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http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>17700093
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How many languages do you know, anon? By knowing I mean being able to watch the news, picking up a newspaper and reading it or watching movies in said language.

http://www.strawpoll.me/14043083
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黒人大嫌い
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>>17711760
同じく
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日本語
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>>17711806
韓国語
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>>17711745
I wish I could write 3, but my japanese is still only usefull for 少年 material. I plan to study the news before 2018.
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>>17711745
3
I'm hoping to make that 4 with Japanese in 1-2 years.
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>>17711826
>>17711829
You can do it, anons.
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>>17711745
1

I'm too retarded to learn a 2nd language
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I received a 'there are more cards to review' message, increased my review limit and reviewed them. Then I got this message. I double-checked with the site in the OP and I have indeed reviewed all my new cards for today - why am I getting this message?
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>>17712092
Because you have reached your limit for new cards for today.
If you want to go full retard, set the new cards/day limit to 9999.
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>>17712100
Thanks, I have a limit for new cards set but this is the first time Anki has told me about it. Maybe the review limit message flagged something and is now showing me the new card limit message.
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>>17712105
Make sure your review limit is set to 9999 and your cards per day to 20 or whatever you use. Reboot Anki or your PC. Maybe that will fix the problem.
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what words should a total beginner (can read hiragana and katakana) learn? Like what are the most commonly used words that would help me understand a native speaker?
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>>17710420

BECAUSE I AM LEARNING KANJI ATM. Anons here helped me with my questions before, I helped other with my answers. But I don't care, I am leaving. Good luck guys.

>>17710483

Superior how? By admiting I wasted 2,5 years of my live studying Japanese and failing to graduate because I couldn't handle kanji? Like I said above, I am out if that's how you feel.
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>>17711806
はあ?
それってどういう意図なの?
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What the fuck do I do about my low retention rate

>>17712193
nihao
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>>17712193
出来ない
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>>17712418
読んだり読んだり読んだりする
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>>17712431
thank you fatal1ty very wise words
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>>17712432
ケク that gave me a chuckle
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>>17712431
よむより

こえまねが

いいとおもうよ
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>>17711745
Two, my native language and English.
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むらかみってゆうめいなの?

よんだことない

よまずぎらいなのかな?
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>>17712659
口がないが悲鳴を上げる必要がある
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>>17712688
さあおおきなこえで
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge18n2JCwBs
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ラスベガスで出入り?

ちのけがおおいよね
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Let's have some fun.

What Japanese word is illustrated by this image?
Can you guess it?
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>>17713076
ブラドロップ
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>>17713087
quite close actually
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>>17713076
ぶら下げる obviously.
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>>17713099
*ding ding ding*

Have a cute as reward.
Actually I thought of ぶら下がる but close enough.
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What's the kanji in the bottom left supposed to be?

Context: They have to do a couple quiz answering questions about each other.
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>>17713108
What shiw is this grill from?
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>>17713166
ひよっこ
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>>17713209
name your axis, faggot
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>>17713211
VNFreqList 90% target http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats
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>>17713209
95% target
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>>17711745
Three: Native tongue, English and Japanese (JLPT N1 passed some time ago)
Currently learning German
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>>17713239
And what's the native tongue?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4ngIcz9ru4
feels
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>>17713265
Ce n'est pas très important
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>>17711745
Austrian German dialect (Native Tongue), real German, English, Japanese.

Putting the dialect here because it can barely be classified as German.

I also took 4 years of Italian in school but I don't remember anything aside from ordering in a restaurant and some other phrases.
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what does this sign really say? can someone translate pls?
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>>17713358
Do not be human garbage when left here.
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>>17713358
it says
DO NOT DUMB HERE.
NOT DUMB AREA HERE.
or in japanese
ここに馬鹿するな
ここに不馬鹿所
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>>17713308
>baguette learning jap before german
What the hell, anon?
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>>17713358
Please don't dump trash here.
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>>17713380
How is it surprising?
I am not exactly learning German for pure pleasure (like with Japanese), I just moved to Germany so I need to adapt
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>>17713447
Precisely because of that. Nowadays I take it for granted that a lot of people are moving between France, Germany and the UK, since they're the ones who control the EU. (well, they were before the UK decided to leave)
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>>17713455
I am not going to learn fucking french
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>>17713376
>or in japanese
>ここに馬鹿するな
>ここに不馬鹿所
that's not what japanese part in the original pic says.
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>卍巴
Is 卍 used for literally anything else?
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>>17713541
Like this, kind of.
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>>17713541
Showing location of temples on a map.

I'm not sure about post tokyo olympics 2020 maps though.
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ええLINEスタンプを見つけたて嬉しいやねん
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炎石

How is this pronounced, can't find it in a dictionary.
えんせき? ほのおいし? ひうちいし?
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>>17713682
ほのおのいし

かなあ
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Today I mined the following words:

双眸
肉薄
甲板
硫黄
咆哮
魔窟
へそ曲がり

>>17710958
~3 years.
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>>17713750
Oh, another bit of interesting info. At first, there were actually 305 different prefectures, but the number was consolidated over time until it was finally reduced to the modern number of 47 in 1888.
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あきになると

きのこがたべたくなるよね

あの

たかいきのこが
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>>17713784
こいつを炊いてあげる
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>>17713750
https://www.supermemo.com/en/articles/sleep#Insomnia

Ideally, you should go to sleep only when you are very tired and wake up without an alarm clock.
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>>17711760
how do i git good at reading small text, i couldn't tell that that was 嫌い because you can't really even tell it's the 女 radical on the left on a monitor

do i need to get a 4k monitor and zoom hella in?
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>>17713750
Turn off everything that emits blue light.
Look into f.lux
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>>17713824
>do i need to get a 4k monitor and zoom hella in?
no, make only the kanji font bigger using scripts
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>>17713798
N1~

>ベニテングタケ Amanita muscaria(L.:Fr.)Pers.
テングダケ科テングダケ属

>秋~夏、針葉樹林・広葉樹林(特にカバノキ属)の林内地上に発生。中型~大型。傘は鮮赤色~橙黄色。白色のいぼをもち、周辺には条線を有する。ひだは白色で密。柄は白色で、上部に白色膜質のつばを有する、つばより下部はいくぶんささくれる、さらに基部は塊茎状に膨らみ、白色のつぼの名残が環状に残る(中略)

>イボテン酸・ムッシモール・ムスカリンなどで、おもに嘔吐、精神攪乱、幻覚、筋肉のけいれんなどをひきおこす(中略)

>西洋ではFly Afaricの異名をとる

>ヨーロッパにおいては「幸福のシンボル」と考えられている

いんよう「きのこ図鑑」writtn by 本郷次雄・幼菌の会

なんかもうひどーい
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Does anyone here use 俺?
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>>17713817
I was tired, I just kept having all these weird thoughts rushing through my head and couldn't shut them off. I tried directing my thoughts toward a specific thing, but they just kept getting side-tracked into the stream of nonsense. I also tried concentrating just on my breathing and trying not to think about anything, but that didn't work either.

This happens to me every now and then. I don't know what causes it. I'm not a good sleeper in general, but I'm not normally this bad.
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>>17713850
Only when I'm talking to あなたのお母さん
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>>17713824
You need to read more so you can recognize characters without breaking down the radicals.
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吃逆
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>>17713152
裏筋
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Is 気がきくねー just an alternative way of saying 気が気じゃない? I can't really figure out what it is. As usual I must be missing something really obvious.
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>>17713889
気が利く
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>>17713892
I see. Shouldn't it be 利かない though instead of 利くない like she said? Or am I not allowed to treat this as a verb?
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>>17713907
nvm I'm stupid disregard this
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>>17713850
No i just use このホモ
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>2017-10-01 Added Oretsuba, its prelude, and its afterstory.
Seems like reports of Oretsuba's difficulty has been greatly exaggerated. High kanji count though.
http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats
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>>17714075
>This project covers 31.5 million lexemes with an upper bound of 37.8MB entropy (1024^2, circa 40 million bytes; upper bound; LZMA2/7z).
What's this about?
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Is there any helpful method of memorizing which verbs are -う or -る? Or is it pure memorization?
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>>17714075
whats with astelight shuushuubako then
do even natives have a rough time of that one?
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>>17711739
test
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>>17714133
If you're reading then it doesn't matter, and if you're writing or speaking and you don't know instinctively then you don't know the word well enough to use properly it anyway.
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>>17714175
テスト
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best manga reader in current year?
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>>17714281
i like honeyview 3 on pc
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>tfw 80% retention rate
>tfw jap study stagnated like shit
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Why?
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>>17714163
Some EGS reviews of Mareni's games mention the text being too dense/hard to read.
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>>17714645
ご苦労
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>>17714645
お疲れ
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>>17714645
Now I want one for Proper names
>Do it
>Now
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>>17714534
Just is, because reasons. Same with the whole しか~ない pattern.
Whatever the historical reasons are, you don't really need to know as a learner, but maybe as a linguist.
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>>17714695
What sort of proper names?
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>>17714701
しこたまあんきするしかない
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>>17714708
A list on Person's names.
With kanji
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>>17714695
go away evil dogger!
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>>17714718
https://myoji-yurai.net
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>>17714752
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いいえ。各個人で特色の出る物よ。
Does this で mean per? Like the で in dojg intermediate page 27?
Context is that vampires get a power by drinking blood.
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>>17714645
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>>17714695
Go away evil dogger.
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>>17714701
Alright then. I was just hoping for something to make it "click" at least. A bit frustrating they don't give examples of what would be correct instead or give any other explanations, that sounds too arbitrary like that.

しかない makes sense if you think of xしか as "aside from x there is ない" though.

I feel like reading through DoJG is making arise more questions than it is answering any and makes my head hurt sometimes.
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>>17714780
あてじまで登録されてた

すごーい
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>>17714695
>>17714708
I've actually been thinking of starting a mining deck for people's names, but I haven't gotten round to doing it yet and I have no idea how long it would take before it got enough names in it to be worth uploading somewhere.

The name decks on AnkiWeb all suck since they don't tell you whether a name is male or female.
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Where can I find a list of all 2000 kanji's in the Anki deck?
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When do you consider having learned a language? Mine is when you can express your true personality in a langauge
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>>17714907
being able to understand porn in that language
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>>17714940
だれだろうこのみょうれいなごふじんは

もげろ
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I'm having issue understanding 釣り合いません in context here, is it kind of just belittling 騒がれたりするの here? Like "It isn't worth her talent to bring such affairs"?
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anyone got a download link for Nakama 2 audio files?
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おなかすいた

おまんじゅうたべたい
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>>17715164
埼玉県より
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>>17714890
Okay, I've started it.

