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You can't learn Japanese without reading!

Get started:
itazuraneko.neocities.org
djtguide.neocities.org
All resources you need: itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/cor.html
Previous threads: desuarchive.org/int/search/subject/DJT

Previous Thread: >>97094459

パンツァーフォー!
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>>97207644
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Is there an easy way to tell the pitch accent just by the word itself?
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>speaking
lol
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what is it with americans and those fucking pitch accent questions
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>>97208653
>>>/jp/djt
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>>97208790
I’m not the first?
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>>97208796
why would anyone want to post there anymore, jamal fucked it completely
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>>97208895
no and no, I don't think there's some easy way

anyway, there is some (japanese?) website where you can enter japanese words and it illustrates with some line the intonation, but I don't know how to find it right now
maybe someone else can give a link, you could play around a bit there
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>>97208313
Is there any way to tell English word stress by just the word itself?
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I'm trying to order some items from JP amazon and I'm getting this message on one of them "お届け予定日がわかり次第別途Eメールにてお知らせします。キャンセルをご希望の場合は、注文履歴からキャンセル方法についてご確認ください"
My understanding is that the item is not currently available(?) but they will email me once it is with a shipping date.

My question is: what is going to happen to my order? Is it going to be two separate packages, as i have ordered some available items too . Would it be cheaper to wait to save on shipping? as I might get charged more for two "separate" orders?

Thanks for any help
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おやすみ
スレはよろしく頼む
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Gonna be travelling to japan in about 2 months and I have absolutely no knowledge of the language
What's the most useful way that I can study until then? I wanna be efficient
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I've been getting overwhelmed by my anki reviews lately.
Are there any methods I could do to improve my true retention rate?
I'm sitting at 64~% true retention rate for the week ,and the month.
I'm using the 2k/6k deck.
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>>97211385
how many new words are you doing? I do 20(mixture of decks though) and sit between 88-94 with average of 91 here is what i do.

Step1: Set reviews to reset 1-2 hours before bed time
step 2: do reviews
step 3: after you wake up tomorrow do a custom study using the "Review forgotten cards" and set it to 1 day.

Using this method I manage to make most of my weak cards stick pretty quickly.

Also yeah, at least 1-2 hours of reading a day.
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>>97211581
I used to do 20 a day, but reduced it to 10 a day, 3 days ago.
Thanks I'll try your custom study method.
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>>97211581
>tfw can do 400 Anki reviews in 20 min with 93% true retention
Feels good to be high iq
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>posts wojack
>claiming to be high IQ
loving every laugh
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>>97210798
Buy a phrase book. You can't learn anything practical in two months.
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>>97210798
In two months the most you'll be able to do is learn phrases. Watch some YouTube bloggers showing examples of what you need to do or say to get around.

I'd learn kana as well despite your phrase book probably being in romaji.
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>>97211385
Know the signs.
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>>97211385
I had the same problem, took a week off and did 0 new words, now it's smooth sailing again
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>>97208313
What?
Also pitch changes depending on the words in-between. Tough luck
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(´∀`∩)↑アゲ↑
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Does anyone has any idea what do they mean in the second question? The text they are referring to is below.
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>>97218133
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>>97218422
I think the answer is 東京のような、世界によく知られている.
The 連体修飾語 being used to describe 都市.
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>>97218422
そうまとめ?
The font looks simliar
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湯たんぽ
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>>97218555
今は良いものがあります
お湯より火傷の危険が少ない
でも低温やけどの危険は必然ですので注意しましょう
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>>97218492
Thanks for the answer, but I still not quite get what was the question. Point which part of the sentence is being used to describe 都市? Why was "to modify" verb included and even translated in the text?
>>97218550
It's Tobira
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>>97218635
>It's Tobira
とびらはどうですか
そうまとめはあまり好きじゃない
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>>97218692
It's the second question of the first chapter and I already have no idea what they want for me. You could say I don't like it very much so far.
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>>97218635
Because the question is written in Japanese and 修飾 is the normal word to use for that in Japanese, but it's a grammatical term that you wouldn't be able to answer the question without knowing.
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>>97218635
It's asking which part of the second line (from where to where) modifies the word. 'Classify' or 'qualify' are more fitting words than 'modify' in this context. The cities are known. The cities are known to the world. So on. Specifically where does the qualification begin and end?
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>>97218727
What level is it?
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>>97218866
Thanks anon, now finally fucking get it.
>>97218882
It's intermediate. Someone recommended it to get into after Genki.
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>>97218623
そのかわりに猫はどう
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this is the oldest thread on int right now
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>>97220093
いいえ、 ミルクトラックスレドはまだ生きている >>97204798
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ミルクバンプ
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おねがいコワいかびくりかトキおぼてうれしトキけしてわすれなで

くらい日いつもうれし日おぼてね
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>>97221404
ごちそうさま
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>>97209782
I am sorry I am not sure either, but as it is indicated that shipping fee is to be charged for every single shipment on their table, it's likely to be that they charge two separate shipment fees for your order. So it'd be 1100yen cheaper to wait until all items are ready to be shipped, if you could tell them you'd like to do so.
>what did they say in the quotation?

