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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>17443072

This thread is for the discussion and learning of Japanese with raw VNs, LNs, Jdrama, anime and manga.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyzxsHITTKw
What music do you listen to while learning/reading your Nihongoes?
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>>17461007
VNs already have audio
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>>17461007
Whatever's up on the r/a/dio.
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are there any pet peeves on translations that make your head go dizzy? Mine are those translations that although the meaning is correct, it is expressed in a non streamlined way thus making you fact check by jumping from word or sentences.
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>>17461260
yeah mine is when people talk about them
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>>17461007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPF7lit7Z00
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Was there a specific piece of media or content that made you decide to learn Japanese?
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Hey guys, I posted here a week or two ago asking for help regarding my low retention, I was averaging 40%. Here's what I had today, thought maybe the anon who recommended stopping new cards and going full review-mode would like to see my progress.
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>>17461478
Yes. But not only, of course. There's about 10~ things that I was really desperate to experience, plus another 100~ that I am also fairly excited about.
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>on ankiweb
>"cards left" update gets the numbers wrong
>reach to "0" (when actually have more cards left)
>thinks i'm done

when is this unmaintained mess going to get a fix instead of a front-end change?
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Should I read hoshizora no memoria?
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>>17461572
Play IroSeka by the same company instead, it's better.
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can someone explain that second "と" to me?:
この日を知っているかと聞くと、「知っている」と答たえた人が86%
pic is full context of that sentence
sorry if stupid question
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>Drawing kanji to look them up

This will never not be slow and frustrating. Is there something I'm missing to make this easier
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>>17461587
Tae Kim.
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>>17461595
>4.8.2 Expressing natural consequence using 「と」
this one?
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>>17461623
Yes. More specifically, 4a here:
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/entries/441.htm
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>>17461478
Namasensei on youtube
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>>17461590
If you know the reading - use IME? You can tell the reading from furigana or voice over in a VN. And if you're reading something without furigana - it's probably too hard for you and you will do yourself more harm than good (assuming you're a beginner, that is, but otherwise you probably wouldn't ask this question).
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Just want to wholesomely congratulate OP for choosing a good pic
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>>17461652
thanks
that was really helpful
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I ported the clipboard inserter firefox addon to the new WebExtension api. It's uploaded and as soon as it gets reviewed it should be available.
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>>17461775
Let us know in three months once it's finally approved.
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This might be a weird question, but is there a Japanese term for "vore"?
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>>17461780
Nah, it's a really small addon, when i uploaded the first version it got approved in a few days, iirc
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>>17461775
>>17461780
>this is the world we're living in
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>>17461786
the fuck is vore
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>>17461786
I think i've seen ヴォア used somewhere
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>>17461855
A fetish where one wants to swallow or be swallowed alive.
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>>17461786
丸呑み
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>>17461007
>>17461475
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBhNd1AQ9P4
Better use the positive version anons.
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>>17461886
ありがとうございます!
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>tfw able recognize ~1000 kanji but have trouble reading basic katakanae
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can 声 mean 'will'? i saw it translated as such in an episode title but can't find anything to corroborate that
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>>17462191
I guess it may, kinda like "voice of the people" sort of means "the will of the people"
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>>17462201
i was thinking something like that but thought it might be a bit of an english-centric idea

it was 天の声
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>>17462126
気にするな.My brain doesn't even bother telling the difference between シ and ツ or ソ and ン anymore, I just infer them through context somehow.
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>>17462210
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/75668/meaning/m0u/%E5%A3%B0/
5 and 6 kinda fit
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>>17461007
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How would natives know that a foreigner means 木になる and not 気になる
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>>17462332
context obviously
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>>17462340
hmmmmmmm
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>>17462353
let me ask you how this would even come up with examples
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>>17462332
who the fuck says 木になる
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>>17461007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S86ppy4jdxg
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おはようおにいちゃん

>>17462332
それは同音異義語にみえるけどそうじゃないよ

木になる は き↑にな↑る
気になる は きに↑な↑る

でねいてぃぶどーしでは

みみでくべつされるよ

あいてがまちがえてもあげあしはとってはいけないことになっているよ

そのいみでは行間だよ
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>>17462360
僕は木になる為に産まれてきました。 あんたの非常に失礼な発言を許しません。
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>>17462379
やる気かお前?木になる為には簡単じゃねぇぞ
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>>17462126
>>17462221
I know both of these. There are some katakana that are used so rarely, I don't even know how to write them.
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>>17462396
>木になる為には簡単じゃねぇぞ
wut
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>>17462332
What does being a native have to do with anything
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>>17462404
俺が言ってることが分からない
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>>17462425
そろそろやめないかね
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>>17462418
You know the other side is using the wrong pitch accents
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>>17462437
pitch accent or not if u actually say that to somebody as a standalone they are gonna think somethings on your mind

go experiment and report back yung buck
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>>17462444
See >>17462379
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>>17462360
僕は木になるから「tre」の二人称代名詞を使ってください。
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>>17462460
what about it its nonsense
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYNC8JzV5j8
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木持ち悪いね
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>>17462528
二本五条図ですね
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>>17461007
Nothing? I always get distracted by music while learning.
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How far do you think it's possible to get with Japanese while using only particles, suru, and onomatopoeic words? (Including associative onomatopoeia like がらくた)
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エロい木がする
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>>17462549
Check out all the onomatoepoeias in rikaisama's dictionary and you have your answer
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>>17462549
Pretty far if you don't mind sounding like a 5 year old
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>>17461775>>17461788
Are you the author of this add-on linked in the "Firefox Auto-scrolling Rikai VN Texthooking with ITHVNR Setup Guide" from the Resources page?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/clipboard-inserter/

What's actually involved in the add-on review process? Does Mozilla check the source code to make sure there's nothing malicious in it? Or are they only checking to make sure it works with the version of Firefox which you say it does?
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>>17462552
エロい樹がする
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>>17462643
Yeah, that's me.
I'm not sure, but i think they do look through the source to make sure i'm not stealing anyone's data or anything like that.
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>彼は無料でそれをやる
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How do I remember all these grammar particle rules? There's a special particle for i and na adjectives, special particle for ru and u verbs, different endings for negative, past, past negative, etc. There's so many small particle rules and I'm getting them all mixed up! I'm gonna finish Tae Kim's guide and come out no smarter than when I came in!
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Good night, /djt/. Is there any way to export an Anki deck with my progress? I`m going on a trip tomorrow and I want to keep studying on my phone.
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>>17462810
>/djt/
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>>17460131

Bullshit. VNs have voices and word lookup. LNs do not.
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>>17462884
Word look up? You mean via texthookers?

If you have an LN in HTML format, you can open it in Firefox and use Rikaisama on it.
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Thoroughly ashamed so go ahead and laugh at me.
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>>17462884
I would say VNs and LNs are quite on-par in terms of vocabulary. However, take this with a grain salt, because the LN I am currently reading only has ~1900 unique kanji according to djt's netlify library. Both have aspects in which one is easier than the other, I think. For instance, words containing non-jouyou kanji are almost always written using furigana. VNs dont do this. In general, it really depends on what you're reading, so try to enjoy the content rather than arguing relative difficulty (or trying to quantify something subjective).
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>>17462937
どんまい

きっとあしたははれるからだいじょうぶ爆笑
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>>17462937
>falling for the JLPT meme
Would laugh at you even if you got a perfect score.
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>>17462937
Oh hey, we are at similar levels, anon.
頑張って
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wow this girl is lewd
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>>17461894
I was feeling quite down today because of some stuff and this song genuinely made me feel a bit better. Now I feel happier, but I also feel like a complete ass.
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>>17463167
そっちも頑張ってね、あずさちゃん
I'll take the test again in December/January or so. Will post the results again so if you're still around let us compete.
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Can someone explain the spacing in some words. I was watching a video and she mention "claps" but how many are there? (Is it based on syllables) what is the tempo of the claps?
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>>17461587
単なる引用の格助詞「と」です
「という」の「と」と全く同じものです
>>17462210
天の声: the opinion of the Heaven : public opinion
ex,:天声人語
>>17462378
いもうとの ばんちゅが きになる
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>>17462937
read more, dumbass
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>>17462810
upload to ankiweb, download to your phone.
If you're an iphonecuck like me, you can use the ankiweb site to do your reviews instead of paying for the app.
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>>17463767
Thank you, anon! Much appreciated.
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nice thread its shaping up into
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>>17462398
>blocks your path
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Im a complete beginner and Ive been studying my hiragana and katakana Ive got a couple down already (bit more than half) but I don't know how to retain the knowledge I have a little bit of a learning disability,
any tips? whats the best way to retain the stuff I learned when it comes to this language?
pls help I wanna play the untranslated Megaten games someday
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>>17464157
Repetition
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>>17464157
Write the kana in your notebook 50 fucking times... bitch.
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>>17464157
Learning kana is purely memorization. Drill them into your heard. Use flash cards.
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>>17464157
what the others said, also start reading something easy as soon as possible. gives you a feeling of having achieved something and you also get some associations with those characters for once
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>>17464157
Duolingo
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>>17464157
you can't learn japanese
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How can you tell how to read 明日 and 家
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>>17464297
Don't think, just feel.
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>>17464297
明日: あした is less literary than あす which is less literary than みょうにち, usually あした
家: うち if it's your own house
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>>17462802
You'll retain info better once you start actually reading, right now you're just building a foundation.
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>>17464317
>うち if it's your own house
I don't get it.
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>>17464392
Not him, but I think うち is more like the "household" sense of the word "house", whereas いえ is more like the physical building itself.
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>>17464392
うち makes it implied that you own it. いえ is just house. Just as I was typing this >>17464442 came up with a better explanation. Also note that うち is a personal pronoun in kansaiben
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>>17462884
I didn't know VNs had built in mouseover dictionaries.
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>>17461007
Non distracting shit like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFw83-39KWU
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What are some Japanese radio stations similar to BBC Radio4 (i.e. mostly talk) that are streamed over the internet?
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>>17464297
I use あす because it's less syllables
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Has anyone tried reading these?
http://djt.netlify.com/b/[横山洋子]%2010歳までに読みたい世界名作/index.html

It seems to be a collection of various classic foreign books (e.g. Gulliver's Travels) translated into Japanese. The kanji count for all the books suggests that they're probably really easy (they all have about half the amount of kanji that Hanahira has), possibly intended for children as even super simple kanji/words like 子 have furigana and the word ロンドン has a TL note explaining that ロンドン is イギリスの首都。 To top it all off, each book is accompanied by numerous illustrations.