Don't expect me to upload it any time soon though. Maybe once it reaches 500 or 1000 names I'll post it, but I don't know how long that will take.

Data on the cards: name in kanji, reading(s) of that name, whether it's a family name or given name, and, if it's a given name, whether it's a male or female name.

I'm also tagging cards according to family name/given name and (when applicable) male/female.
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>>17715219
Anon you are a power house. 頑張ってね
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>>17715219
Oh yeah, and since this will be a mined deck, obviously it will only include readings that I have actually encountered. If I added every possible reading, I think it would just become unmanageable, and some possible readings might be really uncommon and hardly ever used.

I'm also not going to be making cards for names written with kana.
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振る (ふる) [to wave/shake] is made up of 手・て [hand] and 辰・たつ [man with a hoe], representing a farmer in the field leaning on his hoe and waving to passersby.
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>>17715251
well as long as shes happy
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>>17715125
unbecoming
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>>17715204
おいしそー

あんはなにかな
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おはよさん
今日も頑張ろうな
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I'm a little past one month into Anki. Is this good or bad? I felt a little burned out in the last ten minutes or so but due to workfag reasons I have a pretty shitty sleeping schedule (I did this off 4 hours sleep). Overall, especially on a day with decent sleep I actually feel pretty comfortable at the pace I'm going. I think if I actually did some reading on the side it might be easier but I don't know where to read entry level easy shit that isn't VN's or manga.


Also what do you guys do with leeched cards? I just switched mine to tag only but I'm wondering if maybe it might be better to leave it as it is. The thing is I feel that I was getting the hang of a fair amount of the cards that were leeched in my deck so I'm entirely to sure. I guess I can always change the amount of times before getting leeched later on.
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>>17715395
>so I'm entirely to sure
not entirely sure*
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>>17715395
If you're not burying leeches you're wasting time you could be spending learning other words or reading.
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>>17715395
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>>17715395
>I'm a little past one month into Anki. Is this good or bad?
its fine, get more sleep though
below 70% then things look grim, aim for above 80%
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do people ever write 今日は? or do they just use kana?
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>>17713728
You just add の?
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>>17714315
I think MComix is better, though don't really read mango.
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>>17715448
Why not use a good dictionary? Yomichan (and by extension all JMDict based texthookers/web dictionaries I think) tells you it's usually written with kana.
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>>17715489
sometimes i just feel like asking people to confirm
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>>17714534
I think you could just throw a と同じ in there to make it work.
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>>17714890
>since they don't tell you whether a name is male or female.
A deck for first names would be pointless.
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>>17715410
>below 70% then things look grim, aim for above 80%
This is only relevant in the context of mature cards.
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>>17715610
Don't you also need くらい in this case?
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>>17715455
いれるとかわいいよ
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>>17715204
ジャパりまんかってきた
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I can't figure out what バ配症 means here. Either I got one of the kanji wrong or it's a made up term that I found no search results for.
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>>17715838
心配症
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>>17715847
Ah, thank you. I never would have guessed that first one was 心 even though I know バ made no sense.
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>>17715855
The "dakuten" are the upper and right strokes of 心, you'll get used to it as you encounter more handwritten Japanese.
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症ってのがわからない

病とどうちがうの?
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>>17715974
英語のdiseaseとillnessの違いと同じでしょう?
つまり違いがあるんだけど意味は同じくらいよ
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ふじのやまい...ロリコン
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Has anyone ever reviewed Wanikani anyway? I know the anon who made it pushed it hard in the threads, but I haven't heard anything good or bad about it.
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>>17716039
https://warosu.org/jp/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=I+know+the+anon+who+made+it+pushed+it+hard+in+the+threads%2C+but+I+haven't+heard+anything+good+or+bad+about+it.
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>>17716046
how embarrassing
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>>17716055
yeah posting the same jokes over and over when you're the only one that laughs at them is really embarrassing, especially when you pretend it's "trolling" after you realize how cringe it is
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What is your thought about monolingual anki cards ?
To me it seems like an unnecessary added difficulty, most of the time english definition is pretty straightforward, like chair is 椅子 or red is 赤い
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>>17716140
Front: jap word

Back:
Eng translation/s
(optional) Jap definition
Example sentence
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>>17716015
それはびょうきではない

ペドフィリアはびょうきといわれる
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>>17714643
What site/ grammar guide is this from?
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>>17716252
It’s Sakubi.
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>>17716252
From your guide. You know the one you're trying to push so hard right now.
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>>17714940
That's one of the dumbest reasons I've ever heard, hope you get cancer which leaves your family in massive debt
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>>17716264
thx didn't know about this. Tae Kim's guide still looks friendlier for some reason.
I rarely browse the DJT since it left /a/ but anon has stepped it up.



>>17716283
"Your"じゃなくて、"Our"ですぅー
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>>17716293
I already have it though, so I guess your wish has been fulfilled.
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>>17716252
boku no grammar dictionary
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how to trigger retards
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>>17714316
>tfw 68% retention rate
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>>17715164
>>17715273
>>17716178

this is literally unintelligible because you aren't using any kanji, come back when you can actually into 日本語
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>>17716404
i understood it fine, have you considered learning japanese?
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>>17716384
I used to do anki when I woke up and I couldn't pass 60-65% the first 2 weeks or so. On my third week I simply decided to wait until I was done with breakfast or lunch and my retention jumped to steady 75-85%.
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>>17716406
nice samefag
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>>17716414
no
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>>17716382
>>17716404
Yeah it's fucking Nihongo time. Lol.
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>>17716419
>using romaji even ironically
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>>17716425
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>spent 6 years learning Japanese
>still reading at the speed of a senile 110 years old
Approaching native level speed is extremely difficulty with this language it seems

Any success stories on /djt/?
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What is DJT's opinion on George Trombley?
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>>17716499
low
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>>17716499
high
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>>17716485
Start reading 3+ hours a day.
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>>17716485
>/djt/
What is "/djt/"?
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>>17716507
Why is that? I started watching his video series, and they lack a lot of kanji. In your opinion, is he a trustable source or not and why?
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>>17716518
he would be trustworthy as a tutor but not as a book salesman

anything that takes your focus away from getting to the point where you can read sufficiently basic stories is not worth your time
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>>17716485

Years don't mean anything, you can study for two hours per week for 6 years and say that you "spent 6 years learning Japanese".
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>>17716499
Not a reliable source to learn japanese because he has never taken the JLPT.
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>>17716485
Images like these annoy me.
If you convince yourself a language is hard to learn then it becomes harder to learn than if you just treated it like any other language.
Yes, Japanese and English are about as different as languages can get, but difference does not equal difficulty.
The only reason anyone has to say "language X is the most difficult language to learn" is so they can say they speak it and brag about it or to discourage people from learning it in the first place.
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>>17716536
Japanese and English are not actually that different linguistically speaking after you get past a short list of meaningless linguistics trivia.

Differences:
- Core word order is different
- Things like inflections and figures of speech are frequently ordered "backwards" or "inside-out" compared to english
- Japanese is pro-drop, English is not
- Different type of accent system than the main dialects of English
- Effectively zero cognates except for some very convenient coincidences (ない vs nay, etc) and loans
- Japanese uses mimetic words (ぴかぴか) much more than english (gurgling)

Similarities:
- Nouns, pronouns, and topic context work almost exactly the same as in English, the only difference is that Japanese has an exclusive topic marker
- Adverbs can be placed almost anywhere (depending on the adverb) and its exact location slightly alters what it applies to
- There are countless multi-word grammatical constructions that have literal word by word translations (just in different order) in both directions between the two languages, that end up retaining the original nuance.
- They're both written with a mixture of phonetic and morphemic orthography.
- They both loaned extensive academic and formal vocabulary from other languages that were more powerful at the time, a lot of which entered the spoken language, dramatically changing its grammar as a result of the imbalance caused by the flood of new words.
- They both handle nested logical negatives, long inclusive/exclusive/group-based lists, strung-together nested verbal constructions, and grammatical mood in particular ways that most European languages, in addition to Chinese, do not.
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>>17716560
>Japanese and English are not actually that different linguistically speaking after you ignore their totally different writing systems
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>>17716581
- They're both written with a mixture of phonetic and morphemic orthography.
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I think people actually refer to the amount of characters you need to learn when the 2k hour image is dropped.
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>>17716560
Interesting. You obviously know more than me but I feel like throwing in my 5 cents anyway.

Sure, there are similarities, but are those similarities enough to "compensate" for the differences?
If you're a complete beginner and dealing with the different word order, completely different writing system, a pitch accent system, and omission of words if obvious from context, will it really help much that they both borrowed academic vocabulary from another language?
I mean, if you're Chinese, yeah, I suppose it will. But if you aren't, then I don't think saying "Japanese has plenty of borrowed Chinese vocabulary" will make it easier if you remember that English has a ton of borrowed vocabulary too.

I know they're just linguistic similarities, but unless borrowing academic vocabulary from another language is rare (I don't know) then that seems basically just like linguistic trivia rather than a similarity. And even if it is rare, they're borrowing from different languages, so it doesn't mean much.

Maybe I'm just thinking of Japanese and English's linguistic relations in terms of "how much information from languages I already know is also present in this language" which might be too subjective, but that's what I meant in the first place even if in retrospect I could have worded that better.
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can someone post the picture that has 95% understanding word counts for newspapers and internet forums etc? i save it every time but forget what i named it
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>>17716610
Your sentiment is exactly eight. Differences are more important than similarities. Human languages are all very deeply similar, so similar that anyone who already knows a human language will become conversational in any other language if they're stranded in a society where that language is the only one.

When we talk about difficulty in learning languages, we're talking about something else. How "annoying" or "stressful" it is to learn a language. How long it takes to reach a low level of literacy. How easy it is to acquire language features from the new language through deliberate study instead of input. All things that meaningfully differ between different pairs of native language and second language.
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>>17716615
It's obsolete, post http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats instead.
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>>17716636
>all have 7000+ words
>people tell me to start "reading more" when i haven't even seen 1000 words in anki yet
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>>17716364
bokuじゃなくてbokutachiだ!
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>>17716644
Visual novels are more than just words. You need to learn the "real" flow of the language, on a word to word and sentence to sentence level, too. In fact, that's probably more important than learning another 6000 words in isolation.

1000 is too little to read anything fluidly if it doesn't have furigana, but you should consider browsing online manga stores. By the off chance that anything is interesting enough to read it despite your low vocabulary, you need to jump on it immediately. Ever having a positive experience reading a story is the #1 indicator of future success in learning a language.
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Anyone JLPT 1 in December here?
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>>17716644
There's more to reading than knowing words
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>>17716644
So what's your plan? Keep learning vocabulary purely through words Anki shows you, some of which you'll probably never need?
Even if you learn 7000 words purely through Anki, who's to say the content you want to read or watch actually uses only words you know? You're inevitably going to run into unfamiliar vocabulary you need to look up even if you know 7000 words, so when you have a foundation of 1000 words there's no reason to keep learning vocabulary that may or may not be present or common in the content you want to read.

