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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>17711739
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はんせいはいらない

せんせいもしらない

がんばれおにいちゃん
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Thanks to everybody who answered the poll.
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惑わす星 = Planet = 惑星
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>>17728141
>はんせいはいらない
もちろん、してない
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黒人は大嫌い
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おやすみ
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I was showing Core cards in random order instead of order added.
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>>17728397
おはよう
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It's called DEEP orthography, bitches!
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>>17728482
>read
>pronounced rid
>read
>pronounced red
Deeper than depth.
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おはようございます。朝ごはんは何ですか?
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>>17728507
あしたはなににしよう

ごはんと

おみそしると

やきなすと

ゆでオクラと

サラダにしようかな
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I before E except after C or when sounding like A, as in neighbor or weigh including only cases where the spelling represents the "long e" sound.
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How do you make Anki more 楽しい and less shit?
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>>17728579
You don't
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>>17728406
A travesty.
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>>17728579
Don't use it to try and learn from. I mean it's a handy flash card program, which is decent enough for spaced repetition memorization, but learning a bunch of moon runes without context only gives you a bit of an advantage as far as familiarity when you actually have to read a sentence.
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Never 4get
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>>17728788
Because then beginners wouldn't have a place to ask questions

Now go on ahead, pick your shitposter reply of choice. But remember, you may only pick one:
>implying anyone answers questions here
>implying anyone here has ever learned japanese
>implying djt has ever helped someone with their studying
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>>17728821
they do its on the real djt?
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>>17728160

Addendum: In case anyone doesn't know, the reason planets were considered "perplexing stars" is because it is very hard to predict their orbits just from observation on earth (because we are stuck right in this clusterfuck of orbits). It wasn't until the 16th century with Keplers laws of planetary motion (that led to the development of calculus) that it became possible.

The ancient greeks similarly called planets "wanderers".
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>>17728931
thats really interesting and cool
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>>17728831
beginner here, please link this real djt
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「私に売る」が「私のために売る」、の同じ意味でしょう?「私が買う」の逆は「私に売られる」だけでしょう?
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>>17728947
>>>/int/80233178
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>>17729001
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>>17729001

I'm pretty sure 私に売られる would mean "sold by me". Not "sold to me". http://www.imabi.net/thepassive.htm
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>>17729081
They were saying that the passive is the only opposite of 私が買う, and wondering that 私に売る and 私のために売る have the same meaning, neither being the opposite of 私が買う.
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>http://www.imabi.net/

It just keeps happening. Imabi should probably move to neocities or something.
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>>17726899
Well, I skimmed through the library and found three which sound quite interesting:
AURA ~魔竜院光牙最後の闘い~
六花の勇者
ノーゲーム・ノーライフ

Has anyone read any of them?
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>>17729172
watching aura is better in some ways than reading it
watch it first then read it later imo
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>>17729001
私のために売る = "sold to me" or "someone sells something for me"

私に売られる = "sold to me" or "sold by me"
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>>17728063
>#1845
Any particular reason for this?
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>>17729186
>Hanazawa Kana as female lead
hhnnnggggg, tempting

But if I watch it, I know I won't be interested in reading it, at least for quite some time.
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>>17729238
they probably just copy pasted it funny
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>>17729267
its a pretty good movie but only a merely ok book
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>>17729359
Oh right. It sounded a bit reminiscent of Chuu2 so I thought it might be a fun read.

Are there any LNs that you would recommend?
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>>17727501
>Hmm, well, seems they don't ship overseas anyway when it's a big set of books like that. I guess that figures.

Most people selling used sets of books don't ship overseas, but if you buy the ones fulfilled by Amazon they will.
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>>17729435
well re aura without giving anything specific away it was a fresh take on some classic lit so if youre not familiar it goes over your head and it goes double if your japanese isnt good enough to notice it from the text
its much easier to notice whats going on if you watch it though

anyway i dont read a lot of light novellas but as always i can rec you haruchika because i thought it had strong author voice and was frankly fresh as fuck
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>>17729500
Doesn't always work either.
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Can someone help me translate the quoted part on this page? I'm mostly having trouble with 「りゅうぐうじょうに ごあんないします」 Thanks
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>>17729521
hes going to bring you to a castle under the sea
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>>17729521
ごあんない = ご prefix + 案内
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>>17729500
I added all of the listings to my cart and slowly clicked through to see which ones they'd send and which ones they'd refuse to send, and the only one that they're willing to ship to America is the one that's listed for like 13000 yen, at which point it's hardly a great deal. That, and I already ended up just seperately ordering the first six volumes anyway, so if I did want to do that I'd have these duplicates because it's too late to cancel.
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>>17729521

Hiragana kids stories are cancer
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>>17729541
cause you dont know words
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>>17729521
Cute as shit. Where is that from?
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>>17729545
t. ankidrone
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>>17729553
A collection of children's books called Japanese Children's Favorite Stories. You can find it in the CoR.
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>>17729559
i never did a flashcard in my life and think theyre gay desu but the guy readin the my first urashima taro book is doin the top tier shit
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>>17729569
>anti-anki defending hiragana stories
Why?
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>>17729508
>anyway i dont read a lot of light novellas but as always i can rec you haruchika because i thought it had strong author voice and was frankly fresh as fuck
Ah, you're the same guy from the last thread?

I looked for Haruchika in the library, CoR and on nyaa, but it doesn't seem to exist anywhere digitally.
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>>17729574
¿Not him but what does being pro or anti anki have to do with hiragana stories? Do people use anki as a way to recognize words like 国会委員会 phonetically on the fly?
I have trouble with that. I can read those words perfectly but if I'm listening spoken japanese I have to pay very careful attention to such aglutinative "words".
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>>17729531
>>17729534
Thanks a lot!

>>17729553
Urashimatarou
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>>17729567
>>17729595
Thank you.
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>>17729510
Oh, I didn't know that.
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>>17729574
prolly because they are written in the most basic ways possible to help you establish how grammar actually works

plus now in the case of that book hell have a frame of reference for urashima taro jokes and references to urashima taro that may come up in the future

overall very dope !

>>17729586
i have the books but im sure they can be stolen on the internet
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Man, learning to read Japanese names is fucking hard.
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>>17729670
I don't even know how it can be possible. I was watching a Japanese LP of Machi, and every time a character's name would pop up they would struggle for a few seconds to figure it out.
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I image searched 獣姦 to make sure I understand the nuances of the word.
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Can someone translate "Have a great new life in Japan" for me please?
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>>17729888
お前ら日本人の大切なクソ島が海に沈んだらいいよ
You're welcome!
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>>17729888
日本に新しいグレート命を奏でれますように
youre welcome
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>>17729949
wew was almost going to send the message before I knew better

>>17729970
Thanks
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Fucking fuck ン and ソ and シ and ツ.
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>>17729606
If they guy can't find it why not let him a hand?
Also, you would be surprised how many insanely popular LNs are only available in images or even not at all. Nips and weebs are just retarded and can't into using a one-click de-DRM tool (with fucking GUI, it's not like you need to be a leet haxxor) so they resort to taking fucking screenshots of text like some fucking Neanderthals. And since this retarded method is rather bothersome, a lot of shit isn't available at all.
Now I'm angry again.
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>>17729783
It kinda isn't. Some names can be read many different ways, no way of knowing which one the particular person uses. You may try to guess the most common reading, but you can't know how to read it.
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https://streamable.com/njmoz
>discussing pronouns
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>>17730047
i dont steal things so theres not much i can do
i dont even know what the stuff you were talking about is
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>>17730038
ン and シ are aligned on the left,
ソ and ツ are aligned on the top.

This is true for all fonts
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>>17729783
The thing is, that person was at least able to make a reasonable guess, they weren't completely clueless. That's the skill I'm trying to acquire.
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>>17730047
>the guy can't find it why not lend
I'm drunk.
>>17730113
>How dare you steal the potential monetary gain of local bakers and fisherman by multiplying the fish and the bread!
So that's the real reason why Jews killed Jesus, he was stealing their money. I can't blame them, such a vile crime deserves capital punishment.
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>>17730136
>muh semantics
Kill you are self.
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>>17730147
Hollywood and other lobbies call it 'stealing' to make people believe in their retarded agenda. And as we can see it's fucking working.
There are some cases where words do matter, my friend. They are misusing the term to brainwash us.
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anyone know where to find the katanagatari LN raw? only one on nyaa has 0 seeders, bakabt it's blacklisted, and most of the other sites have 0 seeders
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>>17730179
https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E5%88%80%E8%AA%9E-%E7%AC%AC%E4%B8%80%E8%A9%B1-%E7%B5%B6%E5%88%80%E3%83%BB%E9%89%8B-%E8%AC%9B%E8%AB%87%E7%A4%BE%EF%BC%A2%EF%BC%AF%EF%BC%B8-%E8%A5%BF%E5%B0%BE%E7%B6%AD%E6%96%B0-ebook/dp/B01LMU2ISS/
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>>17730179
It's in the djt library man. Why was that not the first place you looked?
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>>17730184
nice meme
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>>17730159
you wouldnt download a car
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>>17729187

Dumb language!
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>>17730159
don't call it your hobby if you're not willing to spend money on it lol
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>>17730191
good question, thanks though
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>>17730199
what if your hobby is living vicariously through the pirated content you consume via the internet access your parents pay for
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>>17730193
Wouldn't I?
>>17730199
I spend if what I want is unavailable and then make it available for others.
Do you have some mistaken belief that you have to spend money to have fun? Absolutely retarded.
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>>17730199
By what definition can something only be called a hobby if one spends money on it?
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>>17730229
mine
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>>17730232
to be more clear, i just think that if you're not willing to fork over ten whole dollars for a book you want to read which isn't available in any other format, maybe you don't care enough to read through the book to begin with?
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>>17730241
>if you're not willing to fork over ten whole dollars for a book you want to read which isn't available in any other format
Nice strawman.
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im gonna miss all these posts when theyre gone
all ill have left is my memories of when djt was allowed to have a conversation
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>>17730247
>calling something that isn't a strawman a strawman
grasping at strawmans i see
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>>17730256
Please give me the quote where anybody claimed they wouldn't pay if they really wanted something and it was unavailable on sharing sites.
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stop grabbing at each others strawmans (chinkos)
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isnt it strawMEN
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isnt mans just a way more fun word
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>>17730274
the plural of man is "mans," dude.

>>17730276
THIS guy gets it.
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all mans and womans and strawmans are equal
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anyone want to come over and play the new chinpokomans on my okama gamesphere
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Does there yet exist an OCR'd PDF version of the HJGP?

Or even just a regular PDF version?
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>>17730357
No, but you're free to make one.
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>>17730357
I may or may not be OCRing it, but it's a very slow process and I'm skipping the main example sentences.
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>>17730196
yesterday evening I was evening out some dirt and refuse, chores I couldn't refuse since the only other person with me was an invalid making the option invalid
yeah great language
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>>17730359
Already tried making a PDF myself but I think my computer is too much of a toaster to do it. ImageMagick kept complaining about there not being enough memory or something to that effect, and none of the solutions to the problem I found through Google worked.
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>>17730372
Downscale it one image at a time with a script. Then it should be able to build the PDF.
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Differences in DoJG vs HJGP? Haven't been to DJT in a year or so, so I'm not familiar with it.

Also, if I can (mostly) understand grammar explanations in Japanese, would I be better off reading a Japanese resource instead, and if so, which one?
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>>17730501
>Differences in DoJG vs HJGP? Haven't been to DJT in a year or so, so I'm not familiar with it.
HJGP is basically a more modern less bloated DoJG. It contains more explanatory information and makes it easier to find. DoJG is also split up into three volumes for no reason but to cost more if you acquire it legally.

https://warosu.org/jp/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=dojg+hjgp

>Also, if I can (mostly) understand grammar explanations in Japanese, would I be better off reading a Japanese resource instead, and if so, which one?
Unless you're completely fluent, no. Grammar explanations need to be understood 99.9%, not 95% or even 98%.
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>>17730501
>DoJG vs HJGP
Former is terse in abbreviations for constructs, assumings you want to produce so includes formation, its example sentences contain a fair amount of common names and uncommon words making reading a chore

Latter focuses on exactly the example sentences, has a lot more of them, less names, simpler word choice and a brief explanation. But its also exhaustive in every instance the construct might be used. I prefer this one over DoJG.
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>>17730524
You have me convinced but there's no deck.
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>>17730542
i just use this
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/
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Could someone help me with this, please? I only started learning Japanese a few days ago, but I'm trying to understand a drawing meme that's been going around Twitter for a while. I get the title, and most of the descriptions, but what's throwing me off is お好みの女子を. I haven't gotten to a use of を without a verb yet, so is the English equivalent something like "Designated as women's favorite"/"Popular with Women"? And if so, is that in a "gets along well with other girls" sense, or a "other girls are attracted to them" one?
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>>17730551
I mean I'm able to read without any problems so I don't bother to look anything up, but I'm doing one new card a day (only exposure, i.e. I read all the info, but don't score myself) for a painless one year experience.
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>>17730542
I've been contemplating making a deck of all the sentences in it, but the gargantuan nature of the task has put me off doing it so far. There are 13 example sentences on the first page alone, and I dread to imagine just how many there are in the entire book. Even taking a conservative estimate of 6 sentences per page, that's more than 4000 in total, and every single one of them has to be manually typed out and then carefully re-read a few times to check for errors.

