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So lately this has been hot topic, and I’ve been wondering if anyone knows some tracers/art thieves, or if that you currently suspect one?
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There's no such thing as an "art thief" it's only you bitching and moaning because your work did not appeal to the masses whereas someone else did after they took the concept you used. There's no such thing as an original piece of work. Prove me wrong.
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>>3967697
Go back under the bridge you troll. Learn how to read.
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>>3967705
You've stated "if you currently suspect one" you are taking a dangerous course here; it's as if you accuse your neighbor of being a witch and then incite them to be burned at the stake. We're not your personal army, fuck off back to Plebbit or whatever cesspool you crawled out from.
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>>3967695
It's not stealing, the'yre paying homage
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>>3967709
>>3967709
Not sure what you mean by my person army loll. Such a delusional mind you have there. Just very curious if anyone has some new information. Sure let’s burn some witches
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>>3967695
That shit was years ago and he apologized for it.
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The worst tracing, is the tracing retard trace your work and he gets paid for it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlvGzDiiYUg
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>>3967997
Wtf is this garbage.
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>>3967695
>tracing the official art and scenes ripped straight out of the movie

this nigga
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>>3967695
I paint over pictures, photobash and trace over 3d backgrounds and i get paid to do it
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goes to prove that sculpture is a superior form of art
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>>3967753
t. KR0NPR1NZ
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>>3968018
What about black mold
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>>3968015
These guys don’t realize Rockwell, Michael, struzan, and tons of other artists used “photobashing” with the technology of their time. Tracing is just another tool.
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>>3967695
You'all just jealous because he made it into the industry big time.
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>>3968091
Literally who?
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>>3967697
Post your work so I can trace it.
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>>3968057
>Tracing is just another tool
Problem is when you trace an entire composition. People who photobash still end up with a composition of their own. If you trace an entire screen cap from a movie then the most difficult and interesting aspect of an art piece has been solved for you. You just can't claim the result as yours without at least crediting what you copied
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>>3967997
memes
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>>3968057

First of all, tracing and photobashing are completely different techniques.
Secondly, illustrators like Rockwell stylized their reference and freely changed positions of limbs and expression to suit their work better.
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Yes! a chance to talk about this "artist" I hate!
Stevechopz (https://twitter.com/stevechopz) is a blatant plagiarist and no one seems to care, he's been stealing from Gashi-Gashi (http://twitter.com/uejini) for a long ass time now

https://imgur.com/gallery/haeNsEk
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>ITT
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>>3969216
>>3969219
>>3969225
>>3969227
>a weebait pron artist is making money by stealing art and nobody cares
>its probably not the only one because only few people seem to care
The end can't come soon enough
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>>3969227
>stealing only from one source
fucking based
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>>3969227

>>3969230
we don't know that, he might be stealing from more people too. For all we know, all of his shit is stolen
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>>3969246
>>3969227
>>3969225
>>3969219
>>3969216
>literally only taking poses,
>all of these character designs are different.
Why should I care?
these degenerate faggots probably took the poses from somewhere else anyways.
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>>3967695
what if... i stole art... for people who stole art... and just use other images of other guys who stole art as reference?
like use this girl of Stevechop, but in a random pose of other artist

Or even better, i could stole art, and learn a basic 3D pose program and place better lighting to copy from that, just trace it, put the better shadows, and grow up the tits and ass as required.
Just by copy the pose of drawing and do better some things you can do like 1 drawing per day, 1 post per day is all good
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>>3969268
are you being disingenuous on purpose or are you just stupid?
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>>3969287
Do both of these 2 know each other?
If thievery is that easy then I see no reason not to do it.
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How do you guys tell if something is traced?
Most of the examples posted ITT could just be someone using the original as a reference since only the poses are the same.
Not trying to derail the thread, just curious what the undeniable proof of tracing is that you guys can apparently see in these.
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>>3969292
Overlaying is really the only way.
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>>3969292
Bro what? are you saying that just maybe they used the same pose, style, expressions, and angles *by coincidence* 50 times in a row?
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>>3969340

At this point I'm pretty sure people have exhausted 98% of all poses.
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>>3969340
Not him, it is a possibility that they heavily referenced the other person 50 different times and not trace them. >>3969296 is the only viable answer.
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>>3969366
With the exact same Perspective and Foreshortening?
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but my point is not tracing; it is plagiarism. I'm honestly tired of explaining this.

It's not "heavily referenced" clearly. You would need to try really hard to think this naively.
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Bruh I'm just answering the question, you're segmenting into a whole different topic. Obviously it's bad and wrong but I'll take the small time to care and say that for some of these examples, you can't match them up by overlaying them, thus they didn't trace it.
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>>3969219

>in the copied version her left boob is fucked up
Triggered! Learn to properly draw huge tits dammit
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Two years ago i was so obsessed with getting anatomy and proportions right i'd trace over photos of people every single time. I think a lot of the time it can come from an obsessive/insecure/perfectionist mindset. I did it when i would compare myself to oblivion to other artists i loved.

