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How is your $1600+ AR superior to my $500 AR??
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>>35469219
wall
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>>35469219
From left to right and top to bottom.
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Doesn't matter, I could out shoot you with either.
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>>35469249
Front and back and side to side?
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mine is not airshit
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>>35469219
It feels better, looks better, shoots better and is less prone to malfunction. Similar to basically any machine that is manufactured with higher grade quality control, tolerances and materials.
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because its a mk18 and yours isnt
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>>35469219
Higher quality parts, shoots a lot better, better trigger, comfier furniture, and a few other things I'm forgetting
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>>35469219
>carbine gas
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>>35469265
>It feels better, looks better, shoots better and is less prone to malfunction
You're the same type of person that thinks they can feel the horsepower difference from a hot air intake on their Camry because it's superior K&N.
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>>35469306
>He thinks a mid length on his 16 inch barrel is better because it's different
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Mine has titanium innit and weighs under 5 lbs
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Mine is professional grade gear, yours is hobby grade. Theres nothing wrong with that though. Im a hobbiest as well, i just prefer more dependable gear and am willing to spend more to get it.
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Not much if you can shoot yours as good as I can shoot mine. A BCM is soooooo much better than the military shit though you should check one out. Other than that decent AR you got there.

Who's the squiggly niggy on the wall?
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>>35469353
>Mine is professional grade gear
Tell me about how you dress up in "operator" gear to go to the range once every 2 weeks.
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>>35469336
>he thinks his pergo floors.are just as good as reclaimed french Walnut
>hurrr you can walk on my just as good
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>>35469219
Is that a PSA freedom line? The barrels are garbage on those.
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>>35469336
Mid length gas was designed for 16 inch.
Carbine gas refers to the M4 and Colt Commando which were 14.5 and 11.5 inches respectively.
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>>35469354
Also get a rear flip up so if you ever need that triangle
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>>35469219
It's not. The AR market is weird right now. You can get a G2G AR for $500, and a Gucci G2G AR for $1200. They all do the same shit. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to justify their retarded purchase.
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>>35469309
>snek oil cold air intake
Vs
>higher quality parts, finishes, amd designs

Dang gurl.
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>>35469376
No gear. We're just talking about rifles.
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>>35469219
Simply put, it's more accurate and reliable
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$1600 rifle comes with a free sense of smug selfsatisfaction
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>>35469414
Even garbage like Anderson's shoot just fine, the issue is just like cars: it's the user 9/10. Enjoy your placebo effect.
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>>35469444
You really can't get more reliable than a no frills AR.

The more gucci crap, the less reliable it becomes.

No, your nickel teflon nitride gold plated BCG is not any better than a standard black phosphate carrier.
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>>35469473
No dawg it totally is and if I don't have a charging handle with infant foreskin grips I can't tell all the other Fudds at the range that I paid good money for dat der quality I tell you hwat.
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>>35469219
For starters I keep mine on safe when finger fucking it, especially while the magazine is in and the bolt is closed. Also I have a rear sight
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>>35469473
>The more gucci crap, the less reliable it becomes
fucking lol
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>>35469219
>Elvis Costello
Good taste my friend

As long as you're a good shot, your hardware is just a means to an end.

That said, you can't seriously argue that higher grade barrels, triggers, and functional accessories don't add to the capabilities of the shooter
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>>35469531
Go on, tell me. What parts can you swap out on a basic bitch milspec AR to make it more reliable?
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>>35469550
The entire rifle
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>>35469536
>you can't seriously argue that higher grade barrels, triggers, and functional accessories don't add to the capabilities of the shooter

Of course they do, but let's be fucking honest here. Unless you're some pro fucking shooter the M&P Sport II and the DD5 are going to shoot about the same. Just don't let the guy who spent 2k on his rifle and can't hit shit for dick at 200 yards once a blue moon know that, he might have to get on /k/ and shitpost about his purchase.
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>>35469219
What if your rifle was $1700 but got it for $1000?
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>>35469261
then I let thealpine play
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>>35469379
They aren't though. They're not top of the line, but there's nothing wrong with them.
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>>35469473
You ever heard of an AK
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>>35469607
I get better groups from my slr104, the barrels aren’t good but the rifle is fine otherwise.
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Mine has a pony stamped on it
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>>35469635
Well then you probably overpaid for it
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>>35469621
Yeah exactly. They are 2.5-3 MOA barrels. They aren't great but for a man sized target they will work fine. Most people just blast away at the range. It's not like they wear out faster than similar barrels.
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>>35469635
That's how you know it's a GENUINE AR15. Anything less is an imitation.
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>>35469219
It has a rear sight, for starters
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>>35469513
You must be some kinda fag
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>>35469473
>nickel boron isnt better
>literally requires 0 lube to function flawlessly
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2016
>Buy first AR
>BCM Recce 16" at about $1600
>Get a vortex 1-6x and a shitload of 855 ball since 1/7
>Get 3" groups at best at 100 yards, keymod rail literally shears at the bipod attachments during basic range use, weighs over 6lbs still, shit trigger and nothing fancy

