 buy
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protip if you're gonna get an ipad just pay the 10 fucking dollars and get procreate (or jailbreak and pirate it, dunno how that works though) every free alternative is a sluggish janky piece of shit, at least on mine
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>>3969948
so what's the verdict? I ordered the medium but it's not gonna ship until next month
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Wacom Bamboo small baby
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>>3965871
Have been using it since ~2009, replaced it with fresh Huion only a couple months ago.
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>>3970520
ur fucking garbage.

draw more on it.

a screen tablet isn't going to make you better, retard.

now go draw.
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>>3969110
I just ordered mine from official website because shipping fee was the same as my local stores' jewery fee (and there was also some fuckery with confusion between different models). And it's still way cheaper than buying an Intuos.
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>>3947577
I have an Intuos Pro 5M from 2012, but I work traditionally most of the time.
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>>3971135
deco pro
>cool ring
>no tilt
H1060p
>thicc
>tilt
>no ring
HS610
>ring and tilt
>a bit on a cheaper jankier side
Deco Pro
>ring, tilt and a touch ring
>super thin drawing surface almost flush with the table
>premium quality, metal back, zero flex, a reliable Usb-C port
>not out yet

And while I am praising the tablet nobody ever touched yet, knwoing Xp-Pen quality even on their cheaper models i am fucking sure it's gonna be GREAT in all capital font
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>>3972060
>deco pro
Fuck i meant Deco 03 ofcourse.

BTW the build quality and feel are just top notch.
Huions aren't terrible either, they feel fucking good for 60$ but xp-pens are just a little bit more pleasant to the touch.
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>>3972064
ID be all over deco pro's dick but it's coming a month from now and there's no official sale channel in my 3rd world country yet, I really a tablet now because I'll be using it for a paper that will get me my fucking degree.
Which one would you buy in my situation?
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>>3972083
Well choose between having a rotating ring or having tilt.
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>>3972138
Tilt is is then. Thanks fren.
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I'm considering getting a huion new 1060 plus.. How fast does it eat through nibs, can it last forever if I'm careful? I found a half price deal but it doesn't include any extra nibs, just 1 and the tablet
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>>3972215
y not H1060P?
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>>3972215
The nib could last you months, but you're going to buy an old tablet with a battery pen, no tilt and a micro usb.
>can it last forever if I'm careful?
It will last you long enough for the 2$ bag of nibs to arrive from china.

However the battery pen itself will stop holding charge in a year or two.
Also the chinesium micro usb ports are a point of certain failure.
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>>3972217
I thought the new 1060 was cheaper and just as good.. Sorry If this was already discussed I'll check the thread, but I can get it for $68 while the H1060P is $126 at the minimum and I'm not sure it includes extra nibs as well
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>>3971843
>hurr your not real artist if handicapping yourself keeps you from drawing good

>a screen tablet isn't going to make you better
At least it doesn't make me worse like a screen-less one.
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>>3947577
my question is if the huion H1060p has a old version, because in my country a lot of people sell it in some places, but in some they put 8192 levels, in others they put like 3900 aprox. with a grong number like 3.8192 so i guess they write it wrong, it only exist one model of the H1060p?

I think that between the h1060p and the deco 03, the h1060p could be the winner in the drawings aspects right? because they are the same in specs except for the tilt that the huion has and the deco don't. The others things are just somekind of cosmetic and for comfort, like the wireless option and the wheel of the Deco 03, but in that sense it could serve more the huion that has more buttons, and the wireless thing is not so decisive in reality.
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>>3972255
It had like 3 or for different iterations with different features.
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>>3972255
There are older versions of the H1060p with a battery pen and without tilt support.

They aren't the same.
Huion are kinda lazy.
When the battery free stylus patent expired they didn't make a new tablet. they just re-released 1060 with a battery free pen but in the same enclosure and same name.
When the tilt patent expired they did it again.
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>>3972275
damn that is some lazy shit. I was checking in their web and they have two versions one with a rechargeable pencil, and another one without the battery.
I think i'm just gonna save for the deco, they have drivers in their web and all so looks fine, and the tilt is no really important, i use a old wacom bamboo so never know about that.
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>>3972279
Tilt is awesome if you have it and learn to use it. Don't discount it over a small jump in price, it used to be the only reason to get an intuos.
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>>3972279
thanks for the help too guys. This was a very informative thread.
If i get the deco 03, i'm gonna do a review for the guys who wanted to upgrade their bamboo wacoms, or models of other brands with similar characteristics, and post it in this thread if is still alive, or in future ones.
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>>3972279
Just make sure you buy the tilt version m8. In all of chink tablets, wireless mode is always laggy and not worth it.
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>>3972301
by the time i get the money maybe i'm gonna be capable of getting something like the INSPIROY Q11K V2, is wireless, more active area 11"x6.87", and tilt support.

