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Hey it's an airgun thread!

I recently got a new beautiful scope for my custom crosman so I'm excited to get out and bag some critters.

Who has an airgun and how often do you shoot it?
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I know you guys love your big boom sticks and high speed low drag tac sacks but please post in my thread.

Air guns are fun guys c'mon
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I'm looking for a cheap spring rifle for fun and hunting until I can get shotgun certificate. What do you recommend?
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>>35143982
What's your price range and what are you looking for, a plinker or something to hunt with.

I've only had 3 Springers. A Winchester a Beeman and some random Chinese knock off called b1 and by far the Chinese one was the hardest hitting and kept groups as good as the other 2.

You could always go for a nitro piston but I never had one so I can't say about anything about them but I know you can run like jsb Jumbo's and shit meant for PCP airguns.
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>>35143800
>how often

not as often as I'd like, but now that the cycling season is pretty much done here, I can hit the local range more often. As it were - I could throw my air pistol into a backpack and take it to a local range (disused, except by archers and airgunners, since airguns under 17J are not regulated here in Poland).

Here's what I shoot. Air Arms Pro Sport .177 (best spring piston air rifle on the market, and the prettiest), with a Hawke Sidewinder 10x42 30 SF IR 1/2 MD scope (picture below).
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the aforementioned scope. Target is a 40mm KZ at 40m, zero at 27m, just under 1 md holdover.
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and for some light plinking (if you consider 10m olympic "light"), a 30 year old SSP (single stroke pneumatic) - Feinwerkbau 100 (a real beast of a match pistol).
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>>35144013
I have a benjamin titan nitro piston. Fucks up squirrels and chipmunks real good. Accurate enough to nail them in the head from 25 yards away.
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>>35144022
>>35144014
Omg how nice is the hawk? Your reticle looks smaller than I remembered but God damn those scopes are just the best, by far my favourite reticle
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>>35144013
~£150 I'd like to be able to take squirrel eventually but I'm new to shooting (a few bb guns as a kid, that's it)
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>>35144145
You have plenty of options I'd say grab a Benjamin trail nitro piston but try and go to a store and feel them and see what you like.
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>>35143800
HW 77, laminated stock. Nikko Stirling scope.

I shoot with it everyday.
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>>35144313
Nice rifle but I find that scope to be really shit for its price. It has basically the same features as a 60$ Amazon Chinese scope for Triple the money.
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>>35144347
I'm looking for something else at the moment, not sure what I should get. Something not too expensive. I keep the Eotech and the like for shooting .308 etc...
A 4x scope is more than enough for me on that rifle. I might be interested in a illuminated reticle this time.
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>>35143800
I plink with my 10/22, but non-shit air guns are legit.
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>>35143982
Don't fall for cheap guns, they will disappoint and then break. Save your shekels and try to find a deal.
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I'm looking to get an FX Impact in the not too distant future. Has anyone here got any ecosistema ä experience with it or any of the other FX airguns? Thinking I'll get the .177 and .30 calibre barrels at first.
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>>35143800
The FX Independence is the coolest shit I've seen. I just wish it didn't cost $1700.
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>>35144013
I bought an $80 spring air rifle from amazon, it was amazingly good and fun.

I am tempted to buy the large round I think its .22 or .25 to shoot squirrels.
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My airguns:
>2 x daisy 880
>crosman legacy 1000
>daisy 1100ws

The 880's are extremely accurate with incredible reliability for what they are (like, slug squirrels in the head with a 7x scope at 50 yards 9/10 times accurate) but they lack the oomph the Crosman Legacy provides. If I had the money I would no shit put a high magnification scope on it and take it out to 75 yards. I do stupid shit with airguns though, like spend hours trying to hit cans at 100 yards with three pumps, that sorta deal.