A brief glance suggests they could make for good beginner reading material.
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>>17464297
It doesn't matter a whole lot if you're starting out. Either reading will convey the correct meaning and you just have to learn them as separate words phonetically. Your intuition on which is correct in context will come with time, it's not something you specifically have to memorize.
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>>17464980
If they are somewhat simple, I might try them after I'm done reading my current (first) LN.
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I'm getting lost with all the abundance of particle rules and I have no idea what to use when. I'm just reading Tae Kim but it's all going in one ear out the other pretty much. Is there anything that helped you guys?
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>>17464980
did you look at the top left corner of your image before you wrote all that
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>>17465152
If you stick with your studies, it will eventually be natural. Same as any other aspect of learning the language.
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>>17464980
Those look pretty cute. I think I might read one.
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>>17465152
I had the same problem. Especially with conjugation rules. Someone made an anki deck of the Tae Kim exercises that was a big help. I actually made a secondary deck for the individual rules and then used the exercise deck to gauge retention and it made a world of difference over just reading the guide over and over.
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>>17465264
>Someone made an anki deck of the Tae Kim exercises that was a big help
Do you have a download link?
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>>17465351
yee
>https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/85640050
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>>17465400
Thanks! Hopefully this helps because grammar is killing me
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>>17464025
どーでもいいけど

ヌと又は

どっちかやめるか

形をちょっと変えたほうがいいとおもうよ

ちょっと似すぎてるよね
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>>17464602
VNs have mouseover dictionaries, built in or not doesn't invalidate his point.
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>>17465700
LNs have mouseover dictionaries too then.
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>語りかけられているような
I learned a lot of German in high school, and I thought they were the masters of cramming a bunch of shit together on one word, but now I see what a fool I was. Japanese has to be the king of compound words, right?
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>>17465739
>語り
one word
>かけられて
another word
>いる
yet another word
>よう
one more word
>な
this is technically a word
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語りかける + されている + よう + な
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>>17465739
まるでがあたまにつくと

>まるでかたりかけられているかのような

になるよ

がんばれおにいちゃん
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>>17465538
>ちょっと似すぎてるよね
稀な文字のに、ヌは魅惑があると思う
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>>17465739
語りかけられているような=他動詞「語りかける」未然形+受身の助動詞「られる」連用形+接続助詞「て」+補助動詞「いる」連体形+助動詞「様だ」連体形
>compound words
ドイツ語は屈折語だけど日本語は膠着語
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agglutinative_language
>>17465740
>>17465760
above
一文節しかなく、全て接尾辞と後置詞(活用語尾と日本語の助動詞と助詞のこと)からなる
>>17465852
ヌードのヌ
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>>17465780
あたかも も あたまに つけられるよ
おねーちゃん
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>>17465967
訂正
自他動詞「語りかける」
これも「語る」連用形+動詞「掛ける」の複合動詞だが、「掛ける」は、「仕掛ける」や「働き掛ける」のように接尾辞化しているため、通常の品詞分解では一語と見做す
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>>17460914
>あのハサミわざわざ回収を命じてだけど
>Anyway, you went out of your way to order the confiscation of that scissor.

"you went out of your way" what creates this?
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>>17466041
わざわざ
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>>17465967
むずかしい
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>>17466066
ほとんどわかんないI too
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>>17466066
>>17466071
wikiの文章そのものが難しいし、一文で500語いきそうだが、簡単に書けば:
steam語幹「語りかけ」(正確には~kake)に対し、「られる」(正確には-r-areru)から「様な」までの「られているような」の全てが接尾辞affixです。
で「られる」(-r-areru)iに活用を持たない接尾辞の「て」(後置詞・助詞)が付き、それに更に接尾辞「いる」が付いてprogressive aspectとなり、更に接尾辞的に用いられる形式形容動詞「ようだ」(:形式形容詞「ない」が助動詞になるように品詞は助動詞)がついて、「語りかけられているような」という連体節(文の一部)は生成されてます。
このようにaffixに一つの意味が対応して、次々にaffixを添加して意味を生成していく日本語は典型的な Agglutinative languageです。
 
(ちなみに「られる」が「-r-areru」なのは、五段活用とは実は子音で終わる動詞のことで、「れる」が接尾辞としては「areru」に他ならないからです。)
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When reading, how do you decide when to put new words into your mining deck? If I were to get every new word, I'll be overwhelmed with reps in no time.
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>>17466268
Adding new words has no effect on reps though. Doing new cards does.
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>>17466272
Good point, doing 20 new cards a day like with core2k should be fine.
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>>17466235
>「れる」が接尾辞としては「areru」に他ならないからです。

I agree

ぬすまれる = nusum (u) + areru
なぐられる = nagur (u) + areru
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The DJThreads always taunt me. I hate them. But you guys are a-ok.
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>>17466339
君もやれば出来ると思うよ
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>>17466046
にんげんしっかくー
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お兄ちゃんはあたしのマンコに入らないの事がずるい!ずるい!ずるい!
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Seems like a lot of the manga MEGA links are down. Are there any mirrors?
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>>17466343
頑張れないと...とか
さもないとボロクソに言われるかも
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Spark Reader's github page is down, what's going on?
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いもうとはほどよい
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I don't understand what's going on in the top panel. Is he asking him why does he need his pants?
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>>17466610
履く
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>>17466610
He's wondering why he's wearing pants since he usually doesn't.
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>>17466644
>>17466664
Thanks.
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>>17461478
Marimite LNs.
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Are there any grammar textbooks that would narrate through the rules, like Tae Kim does, instead of listing them as in a dictionary? Tae Kim is good but I studied through it and would love something with a deeper approach to the language structure.
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Okay, normally I'd just rely on Google but I can't find shit, you CAN express volition via dictionary form (する,食べる,行く), right?

Like so:

今度あなたの弟と一緒に行く。

I'm not just imagining the volition in my head, right? I mean shit I don't think about this stuff at all when reading on my own but I'm in a situation where I need to explain it to someone else and suddenly I'm second-guessing just because I can't find anything online that agrees.
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>>17465175
fug

>World masterpieces you'll want to read by age of 10.
Right?

So they are for children, as I thought then. Being that they're classic works though, they shouldn't be as boring to read as typical children's stories would be. Maybe the book equivalents of Ghibli or Disney movies.
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>>17466724
try 日本語の森 clips on youtube
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>>17466724
Try Sakubi.
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>>17466728
Thanks, but I won't understand shit.
>>17466730
Oh, that's great!
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>>17466727
I don't know if 10 year olds should be exposed to Injun Joe performing acts of sodomy in a graveyard, but I'm gonna read this for Becky and shota galore.
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>>17466741
what you want is https://www2.gwu.edu/~eall/vjg/vjghomepage/vjghome.htm if you want someone to talk to you about how it all works
dont fall for gaijin made garbage if you master whats there youll run laps around this thread guaranteed
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>>17467183
Videos are for fags dude. They're tedious as fuck.
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>>17467370
you either want it or you dont
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>>17467390
Reading is just so much faster that it feels inefficient
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>>17467462
its your life
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Are you a bad enough dude to read 四畳半神話大系?
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>>17467519
Not so hard, it reads just like your average chuuni VN prose
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>>17467519
>>17467776
Is it possible to post Japanese text on DJT without some turbonerd calling it easy?
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>>17468047
No, it's literally asking for it. What kind of other response did >>17467519 expect?
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>>17468047
Nope.
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It begins
How much am I going to hate myself come tomorrow?
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>>17468150
>56 cards in 14 minutes
what.

please tell me this is a production writing deck or something
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Okay so I'm at least going to minor in Japanese because I'm required to have a minor and Japanese is an easy one for me to get. I've looked through the textbook my 2nd year class is using and I know pretty much everything. Should I get the easy A or try to get in a higher level class somehow?
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Can anyone identify these Kanji? Handwriting always kills me.
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>>17468263
英語?
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>>17468251
It was the first 20 in the 2k/6k core deck I got from here
It was mostly the kanji for numbers 1-8 and some hiragana
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>>17468271
Yeah, that's it. Should've guessed. Thanks man.
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>>17468258
Higher class. Don't waste money and time.
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>>17468277
For me personally, I had a lot of trouble with those kanji first starting out.
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>>17468285
Yeah, I agree. I guess the problem is more that I don't know if I would be able to get into another class and doing so seems like it would completely mess up the rest of my schedule. But that's not really something I should be asking you guys about. I might stay in that class but whatever, I've already wasted my time and money on other classes that also hurt my GPA.
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>>17468330
If you stay in that class, just use to time to study harder material. I have to take a class that uses genki 2 in fall while i already know all the jouyou and am gearing up for n2 this year.
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I've been off schedule for 5 days now due to a few hard things that gone with my life.

How do i pick up the flow again?
I was in the middle of reading Yotsubato, 200 words in Core and about ~30 kanji learned.
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>>17468407
Do your reviews. If you don't know cards just fail them and relearn it. Review grammar from Tae Kim if you need to and go right back to reading. Five days is nothing, don't worry about it just pick up where you left off.
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>>17468407
Read and do anki.
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Does anyone know if there are shortcuts to change to Japanese keyboard and between Hiragana/Katakana on Windows 10?
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>>17468381
You're going to be so bored. That's a waste of time.
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>>17462292
Good taste
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>>17468407
I stopped for about 3 months at one point, and now I'm better than I ever was. Just get back into it. It's unrealistic to think life circumstances will allow you to dedicate hours to studying every single day, so don't worry about it. The only way to lose is to give up completely.
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>>17468505
try capslock + shift and capslock + alt
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>>17468150
In a few months you will feel pain every time you'll get around to it. You will have this weird feeling how doing reps is just a usual tiring thing and how wonderful the day would look like if you didn't do it. But you can't. You have to do it. Because you want to learn Japanese. To read Japanese porn. You're learning a whole language just to read porn. What the hell is wrong with you.
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>>17468590
It's the beauty of life in the 21st century. I wouldn't trade it for the world.
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Guys, could someone help me with this fucking kanji? It's a pain in the ass

やわ肌が朱に??まる!

Please help! could it be somaru?
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>>17468626
I'll give you one hint.
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>>17468636
Is it 染? If not, please one more hint, the middle part of the kanji is actually very confusing, don't know if i'm missing a radical.
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>>17468737
The left side radical is the radical for ice which consists of three strokes.
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>>17468745
for water*
And it spans the whole vertical size of the character.
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Is there any reason why, when using the guide's core deck, it starts numbering at 6000 and ends at 12000? When viewed using the browse function
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"お前を一切言い返すがけない。"
You must never talk back. Is this right? Ga ke nai means never, by no means and its a verb right? Is it too repetitive with 一切 in the sentance too?
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>>17468772
KISAMA DARE NI KUCHI KIITENDA?!
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>>17468772
I would choose "ga dekinai", but that's my choice.

>>17468745
In the upper left part of the kanji is the radical of mizu? what about the right? is that the radical of chikara?
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>>17468820
No, the entire left side of the kanji is the radical for water.
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(me) >>17462937
I 合格'd the TTBJ this time, even improving my score for each section, even if only by a little bit. Feeling very slightly better about myself.
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>>17460914
How long would it take until i'm able to read kanji mostly without any tools? I'm seriously considering this and have looked over a few guides.
I want to learn the katakana and hiragana and then i want to jump into raw VN's with hookers.
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>>17468969
depends on you
anywhere between 2-20 years
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>>17468979
Thats a long gap anon.
Better start now so i can read my favorite VNs before i die.
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>>17469007
Ignore him, he doesn't know Japanese. Should take you 4 years at most to get fluent in any language, if it's any more than that then there's something wrong.
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>>17468506
Not really. I took a piss easy anthro class this summer from 8-10am. I bought my laptop to class everyday and did anki + read LNs. I padded my gpa and improved my Japanese.
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>>17469021
Hah
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>>17469007
GENKIだけじゃつまらないよね

しょしんしゃにやさしいおはなしがあったらいいのにね

まんが?
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>>17469021
please share your secret method where you can get fluent in 4 years by only reading for 1 hour a month
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>>17469041
There's something really wrong if you're trying to learn a language and you're only reading one hour a month.
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>>17468777
>KUCHI KIITENDA
Im sorry after 3 hours of anki I am fucking fried but I would really would like to know what this means since you took time out of your day to express this to me.