2017
>Sell BCM rifle for $1500
>Buy troy QCB rifle with 1/8 twist at $800
>Get SSE trigger at $200
>Replaced stock with minimalist for $30
>Get completely better performance all around at $500 less
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>>35469567
reminds me of optics fags, lel.
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>>35469262
just realized i spent more on an airshit m4 in the 2000s than i did on a budget build this year.
fucking tokyomarui
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>>35469752
>actually buying Troy products
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>>35469748
nickel boron also chips apart and wears much faster.

t. NB bcg owner
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>>35469219
Better Ergonomics, higher mechanical accuracy, lower weight, more modularity, tighter tolerances, and it makes me look cool when I post in /ARG/.
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>>35469833
>makes me look cool when I post in /ARG/
No it doesn’t
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>>35469748
False. My NB-BCG short strokes a third of the time with steelcase when under-lubed.
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>>35469783
>wears
you mean fouling?
Also
>chips
get a better bolt.
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>>35469309
>LOL you fags waist so much money! try to justify spending $1000 more than I do!
>I can, It's made to higher standards, has tighter tolerances, and as a result I can tell it shoots better and has had less malfunctions, plus ergonomically and aesthetically it's nicer but that's just a plus
>WOW what a lying FAG you can't REALLY tell the difference because I said you can't, therefore winning me this argument
go to bed kid, It's a school night
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>>35469833
>more modularity
Hands down the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read here.
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>>35469867
How does it feel to get called out and angered so badly by a complete stranger who doesn't even know your name? Literally everything you just said can be applied to a 150 dollar K&N intake over a drop in stock filter. Congrats on being the gun world's version of that guy.
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>>35469866
i bought a daniel defense NB BCG, the thing has pieces flake off constantly and is chipping. I am not talking about fouling. they are a meme and i do not recommend them.
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>>35469870
>Hello I have a mental disability and am unaware of the existence of free-float M-lok and key-mod rail systems as I have only ever used drop-in handguards on my PSA carbine.
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How do the black nitride BCGs stack up in comparison to NiB and milspec?
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>>35469379
Elaborate
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>>35469923
You can put those on a cheap rifle you idiot. A more expensive rifle isn't more modular. The entire fucking platform is modular you dumb fucking anime poster.
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>>35469891
>don't even go to /o/ so have no idea what you're talking about
>not even the guy you replied to
>not mad, just pointing out your use of an ad hominem
>continuing to use an ad hominem against me because of my lack of knowledge of /o/ on /k/
Alright son, time to call it a night
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>>35469752
I bought a PSA 20" AR-15 (M-LOK), threw a 4x12 Voretex scope on it and I've shot under half inch groups at 100 yards. (Sighted in for 250 yards though)

>Pic Related.

The low one is the 3rd shot, I flinched like a little bitch on it. Also no bipod...

inB4 some /k/ommando bitches at me for not doing 10 shot groups.
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Mine is custom fitted to my tastes and needs.
I wanted a 20'' barrel that can run .223 Wylde.
I wanted the Gibbz upper with a side charger.
I wanted the shoulder thing that goes up that has the level in it.
Therefore, FOR ME, it is superior to yours. If yours is suited to your tastes and needs, then it is superior to mine FOR YOU.
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>>35469309
You best be backin off that cold air intake bro, that shit does increase throttle response, if not power, by a noticeable amount.
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>>35469923
The ar15 is a very modular platform. Having better shit swapped in means you're making use of modularity. It doesn't give you more modularity by spending more money.
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One of my ARs was $1200, the other was $2000. There is very little noticeable difference between them, except the expensive one is prettier to look at (though weighs slightly more).
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>>35469457
>nickel boron is a placebo effect
>objectively better triggers are a placebo effect
>objectively better gas lengths
>objectively better ergos
>objectively better weight

Please, the reliability may be negligible but the usability is not.