Furthermore, like the other two anons said, a language is more than words. Knowing all the words present won't help if you don't actually understand what the sentence is talking about because either you aren't accustomed to the grammar, the mannerisms, or the subtle nuances. And no Anki deck can teach you that.
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>>17716652
i know but is there really any point if you either have to stop every 5 words or don't understand anything because you just read furigana fast without knowing the meaning

>>17716666
i'm probably just going to ankidrone until at least 2k because that's supposed to be the
most useful part of core6k

i mostly judge the extent of my vocabulary by how many words i recognize when listening to japanese music i don't know the lyrics to, it's like getting a new piece in a puzzle every day and it feels very satisfying, but from this i know i don't know nearly enough to know most words so i could focus on the new words because i don't recognize the most common words, like say the 66% of words used that the 3000 most common words make up

many people say they start reading or even drop anki altogether after 2.5k so idk we'll see when i get there, i think i'm too much of a memorylet to stop doing srs ever
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>>17716686
>>i know but is there really any point if you [...] don't understand anything because you just read furigana fast without knowing the meaning
yeah
you underestimate how overpowered the brain is when it comes to this
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>>17716644
I highly recommend this series called "10分で読める伝記"

"Biographies you can read in 10 minutes" or whatever.

I read the grades 1-4. I learned about the Wright brothers, Flaurence Nightingale, Ikkyu, Akira Kurasawa... etc.

Or even reading manga when you can't really make sense of it helps. Keep the translation open in another tab and compare. Depending on the theme of the manga - sports, action, art - you'll see the same words pop up over and over and that will help to solidify them in your memory.
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>>17716686
It's anons like these that give Anki a bad rep. Come on dude. Just read.
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>>17716513
That would be much easier if I could find interesting stuff to read.
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>>17716686
Why not read and do anki? What the fuck is 7000 words going to do if it takes you 10 minutes to read a sentence and you don't even know where words start and end? It's stupid to delay reading, even if you have to stop and look up words often.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7QsHpLU1Sw

I listened to this song for a few episodes without JP subtitles and I couldn't really understand much. Now I found a youtube link with JP subtitles and I realized I knew most of those words and I can understand things just fine when reading.

Apparently my listening comprehension is laughably bad. Should probably not have spent so much time reading and used some of it for listening shit.
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>>17716749
Someone who knows 7000 words will know when a word starts and ends. Your logic is flawed.
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>>17716779
you'll also figure that out when you read for long enough even if you barely know 2000 words
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did you do your anki today, anon?
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>>17716781
>2000 words
But you don’t know what the content is about.
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>>17716801
you do if you're reading something interesting enough
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>>17716804
Not with a limited vocabulary.
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>>17716812
you vastly underestimate the power of 2000 words and a dictionary
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>>17716798
How is that grammar deck? I am thinking of adding some grammar to my Anki, that one seems to be fairy popular.
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>>17716818
Using a dictionary to look up words is a great way to break the flow and a waste of time. This is not what I’d call interesting.
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I have had classes for a couple of years and got an N4.

I still cant write/speak for shit.

Any recommendations on how to progress?

I am considering just getting resources for N3 and just focusing on that but I am not sure if this is a good long term approach as my goal is fluency and not accumulation of Ns.
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>>17716798
Why does 1000 cards take you that long?
I hope you're not doing this in place of actually reading.
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>>17716836
you obviously don't read, your ideas don't reflect reality

you don't use the dictionary on every word you think you don't know, you only use it on words you realize you need to know

looking up every word in a dictionary is neither required to understand what you're reading if you know 2000 words, nor can it possibly be considered "reading". that is not reading.
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>>17716845

Additional request:

I keep forgetting the fucken kanji so I am considering getting a phone app to recap everyday on the fly.

Any personal recommendations?
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>>17716845
read the guide
start mining anki
read more
listen more
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>>17715635
You shouldn't unless you drop the ほど, they serve similar functions.
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>>17716863
Oh sorry misunderstood you.
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>>17715626
Why?
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>>17715395
>I don't know where to read entry level easy shit that isn't VN's or manga
There's shit like http://hukumusume.com/douwa/betu/
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>>17716974
>>17715395
Doesn't get easier than converting a book in any text format (txt, epub, mobi, doesn't matter) to html and then reading it with yomichan. If you know basic grammar it will even have some info about most grammar points you don't understand (you need to know the basics though).
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>>17716140
I add an autogenerated link to j-j dictionary on the back.
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僕は。。。
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>>17716853
Anki app synchronizes with your PC decks. Works both ways.
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>>17717263
僕等は皆生きている
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So, I'm a month into Beginning Japanese at college. I saw Yotsuba is recommended reading for beginners according to the guide, but I'm wondering how long I should study before attempting it?

I'm only just now learning about verbs in Lesson 3 of Genki.
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>>17717363
>I'm a month into Beginning Japanese
>I'm only just now learning about verbs in Lesson 3 of Genki.
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>>17717378
If this is some kind of snide dig, which I'm sure it is because this is 4chan, I'm struggling to get the joke. I've been learning at the pace my sensei is teaching us.
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>>17717384
Not him but if you're a month into studying the language you're learning extremely slowly.
If you wanna learn the language then self-learn in your spare time, because college courses will go at a glacial pace.
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>>17717384
You're gonna end up like >>17716845 if you don't take control of your own learning.
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>>17717396
Saying you are learning for a couple years doesn't really mean shit. You could be learning 2 hours every week only like someone already said or you could be going months in between study sessions.
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>>17717414
that doesn't have anything to do with the post you responded to
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>>17717396
>>17717391
Ah, I see. Thank you for your input.

I intend to do self-learning between semesters so I don't forget what I've obtained, but for now I'm struggling to find time keeping up with all my courses as a whole so I don't know if I can dedicate much more time to Japanese during school.

I intend to apply for a language intensive study-abroad and even have plans to move over there for a handful of years after college to really become fluent by way of immersion. My goal is to work in localization, so I'm dedicated to this being a long journey anyway.

Back to my original question; how much do you guys suggest I know before I start trying to read stuff from the "easy" section of the list?
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>>17717429
>between semesters
you can't learn japanese
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>>17717436
I currently am and will continue to. I don't understand why you guys focus so much on the speed of which it happens.
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>>17717427
If you are incapable of using your mouse and looking at what the post is quoting and therefore talking about, then sure. Nothing to do with it.

Continue to shitpost on 4chan friend.
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>>17717447
They weren't posting the information in that quote. They were posting about that quote. Your response is response to the information they were quoting, not the post you were responding to. Their point was completely independent of whatever the contents of the quote happened to be, so it would have nothing to do with their post to respond to them about the contents of the quote in the semantic sense rather than solely about whatever point they were making. Your response has nothing to do with the post you were responding to.
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2, I know Hebrew, my native language, and English.
I know a bit of Arabic (especially the Iraqi dialect), and currently learning Japanese, But I am very much a beginner.
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Ja
What Anki Deck would you guys recommend for N2 grammar study? Or should I just get some book instead? Probably both- book for learning and Anki for repetition? I studied with Minna no Nihongo so far. What do you think?
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>>17717446
you will not learn japanese in 20 years if you study it between semesters, just the amount of vocabulary and reading practice you DON'T do for 9 months every year makes it completely futile
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>>17716845
>I am considering just repeating what I've already been doing for years which hasn't been working.
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>>17717520
Sorry, I must have explained poorly.

I'm in college Japanese courses during the school year. I plan on committing time daily during my winter and summer breaks to Japanese so that I don't lose what I am learning during school. Currently, I spend between 2-3 hours every weekday to class/homework. I just can't spend more than that on Japanese because I'm also enrolled in 3 other reading intensive courses.
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>>17717536
You dont learn enough in class for 2-3 hours of work time every day. Unless you literally review the entire time.
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>>17717536
What kind of stuff are you doing in class? I need an easy A and I’m considering taking jap 101 since I’ll have self studied for ~10 months by next semester.
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>>17717548

My sensei assigns work from the Genki workbook most nights and additional worksheets that she's prepared herself to really hammer home specifics of each grammar lesson. And then she asks us to practice alongside the audio files that come with Genki and I do that more often than not as well. So, yes, it's a lot of review. But I'm learning alongside my girlfriend who isn't enrolled in the class so I have to explain to her things I've learned in class earlier that day.

>>17717563
It would probably be an easy A, but you should probably check what materials your course professor has you buy. If they follow the Genki textbook it's a lot of rudimentary grammar. My sensei quizes us on vocab twice a week, we had a hiragana quiz after two weeks and now I have a katakana quiz this Friday (4 weeks).
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>>17717582
>My sensei quizes us on vocab twice a week, we had a hiragana quiz after two weeks and now I have a katakana quiz this Friday (4 weeks).
That does sound like an easy A. If you’re just learning kana now you’ll probably have a hard time with Yotsubato. One of the easiest ways to start reading is reading NHKEasy with a browser dictionary like yomichan/rikaisama.