>>17468820
>"ga dekinai"
Thank you senpai.
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>>17469057
口を利く
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>>17469052
glad we agree then. might want to brush up on your english since you seem to have a hard time understanding simple phrases such as "depends on you"
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My firefox is freezing every five minutes and I think clipboard inserter is the culprit. Seems like it updated, because it looks a bit different now. I haven't updated my firefox since I only use this one for rikai.
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>>17469025
How big is the class? If it's a smaller class <30 participation will be part of the grade, so you'll have to do the awkward genki exercises whether you like it or not.
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>>17468836
I'm kinda lost now. What kanji do you think that is?
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>>17469076
Mine updated itself today and hasn't caused any problems.
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>>17469076
Have you tried disabling it?
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>>17469088
Less than 20, don't have to do genki exercises. Just have to do the kanji pages of the workbook and that only takes 5-10 minutes. Participation is mostly answering the exercises. It goes around the class so you're only answering 2-3 times the entire 2 hour span. It doesn't take much to follow along with what's going on. Classmates also trip up a lot and take a long time to answer. The biggest benefit is honestly being able to come up to my jp prof and ask any question above the material. I hope the other anon's class isn't more bothersome.
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I imagine there aren't any Japanese subtitles around for the new season of Owarimonogatari?
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What's a better work to read for a beginner, Hanahira or the Yuru Yuri manga?
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Anyone know what up with the clipboard inserter update?
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>>17469193
Neither. It's best to read things you're deeply interested in and can't contain yourself wanting to read every breathing moment.
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>>17469198
Ctrl + F
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>>17468075
Read it all. gg ez
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>>17469052
>>17469075
Hmm. I will probably do 2-4 hours a day until i'm ready to grind VNs raw.

But i get the point. Thanks jop's
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>>17469206
Nobody answered the question in this thread. Just some guy re uploading it in a few days.
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>>17469198
What with it? It's now compatible with firefox 57+, almost nothing else changed
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>>17469270
It doesn't work for me anymore.
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>>17469305
I'm also having issues with it. For some reason it only works in my lewd browser window and not my regular one.
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>>17469318
That's weird, what exactly is happening?
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>>17469396
It seems if I drag a tab away to create a new browser window and click on the clipboard, it does nothing on the window I'm clicking on and toggles it on and off on the other one. It seems they fucked something up where it's just connected and you can only use it in one window at a time.
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>>17469417
I'll look into it tomorrow (It's 1am here)
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What does this say?
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>>17469657
How do swings work?
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>>17469657
You can't learn Japanese.
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>>17469144
I'll try that tomorrow, but I highly doubt that it's caused by something else. We'll see.
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>>17469657
わーい!たのしー!すごーい!
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How do we know if anki truly works? What if its all just a big placebo?
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>>17469768
Marketing research on memory retention. More money that god spent on it.
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Does Hanahira stop being boring at any point? I got to the classroom bit a while ago and this part just seems to go on for fucking ever... though maybe part of that is because I keep getting too bored to continue and taking breaks.

How many days are there in this game, by the way? I know it's supposed to be really short as far as VNs go, so is it just a single day in length?
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>>17469826
You're not reading it for its literary depth or compelling content, you're studying it.
And it is really short compared to other VNs. It might be a full day, but other VNs days are rarely that long.
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>>17469850
Just because you're learning from something doesn't mean that that something has to be boring though.

I was reading Flyable Heart until yesterday, which started out being quite fun, even though, especially at the very beginning, some lines went completely over my head and there were quite a few that I could only just get the gist of, but about half-way through the common route it just started to get boring and I lost interest in it, hence why I decided to give Hanahira a go.

I wonder if I'm not wasting my time with Hanahira though. Compared to Flyable Heart, it's just so easy. I don't think I've been completely stumped by a single line so far. Most lines I understand with either no effort or little effort (besides looking up unknown words, obviously), and every line I've been able to at least get the gist of so far. I don't know if I'm really learning very much by reading something that doesn't give me a good challenge and leave me clueless from time to time.
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>>17469768
Because as I learn more words via Anki, I spend less time looking words up while reading. Are you making a jokepost?
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What kind of j-e dictionary do you use for kindle? I just installed JMdict on mine, but it's pretty bad considering that it can't even recognize 理想. Ideally, I'm looking for something like 研究社 新和英大辞典, which is what I used to from using yomichan. Any suggestion anons?
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おにいちゃん

たまごって

なんでeggなの?
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>>17461007
I don't know what the heck was that mixtape but it's based af.

I try to listen to chill rap like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJK0OGlhKF4
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>>17470078
逆になんでeggっていうのはたまごと呼ぶの? 私のたまごを観察して情報を探したらどうだ?
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>>17469938
The character routes in Flyable Heart are more interesting than the common route. I didn't love the game personally, but it was at least compellingish after the water fight bullshit. Can't be worse than Hanahira.
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>>17470060 (You)
Sorry, the word I was looking at was 埋想 (this is from the first page of Fate Zero LN), and not 理想. 埋想 is not even showing up on yomichan (研究社/三省堂/JMdict). Any tips on finding the meaning, anons? As a last resort, I can at least look at individual kanji and guess it's composite meaning..

I guess I picked a pretty tough LN for my first. 頑張ろう、僕!
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>>17469826
Reading Yotsuba on a PC is almost as frustrating.
You have to zoom in like your life depends on it and the characters sometimes use slang but it's mostly simple dialogue.
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>>17470136
>僕
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>>17470136
Remember to be on the lookout for metaphors, figurative language, idioms, etc., especially when the writer becomes edgy and starts throwing in 四字熟語
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>>17470116
>the water fight bullshit
Ah, I'm glad I wasn't the only one to hate that.

I didn't immediately stop reading at that point, but that was definitely the point where I stopped having fun and started having to force myself to read it. I suppose it was only a matter of time from there on out until I dropped it.

I got as far as the beach bit, shortly after the choice where you decide who to spend time with, but I was just so bored with it by then that I couldn't force myself to read any further. It's weird because I was actually enjoying it quite a bit at the beginning and was probably doing 6+ hours of reading a day without having to force myself at all.
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ごはんたけたー

たまごかけごはんできたよ

おにいちゃんもたべる?
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>>17470160
Once the character routes start you at least get the feeling of wanting to know what happens next, and there are people here who love the game. But there's no need to force yourself when there's a ton of more consistently compelling games that are not far off in difficulty. I suggest Nanairo Reincarnation.
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>>17469203
>It's best to read things you're deeply interested in and can't contain yourself wanting to read every breathing moment.
Then I lack that. What do?
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>>17464980
I'm loving these, thanks anon!
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With as much time and energy that it takes to learn Japanese, I imagine I could've been fluent in French and German already instead. Why'd I do this to myself
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>>17468263
Those are musical notations anon
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>>17470233
Learning Japanese is not any harder than learning French or German, stay mad dumb EOP.
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納豆みたいなにほんごはむじかしいけど

カレーみたいなにほんごならできそうじゃない?
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>>17470255
You don't know what you're talking about. Japanese definitely requires more time for a native English speaker.
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>>17470287
I know a bit of french and am currently learning German. I speak from experience, you speak from your ass. Guess who has more credibility?
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>>17470197
>Once the character routes start you at least get the feeling of wanting to know what happens next, and there are people here who love the game.
Maybe I'll give it another chance tomorrow then and see if it can win me back.

>there's no need to force yourself
That was my thinking when I dropped it. Ordinarily, I hate dropping things even more than I hate watching/reading something bad. I'm the kind of person to sit through a bad movie all the way to the end just for the sake of finishing it.

But I don't think I can afford to act that way when it comes to Japanese. If I'm not enjoying what I'm reading/watching, I'm going to avoid it as much as possible, and even when I'm not avoiding it I'm going to be in a negative mindset which is not good for learning things (and could lead to me developing negative feelings towards the language itself through association in the worst case). Basically, something I'm not enjoying = something which is hindering my learning, and thus I feel I should be quite liberal about dropping things more or less as soon as I stop enjoying/being interested in them. Like you say, there's plenty of other stuff out there to read/watch instead.

>I suggest Nanairo Reincarnation.
Thanks for the recommendation. I'll give it a look.
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>>17470295
>Guess who has more credibility?

Probably the FSI, which has experience training thousands of people to speak these languages to fluency, not a retard who "knows a bit of French".
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>>17470233
Go right ahead anon, as long as you can find a French or a German fansub to translate your favorite anime and manga it's all good. Stay dependent of the work of others for your hobby needs forever!
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>>17470307
Not my fault some retarded EOPs who go to a cheap language school 3 times a month struggle to learn a language as simple as Japanese.
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>>17470320
FSI students are paid to study 7 or 8 hours a day and graduate with far more competence than some Mount Stupid /jp/ turd who thinks passing N1 means he's conquered Japanese.
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>>17470220
Why are you even learning japanese then?
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>>17470287
Yes, but not because it's harder, but because you can't take the shortcuts a native english speaker can take when learning french or german. All languages are hard, some just seem easier because you already know parts of them.
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>>17470301
I was going to suggest that you should finish at least one route, since the common route is the worst part of FH, but you are only about halfway through the common route, so maybe it isn't worth it.

Amane best girl.
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>>17470348
Because it's fun I guess.
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anyone have any good recs for listening practice? Steve Kaufmann always talks about how he values listening practice so much and listens to shit like history audio books after only 2 months of studying etc, but is that even possible? Or is he just listening to shit while not understanding most of it? I want to improve my listening but my vocab is so small (2k~) that its hard to understand much. I have been reading every day already too for the past few weeks.
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にほんごはむずかしくないよ

かんたんなにほんごと

むずかしいにほんごがあるんだよ
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>>17470512
He only listens to things he can read. So he'll read it and look up words etc in Lingq until he understands it then he will listen to the audio while away from the computer.

You could try downloading subs from Kitsunekko, read through an episode until you understand it, then watch the episode for listening practice.

Or you could download a subs2srs Anki deck from (Google "Japanese Anki subs2srs decks", 4chan thinks it is spam so I can't link) and watch an episode after you've gone through all the cards for it.
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>>17470708
じゃあ
duckってなんで鴨なの?
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DOTA 2 TI7のお陰で何も読まなかったけどもなんかTeam Liquidが勝ったよかったね
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Is there an alternative for Rikaisama since development has stopped?
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>>17470725
newbeeの作戦と執行は弱すぎだけです
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>>17470725
>>17470743
>DOTA 2
wwwwwwwwww
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>>17470741
Yomichan
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>>17470763
Sweet. Thanks.
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>>17470741
I think the reason development has stopped is due to Mozilla's plan to switch Firefox over to a new, less powerful add-on API in the near future.