And just out of my curiosity, could I ask what did you order from amazon JAPAN?
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Is there a discord server where we can practice speaking with one another?
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>>97210798
I live in Tokyo, if you want we can hang out and I can help you out
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What's wit the manga download links on itazuraneko? They just redirect you to homepage
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>>97224123
Actually all MEGA links redirect to homepage
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>>97224123
>>97224211
check the links carefully against a normal mega link, then use your head a little
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>>97224286
Ah I see. What's up with that? Can't have a normal link?
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>>97224495
the originator was inherently cautious about hosting pirated material, a wise attitude no
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>>97224590
Got it. Thanks!
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>>97211385
Some people here put a ridiculous emphasis on Anki stats as if they have anything to do with actual language learning. I'm pretty good at remembering a huge portion of vocab from anki cards but I'll still struggle if i see it in a sentence, the same goes for some the other way round.

Anki retention rate is not really a measure of your improvement in the language and I wouldn't overthink optimizing for it too much. If you're not bothered by a large number of reviews per day it doesn't really matter I'd say.

Even if I fail some shitty card for the 20th time at least I've seen it again and it'll help down the road (especially true for some readings of kanji i keep forgetting each time)
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>>97225769
I just turned auto suspension back on. As far as I'm concerned Anki is best when it comes to vocabulary exposure. There have been words I've failed, but I see or hear them in real application and recognize them properly.
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>>97220093
頑張る
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>>97227359
This is something some people need to wrap their heads around more. It's easy to get presented with the numbers from Anki and fall for the trap of optimizing for them. And it sure feels good to see higher numbers on there cause it seems like a more tangible success in your learning.

However in the end this can be misleading for how it actually translates to language ability in a couple of ways. This is why i tell people to be cautious with how to interpret their Anki results and especially if they feel bad for not having a 90%+ rate on there. That's not even the point of a SRS, giving you the right amount of exposure for something to eventually stick is.
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I was going to read this with both subs but I don't think I can
It bothers me too much
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>>97227853
she looks so nerdy
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>>97227883
眼鏡派じゃないか(・∀・;)
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>>97227853
better to keep it in japanese and only switch if you don't get whats going on at all if thats possible there.
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>>97228238
I would if it didn't take me 10 times longer to finish that way
I'm mostly reading this to relax anyway
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>>97228665
おはよございます!
仕事へ行く!
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>>97227853
Unless you can toggle the english on/off, that would really defeat the point of having the original 日本語 text for me
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>>97228823
頑張って!
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>>97229424
You can toggle it quite easily, but as I said not really reading it to learn anyway
I have picked up a few words for my mining deck though
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>>97221850
ドラゴンディルド
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Save me from this torment
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>>97232187
you only have yourself to blame until you disable english text.
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The more I have non-Japanese coworker in my work place, the more I come to think you need not learn our language, at least as long as you live in Japan, as we use broken English for them and they seem spending really comfotable life without speaking Japanese.

And the immigrant policy which our gov is going to make it in effect from next Apr WILL give us a myriad of Chinese neighbour so we'll have no option other than learning Chinese for some extent as well. OK, it's just a piece of cake. Just adding another pronunciation to Kanjis.
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>>97227677
True. And the fact that pushing the retention rate higher has diminishing returns (a lot easier to go from 75-80% retention than 90-95%)
In real life, you won't encounter words out of context like you would in Anki. The goal of Anki should be "familiarity with the word to recognize it in context".
That's what I personally use the "hard" button for; if I fail a rep but am reasonably confident that I would have recognized the word in context, I can't treat it as a full success, but I really don't need to study it more that day.
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>>97233441
I can't enjoy japanese memes without japanese
What's the policy about
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>>97233441
Who cares about all that, I just want to read my eroge in peace
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>>97233683
可愛い狸
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Why would anyone wanna learn japanese
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>>97233909
Because your language is trash
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>>97233606
>What's the policy about
They are passing the bill which legitimate 40k immigrants, and their family as well, per one year and letting them aquire permanent residency reportedly.
Would you register yourself on it as well?
>>97233683
It has already passed about a decade since eroges were known for Euro for the first time, maybe. Haven't anybody there come up with making your own?
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>>97234034
Sure, what do I get for having it
>European eroge
I don't want to look, there's probably a few but they're guaranteed to be garbage with shit art
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>>97234034
Western "eroge" does exist, it's just all terrible. Japan just has a talent for perverted stuff I guess.
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>>97234239
>what do I get for having it
...maybe they would make a large signboard in front of the Japanese embassy there next April.
>Eroge
Nobody is born with the mastery of eroge, just exert yourself for it for decades.
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>>97234551
I mean what will I gain from having japanese citizenship, what are the advantages over just being バカ外人
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>>97234649
You will no longer need not to pay exorbitant shipment fee to Amazon JP and would have decent used game stores in your neighborhood.
Other than that nothing will change.
>and cheap alcohols as well?
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>>97234649
And you'd not seem バカ外人 as long as you are withholding yourself from speaking in Japanese and use only English.
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>>97234863
Cheap alcohols that are in such a small bottles they can't get a 7 year old drunk.
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>>97234988
ちわっす、バカ外人です
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>>97234994
Thanks to strong carbo and lemon, they practically taste as pure water, so you can finish a can within 2 second, which is equivalent to 40ml of pure alcohol, and cost 130 yen or less.
>>97235114
おっ、いいですねー
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>>97235288
あたくしがちょこの景気が大好きだああああああああぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁ
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>>97233452
>if I fail a rep but am reasonably confident that I would have recognized the word in context, I can't treat it as a full success
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>>97233452
>hard