Shit cleaing time alone on Ni-B is worth it, have fun scraping carbon off your shitty bolt carrier.
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Sure has been a surge of
>this cheap version of thing I own is just as good as the more expensive version of thing YOU own!
dipshittery lately...
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>>35470126
It’s just the classic tale of poorfags vs richfags
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>>35470122
How is nickel boron actually beneficial? I bought one for my build because I like the color and it was on sale.
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>>35469219
Cerakote Anime scenes

(JK, I am straight and non-spergers).

>>35470048
.223 Wylde isn't a cartridge. Watch Faxon InRange video to learn why 5.56 chamber is fine, and .223 Wylde is for bench sled guns.
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>>35469567
Unless you are a Formula 1 racer, you will not enjoy driving a 911 more than a honda
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>>35469717
No just giving OP some advice, considering he's pointing a firearm at his parents room
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>>35470126
rationalizing poverty is impossible, because poverty implies a lack of opportunity, skill, and intelligence. Instead, the majority of the poor justify their poverty by claiming products are "just as good."

The real kicker: if some poor fuck can squander $500 on a "frugal AR," they're not actually poor. They are just bad at long term planning and impulse control.
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>>35470322

False equivalency. An apt metaphor would be an accord vs an accord with an exotic body kit and accessories
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>>35469219

Cause it's dope as fuck.
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>>35469550
Well a carbine length gas tube is milspec, so lets start with that and put in a midlength barrel and gas tube. While we're at it, lets get a chrome lined CHF barrel, which has a vastly improved life span and requires less cleaning. Not to mention it'll be more accurate.

We can also put in a free float handguard, quadrail, mlok, or keymod, pick your poison, they won't melt and will be better for barrel harmonics.

Next let's use a LMT enhanced bolt which is basically indestructible and ejects more reliably than a milspec bolt.

We can also add in a h2 buffer and a flat wire spring to reduce felt recoil and reduce that annoying twang sound from cycling the weapon.

We can also put in a geiselle trigger that will significantly reduce pull weight and make the trigger smoother, at the same time the hammer will swing woth more force, which reduces the chance of light strikes on hard primers.

Oh and lets slap a muzzle brake on it instead of a simple flash hider. It will reduce recoil by 60-70%.
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>>35469605
Are you bumpin new shit by NWA?
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>buy 500 dollar del-ton 20 inch rifle lightweight
>get superior rifle than all these stupid ass ar15's i see all the time

lmfao
20" master race. Best gas system, most reliable, longest lifespan, smoothest action, best on-target ballistics.
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>>35469219
Mine wasn't 1600 dollars, but it looks way cooler than yours
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>>35470474
>i don't notice the differences so nobody else does
you see, what you posted would actually be the false equivalency
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>>35469265
but... those are all subjective except "shoots better"
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>>35470126
Check out the thread bitching about aimpoints being too expensive for some real poorfag salt
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>>35469219
>How is your $1600+ AR superior to my $500 AR??
The very fact that I don't have to justify a poverty ridden lifestyle makes me, and by extension, my firearm, vastly superior to you and yours.

And my AR is $3000+
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>>35469341
I'm digging dat scalarworks, niggah.
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Norinco makes the best budget AR.
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>>35470546

>CHF chrome lined barrel
>More accurate

Nah
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>>35470509
This is the only correct answer so far
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>>35469219
My rifle is only about 1.2K, but I have a better charging handle, a better and lighter rail, my optics don't have to co witness with a POS FSB that I hate seeing block up half my red dot, My grip angle is better, I have a stock that gives a better cheek weld, My trigger pull is probably smoother and lighter, I have a little doodad that makes locking my bolt back easier, dropping it easier, a way to mount a light without zipties, AND, I'm not running a fucking pro mag piece of shit piss collector.
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>>35469473
>meme carriers
>not flat black nitride, which is harder than normal steel, molecularly attached to the normal steel like another piece of steel, smoother than Phosphate, and sheds carbon like water off a ducks back

Milspec is outdated and overrated.
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>>35469964
>calls me a dumb anime poster
>posts an anime meme

Literally eat paint chips you dumb nigger.
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>>35469473
>your nickel teflon nitride gold plated BCG is not any better than a standard black phosphate carrier.
you sure about that? Why are the new Euro AR pattern guns running on thin film lubricant/high tech coatings, then?
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>>35470794
What is your rifle? I'm about to bid on either a Colt Law Enforcement model or a POF I'm seeing in an auction for my first AR and am curious about your setup.
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Since you are too uneducated to have chosen a midlength gas system for a 16" barrel, I think you will fail to understand the importance of good parts tight tolerances.

