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Two Anchorage-based fighter jets intercepted a pair of Russian bombers Monday night off Kodiak Island in what an Air Force commander called the first such flight seen near Alaska in nearly two years.

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/military/2017/04/18/air-force-fighters-scramble-from-anchorage-to-intercept-russian-bombers/

This whole incident really seems like they are testing our response time... But i'm not as informed as some of you are; What do you think?
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Bears have been doing this for literally 50+ years now, not just with us, but quite literally any Western Country with an airforce ranging from Norway to Japan

Is this a slight rise in tensions? Yeah a little bit, but since this has been happening since the days of the F-86, its nothing surprising
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>>33705195
>Russian bombers flying over alaska
wow it's fucking nothing!
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That's just their way of saying hello
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>>33705195
The Soviets used to send flights near our airspace pretty much from the moment the Tu-95 was in service. It was a good way to gauge our response time and keep everyone on their toes. Carrier groups nearly always had 'fishing trawlers' hanging around like cleaner fish and if one got within several hundred miles of anything the Soviets were fond of you would see a military vessel come bumbling out and become your friend. Major Navy installations usually had to chase those same 'trawlers' off on a regular basis and it was sort of a game between everyone.

My father served on the USS Vreeland in the 1970's and he has a handful of pictures of when the Soviet cruiser Zhdanov was so close the captain sent a motor launch over with some random shit like magazines and lighters as a sign of goodwill and to possibly make the Zhdanov quit being such a nosy shit. So these modern Tu-95 flights are just a continuation of the Russians being their usual selves.
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>>33705195
By the way, aren't those airplanes horribly obsolete by now?
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>>33705509
I mean, you could say the same about the B52. The plane is ancient but it's still full of stand off weapons.
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>>33705509
Not by russian standard
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>>33705509
Not really, its a long range missile and ELINT/ASW (as the Tu-142) platform.
If you assume that role is necessary, then its not obsolete.
As a side note the Tu-95/142s Russia still has are relatively new air frames, all built from the mid 1980s until the early 1990s.
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>>33705509
Who the fuck cares? All they need to do is takeoff-launch from Russia territory-return
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>What do you think?
>>33705315
>>33705304
>>33705291
These.
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>>33705195
We should start "intercepting" them from 50 miles away, passive sensors only--let them wonder if we're there at all.
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>>33705304
why would the US fly raptors next to this thing?
why show their hand like that and allow the russians to scan it and test detection methods etc?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyMNIFZTQkg
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>>33705521
>>33705522
>>33705547
>>33705555

No, I mean, like - I know the airframe design can be 60 years old and it's ok, because laws of physics are the same, and all the difference is in avionics, materials, electronics, armament etc.

But Tu-95 - that flying scrap uses goddamn propellers!

I mean, just compare the stats of Tu-95 and B-52.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-95

Fuck, I put them together for ease of eyeballing.

>inbd some vatnik calls me a burger

>edit: lol, B-52 is actually lighter despite being much larger :P
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>>33705732
>But Tu-95 - that flying scrap uses goddamn propellers!
Why is this an issue?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-95
So it can fly 6,000km+, launch 8-16 missiles, then fly back?
It can accomplish the mission it is in service for, so how can it be obsolete?
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>>33705195
they're just saying hello to good old USA. i guess it gives the fighter squadrons and NORAD something to do
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>>33705770
until one gets accidentally on purpose shot down killing the turkish crew inside
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>>33705484
>sent a motor launch over with some random shit like magazines and lighters as a sign of goodwill and to possibly make the Zhdanov quit being such a nosy shit.
and did they respond in kind, or?
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>>33705195
airman.dodlive.mil/tag/alaskan-north-american-aerospace-defense-command-region/
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>>33705195
>This whole incident really seems like they are testing our response time...


Yes.
They do it on daily basis over Baltic states.
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>>33705602
>Scan it

With what? The Russians don't know ahead of time whether the Americans are sending an F-15 or an F-22 up there. Besides, both of the F-22s pictured are carrying drop tanks anyway
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>>33705484
There are some pretty good Bear stories.

My favorite is the one about NATO pilots constantly speeding up and slowing down while escorting Bears, so that the political commissar inside would constantly have to crawl back and forth through the bomb bay tunnel to keep them in sight and stop the Russian crews from being too friendly.