Jesus Christ dude just throw that deck away
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>>97235288
How is 200 ml can with 12% alcohol equal to 40ml of pure alcohol?
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>>97236075
That pic is 500ml, the price of which is 165yen (60alc). And they have 350ml, 130 yen and 42alc for you as well.
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>>97235443
>がちょこの景気
ちょっと難しいぞ…
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>>97236662
糞色ケーキ
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>>97236733
きたない言葉を使ってはいけませんよ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiMfQE7wqP4
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>>97236915
多重影分身の術
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>>97208313
go to Dogen's patreon, he has a whole series on pitch accent that explains everything you have to know.
Anyway there are no strict rules that allow you to reliably predict a word's pitch, but there are some common patterns, like four mora words composed by two kanji are very very often heiban, and compound words are basically always nakadaka with the downstep happening either on the first mora of the second component or where it would have normally happened.
Verbs of a certain pitch accent family also tend to mutate across conjugations in a regular fashion.
http://www.gavo.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/ojad/phrasing/index here you can input words and get their patterns.
this said, the plan to get good at pitch accent isn't to look up and memorize patterns for every last word you come upon, that's impractical. ideally you should become good enough at recognizing patterns that when you do hear a word and learn it, you learn its proper pitch accent too.
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>>97237568
What's the pitch pattern of おはようございます
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>>97208313
>>97237568
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL78L-9twndz8fMRU3NpiWSmB5IucqWuTF
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>>97237665
downstep on ま
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>>97237720
Wrong, you can say it however the fuck you want
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>>97237760
Ok
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>>97237829
Stop lying
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>>97236514
>500ml
>165yen
Call me Jewish, but that's expensive. I'll stick to my home brewed spirits.
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>>97239682
That would be around $5.50 in Australia.
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>艘
ah yes, I'll certainly need that very often
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>>97239836
1 yen is about 1.2-1.4 Serbian dinars. So 1 can is about 200 dinars. So you need about 1.5k - 2k to get drunk. My mum pension, for example is 35k, while mine is about 24k. Not worth it.
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>>97240278
4艘
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>>97240731
>tfw internet which enable me to connect this board costs me more than 4k yen per month.
と言うより、日本人ならこれ3缶飲んだら立ってられなくなるよ
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>>97241123
That's tough luck friend. I pay my 50Mb unlimited internet about 1.3k yen per month and can extend contract with the company for 80Mb internet for about 1.5k yen per month.
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>>97241123
Do you live in the 田舎 or something?
I always assumed Japan has cheap internet, at least in big cities.
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What is the meaning of 席 in めでたい席? This was used when referring to a wedding ceremony but I am too brainlet to get the 席 suffix.
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>>97241393
>cheap internet
I don't think so.. as for decent connection, mine would be reasonable fee..
>And another 4000yen/mon for smart phone..

>>97241410
>席
You can regard it as "attending", as when you are invited, you will have 席(a seat) there.
>could mean "position" also in context like "総理の席を狙う (aspire to the position of PM)"
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>>97241410
>めでたい席
Sorry, it rather mean "the place where the ceremony, meeting or any other gathering is held, or the gathering itself", as "seats" will be prepared there.
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>>97241410
>席
"Meeting", I guess, as in:
会席
宴席
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>>97241884
>>97241983
ありがとうございました。勉強になりました
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>>97207644
Pls give asian qt gf
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>>97244181
you'll get one if you can learn japanese (protip: you can't)
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>>97244495
nani?!
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>>97244573
gib mi Istrian gf
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>>97244592
Ok, we'll trade
how does a japanese know what istria is?
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>>97244676
Italia Irredenta
looks like a feminine penis
enough to remember it
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Time to up the difficulty to 11
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>>97246504
エステチック...
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寂しいの
悪魔の手でも
抱かれたい
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I'm going on holiday to Tokyo in Japan in Aug 2019, I've just learned Hiragana and Katakana, would I be fine with just this and knowing some essential vocab?
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>>97248135
you might as well know nothing and pretty much have the same experience
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>>97248309
this
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>>97248309
Realistically, how much could I learn in 10 months? Would I even be conversational if I spent 1-2 hours daily
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>>97248730
Assuming 600 hours you should be able to reach A2. But since you're going at it alone and it's a non-Indo-European language, A1 seems more likely.
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>>97248730
>how much could I learn in 10 months?
ask for directions and maybe get the gist of the explanation