Also, I would lower your expectations for what you’ll get from the classroom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QyX9XhGX3s
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Is there a way to swap the front and back of all cards in an anki deck at once?
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>>17717628
Nevermind, figured it out
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>>17716689
This looks interesting. I didn't see it in the guide though.
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>>17716293
冗談
バカやろう
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Lads does anyone have azw3 for Mushoku Tensei LN?
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>>17717974
Yes, thanks for asking.
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>>17717974
7 billion people, odds are someone does.
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>>17708500
>>17708535
>>17709090
Did you end up finishing the update on the prefecture, cities, etc. deck anon? I'm interested
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>mfw I can now read light novels without full furigana thanks to Nezuyomi
Who knew OCR had grown so powerful...
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>>17718147
>LN
>OCR
Good post.
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>>17718147
What does this do that KanjiTomo didn't do years ago?
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>>17718165
It saves.
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This girl learned Japanese without Anki. Why can't you?
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>>17718169
i can
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>>17718169
You can learn Japanese by going to Japan and just sitting around until you absorb everything by osmosis, though it'll take a solid decade. Why don't you do that? Don't ask anyone for help or for a speaking partner, by the way. You can learn without help, so why don't you?
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>>17718123
Yeah, but some mod or janitor deleted the post:
https://warosu.org/jp/thread/17711739#p17714645

Dunno why since they didn't take any issue with my posts in the 3 previous threads where I posted about the deck much more extensively than I did in this one.
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>>17718169
おねえちゃんならできるよ
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>>17718147
Just open it in your browser and use yomichan, no need for that.
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>>17718187
yomichan doesn't work on scans
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>>17718195
>scan of text
Keep it up, anon!
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>>17718201
yeah this might surprise you since you literally don't read but a lot of ln rips are scans and not text
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>>17718205
Yeah, Nip and weeaboo uploaders are sometimes retarded, it can be hard to find them uploaded in a text format. You can buy almost everything in a text format though, and LNs are like 5USD, so don't be a cheap bitch. Just buy, use automatic de-DRM and upload them for others.
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>>17718174
Thanks! Yeah I'm not sure why.
It should be updated in the cornucopia with that version indeed.
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>>17718232
my bank blocks foreign stores lol
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>>17718237
Please be for real. What if you want to import anything or buy anything during your holidays abroad.
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>>17718243
i'm too poor to have holidays abroad, get a grip
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>>17718174
>Dunno why
Take a look at the images you used.
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>>17718235
done
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What will I be able to do once I've learnt the fundamental 2000 kanji?
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>>17718382
Remember actual vocabulary a little better
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>>17718311
Eh, so that was it. I guess it was technically avatarfagging, but it's not like I was doing it for the sake of creating a personality and attentionwhoring (which the rule exists to address), it was just a temporary means of giving people an easy way of spotting my posts about the deck since there were no flags relating to the cards I was adding at that point.

The mod/janitor could've at least left the announcement post up and just deleted the image if the image was the problem. I'm not inconvenienced at all by that post being deleted, it's people like >>17718123 who were interested in the deck who were punished. It would've made more sense to just delete the images and ban me.
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>>17718406
>but it's not like I was doing it for the sake of creating a personality and attentionwhoring
That doesn't really matter.
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>>17718169
morning anti-ankikun, have you learned japanese yet
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whats an easy to read light novel?
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>>17718457
キノの旅
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>>17718480
Already read 2 volumes, want something even easier in terms of setting, not just language. Like really generic easy as fuck.
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>>17718486
Doesn't really get easier than キノの旅
Try a random highschool romcom.
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>>17718450
Is that a new "sakura" as you guys call it?
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>>17718169
I already did
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>興味が他人のそれよりもずれたところにあるため、壬氏が天女のように美しいと理解していても、一線を引いてみている。
Can't understand much what comes before ため. Is it something like "for the sake of separating her interest from other people's"?
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As I browsed through the books in the Library, I noticed that each book has a listing of its ten rarest kanji featured. In the rankings of a certain light novel, I found that the kanji 彊 is only featured four times across all of the books in the entire library. I don't have much of a reason for making this post, but it certainly did baffle me. Why does a kanji like this exist? And why even use it if it shows up that infrequently across a huge number of books, consisting of both trashy LNs and translations of non-Japanese works into the language? Why are there kanji like 彊? Jisho only has it in a single dictionary entry. But on the other hand, google.jp has plenty of results for it. Is it really just a coincidence that it shows up so infrequently in the DJT library? Am I just being tricked by an incomplete statistic (it's hard to imagine the stat is accurate)? Why the kanji 彊? Why are there other kanji that are also that rare? Do native speakers encounter such a rare kanji and know what to do with it? It's certainly not presented with furigana, which is weird if it really is as rare as it is. And the work itself has furigana all over the place, so it's not really the case that furigana would be out of place.
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>>17718329
Thanks.

Could you also update the "Info" link to the deleted post from with this with the updated list of contents? If people follow the reply chain from there, they can find all the posts from the earlier threads about the deck, but the reverse isn't true.

https://warosu.org/jp/thread/17711739#p17714645
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I don't think I'm gonna make it.
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>>17718685
You don't think?
I'm sure I'm not gonna.
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>>17718457
all of them. 中学生 can read them
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>>17718751
..and they have like 10+ years experience with the language.
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What do you guys think of the forever fluent guy saying he knows Japanese?
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>>17716485
>Any success stories on /djt/?
Me desu
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>>17718620
>Do native speakers encounter such a rare kanji and know what to do with it?
Not a native speaker but I'm weeb enough to be Japanese. It's often for Japanese people to see kanji they don't know and just skip by assuming its meaning from context, much like we do with words we don't know.
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>>17718877
Yet they, unlike high school students, could struggle reading material of actual literary merit!
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>>17719010
> actual literary merit!

99% of faggots who talk like this never read more than necessary to fill out their /lit/ 3x3.
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>>17719020
bookshelves are for showing off woodpulp and ink anyway, not books one has read
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>>17718620
https://kanji.neocities.org/subete.html
There are more kanji than stars in the universe, and all that.

Many of them were simplified while many simply naturally feel out of usage. The Japanese government has been pushing a general usage list and trying to limit the range of kanji used in various media and teaching materials, which also brings about certain biases in the memetic selection part of the language.
彊 can be found as one of the kanji tested in the second highest level of 漢検 and can be found using readings similar to 強、so while it is a much rarer kanji than others, it still isn't part of the pool of thousands of extant characters around which do not even fall into the 6000 odd characters which can be tested in the national kanji exam.
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>>17718580
猫猫 swings the other way.
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>>17712238
>momo will never kiss you
why the FUCK are you still alive bros
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>>17719240
I see, I see. That's a very helpful explanation, thank you for taking the time.
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>>17718620
Why do we have "robust", "mighty", "Herculean", and "strapping"? Why isn't just "strong" enough?
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>>17719394
I really doubt any of those are anywhere near as rare as "single piece of a single word that only shows up four times out off hundreds and hundreds of books," though. I'm not complaining about words that ultimately mean the same thing despite having different nuance, I'm talking about the sheer rarity of this particular one.
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>>17719401
It existed to begin with because the word "strong" existed in Chinese before they started writing, and a variety of characters with a phonetic radical something like "kang" and a semantic radical related to physical force (ironically, standard theory is that 彊's semantic radical is 弓 because drawing a bow, but 強's semantic radical is 虫 because silk or shells.)

彊 also at one point referred specifically to strong bows. So it might be used specifically for a weapon. But most likely it's just pretense, and relying on the fact that at a glance 彊 would likely be mistaken for 強.
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>>17716349
This isn't the snarky-ass reply I was expecting
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>>17718147
Thanks, I really like that it externalizes OCR so you could in principle code in whatever image pre-processing steps before tesseract does its thing
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>>17718205
I think the bigger problem is that the scans are often too low res to read easily, let alone OCR reliably
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How can I set anki to spam me my previous cards and once I'm done repeating those give me my new cards of the day
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>>17719614
Tools->Preferences
Change "Mix new cards and reviews" to "Show new cards after reviews"
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>>17719614
Set new cards to zero, finish reviews, open deck back up, click custom study at the bottom of the screen.
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>>17719627
>>17719628
Thank you very much
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Is there any way to change the font size of the text-box in ITH?
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Hey guys this sounds terribly autistic, but what do you think of pronouncing を as 'wo'?

Been thinking of playing around with pronounciation/accents lately, I don't want to sound too foreign so I thought "spicing" it up might make it seem like I've had practice speaking, maybe with some japanese with a regional accent
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>>17719535
>I think the bigger problem is that the scans are often too low res to read easily
LN and novel scans tend to be great for reading. Would you mind posting an example of what you think a bad scan is?
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>>17719864
Yes, edit the code to make the text bigger and compile the modified version yourself
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>>17719895
>I don't want to sound too foreign
too bad
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>>17719528
Not him but you're welcome. It's a pain to set up but it makes the program a lot more flexible and futureproof.
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>>17718311
Rather silly, considering the meido is perfectly happy with some retard roleplaying as a little Japanese girl every thread while allowing the resident shitposter to go nuts. A bit of consistency in moderation wouldn't hurt. If they are going to enforce the rules, they really ought enforce all of them.
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Today, I learned you can put a marker in whatever book you're reading in the library by pressing "B" on your keyboard, and the next time you load that book's page, it'll jump you right to that spot. The future really is now.
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>>17712686
Why don't you guys use kanji?
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箸置きです
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>>17720018
お化けざます
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>>17720018
リスじゃん
かわいいじゃん
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Is there any way to learn vocabulary in a more structured setting than Anki?

Like how Genki had a list of new words every chapter
I just don't know how to get all the words I need in an efficient way
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>>17720283
Never used genki but having fun while studying probably helps your retention.
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>>17720283

>I just don't know how to get all the words I need in an efficient way

Find native content that interests you and then look at it. There will be plenty of words right there.
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>>17720027
りすでつうじるといいのに

えいごSquirrelを

はつおんできないし
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>>17720295
I don't have a problem with remembering words I've come across before, I have a problem with discovering new words.

>>17720297
I have been doing that, but there are still all sorts of common and daily words that I'm missing purely by chance, and who knows when I'll finally find them

Would it be worthwhile to invest in some vocab workbooks from Japan?
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けほけほする

ばふぁりんのむ
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>>17720309
>I don't have a problem with remembering words I've come across before, I have a problem with discovering new words.
My bad. Maybe try games you've played as a child and replay them in japanese. Read sadpanda or find interesting VNs. I am sure there is a lot of material out there which contain words you don't know yet.
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>>17719895
In any language it's better to start speaking late than early. You should get a lot of input before you start pronouncing words or saying sentences. The more familiar your ear is with how a certain language sounds, the more you'll notice your mispronunciations.
My father was forced to speak Spanish to communicate with his coworkers even though he had little knowledge of the language and now his pronunciation sucks major ass even though he has no problem understanding Spanish.
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>>17720352
ぶんぽうがちがいすぎると

みみからおぼえにくいかもしれないけど

それでもみみからおぼえるほうが

はやいとおもうよ
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バファリンのんでネクロダンサーやれば

きっとあしたはげんき
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>>17720352
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZCpcPEWww8
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>>17720347
アスピリンよね
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Can someone translate this? The UTW-Mazui subs are missing the line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ15iReb44U
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>>17720436
>>>/wsr/
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>>17720436
何か急用だったのかな
Wait for somebody more experienced than me who can verify this.
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>>17720445
that what i heard, yeah
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>>17720445
Thanks, that fits.
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>>17720410
Fluency is not the same as pronouncing well.
My parents are fluent in Spanish, but their pronunciation is crap and they make lots of small grammatical mistakes because nobody ever bothered to correct them and because they only interact with Spanish during their jobs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKrsaEs51jM
He sounds foreign and makes mistakes. I simply can't take this guy too seriously. He is right when he says that you must speak a lot and your interaction must be meaningful, but you shouldn't start speaking as soon as you can.