Thankfully i cut that shit out and although i rely heavily on reference, i haven't traced anything since.
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>>3967697
I hope someone becomes a very rich and accomplished artist by tracing something you worked hard on and they never credit you. They don't even acknowledge you. They just take the reward you earned them, wether you wanted to or not.
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>>3969395
meant to quote >>3969369
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>>3968091
i honestly don't get it. shitposting about the tracing/heavy referencing or whatever aside, his characters just aren't very distinctive at all.
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>>3969216
>https://imgur.com/gallery/haeNsEk
Lmao what the fuck, he can't keep getting away with it. I get it if he copied many artist but it's just that one dude.
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>>3969219
>>3969216
>>3969225
>>3969227
>>3969246
>>3969287
who cares about porn art lmao its like whining about burger king copying mcdonalds have sex lmao
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>>3969618
What if hes stealing art from himself?
What if his main account has all his original work then he uses an alt to steal from himself for easy publicity.
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>>3969268
>apparently referencing a pose that's probably similar to many images of such pose is considered plagiarism
>Any pose, including standard standing position, is considered plagiarism
So basically, everything you do is plagiarism.
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>>3967697
Don't cry on /ic/ when your art is "stolen".
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>>3969527
it's a heavy case of bland sameface for his "style"
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>>3969216
>>3969219
>>3969225
>>3969227
>>3969246
>>3969287
Based Steve
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I mean, we got the major recent one that's been yoyo-ing up and down the board for the past couple of days.
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>>3969216
jesus christ there's nothing more worse and cringey than a filthy western pig trying to emulate a cool westaboo style and replacing the author's favorite characters/OCs (which he has a genuine passion for) with his popular fad waifus for cheap clicks- or maybe to delude himself into thinking he's an artist because he's lazy as fuck
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>>3970141
>they stole my illegal prints of licensed characters!!!
L M A O
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>>3969692
shut the fuck up turbo virgin
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>>3970141
Seriously leave that girl alone she didn’t do anything wrong. Fucking bullys.
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>>3970616
>traces someone elses work and then sells it
>harasses original artist when called out
>didn't do anything wrong
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>>3967697
Observe! Someone who's art is not good enough to be stolen.
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>>3967697
oh goodness
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>>3970726
check this guy out! a NGMI in his natural habitat
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>>3970616
It’s not like she’s a child she’s a 30 year old women. If they want to expose her for them tracing several artists’ work let them. This is not bullying for god’s sake you are on ic. Bullying would be making fun of her looks are them talking about how badly drawn her art is.
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>>3972381
She still putting out badly traced work, dear lord.
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>>3967695
what can i say? it's completely traced from cover work of one of my favourite artist = Shigenori Soejima. Proof - [link]

Please don't do stuff like this anymore.

I believe that you can draw for yourself without plagiarism. Please be honest with yourself.

Oh It's too short for 100 words for critique, so let's put some tags

Tracing plagarism plagiator thief traitor umm, not so sure if i can find something else bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla

Goodluck and happy new year!
fucking cocky piece of shit, This fucking statement makes my blood boil. Fucking idiot disgraceful, hes not an artist he's a ramping idiot who knows how to copy stuff and those who defend them are also a piece of shit.
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>>3967697
lol idk how someone can be this fuckin dumb. Sick reaction pic tho, i can really tell what type of a cockbag you are cause of it
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>>3969287
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>>3973983
Oh wow, I thought I was going to give him some credit for reposing the hands but even that's copied, lol.
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>>3973983
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This seems like a problem that could be easily avoided if you just made real art instead of retarded anime shit that any moron can (obviously) copy and profit from.
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>>3970141
Jesus fuck this bitch is delusional
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>>3967695
Tracing has actually become increasingly popular in the pixel art community thank to programs like Pureref. This is the cause of the massive boom we have seen in pretty landscape pictures. ITS REALLY EASY to make God tier pixel art if you use Pureref, have a decent gradienting palette, and stick to big landscapes.
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>>3969216
OH NO NO NO NO
This is your average /ic/ poster. Fiction is not reality you faggot.
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>>3975407
>it doesn't hurt anyone
>It's true