Even if I were to start it, I can't see myself making it through more than a dozen pages before giving up.
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>>17730542
Why would you use the deck?
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>>17730617
It can be simplified with OCR.
Just wish people who made the DJG deck used this instead.
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>>17730623
To learn all the grammar.
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>>17730569
It's a sentence fragment with an unspecified or implied action.
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>>17730624
Wasn't available in English at the time.
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>>17730617
Try >>17718147 (https://forum.koohii.com/thread-14814.html)
You can paste sentences with mistakes into a text editor, fix them, and paste them back into the reader. It autosaves everything.
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>>17730626
Would you use Recognition or Cloze?
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Is there any good Kanji writing software for touch screen pcs?
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>>17730658

Google translate.
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>>17730664
>translate
Wrong thread.
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>>17730675

No, really, Google Translate has the best kanji input system.
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>>17730664
Yeah I'm trying to practice my writing and memorization, not look up what i write terrible
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>>17730675
Nicely memed, but Google translate is objectively the best way to search for kanji if you don't want to fuck with radicals.
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>>17730656
Use what you want.
I'm too lazy to look up the nuance during reading as I'm more or less able to get the meaning, so I'm just doing the deck to hopefully remember some nuance.
As there's too much info for SRS to be worth it and the most basic info can be found in yomichan anyway (and will be remembered easily by reading) I'm just reading all the info and hitting good.
You could argue I would probably get most of the nuance in a few years of reading, but it's painless so whatever.
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>>17730679
Just use pen and paper. If you really want to use your PC, why not stuff like paint?
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>>17730681
>Nicely memed
Fuck off to >>>/int/, buddy.
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>>17730693
I'm capable. Do you want to be capable? If so, read some of the links on the pate linked in the OP.
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>>17730693
Nah, we just discuss study methods here. I doubt there are people here who can actually read and understand everything in your image.
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>>17730686
I want something that shows me how to write it, and then grades my accuracy based on stroke order and other various criteria.
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>>17730693
Nope. 7 billion people on this planet and not a one can understand both English and Japanese.
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>>17730699
Maybe you could emulate DS bimoji training?
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>>17730716
>7 billion people
Wow! Didn't know DJT was this popular.
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>>17730522
>DoJG is also split up into three volumes for no reason but to cost more if you acquire it legally.
They were published years, even decades apart, you mong.
A complete single volume would be a multiple thousand page tomb, expensive to publish and would end of costing far more. There is also a reason why large encyclopedias publish in multiple volumes.
Please don't talk about things you do not appear to understand.
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>>17730781
>They were published years, even decades apart, you mong.
There is no reason to compile them into a single cheap volume.

>A complete single volume would be a multiple thousand page tomb
That is a very bad thing.

>expensive to publish
We have this thing called computers.

>and would end of costing far more
DoJG contains less useful information than HJGP. Why should it cost more than that?

>There is also a reason why large encyclopedias publish in multiple volumes.
Because they actually contain so much information that they must be.

>Please don't talk about things you do not appear to understand.
You're a fucking moron.
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>>17730784
>There is no reason to compile them into a single cheap volume.
this is sarcasm btw
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In Anki's styling section for card types, how can I add comments? Is there a special character for it, like "#" you often see in code?

I have to add lots of little fixes for Ankidroids and it's getting a bit messy to differentiate which styling stuff is my actual styling and what's fixes for Ankidroid or add-ons.
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>>17730819
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>father
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>>17731020

父じゃなくて乳だ
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>>17730902
Thank you! At first, I didn't get that the asteriskes were supposed to literally be there.
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Why learn just Japanese when you could learn Japanese and Esperanto at the same time?
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>>17731122
Same.
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>>17730631
I figured that, but is there a general trend for what that construction means – what action tends to get implied in that context?
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>>17731222
In that picture it means drawing the artist's お好み.
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>>17731253
Okay, just wanted to make sure. Thanks, anon(s).
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https://youtu.be/Vpg2RdjNuWQ
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Have any of you idiots actually memorized a decent amount of kanji through Remembering The Kanji? I can't decide if I want to switch to it from just learning through vocab.
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>>17731328
Ah, he's rude, he's rude!
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Finished my first VN route.

I didn't anticipate finishing it today, but I just couldn't stop reading. I think I read for about 6 hours straight.

Not sure now whether to read another route or take a short break from it to try something else.
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>>17731389
How many words did you mine from it, anon? I'm at almost 900 from my first one.
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>>17731429
Zero.

I wanted to see how I managed without using Anki, and it went fairly well actually. I managed to learn quite a lot of words just by reading, and towards the end, there were a quite a lot of sentences where I already knew all the words or only had to look up one or two.

I might give mining a try with whatever I read next, but I'll leave that decision to tomorrow.
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>>17731429
Not him, but I read Flyable Heart as my first VN and I mined 2178 new words and 164 new kanji (I had done RTK beforehand, so that's 164 that weren't in RTK or the 2.5k~ words of Core I did). As I got around halfway through the common route I started being a lot more conservative with what my mining criteria were so that I could keep the new card queue down.
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>>17731429
I mined 2.5k from Satsukoi. That was after completing Nayr's 5k/Anon5k deck.
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>>17731441
Okay, had a little play around with getting the Anki import thingy setup for Yomichan and I got it working without much trouble. Think I will give mining a shot from tomorrow and see how I get on with it, but if it starts becoming a source of procrastination then I'll most likely stop and go back to just reading.

I'll probably go pretty steady with Anki and just do 10 new cards a day. I don't want to be one of those people I see in these threads who spend an hour or more every day just doing Anki, and I think I will be more likely to keep it up if it's something I can get out of the way quickly each day as well.
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おはようおにいちゃん

おつきみってえいごでなんていうの?
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>>17731548
moon watchingかな
あるいは放心状態のやつ
'lost the plot'みたい
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>>17731568
じゃあおつきさまは?
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Daijirin or Daijisen?
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へんたいはだいたいペンギンがすき

にほんのことわざ
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I have no idea what this means, can anyone help out?
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>>17731716
Isn't it something like "I remember the day you guys' mom was born like it was yesterday"?
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>>17731716
しどにあ?

さいきん二瓶よんでない
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>>17731778

It's from 人形の国, apparently it is supposed to be set in the same universe as knights of sidonia but I'm not familiar with that series so I can't say. It takes place on the surface a giant ship covered in snow, the art style is super cool, with light grey shading taking place of most of the ink work because snow reflects so much light and gives you super strong global illumination.
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>>17731834
にへいはすごいよねえ

よんでみたーい
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>>17730372
What kind of script did you use?
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Is it possible to convert a PDF format book that has furigana to an HTML file that retains the furigana? Tried calibre with default settings and the furigana weren't properly tagged and were on their own lines not positioned or tagged properly. I'm reading something in PDF format and Yomichan isn't playing nice with it if the word isn't the first word or two of a line.

It's mostly just a minor inconvenience since I can just copy the text from the PDF to a different tab to look up, but still would be nice if I could just convert it to HTML.

The PDF in question, if you want to play around with it https://a.pomf.cat/kiccge.pdf
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>>17731122
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY2wF_EEaV0
>Alice sings in Esperanto
Sasuga.
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why's it so hard to find japanese people to practice with? they just ignore me
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>>17732005
you haven't found any yet, just english teachers
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>>17732009
i didn't mean on 4chan
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Is there any place where I can find Japanese subtitles of Owarimonogatari S2?
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>>17731716
>>17731726
"I remember the day your grandmother's grandmother was born like it was yesterday." if I'm not mistaken.
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あしたは

はれるとおもう?

あめだとおもう?
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>>17731605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgk-lA12FBk
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>>17732118
晴れるや
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n3h2DAgeno
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>>17732161
せやn って関西弁とちゃうわ!騙されたやねん
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>>17732118
自分の行末のような暗雲
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>>17731328
It werks for me, but if you have good spacial memory then you don't need to.
Well, at least my verbal memory is good so after I associate shapes with words then learning vocab is easy.
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forgive my lewdness, but maybe someone with a better ear than me can figure this out

I called a deriheru earlier to see if I could get it in. when they answered I didn't quite catch everything they said. I called again to get a recording hoping i'd be able to figure it out but i'm stumped

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1potyUb5HGg

So far I've got:

あ、えっと今日、女の子がもう____が埋まっててご案内できないということですね。

I'm aware the overall message is that the girls are all booked up tonight, but can anyone understand what the hell that blank is?
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>>17732394
全員 something something
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>>17732394
>全員御予約

だとおもうよ
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>>17732405
this is definitely it, thanks bud
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>>17732424
あたしはねるから

あとはほかのひとにきいてね
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Do you guys have strategies for picking which words to mine? I mined too many at once.
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>>17732640
read book for child where every single word isnt new to you
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>>17732640
If there's a chance I will ever see that word again, I mine it.
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>>17732642
I do read easy stuff but I read a lot.
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>>17732640
1) Does it have a kanji I don't know (if so, mine)
2) If not, was I able to read the kanji (if not, mine, if so, check if I read it correctly, if so, don't mine, if not, mine)
3) How long did it take me to correctly read the kanji? (if fast, don't mine, if slow, mine)

If I knew the kanji and read it fast correctly, I don't mind.

This technique is for strengthening kanji skills. If you are at the point of reading all words correctly knowing every kanji and the proper reading, you are done with Anki.
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レディーファースト?

なんでやねん
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>>17732834
レディーは拷問されるにはファーストやで
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Holy shit don't play this game, I just wanted some imouto cuddle and sibling love, but this damn megane rapist keep monopolizing every scene.
Imouto isn't even relevant, stupid imouto locks herself in her room.
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>>17733021
why didnt you just read any shit generic post 2k10 moe game instead of yosugaのfuckfest
however its a very deep and thought provoking game lol
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Any opinions on japanese the card game?
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>>17733118
Games won't teach you more than a few hundred words and basic grammar.
This is nowhere near enough to actually understand anything not specifically targeted at someone of that level.
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got my first 30 days straight of anki lads.
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>>17730643
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>>17733161
Drop that cramming, Anki will make sure you remember everything without wasting time on cards you already know well.
Use that extra time to add more cards or to read when you're at a level where that's possible.
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>>17733021
Doesn't it fucking depend on the route?
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Does anyone here keep decks of Japanese names and famous Japanese people?
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>>17733161
>6059 reviews in 30 days
Christ dude, how many new cards are you adding every day?
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good traditional folk music?
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>>17733179
I started cramming because I wasn't remembering but I lowered my daily new cards from 20 to 15 and it made a big difference. I'll take your advice, that time is better spent doing something else.

>>17733199
15 cards, I think it counts every time the card is shown as a review, every time you click again it counts it as a review
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>>17733199
>below 200 reviews (apart from the retarded cramming)
>a lot
OK
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>>17733209
fuck wrong thread
ごめんね
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>>17733183
judging by the post i think hes still in the first hour of the game lol
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>>17733229
>*reviews a day
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>>17733199

I have even more.
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>>17731122
>no history
>no culture
>no media
>no one but smug autists to speak it with
Why would anyone waste their time learning Esperanto?
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>>17733241
Step it up

only ~300 of these are on japanese
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I'm new to this. Today I'm finishing the kana. I started last week.
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>>17733260

I used to do over 400 a day, but that was a few years ago; made me want to die.

I bet no-one can beat this young/mature ratio.
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>>17733265
>5k new cards
>no reviews
What am I looking at?
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>>17733265
Anki is overkill for Kana
You'll see all of them so often that an Anki review every few days/weeks won't do anything.

Just cram them for a few days and then move on to learning vocab and grammar.
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So do you guys just spend like, 2+ hours every day reviewing cards in anki? I hope you guys, uh, learned your cards good.
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>>17733277

I can do up to 20 cards a minute.
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>>17733277
Literally nothing wrong with that

(take a deep breath, dont get triggered yet)

as long as you spend another 2 hours studying grammar and reading
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>>17733271
I'm following the book Remembering the Kana. I started last Saturday with it.

>>17733273
I don't know, anon. The syllabary is so basic that I want to get it right. As I said, this is the last day I'm studying them. Tomorrow I'm starting with the basic grammar and reading kiddie books.
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>>17733289
>Remembering the Kana

Good choice. That's what I always recommend.
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>>17733277
Spending ~15 minutes a day to remember 17k cards forever was worth the time I had to spend in the beginning.
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>>17733303
oops, forgot the picture
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>>17733306
that's a big deck
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>>17733316
4ウ
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>>17733316
More than one deck.

~2500 Kanji, ~12000 vocab cards, 2500 grammar cards (mostly the DOJG sentences)
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>>17733277
Yes, and I still fail like 25% every day.
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Is it possible to strip all the crap like P, ichi, news, JMDICT (English) from cards created via Yomichan without losing the actually important info like n, uk, vi, vt, adj-na and so on?
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>>17733183
don't think I'll make it to imouto route she and this annoying guy just keep coming even though there are not even on the cover
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>>17733495
>ichi is useless
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>>17733495
Yes, but you'll probably have to mess with the handlebars stuff at the end of the settings, and I have no idea how that works
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>>17733511
I don't care if a word is common or not. If I'm learning it, it's common enough that I think it's useful to know, and that's all that matters. I just want to see what kind of word it is without all the clutter.

Look at this shit. It's an eyesore.

Before you ">mining ある" or something in response, I'm not actually going to add ある to my deck, I'm just testing the import feature out right now.
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>>17733526
There's {glossary-brief}, but if that removes too much, you'll have to do it yourself with >17733520
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>>17733526
use j>j dumbass
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>>17733526
Sorry, I didn't pay attention and assumed it's ichi vs godan.
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>>17733306
can anyone beat my vocab deck?
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>>17733550
good work anon. how long have you had that bad boy cooking?
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>>17733550
Looking at the stats it appears I've spent 962 hours doing 535,363 reps. Worth?
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>>17733554
Almost 5 years, something like:

year 1: 10,000
year 2: 10,000
year 3: 4,000
year 4: 500
year 5: 500
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>>17733536
Looks like dogshit even with glossary-brief because of this list layout. Some entries having bullet points while others don't just looks awful, as does the fact that bullet points start on the same line as the number.