From what I understand, making your add-on work under the new API requires re-writing the code for it, and since the new API doesn't let add-on developers do as many things as the soon-to-be-deprecated one, many old add-ons are simply impossible to port to the new API - Rikaisama may be one such case.
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>>17470512
My advice is to listen to things you already have an understanding about so your mind can fill in the blanks. If you know history and then listen to an audiobook about history you don't need to know the language perfectly to piece together what's being said.
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>>17470755
もんだいあるの?
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So whats the amount of time I should spend studying in general per day? I'm a NEET and I could spend all day studying im awake but I just want a optimal amount of time.
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>>17470796
> If you know history and then listen to an audiobook about history you don't need to know the language perfectly to piece together what's being said.
Wouldn't a better idea be to re-watch anime (raw) which you've seen subbed (maybe before you started learning Japanese) and thus already understand the plot of? The other advantage is that anime provides you with visual information which helps you to more easily comprehend what's going on.
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>>17470763
What features does this lack compared to Rikaisama?
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>>17470824
Til you get tired and the words you read can't seem to register.
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>>17470720
dickにみえた

しにたい
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>>17470824
Don't study, learn. The benefit of the NEET lifestyle is that you are not bound by the concept of time. Take your jisho and go out into the wild with the goal of understanding whatever it is you want to understand.
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>>17470866
But you have to study to learn.
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>>17470857
Nothing, it actually has more features.
https://foosoft.net/projects/yomichan/
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>>17470233
Japanese is easy as fuck, but those languages are easier...at least i can read mango if i know japanese.
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>>17470895
>Japanese is easy as fuck
If Japanese is so easy for you guys, how come most of you are NEETs? You're clearly smart guys so you can do much more in life.
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>>17470921
I trade stock. Still technically a neet
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>>17470921
Actually i work, i'm going to have to learn french or italian eventually but none of them please my japanese spirit, that's why i invest some time in nihongo so i can read my mango.
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>>17470848
It's not a bad idea per se, but anime has kind of a limited vocabulary and it's own quirks that you might not want to get too used to depending on your goal. I don't see why it couldn't be a functional part of your Japanese learning, especially early on, but you're going to hit a plateau where you're not really learning anything new from anime besides the occasional vocabulary word and obscure pronoun.
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>>17470890
Are you sure about that? How come hardly anyone uses it if it has more features than Rikaisama and isn't soon to be deprecated like Rikaisama is come Firefox version 57?
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>>17470720
じゃあ
グラセフはなんでGTAなの
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>>17470961
Because whenever something new is introduced here, people accuse you of being a shill and shit on it just out of principle.
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>>17470890
Do you ever get it to work on (firefox) mobile? For me, after installation, I can't see the add-ons option to configure the dictionary.
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>>17470974
しらん
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>>17461587
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/actionclause
it's the quoting particle
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>>17471039
ちょっとなにいってるかわからない
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Clipboard Inserter broke. Any alternatives?
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>>17471348
Maybe tell me what happened, so that i'm able to fix it?
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>>17469096
It's 決 by the way.
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>>17471543
Never mind. I just was using an outdated Firefox version (version 52 on a Windows XP VM). Reverting back to version 0.1.0 worked for now. I'll set up a W7 VM later.
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Is there a more or less general rule that's like
- transitive verbs tend to end on げる, せる, す, ろす, める,...
- intranstive verbs tend to end on がる, る, りる, まる,...

That is, would it make sense to associate certain endings with transtive or intransitive or are verb endings too arbitrary for that?
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>>17471767
Over the course of its evolution, japanese had several ways to change the valency of verbs. Today, the remaining productive ways to do so are things like てある, れる, and せる. The patterns you're looking at are caused by phrases with particular conjugations becoming fossilized, and the grammar that let them be a thing going away. So it's a real tendency, not arbitrary, it just doesn't cover 100% of cases.
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>>17471767
I don't know how accurate it is, but after a while I started unwittingly associating -eru and -su with transitive verbs, and -aru and -su with intransitive verbs. It does hold true for most common pairs I can think of (出る・出す, 帰る・帰す, 始まる・始める, 届く・届ける, 治る・治す, etc.)
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>>17471781
To be specific, if the transitive verb in a transitive pair ends in す it's most likely a lexical causative as opposed to merely a generic transitive verb. Lexical causatives always imply a logical direct object, because they describe the action of causing something to happen to something else.
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>>17471767
>>17471781
Oops, I meant -aru and -ru for intransitive verbs.
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HOW DO PEOPLE EVEN LEARN KATAKANA I'M 1500 WORDS DEEP INTO CORE6K AND I STILL DON'T RECOGNIZE THEM FLUENTLY
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>>17471796
Because you're not exposing yourself to them.

I learned the kana by studying kanji readings. I didn't do this to learn kanji and I don't remember a single thing I learned during that study. I just studied readings as a way to expose myself to the kana, especially katakana. That's what worked for me.
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>>17471773
>>17471781
Good, that makes learning stuff like 上げる, 上がる, 閉まる, and 閉める easier.

>>17471784
I'm trying to understand, but I haven't learned much grammar yet. I'm working through the Core 2k set right now, does it make much sense to focus on grammar right now when I'm barely able to read any texts and apply the grammar knowledge?

>>17471796
Katakana sucks, I had a hard time learning it as well.
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>>17471800
Lexical causatives are a linguistics thing, not a grammar thing. Don't worry about it. Just remember that it's a thing if you get confused about transitive verbs being very different from eachother.

There are also "stative" and "phenomenal" intransitive verbs, but that's a different issue altogether.
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>>17471796
When I was in the fifth grade, I learned them mnemonically from some website that's probably long gone. It had cute little pictures that each kana represented, and then I played so many games in Japanese that, after seeing them so many times, I just became able to recognize them.
There're plenty of tools to grind them, you should look into doing that, especially if you've already spent so much time in core.
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In this definition for 辣腕
>することなく的確に処理する能力のあること。また、そのさま。すごうで。
What exactly does the することなく mean? I mean, I know what the words mean but I don't see how it makes sense. "Without doing precisely dealing with something"
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>>17471877
Post the entire definition.
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>>17471877
"effortlessly"
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>>17471877
>物事を躊躇することなく的確に処理する能力のあること。

Having the ability to deal with things exactly in such a way so as to not act indecisively.

物事を躊躇する
act indecisively.
ことなく
so as to not
的確に
exactly in such a way
処理する
to deal with things
能力のあること。
Having the ability
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>>17471877
>>17471911
Also you probably shouldn't be using J-J dictionaries if you know little enough Japanese to get confused about where the definitions start and end.
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>>17471896
Thanks.
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>>17471877
>>17471896
this is why you should never ask questions without actual full context
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>>17471911
>so as to not act indecisively.
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>>17471911
>>17471917
oh, ignore what i said
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>>17471923
Worded my way into a corner there because of "exactly in such a way" but wanted to post it fast because of >>17471896
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you could also phrase it like 躊躇せずに, maybe that makes more sense to you
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I would probably interpret することなく as "effortlessly" in isolation, too, since it basically means "without doing anything". But when する doesn't stand alone you have to put the actual action in place of "anything" and it stops meaning basically the same thing as "effortlessly".
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>>17468626
柔肌が朱に染まる
lewd
>>17468772
そんな日本語はない
「お前に一切言い返すわけがない」
の書き間違いだろう
「一切、~ない」=「全く、~ない」
>>17469657
自分で反動つけたら動くから
you can move it if you swing it by yourself.
>>17470078
はんぷぃ・だんぷてぃ の あたまは
はげあたま だよ
おねーちゃん
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>>17470110
たまごあたま は はげあたま なの?
おにーちゃん
>>17470177
はげ が たべたら
ともぐい だよ
おねーちゃん
>>17470278
カレーは のみもの
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軽佻
軽薄
浮薄

what would you say are the differences between those and the situations theyre used in?
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>>17470863
よっきゅうふまん なの
おねーちゃん
>>17471767
>>17471781
>>17471784
>>17471785
自動詞と他動詞の対応ね
動詞化する際の接尾辞の対を言いたいのだろう
これをご覧
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Pulin/20150214/1423890973
http://nihon5ch.net/contents/ch5/kosatsu/23.html
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>>17471877
引用は正確にしよう。
「辣腕: 物事を躊躇することなく的確に処理する能力のあること」と辞書にはあったはずだ。
日本語では、このようなことを「語るに落ちる」と言います。
>>17471891
>>17471896
above
>>17471911
「躊躇する」=「逡巡する」:hesitate
物事を躊躇することなく的確に処理する能力のあること
Having the ability to deal with things exactly without hesitating
で、訳としては充分では?
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>>17471963
軽佻
軽薄
浮薄
それ全部、ワイのこと

ついでにワイの座右の銘は

酔生夢死
酒に酔うように生き、夢を見ているような心地で死んでいく
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現実と未来が近すぎてぼやけてる
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>>17472134
時間は幻だ。物事がすべて4次元で同時に起こり、存在する。
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>>17472134
>>17472147
俺にも一服させてよ
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>>17472134
>>17472147
だから2次元に逃避しよう
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>>17472147
2次元より何数次元の存在なんてどうでもええや

>>17472155
酒屋に行けだけや、お前

>>17472160
その通りやねん
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>>17472160
逃避じゃなくて超越だ
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>>17472160
「おめぇ、……戦略、戦術、…そして戦闘、…全て三拍子揃ってるぜ。 ……お前みたいなヤツが俺の役をやるべきなんだよ…。山狗みてぇなクソどもの隊長をな…!」
「ははん。ごめんだね、あんたらみたいな根暗そうな秘密部隊の隊長なんて!
魅音が笑い捨てる。 小此木もそれを笑って受けた。 謙遜でなく、それは純粋な反応だと思った。
「……へへへ、そうだな。お前ほどの器なら日本の不正規戦部隊長なんてもったいないぜ…。 SASでもデルタでもスペツナズでも、…どこでも最高の人材になれるだろうぜ。何しろ、」
「はははは、あっははははははは!!! SASぅ? デルタフォースぅ? 下らないねぇ! そんな退屈なところじゃあ、私を飼いならせやしないよ!!
「……へっへへははははは! そうだろうな。そうだろうよ。 ……なら聞かせてくれ。お前ほどのヤツなら、何の隊長を望む!」
「隊長なんて興味ないね。部長でいいね。」
「……部長…。英国情報部辺りってとこか、…ふ、妥当だな。」
「だめだめだめ、なってないね! あのねぇ、私がやりたい部長はたったひとつ!! 雛見沢分校の我が部の部長だけさッ!! 罰ゲームのない戦いなんてごめんだね! 口先の魔術師、前原圭一! かぁいいモードの竜宮レナ! トラップ使いの沙都子に萌え落としの梨花ちゃん!! そして期待の新人古手羽入!! これだけ揃ってりゃ、世界のどこだろうと退屈だねッ!!」
「…………勝てねぇ…。……勝てねぇよ……。…こんなヤツが隊長だったんじゃ、 …勝てるわきゃねぇやな…。へへへへはははははははは!!」
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>>17472397
はいはい
「ひぐらしのなく頃に 祭囃し編」
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>>17472422
…………勝てねぇ…。……勝てねぇよ……。…こんなヤツが隊長だったんじゃ、 …勝てるわきゃねぇやな…。へへへへはははははははは!!
(有名なコピペなのでリラックスしてください)
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>>17464451
Isn't exclusively used in kansaiben though, heard it plenty in Tokyo.
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>>17472510
If you heard it with の right after chances are it's not the personal pronoun but just a way of specifying that something belongs to your house/family.
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喝!
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>>17460914
https://youtu.be/9tBCxMF1LYU
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>>17464980
Is the link being broken also part of the experience?
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>>17472538
Nah, it was being used as a personal pronoun. First time I asked if the person was from kansai since she was saying うち, and she responded with a puzzled look and told me that people outside kansai also use it.
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>>17472547
ゆきみだいふくだ

おいしいけど

ピノのほうがすき

しろくまもすき
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尊人 is trying to explain what's so great about some special pork that 冥夜 has acquired, but I just don't get what he means by 世界3大ハム. "Kinkaton ham is the third largest in the world" doesn't sound particularly impressive.
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>>17472540
チェ
バレたか
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>>17472547
>>17472555
だいふくはかぶるとおいしいとおもうよ

ついてるちっちゃいのは

くちにもっていくためのもので

きるためのものではないよ
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>>17460914
化学
科学

how to differentiate without kanji?
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>>17472576
probably an intonation drop or raise, or using 理科 or 理系
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>>17472559
Probably referring to something like "The 7 Wonders of the World", so to speak. "It's one of the 3 (most famous/well known/good) hams in the world!)
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>>17472576
>ばけがく when spoken to avoid confusion with 科学
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>>17471010
True, that does happen a lot.