Speaking to yourself also doesn't help you with becoming fluent in a language. I've been talking to myself in English every day for the past 4-5 years, yet that has done little to help my fluency when talking to another person. I think the reason why is that, when you speak to yourself, you know what you're going to say next or where the conversation is going. However, when you speak to somebody else, you have no idea what they're going to say. That unknown is what tests your fluency.

The only thing speaking to yourself and starting to speak as soon as possible without any help does is that it embeds your errors.
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"Remembering the Kana" doesn't teach about WE and WI. Why is that? Are they not used anymore?
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>>17720863
The sounds merged into え and い hundreds of years ago (maybe even 1,000 years ago, can't remember exactly) so the characters are obsolete.
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>>17720869
Worth noting that e was in free variation with ye in some contexts, which gives us yen and yebisu, even though Japanese never ever had a ye syllable.
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>>17720869
Oh yeah, that said, I think they were still in use (the same way that English spellings which were once phonetic but now aren't are still in use) up until the end of WW2, and some pretentious assholes still use them in the titles of fictional works and such.
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>>17718580
help?
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>>17720886
Just read more.
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>>17718580
ため can also mark a cause or reason like 故
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>>17718580
I drew a line as stout as my mind -- which was on the brink of being swept away by Jinshi's sheer beauty -- allowed me to, for well did I know that her interests lied in spheres most people dared not approach.
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>>17720875
Don't forget about the hipster artists putting them in their names
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>>17721090
In their legal names? Is that even allowed?
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>>17721134
Their artist names

Dunno if they'd let you name your kid ヰッル or something
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how does one acquire a Japanese friend?
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>>17717996
I dare to guess that majority of these people haven't read single LN in their life so it doesn't really mean much.
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How do you force Windows' Jap input to default to hiragana instead of romaji?
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>>17721206
iirc you don't
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>>17721219
>>17721206
bult alt+tab and alt+~ isn't so hard so whaterver
also it remembers on a by program basis until you reboot
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>>17721171
Have you tried entering random Japanese discords
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is it just me or is it very simple to acquire comprehensiveness in Japanese reading in relatively short period of time? the meme about it being difficult is mostly about various scripts and learning the initial kanji, right?
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>>17721257
it's very easy to acquire a very basic reading ability in japanese
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>>17721226
alt tab is for switching windows
windows indeed lacks some swift way to change from romaji to hiragana and back from hiragana to romaji
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>>17721228
do you know any? how would I find them?
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>>17721263
Sorry meant alt+shift
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>>17721269
alt-shift switches between languages like: English - German - Japanese

but when you actually switch to Japanese IME the default script may be Romaji, so it's hardly a solution since switching between English and IME with its default 'English script' may render it useless
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>>17721269
cont
For switching language, alt+~ for switching from alphanumeric to hiragana
iirc there was also something for katakana, but I just cycle up (to cycle to the last entry, it's kata in most cased)
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>>17721278
see
>>17721279
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>>17721282
>cont
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>>17721257
Hovering over words with Rikai is not "comprehensiveness in Japanese reading".
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>>17721284
What's wrong, cunt?
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>>17721263

Doesn't ctrl-caps lock and shift-caps lock do that?
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>>17721291
On my system it does.
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Is the amount of rare or really context-sensitive kanji compounds spoken by VN and anime characters indicative of how often people use them IRL? How can I improve my listening in order to pick up those words better?
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>>17721291
Thanks man, easier to hit than alt+~
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>>17721291
THIS works
however why would they implement such an unintuitive shortcut for christ's sake
tapping both caps and shift gives me cancer
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>>17721267
google 「"discord.gg" "´<japanese word>"」
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>>17721360
>>17721369
how much time did it take?
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>>17721379
714 days so far for >>17721369
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>>17721387
is 2k basic kanji enough to read light novels? you seem to have gone way beyond it
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>>17721350
ぼちぼちでんな
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>>17721395
2000 kanji is enough to cover a lot of VNs, but it's not the same 2000 kanji.

That said, two things:

1) Kanji don't matter. Words do. Words are merely written with kanji.
2) Tou shouldn't worry about the last few percent points of comprehension. 95% is basically enough to read anything and only need to use a dictionary once or twice per scene.
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>>17721409
>>17721360
what order are you guys following, why don't you have some kanji that even I've covered here >>17721350
?
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>>17721395
That's when things start to get comfortable, but you'll still encounter new kanji pretty often. I doubt anyone could be fully satisfied with just that. Anyway kanji get easier to learn and after a while hunting new ones becomes fun.
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>>17721395
Other guy here
Sadly I'm too lazy for anki these days, but I'm basically able to read web novels while understanding all but 0-3 words per chapter anyway.
Muramasa is more of a struggle than it has to be, but eh

>>17721417
Because I mined different stuff? idk
Here's my core deck
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>>17721413
Do you see VNs mentioned anywhere in the post you responded to? Don't vomit out advice you don't understand if you can't even bother putting in the effort to read the posts you are responding to.
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>>17721417
What order? What do you mean?
If you mean the grid, I sorted by None/score rather than the default, so that's why it looked different.
If you mean the new kanji, that's because I've mined some myself. That anon with over 3000 also obviously mined quite a few of his own, because I doubt even the 10k deck has 3000 unique kanji.
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>>17721431
>Do you see VNs mentioned anywhere in the post you responded to?
No, I don't.

>Don't vomit out advice you don't understand if you can't even bother putting in the effort to read the posts you are responding to.
Apparently I understood it and the subject matter it was about better than you. There's nothing at all special about the writing in VNs or LNs except for LNs being more mainstream.
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>>17721431
Don't bother commenting if all you have to say is dumb shit like that.
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every time 毎年 comes up i read it as まいねん、 but anki says it's まいとし is this one of the cases like 四 is よん or し and it's ok if i read まいねん?
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>>17721449
まいねん is an accepted alternative reading, so yes.
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>>17721435
Don't listen to him. I asked the question and found the answer satisfying - as you said whether it's VNs or anything else the language is usually the same throughout the mediums.
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>>17721472
I wouldn't say it's the same, there's just way more variation within a medium than between them.
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I reached a 100 days in Anki, finally reached the porn scene in my mining deck, and finished reviews in less than 60 minutes. Feels good.
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>>17721572

What ecchi words have you mined, anon?
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Japanese seems to have a lot of vocabulary.
I mean, they have a lot of seemingly retarded compound words like 新車 or 魔王.
Are there any articles backing up or rebbuting my claim?
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>>17721701
this game looks spooky
is there a lot of quality Jap adventure point-n-click games?
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How many VNs to fluency?
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>>17721736
Not that anon, but that's Yu-No. If you haven't played it, you need to before you die. It's a masterpiece that no other point n click adventure game can touch. As for other games like it, I feel like there are quite a few that have the same kind of look.
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>>17721769
Don't forget the music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CksDGYA9DUQ

Eve is by the same company, and has music by umemoto.

>>17721736

You should play Yu-No ASAP.
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おはようおにいちゃん

あさぼらけ

きのうのつきの

あきぬまに
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>>17721572
Good news anon: You can learn Japanese
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>>17721857
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>>17721760
I went from Hanahira to Flyable Heart to Dies Irae to Muramasa and I guess I'm fluent now
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>>17721769
Isn't it also the #1 all time entry on EGS?
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What're you guys thoughts on memrise?
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>>17721882
I thought those were supposed to be really hard. Did you really just go straight from Flyable Heart? How well did you understand them?
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>>17721936
With Dies Irae there were a lot of times where I had to look at a sentence for 10 minutes until I understood it, but the vocabulary isn't too meme. The references were fairly easy to catch on to as well, which couldn't be said of Muramasa, which is full of vocabulary you'll never see again in your life and references to fucking ancient Noh plays and shit
Still, if you put in the effort to understand them and tackle them in that order you should have gotten a good grasp on them by the time you finish their first routes
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ねむい

がっこーいきたくない
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>>17721882
Did you mine with anki or something? Did you use any hooker for the text?
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がっこーでねてこよーっと
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>>17721995
Firefox html hooker and mined with rikai into anki, yeah
I got pretty lazy with anki around the start of the third route for Dies Irae, but I recommend you stick to doing your reps and 20 new cards a day. Also, use your keyboard for the buttons, not your mouse, for fast mode.
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>>17721701
>>17721823
nice im just in time for the yu-no chat
im holding all 15 flopping disks in my hand right now like playing cards thinking man they just dont make them like they used to

once youve learned your tyler kims and mastered ehons and are a shonen manga professional i also agree you should go on the epic yu-no adventure
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>>17722043
So you stopped playing when you reached 20 cards? What hooker software do you guys use nowadays? AGTH?
Also, do you have a link for the japanese version of the game? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
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>stop masturbating for 2 days
>exponential increase in study hours + very high motivation
t-the meme was real guys
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When I'm reading VNs as study material, should I reread the common route as I go? I feel like it'd be a decent way to make sure I'm actually learning the vocab that I'm mining.
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>>17722053
can u post a pic of them please i need them for.... reference
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>>17722112
>So you stopped playing when you reached 20 cards?
Not sure what you mean
I finished all of them, but while reading Dies Irae I got lazy with anki and started only doing the reps without adding new cards, until I eventually stopped doing reps as well

ITHVNR here, never had any problems so far

Since the nyaa incident a while ago vns have gotten harder to find, but the knock-off nyaas should have them. Alternatively find your way into AnimeBytes and try there. Just make sure that you get the amantes amentes version for Dies if you plan on reading that, the older acta est fabula version lacks some of the best scenes in the story
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>>17722163
No, you'll see whether you're actually learning the vocab you're mining as it comes up in the new text you read
If it doesn't come up then evidently it's not that important and suffering an additional lapse in anki won't be a big deal
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>>17722113
>stopping masturbating
>not just masturbating in japanese
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>>17721612
勃起
焦らす
満足
奴隷
萎える
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>>17721930
Haven't heard of it. Just about finished with all off Duolingo's lessons though, so I'll be looking for something fresh.
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>>17722318
Well give it a try bud :)
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>>17722174
Thanks for taking your time.
I meant to ask if you stopped your gaming sessions when you reached 20 new cards. If you called it a day when you reached that number.
Trying to download the game from Perfect Dark but it's not starting atm but can't probably get an account on animebytes due to having third world internet speeds.
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>>17722346
Is AB doing recruitment on their website through their application system thing still? That's how I got my account a few years ago, and they either didn't ask or didn't care that my speeds were as shit as they were then.
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>>17722346
Just go to sukebei
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>>17722361
This. I've never seen anything on AB that Sukebei didn't have. That's not to say that Sukebei has everything, but neither does AB.
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>>17722346
Oh, no I mined a lot more than I could do in a single day. Like, the first week of Dies/Muramasa I mined around 300 words and even when I was still doing 20+ new cards a day I had a backlog of 500+; I just read as much as I felt like, then/before that/during reading breaks did my reps
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>>17722361
>>17722366

Are you talking about the nyaa clone? I've been there and there was no japanese dies irae torrent.
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>>17722390
nvm
there was no info on the torrent for some reason but it's downloading.
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>>17722390
You have to click the "Fap" link to get to sukebei. That's where 99.9% of VNs get uploaded to, even the non-porn ones.