And I have no idea how to edit that handlebars code. I want to learn Japanese, not a programming language.

>>17733540
What use is a J-J definition if it contains a word I don't understand? And how am I supposed to answer such a card? Do I have to recite the entire definition in Japanese for a correct answer?
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>>17733560
>Do I have to recite the entire definition in Japanese for a correct answer?
No, you have to understand the word, and the J>J definition is just there to remind you of the meaning. You don't need to recite anything, even with english definitions, you should know whether you know the card without even looking at the the back most of the time.
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>>17733593
Seems like it would make more sense to have the word appear in a sentence rather than as an isolated vocabulary item in that case. The only way to know whether you're understanding the word is if you can understand a sentence which uses it.
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>>17733603
Then you end up remember the sentence and not the word. "Oh it's this sentence, I know which word I'm supposed to remember", without even looking at the word at all you already know. In reading you wouldn't know until you saw the word in a unique sentence.
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>>17733603
Yeah, I have sentences on the front of my cards and use them to differentiate different meanings of that word.
I try not to look at them unless I know it's a word I have multiple cards for, because the sentence often makes answering the card too easy (you remember the sentence and the answer, but not necessarily the word itself)
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フツボル or サツカー?
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>>17733639
足丸と手卵やな?
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>>17733650
つーか足球つもりやった
今夜頭おかしい
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>>17733603
>The only way to know whether you're understanding the word is if you can understand a sentence which uses it.
Why do brainlets keep saying this? Stop parroting some youtuber or whatever and spend like 20 seconds thinking this through yourself.
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>haven't studied in 1 year and a half
>let my problems/stress get to my head and give up

I'm weak.
出来ない indeed...
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>>17733626
Use expandable sentences then (just google or see how the DoJG does it).
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>>17733639
never seen anyone using フツボル.

Also I'm pretty sure Genki and iKnow use サツカー
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>>17733770
What a disgrace. God damned Americans and their handegg.
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>>17733774
Hey, I'm Brazilian, I'd go with フツボル because that's what's natural to me, I was just stating I don't see it being used in Japanese, it's all.
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>>17733758
The DoJG doesn't do anything about this. You're referring to a deck, not the DoJG. You can't substitute one for another in this kind of statement.
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>>17733781
the dojg deck obviously
you can see in their card styling how to make hidden sentences that will only be visible once you click the placeholder text
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>>17733639
>>17733770

あのう、「サツカ」って何?

「サッカー」じゃない?
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tfw imabi
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>>17733901
he really should move away from webs
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>>17733639
>>17733770
>>17733778
>ボール
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>>17733757
I haven't studied in a year. I tried to start reading Leyline. I started it, read a few lines and then minimized it. It has been sitting there for over a month now.
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>>17733199
>>17733241
>>17733260
Small time
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>>17733910
Reading is doable, comprehension in parallel isn't.
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>>17733665
That guy is fluent, you aren't.
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>>17733931
He's not.
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>>17733935
Ok.
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>>17733910
I can do it with that particular excerpt, but doing it consistently with any kind of content is still a problem.
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>>17733925
>Reading is doable, comprehension in parallel isn't.
That's skimming then, not actually reading.
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>>17733757
>>17733916
今日から頑張りましょう
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>>17733910
Left is doable when I read something I've encountered before + no new words.

>>17733916
>MM/DD/YYYY
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>>17733951
Reminder that the Metric date format is the only date format.
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>>17733951
Anything but YYYY/MM/DD is worthless.
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>>17733951
>not writing year as 平成29年
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>>17733920
you're cute
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>>17734047
>909 per day
Why y'all this way lmao
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>>17734047
Did you learn japanese yet?
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>>17734047
how many real sentences do you read per day?
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>>17734121
i'm too stubborn to lower my new below 20 per day, it only takes me a little over an hour and my mature retention only recently slipped below 80%.
>>17734135
no
>>17734148
I read for 2 hours a day, between manga and whatever current vn.
It should be obvious to anyone that anki is not the goal, just a means to an end, despite what trolls want to call us 'ankidrones'.
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>>17734047
That's just fucking stupid. Sure this might be the fastest way to learn, but it sure as hell isn't time-efficient at all.
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>>17734165
If you read for 2 hours you aren't an ankidrone.
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>>17734244
>fastest way to learn
>not time-efficient
I am sorry, but what are you trying to say?
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>>17728063
Are there any websites where I can take tests on specific Genki lessons?
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yes
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>>17733931
You don't need to see the word "naive" in a sentence to know what it means, for the simple reason that "You are naive" doesn't give the 'naive' any context other than telling you it's a word that can be applied to a person.
There, argument disproven. And who are you even talking about with "that guy," the one you're parroting? Fucking hell mate, when someone calls you out on parroting don't reply "but he's a solid source to parrot!," that's just pathetic.

And if you're some random different anon, same question. Who are you talking about?
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>>17734244
>>17734283

To be honest, he's kind of right. I couldn't really utilise what I had learnt in Anki until after a significant amount of reading.
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>>17734336
Not the anon you're replying to, but let me say that stuff like this is why you need context. Maybe add the sentence before "You're naive" in order to get some contextual clues to help you guess its meaning.
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>>17733920
We aren't so different, you and I.
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きこえません おにいちゃんのたわごとは
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>>17732118
アリゾナだからいつも晴れる
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Whats the job market like for JtE Translators? I dont want to make bank or anything, but do they make a livable amount? What about qualifications needed and all that jazz?
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>>17733910

No you don’t.
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Can someone hook me up with Eromanga Sensei epubs?
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>>17734598
No one has pirated them. Buy them from Rakuten and share them here if you want.
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>>17734620
>tfw no money
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>>17733639
サッカー
アメフト
フットボール is ambiguous
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>>17734533
N-not really, these are my deck life stats
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>>17733555
>>17734849 (here)
I'm only at 7000~ cards and i'm already close to half your total reviews.You must have had great retention back then too during your first year
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Is there any chat rooms or discords for japanese learners and such?
primarily being in japanese but naturally would be a learning place.
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>>17734870
Do you hit hard on everything or something? I guess it helps that I always went over all the cards I was adding before I added them.
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>>17734988
Must be the result of more steps + lower retention i suppose. Looks like i'm going to see a million reviews.
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>>17734903
such a thing is completely unsustainable without several people who can give good information and constantly interact
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>>17731429
Anon from yesterday who you posted this in response to.

Started mining today and I'm already at 150 words just from 2 hours of reading through Yui's scenes (those which I didn't see before anyway) in the common route of Flyable Heart.

How have you only mined 900? Or have you only been reading for a few days?
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Whenever I mine a word with kanji I don't know I just make up a meaning/idea for it and adjust it after I see new words with that character. Am I fucking up? Should I be looking up every meaning for words with new kanji?

It seems like studying a kanji, then learning common vocab for that kanji would be more efficient.
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>>17735200
My first learning material was an LN, and I decided I didn't wanna mine because it seemed like a pain (I couldn't figure out how to set it up via Yomichan and I don't like Firefox so no Rikai). I finished it, but by the end I realized I hadn't really absorbed any of the vocab, so I decided I'd start a VN up and read through that, and this time I've been mining. So in short, yeah, I'm a new learner and mining for the first time, even though this isn't my first read.
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>>17735299
I think you most likely did absorb quite a lot of vocab, it's just that kanji complicates matters... at least, that's what I'm finding. Quite a lot of the words which I have to mouse over with Yomichan are ones that I would easily know if they were written in kana but have trouble recognising because of the kanji.

For now, I'm not mining such words and instead resolving to try to pay more attention to how they're written from now on. If that doesn't work, I guess I will mine them in the future.

Also, I had the idea to start looking up every word I mine in a J-J dictionary (I've opted for Daijirin) and subsequently mine any unknown words present in the definitions. Hopefully this way I'll be able to switch over to J-J dictionaries before too long. I tried looking up some words in Daijirin earlier and there were just too many unknown words in the definitions for me to make use of it for the time being.
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does 兄 always mean brother?
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vocabulary test, 9/13 here, how about you?
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>>17735338
Ask your dictionary.
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>>17735372

0/13
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>>17728160
>英語 planet の語源はギリシア語のプラネテス(さまよう者、放浪者などの意。IPA: /planítis/ [1])。


漢字の「惑星」という呼称は、長崎のオランダ通詞・本木良永が1792年(寛政4年)、コペルニクスの地動説を翻訳する際に初めて用いた造語である。天球上の一点に留まらずうろうろと位置を変えるようすを「惑う星」と表現したことから来たと言われている。つまり天動説が主流であったころ星座を形づくっている夜空の星たちが同じような位置関係で大空を巡って行くのに、いくつかの星達だけが不規則な動きをするのが不思議に見え「惑っている」と見えたのである(→順行・逆行)。
天文学が発達する以前は、天動説の見地から太陽や月も惑星の中に分類されており、七曜、週の曜日名や占星術にその考えかたの名残がある(なお、現在の天文学上の定義では、太陽は恒星、月は衛星に分類される)。
惑星は、古くは遊星(ゆうせい)とも言った。「遊星」と「惑星」はともに江戸時代にまでさかのぼる言葉であり(ただし古い例では「游星」となっている)、他に「行星」の表記も使われた(参考:惑星と遊星)。
明治期に学術用語の統一を図る際に、東京大学閥が「惑星」、京都大学閥が「遊星」を主張した。結局東大閥が勝ち、天文学の分野では「惑星」の表記に統一された。しかし遊星歯車など異分野の用語として、あるいはフィクション内の表現として「遊星」の名が使われる例もある(例:『遊星からの物体X』、『遊星仮面』、遊星爆弾(『宇宙戦艦ヤマト』)、移動遊星(『21エモン』)など)。
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おはようおにいちゃん

>>17735372
ひふの膚の字

たぶんかけない

膠質がわかんないや
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>>17735372
i got like fat, skin, enamel since kana, mucus membrane and body hair as a guess on meaning, no clue on reading.
The rest are just guessing on both. 3/12, I'm not counting kana.
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>>17735383
here's why i asked. she just addresses him as cray in the english version. jisho didn't do much to help me understand. maybe they're close enough friends for her to see him as a sibling.
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>>17735453
she seems rather uninterested in the 流れ星
like -_-
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>>17735453
http://bof.wikia.com/wiki/Nina_(Breath_of_Fire_IV)

>Because of a mistranslation in the English version, Nina's feelings toward Cray as an older brother was mistakenly translated to be that she was in love with him. This caused confusion among the western crowd. However, the Japanese version did not contain such dialogue.

I've never even played this game and I found the answer in under a minute. Learn to do things for yourself instead of begging everyone to solve everything for you.
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あたまがぽわぽわする

寒露の夜露に寝冷え哉
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I fell for the trap of only studying vocab and its really fucking me up. I feel like a total dumbass because my vocab is at an N2 level but my grammar is at an N4 level. Its so frustrating to be able to read every word in a sentence and still not knowing what it means.
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@17735709
>I fell for the trap of only studying vocab
you're either lying, retarded or both, the guide has no such 'trap'
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>>17735720
damn anon-tan maybe he didn't follow the guide, maybe he made some kind of mistake in his studies. to that other anon, i'd recommend you just read more. you have an advantage on people who have starter-level vocab because at least you don't have to hover every single word you see.
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>>17735720

>calling someone retarded because he didn't follow some guide on the internet

Especially funny from someone that can't even reply properly.
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>>17735709
So learn grammar, what's the big deal? Learning grammar will take you like 1/100th (if that) the amount of time it took you to learn the vocab you have. That's the only reason I usually tell people to start with grammar. It's really nothing by comparison but it's also kind of a confidence booster
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にほんにきてさいしょにたべたいのはつぎのうちどれ?

・うどん
・カレー
・しょた
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>>17735755
>しょた
食べるのために?
うん。「しょた」だよね。人間たちをたべたいよ。
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>>17735200
Made it to 300 words after about 5 hours of reading.

Experience: Mining made me pay more attention to individual words and the kanji used to write them, but as a result of dividing my attention I was less focused on the actual sentences and was noticeably worse at reading than usual. I also found reading considerably less fun this way.