Well, I might give it a try soon. Rikaisama won't work for much longer unless you're on the ESR release, but even that will only buy you a few extra months.
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>>17472643
Not to be confused with お化け学, the study of spooky, scary ghosts
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>>17472881
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>>17472881
ひたいにさんかくのきれがないの?
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>>17472946
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>ひたいえぼし
>額烏帽子

みみなじみのないなまえだった

はじめてきいたかも
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>>17469057
>3 hours of anki
That's too much. Stop.
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if i look at all the flashcards i will know all the japanese
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>>17473111
Trips don't lie. That's what I'm gonna do from now on. See you later, losers.
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>start reading a news article about our dumbfuck president
>close the tab and start my reps

Wew, that was a close one. Always remember that politics and the news are a distraction trying to keep you from learning Japanese!
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>>17473203
Not if you read the news in Japanese
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>>17473204
This. Reading news has never been this fun for me.
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>>17469076
I can't reproduce this, is it doing that when the inserter is toggled on? If so you could try increasing the timer interval in the addon's options. If not, then i'm stumped, the addon should literally be doing nothing when not toggled on in any tabs.
>>17469417
I fixed that

If anyone else has any problems with the clipboard inserter addon please quote me, and i'll see what i can do. If i don't get any responses today i'll publish 0.2.1 in the evening and it should be available soonish
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>>17461775
It just updated and isn't working for me anymore.
I stopped updating ff at 50.0.2. so guess that's why, however I don't want to break rikaisama so the question is can I update ff without breaking rikai or can I get your addon to work with my old version somehow?

Damn me how could I forgot to block addon updates.
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https://web.archive.org/web/20150411074114/http://www.osakaben.jp/

Nice Osaka-ben resource saved by the archive.
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>>17473208
Funny. I thought the opposite. Japan is so peaceful it borders on boring. You can search for news in the past 3 or 4 months in newspapers like Asahi or Yomiuri and you'll only find like 10 articles that were somewhat interesting.
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what do we think about gimmeabreakman?
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>>17473299
Fuck off with your youtube e-celeb shit.
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>>17473256
Hey dude, thanks for replying. It is freezing while it's toggled on. I usually got to around 50 lines read before it froze. I'll try playing around with the interval later.

I'm also taking screenshots of my vn with alt +printscreen, which is also clipboard related, isn't it? Not sure if that could cause any trouble, but my firefox seems to slow down a bit when I use this key combo. (Might be placebo)
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>>17473267
Sorry for that, it seems that in older versions of firefox checking the clipboard with new api doesn't work (in my defence, clipmon seems to have the same problem). If i had noticed earlier i probably could have marked the minimal firefox version as 53 or something, but it's too late now. Rikai works fine on my 54 though, and yomichan is all right too, so you could try updating.
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>>17473316
I know what's happening, it's actually pasting the screenshot in backround at the normal interval, so if you have an image in clipboard it does slow down firefox quite a bit. I'll see if i can make it only paste text. A workaround could be to copy some text as soon as you don't need the screenshot
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>>17473289
You don't have to read the domestic news. Japanese newspapers report on foreign events too
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What is the difference between 逆に and かえって? According to DoJG they bother mean something happened contrary to one's expectation, but why use one instead of the other?
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>>17473316
I have a fix for that, i'll upload it soon and it will probably be up in a couple days
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>>17460914
After 15 min of lurking the Cornucopia of Resources i still can't find Hanahira or anything to do with reading.
https://djtguide.neocities.org/reading%20list.html
Where do i get the sauce on all of these? The "mega" link just takes me to the CoR.
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>>17473424
https://djtguide.neocities.org/resource%20guide.html#Downloading%20VNs
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>>17473430
thanks
guess i was retarded
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Are there any rikai add-ons compatible with Palemoon?
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>>17473319
I love it when one fucking update breaks everything.
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>>17473319
I there a way to downgrade the addon? I'm in the same situation as >>17473267
Is there anything I can do or am I fucked?
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>>17471947
Thanks, i guess i was right.
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>>17473527
Update Firefox. Rikaisama still works fine.
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>>17473547
Thank you, I've updated Firefox and everything works again. Which FF update is supposed to break Rikaisama? People have been talking about it for some time but it hasn't come out yet?
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>>17473488
Well I think it's a complete rewrite or something, so it's only natural that things get broken.
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>>17473527
I managed to install the old version but Firefox tells me straight to my face that it's not verified and it doesn't let you use it anymore.
So you are just fucked and have to update, it does work now but the update broke other addons I use and my theme.

I feel so fucked in the ass holy shit.
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>>17473643
Install developer edition dude.
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>>17472865
>>17471010
>>17470961
>>17470890
>>17470857
>>17470763
Okay, I installed it. My thoughts compared to Rikaisama:
- Initial setup is kind of annoying since the dictionaries for the add-on don't come from another add-on which can be quickly installed like with Rikaisama, but instead have to be downloaded from the add-on's own website as .zip files (quick) and then manually installed via the add-on's options page (easy but slow). There is a silver lining to this though which is that the more add-ons you have active, the slower Firefox is, so since you don't need to install any addition add-ons when using Yomichan, using it should have less of an impact on Firefox's performance.

- EPWING dictionary upsides: Whereas with Rikaisama, EPWING dictionaries are really slow and you have to wait several seconds for the definition to show up, there is no delay at all with this add-on.

- EPWING dictionary downsides: You have to download a program from the add-on's website and convert the EPWING dictionary to another format (surprisingly quick and easy) and then manually add it to Yomichan via the add-on's options page (again, slow). The bigger problem though is that EPWING definitions display in the same pop-up as the non-EPWING definitions, which makes the Kenkyusha dictionary basically unusable as it has tons of example sentences accompanying every definition which bloats the pop-up to hell. Unlike Rikaisama's pop-ups, Yomichan's do have a scrollbar on them, making the length less of an issue, but it's still a nuisance having all that unnecessary information cluttering up the pop-up and getting in the way of the definitions (this is more the Kenkyusha dictionary's fault than the add-ons though, I guess - it would be nice if the developer made it possible to strip the example sentences from the original dictionary when converting it for use with the add-on, but I don't know if that's even possible).

- Since Yomichan doesn't have an 'automatic' mode like Rikaisama does, it means you have to either hold down the SHIFT key or hold down the middle mouse button while hovering over things to get the pop-up to show up. I guess this is the compromise that the developer had to make in order to get persistent pop-up window that you can scroll through, copy-paste text from, and so on. I think the benefits you get from this are probably worth it (it was always annoying with Rikaisama when there were too many possible definitions for a word so I had to go search it in Jisho instead to see the rest), but it will take some getting used to. The fact that looking words up takes that little bit more effort might be actually be a good way of discouraging over-reliance on the add-on, though.

- Can't use the Rikaicake dictionary add-on with it, which is a huge downside for me. There have been a number of times when the Rikaicake definition has meant the difference between me understanding a sentence and not understanding a sentence.

- It lists definitions in a vertical list instead of in a row like with Rikaisama, which makes the pop-up unnecessarily long.

- When hovering over a word written in kana, uncommon ways of writing that word in kanji are listed as separate definitions (e.g. 返る and 反る for かえる), which makes the pop-up unnecessarily long.

- It's less responsive than Rikaisama (it's slower at producing new definitions when moving between words).

Maybe it's just a matter of familiarity, but I prefer Rikaisama. Since it won't work for much longer though, I guess I'll have to get used to using this instead...
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>>17473802
>Since Yomichan doesn't have an 'automatic' mode like Rikaisama does
It does, if you disable both the "hold shift" and "hold middle mouse button" options, it triggers on mouse over. You still have to click to make the window go away, unlike rikai*
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>>17473802
Why wouldn't it work for much longer? Just turn off updates. Neither rikai nor clipboard inserter have EVER broken for me.
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>>17473973
All XPCOM addons will stop working with Firefox 57. Rikaisama is one of those.
Not updating your web browser is a really bad idea, unless you enjoy collecting malware.
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>>17473256
Clipinserter isn't working for me at all, ive tried a bunch of different firefox versions and nothing works.
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Clipboard inserter just broke while I was doing literally nothing and I'm here to be entitled and complain
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>>17473973
Because it's made for the old API, which Mozilla are removing from Firefox in version 57.

The developer of Clipboard Inserter just the other day updated his add-on to work with the new API. If you go to the page for it now, you'll see a little message saying "Compatible with Firefox 57+".

Assuming you meant "turn off updates for Firefox" itself, that is a really stupid thing to do. Security exploits for browsers are discovered extremely frequently. Not keeping your browser up to date is basically asking to get a virus.
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are chrome users still stuck with rikaikun?
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>>17473993
And be a faggot
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Hey can someone help me out?
アトミック侍は地球最強の剣聖!!
I think this means:
Atomic Samurai is the strongest sword master on Earth!!
What I don't understand is that there is no verb. Can the verb be omitted in some sentences or what?
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>>17474011
Can you act entitled without being a faggot? Come on man don't ruin my sketch with your redundancy
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How do I update to 57
I don't care if you shove it up my ass just give me the spoon
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>>17473969
Ohhh, thanks for that. This is so much better. I don't understand why this behaviour isn't default.

Okay, that's one of my gripes taken care of.

As for one of my other big gripes, the one about Rikaicake, it seems like it might actually be possible to convert Rikaicake to work with Yomichan via that Yomichan Import program, if I knew how to convert the dictionary file from sqlite to something else first. The dictionaries inside the .zips which Yomichan Import creates are in json format, so if there were some way of converting the sqlite dictionary file from the Firefox add-on to json then it might be possible to make the Rikaicake dictionary work with Yomichan.

Unfortunately, I have no idea how to do that.
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>>17473979
>>17473996
What if i'm mainly a chrome user and i just use firefox for using rikai over clipboard'ed text
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>>17473980
>>17473993
Could you try visiting about:debugging, turn on debugging, click debug next to clipboard inserter, go to console and post if anything is highlighted red there?
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>>17474032
Oh it's not out yet I see

So what's breaking my inserter then fucking hell
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>>17474016
>What I don't understand is that there is no verb.
Another Tae Kim victim.
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>>17473356
It's breaking firefox in other ways too, somehow. Random black panels are showing up on websites, sometimes covering the whole site. Weirdly enough, it hasn't crashed yet today, but this behaviour is almost as bad as if it did. Sometimes the scrolling makes some of the black go away.
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>>17474045
Someone made another add-on with the same functionality called Clipmon during the time when Clipboard Inserter was still built for the old add-on API. I'm currently using it because Firefox wouldn't let me install Clipboard Inserter before. You could try that and see if it works for you instead.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/clipmon/
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>>17474035
I think I'll do the same from now on, FF is removing features and breaking things every other update so I might as well stop using it.

Does Chrome have a good noscript clone now?
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>>17474033
Here's what the author had to say on RikaiCake:
>Everything except RikaiCake has been added. After having a brief glance through RikaiCake, I found that it doesn't really have enough material which is not already represented by EDICT to warrant writing a custom importer for it (not to mention RikaiCake is dead).
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>>17474041
Top message is just repeated till the start

dont hack me
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>>17474035
That's fine, as long as you don't browse any actual websites.
Any website can be hijacked to include the latest exploit kits, doubly so if you allow ads or javascript for that site.
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>>17474069
There's uMatrix, by the uBlock guy.
It looks intimidating, but it's actually not that hard to set up.
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>>17474075
Welp, there's nothing related to clipboard inserter there, maybe try clipmon and see if that works for you?
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>>17474073
>>17474095
Works, thanks anon

Although now the line and character counter aren't working
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>>17474073
Oh, that's unfortunate. It's true that most of the definitions in Rikaicake are basically just slightly changed versions of EDICT definitions which don't help at all, but there are a few cases where it plasters over a gap in EDICT's coverage. Still, if it means him having to write out some custom script to convert it, I can see why he doesn't think it's worth it.