Like feeding jam to pigs, pic related is a valuable input but you will not care for it and dismiss it as OP is and will always be a faggot.
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>>35470176
Its got a way better friction coefficient than standard phosphate, its way easier to clean, and its more corrosion and wear resistant than phosphate.
Its a little bit better than nitriding but nitride isnt a coating so it cant chip like a shitty Ni-B bcg.

Also dont listen to the retards saying to not use lubricant, everything is better with lube.
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>>35470888
I built it, actually. I got help from a pro for some of the "hard" stuff, like mounting the GB on the barrel with a specific type of set screw that binds in there, but other than that, and knowing what I know now I could do the same build for a bit less I think.

Basically, If you want to buy a raifu off the shelf that's fine, just make sure the trigger ain't bad, and switch the faggy milspec charging handle that feels like it will break if you sneeze on it out for a BCM with an extended latch, or some kinda ambi option. That's about $50, sometimes more like $40.

Then get yerself a SOPMOD stock. another $50, sometimes less. Then a Magpul K2 or something with a similar angle. Another $30 bucks, sometimes less though. If you're willing to get bit messy and pissed off and have punch pins for armoring your AR15 (which you should get anyway DESU, also a small brass mallet) then you can go full TISM and knock out your milspec BHO and replace it with a Strike industries. That's about $20 without tools.

Final little bit to make it run real good is switch out milspec buffer for something like an H or even an H2 if you go a bit shorter. I have a 14.5" pinned and I went with an H2 drop in and my gun runs reliable as with milspec, but recoils much more gently. That's around $60.

So basically I realized that if I built my gun I'd be getting that feature set without the added cost of throwing away perfectly good parts.

My gun did cost around $1.2K, after all that shit and an optic, but I think it's still very much going to run with a "Big Dog" like an LMT and a Noveske in terms of practical shooting ability. Basically I'm just saying I think that building for $1.2K is the optimal cost efficiency zone.


As for your two choices, Colt is good as a basic bitch kinda gun, but POF has more feature set. I guess it really depends what you wanna do. I don't want to scare you off with technical crap. ARs are dead simple. Anything else you wanna ask?
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>>35469923
there is literally nothing wrong with an m4 style handguard and fixed front sight post.
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>All this talk about coatings
>Now I want to get the inside of my barrels DLC coated
Why is this not already a thing?
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>>35471076
Negative effects on accuracy. People do it with pistols barrels because tolerances matter a lot less with pistols IG. Or because they're retards, IDK which.
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>>35469567
Dd5 is in 308, you stupid fuck
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>>35471106
>Typical DLC coating thickness is 1-4 microns
>That's .00004" to .00016"
How tight are your fucking tolerances that that's a problem?
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Holosun is just as good as Aimpoint and there is literally nothing you can do to disprove this.
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>>35469219
Who decorated your apartment (basement/room), a sales associate at Walmart with a budget of $50?
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>>35471050
It would be something I plink/eventually set up to SHTF with so basic bitch base is fine for me now. Given what you've said and the fact that what I'd want to swap out with a stock gun is mainly the trigger, of the two guns I'm interested in it sounds like the Colt would be better for my purposes. While it's piston, the POF is in .308, and that ammo is unlikely to be as plentiful as 5.56 anyway.

Pic related, that's the Colt.
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>>35469513
> doesn't store with the hammer down using a snapper to relieve stress on the hammer and firing pin springs
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>>35469424
Not him. But good answer anon. With all his responses to solid points, he's clearly either trolling, looking to get a rise, or both.
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>>35471169
Yeah, that's pretty much fine for basically anything you'd wanna do in terms of plinking and a pretty good start.

ALG makes a couple of decent ones that are pretty budget. If you have expendable cash and are willing to get something that looks a bit gaudier, KE Arms and Trigger Tech Triggers both have options in the $100 range. So does Hiperfire I think.

Also. The three main things recced the most for a SHTF/HD carbine are, in order of priority (IMO)
>A light
>A sling
>An optic

Consider that you're gonna have to change a few things to mount most of those on yer gun. You can definitely work it as is, but you might have to make compromises around your stock parts.

Also, for real, even a $20 B5 grip with a steeper angle will generally feel more natural in the hand (IMO) than the stock A2. It's kinda like a Glock VS 1911 angle kinda deal. You might like one better than the other but it's $20 and a screw driver to find out. or go find an LGS with an example. As for the stock, I'm serious, MilSpec stocks suck ass.