Crosman Legacy 1000 is based on the Crosman 2100 but with slightly more power. Crosman is my favorite brand, but recently I have become extremely frustrated with them. It seems 2/3 of all their sub $150 products either don't work at all or have defects that make them unusable for the purposes I want. For example, I have bought the following air pistols which turned out to be lemons:
>3x Crosman vigilante (leaked co2, leaked co2, barrel didn't align with frame somehow and shot 6 inches left at 15 yds)
>2x Crosman 1377 (aperture sight too low, rekt crown and broken barrel band)
>2x Crosman Legacy 1000 (broken barrel band but kept it anyway because it was extremely accurate by some magic, the second one and my current one has a roll pin trying to work it's way out every time I pump the lever arm and is super inaccurate...might try to recrown it)
>1x Crosman shockwave (sights so low I would have had to turn on noclip and put my face physically inside the gun to align the sights)

The daisy 1100ws was the worst though. The iron sights are completely unusable, there is no way you can adjust the thing as it shoots literally 1.5 feet high at 25 yards. Figured out I have a bent barrel.

Tldr:
>either all sub $150 airguns suck or
>some antigun fucker at walmart is literally throwing the products against the floor and intentionally breaking them then putting them on the shelves
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>>35143800
I want a good air rifle but Im really miffed about them because I had a shitty stoeger x20s and it cost me a lot of money and I regret it. What do
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>>35144138

That one is scaled to 10x. I also have a 6-24x56, with the same reticle scaled to 20x, and it's larger.

Quick picture with max red illumination to make it visible when off center (since pointing at the window and trying to take a picture made my phone go crazy).


Also - Falcon makes really nice reticles, and the Hawke AirMax series have wider lines on the bottom vertical, to help with windage holdoff.

And yea - the hawke is really a nice scope (for a $450 one) - Since it sits on a springer (even as good as a pro sport), I wanted a fixed mag (also, for HFT) and a one-piece mount (sports match damp).
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>>35144810

depends on your budget.

Top 5 springers IMO:

Air Arms Pro sport
Air Arms Tx200hc
Walther LGV
Walther LGU
HW 97K

For PCP, you can't go wrong with something like an AA s400/410/500/510.
Steyr makes some kickass ones, although we're going into olympic and world class FT territory there.

Something like a Walther LG400 or a Feinwerkbau 800 is capable of literally putting pellets through a single hole.

Even older ones like a FWB 600/300, or a Walther LG200 (old PCA rifles can be converted to pcp) are great compared to the low end stuff like crossman/gamo, etc.
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For a cheap springer, Gamos aren't too bad and can be had on sale for about 100 I would guess. The cheapest I believe are Umarex but I never cared for them. I do pest control for a living and we switched away from the springers to the cheap PCP Benjamin Maximus. If you can swing 300 for a gun and pump combo I would go Maximus all day instead of a springer.
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>>35144391
>>35144839
>>35144313
Comparing these 2 scopes we're talking about.

God I want a hawke sidewinder soooo bad. I'm never going to justify spending more than 500 on a scope even on a center fire so for me the hawke is the top dog. I love the half mildot setup that goes so much farther than most scopes.

Right now I'm using some osprey rangefinder and I hate it.
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Anyone have an idea how to mount a bipod on this thing, I have a stock on it and a longer barrel but it still has a short 2240 frame.
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>>35145248
Forgot my link

https://youtu.be/QXBqkXfr74I
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Wabbit
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Burd
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Big burd
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>>35145609
>>35145600
>>35145592
Very nice. Where do you hunt?
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>you will never be this skilled

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8kKdX8gR9s

Also damn this dude has some nice equipment
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is a 1377 a good enough plinker for me to work on and have fun until I can buy a boom gun
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Get a real fun faggots
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>>35146223
This is the realest gun you're gonna get if you live in Great Britannia
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>>35146207
South Africa bro is really cool and his channel is amazingly informative and helpful. I like him just a bit better than Ted's holdover.