But whatever. Thanks for all the info guys help me a lot. Regardless of the model i'll buy, i'll make a review so you know and everyone can better inform themselves when think about updating the old tablets
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More of a monitor question should I trash my 2 1080p monitors (one is portrait mode to my right and the bigger one is landscape straight ahead of me) and get 1 like 27"-30" 4k screen?
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>>3972337
A good big monitor sure is a pleasant tool.
Having good accurate colors is a must, all of the works I made on a shitty TN monitor have fucked colors.

High resolution and size won't make your works better but they surely will make it comfy and pleasant.

>Should I trash?
Why?
There can never bee too much space,
You could use them for references or imagine you're live steaming and keep discord or the chat on the side.

I have this one and it's a WONDERFUL buy for 500$.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBQGODD5CUw
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>>3969906
Thanks for the help, though i decided to get a the Huion Kamvas 13 in the end after looking between a few more reviews and the size. I haven't had it for long but everything seems fine so far (I never knew how much I needed more than 2000 lvs of pressure sensitivity), though I will be definitely keeping what was said about the XP-pen for future reference.
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>>3971843
This. Screenless tablets are serviceable
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>>3947577
Have this tablet in my amazon wishlist.
Seems like a decent alternative to Wacom one of a similiar size.
Is it worth it?
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Could anyone with a S-Pen device (ideally a Galaxy Book) do the test in webm related and tell me if the cursor stays under the pen tip?
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>>3972865
If you don't need one right now then wait a bit for the deco pro with tilt and dual ring.
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>>3972246
I can draw both on screenless and a display tablet.

Literally no fucking excuse.

NGMI
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What the fuck is that ring shit that makes tablets look like early iPhones and why do you guys list it among actually useful features? Isn't it just a glorified button?
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is it worth going from intuos 3 large - > intuos 2017 pro medium?

I've been using the intuos3 for like 1.5 years and it's been great, but got it used and it has bunch of scratches/holes, tried finding new pads but it's impossible to get them where I live.
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>>3972246
You must have literal brain damage if you consider screenless tablet a handicap.
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>>3973211
>is it worth giving more money to jewcom
No.
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>>3973207
It could adjust a photoshop brush size without having to click a button 20 times or rotate canvas.
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>>3973211
>tried finding new pads but it's impossible to get them where I live.
You don't have mail where you live?
Can't order from amazon or ali?
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>>3973376
So it's useless shit unless you only have one arm or don't have a keyboard for some reason.
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>>3973415
technically yes, it is only better in terms of efficiency, but not mandatory. It's like the quick access buttons, useful but not indispensable.
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>>3973415
depend on your workflow
if it require 10+ hot key then yes it is pretty useless
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>>3947577
and old screenless genius mousepen drawing tablet that still works fine and isn't any worse than wacoms I used a lot at work and digital painting classes. May be even better but I don't really care about comparing, I just know it works totally fine.

And an iPad Pro 2nd gen 12.9". It's good and got better as Procreate got many good updates.
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>>3947577
I've been using a Wacom Intuos Pen Medium for the past 4 years (the grey one with black on top). I've been looking to upgrade to either Huion or XP-Pen, in fact I'm feeling impulsive so I might do it RIGHT NOOOOOW HURRY UP NAME THE BEST TABLET UNDER 100 BUCKS
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I still use my 12 years old wacom intuos 3
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>>3947577
I have a surface pro. Cracked my screen. ;') using my wacom intuos til I can buy a replacement screen. my intuos is 7 years old d still kickin ass
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I use an old screenless wacom intuos. I'm satisfied.
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>>3973892
>Intuos 3
They didn't get any better since then.
It's like a rocket, when you achieve the optimal design there's no room for improvement except some fluff and software features like landing.
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I had never heard of Deco tablets before and somehow this thread is now filled with people recommending them.