>Would I even be conversational if I spent 1-2 hours daily
you'd still be very far away
as a rule of thumb, take a language like french and then multiply the effort by 4-5 and that's the time you'll need to make progress in japanese
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>>97249221
>>97249213

fair enough, might as well try. Might enjoy my holiday more if i knew a little even if its A1 level.
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I'm going to Japan soon. What are some essential Japanese phrases I should know? Do a lot of Nips speak or understand Chinese ?
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>>97250514
nakadashi no yorokobi
boku no pico
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>>97250514
alligator gouzaimass
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>>97250572
I know what nakadashi is, what is yorokobi?
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>>97233441
WATASHI HA NIHONGO JOUZOU DESU NE
WATASHI HA OGASHI JOUZOU DESU NE
WATASHI HA NIHONJIN DESU NE
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>>97250514
oniichan boku no otokonoko chimpo ni seieki sosogikonde!
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>>97250927
>>97251059
good posts I don't need to add more
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>>97250514
>>97250921
unironically buy a phrasebook and call it a day
if you want to learn japanese, read the guide and come back, if not, fuck off
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>>97251427
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>>97251673
getting to the basic level in japanese takes a lot of effort for people coming from algo-germanic or romanic backgrounds I'd say. You really can't half ass it or you'll get literally nothing to show for it.
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>>97251427
He could make a phrasebook Anki deck, that actually wouldn't be a bad idea.
But it would be a better idea if he left this thread.
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Any ideas why the Kanji for 消す isn't displayed the same as when I type it in a word processor using the same font I specified (supposedly IPAex Mincho) for the flashcard?
The three strokes on the left look more like in the diagram then.
The difference is really irritating
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>>97252665
Nobody show him this kanji 令

(Differences between a handwriting style font and a typed font)
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>>97235607
This fucking pic always triggers my autism, at least translate it to japanese
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>>97214376
>>97214556
thanks, I guess I'll learn what I can, bet I'll feel like a dumbass when I'm over there
>>97222788
yeah I might be able to meet up for a bit for dinner or clubs or something, email?
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ニートの古に雄叫び
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(´∀`∩)↑age↑上げ
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Weddings make me lonely. What are japanese weddings like? How can I get a japanese wife?
Daily reminder to read
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じゃぁ、血痕しよう
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bump
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勉強してますか皆?
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>>97260347
今日は零~刺青ノ聲~を(日本語で)コンプリートしてきました
とても読み物の多いゲームで、難しい漢字や難読語もいっぱい出ますのでいろいろ勉強になりました
零シリーズの中で一番いいストーリーだったと思います
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>>97260599
おめでとう!
どのくらいかかった?次は?
私親完全マスター文法をやっている。25%ページ残る
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お酒と勉強
いいコンボですか?
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>>97261193
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>>97260979
プレイ時間は22時間強になりました
次には予定はありませんが、刺青ノ聲の別エンディングも見たいし、零(その第1作目)の日本語版はまだプレイしていませんので、これからもバンバン悪霊を退散させてゆきましょうかと思っております
とは言えども、ただ和風ホラーが好きなんで、別に勉強の為にやってゐる事ではないです
その他にも、常に実況を見たり漫画を読んだり訳したりしておりますので、毎日が思わずにも勉強に満ちております
我がブログを読んでいただき、ありがとうございました
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バイトに行かなきゃ
また後でね
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>>97261428
>やってゐる
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>>97207644
罰金バッキンガム
ごらく部がカルバン参戦すか
>>97216533
まあ僕なんかはintonationについて
アメ↓と書いて、関東では雨、関西では飴になるとか書く
>>97241410
席はsuffixで使われる例はなく単なるnoun
「主賓席、客席」は修飾-被修飾の関係になる
めでたい席 is a mere shortening of めでたい場の席
めでたい場 means the place of the ceremony of celebration
That you have the seat of the place of the ceremony of celebration means that you are a guest of that ceremony
>>97246884
picは「リア充は死ねばいいのに」と書いてある
>>97252665
いや、それ同じFontではないぞ
明朝とゴシック、教科書体は違うFont
>>97256230
「けど、女が欲しい」を忘れている
>>97258432
実際には破瓜(処女喪失)の血は出る人と出ない人が
>>97260599
またVNかよ
文学を読め
>>97261428
>我がブログ
urlを教えろ
かわりにワイのtwitterの垢を教える
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmDkTUs4WNs
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>>97263481
ばんわ、パンツ屋
「痛み入る」って例文にしてくれないか
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What does pic related mean? More specifically, what does よゐ mean, and why is it written with an archaic kana?
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>>97263922
よゐこ is a name obviously
スマブラ is Smash obviously
大乱闘生活 is making a living out of fightan games probably, recording day on 11/9 at noon
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>>97264074
Or it's just a stream meme name that shouldn't be taken too literally
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>>97263589
お安い御用だ

血痕を前にして
「これはこれは処女だったとは、いたみいります」
謝罪会見の席で
「えー、私、M岡のために、足下のお悪いなか本日はこのような席をもうけていただき、いたみいります。先程の司会者様からの丁寧な紹介、いたみいります。この度のことでは皆様に少なからずご迷惑をお掛けしたことと存じますが、寛大なるご理解を賜りました上に温かい励ましのお言葉まで頂戴し、誠にいたみ入ります。えー、手を出してしまったJKは処女ではなく単なるビッチでした。生理なのに処女だと言っていたのです。恐れ入ります。恐縮です。そこ、フラッシュ焚かない。えー、まことにいたみいりますが、会見はこれで打ち切りとさせていただきます」