>>35146217
Definitely

>>35146223
I have, I just shoot air guns much more because it's easier to find a place to shoot and cheaper.
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How much would an Air Pistol with a muzzle energy of 6ft lbs (max allowed UK) harm someone? Would it deter a home invader?
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>>35146437
If it pushes a pellet out of a barrel it has enough energy to puncture your arteries and you could bleed out. Or your eyes or windpipe. But in England you'd go to jail where Mohammed and his friends would make you drink their smelly brown cum. Get a club.
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>>35146437
Basically >>35146528 . The UK is airstrip one for all intents and purposes at this point in its existence. Either move to Northern Ireland where you've got a little more leniency but really it's just to carry. Either way, you gotta join a gun club, get a gun safe & ammo safe in two different rooms, get your licenses, limit your cartridge sizes to under 1000 each; just a pain. Then if you wanna actually HAVE them, no semi-auto centerfire funz whatsoever. Also no firearms with barrels under 31cm, 65cm overall, including handguns of any kind.

That leaves you with Troy PARs and straight pull ARs but no milspec, 10/22s but no m1a socoms, Keltec KSGs but no DP-12, and revolvers or blowback pistols you have to pull the slide back after every shot both of which with ridiculously long barrels and a dildo tac-welded onto the butt of the grip of its still not long enough. Jfmsu

...at least you can own bolt-action 50cals and suppressors with no special paperwork
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Any recommendations for a air rifle? I'm cross dominant so I want to practice shooting long guns left-handed before actually buying one. Just looking to plink, is the Daisy Red Ryder any good? And secondary, perhaps an ability to kill pigeons too. Otherwise I'm not looking to spend any more than $100
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>>35147461

you won't get anything good for $100. The cheapest I feel comfortable recommending is a Walther Terrus for $200 (synthetic stock). Light years ahead of any hatsan, crossman, or whatever you can pick up.

That, orr look for a used FWB 300, Diana 65/75, or something like that.
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>>35147461
Get a Ruger 10/22 or M&P-15/22 for plinking AND defense

>muh $100 budget
There's nothing you can buy off the shelf that you can just fucking make thats worth a damn for under $100. Either stay poor and cry forever or get a job and earn a real tool, primary schooler
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>>35147581
This. Air Force Texan rifle or nothing
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>>35143982
Literally any of them. They're all the same, and 99% of them come with rails for aftermarket sights anyway.
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>>35147581
>>35147583
>>35147595
I already own a handgun, but I've yet to buy my first long gun. How about a budget of 300 then?
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>>35143955
>>35143800
I bought some non-PAL-required one at a pawn shop a while ago, it's fun but I get very opportunities to shoot it because I live in the city

>>35147461
>is the Daisy Red Ryder any good?
no

get a proper spring piston one. like I said in >>35147597 they're mostly all the same design and are about as high quality as eachother. expect to spend between 120 and 200 dollars for a middling quality one. one good enough to shoot but is still nothing special, firing at around 400 fps (just because of how laws have worked out, most manufacturers see 395 as the magic number of "can be sold basically anywhere without modifications")
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>>35147583
it always amazes me how angry americans get about other people's money
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Have pic related in .177. Got mine used for about half the new price. Will be hunting rabbit again soon.

Also have nitro piston .22 break barrel. Would not recommend. Too heavy. Usual springer recoil problems multiplied by ten.

Best cheap airgun is Benjamin 392 or 397 IMO.
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>>35143800
I was going to pick up an air gun for some backyard fun until I checked my city laws and it is treated the same as discharging any firearm :/

Of course others in my neighborhood don't have issues discharging actual firearms at each other all the time so I could probably get away with it.
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>>35147692
>consumer advice is somehow getting butthurt
>Says the socialist europoor/ canacuck/ autistralian
I bet you're still waiting for your magazine license after you just get your ammo license so that can qualify to get your airgun pistol license in 5 years after you pass the mandatory let-sandniggers-fuck-my-wife exam. Stay sad foreigner
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>>35147616
Dude, if you're really trying to pinch pennies, just get a bow. Unless that's still too much of a big boy toy for you then, well, kys
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>>35148007
Okay faggot, what about $1000? Oh wait, I can just buy an AR-15. Why would I want to spend any more than 300 for a British big boy toy? I could buy an actual rifle or shotgun past that price point.
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>>35148132
Rugers are the same price if you don't care about concealability. And the AR is so you can already have an AR platform to convert to a higher caliber later on
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Why does no one make a PCP air rifle in sub 500fps for Canadian market? PCP guns are the best guns idc what anyone says I hate going to the goofy tactical store to get my bottles filled. I'd rather hand pump it myself.
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>>35147597
>They're all the same

nope.