I hope this is actually worth it and I notice an improvement.
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>>17735785
Uh huh, that's pretty much how it's been going for me. I'm trying to mostly ready throwaway manga and VNs that I'm only sorta kinda interested in for learning material. Either way, stuff can always be reread once we're better at the language. I'm sure it'll blow us away how quickly we can plow through an LN a few years from now.
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アーマクリープ
アーマヴィートー
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Anyone else had the problem with C10k's furigana spanning? I reckon it's going to get even more frustrating further down the line.
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>>17735890
>Core
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>>17735890
No reason to use anything besides Core 2k, hell you wont even finish Core 2k if you do it properly
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>>17735907
Don't intend to do more than 2k. But I had a 10k deck downloaded on my phone already, so there's that.
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>>17734625
Do any work at minimum wage for an hour and you'll be able to afford a volume. Work for a day, and you can get the whole series.
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それはそうと

えりあ3の3がぬけられない
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>>17734283
What I meant is even though you'll probably learn the language sooner than someone who works less hours a day, at the end of the day you'll probably have to put in much more hours overall because reviewing so many cards a day is terribly inneficient. Unless you spend your whole days actively remembering, but even then this is a really bad way of learning except if you're in a hurry for one reason or another.
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How do I make the stroke order show up on Jisho.org?
I just see a blank space where it should be underneath the label "Stroke order"
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>>17735959
Never had this issue. Reloading the page, deactivate any plugins that block stuff or use a different browser.
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>>17735959
try disabling any ad/script blockers
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>>17735959
Are you using "HTTPS Everywhere"? That breaks it. Disable the rule for cloudfront.net
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>>17736000
Not him, but I use https everywhere and the stroke order appears just fine.
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>>17735959
Do you use noscript?
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>>17736000
Not him, but thanks for that. I tried fucking with the rules in uMatrix and disabling uBlock Origin on Jisho in the past to no avail. It never occurred to me that HTTPS Everywhere could be the problem.
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So I've finished the kana. The cornucopia says to do the core deck, but that doesn't sound too fun for me, so I was thinking of doing RTK and reading stuff like >>17729521
Does that sound like a good idea?
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Hey, djt, how do I go about setting up 1-click import to Anki for vocab in VNs?
I use ITHVNR + TA to read, so I assume I would need to somehow set up copying from clipboard to an empty Firefox window, and use the information from the Rikaisama part of the guide to configure the rest.
Is there any easier way to mine?
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>>17736177
You can't read anything without first learning basic vocab and grammar. RTK is controversial, personally I think it's a waste of time but whatever floats your boat.
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>>17736177
I used RTK, and I would still recommend it, but you should really read the introduction of it first to understand what it's for (hint: It won't teach you japanese, if you expect it to, you will be disappointed)
Reading children's books won't do much either, because while you can read the Kana now, you don't know any words or grammar.
In the end, you'll have to study vocab somehow.
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>>17736187
> so I assume I would need to somehow set up copying from clipboard to an empty Firefox window, and use the information from the Rikaisama part of the guide to configure the rest.

Correct. There are two firefox addons that can do this:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/clipmon/?src=api
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/clipboard-inserter/?src=search

You should also start with Yomichan instead of Rikai*, because the latter will stop working with the next Firefox update, which is only a month away now.
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>>17736205
Gotcha, thanks.
Then the only thing I have to worry about is configuring Yomichan without a guide. Hopefully I'll manage.
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>>17736222
- Install Yomichan, download some dictionaries from the Yomichan homepage and load them: https://foosoft.net/projects/yomichan/#dictionaries
- Install the AnkiConnect plugin in Anki , so Yomichan can talk to Anki: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2055492159
- In the Yomichan settings, select your Anki deck and card type, then tell it which field in your deck gets which data form Yomichan: https://foosoft.net/projects/yomichan/#flashcard-configuration
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>>17736222
>Then the only thing I have to worry about is configuring Yomichan without a guide.
Everything is explained on the website:
https://foosoft.net/projects/yomichan/
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いいことおもいついた

あーはー
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>>17735915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ_p4nActyo
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>>17736296
Then you'll have to read novel scans instead of epubs
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>>17736292
日本の征服プランですか
やるよ
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No matter how much I read about it I struggle to understand the difference between か and が. Is this something that gets alleviated once I start actually reading?
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>>17736400

'Ga' has a dakuten.
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>>17736400

How are か and が at all similar??
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>>17736400
>>17736413
>>17736434
Sorry, I just woke up. What I meant to say was the は and が particle.
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>>17736442
https://8020japanese.com/wa-vs-ga/
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>>17736446
beat me to it
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>>17736442

が marks the subject, the thing doing the verb in the sentence. (note, a subject can be doing something as little as just 'being' or 'being cute' or 'being liked' or 'is cool')

は marks the topic of the sentence. Sometimes the topic is also the subject, sometimes it isn't. A lot of the time you can translate Xは as "as for X" in your head.
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>>17728063
Realistically, how long would it take me to get to N2 level, how daily hours would I have to dedicate?

I'm certain I could pass the N5 test. I know both Kanas, and the basic Kanji and Grammar.
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>>17736475
2 1/2 years, at 1 hour a day
Probably less, but I passed N2 with 172/180 at that point (the test is only held once per year hear, and 1 1/2 years definitely wasn't enough). I passed N1 the year after that.
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>>17736497
Awesome, thanks.
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>>17735925
No, it doesn't work like that. Don't talk about shit you don't understand. Anki is highly time efficient, period.
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>>17736497
>hear
here
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I'm reading fantasy LNs, and there are a bunch of towns/countries called [random Katakana]町 / 国
How are those names pronounced?
まち / くに or ちょう / こく
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>>17736633
国 is usually こく in my experience

But 町 can be both I think. Case in point, these two towns with the same name but one is pronounced ちょう and the other まち:

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%A9%98%E7%94%BA_(%E5%B1%B1%E5%8F%A3%E7%9C%8C)
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%A9%98%E7%94%BA_(%E7%A5%9E%E5%A5%88%E5%B7%9D%E7%9C%8C)
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>>17736446
This made it all extremely clear. Thank you.

>>17736468
I was familiar with this concept, but was having difficulty making the connection consistently.
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>>17736189
>>17736193
All right, then I'll read Tae Kim to learn the basic grammar and then I'll go read and start mining for vocabulary.
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>>17736633
machi pretty much always there
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So pretty much all the Manga on the sticky were taken down, is there another good place to read good raw manga scans?
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>>17736758
http://nyaa.si/
perfect dark
google (there are a million manga zip style blogs)
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>Learning hirigana being able to work out the little sounds on hentai
Feels good man. Weird how they have an onomatopoeia for the sound of a vulva opening. Even weirder that it sounds nothing like anything close to what it sounds like. What's up with that?
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>>17736798
>implying you know what it sounds like
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>>17736758
Largely only the Kirara manga was taken down. The person who did so reuploaded them here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jcn7Z4tbdRblEGnq6jzfW_sc-cOekTSs_N8z7mqb8Uc
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>>17736805
>getting hot and heavy with a girl
>heavy breathing, bit of laughing, the sound of skin on skin, various wet noises
>go down to lick her clit
>くぽ
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くぱぁ
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>>17736810
ah thanks anon
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I've been using Anki for quite some time but I just realised one thing: when I review stuff and immediately don't know the answer I either push 1 or 2 (depending whether I made a stupid mistake or were clueless). I hardly ever use "good" option.

Is it a right way to go in the long run? I wonder whether it breaks the memorisation patterns somehow.
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>>17736842
You should not press Again if you're capable of recognizing the card within a reasonable time frame. This fucks up the card's ease for no reason and wastes your time relapsing it when you could be studying other cards. "Immediate" is not a measure of time, it's a measure of how something subjectively feels.
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>>17736842
If you abuse the hard button, you'll end up with more reviews than necessary. That's good for increasing your stats, but a waste of time doing reviews you don't need yet.
"Good" should be the default answer, "hard" means "please show me this card more often in the future, or I'll forget it.
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>>17736853
I meant 'immediately' as in not looking up any hints, it can last a minute but I have to 'guess' it myself. If I don't know it immediately = I don't know it on the go and have to repeat seeing it until I get it right.
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>>17736860
If you can't figure it out at all before flipping you have to hit Again. If it takes a minute you can hit whatever you want, preferably Hard.
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>>17736868
Alright! So it seems like I've been reviewing according to your steps. Thanks for replies.
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>don't remember word
>hit good anyway
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Does anyone have an autohotkey macro for Anki?
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>tfw such shitty memorization ability that I forget new cards in a matter of seconds (even when having seen them ten times within a few minutes) and hit leech threshold on most cards
How do I make my brain better?
This shit makes me want to kill myself.
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>>17736868
Just to add my two cents to this: I don't think it's good to spend a whole minute on a single card. I think you should set a time limit of no more than 20 seconds, or you'll just inflate your Anki time for no reason.
>>17736950
Learning a new card doesn't count towards the leech threshold.
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>>17736950
It might be learning style. It took me ages to learn English properly as a kid until somebody tried teaching it differently
>Separate
>There's this dude called Sep and his wife is terrified of rats, she sees one in the kitchen and jumps up on a chair she screams "Sep! A Rat! EEEE!"
I've been doing similar things with Japanese and it has really been helping me out at least. They're obviously much more visual. Consider trying a different angle.
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>>17736968
Leech threshold was for the few cards that actually stuck.
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>>17736980
>>17736950
Try 'learning' kanji (RTK etc). Can help if it's due to shitty spacial memory.
If you choose RTK then at least get a deck with top two community stories.
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>>17737045
are there really people who don't start with RTK? I know how learning kanji without RTK looks like - you pick the simpliest looking kanji and disregard the more complex looking ones
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>>17737052
Supposedly some autistic savants ITT.
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>>17737052
>>17737045
There's other decks than RTK, you know.
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>>17737052
I got like 50 kanji into Wanikani and realized it was garbage. Then I looked at RTK and realized it was even worse. I bought KKLC and never used it because physical books (and scans) are annoying.
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>>17737065
>Then I looked at RTK and realized it was even worse.

What's your idea of a good Kanji learning approach then? What's wrong with RTK? I didn't have any attempts with it, it's just pefect the way it is.
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>>17737064
>RTK etc.
>etc.
I didn't know, thanks for informing me.
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>>17737071
It's nothing but a list of keywords for kanji. And its keywords are garbage. That's literally worthless. It doesn't even have mnemonics or stroke order for all kanji. I have no idea how it's so popular.
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>>17737052
I just brute force it all. My brain is not wired to work with RTK.
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>>17737074
>etc.
Yeah no. Wrong guy you quoted.
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>>17737071
It has a lot of infrequent or completely wrong readings.
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>>17737086
That's RTK2, which """nobody uses""".
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>>17737083
Please try going up the comment chain.
>>17737088
>>17737086
Sorry, meant meanings.
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When I used RTK I looked up every Kanji to make sure the keyword makes sense. That should be common sense.
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>>17737086
RTK has no readings, see >>17737088

>>17737078
>It's nothing but a list of keywords for kanji
yes, so? you want to learn keywords, writing and readings all at once?

>And its keywords are garbage.
Except they are not. They just don't serve you well like they do me. The keywords are very well thought-out so you don't confuse them and their corresponding kanji.
>or stroke order for all kanji
it literally has, it just doesn't show every step for primitives in later kanji because you've already should've learnt them as they appeared on their own
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>>17737093
Still stands.
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>>17737102
What still stands?
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>>17737101
Your arguments about RTK itself being usable are entirely valid, but it's still directly worse than just about every other kanji resource.
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>>17737114
please name 3 kanji sources that are better
it's not a dare, I just want to check them and use them if they are superior to RTK
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>>17737097
common sense says a textbooks won't have scores of outright mistakes
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>>17737101
>Except they are not. They just don't serve you well like they do me. The keywords are very well thought-out so you don't confuse them and their corresponding kanji.
I love RTK and there's nothing better than the community stories, but his keywords are retarded in many cases. My biggest gripe is when he mixes up two kanji (e.g. city vs village or whatever, I don't remember his exact keywords, ended up just memorising the kunyomi)
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>>17737123
I reviewed every kanji resource in the CoR once, but that was during foolz being the archive, so good luck finding it. You could seriously just choose five of the kanji workbooks in the CoR though and three of them will be better than RTK.
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>>17737123
It would be enough if just one was better.
Anyway I ended up settling for this as other resources have worse stories than RTK.
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why use RTK or KKLC at all? Making it slightly easier to recog kanji are a far cry from words, which are still again removed from sentences and total comprehension using context.
I never bothered with either and my memory is nothing special.
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>>17737210
KKLC is constructed in a way that tries to trick users into learning words.
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I'm glad kanji through vocab is working great for me.
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>>17737247
keep telling yourself that until you believe it
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>>17737263
Don't be so bitter, with how many autists there are on 4chins it's reasonable to assume some of them are autistic savants.
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>Kanji for circle
>Its not a circle
why
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>>17737218
I see, well thats something. The faster they realize kanji are not words the better though.
I did see some stats of mine compared with users that claimed to have started with RTK, and my relearn was certainly higher. I suppose there is a reason its stuck around this long, but it should be succeeded by better materials like KKLC
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Learning keywords for kanji sounds fucking retarded. I could just make one up (I won't because I'm not stupid) when I see the kanji in a word, but what's the point? Sounds like the most useless knowledge ever.
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>>17737329
1) identifying kanji
2) giving it meaning
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>>17737320
It's pretty much impossible to use KKLC without realizing that.
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>>17737331
But in reality, you'll only really know a "kanji's meaning" when you've seen different words using it. Your reductive keyword will not apply to every vocab item, and then it doesn't really help anymore, unless you construct some crazy story fitting them all together (which doesn't sound efficient to me).
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>>17737348
>The usual grapheme form will suggest go or act
>待つ
I guess you could say you're letting the time go, but this is getting funny.
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>>17737286
cuz youre a blockhead
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>>17737093
>Sorry, meant meanings.
That just means you didn't understand what RTK is trying to do.
It doesn't teach meanings, it gives each kanji a unique name. That name might be one of the meanings of that kanji (not necessarily the most common one), or it could be something completely different, but useful for remembering that specific character.
You use those names to have something to call that kanji when you actually learn words.
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>>17737368
>From road 彳 and phonetic 寺[From hand 寸 (measure) and to go forward 之㞢𡳿]. Original meaning to wait for.
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>>17737402
Doesn't really matter whether you're conceptualizing the kanji based on its actual history or etymology, as long as you remember it, in my opinion. But thanks for clearing it up sempai.
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>>17736950
Have you tried modifying the step for new cards? The default 1 10 is shit. Use something like 1 1 5 10 30 60 or whatever.
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>>17737428
All extra steps do is make it harder for anki to see new and lapsed cards as graduated. It's a placebo that only affects your stats. You would get the same effect by ignoring cards that are on their first interval after graduation when calculating retention.
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Learn kana
Learn basic grammar
Start reading and mining words