小咄になった。
『コミック雑誌なんかいらない!』という内田裕也兄貴主演のかっこいい映画がある。そこでは、「恐縮です」が多用され、最後の台詞が i can't speak fukin' Japanese.
一度は観てほしい。
この「恐縮です」と意味的には同じとなる
漢字で書けば「痛みいる」だが、「悼みいる」は全く別の意味になる。
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>>97264074
>>97264148
I know it was about SSBU because it was from Sakurai's twitter, I just wondered what Yowikono was. Thanks.
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>>97264176
>手を出してしまったJKは処女ではなく単なるビッチでした。
w
ありがとう、勉強になりました
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>>97257842
Keep learning and maybe one day your dreams will come true.
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how many kanji do you need to have "all the kanji"?
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>>97267082
https://youtu.be/zcH3wA2tdAI?t=480
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こんにちは
私は猫です
パンケーキ大好きです
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which one is more common, 棲家 or 住処?
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>>97267082
What's that one with three 馬s?
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>>97268224
https://jisho.org/search/%E9%A9%AB%20%23kanji
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>>97268873
make sense
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Watch this: 蟲
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>>97260347
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>>97268873
Of course, why wouldn't it be that simple?
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>>97267681
What is the exact difference between pancakes and ホットケーキ?
Do you add milk when making the former one?
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>>97270348
Hotcakes are more american, theyre just smaller but thicker
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>>97270348
>>97270994
yes, what my Poland friend said. The one from your picture is what Akechi from P5 into, Russian pancakes are thinner, but bigger. Usually we put condensed milk on them and twist them like a twister from KFC.
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>>97270994
>American
Why did they make it smaller?
Everything in America is to be large, gorgeous and lucid.
Have you ever been there?
>>97271567
I have read juvenile detective novels from which that game was derived from.
What novels did you read when you were kids?
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>>97271950
Can I call Phenix Wright a novel? Point'n click novel I mean. I finished my first PW when I was 14. Hotel Dusk was the second... I guess Nintendo DS was is what introduced me this genre.

>from which that game was derived from.
Believe me, no good detective novel can give birth to this atrocity of a plot. The game is forcing it's hits on the player about how it is based on Leblanc novel about rthe rivalry of Sherlock Holmes and Lupen, but it's far from being subtle.
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>出来うる限り
Is the う there a typo or does it actually mean something?
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>>97272435
うる (得る) is a thing, my friend
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>>97272700
I've only ever seen it written without the う
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>>97272777
No the うる is a suffix you can attach to any verb to express the possibility of the verb. I would wait for a jap/dekiru to confirm but I think 出来うる限り and 出来る限り have the same meaning.
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I learned English without ever learning grammar, only vocabulary and watching movies in English with English subtitles.
The grammar came to me naturally. Since I knew some vocab I could learn how to form phrases by context.
Of course my English isn't even near perfect, but it was what worked best for me. Learning English in school was absolutely useless because the teachers would spend 5 classes explaining what the "verb to be" was. Grammar really doesn't stick with me if I'm learning it that way. I have to learn it naturally.

Is it possible to do the same for Japanese?
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>>97273621
lol
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>>97268189
please respond friends
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>>97273621
no, you'll definitely have to pick up some kind of grammar book/guide whatever at some point and pretty often look up how some things work afterwards
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>>97274291
Would you mind explaining why? Like, what makes it impossible for Japanese but possible for English? Thank you in advance, bro
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>>97273621
>>97274495
for clearification, you'll only get good by exposure to native material of course, but the sentences would be just a huge jumbled mess without at least some vague idea how grammar works when starting
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>欧米
>oyvey
Makes sense
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>>97273621
Starting with a grammar guide is pretty mandatory. English is a lot closer to Portuguese than Japanese.
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>>97274685
to put it simple. the sentence structure is just completely different
for example example, often times you'll find that the sentence parts you'd expect at the beginning in your language are at the end of the japanese sentence and vice versa... but it's more than that, the way japanese particles work and also some general speech patterns just don't have a real equivalent in western languages
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>>97268189
The former one, maybe.
As in general, the former one seems to be used not only for the meaning of “houses”, but also used for “nests of creatures” while the latter is used for only houses for humans.
Maybe you found them in a phrase “終の住処”, so in that phase, both seem equally natural though.
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>>97272435
Ya it means just something like “can” or “possible”. So でき得るかぎり means “as possible”
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>>97234034
Nominally European. And it is trash though.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everlasting_Summer
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>>97275082
So how would you explain the idea of particles to those who are totally beginner or totally ignorant of Japanese language?
Would you say it’s like “something like prepositions in English “?
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>>97271567
"Russian pancakes" are closer to crepes, than to pancakes, to be honest.
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>>97275702
A quick glance at google images' results for that thing is giving me vietnam flashbacks to that one awful western eroge where you seduce tanks.
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>>97275702
Can't use 'and' and 'though' in the same sentence unless you have an english major and know what you're doing.
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>>97276070
>that one awful western eroge where you seduce tanks.
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>>97276195
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a11G1g36lKg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf9j_NiAplw
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>>97275082
>>97275021
>>97273621

well I get the point he's trying to make but also what people here say. You will definitely want some resource where you can go through to see how things sorta work, however I also agree that learning grammar rules don't stick with me either like that.

However as long as you are able to recognize a specific grammar part in a sentence and get what it means you're good. I always felt school placed a huge emphasis on learning grammatical rules as a sort of recipe for constructing sentences. Sort of generative model, when it's much close to being an idealize descriptive measure of sentence structure.