>>35471145
well, to save words because I'm long posting
>high pressure rifle barrel + diamonds = no coating internally after 200 rounds
>pistol barrels are moving parts that need more lube than non-moving rifle barrels
>pistols usually have a stock coating on the barrel or are stainless so when the DLC wears off you don't really notice at all anyway
>there'd be no real point to it because it would just be on the outside of a non-moving part

Also, pistols don't usually get measured for MOA at 100 yards+, rifles do
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>>35469219
>2017
>owning gARbage
kys yourself
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>>35471368
Let's be real, OPs Rifle is probably perfectly serviceable, it's just not optimal. He has the Hi-Point of ARs. It will run and shit, but it's fuck ugly and we all know he could do better for not much more money.
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>>35471223
Fuck off retard.
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>>35471320
>Diamonds are susceptible to damage from high pressure and erosion from copper jackets
What the fuck am I reading?
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>>35471368
How do I upvote this?
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>>35471431
Kys
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>>35470546
Oh Jesus. You're so full of shit I don't even know where to start. None of that will make your rifle more reliable.

>so lets start with that and put in a midlength barrel and gas tube.
Midlength gas will run more smoothly, not any more reliable. One could argue that the increased carrier speed from carbine length gas will feed more reliably.
>While we're at it, lets get a chrome lined CHF barrel, which has a vastly improved life span and requires less cleaning.
Not related to reliability.
>Next let's use a LMT enhanced bolt which is basically indestructible and ejects more reliably than a milspec bolt.
Where is the data that this is any more reliable than a milspec Carpenter 158 bolt? The only commercially available bolt that's demonstrably more reliable is a KAC E3, which isn't in the same category as a typical gay gucci AR-15 build.
>We can also put in a free float handguard, quadrail, mlok, or keymod, pick your poison, they won't melt and will be better for barrel harmonics.
Accuracy is not reliability. And glass-filled nylon is more heat resistant than is necessary. Non-issue.
>We can also add in a h2 buffer and a flat wire spring to reduce felt recoil and reduce that annoying twang sound from cycling the weapon.
Not even going to bother. You're a fool.
>We can also put in a geiselle trigger that will significantly reduce pull weight and make the trigger smoother, at the same time the hammer will swing woth more force, which reduces the chance of light strikes on hard primers.
"I replaced my trigger group bcuz light primer strikes" said no one ever.
>Oh and lets slap a muzzle brake on it instead of a simple flash hider. It will reduce recoil by 60-70%.
Not related to reliability.
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>>35471427
After the bullet passes by, dummy. That's when there's the highest pressure. Diamonds can combust. It's a structure of pure carbon, no matter how hard it is, once you heat it up in a high pressure and high oxygen environment it will burn.

And yes, Just because it's hard doesn't mean it's immune to erosion. Nitride is harder than steel, and a few thousand rounds of copper FMJ will eventually erode it out. Funny how that works, huh?
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>>35471513
>KAC E3
Neat, didn't know about that.

Overgassing causes increased parts wear and reduces surface life on working surfaces. That was the whole reason people came up with mid length systems. Arguing that "carbine" is more reliable in feeding is inaccurate because midlength is optimally designed to have the correct gas for that barrel length. It would be like making your car more reliable by putting spikes in the tires. It might stick better, but holy fuck, the roads my dude. Carbine gas on a 16" barrel will objectively reduce parts service life and increase wear.

Arguing that the other benefits to more expensive parts aren't a mention because they don't increase reliability is silly as well. They do objectively good things like reduce recoil. Lighter trigger pulls are a bit more complex, but they generally actually benefit accuracy by simply making it so you have to move less muscle to make the gun go bang, meaning less of the gun moves, meaning tighter groups.

As for the handguard, yeah, a milspec handguard is basically fine, but they do get quite toasty compared to a free floated aluminum handguard after a few mags.

BTW, if you thinking the ease of cleaning a part and service life of a part aren't related to how reliable that part will be once you add in human factors, you're just being autistic. The fact that it's easier to clean means it will, in field conditions, be more readily serviceable.

Everything he listed was an advantage (except perhaps the LMT bolt, don't know enough about that one desu) but you moved the goalposts senpai
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>>35469219

Quit trying to justify being poor.