Is that the basic process you should follow if you want to learn moonrunes while avoiding RTK and core2k?
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Why does the small tsu exist? When I write tsuta I get つた, but when I write tta I get った.
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>>17737509
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemination#Japanese
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>>17737514
No, I know what gemination is, but why does the small tsu exist? It was not mentioned in Remembering the Kanji as far as I know. It always used the normal つ and ツ whether it was used for gemination or not.
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>>17737530
つ exists to produce the sound つ
っ exists to indicate gemination (in the middle of a word) or a glottal stop

The only exceptions i know of are furigana, where all small characters (っょゃゅ) are the same size as other characters, probably because they wouldn't be readable if you made them even smaller.
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>>17737553
Not All Furigana
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>>17737557
right, but it does happen there, especially in printed books/manga
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>>17737354
It's for people with worse spatial memory. Easy for me to remember that say + discern is 'discriminating' and then learn vocab using keywords as the basis, nearly impossible to remember that those 32 lines is 'awareness'.
Yeah, I would probably bruteforce it if I dedicated enough effort, but why waste time.
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>>17737566
From my experience having furigana where the small kana are normal-sized is actually not the majority. Not even yotsubato does it.
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If the furigana were the same size as the other kana it would fuck up the reading too, for that matter.
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>>17737393
Either go full retard and name 心 'rotfl' or use 'heart' and have an easy time memorising こころ. Gee I wonder which approach is better.
Why not use meaningful keywords to make learning vocab easier is beyond me.
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>>17737643
Not really, you wrote keywords don't matter while the essence of my argument is that they can make learning vocab easier.
The example was exaggerated to show the absurdity of your claim.
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>>17737661
>The example was exaggerated to show the absurdity of your claim.
You refuted an argument I didn't make.
RTK does in fact use "heart" as a name for 心 because that just makes sense.
But he also does things like calling 莫 "graveyeard", not because that kanji has anything to do with graveyards, but because it makes remembering all other kanji that use that character as a part (including 墓) easier.
Now what's the correct meaning for 莫? If you look it up in Jisho, you get "must not, do not, be not", because it can be used to write 莫れ. But that word is basically never written that way, because you usually write it in Kana, and if you don't, you probably use 勿れinstead.
And the only common word using it is 莫大, so shouldn't the meaning be "vast" instead?


>>17737680
you forgot the smug anime face
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So I just added over 300 mined cards while assigning the wrong frield. Anyway to swap the reading and meaning fields or should I just delete these cards and correctly re-import the cards?
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>>17737696
Export notes to text, move columns in a spreadsheet program (libreoffice calc, excel), export back to text, import using Kanji as the duplicate detection field, overwrite notes with the same Kanji.
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>>17737696
>reading
Why don't you use furigana?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crNvnR1lKtc
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>>17737688
I mean more obviously retarded shit like naming 町 'village' and 村 'town'.
Does it make it easier to learn compounds later?
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>>17737696
You could just switch the names of the fields.
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>>17737696
>>17737700
It'd probably be easier to do it with Perl.
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>>17737731
>easier than 1 minute
OK
Not that it matters unless he fucks it up often.
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>>17737742
Assuming that actually takes only one minute, which I suspect it does not.
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>>17737751
depends how hard you find to follow his simple guide and/or use GUIs it could very well take half an hour to find guides for this
if you can't even google and are terminally retarded it could very well take eternity1
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>>17737721
That was fixed in later versions of the book
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>>17737784
Well there's no deck that has fixes and top community stories, so you have to live with that.
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>>17737795
or you could just change the deck?
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>>17737700
I think I fucked up and every card got overwritten with the content from the first card lol

>>17737717
I usually mine by just writing [Kanji] + [Meaning] + [Reading] line by line in notepad and then mass import into anki at the end of the day
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I made this image 4 years ago to try and stop people from using RTK, but it seems people are still retarded as fuck. Can't believe I was able to still find it somewhere.
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>>17737802
Why should I bother, I just remember it.
The problem is that I don't know how many mistakes I'm missing but I don't want to check every card.`
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>>17737817
Anki keeps backups in your profile folder
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>>17737822
drop anki and do a vocab deck instead, ez fix
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>>17737819
>it works for me so it's best
You have 1) backwards, knowing the stroke order helps with understanding the squiggles 2) is retarded as I'm still reading 4 hours a day and it's not like those 20 minutes in the bath would be spent on reading anyway (lookup on the phone is too annoying) and 3) depends on how good you verbal and spatial memory is.
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>>17737853
drop rtk*
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>>17737862
see
>>17737861
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>>17737473
Yep. I would add a hundred or so radicals just to help with processing the details in kanji, but that's not essential so long as you pay attention.
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>>17737861
1) is not backwards, many people come out of RTK only being able to understand a kanji by going through the radicals one by one and thinking back their stories, people who learn through vocab recognize the kanji as a whole, which eventually will happen with rtkfags too, which makes me wonder whats the point of going radical by radical to begin with

2) if you're reading while doing rtk you're running into kanji that you haven't learn yet from rtk, so either you just skip them or learn them right there, in which case what's the point of doing rtk to begin with if you can just learn them while reading
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>>17737861
Lookup on the phone is at least as easy as anywhere else. There are some very nice ereaders available now where you can just tap on the word to get a definition.
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>>17737819
Those are the steps I've been taking after reading posts in here. Kanji through vocab (core2k) has been incredibly good to me.
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>>17737830
I fixed it now thanks!
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If I don’t learn the kanji with all its reading, how do I know how to read it?
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>>17737876
>is not backwards, many people come out of RTK only being able to understand a kanji by going through the radicals one by one and thinking back their stories
Many bruteforcefags find it hard to read even a different font, I should know I used to be one.
>which makes me wonder whats the point of going radical by radical to begin with
If you have shit spatial memory it's just faster to do it this way
>so either you just skip them or learn them right there
I look it up but forget instantly, if one lookup is enough for you to remember then I guess you got fluent in three months, but aren't able to understand how it works for others and shouldn't be giving advice to normal people as you personal experience won't apply
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>>17737919
>Many bruteforcefags find it hard to read even a different font
No they don't.

>I should know I used to be one.
>If you have shit spatial memory it's just faster to do it this way
It's not faster because it's RTK, it's faster because you've been exposed to Japanese for longer. You fucking moron.
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>>17737895
Show me yomichan for mobile.
Even with dictionary lookup highlighting is more clumsy, dictionary loads slower, there's no shortcuts, etc.
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>>17737931
There's rikaichan on firefox mobile. No edict as far as I know, but it works.
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>>17737918
By learning the words using that kanji
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>>17737930
>No they don't.
Just as good as your circumstantial evidence,.
>It's not faster because it's RTK, it's faster because you've been exposed to Japanese for longer. You fucking moron.
No, it's easier to learn words I haven't been exposed to before. If you mean you just magically start to learn easier then I can tell you that the all the words I randomly memorise during reading are all made of kanji known to me. Keep thinking everybody is the same though if you really have to.
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はみがきこなくなった
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>>17737957
You're relearning things that are already in your head. You did not start with RTK. You are not an example of RTK working. Stop posting.
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>>17737939
I keep telling you that even highlighting the word is bothersome.
Anyway rikai is dead in one month.
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>>17737964
I only learned a few hundred kanji by bruteforce (at huge effort), I was messing up the whole time and unable to pick up any new words during reading.
Now anki is a breeze and I constantly pick new words (obviously not only words with kanji I am more familiar with, also words only with kanji that I just learned with RTK).
You are mistaken if you think that what worked best for you will work best for everybody.
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>>17736633
If it's anything like how the names of Japanese towns are read, then ちょう.

e.g.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/小山町
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>>17737988
I don't care how little you think you learned before switching to RTK. You're relearning things that are already in your head. You did not start with RTK. You are not an example of RTK working. Stop posting.
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>>17737991
but the japanese can't agree on that either, see >>17736652
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>>17737992
>things that are already in your head
>words I have never seen before solely with kanji I have only seen in RTK
OK bud, you know what's best for everyone, I get it.
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>>17737998
国は國とかくこともあるから

ややこしいごめんね
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>>17737998
Oh, you're right. The few towns I'd seen the names of were all ちょう, so I assumed that was the rule.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/町

>「町」の読みは一般には「まち」だが、複合語や、個別の町については「ちょう」と読むものも多い
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>>17737988
>i was brute forcing kanji
>he thinks this is what we were talking about to not use RTK
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>>17738039
はたけの大きさの単位にもつかうよ

1町は1㌶のことだよ
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Flyable Hearts is stupid easy. Are most VNs this simple? I read manga too and that shit, despite being written for teenagers, is much more difficult. I think the NHK easy news app (literally written for JSL students to be able to understand) is easier than this.
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>>17738132
yes it's one of the easiest things ever written, you can stop patting yourself on the back now for not having trouble with it
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>>17738132
the NHK app is harder to understand than Flyable Hearts, is what I meant to say.
Peace, djt
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>>17737931
Instead of yomichan you use Typhoon or Jade reader or whatever else takes your fancy. In those if you have a half decent phone you can just tap on a word and get a definition in under a second.
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>>17738140
I explicitly stated that I struggle with material written for children and JSL students. Fuck off.
Also, I was asking if most VNs are of comparable difficulty so thanks for nothing.
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>>17738054
core deck
tried mining too
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>>17738153
you're just making an excuse to blog post
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>>17738132
is suzu her name?
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>>17738142
That's not surprising, since VNs (or stories in general) tend to have a vocabulary specific to them, while news articles each talk about different stuff.
>>17738153
It's no use askinga bout difficulty, except if you're trying to derail the thread. The best answer is always to try other stuff yourself and determine whether it's hard FOR YOU
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>>17738142
Flyable Heart is anomalously simple. http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats
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>>17738132
There is a reason that Flyable Heart is recommended as a good beginner VN. There are others that are that simple, but most probably aren't.

It didn't feel that simple when I read it though. I had a hard time understanding the guys because their dialogue was always more complex than the girls.
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>>17738132
Depends on the VN, like all things.
Some of the more advanced or niche things are harder to read.
I haven't read it, but i imagine something like stein's gate with all its bullshit pseudo science lingo is probably a lot harder to read.
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>>17738161
no

This is both the answer to your question, and the part of her name you're missing
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>>17738242
nosuzu?
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>>17738242
I didn't even see the particle while reading it. Its getting late for me here I guess. Thanks!
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>>17738132
I feel like I can understand NHKNewsEasy but I'm not sure about that screenshot.
I feel like the second half of the sentence is what caused the first half of the sentence... but why would it be written like that and not flipped?
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>>17736300
But I can't easily use a dictionary with novel scans
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>>17738303
There's no cause there. Read genre fiction more.
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>>17738305
Kanjitomo
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>>17738305
It's fucking 5USD for a LN.
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>>17738307
>ぱっと頬を赤く染めて、すずのは一瞬俺のほうを見た
...so is the narrator blushing too? I still don't get it ;_;
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>>17738334
ぱっと頬を赤く染めて(、すずのは)
and
すずのは一瞬俺のほうを見た
are both true statements
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>tfw Finland has been IP range banned for the past 48 hours
Can't even tell people to watch anime with this shit going on
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>>17738340
Thank you, that helps.
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>>17738343

Why?
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>>17738372
I assume it's some autist spamming with Finnish IPs
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>>17738328
>>17738312
>>17738305
Or just use a fucking pdf to epub converter
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>>17738419
a lot of things isn't available in all the formats
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I think instead of adding new core cards, I'm just gonna keep reviewing the ones I have and add extra new cards for my mining deck every day instead.
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>>17738372
Probably something along the lines of pic related.
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>>17728063
>復讐よっか。。。
>それから先の方がもっと大切じゃないかなーって思う。。。
What does that よっか mean?
What I got from these lines from Berserk is:
>I think what comes after revenge is more important than revenge itself.

another one from Berserk:
>貴様を打ち破れる者などそうはおるまい
What does the そうはおるまい part mean there?
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i don't get how people claim "you might not even finish c2k" when i just hit 1000 words and can't basically read any real text i see
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>>17738733
some people just *REALLY* don't like anki
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>>17738733
You just have to use a dictionary. Everything else is not because of vocab, and no deck will help with that.
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>>17738733
Language is more than just words. You could do all of CorePLUS and you would still suck at Japanese if you'd never actually tried reading it.

Reading/listening and mining is a much better use of your time than spending months doing outdated vocabulary decks in the delusional hope that somehow you can cheat your way to fluency with them.
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>>17738733
because you realize its worth all of jack fuck and you learn shit thats relevant to you instead for the rest of your time
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>>17738778
>>17738744
how am i supposed to remember words just from finding them from a dictionary? i'm a brainlet and just keeping up with 20 words a day anki is a huge struggle
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>>17738798
let alone 20 words per sentence
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>>17738798
Have you even read the guide?