Personally this does not work for me at all. It has to feel like a natural sentence to me, which is mostly a mimicry / exposure thing in the end.
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>>97276005
Yeah, I guess that's a more suitable comparison, comrade.
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>>97270994
>smaller but thicker
like I like my women
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>>97275082
I'm not saying you are wrong, I just wanted to point a few things out:

>to put it simple. the sentence structure is just completely different
for example example, often times you'll find that the sentence parts you'd expect at the beginning in your language are at the end of the japanese sentence and vice versa...

Portuguese and English also have a different sentence structure, for example "Sponge Bob Square Pants" in Portuguese would have the following sentence structure "Bob Sponge Pants Square".
I know how sentences are constructed in Japanese since I did read Tae Kim's guide. I didn't find it hard at all to understand, it is the same as when I learned that English has a different structure to Portuguese.
I never needed to learn WHY the sentences have different orders, I just unconsciously understood how to properly build them through constant exposure to the language.

>but it's more than that, the way japanese particles work (...)

That also isn't really a problem to me since they are very few and I already know Korean, which also has a very similar particles system.

>and also some general speech patterns just don't have a real equivalent in western languages

Honestly I think this could be said for any language.
You could say the addition of formal language is one of those speech patterns, but Korean has them as well and I still learned it. Yes, it makes it more difficult, but because I learned it with context, I also learned when and how to be polite.

Again, I'm not trying to argue with you, I was the one who asked the question after all. It's just that your explanation isn't enough to completely convince me.
What I mean is, if I learned English and Korean through exposure without ever learning grammar, why can't I learn Japanese the same way?
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>>97277644
Try and find out?
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>>97277710
I am, haha. It's just that, if for some reason, Japanese is an exception to this method of learning I wouldn't want to waste my time. I will work in Japan in a few months so I want to learn as much as I can before arriving there.
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>>97277644
>I did read Tae Kim's guide.
>I already know Korean
what the fuck are you even asking then... just keep on learning
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>>97277870
I'm asking if I can learn Japanese without having to remember textbook grammar. If it's possible to learn Japanese purely by learning vocabulary and constant exposure.
As I said, it's hard for me to remember grammar rules and it's easier to just learn grammar naturally. I read Tae Kim's guide for Japanese, but I learned Korean without any grammar guide.
I still can't say what the "verb to be" is, but as you can see, I still know how to speak English.
I'm sorry if I'm not being clear enough. How can I make myself more clear?
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>>97267681
ゆるゆり
のパンケーキ
>>97268189
使い方が違う。
「棲か」は虫や棲鳥獣の棲息する巣というのが本義。棲家は当て字。
住処は住家と同じ意味で、人の住む家、住む所です。
>>97269064
やっぱりナウシカの王蟲やな
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>>97278105
well to put it briefly: yes there are numerous examples of people who learned japanese and never "studied" textbook grammar.

Doesn't mean that it's not useful to have some reference to look up grammatical expressions you're unfamiliar with.
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>>97278105
>If it's possible to learn Japanese purely by learning vocabulary and constant exposure.
at the end of the day vocab and exposure are the only way to learn any language and you have some weird definition of "purely" when you've already read Tae Kim... I thought you were asking if you could do it without any grammar reference (which isn't "impossible", but still a shitty idea and bound to fail for most)

>I learned Korean without any grammar guide.
I don't know enough about korean and I don't know if you just think you know korean, but getting into japanese grammar should be easier for you than for other learners I guess
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>>97278323
>>97278437
Thank you, I just wanted to know if it was possible or if Japanese is the one exception to that method of learning.
Also, I read Tae Kim's guide because I wanted to try to learn grammar "formally" and see if it works for me. Well, turns out it doesn't, haha.
Have a good day, anons!
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Does there come a time where you don't feel like you're making progress in learning? I mean, I'm still learning new words, kanji, grammar, practicing every day just like before, but it doesn't feel like I'm making enough of a progress.
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>>97272435
出来得る限り=可能なかぎり:as possible
「出来うる」は「出来る」の可能動詞で「しうる」と同じ意味だが「し得る」は「しえる」と読む人が多い。「為し得る」も「なしうる」と「なしえる」の両方の読みがあり、一部の可能動詞は「~得る」が語源と言われている。
一方、「出来られる」は自発・受身・尊敬の意味で可能には「出来得る」を使う場合が多い。関西弁では「でける」と言う。
>>97274885
欧米か!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szreYOiEN74
>>97273621
赤ちゃんは文法を勉強しなくても日本語が喋れるようになります。
If your brain structure is the same as neonate's one, it would be possible. How retard it is!
>>97276152
そもそも文頭にAndが立たたない。
>>97277644
まあ、実際に、Suomiにはできる人もいるらしいな。もちろん、韓国人は別。
>>97278574
まあ、文法から勉強する方が無難だね。
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>>97279234
You can actually put and at the start of a sentence.
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>>97279377
そうしてます
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>>97279429
And it's not really that hard to use.
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>>97279208
The further you go, the less progress you're making in the grand scheme of things. Just have to keep grinding anyway.
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>>97263481
VNではありません
PS2のホラーゲームでございます
で、文学に近いゲームという概念がも存在すれば、これはそういう作品でございます
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%9B%B6_(%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0)
>一方、劇中には旧字体や歴史的仮名遣で記されている古書がファイルアイテムなどで登場し、それらが重要な情報である例が多いため、プレイヤー自らが努力して現代表現に翻訳したり、サブキャラクターの日記やメモから過去の惨劇の秘密を解き明かしていくことも大きな目的となっている。
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>>97279577
realistically everything beyond 4k kanji might as well be made up bullshit
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>>97279660
typo *という概念がもし存在すれば
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>>97279208
I get what you're saying but it is to be expected as the amount of material you already know dominates the stuff you don't know more and more. It's the same with any language foreign or not. Any progress you make in English wouldn't feel that novel either.