There is a HUGE friggin difference between a cheap (ie, under $200) springer, and a high end one, like the 5 I already mentioned (pro sport, tx200, lgv/lgu, hw97).

>>35147616
you can get something decent for $300. I'd still say get a Walther Terrus in this price range.
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>>35148153
>Why would I want to spend any more than 300

because the best air rifles are easily $700+?
And that's springers for you. for pcp rifles, something like a Walther LG400 is around $2500+.

And then there's a whole range of FAC (energy exceeding 16.3J) rifles for hunting bigger-than-small game, and a bunch of high powered ones for big game even.

Also - an AR15 is hardly a sub 1 moa gun, and for pest control, the air rifle is king.
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>>35148679
Why would you pay $200-300 for a springer when you can get a PCP for $200?
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>>35148732
>$2500+
That's for world class benchrest competition. A $200 gun is fine for putting small game on the table.
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>>35143800
>air shit thread

no
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>>35148732
All I want is a long gun to practice shooting lefty on. Pigeon killing would've been an extra bonus but I live in the city so it's probably not allowed anyways. No real pests to deal with. And I'm sorry, but for $700 I'd much rather buy a 357 revolver or nice shotgun
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>>35148870
That's what I'm saying

Nerf gun threads > air shit threads
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>>35143955
But I already have a 22 lr rifle and an airsoft pistol, why should I get an airgun?

Especially since I don't even have many small pests to shoot
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>>35149599
Idk man sounds like you don't really want one. I like shooting mine out my kitchen window and nobody notices plus I find the added difficulty of a lighter projectile more fun to shoot at longer ranges.
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>>35148627
Any PCP could be detuned for leafs.
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>>35149599
airsoft doesn't compare to something like >>35144028 that's basically an olympic competition pistol, that you can shoot in your own back yard, with the same level of precision (and if you miss, it's always the shooter's fault).

It's relaxing. As for an air rifle, a high end springer is a lot of fun to shoot, and can match a .22lr for accuracy at 50 yards easy, and still have the power to headshot a rabbit dead at 40m. And if you're not getting rid of pests, HFT is a lot of fun.
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>>35148870
>doesn't know the difference between airgun and airshit

no
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>>35149970
It has to come from the factory that way. I can't just tell the guy at the gun store "hey see that rifle that needs a license? Could you just detune that for me so I can buy it without a license?"
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>>35149006
Then don't get an air gun.
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Anyone here have a Benjamin 397?

Even after I cleaned the paint out of the muzzle (wtf Benjamin) it doesn't seem to hold very tight groups. My Crossman legacy 1000 has a horrific trigger yet I'm able to make a one hole group with it in my little indoor range, but the Benjamin never seems to work as well. I even bought some aperture sights for it and they haven't helped much.
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anyone know where i cant get pellets for old brittish airguns? i have an old BSA, the pellets it uses is slitghty smaller than normal .25 pellets

help
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>>35153416
Get a custom mold and make your own.

Find some black powder lead in the right calibre.

Contact a pellet making company and ask if they can fill custom orders.

Drill the barrel out larger and get a barrel liner that will fit the calibre you want. (Idk what the twist rate is in air rifles but I'm sure you can get a liner or one made.)
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>>35153395

maybe it's the hold?
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>>35153607
Idk, maybe.