Also, when searching VNs there, you should search the Japanese title. Dies Irae is a bit of an exception since it has a non-Japanese title, but with most other VNs you won't find them if you don't search for the original Japanese title.
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>>17722479
おにいちゃんがそういうならそうなんだろうね
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Speaking of Dies Irae, wasn't it supposed to be untranslatable?
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黄色人は大好き
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I just can't get the kana in my head any tips?
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>not listening to japanese radio and podcasts whenever you're not reading or listening to anything else in japanese
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>>17722539
im pretty sure the movie bubble boy starring jake gyllenhaal is a line by line adaptation of dies irae

>>17722548
人の肌の色なんて関係ない
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>>17722560
Dekinai! Laughed out loud.
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>>17722560
>not watching anime 24/7
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>>17722339
Tried it. Kind of hokey. Not nearly as good as Duolingo so far, and after spamming me with an ad for a 60$ a year subscription, they dropped it to 30$ 5 minutes later. Really not impressed.
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>>17722539
I think you're probably thinking of Muramasa.
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>>17722539
i think youre prolly thinking of hanahiraっ
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>>17722642
>っ
LITERALLY UNTRANSLATABLE
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>>17722647
It’s just ‘tsu’ tho?
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>>17722647
well i dont see this every day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDgD-2f-zjs
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>>17722569
>人の肌の色なんて関係ない
いいえ。黒人は人間じゃない
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>フィルムの向こうに流れる黒の風景はあまりに不思議で、この車の中と連続してるなんてとても思えなかった。
I don't understand 連絡 here, but if I'm guessing, is it talking about an unchanging landscape (because of the black windows)?
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>>17722677
それについてもう少し詳しく教えてくれないかな

>>17722691
hes talking about shit bein trippy as fuck
do you know what フィルムの向こう is
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>>17722677
>>>/ポール/
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>>17722727
I'm assuming it's just talking about the other side of the film window, am I wrong? Just going by this interpretation since 黒のフィルム加工の施されたウィンドウ was described earlier.
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>がは
Typo, or secret Japanese slang?
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>>17722756

Typo.
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>>17722756
Secret Japanese slang
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>>17722756
Why the fuck would that be a typo?
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Am I retarded or are most of the manga at shinmoemanga dot neocities from the guide all corrupted
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Is that て the quotation mark って and they forgot the っ or something? What am I missing?
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>>17723007
It's just an abbreviation.
https://kotobank.jp/word/%E3%81%A6-573101
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do people usually write 友だち or 友達? i've seen a lot of the former and not a lot of the latter
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>>17711739
What's up with the default dictionary in rikaisama listing the most commong readings always last?
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>>17723065
That's weird. I've almost never seen the former and almost only seen the latter.
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>>17723068
It's random as far as I can tell, the dictionary doesn't contain reading frequency information.
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>>17723084
Are there any better dictionaries in this regard? I find that really bothersome to be honest.
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>>17723035
>someone posts a link to a full Japanese dictionary to answer a beginner level question
Did you stop to think for a second that someone with that level of question is not gonna be able to read that? That being said, considering where we are and the kind of people who frequent this place, it's likely that's the exact reason you did it.
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A long time ago, I waited ages and ages for new chapters of this manga. Eventually scans completely stopped. After only a few months of learning Japanese, I can get through it pretty easily without looking up many words, and the grammar is simple too. I guess it helps that a good 90% of it is just the characters running away from monsters while screaming. Anyway, it feels cool to read this easily. That's my blog post for today.
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>>17723104
It's a source for my answer. In any case, anyone could understand the gist of
>《助詞「って」が「ん」で終わる語に付く場合に用いられる》
>[係助]「って」に同じ。「山田さんていい人ね」「それはいかんて、もう遅いよ」

even if they just hovered every word with Rikai. There's no reason for beginners to actively avoid Japanese sources.
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>>17723084
it's actually supposed to be ordered from most applicable to least applicable, in jmdict proper
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>>17723158
but the first one is always the rarest reading, what do you mean by most applicable?
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>>17723130
>A long time ago, I waited ages and ages for new chapters of this manga.
That was partly why I started learning Japanese too. Well, not for that manga specifically, but there were a bunch I was reading where the scanlators just dropped them half way through, and there were others where the scanlation was so slow that it was multiple volumes behind the original manga. I haven't actually tried reading any of them yet though.

I wonder why scanlation groups are so unreliable compared to fansub groups... not that there are many of those left anymore.
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>>17723176
Because anime > manga. Also, some fansub groups are slacking too.
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>>17723176
Well, the way I see it, scanlation is way more work intensive than subbing. With subtitles, you just listen and translate, and then all that's left is to time the script to the audio and release it. With scanlations, you have to manually erase text off of a page with image editing software, you have to redraw stuff, and you have to make sure you can fit what you need in the word bubbles without it looking bad and without having to cut stuff out. For example, on this two page spread, a lot of scanlation groups would want the pages to be properly stitched together, which means redrawing everything in that little median. And even to remove just the んだ at the bottom there would be a lot of work. It's overall just way more work.
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>>17723210
And you might say "hey that all sounds pretty pointless why not just do a rush job to get the manga out" but then you get scans like this that just aren't fun to read.

>>17723197
I think manga>anime anon.
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>>17723210
They should keep the japanese text, add a white margin to the bottom of the page and put the translations there with keynotes referencing back to the proper spot on the page ;)
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>>17723210
Two-page spreads like that are rare, and there's no reason you have to erase that text there. You could just create an artificial margin and put the translation of the line there.
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>>17723065
友だち is a valid way to write it and I see it a lot, probably because me and >>17723080 read different media.
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>>17723234
They show up more often in monthly manga than in weekly manga. The first volume of ハカイジュウ alone has about 20 2-page spreads in it. Which is a lot of work for translators to bother with when all the dialogue is basically "oh shit monsters run!" "the southern exit is blocked!" "uwahhhh there's bodies everywhere!" and stuff that you basically don't even need to understand.
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>>17721701
>>17721769
>>17721823
So after listening the music while doing some study and checking what it was all about I already feel compelled to read this. Thanks for the heads-up, guess I'm not knowledgeable at all with this kind of media yet to know all about these good stuff.
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>>17723469
>Thanks for the heads-up, guess I'm not knowledgeable at all with this kind of media yet to know all about these good stuff.
It's one of the top results on VNDB if you sort the entire database of over 21,000 VNs by score.
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>>17711739
Hmm.
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I just installed Yomichan but I can't import dictionaries. It says "database not initialized" in a red box in the "Dictionary" section of the configuration. Restarting Firexfox and clicking the "purge the database" link has no effect.

Any suggestions? Googling doesn't help.
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Does Yomichan have any J-J dictionaries?
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>>17723595
>>17723616
Ask the developer:
https://forum.koohii.com/thread-7074.html
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Everywhere I look, I get the same shitty low quality raws for the manga I want to read. Is it normal for there to only be one crappy version floating around? Will Amazon.jp let me buy a digital copy that actually looks nice? I found a "set" of volumes 1-19 on amazon.jp, but it's selling for, uh, just 1000 or so yen, so I'm pretty sure that's a scam. There's no way, right?
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>>17723691
And in fact, kindle versions are available, but from the preview it looks to be the same shitty low quality.
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>>17723616
Try reading the site.
https://foosoft.net/projects/yomichan-import/
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>>17723691
Rakuten doesn't have the same resolution restrictions Amazon enforces, and their 864円 volumes tend to be high quality. Stripping the Kobo DRM using Calibre is straightforward as well.
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>>17723691
If it isn't a very popular manga then 1000 yen could be possible.
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>>17723774
It ended up running for 21 volumes, so I feel like it had to at least be decently received. But on the other hand, there were 30+ sellers all listing that same bundle of volumes 1-19... I dunno. Maybe I'll try ordering it, if nothing else than the fact that 1000 yen isn't a very big loss in the event that it ends up being a scam.
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>>17723691
I seem to remember hearing that MATTvsJapan guy on YouTube talk in one of his videos about buying second-hand manga for some stupidly cheap price. It might be legit.
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>>17723784
Well, I tried looking for the video but I can't find it. Maybe it was someone else's video and I'm just getting confused, but I can't think who else's video it could've been since, as far as I remember, I haven't watched any other YouTube channels about learning Japanese.
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>>17723691
>>17723784
I remember this too, but I dont remember the name of that site. I just know it was not amazon.
But hey, if it works for amazon too, might as well use it instead.
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>>17723879
>uses babelfish
hahhahahahahahahahaha
*breathes in*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
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>>17723879
Is there any field outside of tourism where this would be useful?
Business doesn't want to deal through broken language, books and films already lose enough of their charm through regular translation and no one will let their technical manuals and legalese be translated by a machine

Where would you actually use these?
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>>17723879
>translation
no, we really didnt
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I need help, my dracu riot no longer starts. It worked just fine until a few hours ago, but I had to leave. After reopening it no longer works, someone had a similar problem?
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>>17723911
Nevermind, fixed it by reinstalling.
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>>17723879
That's pretty cool, I'd like to play around with a pair of those while trying out different language Youtube videos to see how it works.
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>>17723902
Most profession translation is machine assisted and Google has gotten much more accurate with romance and germanic languages, so it could be interesting to see how this technology progresses down the line for basic on the fly communication for similar languages.
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おはようおにいちゃん

かみそめたい
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>>17722113
>stop masturbating
>read eroge
>start masturbating
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とりあえず、生理と便秘の2種類の薬をミューにプレゼントしてみれば完璧じゃないかな?

What is this ミューに supposed to mean?
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>>17724148
Ah, its just a name, sorry.
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>>17723961
If this thing's speech recognition algorithm is the same one used for Youtube auto-captions, then it wouldn't be very impressive.
Youtube seems better at regognizing English, but even there you can get the occasional screwed-up nouns that throw you off the sentence's actual meaning.
It's a bit weird since Japanese pronunciation seems to be less rich than, say, English, but maybe it's just a lack of effort on Google's part to properly tackle the language (or buy out someone who did).