>muh DD build
>muh Geissele trigger
>muh Geissele MK14
>muh grip pod VFG bipod
>muh Lothar Walther heavy barrel
>muh ACOG
>muh Troy tritium flip ups
>muh Mystic Black BCG
>muh Magpul Sling
>muh Blackhills 77 gr OTM matchking ammo

Feels good, poorfags.
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>>35471584

You forgot to mention your expensive charging handle, therefor your entire post is invalid.
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>>35471584
>geissele trigger
>not a flat trigger tech

I see you have OK taste. Good taste in ammo, at least.
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>>35471584
>>35471427

To be clear I'm not saying PVD/DLC processes are useless on rifles, just that they'd be much better on a BCG like the one mentioned here, which seems to use a DLC esque coating.
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>>35470197
What video is it? They are all long as fuck
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>>35471575
The LMT bolt is similar in quality to the KAC but both are going to be pricey. LMT uses a different style of gas rings, angle cut lugs, dual extractors, and their own propitiatory coating. It's nice but more of a want.
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>>35471593

I forgot to mention my Surefire, too. ; _;
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>>35471436
I gave you an upvote do you see it yet?
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>>35469353
>Mine is professional grade gear, yours is hobby grade
Actually lold. You are a fag.
> guy who only owns 870
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>>35471712
Kys
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>>35469219
Its made of ground up, cold hammered children bone, screams in agony in 30 different voices when fired, starts setting holy objects on fire if theyre within a 5' radius, whispers terrible things to me all night no matter how far away it is, made a Native American man travel halfway accross the US to tell me face to face to destroy the rifle then he started bleeding from the eyes while I could hear muffled laughing coming from my gun safe, etc...

It doesn't really fire bullets I pull the trigger at something and it just fast ages into skeleton. That's how the rifle I bought with 1600 pineal glands is different from yours.
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>>35469412
>It's not. The AR market is weird right now. You can get a G2G AR for $500, and a Gucci G2G AR for $1200. They all do the same shit. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to justify their retarded purchase.


The generation that were applefanboys is growing up I see. Except for the retarded ones. There is the biggest oversupply in human history of one gun model. The AR. They will never, ever do anything but depreciate. A premium AR is just like the latest Iphone. Worth fuck all in four years.
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>>35469219
How is your 500 dollar ar superior to me 70 dollar ar
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>>35471817
Ar soft doesn’t count
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>>35469219
not an ar but i can make people mad simply by owning my $1600 dollar tavor x95 on the internet. Usually only get compliments irl but its literally a (you) magnet on the chinz
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>>35469219

For one thing it has a BIUS.
And a light.
And mags that don't suck ass.
And a FF rail.
And chrome lining.
And QC that doesn't suck.
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>>35471822
Fite me
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>>35471817
>>35471872

I am scared and confused
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>>35471913
What
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>>35471924
>$70 AR15

unless of course that was just a meme
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>>35471817
>color fill
>sightmark
>bad lever

Confirmed douche
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>>35471872
Fancy airsoft
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>>35469752
>Get 3" groups at best at 100 yards
>855 ball

What the fuck did you expect from m855?
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>>35471975
Some people are under the impression that 855 is a gucci round
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>>35471953
>thinking I'm ganna spend 600 dollars on a eotech when my shooting consits of hitting 2x5 steel targets at 50 yards
>not spending a dollar to turn your ar from pleb to Gucci
And yea I just got the bad lever to be a tacticool cunt it goes well with my Wal-Mart bipod and 40 round mags
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>>35471969
Thanks bby
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>>35471950
What is classified as a gun and can be bought for 70 dollars
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>>35472009
So you bought a reciever, then built a gun that cost you how much?
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>>35472018
500 cause its a different lower :^)
>>35471995
Scatch that I didn't pay a dollar I just stole some of my moms nail polish
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>>35471953
desu I had one of those Sightmark red dot things a while back, and for 75 bucks (got it on sale) it was a really good little sight. Ugly as sin, but it had a bunch of different reticle modes, held a zero, was accurate as fug at 25 and 50 years, and the quick detach lever never got loose or shitty.
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>>35472030
I paid fifty for mine and it broke apart like loose muddy shit. Because it was.
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>>35471779
Huh, normal ARs don't typically do that. Who's the manufacturer and what's the model designation?
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>>35471684
>LMT uses a different style of gas rings
My LMT bolt seems to have normal mil-spec gas rings
> dual extractors
Only one, but it's a fancy lobster tail one.
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>>35469219
buis
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>>35472114
He might've meant that bolt that has the double ejectors that I've seen somewhere
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>>35472114
I have the .308 bolt. Those were my observations
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>>35471050
>Final little bit to make it run real good is switch out milspec buffer for something like an H or even an H2 if you go a bit shorter. I have a 14.5" pinned and I went with an H2 drop in and my gun runs reliable as with milspec, but recoils much more gently. That's around $60.
I want to ghetto-mod an AR-15 to be buffer-tube-less by sawing the BCG in half and rigging recoil springs in the space that I gained in the back half of the upper from doing so.
Yay/nay?
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>>35472181
You'd have to be careful to avoid blocking the hammer.... You'd also need some really strong fucking springs. Not sure you'd find one that really did it right. I mean, Faxon basically did that, but they had to make the reciever taller and add several springs to make it run, and it definitely wouldn't go so good with a shorter (and therefore higher pressure gas system) barrel assembly.... which IMO defeats the point of no buffer tube.
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>>35472193
I was going to do it on an Adams Arms AA-15 piston AR. I used to be a German conscript and I want to basically recreate a G36 in the guts of an AR-15
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>>35469219

Because it's mine, built to my tastes, and not yours.