Imagine btfo'ing your own argument
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>>3975407
honestly i don't give a shit if you do this on 4chan or not and don't expect anyone to stop. The point was social media, I thought that was pretty clear
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>>3975413
You clearly dont have eyes.
"who do you think you are fooling? Yes it's a drawing. A drawing of a child having sex. Your intent is to draw child porn.
This person thinks that fiction=reality
Hes just a faggot
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>>3969219
Tracer-kun doesn't even know what he's doing kek.
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>>3968109
Welcome to 4Chan, I hope you'll enjoy your stay.
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>>3969956
Just like Rembrandt.
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>>3967695
Does anyone have those images accusing artist Toosan: https://www.deviantart.com/toosan/gallery/
From tracing back in 2012?
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>>3969456
same.

i like realism and it doesn't matter what i do - i'm never, ever comfortable with my proportions unless they're traced from stock photos/selfies/dolls.

it's not laziness for me. i studied for years. it's just a paranoid/insecure feeling that something's wrong and i can't see it.
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>>3967695
id say it comes down to the individual doing the tracing. if the tracer openly admit they trace then it really just means that they are still an amature artist who needs the help (by tracing) and they should be given the support to improve their skills to stop tracing,

if they trace, deny they trace and yet its obvious + the added bonus of monitizing then they are an idiot who doesnt deserve the sypathy the first type of tracer gets.

ones and ammauture the other is an idiot
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>>3969216
Both are degenerates, one is a degenerate AND a thief.
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>>3969527
That's why he "Made it" desu.
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>>3975407
this was a good conversation until "socially acceptable", does this idiot think if it were socially acceptable to jerk it to CP that would be ok? It's fucking degenerate no matter what society says.
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>>3975942
>does this idiot think if it were socially acceptable to jerk it to CP that would be ok?
No thats not what im saying at all
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>>3967695
Titus Lunter, another successful art thief.
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>>3975407
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https://www.instagram.com/alternativescratches/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjjYFyrm7UU&t=43s
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>>3976348
I mean I get what they're saying and to a somewhat logical extent they're right, but it's still wrong. Very very wrong.
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>>3976348
that's basically the same thing I said but seen from an apologist perspective. I get the logic - real life != fiction - it just doesn't stand up to real life social acceptance scrutiny.
How do you think a mother of a child would think if she was sitting next to someone who masturbates to drawings of little kids getting dicked by a fat 40 year old serial rapist? Or if she saw people posting that on facebook? The answer is obvious. That is why people don't want to normalize masturbating to drawings of little kids. People are not going to allow you to do that because the popular consensus is that it is messed up. That is how laws work, the majority wins.
but then again **I** don't care if you do it or not. The main point is that Twitter (or anyone else) is obviously not going to allow that on their social media platform because would freak people out. I think my point was very clear, I'm going to stop replying to this as it has nothing to do with the thread and obviously, I'm not going - nor I really care to - change your mind or convince you in any way to stop.
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Is it okay to trace if you credit the person you traced?
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>>3976357
>I get what they're saying
>they're right,
>but it's still wrong
YOUR RIGHTS END WHERE MY FEELINGS BEGIN: the post
>>3976447
>apologist persepctive
nigga how is this apologist? If anything its a fucking fact that you people just don't want to admit or acknowledge.
If you want scientific research, there's a 2012 Danish Study that explicitly states that there's no correlation with loli and actual child abuse.

>How do you think a mother of a child would react to seeing loli on facebook?
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHHAAHAHA
oh god you know NOTHING about otaku/doujin culture do you? yeah fat smelly neckbeards totally hang out at face book and not shit like deviantart or pixiv. at this i the point where you are trying too hard.

>majority wins
yeah back then slavery was the majority in america. guess they were morally right during that time huh? can you see how retarded your logic is? if you say anything like "but if I use this in this specific example-" then you're doing mental gymnastics to avoid how stupid you look.

>but then again **I** don't care if you do it or not.
>not going to reply to this thread anymore
its okay, you're getting a mental overload and you need to go back to your echochamber safespace. I support you *hugs*
god bless, keep fighting the good fight by reblogging/liking popular tweets (because volunteering in shelters, etc. is too hard) bro ;_;7
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>>3967695
trace thread 9000
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>>3977536
are you illiterate or just pretending?
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>listen to ilya podcast from 9 days ago
>MFW he says that he is going to keep drawing his joke of a manga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN0XOgkEizg
the podcast btw
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>>3976500
you should probably directly ask them permission to do so first
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Fuck porn and fuck porn artists :^)
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>>3975422
>This person thinks that fiction=reality
Half of the inventions you zoomers are using today were fiction 20-50 years ago. Fiction /= reality, because science makes fiction reality. The real life version of loli is child porn. There's the distinction, if children didn't exist then loli would be a purely fictional construct. But it isn't, because children came first and Japan made porn based on them. It's literally in the definition.