If you're worried about forgetting words, you can start your own Anki deck and add the words you come across to it (mining).
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>>17738798
i suggest adopting an all japanese all the time lifestyle which means fortunately and serendipitously for you must vacate this thread
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>>17738798
It just happens.
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>>17738733

I knew around 1000 before I ever used anki.
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>>17738813
i've tried making changes like that but i'm not on a level where i can read what my skills do in vidya games.

i tried reading hanahira the other day but i'm just going to wait a thousand words more
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>>17738861
>wait a thousand words more
I'm 7k deep and the feeling of not knowing enough words still hasn't gone away. If you want to read, you need to start now.
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>>17738861
dont worry i got you covered https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AKDApA7lN4
youll have to look up words im sure but once you do there should be no confusion about anything and everything contained within is so common youre going to see it stuff you learn a lot!
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Is there any way to type the furigana in anki?
Given a word formatted like this 学[がく]生[せい], I want to type the furigana and have anki tell me if I fucked up or not.
type:furigana:Word doesn't work.
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>>17738638
Plus respond.
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>>17738868
2k words really isn't an unreasonable expectation to learn before reading. I know you need to actually read to get the language, I don't think i'll magically become fluent by doing core 10k or something. I just don't think you can read with less than a 1000 words (970 to be exact)

I listen to Japanese podcasts (that i don't understand) while doing uni work every day to train my ears for Japanese
at any rate, i'll hit 2k by December, you're free to REE at me if i don't start reading then

>>17738895
why does this exist?
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>>17738922
>I just don't think you can read with less than a 1000 words (970 to be exact)
I'll have you know that this is exactly what I did. In fact, by the time I knew 1000 words from flashcards, I knew more than 1000 other words from reading. Reading is more efficient for learning vocabulary than flashcards, even if you have no idea what you're reading.
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>>17738922
>I listen to Japanese podcasts (that i don't understand)
Why not listen to ones that you do understand? I started w/ JPod101 Beginner lessons and worked my way up to advanced (100% japanese) and it felt like a natural progression. AJATT is a meme. Just don't get stuck listening to the early beginner material w/ English for too long.
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>>17738922
>970 to be exact
Why 970?
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>>17738918
そういう人がいないはずです

I think.
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>>17738435
What are you talking about?
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>>17738940
i basically downloaded the first comedy and political podcasts i found on itunes (i don't know where else to get podcasts i never listened to them before) and they sound like they are fun
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>>17738931
>Reading is more efficient for learning vocabulary than flashcards
This. It's so much easier to learn words when you actually see them used in context. They become much more meaningful in your mind that way.

When your only exposure to a word is through a flashcard, it's little more than a random sound as far as your brain is concerned, and it takes a lot of seeing that flashcard over and over again for your brain to decide that it's actually worth trying to remember long-term. At least, that's my experience.
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>>17738971
>>17738931
You still need some base, because having to look up every word is far more time consuming than just memorizing them normally.
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>>17738946
He probably fell for one of those "if you know [arbitrary number of words] in [insert language here], you can understand 99% of what you read" memes.
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>>17738983
If you're reading something where the text is available (web page, HTML/TXT formatted LN/book, text-hooked VN, etc.), looking up a word is as simple as mousing over it with Yomichan. It takes no time at all.
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>>17738971
>it's little more than a random sound
Sentence cards.
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>>17738868
>>17738861

Reminder that most people in these threads are still beginners that you're getting advice from.

Like everyone who recommends RTK is either doing RTK currently or just recently finished.

90% of this thread is thinking about how fluent they'll be in a year from now.

Only a few people actually know how long it really takes, and how boring it becomes.

Most people settle for intermediate and never become truly fluent. They can never 100% understand anything, they just guess at the stuff they don't know and skim over it.

Most people here confuse early progress with progress they'll make later on, thinking it's linear and not exponential.

Most people think their early motivation will stay the same years in, even to do basic things like watching anime.
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>>17738999
That's still more time consuming, and more importantly it gives you a huge crutch to stop you from memorizing things.
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>>17738983
Of course. You need to know the most common couple hundred verbs and adjectives/nouns. But it only takes like a week to learn those through exposure.

>>17739002
Literally the worst way to memorize something.
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>>17738955
read comment chain before responding to me again
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>>17739006
That "crutch" is probably one of the easiest ways to expose yourself to material that would otherwise be above your literacy level, which is incredibly good for your ability to recognize the words that you *aren't* looking up.
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>>17739002
Are a pain in the ass to make, and if you copy a grammatically incorrect sentence (digitizing error, typo, something written by a foreigner pretending to be Japanese, etc.) then you're making your brain memorize broken Japanese.
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>>17739024
Add "unnaturally worded textbook example sentences" to that list.
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>>17739017
The problem is with "most" people is that when you have a way out of having to recall things, which is as simple as mousing over, you turn to that quicker than bringing it up from memory which slows the rate of progression.
Its a good thing to have if you use it sparingly, but when you're learning from absolute 0 it'll probably get used far too much.
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>>17738987
ok those memes are actually very real, if you look at a japanese sentence something like 20 of words such as pronouns 私、僕、, common verbsする, 来る make up 60% of sentences and the rest is nouns and adjectives you just need to find and fill in in when you already understand what the sentence is about
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>>17739031
To avoid that problem I use a program that colors the words I tell it I already know so that I don't look them up.
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>>17739031
>but when you're learning from absolute 0 it'll probably get used far too much.
There is literally no such thing as using crutches too much if you're an absolute beginner. Comprehension leads to acquisition. The goal is comprehension, not memorization.
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>>17739007
>Literally the worst way to memorize something.
ぜんぜん違うですよ
>>17739005
>>>17738868 (You)
That's funny because I'm actually an ankidrone who really doesn't read and my post was just repeating shit advice I see here as to fit in ;)
>>17739024
Nah, the sentences are just memorization aids and are only a drop of water in the ocean of your Japanese exposure. The true learning of words comes from exposure to native Japanese material that you are consuming.
It might sound like I'm contradicting myself, but I listen to a lot instead of reading.
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>>17739048
>ぜんぜん違うですよ
ぜんぜん違うんですよ*
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>>17739034
"the rest" is the difference between you understanding the sentence and not understanding it.

If you don't know what 卒業 means, then all you get from 「私が卒業した。」 is "I did... something".
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>People throwing shit at each other over learning methods
You guys know that it's all subjective as fuck right?
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Is Jisho completely offline for anyone else?

http://jisho.org/
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>>17739052
Not him, but I have a very clear rule for comprehension. If you can't tell what something is saying based on the three most important words in it, you need to use a dictionary. If you don't know the readings/meanings of the three most important words, the story is beyond your comprehension level and you should read something simpler (unless it's REALLY engaging).
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>>17739060
Works here.
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>>17739064
huh, fuck.

When I try to access it, I get a message from my ISP saying the site can't be found.
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>>17739031
I learned English by abusing Kindle Paperwhite's dictionary (click a word to instantaneously get the translation).
Your turn, armchair sage.
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>>17739070
Change your DNS to Google's. Don't worry about privacy, there's too much DNS traffic for them to log anything meaningful.
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>>17739073
That's why you suck at English.
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>>17739070

They're trying to do you a service by making you stop using jisho. Use weblio or something instead if you can't work with J-J dictionaries yet.
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>>17739074
The only reason Google would run a DNS is if it meant they could log something meaningful. They're a business, not a charity. They don't do things if there's nothing in it for them.
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>>17739083
I'm sure your Nip is better.
Anyway I have fool comprehension and that's all that matters. If you wanna socialize with island monkeys try >>>/int/
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>>17739093
Using metric data isn't the same as logging.
Google more likely just uses simple formulas to say
>people go here from there at this time
and track population trends, this doesn't require them to actually save the data about who goes where for everything.
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>>17739093
They run their own DNS because they don't want their programs to break when ISP DNS servers break.
https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/2eeb0i/is_there_any_reason_i_shouldnt_use_googles_open/
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>want to watch TV show raw/with Jap subtitles
>also just want to sit back and enjoy it without missing important stuff/pausing the episode frequently
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>>17739050
ありがとう、先輩
>>17739111
step 1: watch it raw (no subs)
step 2: watch it raw (jap subs)
step 3 (if you still want to): watch it w/ subs in your desired language
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>>17739111
>watch raw anime
>understand 90% of what's going on and what they're "saying"
>absolutely no idea what any of it actually means
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>>17739121
Congratulations, you're doing everything necessary to learn Japanese.
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>>17739101
>fool
High time I hit the sack I guess.
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>>17739124
But I want to be able to read light novels.
Its easy as fuck to understand that she wants the other cute girl to lick the cream off her face then play with her bean when its in anime format.
Its far harder to do that without the visual context.
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>>17739005
It'll never get boring if you love readings novels or watching movies in general and aren't just having an otaku phase.
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>>17739111
I rewatch SoL anime that I already saw before I started learning Japanese. I give 0 fucks about not understanding the dialogue (I don't even bother with using Japanese subs) and just enjoy the cosy atmosphere of cute girls doing cute things.
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>>17739119
Yeah but then it takes forever to watch the show.
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>>17738909
{{furigana:Word}} in the card format instead of {{Word}} and then 学生[がくせい} in the field itself (or 学[がく]生[せい] if you'd prefer)
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>>17739182

I started watching raw because the subs for K-On S2E18 were delayed and I found it was watchable without.
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>>17739189
The problem is typing it, not displaying it. It gets displayed just fine. I want to be able to manually type like this guy does:
https://youtu.be/5tYObQ3ocrw?t=197
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>>17739198
Oh, sorry, I misunderstood your question. I've never worked with that before, so I'm not sure.
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白痴 = white foolishness
White pig is dumb confirmed
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>>17739111
it will be hard at first, but try to just bear it
you're building your ear up for the maximum comfy mode of just watching whatever you like
At least, I hope its like that for natives
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>>17736000
Thanks pal.
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I still can't read long sentences with 8 or 9 commas. Why do LNs have to be written so dang conversationally?
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How to learn kanji without putting in any effort?
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>>17739055
No, only your perception of it can be subjective. The results are obvious to anyone, and although causes and effects can sometimes be hard to isolate they clearly have some meaning.
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>>17735322
>Also, I had the idea to start looking up every word I mine in a J-J dictionary (I've opted for Daijirin) and subsequently mine any unknown words present in the definitions. Hopefully this way I'll be able to switch over to J-J dictionaries before too long. I tried looking up some words in Daijirin earlier and there were just too many unknown words in the definitions for me to make use of it for the time being.
6/300 words in and I've already mined 29 words.
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>>17739258
Have superhuman memory
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so those people, you know the ones, who claim they do 150 new words in anki per day, they're completely full of shit right? no one can have memory that great
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>>17739270
8 words in and I'm now at 51.

Okay, I think this is a bad idea, at least for now. I'll wait until my vocabulary has grown a bit more before attempting this again.
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>>17739306
Its easy to do 150 words a day if you're just memorizing them short term. It might not even be intentional.
I usually go through 100+ a day but I only remember about 50 of them when I get back around to them and just a general idea of the rest.
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>>17728063
has anyone been be able to successfully pirate the book 80/20 Japanese?
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>>17739306
You can do 150 words a day, even 250.
Doesn't mean you'll remember them long term, or even short term.

Do whatever you're capable of and try to improve each day.
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>>17739306
They do it for a week or two, brag here, burn out the next week and then kill themselves. It's not your memory but the tedium of doing 1000+ reviews that limits you.
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>>17739320
The guide is superior and free.
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>>17739341
just dont forget you get what you pay for
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>>17739410
What degree are you going for?
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>>17739420
electrical engineering
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>>17739410
You don't move to Japan. It sucks there and you will be treated worse than Mexicans in Texas. You won't even make it to second grade citizen and companies will make sure to take as much advantage out of you as possible since you basically have no rights. Learn jap only for the 2D and perhaps content creation, but any more than that just means unwarranted pain and suffering.
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Anyone know how to make the cards Yomichan creates less ugly/how Rikaisama makes them?
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>>17739431
Leave the Japanese studying for later, try to get a job at Rakuten. They will probably accept you and you won't need too much Japanese.
>>17739433
This guy is memeing.
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>>17739410
>>17739431
If you really want to you'll make time for it.
I know double majors taking EE with CS who still had time to pick up Chinese.
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>>17739410
You could have avoided this by getting into a Japanese uni
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>>17739410
I just do anki right before classes and read for 30min to an hour before I sleep every night.
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>>17739444
>memeing
have you already forgotten poor davido-kun?
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>>17739444
I'm really not. I have a few college friends who took the plunge and went to work in Japan (IT) and one fucked off around six months after, the other one is a massive weeaboo fine with living in specially designated neighborhoods for 外人, being treated like shit by his boss and making few friends, and footing the bill on drinks every time despite earning way less than his colleagues. It's partly due to his awfully submissive personality, but if you go there you'll realize that even by trying your hardest into assimilating to the culture there will always be a frankly unpleasant divide. And you really miss on a lot of social benefits and even certain rights as an immigrant.
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日本語の森のユキ先生はいいけどやっぱりタケパンの方は最高
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i mean if youre a weeb youre gonna get treated like shit in your home country also because youre a weeb

if you think about it the weebs who go to japan and demand equal treatment are pretty much like a lot trans people who do the same when they parade around in public like the eyesores they are

get over it if youre not a puss bag loser irl youll be fine in japan because youre probably going there with a plan other than "im finally joining my people and going to where i belonged all this time" lmao
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>>17739463
It's really funny because everytime I see a story about a foreigner failing to "assimilate" into Japanese culture it can all be explained by the fact that they don't know Japanese. So let me ask you directly, did your friends know Japanese?
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>>17739475
Fuck off
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>>17739462
davido-kun wasn't a normal well-adjusted person.