Also mine is suppressed and runs flawlessly with sup and supersonic, the trigger is also one of the best on the market.

I, along with everyone else, don't care what you spent on your rifle.
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>>35469219
Because I built it and put an optic that didn't get made in China on it.
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>>35472203
Yeah, that's basically what the Faxon Upper is. You could probably DIY it but I'd be damn worried about blowing up your upper. Not literally, but you could smash up your BCG pretty good. I'd definitely look into springs very carefully... you're gonna have to do math too my dude.
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>>35470595
Less grit and tighter tolerances will make the weapon a lot more pleasant to handle. Looks may be subjective, but you have way more options available to you if you're willing to spend. And reliability is not subjective.
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>>35472224
I got the idea from looking into the OA-93 AR pistol, which is so crudely made it baffles but amazes me. You watched that Forgotten Weapons video? They literally got a milspec bolt and cut it in half with a cut so crude it looked to be made with an angle grinder. They used nested springs also, three of them.
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>>35469949
Better in nearly every way. Higher lubricity, better surface hardness, easier to clean (in my opinion), and generally cheaper. Would recommend cryptic coatings black nitride bcg (don't bother with the other over the top gucci coatings) or aero precision's nitride bcg.
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>>35472261
>>35469949
Toolcraft nitride isn't bad either. Not super awesome top gucci tier shit, but it's pretty good as a quality budget option.

>>35472237
I've never seen that but holy shit that gives me some perspective. I thought they also added another spring over the top as part of that wierd cocking tube assembly?
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>>35472284
>. I thought they also added another spring over the top as part of that wierd cocking tube assembly?
I think that was just some kind of reset spring for the cocking handle. I can't see that part working to absorb the recoil.
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>>35472284
toolcraft nitride bcg's ARE cryptic coating bcg's. They're the same thing.
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>>35472299
I'd have to take another look at it, it's been years since I've seen a picture of one
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>>35472320
>>35472284
Okay, hold on, I just re-checked, it's not actually correct, it doesn't have any nested springs, it only has the one in the upper charging handle doing anything. I must have confused that from watching too many Forgotten Weapons videos, must have been from another gun. So if I saw the BCG in half, what I'd need to do is insert a reset/recoil spring somehow without blocking off the funcion of the hammer. Hmm.
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>>35472330
Yeah, I've seen a DIY version of it. It's not pretty. But it is doable. You could always just make an original AR type/FAMAS cocking handle setup and stick a spring behind it. It would look strange but I think you could adapt it to your purposes. Pretty sure Nodak makes a clone upper. I think.
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>>35469776
Those aftermarket metal kits tho. Some for reals look nicer then the real thing.
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>>35472343
Actually, given that I'm thinking about recreating the G36, I was considering milling open the upper quarter of the upper lengthwise and welding on a repro of the G36 charging handle onto the BCG.
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>>35469309
>pushing more oxygen into fuel mix doesn't affect any engine performance
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>>35472365
That could give you some room to add in some springs, I guess. Would let you bypass the issues of having your CH getting hung up on a spring. You could probably stick a spring basically on an L shaped adapter on the back of your cut BCG that puts a big ass spring in the usual CH track and that would do it.
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>>35472412
I had the idea to have the spring fastened at the threaded end of the buffer tube with some kind of plug. So the disassembly would go
>fold aside folding stock
>unthread plug and remove spring
>then pop apart lower and upper and take the gun to pieces
Which is coincidentially again exactly how the G36 comes apart, just without threading something.
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>>35472075
>>35472075
There isn't really a manufacturer since, according to what it said, there was never a time when it didn't exist in one guise or another.

And as far as model designations go there's some runes on the side that are illegible. I mean, every time I look at the runes straight on i just see ever shifting shapes.
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>>35471975
>>35471988
Had the BCM pre-xm855 peak. Can't afford to shoot ammo more than ~30 cents a round and most good 5.56 seems to be 50 cents plus. I now shoot wolf 62 out of my Troy and I get 1-2" groups in a much better feeling rifle, with more consistency
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>>35472374
CAI don't increase oxygen in the fuel mix, but lmao for being stupid enough to think that.
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The real answer is, if you have a better performing rifle then you can perform better.