If this thread is still up tonight I'll try and shoot a group with it from a rest or something and post it here.
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I own an old Slavia 620 air rifle that is 40+ years old. Basic iron sight, had to change spring
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>>35153559
sounds expensive tho
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>>35149006
Then why post in an air gun thread?
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>>35153416
There's a few companies out there that make pellets for the old Imperial measurement. Marksman, Wasp, etc.
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>>35153704
Post pics please

>>35153978
Yep. Are you sure it's not a .22?

If you have a micrometer you can measure the bore diameter and search around the net for oddball pellets at that size.

I've never cast my own pellets but I imagine a mold wouldn't be super expensive. I think there's a bullet casting thread up right now if you want to ask them.
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>>35153371
>>35154931
What's wrong with you people? Do you really think airguns are any more than, at best, highly functional toys? Why would ANYONE spend $700 on some airtoy when they could buy an actual gun? How are people supposed to get into your retarded hobby if there's a minimum price point, below which you're not allowed to enter? Enjoy your toys and convince yourself that it's ok you didn't want a real gun anyways, Eurococks
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>>35155110

why would anyone buy an expensive bicycle, when you can buy a car for that much (a cheap, old car, but still)

why do olympic shooters spend thousands of dollars on their air rifles?

With a powder burner, you are limited as to where you can shoot it. With an air rifle, you are not (unless you are totally retarded about it). I have to go to a range if I want to shoot my pistol, but my air pistol, I can set up pretty much anywhere with 10m worth of space and a solid backstop.

Posting another picture, because why not.

Also - for pest control, air rifles are better than rim/centerfire rifles, since they can be safely used indoors, and other places.

There is a minimum price point for everything.
Sure, you can get a "wallmart special" for $100 with a scope, but don't expect to be hitting thumb tacks with it at 50m - a beer can at 15-20m is a more realistic target.

As to how people are supposed to get into the hobby - you can buy a very decent springer for around $200, put an $100 scope on it, and have fun for well below 700 bucks.

I shoot a $700 springer with $500 glass, which is a really high end, competition-level setup for HFT. If you want to get into FT, then you just have to accept the fact that are probably going to spend 2k+ on the gun, scope, air tank and accessories, etc.
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>>35155110
There's not a minimum price points; high end precision equipment costs more than cheap fun plinkers. I've got real guns, but I also enjoy shooting my air pistol. I can't go shooting my firearms in my backgarden or indoors. You know you can enjoy both, right? It's not a binary choice.
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>>35153704
I have a 613 that I utterly ruined. Not even remotely fireable after I got done with it as a dumb child and angry adult.

>>35154961
>Post pics please
The world is lousy with Slavias; they're fucking everywhere. They're incredibly cheap and honestly very very small. I have some modern Crosman thing now and it's like twice the size of my old Slavia.

>>35155110
>Why would ANYONE spend $700 on some airtoy when they could buy an actual gun?

a 700$ airgun performs only slightly under par of a similarly priced powder based gun in the same caliber, but is much cheaper to feed

a supersonic .177 or .22 air rifle is basically as much as a decent quality .22lr rifle anyway
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>>35148732
>and for pest control, the air rifle is king.
this
>cheap ammo
>easy to practice with
>trivially light
>high accuracy
>can still waste whatever bird or rodent you hate

>>35148679
if you pay more than 200$ for a ~400fps spring piston you're a retard. if you're getting into Real Firearm territory, yeah, the prices climb, but some stock standard .177 for plinking cans or wasting pigeons shouldn't break $150. in that price range, theyre literally all the same, just scaled slightly differently here or there.