Maybe in those cases where EDICT fails, the J-J EPWING dictionaries would also fill the gap anyway. Speaking of which, I hope he adds support for the 広辞苑 one at some point.
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Guy whose firefox slows down to a halt when print screening here

Clipmon has the same issue...

Think I'll try reverting to Clipboard inserter 0.1 with an older version of firefox, since that one had no such problems at all
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>>17474048
Why? Tae Kim says the state of being can be used implicitly. It's the first chapter if I remember correctly. If he read it, he wouldn't have a problem he has now.
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>>17474033
Okay, some more thoughts after playing around with it a bit more.

I don't really mind the EPWING thing since they didn't work well on Rikaisama either, and honestly the EDICT definitions are just a lot more convenient for their conciseness. There are dedicated programs for EPWING dictionaries like Qolibri and EBView which are a lot more appropriate.

With regards to separating definitions onto separate lines, I have mixed feelings now. I like that definitions which are actually different senses of the word are separated, like they are on Jisho.org, but I don't like that meanings within the same sense are also put onto separate lines instead of separated by commas or semi-colons. Pic related. This could be solved, I think, if the author let people customise the appearance of the pop-up in the add-on's option menu (this would be a good feature in general since you could change the background colour, font colour, font size, etc. if you don't like the default style).

Also, a tip: Don't use the name dictionary (or leave it turned off and then manually enable it only in cases where you need it to check the common readings of a name with no furigana accompanying it). If you hover over kana with the name dictionary activated, it will bury actual words under a sea of names with written in different kanji.
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>>17474262
Just set the name dictionary to the lowest priority?
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>>17474280
The problem is that the name dictionary can grab additional kana which isn't part of the word you're trying to look up, and thus the definition of that word gets bumped down below all the names which are read with that longer string of kana, even if the name dictionary is set to a lower priority. The priority only comes into effect when the name is of equal length to the word.
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Should I mine the names of the characters in the vns/books I'm consuming? Seems like it would help both with names in general and with enjoyment of the works.
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>>17474418
How good is your Japanese? I found out after some time I know most of the kanji readings for popular name characters, so I need to see/hear it at least once and I can figure it out later. If you can't do it now, it'll probably come in time. Mining would be an overkill; if it ruins your enjoyment - write it down on paper or something (with reading in hiragana) and just use it as a reference.
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>>17474451
I don't really know how I would assess myself.
You're right that mining is an overkill. I just realized that I already know how to read every name in the VN I'm reading, so I shouldn't have any troubles either way. Guess I'll just have to be patient until this becomes second nature too.

It's funny how simple technology can make or break one's learning experience.
>use texthooker + stylesheet from the guide
>set goal of reading at least 10k characters a day
>clipboard inserter keeps freezing
>character count resets every time
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So, apparently the changes where small enough to be validated automatically, and clipboard inserter version 0.2.1 is already up. The problems with multiple windows and images in clipboards should be fixed, i'd love some feedback on that.
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>>17474559
Multiple windows issue is fixed. Thanks.
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Clipboard Inserter for firefox suddenly stopped working at all. Was using it to copy from clipboard to a page in the browser.
Is there another similar addon that isn't Furigana Inserter (it breaks the spacing and makes the dictionary to not get words correctly) ?
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>>17474559
Thanks for the quick update. Image-copying slowdown seems to be fixed, indeed. I'll report back if anything strange happens.
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>>17474608
What version of firefox are you using? It's not working on 52.
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Could someone tell me what つける means in the context of 自分で反動つけたらうごくから?
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>>17474629
54.0.1

Well, somehow uninstalling it (had 0.2.0) and installing 0.2.1 manually solved the problem. Seems like the auto addon update might have broken something. That puzzled me for a while.
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So how do you differentiate potential and passive form when they conjugate the same?
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トルネードポテトをたべたい

でもおなかがふとすぎる

とうしようおにいちゃん
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>>17474732
Are you the same person asking this question every single day? Use google, read more, use the archive, or any combination of the above.

But mostly read more.

Read more.
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>>17474732
They're the same.
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>vocab related deck
>recognize word
>can't recognize meaning
>hit "hard"

was this ok or should have i gone with "again"?
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>>17474801
If you don't know the word you press Again. Hard is for when it takes you a long time to get the word (over 5 seconds).
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>>17474745
>Are you the same person asking this question every single day?
1.No.
2.Checked the last 3 threads and no one asked the same question.

>>17474763
They are not?
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>>17474732
You forgot the formal form is the same too, for verbs of group 1.
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>>17474732
The problem is that you still think in terms like potential form and passive form. The auxiliary verb られる can have both passive and potential meanings, but if you think about it - 僕はハンバーガが食べられない I can't eat hamburgers, as for me hamburgers are not eaten - there isn't really a difference, it's just a problem with translation.
五段 verbs have special 可能動詞 potential verb versions that are only potential and not passive or spontaneous, but those are separate from 食べられる or 見られる, which are not the "potential forms" of those verbs at all, just 未然形+られる. There is no such thing as a potential form in Japanese.
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>>17474843
ことできる
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There was an anon the other day who suggested どうぶつの国 and I really like it so far. I'm just wondering about the extent of how weird the grammar can be since these are animals talking and not humans. The tanukis add べ at the end of everything which is really obvious. I also noticed the animals talk in passive form constantly (still not quite sure what effect that is supposed to have). Is there anything else I should watch out for in terms of grammar so I don't develop weird habits?
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Characters on the DS look so shitty. I can't read this.
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>>17474896
Be a real boy and get a PSP
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>>17474801
What good is it knowing how to read Japanese but not what it means?
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>>17474946
It means that you might as well know nothing.
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>>17474801
I'll hit hard in this situation if the interval is <5 days, but again otherwise. Probably doesn't doesn't make too much of a difference in the long term though.
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>>17474818
Still, Aug 1 and Jul 29 both have very similar posts to yours.
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>>17475144
You don't learn Japanese, you just get progressively less bad at it.
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Where else can I get raw manga? A lot of the links in the guide are not working.
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>>17475202
It's hard to get raw manga. Use google and nyaa.si and p2p. If you still can't find it, you have to buy it.
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>>17475205
You can get pretty much any manga that isn't really obscure right? It's just that a lot of the scans are really shit
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Do you guys really AJATT tho?
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>>17475226
It's only really easy to find very mainstream or very new manga.
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>>17474843
僕はハンバーガが食べられない I can't eat hamburgers, as for me hamburgers are not eaten

It's not always that easy though. What about 僕は見られなかった - is it "I couldn't look" or "I wasn't seen"? Admittedly I've picked a pretty vague particle but still it's something that does happen.
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>>17475237
At least I get one perk from being at uni. Shitload of manga and other Japanese books at the library here.
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>>17475248
muh context
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>>17475248
何も見えなかった I couldn't see anything, nothing was seen
誰にも見えなかった No one could see it, it was not seen by anyone
It only happens to 出来ないs
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Is it even possible to look up how Japanese words are pronounced? Seems like you can look up any word in English and there will be a pronunciation somewhere.

I mean yeah eventually just from listening I found out that 靴下 isn't pronounced ku-tsu-shee-ta but sometimes I want to know right away, like 両腕.
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i accidentlaly deleted 20 cards or something by laying my notbook on my keyboard how do i get them back i don't even know what they were
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>>17475294
見える and 見られる mean totally different things.
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>>17475310
Actually 見える comes from 見ゆ, which originally comes from 見る plus the Nara-period auxiliary verb (ら)ゆ, which was the predecessor of (ら)る, which became (ら)れる in modern Japanese. (ら)ゆ has all the same meanings as (ら)れる except for the honorific meaning. This means 見える has the same spontaneous meaning:
>1 目に映る。目で確認できる。「今夜は星も―・えない」
>4 見つかる。「置いたはずの眼鏡が―・えない」
As well as the passive meaning:
>1 目に映る。目で確認できる。「今夜は星も―・えない」
>3 判断される。見受けられる。そのように感じられる。「とても高校生に―・えない」「あのようすでは失敗したと―・える」「年より若く―・える」
>4 見つかる。「置いたはずの眼鏡が―・えない」
(Some definitions repeated because the meanings overlap)
And the potential meaning:
>2 見ることができる。「猫は暗やみでも―・える」
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/210883/meaning/m0u/

The only difference is that 見られる can also be used to mean ご覧になる but 見える cannot.
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>>17475361
You didn't include any examples of 見られる for comparison. Just because some defunct grammar rule says they are the same, that doesn't mean they can't have different meanings in modern usage.
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>>17475404
Mostly because I don't think 見られる is actually a very common word when compared to 見える and no good examples come to mind. But this dictionary even gives 見える as a definition of 見られる.
https://kotobank.jp/word/%E8%A6%8B%E3%82%89%E3%82%8C%E3%82%8B-392931
And if you replace 見られる in the example sentences with 見える it still makes sense.
>反省の色が見えない
>会談を牽制けんせいするねらいと見える
The whole point originally was that 見える demonstrates the same passive/potential meaning that seems to cause you so much trouble.
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> 壊れてた優しさが涙を流してる
This may be stupid but what is this conjugation of 流れる?
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>>17475531
It's not a conjugation of 流れる, it's a conjugation of 流す.
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>>17475535
Makes sense. But I still can't figure what kind of conjugation it is.
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>>17475555
てる is short for ている.
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>>17475531
て-form of 流す
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Alright this is probably a stupid question but what does よく仕事をしますか mean? I think it means - [Do you] Often work? But I don't know, for some reason I think that's not quite right.
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>>17475605
Where did you get often from? At least use a dictionary if you don't know japanese.
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>>17475608
He got it from よく, obviously. The sentence is ridiculous but it's fake Japanese from some shitty textbook.
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>>17475605
Textbook Japanese for "do you work hard (lit. well)?"
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>>17474732
By looking at the sentence structure. How you differentiate present perfect and passive tense in English?

The album has been released.
The album was released.

Similar sounding sentences that carry quite different implications.
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What's the current state of the DoJG deck? Have all the OCR errors in it been fixed?
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>start the day
>wind picks up outside
>halfway through the deck
>massive thunderstorm, 停電 at any moment
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>>17475989
>start the day
Where the hell do you live?
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>>17475989
がんばれ
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>>17476007
NEETs can start the day whenever they feel like waking up.
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>>17476007
Where I am is an hour behind japan, to give you a rough idea
>>17476016
セーフ!
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>>17475739
It was proofread but there's probably still a rare error.
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>>17476105
Straya?
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>>17476120
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>>17475989
>>>/int/
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Which is more recommended to learn from, the Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course or Remembering the Kanji?
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>>17476216
The former because RTK uses controversial techniques
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>>17476216
The former. No first hand experience here though.
Its more recent than RTK
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>>17476216
KKLC. It's basically a greatly improved upon version of RTK.
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After years of re-learning kana and like 20 kanji I'm finally taking my Japanese studies seriously. Working through Tae Kim right now! I can learn Japanese!
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>>17476234
>>17476235
>>17476244
Well guess my choice is clear
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>>17476216
I vote RTK out of stubborn puritanism for the way I did it
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>>17476216
- The mnemonics in both are shit and neither teach readings (it's a good idea to learn at least one reading for each character, preferably the most common one, if for no other reason than to allow you to type the kanji you've learned, which is a handy thing to be able to do).

- RTK has a community site (koohii) from which you can steal mnemonics to make up for the shit ones Heisig gives.