Another good one was when a Lighting was escorting a Bear and lost track of his tanker, and right when he was getting ready to divert to Greenland the Bear radioed him with directions and then said something like "Good luck, English MIG"
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>>33705853
>"Good luck, English MIG"
fucking kek
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>>33705195
>Oh c'mon anon, WW3 is a meme. JUST A MEME
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>>33705853
>back and forth through the bomb bay tunnel
Tu-95 doesn't have a tunnel between the cockpit and tail position, he must of teleported.
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>>33705195
Yeah, they are just probing us. We used to mutually do that to each other non-stop in the Cold war and the way the world is again you might as well say we are in a second one.
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>>33705912
I herd the same story, I think there's a ridiculously uncomfortable maintenance tunnel that you can crawl through if I remember correctly.
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>>33705925
There isn't, the cross section of the aircraft (actually the same as the aircraft its built upon, the B-29) is taken up entirely by the bomb bay.
Its just a dumb cold war story. Especially considering their was one political officer per regiment, he would of been pretty busy.
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>>33705936

But the B-29 has a crew tunnel.

https://www.google.com/search?q=b-29+crew+tunnel&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiCuLjZ37LTAhVpsFQKHdwRC1gQ_AUIBigB&biw=1280&bih=953
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>>33705955
And the Tu-95 has a much larger bomb bay. Try fitting a rotary launcher of Kh-55s in a B-29.
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>>33705959
>>33705955
>https://youtu.be/OXJ9Ln2sXJ8?t=18
You can actually see the top of the fuselage here
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The Tu-95 will always be one of my favorite planes. So fucking badass.
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>>33705195
I'm just gonna leave this here
https://acesflyinghigh.wordpress.com/2012/03/17/intercepting-the-bear/
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Its just banter, everyone does it
Major Ivan gets bored and decides to buzz the Americans.
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>>33705732
>Wikipedia
Top kek. Call me back when they will fix that "15000 kg payload" bullshit.
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>>33705602
>allow the russians to scan it


Real life is not Star Trek.
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>>33705853
Here it is.
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>>33705732
>>33707306
8 Kh-101 * 2,400 kg = 19,200 kg > 15,000 kg
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>>33705732
>But Tu-95 - that flying scrap uses goddamn propellers!

Nothing wrong with propellers.
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>>33705798
All they had was vodka.
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>>33709837
I'd say that's a fair exchange.
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Do these things even have counter measures? just park a sub in the islands, wait for fat fuck to fly over, shoot their ass down

launch fighters "late" , all sattelite data would show is the us planes way too far away for attack and they;d have to sum it up to mechanical failure, the debris would probably float to US waters so they could doctor that shit up or keep the missle impacted sections

end this shit it's gone on too long
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>>33710031
this man here graduated the Command and Conquer school of political and military action

as long as the subs have enough HP they can shoot down anything
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>>33710052
I mean yeah but then we'd have to watch out for RUS response with lvl3 kirovs and those bombs are a fuck
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>>33705509
If your only objective is to survive, it makes sense to throw everything you've got.

As they say, at least one will always get through.
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>>33705315
Pretty much this.
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>>33705798
The Zhadanov apparently put it's own launch in the water and did much the same, never did hear what they dropped off but it did give each ship a hell of a chance to get close up photography of each other.
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>>33705732
It could still accomplish it's mission as a long range bomber. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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>>33705304

Imagine all the air-frames that Tu-95 has outlived.
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> mfw some dumbass normie-friend tries to "tell" me about them russian bombers over alaska
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>>33710289

what country is the puny ball?
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>>33705652
I love that so much.
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>>33705195
Do Russian bombers on these annoyance missions carry weapons?
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>>33710289
Colombia. That was a few years ago.

>>33715398
Probably not. It saves fuel & if anything goes wrong they can play the dindu card.
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>>33705291
>F-86

Saber boner acquired.
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>>33705304

>tfw you get intercepted by a fucking A-7
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Its interesting.

In this thread the Tu-95 is just fine because its been upgraded and its weapons are new.

But im another thread, the US Minuteman missile is a ancient POS because its old despite having been upgraded over and over.
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>>33715629
Minuteman is an old POL though
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>>33715629
Protip: people assume Russian weapons are better automatically because they hate America
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>>33710104
Nigga, do you even a long range cruise missile carrier? The flybys Russians do off the coasts of Alaska and California are just routine patrols. Were they real combat missions by the time they usually meet the escorts your airfields would have been burning brighter than the centre of the sun while the Bears would have been on their way back.
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>>33715629
Could have a thing or two with the Bears' airframes being about 10 years younger than the Minuteman missiles and the fact that they are not piss obsolete underpreforming solid fuelled ICBMs that are barely kept operational by cannibalizing Peacekeeper missiles. That and the fact that Russians do have newer missile carriers in their service, while Minuteman is the only American ICBM and will likely remain so for quite some time.
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i have my doubts
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>>33716495
nah senpai they just finished the first phase of the replacement program the first missiles are supposed to come into service in 2030 besides our SLBMs are more than enough
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So does radar intercept pick them up or can they just hear them?
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>>33716515
Yeah, sure, just like Ohio replacement, M1A3, etc. I wonder how many trillions will they get from kickbacks before finally putting out something useful.
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>>33705195
This is kind of a "i wish a nigga would" things. Slaviboo fantises will finally meet reality and their crumbling, outdated millitary would be flattened.
Its time to remove tbe risdian blight on this earth, communist ideologys will finally meet their death in flames
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>>33716570
Found a mad burgerboo.
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>>33715680
>Intercepted by an A-6
Who is being the cheeki breeki here, Soviets or Americans for intercepting with the fattest, slowest jet they had on the carrier?
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>>33716575
Found a slaviboo in denial
This isnt the 60s anymore ivan, we have anti ballistic missiles and SAMs that can shoot down any nuclear ordinance. MAD is irrelevant now
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>>33716578
That's not even the Bear and A-6 was probably the only airworthy thing on the deck at the moment.
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>>33716601
Sorry, burgerboo, but they only thing you were capable to intercept so far was shitty Hera missile, lol.
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>>33716601
>MAD is irrelevant now
>???????
>!