>>35148627
because spring pistons are cheaper AND more accurate at that level of power

and CO2 guns are generally fun toy guns meant to fire semi if not full auto just for having fun (like that one HK-licensed bb MP5 that Umarex makes)

basically at that muzzle energy/velocity a spring piston gun is your best bet. its easy enough to cock but still very very accurate. only peasants need a second shot. you can get ~400/~500 fps repeating BB guns but theyre generally shit because
>BBs
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>>35155426
also
>BBs
>muh penetration
doesnt mean shit when its a difference of individual eighths of inches, against a fucking rabbit, that you shot in the fucking head
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>>35155447
Yes, actually. A BB will not do it properly as BB guns lack the muzzle velocity to kill anything.
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>>35155488
i feel like youre trying to b8 here

a BB gun CAN have sufficient muzzle velocity, bust most dont because of simple market forces and manufacturing costs; to make an accurate and powerful bb gun isnt much different from making an accurate and powerful pellet gun, but pellet guns already have the better rep for being accurate and powerful. but also, BBs are easier to feed through magazines, so repeating air rifles will tend to use BBs over pellets.

and in terms of accuracy, pellets are just better because a skirted pointed pellet has better aero than a ball and better engagement of the barrel's rifling than a ball.

BBs aren't objectively inferior but good luck finding a gun that was made for BBs that's as powerful as a pellet gun, just because pellets are so much better aerodynamically and most airgunners are concerned with accuracy over power, so most hunting airguns are made with pellets (or at least larger balls than BBs like .25 or .30) in mind

at the level of a 400-500fps canuck/euro "is literally a toy" airgun, people just want pellets because they just perform better at that level of power

theyre just as fast as an equivalent bb but have better accuracy, and the difference in power/energy-to-target/penetration is so minimal that the increased accuracy of a pellet is more valuable than the increased power of a BB

in larger PCP airguns for hunting hogs and shit, you see a lot more straight up musket balls because they feed easy and what you want is to drive 2 or 3 rounds through a hog's skull before it gores you because the first round just bothered it. but for hunting sparrows and squirrels, .177 pellet is better than 4.5mm ball because you're obliterating the thing's brain or lungs either way and shot placement matters more than energy delivery
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>>35155426
>if you pay more than 200$ for a ~400fps spring piston you're a retard.
>plinking cans


well hello there. This thing shoots airsoft BBs. from 30m.
With ease.


>>35148627

have you tried looking for some 7.5J 10m olympic precision rifle? They're quite expensive, but an older one, like a Walther LGM can be converted from PCA to PCP.
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>>35155584
>well hello there. This thing shoots airsoft BBs. from 30m.
we can't all afford high-end glass or to not be drunk all the time, okay

or to even go shooting often at all

>tfw inna city

i still havent even zeroed this piece of shit cuz i have nowhere to shoot it without getting arrested
;_;
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>>35155584
>>35155705
Stark contrast, but still
>Literally airshit
vs
>Literally airshit
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>>35153395
>Even after I cleaned the paint out of the muzzle (wtf Benjamin) it doesn't seem to hold very tight groups.
looks like that paint was structural. typical american construction desu
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>>35155756
what do you mean by "literally airshit vs literally airshit"

air rifles are not airsoft
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>>35155584
Depends on how much or if at all I can find it. I'd rather just get around to filing my Pal paperwork if I'm going to spend 700 for an airgun to convert it.

I'll probably just slap a bulk fill on my co2 and buy a compressor for a few hundred.
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>>35155756
GET OUT OF THIS THREAD PRICK. NAPOLEONS FORCES USED THE GIRANDONI AIR RIFLE AND SO DID LEWIS AND FUCKING CLARK

AIR GUNS ARE A PART OF AMERICAN AND WORLD HISTORY SO GO SUCK YOUR DADS COCK.

why come to a place just to be a cunt? Do you not have friends?
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Diana Model 34 .177 Leupold 3-9x33AO vxii. Vortec spring. Shoot about 1500-2000 rounds a year. I own "real" guns, but this is my favourite.
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>>35157007
>Wellies
>Dead squirrel
>Air gun

You couldn't make this picture more British.
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How do you guys get permission to shoot on farms and land if you don't know anyone that has either?
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>>35158454
Go around knocking on doors, worst they can say is no.
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>>35158595
well that's too uncomfortable to bother myself with.

ill stick to the woods i guess.




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