The only defense to allow loli is the hope it DOESN'T hurt the real thing, but it's such a gray area that that works you might as well just kill pedophiles first before giving them the benefit of the doubt. Funnily, I see many threads when the topic is "Dumblr/Twitter/etc is banning porn" with responses being "kek get fucked pornfags" yet when drawing porn of children gets banned responses like >>3975407 get retorted. I get it, 4chan is 100% full of hypocrites, but the best way to be sympathized with is to have some self awareness and acceptance of said awareness. Which is what 4chan users fail to have 99% of the time.

/blog.
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>>3979172
>Science can make 2D lolis real
This is your argument.
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>>3979215
>Implying
You smoothbrains underestimate the power of science
https://nypost.com/video/man-marries-virtual-reality-hologram-in-18k-ceremony/
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I really dislike Ilya Kuvshinov's art because it's just the same girl with the same eyes and even the same hair style drawn in slightly different poses, but hardly any expressions.
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>>3979172
>"Dumblr/Twitter/etc is banning porn" with responses being "kek get fucked pornfags" yet when drawing porn of children gets banned responses like >>397540, I get it, 4chan is 100% full of hypocrites
>4chan is a hivemind
say every redditor/newshit ever that can't grasp the concept of anonymous image board lmao
you lack self awareness retard, lurk or go back
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>>3979316
I'm a 2014 newfag, I'm far aware I'm not really part of the "4chan culture", doesn't stop me from posting hypocrisy were it belongs. Sorry if this bothers you lot but it is what it is.
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>>3979422
What hypocrisy? Already explained to you that 4chan isn't a hivemind. Your assumption that X anonymous posters are the same Y posters therefore 100% of the board is hypocrite is blatantly dishonest.
You're making a statement based on your own logical fallacy, If you don't want to be called out then don't make retarded arguments, that's just how it works.
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feast your eyes upon the 500 dollar trace
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>>3979891
>Dress as a girl yourself and trace it
Hamada is absolutely based as always
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>>3969216
>soul vs. soulless
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>>3979893
>>3979891
To manly for being my own reference
>feelsbadman
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>>3967695
How do you post anything without it "looking like someone's else work" when there's so much out there these days? It could look like something you never seen before. Also there's only so many possible ways to draw a certain pose.
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>>3969216
This level of tracing is horrible but no one can copyright their style to prevent others from using it. I doubt every artist took major stylistic elements from hundreds of artists when in reality it's probably less than 10.
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>>3967695
whats wrong with referencing
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>>3975881
>insecure over proportions
>not insecure over your lack of skill to make realistic proportions
unironically not gonna make it until you stop
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I don't think art thieves are a problem, I think that people who think thoughtless cartoon illustrations are important enough to care about authorship is the problem

you guys should engage with some art outside of the internet for once so you can see that all the shit this board obsesses about are non issues
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>>3967697
>There's no such thing as an "art thief"
based
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>all this con tier flame war griefs

i have not seen one original character itt
you're all yelling about stealing

why not simply work at being untraceable
or something worth tracing

all this shits ugly inside and out

have some taste

having said all that can someone please post some disfigured corpses and dead fetuses i want to see something appealing
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>>3972381
>>3972597
>>3970616
>>3970141
Now the bitch is trying to bring it back on the artist she stole from by calling them racist.

https://www.instagram.com/p/By84WonnxOo/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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>>3981328
it's unfortunate. when that thread was posted here, I knew it was already over for them. it doesn't matter if they say, or have ample proof, that they don't condone the behavior. They are tainted by the specter of 4chan and by the few retards that would not have sent anything at all, had it not been brought to their attention.
at best, they will be free from any direct accusation of racism, but they will never enjoy the full growth they could have received had they kept this to instagram or twitter.
No major artist wants to risk visibly supporting a cause that is in anyway connected to this place or, however far removed it is from the artist themselves, the usage of the word Nigger. No one in this era of anti-victim blaming is going to say: "Well, she deserves those comments because she is an art thief".
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>>3969706
yes, everything is traced, because everything has to come from somewhere, when you draw something there must be PROOF that what you did is possible, so this is why you need a photo of same pose and angle.
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>>3979215
I rather have cartoons made real, since they are like Satan spawn.
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>>3980865
This is a reference. Take an idea and use it to your advantage to tell what you want (your pic)
Tracing, plagiarism is taking something as a crutch for your lack of skill and or creativity (Kr0n). Learn the difference.
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>>3972952
kek
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>>3975365
what I have pureref
how does that help in anything? its just for displaying refs
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>>3969216
People like this should be called out on all of their tweets or smth
how is he getting away with that shit for so long kek
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>>3981858
some parts of the image are almost exactly the same, just with miura's artstyle. whats the difference
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>>3967695
Just paint over photograhs and use filters so no one can find the original
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>>3979891
yaaa babby



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