>>17739453
that defeats the point because you need to be at least N1 level to get accepted as a degree student

>>17739449
i'm doing it, i hope everything will be 大丈夫 once the weeder courses are done with

>>17739475
only one person knows i'm a weeaboo and he's also a weeaboo

even my parents don't know i like anime, and i lived with them while watching anime for 5 years (3 in high school 2 as NEET)

>>17739477
this is what i was going to ask
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>>17739477
They learned basic vocab while doing their graduation thesis. They weren't perfect back then, but they could communicate somewhat smoothly. Especially the one that stayed.

Besides, there are a lot of things wrong in the country beyond just social issues. The stagnated, even regressive economy, high taxes and high living expenses coupled with the already famous working conditions really don't make for a nice country to live in.
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>>17739488
So what you're essentially saying is they didn't know japanese?
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>>17739497
Unless you consider smoothly reading Muramasa without any problems "knowing japanese", and take any skills for daily communication and basic reading on the same level as complete illiteracy, then no, they did know Japanese and could speak their minds and form friendships without many issues.

Are you so desperate as to validate a country (and your possible life choices) and ignore its flaws you'll grasp for any straws?
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Honestly it seems like the people who are disappointed with Japan are the ones who have way too high expectations for the country.
And of course don't know Japanese.
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>>17739488
Ryan Boundless also claimed he knew Japanese. Turns out his Japanese is elementary school level shit. Not trying to be conceited here, but how do you expect to be treated like an equal in an foreign country if you're not a citizen, haven't lived there for even a year and don't even know how to speak their language properly? Also, unless you're a 1st world European, you really have no right to complain about Japan's economy. It's actually doing pretty good compared to a few decades ago. And those "famous work conditions" you talk about refer exactly to what? Because last time I checked Japan has one of the best working conditions in the world, regardless of work hours.
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>go from 20 words to 30 words per day
>retention drops to 60% and reviews skyrocket from 118 to 210 in 3 days
>suddenly (today) with 210 reviews 81% retention

what the fuck happened overnight?
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>>17739527
The leeches went away.
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the worst thing about gaijins that cry discrimination is that they dont even realize the weird distance they put themselves at with folks they arent familiar with while they also do it as awkwardly (for the other party) as possible

to put it another way gaijin mannerisms are just as bad as their accents
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>>17739463
>IT
>Being treated like shit
you mean like everywhere in the world?

also
>new guy
>weaboo
>awkward
Japan isn't a paradise, but your friend probably had it coming.
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>>17739528
they didn't, none of the leeches got dropped and my retention with 20 words was 70-73% for over a month straight
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>>17738132
I just want to point out that I made one real post, one correction, and one response to an asshole and was offered an uninviting atmosphere.
You fuckers then proceeded to have a long ass conversation spoonfeeding information readily available in the djt guide to someone who is either a casual who won't learn Japanese or a successful troll.

And you wonder why /a/ wanted you out.
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>>17739536
I said they went away, not they got dropped.
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Trying to figure out when to use へ vs に when talking about going somewhere. Is it correct that へ is typically used for present and future tense.
東京へ行きます。
And に is used for past.
京都に行きました。

Can I also use も when switching tenses?
東京へ行きます。京都もにいきました。
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>>17739540
Tense in Japanese doesn't work anything like you think it does. Read more.
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>>17739540
ni is basically saying you're going to a destination, he is closer to saying you're going on a trip to destination.
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>>17739537
rolling my eyes at this post irl
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>>17739540
へ = towards
に = in/to

Literally basic Tyler Kim. Step it up, DJT.
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>>17739561
To be fair, へ is really weird in its usage, especially when converting to english
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>>17739537
What about those of ``us fuckers'' who didn't bother replying to either post? Also, the report button exists.
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>>17739578
im surprised i get to use this cover again this week
anyway heres a nice lil diagram to get your synapses firin and shit
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>>17739599
This album sucks but nice image.
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>>17739599
but that's wrong.
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>>17739600
やんのか
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>>17739608
掛かってくるが良い
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>>17739601
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>>17739441 again
Okay, I had a little play around despite having no idea what I was doing, but after some trial and error I managed to figure out how to make the single definitions appear as a list like the multi-definitions do.

See pic related for a sample. Default for comparison: >>17733526

If you want to replicate this, all you have to do is replace this line:
{{~#multiLine}}{{glossary.[0]}}{{/multiLine~}}

with this one:
<ul><li>{{~#multiLine}}{{glossary.[0]}}{{/multiLine~}}</li></ul>


It looks way more consistent this way, and imo is a big improvement visually. I would like to make the space between the numbered items bigger as well, but I have no idea how to do it.
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>>17739647

This is not a good card; much superfluous information.
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>>17739652
I know, but the only other option is to use {{glossary-brief}} instead of {{glossary}} when making the card which strips out everything but the J-E definitions, including information about whether the word is a verb, adjective, noun, etc.

See: >>17733560


It sucks, but this seems to be the best of two bad options. If I could make the space between the numbered items bigger, it wouldn't be as visually cluttered and all that superfluous information wouldn't be as much of a problem, but I can't figure out how to do it.
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probably a stupid question but can auxiliary adjectives be made into adverbs?
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>んなもん
そんなもん?
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>>17739631
Its an incorrect model of へ vs に, at least in reference to locations.
both have an end destination of the same place, its about how you're referencing the destination.
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>>17739675
Dunno, probably not. Give me an example
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>>17739681
youre just looking at it in a way that makes it wrong
~lifes about the journey not the destination~
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>>17739698
oh, I'm assuming I'm missing a reference to a popular album then. my bad.
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>>17739647
>>17739667
Ah, I figured it out. You have to do it in the card styling.

Add this to the "Styling" box:
li:first-child {
margin-top: 10px;
}

li:last-child {
margin-bottom: 20px;
}


Adjust the values to whatever you think looks nice. The "first-child" bit controls the spacing above the top-most bullet point item, and the "last-child" bit controls the space below the final bullet point item.

It still doesn't look great even like this, but I think it's a definite improvement on the default.
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>>17739684
Like in the case of 使いにくい / 使いやすい.

I wanted to used it with なる to say that something has become hard/easy to use. They're considered い-adjectives apparently but I don't know if you can make it into an adverb like you can with typical adjectives.
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>>17739709
Yeah, you can. Although this time you used to type out this reply could have been used to just google "使いにくく" or "使いやすく"
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>>17739709
Yeah, you can say 使いやすくなる.
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>>17739709

https://ejje.weblio.jp/sentence/content/%22%E4%BD%BF%E3%81%84%E3%82%84%E3%81%99%E3%81%8F%E3%81%AA%E3%82%8B%22
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>>17739714
>>17739716
>>17739718
Thanks.

Perhaps this is another easily google-able question but are there any exceptions to this or can all aux adjectives be conjugated into adverbs like normal?
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>>17739732
Not 100% sure about this, but I believe auxiliary adjectives turn the word itself (e.g. 使いやすい) into an adjective. So yes.
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How formal is どうも?
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>>17739753
That would make sense. Thanks again anon
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>>17739707
Tried playing around with it some more to see if I could make the cards look like the ones Rikaisama creates, but I can't figure it out. I don't know if it's even possible.

Looks like this is the best I can do.
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>>17739803
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkk6p4JVKio
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>>17739860
IQがどのくらい上がっても日本語の能力が上がらないみたいですね
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Onomatopoeic words - to mine or not to mine?
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>>17739933
I have never mined a single onomatopoeic word in the history of my 500 card deck and I turned out just fine. Note that I have deleted my mining decks multiple times so I've actually mined many more cards.
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>>17739860
僕はキュウリリッッック
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http://www.strawpoll.me/14108307
http://www.strawpoll.me/14108307
http://www.strawpoll.me/14108307
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what steps can i take to gradually ease myself into AJATT? for example right now (so far) i can't survive if i change my whole operating system language to Japanese, but what are the first things i can make fully Japanese, and then the next steps after that?

also i just tried installing hanahira (first vn) but i don't know how to because the readme files are messed up, i assume i need to install some language pack? yes i briefly checked the guide for VN stuff but i didn't see anyhting on the front page
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>>17740109
>including a meme option
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>>17740135
if it wasn't included, the people who picked it would quote that post and say "fucking read more" anyway so it's fine like this
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>メチャウマ
めちゃくちゃ上手い?
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>>17740127
>change my whole operating system language to Japanese
That's a horrible idea anyway. In the event of a serious problem, you won't be able to read any error messages telling you what's wrong.

You probably won't even bother reading the Japanese either and will instead just find your way around your system through memory and guess-work because looking up every single menu item is a pain in the ass.
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>>17740135
There are 2 though.
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http://www.strawpoll.me/14108363
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>>17740153
>/djt/ has no niggers (it seems so far)
Good.
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>>17740203
>/djt/
Fuck off. To /pol/ while you're at it.
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>>17740203
What the hell is this dumbass talking about. Go back to /pol/, also.
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>>17740210
Nobody wants to eat ass.
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>>17740203
>opened poll
>don't know japanese
>hit an answer at random
>apparently it was a form of self-declaration for niggers
woah
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>>17740212
>>opened poll
>>don't know japanese
>>hit an answer at random
Welcome to DJT!
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>>17740211
>3 people picked "i'm gay"
>he genuinely, honestly doesn't think that homos eat ass
Even if the other 2 were joking, I wasn't.
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So this is why this thread is so shit recently. Crossboarders.
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>>17740217
I thought you just fuck each other in the ass.
Eating ass is disgusting.
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>>17740216
Glad to be here.
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>>17740220
The guy from poll do you mean?
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>>17740222
Eating ass isn't great, but getting your ass eaten rules, and sometimes to get a little you gotta give a little.
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>>17740220
>general moved from another board has crossboarders
No shit, what clued you in?
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>>17740227
>DURR BA DUPADURR RURRR URRRR
All I could understand from your post.
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>>17740226
I understand that wymen have some erogenous zone on the surface, but isn't dick way better for stimulating the ass? I thought the feel good point was fairly deep.
Are you larping?
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>>17740230
You realize you just insulted yourself?
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I've been posting in /djt/ since it was on /a/ and have failed to even achieve an N5 level of proficiency. These threads are worthless, all of the advice is just meme shit, and I really don't think anyone here actually knows Japanese. I'm just going to go take a class.
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>>17740240
N5 takes like a month at absolute max, what on earth have you been spending your time doing?
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>>17740230
>>17740240
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>>17740240
Sorry, you're just retarded. Classes will only make it worse. Consider offing yourself so we don't have to deal with your retarded offspring.
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>>17740241
I grinded out core6k and RTK, can't remember most of the kanji, and can't read for shit.
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>>17740249
>I was an ankidrone
yeah that doesn't teach you japanese
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>>17740242
Who is moot?
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>>17740249
read more
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>ぐちゅぐちゅとオマンコの肉を捏ねるように、ペニスで何回も掻き回すと、キリエは思ったとおりのかわいらしい声を出してくれた。
Is this 捏ねる supposed to be こねる or つくねる?
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>>17740261
read more
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Haha, you're all fucking fags. I just read light novels for a year straight and am now nearing N2. I'm taking the N2 test in December and then I'll take N1 in July. Feels good to not be mentally impaired.
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>>17740275
I can't work up an interest in any LN I've picked up. It took me like a month to get through my first one and then I couldn't get interested in any I picked up after that. Where are all of the secretly good non-ecchi LNs hiding?
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>>17740275
>I'm taking the N2 test in December and then I'll take N1 in July.
Why not just take the N1?
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>>17740275
When you say you read LNs for a year, how much vocab or grammar knowledge did you have going in?
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>>17740278
Just read a real novel then.
You don't belong on /jp/ though, check out >>>/int/.
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>>17740306
Is the implication here that because I don't want ecchi I'm a dumb normie whose only interest is interaction with normal people? But plenty of eroge are great even if you completely skip the ero.
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i started studying in late july and my country only has JLPT in december. what are the odds I'll fail N2 next year? with 20 words per day i'd have up to 9700 words in anki by then

ps. i definitely do not think i'm going to get to N1 level in 14 months from now i'm probably slower than average and have low (70%) retention

additional information: i started reading today, it works surprisingly well so far
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>>17740278
I understand you're probably retarded but this is a retard proof method to find decent LNs.
Step 1: Search up Japanese shows on netflix or some other broadcasting site
Step 2: Find the original name of the LN a show is based on and search for it on Amazon
Step 3: Find actual decent non otaku pandering ecchi shit LNs

I personally just bought LNs from a local Japanese guy who was selling his books for like 1 dollar each.
>>17740284
I actually meant to say that I'm taking N3. There's a certain gap of difficulty between N3 and N2/N1 so I think I making the right choice.
>>17740285
Did a bit of core, stopped halfway through. I tried reading Yotsuba but it's too tedious (I got back to reading it recently). So I just started reading books. But I've only been studying for one year and a half approximately.
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>>17740287
Both of them are words though, and it's H dialogue, so the metaphors don't always make complete sense. I figure it's こねる, but figured it'd be worth checking here in case anyone who knows more Japanese than me can answer.
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>>17740330
As far as I know 捏ねる is exclusively archaic, surviving only as 捏ね.
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>>17740240
Tell us what you've actually tried so far.
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>>17740317
How much grammar experience? Tae Kim is tedious and I'm sick of studying it.
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so many リア充 going for nice and safe JLPT test scores, 頑張れ
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>>17740384
You're out of luck. The only grammar guide I used was Tae Kim. And I didn't read all of it, only used it for reference when I was beginning. Although I'm sure there are many other good guides that aren't tedious out there. Have you tried 日本語の森?
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Anyone interested in helping OCR books that only have scans?
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>>17740338
Weird, I just wasn't able to find a whole lot comparing the two on my usual sources / chiebukuro, and Forvo has both readings in both of the sound clips. I'll just assume it's こねる and move on if no one knows for sure, as I'm not too likely to stumble upon the word in this context too often.
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>>17740416
Sorry, meant to use the longer reading in kana but the ime auto converted it.
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>>17740432
Ah, alright. Thanks then.
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>>17740457
Why are you using chink fonts?
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>>17740384
You are not fucking studying it. You are reading ot once or twice just sere which grammar forms exist so you can look them up easily once you start reading.
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What are some Anki add-ons that can make me feel terrible like pic related?
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>>17740556
If you like we could probably whip up a little dekinai face that slowly grows bigger the more cards you fail
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>>17740581
Would it be possible to do that as a background that slowly fades in as you fail more?
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>sleep rhythm is messed up
>waking up just a few hours before anki reset (4am)
>always have to rush in the last 30 minutes under pressure

this is hell
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おはようおにいちゃん

かのじょのぼうしはおおきい
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どんなぼうしかぶってるの
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I'm at 1400 mature and 600 young/learning when do I start understanding spoken Japanese? Should I try manga now?
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>>17741070

You haven't started reading?
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>>17741076

I did try reading a little bit of manga and VNs at about 700 mature cards but was really struggling so I put it off for a bit. I just mainly read Japanese text from twitter now.
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>>17741080
twitter's going to be so full of slang, isn't it? i'd assume it'd be really hard to read. shonen manga is pretty easy. if you want to start at the absolute easiest thing you could, i'd recommend zettai reiiki. you'll have to look up words but the grammar etc. is pretty simple.
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Is there a way to see when I started my core2k deck on anki?
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ここいち

いこー

カレーたべよー
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>>17741080

nip twitter is hard as fuck to read imo. I recommend reading any sort of non-chuuni, non-battle manga. Don't limit yourself to shounen, seinen can be just as understandable and it's sometimes even easier to read imo. Honestly the most important thing is that it is interesting to you.