It might even be doubly true since language follows a very stable logarithmic distribution of grammar / vocabulary with heavy tops and long tails. After getting down the essentials the rest you learn you also won't encounter as often.
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>>97279662
I imagine that last volume set is for reference purely in politics or something formal situations.
I'd be personally worried about someone's well being if they actually tried to memorize all that.
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>>97279463
わかった上で揶揄っているだけだよ。
>>97279660
滅茶苦茶、怖そうだな。
まあ、エロゲでも「終ノ空」とか哲学的で難解なのが有名なものもある。

私は寝ます。JTにも遊びに来てね。
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>>97278574

I actually wasn't too far off and there have been some stable language models coming close to a Zeta distribution. Consider the cumultative distribution then this is how you can actually model the frequency of words / expressions in a language. Now if you learn new terms at a constant rate your perceived progress will trail off the same way. Not because you're not actually learning new things, but because the things you learn will occur much less often than the "basics" / the more widely used stuff.

There are in my opinion some further consequences. For instance: The stuff with lower occurence will also be harder to remember because you'll encounter it less often when going through native material, so your sample size will be smaller.
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>>97279644
>>97279841
>>97280332
Thanks bunches senpai!
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O型テレビを買った
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日本の語へ話したいたします
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>>97281185
どうして。。。
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>>97282725
0/10 ツッコミ
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>>97282810
どうして。。。
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>>97282866
血液型をツッコメ
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>>97279958
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>>97285003
no bully pls
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(´∀`∩)↑揚げ↑
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>>97287566
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>>97267082

lmao

https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/horon/kanji/ichiranhyou.html
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>>97287654

it's a trap
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>>97272214
>Phenix Wright
>逆転裁判
>I never come up with an interpretation of that way
What I meant is that, you know, some juvenile novels written by domestic authors, hopefully incorporating some attractive funny illustrations, intended to be read by teenagers, like Demons by Dostoevsky.
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>>97287566
But I just did mine
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>>97287566
Skipped my reps for over 2 weeks cause I was sick, like totally knocked out, wat do?
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>>97288607
There is only one thing you can do now.
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>>97288607
Oh yes indeed, whatever will you do?
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>>97288746
It was nice knowing you guys, I'll take care of the lolis in heaven until you join us.
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>>97288607
徹夜するしかがないだと。
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>>97288607
自然に、あなたはやり直します
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日本の歌よく聴く?
誰が好き?
日本人のボーカルがいいな
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>>97289163
I listen to a lot but first few that come to mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLKE2FXtdWY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWmO6SCYhRc
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>>97289163
The vocals are not really the main focus of these, but their music is really good.
https://youtu.be/041uHOkQu9Q
https://youtu.be/2fBVLgOUmwU
https://youtu.be/xgMD6efugcU
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>>97289163
like any weeaboo without self respect I listen to anime opening songs half of the day.
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>>97289973
You're only garbage without self respect at most, anime openings are top tier.
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>>97289163
I really liked Clingon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPxbObnAjw
8 years ago. That album in particular I really liked, but you probably won't find much on youtube any more.

I also unironically like nano.RIPE even though that's probably a meme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7dXtrC_BdE
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done
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Can someone translate this for me?

𠔻䨻𦧅𩇔𩙤龘𩙣𧢱䲜𧆘𦧄𪓊𩇓𪚍𪚎𡔚𧮩靐𨐄𨰽𩇒𩎑𪓉𪺚𧆓𧟞𧟟𧢰𨈎𩙢𩱷𩱸𪛖𡔙𡬜𣌠𤴒𥎥𧲟𩁵䨺𩙡𩧥𪈿𪉀𪋻齉𪚌𣍜𤆁𥎤𥤡䖇𨰼𩙠䴒𪈾𪋺齾䶫𪚊𪚋
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>>97272435
That うる is written 得る in kanji, and when it's attached to the stem of a verb it means that the action is possible, as in 分かり得る=分かることが出来る or 言い得る=言える.
得る can also be read as える, and both readings mean exactly the same thing (as they were originally the same word). You might already be familiar with it from the word あり得る (ありえる or ありうる, "to be able to exist").

Since 出来る is already a kind of potential form to begin with, 出来うる ends up being like a double potential form, as in "can be able" or "is able to be possible." I think there is a slight difference in nuance compared to plain 出来る, and that 出来うる is used mostly for speculating about whether or not something is possible, or might be possible in the future. I also think 出来うる is a more stiff expression that is rarer in everyday speech.