- KKLC gives more accurate meanings and example vocabulary to demonstrate those meanings. I would advise against actually trying to learn the example vocabulary though because trying to learn that on top of the kanji will slow you down a lot, you have no way of knowing whether the word you're taking the effort to learn is actually useful, and learning words outside of their context (sentences and phrases) is just generally a bad idea.
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How much grammar do I need to have down to start reading something like Yuru Yuri or To Love Ru? I really want to jump into reading, but don't want to get fucked.
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>>17476344
Just the basic stuff, both of those are pretty simple.
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>>17476344
Yryr has no furigana so you'll have to know your kanjis pretty good
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>>17476370
That's fine, I don't mind needing to look up vocabulary.
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How do I fix unrecognized kernel32 in Dracu-Riot?
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>>17476327
>it's a good idea to learn at least one reading for each character
said no one ever
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>>17476453
I just said it though.
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>>17476263
君なら出来る
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>>17476536
やさしい方発見
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The grammar guide is massive! I'm reading it in preparation for trying to read actual Japanese literature but I doubt anything I learn is actually sticking
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Question about word mining in anki
I've hit a roadblock in my studies and I want to know how to move beyond N1
N1 had a vocab list collected from past N1 exams which was easy since all I had to do was study these premade decks with the, but beyond this I'm trying to mine new vocab for things above N1 yet are still in the daily vernacular
I asked before in one of these threads what people put in their self-mined decks, and a lot people agreed that they added anything that they didn't know, but there has to be a better way to do this because a lot of unknown words are surely obscure and only used in certain fields

I don't know, how do you mine words for your self-decks?
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>>17476588
why don't you just read real books?
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http://www.coelang.tufs.ac.jp/mt/ja/gmod/

This reliable for Japanese language grammar clarification? For some nuances it's hard to understand through an English-speakers explanation like たら vs ば. None of the free guides out there are able to shed light on this properly.
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>>17476615
I do. I also read movie reviews, blogs, news, etc.
The issue is an efficient way of mining words and phrases
I was reading some essays written in the 90s, and while I started mining every expression I didn't know, I wondered which ones were actually relevant to today's usage, or if they can be skipped since most people (even native speakers) tend to just google it
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How long should a reading comprehension question take you to answer? You know, so you don't run out of time if you're taking a test.
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>>17476327
> RTK has a community site (koohii) from which you can steal mnemonics
Having used both, I like KKLC the best, because the graphemes are consistent in most of the entries. But I agree with you that some of the mnemonics are bad, which is why it's best to make your own mnemonics (like what RTK instructed us to do) or steal them like what you suggested. I kind of extend this idea by aggregating mnemonics from multiple resources including henshall's 漢字完全ガイド and kanji damage (I'd say this is 99% useless).
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もう死んで早く
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>>17476588
Out of curiosity, for how long have you been studying?
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>>17476752
Way, way, way in the past when I took English classes, the advanced courses were all about reading comprehension and text analysis. One of the many techniques one uses for reading stuff in a limited amount of time are both skimming and scanning. Basically you look around for key information and answer fast without wasting time on useless stuff, which I'm pretty sure everyone uses on their daily lives so it's not exactly world changing, but in a sense you're not reading to fully comprehend the text but rather it's more of a conscious effort to look for the appropirate information to answer the question.

>>17476588
I'm of the mindset that you learn what you need to rather than to learn for the sake of learning (at least vocabulary-wise). So I agree with those other people you mention, add anything that you don't know and want or need to know. If you already consume stuff from all over and don't find anything new then you probably already know what is "common knowledge" and your only option is to start looking around in particular fields with technical jargon.
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>>17476588
>and a lot people agreed that they added anything that they didn't know
What someone else once shared with me though is that they only add words which fall under a certain frequency of usage. The context was using the auto-import feature of Rikaisama but the frequency data displays even if not using the auto-import feature.
Selecting an arbitrary upper limit to the frequency value and not adding words which fall above this value one way you could go about it.

I have no personal experience with this approach but my method is to add any unknown words from what I'm reading, which isn't really what you're after.

>>17476615
>ask question about mining
>hurr durr why don't you read real books
You "read more" faggots are insufferable. Not only do you not bother to read the posts you tend to respond to but you make no effort to take part in the conversation. It's so fucking obnoxious.
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>>17476588
I think a good idea would be to get a textbook on some topic that interests you, and work through it. Your Japanese vocab will increase a bit, and you'll also learn other stuff in the process. I think that's a win-win.
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>>17476943
>skimming and scanning
True, I use this all the time in my own language. I'll pay more attention to key words and not sweat the details and see if my time improves.
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>>17476327
KKLC teaches readings, just not inside its mnemonics.
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So 天鵞絨 is supposed to be "velvet". But when I google it I get mostly green colors. Why is that?
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>>17477205
velvet is a material, famalam
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>>17477232
Huh, I always thought it was a red color. It's interesting how when you google "velvet" you get almost only red but when you google "天鵞絨" you get the aforementioned green. I wonder why
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>>17477232
>>17477240
No wait... what is this then?
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おはようおにいちゃん

>>17477246
川端とかの小説でみたことあるかも

赤っぽいんじゃないかなあとおもってたんだけど

みどりっぽかったんだー
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>>17477246
Colors can be named after things.
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>>17477253
納戸はいまでもつかうとおもうよ

ナンドってよむんだけど

色の名前としてはあんまりつかわないんだけど

部屋の名前でよくでてくるとおもうよ

夏なら冬物を、冬なら夏物をしまっておくへやだよ

がんばれおにいちゃん
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i though 振り返って was only a physical act for some reason when I learned it first
now I can't help but people still doing it when just reflecting send help
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Is there any guide on how to read kanji as family name ?
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>>17477296
みょうじのこと?

ぐーぐるせんせいはここがいいって
http://www.myshop.co.jp/japancal/fname/index.html
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I neglected Anki all weekend...
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>>17477296
>>17477329
クイズっていうのが

ぜんぜんよめなかったよ

よめない苗字おおいんだよー
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>>17477329
No result. Any idea how to read this as family name ?
巫女神
みこ かみ / みこがみ ?
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>>17477361
たぶんどっちもいるとおもうよ

なんちゃらめがみかもしれないし

わかんないよ
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>>17476588
Obscure words are the best words to mine. The goal is complete fluency. Common words will probably be picked up just from reading and listening anyway.
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>>17460914
how do you say can i speak to the person on the stage in japanese
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>>17477432
please respond
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Anyone able to help me out? I'm going to anisama and heard that they have changed their rules on otagei this year. I tried translating this with Google translate but that left me with a huge mess so if someone could give me a run down on what it says that would be much appreciated. I really only need to know if I'm allowed to bring my king's blade penlights with me or not.
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>>17477479
attention

Red card:lewd,mayhem,alcoholic
Yellow card:noise,hug,iphone&android
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>>17477479
sheeit man I don't even read stuff in english thats that long
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>>17477334
I never skipped in 304 days. I wonder what would happen if I did. My life is hell. I can't do anything. If I have to stay late at work or have to do something in town, I usually go back home before midnight and do Anki skipping whatever I had to do. My life is hell.
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>>17477436
This is not Translation General, we're learning here. Ask /int/.
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Is 'American football club member' a fair translation for アメフト部で活躍? I feel like 活躍 makes them sound like an important member, but I'm not sure how to translate this as I'm not very familiar with school club culture in Japan.
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>>17477747
>>17477720
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Help particles and transitive verbs hurt my brain
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>>17477778
Try a language without particles or transitive verbs then
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>>17477776
I'm learning too and I have nobody to help me. Am I not allowed to post in a thread full of people asking for help with learning?
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>tfw 4 cards per minute
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>>17477788
We're learning to read and understand, not translate into natural sounding japanese.
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>>17477803
I interpreted it as a reading problem. I've only started reading recently and I feel like sometimes I'm being too reductionist with my readings. My instinct is to read 活躍 as 'member', but it seems far too reductionist and I was wondering if anyone more experienced could correct me.
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>>17477831
It doesn't mean member. Try looking it up in a dictionary and understanding it as a Japanese word with the definition given there instead of trying to force it to be equivalent to a single English word.
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Handwriting is my weakness, can I double-check this is ゆえ?
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>>17478179
For context, the character is talking about needing to stop taking something. I thought it might be ぬえ, but ゆえ fits better.
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>>17478179
No, it's ねぇ
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>>17478189
Thanks, that looks better.
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How do you decide what exactly you're going to mine when there are more than one reading and kanji being offered?
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>>17478261
The most popular one / the one you encountered / all of them? It's like 奇蹟 and 奇跡, the first one is probably more often used, but I encounter the second one more frequently.
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Never trusting rikai's frequency data again.
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>>17477715
set your anki rollover to 6am the next morning
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>>17477715
Tell your boss that slavery is illegal and punch him in the face. Or do Anki on your phone while at work.
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>>17478355
The _r means it's for the kana form because there's no frequency data for the kanji form.
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>>17478444
If there's no frequency data it shouldn't give any frequency data at all.
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>>17477064
>KKLC teaches readings
*shows readings

It doesn't "teach" them anymore than Jisho or any other kanji look-up resource does.
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>>17478457
By that logic RTK doesn't teach anything at all.
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>>17478457
guess nothing teaches anything then
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>>17478464
You're right, it doesn't.

It just gives you a system for learning kanji, like KKLC does. Neither give a system or any sort of instruction when it comes to readings, however.
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>>17478471
so you responded to an eight hour old post because it used the word "teach" the way it actually means something instead of your autismal meaningless version of it

what the fuck is wrong with you
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>>17478471
When you're not talking about a mentor or teacher that you interact with personally, there's no difference between systematically providing information and teaching it. They are literally the same thing.
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>>17478457
>>17478471
KKLC doesn't teach the readings through mnemonics, but it provides the ability to learn readings through the sample vocab. The suggested vocab terms contain the primary on readings. It's all there in the introduction to the book, he says specifically that you have to read alongside studying the system. Vocab is the way to learn kanji readings.
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Can someone explain the 帖 in うらら迷路帖?
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>>17460914
>変な街だと思ったら
>住んでるのも とち狂った連中だね

I thought this town was strange, but that's nothing compared to the people who live here.

i just dont get the second sentence with the ominous とち what is this derived from?

pls help
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>>17477479
Last bullet point in the second section:

Penlights larger than 30cm are not allowed. Ones that have been modified to be brighter than normal are forbidden as well.
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>>17478783
Apparently it's a suffix that attaches to nouns and verbs to make them sound dumb or silly.
https://kotobank.jp/word/%E3%81%A8%E3%81%A1-583752
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>>17478887
I meant prefix
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>>17478890
No. It explains everything to you on the left with graphics and on the right with very simple kanji that are easy to look up.
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自家発電
hmm
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>>17478362
Right now I'm at least sleeping at night.

>>17478380
>Or do Anki on your phone while at work.
Thought about it. And it's usually voluntary overtime when I'm at work on the evening, pays well. I'm more of a slave to learning Japanese. At first I had a goal, I wanted to read VNs I picked and shit, now I don't know anymore.
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>>17478929
You've clearly never played No More Heroes
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>>17478929
Is this the Japanese word for wizard powers?
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How much are you reading daily DJT?

I just noticed that I started reading Hanahira in January, I didn't finish it to this day.
There was some shit going on in my life, I barely had time to read, but to be honest I often used that little precious free time I had for other things, so yeah I'm guilty of being a lazy faggot.

Is there some goal you are setting yourself that you want to reach everyday?
I think I need to set goals for myself or my lazy ass won't learn Japanese in this lifetime.
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>>17479107
I just started reading, myself, so I try to spend at least a little while reading every day. No special amount of time or anything, to me it's more important that I just do some at all.
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>>17479107
>How much are you reading daily DJT?
I usually spend around three to four hours a day for Japanese, usually after work. My reading time is whatever's left after Anki.