A real-time translation might be easier on the algorithm, though, since the people having the conversation would speak slowly and rephrase their sentences as necessary to get their meaning through.
For an EOP strolling through Europe, he would be able to communicate on the level of a medium-level speaker with a hearing impediment with no additional effort. The existence of an extensive dictionary at the algorithm's disposal may also mean that people would be able to carry out pretty high-level conversations in niche subjects that they're both familiar with.
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>>17723961
>>17724200
Please discuss translations and travel at special boards meant for those things.
I recommend >>>/int/
They even have their own DJT.
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>>17724214
Agreed. This is an anki dick sucking and bashing thread.
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>>17724088
たいじゅうにポンドってほんとうにつかうの?

あたしは10貫とすこしだよ
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>>17724287
but not even half the posts in here are about anki
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こせいのつよいまんががよみたい
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日本語字幕の新しいビデオ見てください
https://youtu.be/QTSxKu9-9Do
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>>17724544
>Me creen pedófilo
>loli
No me digas. Nunca me lo hubiera imaginado.
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Kinda new to learning jp, been a goal of mine for a while, only started recently. Read the djt guide, grinded kana and currently doing 2k/6k anki, tae kim and genki I for vocab/grammar. Does this sound like a decent way to learn?
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マジありえない
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>>17723666
>>17723595
Report on github.
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>>17724078
なに色
まさか、青い
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>>17724582
What matters is that you start reading native content as soon as you can and don't turn into a textbook drone.
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>>17724582
>>17724744

Agreed, textbooks are reference material. If you're textbook has activities, worksheets, or questions for you to answer, throw that shit away.
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>>17724744
in addition leaving this thread immediately is imperative
theres plenty of japanese people to talk to on the internet who can help you with lots of things to really get you enjoying those erogames the way kamisama intended
you just gotta not be afraid
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>>17724744
>>17724809
>>17724810
should I be reading basic manga even before 2k kanji or basic grammar/vocab? I had planned to slowly slog through some manga after i got through tae kim and genki, around that point i should also know around 2k kanji, is that reasonable or should i just be throwing myself into the deep end?
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I have a Twitter account that posts nude mods for a certain game, and a nip I follow invited me to join his sekrit club (which presumably shares exclusive nude mods). The problem is that he definitely assumes I'm Japanese since everything I've tweeted is in (simple) Japanese. How should I respond? I can either

1. Accept the invitation and hope my bad Japanese doesn't expose me as not being Japanese.
2. Accept the invitation but say I'm still learning Japanese.
3. Accept the invitation but say I'm mentally retarded so that's why my Japanese is bad.

Not accepting the invitation is not an option since I want those nude mods really bad.
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>>17724843
I would personally go with 2, but I don't know anything about the workings of the underworld of nude mods.
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>>17724148
I'm interested. Where is this from?
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Honestly, I'd suggest trying Duolingo for grammar. It's a fairly basic phone app which isn't very good at explaining concepts, but has a good method for getting things to stick in your head, particularly particles and verb tenses. Much better than Taekim for actually applying concepts, although Taekim is way better at actually explaining things. I mean still read Taekim because there is a lot on contextual stuff there that Duolingo doesn't cover like polite/casual speech and what have you, but Duolibgi is fantastic for being able to tell where words start and end and what's a particle and what's part of a word.

I'd say avoid the deep end as a matter of not wanting to burn out, but you have to push yourself because otherwise you end up grinding flash cards and not figuring out what the fuck you need to actually learn.
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>>17724873
Meant for >>17724837
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Man, what happened here. I don't know if it's because the linguistics autist had a breakdown and killed himself, but the post quality has gone down to almost /int/ tier.
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>>17724837

I've been reading ever since I was 500 words into core2k/6k.

Let me try and convince you to start reading right this very instant.

So, to read japanese in general, you need to know a bunch of words (30,000+), a bunch of kanji (2,000+ at a minimum), a bunch of grammar rules (no idea actually), and develop a general feel for it (i.e. be fluent). You might as well fucking give up at that point, it is actually impossible to learn all that shit in advance of reading unless you literally move to japan and learn japanese by trying to survive on the street.

However.... the first two pages of yotsubato only has like 30 words and 20 odd grammar rules. It sounds scary, you probably won't understand anything when you try to read, but there is no better way to understand it than actually trying to read it and looking shit up. Think about it, all those grammar rules and words are scattered throughout 4 different textbooks. But everything you need to know is right there on the fucking page with yotsuba. Studying the textbooks first is ridiculous, you don't know what you want to know yet and there is too much shit too cover all your bases beforehand.

So just start working through those first two pages, type the words you don't know into jisho, search the grammar you don't know into the dictionary of japanese grammar, google the other shit, ask dumb questions here. At first you might not even know where words begin or end, that's ok, you will get better eventually.
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>>17724857
I'm gonna go with 1. and 2. If they do notice my Japanese is bad, I'll tell them. If that's enough to kick me out, I hope I can snag the mods quickly.
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Honestly, I'd suggest trying Sakubi for grammar. It's a fairly basic website which is very good at explaining concepts, and suggests a good method for getting things to stick in your head, particularly particles and verb tenses (reading). Much better than Taekim for actually applying concepts, although Taekim is way better, because it has thousands of meme warriors defending it. I mean still read Taekim because there is a lot on contextual stuff there that Sakubi wastes less time on like polite/casual speech and what have you, but Sakzbi is fantastic for being able to tell where words start and end and what's a particle and what's part of a word.
I'd say avoid avoiding the deep end as a matter of not wanting to burn out; you have to push yourself because otherwise you end up grinding flash cards and not figuring out what the fuck you need to actually learn.
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>>17724902
Meant for >>17724837
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>>17724886
You should've also mentioned that reading actually takes some work off of anki since you learn common words through reading alone which is more fun than doing reps in anki (its more fun given that you read stuff you like)
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くそっ!
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Guys, if one wants to buy a raw manga from kobo rakuten, are there any special steps he has to take if he doesn't live in japan?
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>>17724973
Does putting the っ there mean you have to hold the ! extra long?
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>>17724984
>holding the !
You slut.
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>>17711739

So. I've read quite a bit of Oyasumi Punpun and all of 20th century boys. Is Xenogears going to be on my confort zone? Should I rather read a VN to learn more?

I'm torn between starting Xenogears, playing the japanese translation of baldur's gate or Dies Irae/Kara no Shoujo/Isaku/Tokyo Twilight Busters/Hayarigami/Eve burst error.
Already played Yu-No in english (wasted oportunity as I loved the fuck out of that...)

I want to try stuff with more complex grammar.
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>>17724983
Come on, I always wonder why they make buying things legally overseas so hard...
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>>17725033
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Doesn't anybody have e-manga version of ロクでなし魔術講師と禁忌教典/Rokudenashi Majutsu Koushi to Kinki Kyouten
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>>17724873
>>17724902
thanks

>>17724886
thanks, i may start that tomorrow then. how easy would you say you find it now to read raws? do you still go to jisho and look things up, or does it get more natural? how long reading did it take you to become familiar with grammar/vocab in general? sorry in advance for all the questions.
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With anki, is it better to bury leeches or no? I feel like it's better not to bury them so you don't ignore the building blocks for later kanji and end up snowballing shit you don't know, but I want to ask anyway.
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>>17725216
Leeches are time and energy wasters. Bury them.
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>>17725242
Good thing I asked, then.
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>>17725216
I moved mine to a separate deck. Dunno how much it's gonna help.
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>>17724983
Google fake japanese adress and get a japanese vpn (softether is free but slow).
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>>17725254
Do not EVER buy anything through free VPNs.
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>>17725216
Never bothered burying leeches. Don't really see the point.
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>>17725271
I guess you don't see the point of reading either.
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>>17725275
I don't see how reading has anything to do with burying leeches.
Its not like it makes a huge dent in your reviews or anything, and sometimes it only takes another word with similar kanji for me to really get it down.
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>>17725270
why? with https you are encrypted end to end. its the same reason why your ISP doesn't know your credit card info though they know you visited amazon or whatever
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I have a quick question on grammar as I just started learning like a week ago, and up until now I've just been focusing on memorizing words.

Would you use boku/ore to define things about yourself? Like I am Red, or I am Angry? I see them used as "I am" but I'm not sure if that is an introduction kind of thing, or just a direct literal translation of "I am"

ぼく は赤い

If I wanted to claim that I am literally red, but it is not my name, is that appropriate?
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>>17725097
>i may start that tomorrow then
Not him, but you really should start reading as soon as possible.

My own experience for a long time was one of repeatedly trying to learn Japanese and then giving up. I always felt like I couldn't start reading until I knew everything there was to know, so I would read beginner guides, even try to read through things like the DoJG, force myself to do Core decks and so on in Anki, and every time I would quit within a month, never getting very far with any of it, because it was just so damn boring doing that stuff. And then, on those few attempts where I finally did try to start reading, I never got anywhere because I felt this need to perfectly understand every sentence and every piece of grammar before I would let myself move on, and very quickly I would get frustrated and angry at myself for not being able to understand things, and I would get demoralized and quit, having ultimately read hardly anything.

The changing point for me came when I read through the AJATT table of contents and got a new perspective on how to approach learning the language. Maybe the stuff there is just common sense for most people, but for me it totally wasn't. The things he says about just having fun and learning by doing the stuff you enjoy and so on were things that I really needed to be told. I didn't swallow the site's method wholesale (else I wouldn't be here speaking in English), but there was a lot of good advice I took away from it.

Since then, I've been reading and listening for a few months now and even from the small amount I've read so far, the difference in experience compared to before is completely different. I don't have to force myself to learn Japanese anymore because it's self-sustaining - just by reading something I want to read, I'm learning. And it's not just that I'm actually having fun now. I can tell, even though I'm still far from fluency, that the language has gotten much more natural for me. A lot of lines in what I'm reading now just intuitively make sense to me and the only work I have to do is hovering over a word I don't know with Yomichan to see what it means. I still run into lines I don't understand, of course, but most of those I can figure out pretty quickly just by re-reading them slowly once or twice. If I can't figure a line out after a minute or so though, I don't worry about it like I used to. Rather than coming to a complete halt with my reading and getting all angry and stressed out over not understanding... I just let it go and move on. And even so, I'm still getting better.