About える vs. うる:
The correct reading for 得る was originally うる, while える is a newer, alternative reading that is gradually becoming more common.
However, this うる is not an u-verb like 売る; it has what is called a 下二段 conjugation in Japanese, and is the only word of this type left in the modern language.
To explain very briefly, in the forms 得る and 得れば the 得 can be read as either う or え, but in all other conjugations it is always え: 得ない=えない, 得た=えた, 得ます=えます, 得よ=えよ etc.
Many people prefer to use the readings える and えれば because then 得る can be treated as a regular ru-verb. In fact, all of the ru-verbs in modern Japanese that end in -eru once had a 下二段 conjugation as well (食べる used to be 食ぶる, for instance), but over time all of them but 得る(うる) shifted into the current -eru form. Now 得る is slowly going through the same process, but because it is not yet complete the older form うる can still also be encountered.
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>>97290298
Tendies

>>97289419
>>97289753
>>97290245
これらがいい、ありがとう!
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浪速蜻蛉
>トンボ目
>アカトンボ属
>赤くならないアカトンボ
it's blue
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>>97287566
finished, slammed shift s
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>>97221404
我觉得她是中国人
>>97252665
Good character
>>97290298
┌(。Д。)┐
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>>97279234
Why do people like larping so much?
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>>97289163
Babymetal
>>97291363
上に書いてあるけどね、「出来られる」と可能動詞「出来得る」の違いを言ってみ
>>97295856
Because President Trump is too stupid
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褐色猫は馬鹿です
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>>97298434
なんで
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>>97296235
>Babymetal
Never got the appeal.
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>>97215860
this is how i feel learning German. You weebs sure got it tough
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Anki day skipped for the 3rd time this year. I'm such a Dekinai.
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>>97300572
You should just give up
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>>97300572
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>>97296235
DUMB BITCH
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くそ猫がまた屋上で踊ってる! うるさくて寝れないんだよ。
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>>97300465
>Du kann nicht Deutsch lernen
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>>97301275
ww
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>>97301275
fuk u
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>>97301505
Oh god did the cat survive?
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>>97302005
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>>97302060
he ded ww
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>>97302202
the anime girl doesn't want to fuk, but what about you boytoy?
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>>97302247
「fuk」というものいらん、俺はサイボーグだから
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>>97302700
you can still give me fuck cyborg c'monnn
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>>97303519
kys faget
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>>97303931
suck my dik (please and thank you) dumb nigger
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>>97290245
You should be proud of what you like you beta bitch, unless I say it's shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lZp6V2k0as
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>>97300432
we lost Yui
i miss Yui
i can't also feel the appeal from Babymetal without Yui
>>97298434
猫耳は正義です
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>>97301275
元気な猫は良い三味線になりそう
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>>97304229
>>>/lgbt/
stay with the rest of the scum
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>>97305407
>猫耳は正義です
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>>97305862
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>>97305559
KEK someone's a little unsettled, must suck not getting any from anyone
mad jelly of "those" gays lol
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>>97305961
where does that tail goes
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>>97306063
The english grammar dictionary where you can learn that you don't say goes in questions
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>>97305559
tranny
>>97305968
gay

tranny gay removes yourself at once
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>>97306123
Unless it's not the main point of the question and does is not in the question like
Torpedo goes where?
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>>97306251
I really like that pic.
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What the hell is
おちゃれんもつほう
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>>97306583
おちゃわんもつほう
お茶碗持つ方
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>>97307777
>わ
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>>97307777
looks more like swastika than わ
also witnessed
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>>97308179
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まあ、フランス人の英語にケチつけても仕方ねーべよ
It is worthless to find fault with 'English' which a Frog Eater wrote
>>97306251
くわんてう(「かんちょう」の旧仮名遣い)ですか?
>>97306583
>>97307874
おちゃわんもつほう
お茶碗持つ方

ひだり、おちゃわんもつほう
The 'Left', that is my hand which I use when I have a chawan ( rice bowl )
>>97307874
まだまだだね
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>>97308309
パチスロにいってことあるか、パンツ屋
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>>97308434
あるよ。
まあ、貯金して、時々引き出してようなものだが、なかなか預金が還ってこない。
はっきり言うが、実は、ボクは、酒もギャンブルも、結婚後ほとんどしていない(浮気はした)。
かわりに4chan見ている。要するに、4chanは金のかからない遊びなんだよ。
学生時代は小遣い倍増計画と称してパチンコ・競馬と一通りした。親の金だけど。
結婚して子供ができたら、お金がもったいなくてできない。
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Hey /djt/, I just installed qolibri and it's a pretty cool program, only problem I have is that I can't link it to Firefox for web search, since I get this error when I try to initiate one.
Anyone else itt had this problem?
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>>97308779
>結婚して子供ができたら、お金がもったいなくてできない。
賢明な判断、いいお父さんじゃん。奥さんは4chanのこと知ってる?
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>>97309001
Imagine installing a perplexing computer program from the 90s to try to understand manga instead of just looking at the pictures and ignoring the words
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>>97309827
>try to understand manga
>ignoring the words
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>>97309827
I don't care about manga, I read.
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>>97309008
知っているよ
よくは思っていないけど
夜中は、嫁が寝ている横で書いていたりする
今は居間でテレビを見ながら書いている
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Today I watched this and wondered why they didn’t just make it anime.
>A paki girl lapse into lesbian platonic love relationship and dismays her family.
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Continue the torture
>>97310752
>>97310752
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