Speaking of which, is there something between Hanahira and Senren Banka-tier VNs? Hanahira is too easy for me (and boring), but when I tried reading Senren Banka - it turned out too difficult. Right now I'm reading various manga and trying to learn enough vocab to raise my proficiency, but I'd like to try something with more complicated prose. I wanted to pick up some LNs, but I find it more difficult without the voice.

So, any suggestions?
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>>17479107
2+ hours
You didn't read because you picked something boring which you didn't feel like reading.
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>>17479107
500-1000 lines a day. I've gone up to 4000.
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>>17479145
https://vnscripts.neocities.org/stats.html
Sort by VN 5k or VN 5k sans 50. More coverage is easier.
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>>17479152
Woah, thanks.
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>>17479107
Like 20 minutes 2bh
I also sporadically read articles throughout the day though.
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>>17479152
>senrenbanka is below hanahira
Am I doing something wrong?
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>>17479176
Yes, hanahira is only recommended because it's pathologically short, it's freeware, every sentence is very short, and has no narration so it's 100% voiced.
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>>17479176
You probably got hit by "first page syndrome" when you tried reading Senren Banka.
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>>17479180
>>17479183
Ok, I'll try reading it again and if it doesn't work - I'll pick something below it. Thanks, guys.
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>>17460914
>よくないだろ
>服がしゃべるか普通

subs tell:
>This is serious! Since when do uniforms talk?!

from my understanding a closer and more literal translation is:
>that cant be good
>clothing that talks like normal.
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>>17479191
"Doesn't work" is just you being a wuss and instantly giving up. A lot of people start with things 3 times as hard as Yuzusoft moege and do just fine.
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>>17479194
Your understanding of 服がしゃべるか普通 is completely wrong. The subs are closer.
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>>17479194
dont try correcting things when youre a day 1 beginner
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>>17479194
>服がしゃべるか普通
服がしゃべるか? 普通(には)
服が普通にしゃべるのか?
Do clothes talk? Normally, I mean.
Do clothes normally talk?
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>>17479197
Okay, screw this, I'm reading it. You're right, I'm not gonna learn anything with an attitude like this.
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>>17479194
>服がしゃべるか普通
>clothing that talks like normal.
Like >>17479200 said. Check the grammar reference.
https://djtarchive.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#Rhetorical Question
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>>17479227
Good. Perhaps you can learn Japanese after all.
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Hey lads. I have a question for anyone who can answer it.

So, I'm struggling with entering into kanji. I know I need to learn both the オンよみ AND くんよみ. However, in some cases there are literally 10+ of each. That's a little bit much, how do I know which ones to learn?

As an example:

生 {
 くん: い.きる、 い.かす、 い.ける、 う.まれる、 うま.れる、 う.まれ、 うまれ、 う.む、 お.う、 は.える、 は.やす、 き、 なま、 なま-、 な.る、 な.す、 む.す、 -う

 オン: セイ、 ショウ

Definitions: life, genuine, birth
}

Which reading am I supposed to put? I assume because it's spoken as 「なま」or 「セイ」 because when I use my IME, those are the two that convert into 生 however, is that the way to tell or is there a different/better way?


(Second not as important question: Is there an official djt place to discuss things? Like an irc or discord?)
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>>17479294
Learn words, not kanji.
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>>17479306
But it's vocabulary words on imabi. They're not really specific with which words to go with. They just say

> 生  雨  長  金  風  中  円  魚  日  刀  土 小  上  山  女  男  子  海  耳
> 2. Write out each Kanji above 10 times.
> 3. Write out the readings, meanings, and examples on another sheet of paper.
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>>17479313
Skip it.
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>>17479313
That's retarded. Just go read.
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>>17479313
Use a guide that doesn't waste your time. http://sakubi.neocities.org/
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>>17479317
>>17479325

Alright. Thank you.

>>17479327
I'll check this out. But I worry about wasting my time looking into the hundreds of grammar guides available. I already know more about the guides than the actual grammar itself.
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機は熟したのだ

which reading of 熟した is that?
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>>17479294
Learn the words that use them - now you know the readings. Once I skimmed through the whole jouyou list to find every "official" reading and learned at least one word with each (and after doing core and couple months of reading there was like 20 of them or so). So yeah, skip the part with the reading or write down your favorite one.
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>>17479336
こなす
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>>17479107
At least 10k chars a day
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>>17479390
That's practically nothing. Count lines or hours and stop deceiving yourself.
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>>17479396
Lines are more deceiving since many lines are just 「あの…」 or even 「………」

Hours is harder to keep track of since I might stop for half an hour to eat lunch or something, and I don't wanna mess with timers.

Counting characters still seems like the most sensible choice to me.
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おはようおにいちゃん

きょうは無条件降伏の日

そのあと指揮官もひとりを除いてみんな死刑になった

あめりか

あなたはころしすぎる
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man
fuck this shit
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>>17479145
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KnyyDt7jimEz-dgeMSKymRaT2r3QKBPm9AzqZ6oUWAs/pub


>>17479294
>>17479330
Just use Tae Kim's grammar guide until you're good enough that you need more resources. For kanji use KKLC. Learn readings with vocabulary and your mind will naturally learn to read compounds.
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What's the difference between 中高 and 中学(校)? Which one is more correct and why?
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>>17479759
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KnyyDt7jimEz-dgeMSKymRaT2r3QKBPm9AzqZ6oUWAs/pub
Thanks.
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>>17479802
>中高
what
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>>17479809
>中高
jisho is telling me this is the on reading for middle school, but I know it should be 中学校, right?

This is what I hate about learning new languages, you can never tell the validity of a site until it's too late.
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>>17479822
中高 refers to both middle school and high school collectively.
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/143217/meaning/m0u/%E4%B8%AD%E9%AB%98/
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>>17479845
Thank you kindly
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いただく
stem should be:
いただき
making the polite form:
いただきます

What then, is the origin of いただけます that I'm seeing in Take Kim's guide? Is it an exception, or did he make a boo-boo?
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>>17479865
いただける
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>>17479865
Install rikai and stop being stupid?
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>>17479865
いただく is a 五段 u-verb
That means it has a 可能動詞 version ending in -eru with a potential meaning
行く to go 行ける to be able to go
いただく to receive いただける to be able to receive
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>>17479878
>>17479867
Of course, thanks (*^^)v
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マヨラー
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>>17479929
マヨが楽器ですか?
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How far into Tae Kim do I need to be before I can start reading manga?
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>>17480385
when you get to advanced topics, only do 'showing signs of something' and 'covered by something'
the rest are pretty rare in that section
everything before that section is common
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>>17480385
I don't know, you should try reading manga the whole time to find out.
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>>17480422
So basic and essential sections at least?
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>>17480437
Yes, and don't actually ignore the advanced, still do that section at least once so you get a reference point if you see it in the wild, and know where you can come back to nail it down further
You said manga so that stuff doesn't really show up there a lot
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How does everyone else handle Tae Kim in learning grammar? I'm reading it but not really learning anything and I'm lost when it comes to reading real manga
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>>17480455
It takes time, not effort.
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>>17480450
When you say do, do you mean read through it once and do the exercises? I mean, I doubt I'm actually going to remember everything, but I'm not sure how many passes through it I should do before reading.
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>>17480455
Read the whole thing once so you know where everything is.Then focus on section 3 and start reading real material and refer to other sections. It'll get easier with time. Don't expect to understand anything 100% from the get go... just get a gist of what's going on and move forward. It's easier if you first pick material you've read in english or your native language.
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>>17480475
There are no exercises beyond past tense.
And do this >>17480478
One pass is not enough to remember everything; we're throwing wet mud at a wall here. Some might stick...
Plastering is reading + reference for that nice smooth finish
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40
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Okay everyone, I'm new here, I know a couple hundred kanji and have just finished my second pass of Tae Kim. I want to take >>17480495
advice and just started reading. Any suggestions? Anyone want to get an irc channel going to shit on each other as we try to read the same thing?
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>>17480543
the guide has a good recommendation, if you actually read it
Although I'm probably replying to the reddit post paster so shame on me
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>はっぴぃヱンド
You don't see ヱ very often.
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>>17480589
first time ive seen the kata variant of that (´・ω・`)
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>>17464980
Best-selling nipponese children's book:
http://djt.netlify.com/b/[黒柳徹子]%20窓際のトットちゃん/index.html
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ヱビスビールhttps://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%B1%E3%83%93%E3%82%B9%E3%83%93%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB
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>>17480589
Speaking of which, why is that character romanised as "we" when it's actually just an "e" sound?
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>>17480649
It's sometimes romanized that way to differentiate it from え/エ, and it was pronounced we at one point in time.

I wonder how many stupid EOPs pronounce the touhou character てゐ's name as "tooie" because it's always romanized tewi.
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>>17480675
real men day tehwee
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>>17480682
>tehwee
That's how I say it.
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>>17480768
>>17480682
>>17480675
Am I the only one who pronounces it how it's actually meant to be pronounced?
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Given that 飲みすぎる means "drink too much" would it be fair to say that 飲まなさすぎる means "drink too little" (as in dying of thirst)?
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>>17480834
Yeah but it's weird and rare and technically you don't need to add the さ
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>>17480776
Dude, most people call this came Taw-haw instead of トーホー.
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>>17480675
>I wonder how many stupid EOPs pronounce
a lot
and everything~
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>>17480834
Seems to be an extremely uncommon way of speaking.

The first result in Google is actually from a thread on some language learning site posted by a clueless gaijin who can't even tell the difference between 飲む and 読む. The only native responded told him that Japanese people don't speak like that. Wonder how many other results are also non-natives misusing the language.
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I just started learning this last week, I already know the k/s/t/n/h/ and all the " shit too. I also learned some basic grammar through some book I bought a month ago on amazon, stuff like how to use は、が、と and stuff, and of course a few words here and there. it's going pretty good so far. What more am I in for anons? Is there going to be a hard difficult spike soon or can I just keep this up like this?
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>>17481223
A lot of stuff, but keep it up.
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>>17481223
You can't even fathom how much work you have left in front of you. If I knew three years ago what I know now I would have gotten discouraged and quit without a doubt.
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>>17481357
>I would have gotten discouraged and quit without a doubt.
what if he shows up everywhere there is a body of water(it just shrinks him to the appropriate size)
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>>17481088
あたしはなんとなくわかるけどなあ

のまなさすぎる
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tfw too interested in the story to stop and absorb new words or look up unrecognized grammar formations because you're understanding 75% of it anyway. Am I missing the point of "learning by reading" or does this just mean I'm doing okay?
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>>17481547
Behold the power of compelling content!
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>>17481536
まがりなりにも?
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>>17481547
>because you're understanding 75% of it anyway
my autismo will only let me get away with 90% or more, only dropping shit that is overwhelmingly vague or abstract
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>>17481587
The fact that it's an LN helps, because there's plenty of repeated info and recaps, etc. That having been said, there are of course times where I lose track of what's going on and have to reread entire passages, but ultimately this has been pretty productive for me. Just gonna keep reading books for study and grammar guides on the side.
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>>17479107
Make concrete plans to study. Time, place, subject matter. Envision yourself doing those things tomorrow and the next day. Put yourself in situations where all you can do is study (like go to the library with all of your things, turn off your internet, etc.) Think positively.
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>>17480834
>>17480873
>>17481088
形容詞の「ない」に続くときは「なさすぎる」(お金がなさ-)、接尾語の「…ない」に続くときは「…なすぎる」「…なさすぎる」(せわしな(さ)すぎる)、打ち消しを表す助動詞の「…ない」につづくときは「…なすぎる」(読まなすぎる)となるのが一般的であるとされる。
この場合は、助動詞の「ない」なので「飲まなすぎる」でよい。
「さ」は、形容詞を名詞化する際に使う接尾辞です。




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