The best thing you can do for yourself is to just start reading and listening to whatever you're interested in as soon as possible. Don't be an idiot like I was and waste all that time getting stuck on beginner resources and never moving on.
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>>17725336
Dirty Gaijin don't get to use 僕 nor 俺. You need to use わちき to refer to yourself. Other than that those sentences are okay.
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>>17725359
So If I wanted to describe something about myself, would I use a pronoun? Or should I just use my own name?
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Should I bother decrypting messy handwritten pages/parts in manga? I'm really not sure whether that'd be beneficial.
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>>17725270
If they actually cared they would require a nip debit card.
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>>17725306
Old versions of TLS are not secure, and some shops still use them.
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>>17725373
Both is okay.
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>>17725373
Unless you are close friends with someone, use 私. It's a meme here but that's actually the most normal and polite for 99% of situations you'll encounter until you get good enough to know the difference anyway.
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>>17725359
>Dirty Gaijin don't get to use 僕 nor 俺
is this a real thing
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>>17725375
Do you want to learn to read handwritten Nipponese?
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>>17725452
Yeah, but as I see the problem, it's mostly just about painfully inputting the unknown kanji to various search engines and hoping to get it right that I'm doing right now. I can read most of the words I've already learnt, but it's hard to deal with stuff that is both new AND handwritten.
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Can I update ff or will it kill rikai?
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>>17725570
I think there's still a month left before Rikaisama is kill.
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Do we have a site like http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats for LNs?

I'm curious how LNs compare with VNs in terms of amount of words, kanji, and so on.
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君の髪は薔薇
君の香りは青い夕焼け
永遠に救われない僕の罪を
君はその透明のプリズムで
簡単に吹き飛ばしてしまう
僕は変わろう
新しいマッチを擦ろう

I don't get that プリズム part at all... How is a prism related to blowing this guy's sin away?

This is 悪の華 and this is the protag writing a poem to his crush whose PE clothes he stole.
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>>17725349
Really appreciate this, thanks a lot for sharing your experience. I think I would have probably fallen into the same rut that you describe too.
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So, why say "言ってた" and not "言った"?

Am I missing something basic here?
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>>17725636
have been saying vs said
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>>17725645
Oh that's right, ~ている=~てる
fucking hell, gotta practice
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>>17725614
I think the DJT library includes a few stats, but not as comprehensive.
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>>17725614
I think you could use the same tools.
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100 kanji down in three weeks. how long until i turn japanese, lads?
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>>17725691
do you even know any grammar?
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>>17725691

Twelve minutes or so.
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>>17725695
yes, i know particles and relevant verbs
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>>17725691
読みますか
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>>17725627
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おきちゃった

なんかおはなしして

そしたらねるから
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>>17725777
お前のこといつも見てるから
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>>17724868
Dracu riot
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If you don't understand this speech you don't know Japanese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIkJ0CuOS_M
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>>17725636
Want to have sex with Ena.
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>>17726203
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>>17713743
Today I mined the following words:

頬杖

接岸
怒涛
お陀仏
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>>17726459
no1 give fuck
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>>17711739
Anyone know what that first kanji is? I can read the rest but I can barely see that one.
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>>17726481
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>>17726488
shit, arigathanks gozaimuch
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>>17726494
Kill yourself
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Is it possible that the な of な adjectives comes from なる or なり, or is it already identified as something else?
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>>17726499
It allegedly comes from an "archaic" copula which was more or less like なり
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>>17726499
It comes from the copula なり, which is a contraction of にあり. whether that に is a case marker or a surviving instance of the proto-japonic copula is another question entirely. It does not come from the "become" word なる; there was no use of なる as in "become" in the places where な was first used.

https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/19180/are-な-and-だ-both-copula-verbs

https://linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/4687/etymology-of-japanese-no-na-ni-ga/4691
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咳払い
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I assume there are at least a couple of people here who use LNs are their reading material. Are there any good ones you'd recommend?

Looking through the DJT Library, there are so many there that I don't know where to start, and I don't know of any site like VNDB for LNs which would let me sort by different tags and such to find one that I think would be interesting.
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>>17726620
>咳払い
for a second i thought you were going for "sexual harassment" written in ateji
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>>17726905
i would never do such a thing
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>>17726899
haruchika is the only ln i could stand reading for more than 5 mins
oh i guess i did read ken to maho no fantasy on the toilet over a handful of defecations
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>>17725614
According to DJT libary, most LNs lie around 1500 ~ 1900 kanji. Most VNs seem to be 1700 ~ 2000, which makes sense if you consider the fact that a lot of VNs, unlike LNs, are rated 18+
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>>17724843
Or just say you don't know Japanese.
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>>17721395
I'm at 1755 kanji, and imo reading comprehension is far more important in LNs
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>>17725587
What's going to happen with rikaisama? Firefox forcibly removes mods that are too old?
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>>17727136
Firefox is moving to a new add-on API and the Rikaisama devs aren't going to port Rikaisama over to work on it. Starting from version 57 (i.e. the next stable release), the legacy add-on API will be completely excised from Firefox.

The new API lets add-on developers do less things than the old one, so some add-ons are simply impossible to port to the new API, but given that Yomichan works fine with the new API I don't think this applies to Rikaisama. I think the Rikaisama devs most likely just couldn't be bothered to rewrite their entire add-on from scratch.

I'd switch to Yomichan and start getting used to it now if I were you. Rikaisama has less than a month of life left in it.
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>>17727150
Well shit.
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>>17727136
Just disable the firefox updates and you can keep using it
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>>17727154
the pleasure of russian botnet membership
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>>17727153
Yomichan recently got some updates which allow you to make it behave much like Rikaisama. There's not really any reason to keep using Rikaisama anymore.
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>>17727184
Is there a way to change the white color?
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>>17727193
Right now, I don't think so, but maybe if you bug the dev he'll start work on making the appearance customisable. He seems to be quite responsive to user requests.
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I've restarted learning Japanese, Currently working on this deck so I could have an easier time with genki again: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1188123894, Is it okay to hit good on a new card that I can only read if I mouse over the furigana or if I just saw it a minute ago? I'm worried about not retaining any of the kanji, this seems impossible
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>>17727291
You're worrying about trivial things, there are only two important things you need to keep in mind:

i)If your retention is shit, consider lowering the amount of words you learn per day
ii)If you keep doing your reps every day you will eventually learn them. The only way you won't learn is if you stop.
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>>17727291
>I've restarted learning Japanese
But you've barely started. Forget that deck, use Core 2k/6k for vocabulary.

If you have trouble recognizing kanji use KKLC or RTK (with https://github.com/kanji-koohii/kanji-koohii)
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>>17727302
Fuck, meant to post https://hochanh.github.io/rtk/
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>>17727291
You don't need to memorize the vocab from Genki. Just get through it as quickly as possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40
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おはようおにいちゃん

なつものだして

なつものしまうから
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>>17727338
いもうととめちゃくちゃセックスしたい
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i've decided to start reading, what's a good babbys first VN? i know less than 1000 words so far i'll probably drop it soon anyway and come back when i'm more prepared but it can't hurt to try
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if you can read this, then you can read this
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>>17727346
にほんにくれば?
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>>17727346
ってアホか
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>>17727374
I understand kanji and words, but what the fuck does this mean? There was so much loud voices since morning, someone seems to be lost?
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>>17727420
>but what the fuck does this mean?
Like you, I don't know Japanese, but going by context and what I expect, I would assume it means something like:
>Amane, speaking with such a loud voice in the morning is a nuisance to those in the neighborhood, right? (You know better; don't talk so loud)
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>>17727374
amane is one slick チンピラ
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i dont understand this language

why does naru have so many fucking definitions, why is "寒くなりたい” grammatically correct with adverb? do I not understand what an adverb is?
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>>17727420
"oi u dumb lezzo slut, ur gonna piss the fuckin neighbours off if u keep shoutin like that this early in the mornin innit"
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>>17727437
who cares, just deal with it
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>>17727437
>adverb
you mean adjective?
is it strange to want something to become an adjective?
is it strange to want something to become cold?
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>>17727299
Got it, just stop worrying and keep going.

>>17727302
>>17727324
I was planning on finishing that deck asap and then switching to core 6k/10k, is that a bad idea?
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>>17727441
>>17727432
Where the fuck was I supposed to look up 迷感?
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>>17727437
>寒い - cold
>なる - to become
>たい ending - to want x to happen
>なる+たい = なりたい - to want to become
>寒くなりたい - to want (something, someone) to become cold
folks, did i suss this out properly? respond if you're not scared
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>>17727467
>感

I had trouble with those in the start too.
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>>17727441
is this kaori's chav twin spirit
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>>17727473
Just fuck my shit up senpai. Thanks.
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>>17727475
I find it helps to learn other words that use the kanji -- here are some example that I can think
of off the top of my head: 誘惑, 疑惑.
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>>17727473
おとでおぼえてね

めーわく

めーわく

めーわく

あんきした?
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>>17723691
Hmm, well, seems they don't ship overseas anyway when it's a big set of books like that. I guess that figures. So if I want a huge bundle of books to be sent, I guess I'll need to use one of those services where someone over there buys it, I give them money, and they ship it to me?

Has anybody got experience using services like that?
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>>17727493
音で覚えてって言ったか
問題は漢字の差…書くの…
Fugg -- I'm not ready to produce japanese yet.
The problem, I feel, is noticing the difference between the two kanji and learning words that use the trouble-kanji helps associate the reading and the kanji.
...to be honest though, if I saw 迷感, I would probably read it was めいわく without skipping a beat unless it didn't make sense within the context of the sentence.
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>>17727503
迷感じゃあ めーかん でしょ?

名古屋環状線で名環?そんなのあったかなあってかんじだよ
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なんでやねん!
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>>17727555
>555
How do you read
ね"?
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>>17727574
I don't even know, when syllables that don't usually have voicing marks on em receive them anyway I just kind of think it's supposed to be really rough and guttural. Kind of groaned more than said.
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>>17727451
>is it strange to want something to become an adjective?
If you're an ESL don't talk about English grammar.
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>fell for the "you only need to know about kana and tae kim to start reading" meme
fuck you guys i spent 2 weeks doing nothing but reading VNs and its nothing but pure fucking torture. i spend 3 mins on normal length sentences on average and it gained me absolutely nothing but slightly faster kana recognition. fuck all of you
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>>17727615
Watch anime until you are fluent
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>>17727615
Should've gone with Imabi
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>>17727615
Same
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>>17727615
What EXACTLY is the problem you're having? Is it just looking up all the vocab? If this thread tricked you out of using anki and drilling core, you only have yourself to blame for not following the guide.
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>>17727615

You need a healthy mix of everything early on, of course doing nothing but reading when you barely know anything is retarded. Gotta work on grammar, kanji and vocab as well and accept that any reading you attempt is going to be very slow at first.
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>>17727621
FF外から失礼するゾ~(謝罪) このツイート面白スギィ!!!!!自分、RTいいっすか? 淫夢知ってそうだから淫夢のリストにぶち込んでやるぜー いきなりリプしてすみません!許してください!なんでもしますから!(なんでもするとは言ってない)
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>>17727467
At least learn radicals, nigga.




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