I felt like a got a big boost in reading because one of the first things I tried to read was the welcome to the nhk light novel, It was wayyyy beyond my skill level but because I enjoy it so much I kept with it. Since I was so familiar with the content (read the novel in english, read the manga in english, watched the anime in english), if I got to a section that was simply too difficult I could just skip it until an easier section and not lose track of what was going on. Right now I'm trying to do the same thing with the tatami galaxy book, which, again, is way beyond my level, but I enjoy it enough that I can push through.

Don't be afraid to skip sections that are just too difficult and come back later. Yotsubato is sort of interesting as a beginner because their are some really easy portions and some fairly advanced portions so when you go back to reread you can really tell in which areas you have improved.
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>>17741130
10辛に限って食べる
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>>17741158
ぜろからです
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAGflbrTdts
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Finally able to read fairly easy works, but I can't even think back on how many manga I wanted to finish that were dropped by scan groups. Maybe Karakuri Circus would be a good pick.
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おはようおにいちゃん

にへいよんでた

このコマ

すごくいいかんじ
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>>17741342
にへいの絵がかっこいい
私も描きたい
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Is there a way to delete all reverse cards in a deck? And also a way to mass delete cards easily? Like say I want to get rid of the first 200 cards in a deck based just on the order that they appear in.
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>>17741430
remove card type
use browser
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Wasn't able to find this in the resources and thought it might be useful to some:
http://life.ou.edu/stories/
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The first few minutes in the first episode of Kujira knocked me out lads. I wish there were japanese subs for it...
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>>17741716
Looks pretty good.
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Does anyone have a link on all the sheets from nihonshock?
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>>17741716
やまにしばかりにいったはずだよ

きをきりにいってはいないとおもうよ
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>get sick
>retention falls to 76.7% (an over 5% decrease)
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>>17742138
Who quote
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>>17742197
Normalfag meme
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>>17742200
Riajuu meme
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あたしは今日も一日がんばるぞい!

あなたは?
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>>17742445

もう寝たい
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>>17742445
疲れたからもうやめとけ
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>>17742138
Only overall mature retention really matters and even then it depends on the number of facts being retained. That is, something with 20 thousand mature words with a mature rate of 65% will have far more "value" in terms of retained facts/words/whatever than someone with 90% retention with 2 thousand mature cards.
Using two extremes, obviously.
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>>17742453
今日一日がんばった?

じゃあ、眠いなら寝たほうがいいよ。明日もがばってね!
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>>17742472

頑張るどころか今日も一日眠かった
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>>17742484
それはよくないですよ。もっとしっかりしたほうがいいよ。
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>>17742484
睡眠は大事
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>>17742549
寝すぎは体に悪いぞ。
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君ならできる!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPHpDuzE-Zc
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Anyone know if there's a way to adjust the horizontal position of the pop-up with Yomichan?

It would be much easier to mouse into if it appeared in a more central position under/over your mouse cursor.
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あなたはシッパイすることだけしかできない
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjaxYW40ysE
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>>17742696
There already is an option to adjust the horizontal offset. I'm sure the dev could add a vertical offset as well. Just ask on the koohii forums or make an issue on github
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>>17742540

身体弱すぎ。人生に負けられた。
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>>17742717
Don't have an account on either site and can't be bothered to make one just for the sake of asking a single question.
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恋ということに信じたいぜ!
っていうけどそんなのアカンやな...
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Went to a bookstore this morning, a Japanese mom was talking with her kid and I could understand every word the kid said.

I can officially talk as much as a 3 y/o now.
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>>17742741
If you can't be bothered to put in the slightest bit of effort, you don't deserve any help.

>>17742825
Get any pics of the kid?
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Hey DJT, I have what is probably a dumb question. Can you guys help me?

Are the 土 and 寸 parts connected in kanji such as 待or 時 or not? I see them a lot and sometimes they are and sometimes they're not. Was wondering if you guys can fill me in on the proper representation.
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>>17742839
気持ち悪い
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What do you all do with words like 汲み取る?

Mine 汲む? Mine 汲み取る? Mine both?
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>>17742850
This was literwlly explained in this, or the last thread.
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>>17743020

Depends, but I usually mine the full word.
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>>17743029
They're talking about graphical connection, not idea connection.
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>あとがき has no furigana while the whole manga has
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>reading about U17 World Cup
>Japan U17's best player is a kid named Takefusa Kubo
>apparently his name's written with the kanji for "England"
What the hell
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How is とらぶる for the first manga?
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>>17743196
Ideal.
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Anyone tried the WaniKani Anki deck? I like the idea of leaning Kanji paired with vocab.
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I started WA2 intro chapter because its one of the main reasons I'm learning japanese, i have only read some assorted manga volumes, 2 full series, and a game without much text.
I thought it would be pretty easy but I'm having to look up tons of words and not understanding stuff and I'm only 45 minutes in. It felt really satisfying being able to read manga okay but i didnt expect WA2 to be so hard. I think a major thing throwing me off is all the slang, will I just get used to this or should I stop and try again later?
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>>17743342
If it's one of the main reasons you're learning the language, you probably don't want to ruin it with beginner-level comprehension and speed.
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>>17743342
Well, at least it's a good way to see how far we have left to go. If you want to keep going, just keep in mind that you can always revisit it later on when you've gotten better. But if it's particularly special to you, maybe hold off on it anyway.
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Is it recommended to set the order of new cards in your mining deck to random?
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>>17743561
Depends if the order is important to you.
E.g. if you were doing core20k you would probably keep the frequency order and learn the most common words first.
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>>17743572
Yeah, I know if wouldn't be advised if you're using a deck which has been specifically ordered in some way, but with a mining deck it just sort of grows however it does.

I was thinking random might be a good idea since if you were mining something about a specific topic, the vocabulary related to that topic would be more evenly distributed throughout your deck rather than all being grouped together in one big chunk which could get you muddled up and make you start confusing the words with each other.
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>>17743603
Yeah, shuffling seems like a good idea.
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I dled a 30k vocab but want to delete the first 6000 or so cards because I already did that with core 6k. How can I delete the first 6000 cards in anki quickly and not just card by card?
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>>17743644
desktop version, use browse
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>>17743644

hit the browse button and then select the deck and then click and drag across the cards you want to delete
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what kind of fool does 30000 flashcards
at which point during that 30000 are you gonna start learning japanese
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>>17743644

Edit/find duplicates
Look in field: Front
Tag duplicates
(in search bar) deck:<name of 30k deck> tag:duplicate
ctrl+A
Delete
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>>17743652
>>17743655
>>17743707
Thanks everyone.

>>17743689
I just like learning new vocabulary. And I'm at the point where I understand the vast majority of every day grammar and the only thing holding me back is the vocabulary. I don't like playing VN or reading manga so a daily number of new words on anki is how I want to learn.
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>>17743779

>I don't like playing VN or reading manga so a daily number of new words on anki is how I want to learn.

Good job the thread is about to die, or you'd have just caused a huge argument with the 'read only' fags.
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>>17743779
Have fun not learning Japanese. You're going to have to learn like 15k words to read without having to look up a word every two or three lines.
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>>17743779
When you finish the 30K deck and are still terrible at Japanese, come back so we can laugh at you.
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I'm trying to read this Made in Abyss doujin but there's one bubble I can't understand.
>『成れ果て』とできるなんてさ…そうはないんだぜ?
What exactly does this mean? I'm not sure if it relates to the dialogue in the previous panel.
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>>17743796
>>17743799
I've read manga before I just don't like doing it anymore. Back when I read manga I didn't like stopping and adding stuff into vocab.

Also I'm still getting exposure to written Japanese since the deck has example sentences for all the cards. So how exactly am I not learning? Just because I'm not playing a game where you get to fuck your favorite fetish girl or reading another generic shonen where you'll encounter the same 90% of words?
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>>17743342
Try Damekoi. Same writer, way more manageable and also great.
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>>17743822
Example sentences are pretty trash. Have fun not learning Japanese.
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>>17743822
>Also I'm still getting exposure to written Japanese since the deck has example sentences for all the cards.
Takes using one shortcut if you are reading books converted to html and using yomichan.
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>>17743817
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/165517/meaning/m0u/
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>>17743822
I'm with you, dude. I'm at 7k cards and I only read example sentences. I've read a couple NHKNewsEasy articles and a couple chapters of Youtsuba and Komisan but mainly I just do Anki and listen to podcasts. I'll be able to read once I hit 24k cards, I imagine.
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>>17743859
I forgot to mention that 成れ果て is in-universe vocabulary. It's the meaning as a whole I don't understand.
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>>17736193
I recently switched to firefox after not using it for awhile. I tried to reinstall rikaisama, but even after I install the dictionaries they don't appear in the list and rikaisama won't activate when I click it. What do?
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>>17743817
『成れ果て』と(セックス)できるなんてさ…そうは(い)ないんだぜ?
It's rare to get to have sex with a 成れ果て
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>>17743908
Thanks anon, I understand now. I was getting confused with the そうはない part.
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>>17743886
Use Yomichan, unless you really need customizable shortcuts (then downgrade the firefox to some earlier version).
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How can you verbally tell the difference between 天才 and 天災? Yomichan's voice clip has the exact same intonation for both. Just context, I guess.
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>>17743967
Almost always 天才 unless it's a context where you would only expect to hear 天災 like disaster news.
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>>17743967
I let you know when i work out the difference between 聞くand 聞く
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>>17743974
>the difference between 聞くand 聞く
LITERALLY indistinguishable.
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>>17743967
you dont have to be a genius to see that is a blessing and a curse
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Where to find professionally checked/edited example sentences with English translations?

The Kenkyusha J-E EPWING dictionary has some good ones under some entries, but under others it's literally just the word being defined + one more word which isn't particularly helpful.
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Anyone got the first two volumes of SukaSuka? Can't find 'em anywhere
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>>17744152
Then buy them and upload them.
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>>17744221
tfw poorfag
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Can somebody please tell me what phrase is used while petting/patting/cuddling/hugging a girl? Sounds similar to よし/yoshi and is translated as "there, there" or "good girl" etc. Seen it in Toradora and now Gochiusa but google is giving me nothing on this.
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こしこし?
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>>17741802
http://www.mediafire.com/file/dckt6ix32l93f35/fora.pdf
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>>17744300
よしよし
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>>17744326
>it's literally two よし put together
well fuck no wonder i got nothing
Thank you for putting this mystery to bed.

>>17744318
Thanks for trying anon
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>まだまだ小さな心のささくれだったけど、何故かそれは、ひどく根深いものに感じられた。
Is it correct to understand 小さな modifying 心のささくれだった here? Translating the sentence as something like "I still feel only slightly irritated but...", but I'm not sure if I'm interpreting まだまだ correctly either. Any help?
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>>17744702
いいぶんしょうだとおもうよ

語感がいいかんじだね

>however it is a little heart pain, whatever I felt a deep inside cliff in it.

あたしのえいごは8さいくらいなのであてにしないでね
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>>17728063
ゝ髷
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>>17744754
まだまだ小さな心と子供ような心と類似んでしょうか?
>It was an irritated heart of a child but...
たぶん
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>目に染みる
I get one of the first definitions of this, like smoke or shampoo in your eyes, but 'make ones eyes smart'?
kotobank has
>見慣れる。また、見飽きる
Is this what its trying to mean?
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>>17744891

"To smart" means to sting or hurt. Something stinging your eyes and something making your eyes smart are pretty much the same thing, though I don't think I've ever heard anyone say it the latter way.
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>>17744981
Ah I think I have heard that used once, like 'that really smarts' but it was an old show
it all makes sense now
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What should I read if I'm matured in.....40 words
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>>17744300
よいしょ
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