Do explain.
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>>33716629
Oh and your bombers. lol
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>>33705195
So how often did the Soviets intercept US planes? I know the Soviets managed a lockon SR-71 in a MiG-31
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>>33716570

>Russian Federation.
>A communist country.

Where in the hell do/did you get your education from?
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>>33705936
Do the russians still have political officers? That report backk to alexander dugin or patriarch or (((bratva))) or someone? Did they completely get rid of political commisars?
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>>33714828
Kek, reminds me of that collage of Queen Elizabeth II posing with the last dozen presidents
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>>33717199

This should be an easy one to awnser for yourself: Is the Russian Federation a communist country?

If Yes, then the awnser of your question is Yes.
If No, then the awnser of your question is No.
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>>33709837
>Both sides send over motor launches
>Americans send Playboys and lighters
>Soviets send vodka and vodka
>Americans decide to snort the vodka on the way back for themselves, wind up drunkenly flipping the launch halfway back
>no survivors
>Slav sailor decides to attempt to drink butane by cracking open one of the lighters
>Skipper doesn't notice in time, he's too busy attempting to drive the boat and jack off before they make it back to the ship and all the titty mags get "confiscated" by the Political Officer
>Greasy, shitty Slav launch goes up in flames and sinks
>No survivors
>Both ship crews assume sabotage and panic, light each other up
>Things escalate and erupt worldwide
>Titty mags and dollar-store Bics usher in an age of nuclear hellfire
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>>33715166
Armenia ?
The flag is upside down, though.

The other option would be Columbia but I doubt Russian bombers would bother going there...
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>>33717700
It's Venezuela, dummies. Russian bombers visited it a couple of times.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/09/11/russia.venezuela/index.html?iref=nextin
http://defense-update.com/20131030_russian-tu-160-strategic-bombers-land-venezuela.html
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>>33717772
Considering how many fucking Sukhois the Chavez regime bought I suspect that was more of a friendly visit.
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>>33717815
It is pretty clear that it was, since they landed there and spent there a couple days training.
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>>33717772
>It's Venezuela, dummies.

Why would Venezuela COMPLAIN to the USA about Russia sending over bombers ?
It's like SK complaining to China about US anti-ballistic ships cruising near its coastline...
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>>33717845
Because the person that created the comic was dumb? I mean it IS the flag of Venezuela.
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>>33705509
If you mean obsolete because of changes in doctrines: Provided that you have the air superiority any plane that carries a lot of bombs is useful still, and they do use long range bombers from Russia to engage targets in Syria as far as I know.

If you mean technologically: Upgrading electronics is not that hard and I'm pretty sure they've undergone a lot of upgrades already. Airframes must be old but they fly, they fly high and if there happens an engagement others won't be able to do anything bear cannot do.

Also why would they send their best for messing with other countries?
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>>33717925
>Also why would they send their best for messing with other countries?
Ask the Iranian F-4 pilot that got teabagged by a couple of F-22s when he chased a US drone.
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>>33717935
Fast response is not the same as "testing the capabilities of radar systems".
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>>33717925
>Provided that you have the air superiority any plane that carries a lot of bombs is useful still
Tu-95MS are not carrying and have never carried any bombs, ever. IIRC the last remaining Tu-95 that carried bombs were converted into training aircraft in early 80s.
>Upgrading electronics is not that hard and I'm pretty sure they've undergone a lot of upgrades already
Mainly engine and navigation upgrades. There's not much you can improve on a missile truck.
>Airframes must be old
Airframes are about as old as B-1B.
>Also why would they send their best for messing with other countries?
They do routine patrols with Tu-22M3 and Tu-160 as well.
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>>33718038
>Tu-95MS are not carrying and have never carried any bombs, ever. IIRC the last remaining Tu-95 that carried bombs were converted into training aircraft in early 80s.
They're not fighters either, the missiles they carry are used for strategical bombing anyway.
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>>33718081
This is not what was implied with "Provided that you have the air superiority any plane that carries a lot of bombs is useful still". A missile truck armed with 5000 km range cruise missiles neither gives a fuck about air superiority nor carries a lot of bombs.
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>>33705912
>must of
Back to school, retard.
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>>33717873
>I mean it IS the flag of Venezuela.
Or is it ?
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>>33719388
Or he couldn't draw the flag of Colombia properly, since Colombian relationships with US are much warmer to my understanding.




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