Seems a bit shaddy honestly.
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>>3975919
>I'm ignorant
>Must be corporate spies
You're retarded.
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iPad Pro.

No regrets coming from a surface pro 4. iPad is leagues above it. So much more accurate and easier to draw.
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/beg/ here, i've made some research about budget tablets and everyone points me towards the wacom intuos. Is it really THE tablet to get for a beginner? Pls help
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>>3975919

Wacom's tablet tech patents ran out so new companies are popping up, XP pen is a Japanese R/D'd and China made tablet where Huion is all Chinese developed and made

Xp Pen was hyped on Japanese sites and JP Twitter and then english speakers learned about it
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>>3975919
I can see that.
>be me
>10 year old wacom bamboo pen explodes in my hand.
>I could use something bigger anyway.
>bounce between here and /g/ before I learn about "Wacom Alternatives™"
>Get a display from eBay by xp pen via auction for cheap. (Apparently just too small for the sellers liking)
>pretty sturdy, drivers are pretty cool
>I miss my screenless so I buy a deco 2 for the green wheel thingie.
>Drivers are even better, pretty big drawing area, solid build, cheap as fuck
>got the holiday bundle because it was cheaper than the base model
Its always a gamble to buy from brands you don't know but I feel like any artist does that. Besides, the less money I spend on Wacom the more money I can spend on other supplies.
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>>3976056
Did you get the Apple Pen or something else for the stylus? Was considering getting a Mini for casual sketching
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>>3977064
I have the Apple Pencil 2.

Honestly, it’s great. My biggest problem with the old surface pro 4 was the jitter and the parallax. I think they might’ve improved it on the newer surface models idk. I can deal with the jitter (photoshop, csp have line smoother) but the parallax was bad. It’s funny because it wasn’t that noticeable before I got the iPad.

But jumping straight into the iPad Pro is like night and day. It’s faster and like I said more accurate. Literally zero lag. It marks where it should be. It doesn’t feel like I’m drawing on glass.
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to anyone using ipad, does the screen protector affect the pen and its sensitivity? normal one, as I heard matte/paper feeling will dull the tip so it's a deal breaker
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>>3977151
Yes it does. Some screens can cause more jitter and phantom touches.

I had this problem where I couldn’t draw perfectly straight lines diagonally because of the screen protector. I had to rip mine off.
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>>3977161
well damn, thanks
I suppose no screen protectors for now
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>>3947577
ipad pro 11" w/ apple pencil

its immeasurably better than my pc tablet, but thats mostly due to my pc being slow and my unwillingness to learn the programs
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>>3947577
Been using the Huion 1060 plus.

It performs fine but I just CANT get used to screenless tablets (had a bamboo then Pen&touch before this).

I'm now saving up for the 15.6 pro. I have enough for the 15.6 basic right now, I'm tempted to just get that instead because I really want to drop this screenless shit now.
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Are there situations/circumstances where the small one would better than the medium one?
Outside of the price and the portability factors, that is.
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>>3977500
No.
While the Large size tablets may be uncofortable for the people who are used to drawing with their wrist and don't want to move the shoulder the Medium sized tablets are the optimal size for anyone.

Except perhaps children and midgets, they could enjoy the small one perhaps.
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>>3951675
Got the wh, it's pretty comfy, worth the money imo.
If I had to choose once more I'd go for 1060+ and stick with it until I can afford a screen tablet.
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>>3977500
I hate these chinks for delaying this tablet launch and not having an official sales channel to my shithole country. Bought a Huion H1060P in the meantime because needed a tablet asap. I'll wait for reviews, if the Deco Pro turns to be a flop (delays usually meant unresolved issues/quality control issues) then I dodged a bullet. If it's everything it promises, guess I can resell my tablet and buy XP PEN's.
also no reason to get a small sized tablet unless you are really really limited by budget, in which case wait and save up.
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>>3977611
Deco pro seems to have a whole new pen with new nibs.

I hope it removes the nib wobble, the tiny little sideways wobble the chink pens have annoys me, doesn't really get in the way of drawing but it upsets my autism.
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Is one of these things worth it, or any other better alternative? Keyboard right now is in an awkward position
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>>3978629
a joycon and some freeware will do the same thing, so if you already have a switch...



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