However, if you suck your rifle will only help you suck.
I believe it's best to build an entry grade rifle, shoot it a ton to git gud. Once you've gotten 2-5k rounds down range you'll have an educated understanding on what you want your rifle to do, and how to improve it.
Then you dump money more informed while upgrading your platform.
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>>35469662
I'm curious how many of you people claiming the freedom barrels suck reload? My nephew built his first rifle on the cheap with PSA stuff and while it's accuracy was meh with 55gr wolf brass, I shot a one hole 5 round group at 50yds with magpul BUIS using a tried and true 69gr SMK load.
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>>35470551
It was Gangsta Gangsta at the top of the list.
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>>35473382
Someone actually gets it. Mall ninjas who spend 3k on an AR to take pictures of and brag about at the range should die.
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>>35472374
Dawg, you know what the MAF and O2 sensors do in a car?

You know fuel is metered and ignition timing is not constant, right?
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Can anyone recommend some best bang for your buck M4 mounted lights?

Mostly for home defense.
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>>35473791
Buy an LED light from aliexpress at a price point of like 10 bucks and then getchaself some zipties
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>>35469219
It looks cooler.
Is there any other reason necessary?
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>>35469867
>waist
>waste

Kill yourself after you go shoot up the shitty public school that "taught" you proper grammar.
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>>35473791
What game is this?
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>>35473791
Some of the cheaper Surefire lights like the 6PX are really good.
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>>35469219
We get it, you're excited that you got your first AR. Now go shoot it instead of shitposting.
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>>35469219
Mine doesn't have to live in a house with "ART"
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>>35469219
Typically weight and reliability. Weight is a huge part of stuff in the high-end. Your dollar to performance ratio gets shittier the more dollars you spend, but high end shit is all about ergonomics.

Same as anything else.
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>>35469219
>boasting about being poor

Do you also do this in real life?
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>>35470839
>tells someone to eat paint chips
>too stupid to realize that a free float or lolquad rail can be put on a shitty del-ton providing the same "modularity"
I bet you could tell him what lead based paint tastes the best
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>>35474135
>B-but if I bring up a point that wasn't even relevant to his argument, that means I'm right and I win!

Gas yourself my guy
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>>35472237
I've seen that. You could also just buy an MCX if you want a modern buffer less AR
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I can sell it for more, and in the case of your particular AR, mine is lighter, more accurate, better ergonomics, and possibly even more reliable.

That said there are 600~ dollar ARs that are just as good as my overpriced AR but idk man sometimes you just wanna gucci
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>>35474150
>B-but if I bring up a point that wasn't even relevant to his argument, that means I'm right and I win!
>Better Ergonomics, higher mechanical accuracy, lower weight, more modularity
>more modularity

What part wasn't part of the(your) original argument?
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>>35469867

>OP has a rifle

it means he's at least 18, fella.
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>>35469219
OP, thank you for this thread. I love seeing all these triggered Daniel Defense and BCM faggots.
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>>35474156
Fuck that, I want a custom DIY rifle. I'm not studying engineering to just pay money to get my stuff. I get to try for myself and fuck up nice and good!
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>>35469341

Parts list?
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This argument is basically
>why would anyone spend more than a hundred dollars on a 45
>hipoints functional literally the same as a USP45 or Kimber 1911
>you cannot debate that, it is FACT
>Cry more you saps, I'm the real winner here

But at the end of the day, you still have a hi point
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>>35469219

It probably isn't to any meaningful degree when it comes to practical use, but I just enjoy quality and have disposable income.
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>>35474261
That's not a correct summery of the arguments. There comes a certain points where dollar spent per actual value suffers under diminishing returns. A Gucci three grand AR isn't providing a linear value per dollar compared to a mid level one grand AR.
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>>35474298
also correct summary not correct season
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>>35470645

And yet we have containment threads specifically so people can justify overspending on their rifle. So go ahead and turn your trip back on and fuck off back to where you being
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>>35474298
And a Dan Wesson revolver isn't that much more functional than a Taurus but I'd much rather own one rather than the other
Both have a four inch barrel and are chambered in .357 magnum, both hold six shots, both are made of metal
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>>35474176
>at the end of the day you just wanna gucci

That's really the best answer here
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About an $800 build has a light, 16inch MLOK, pencil profile mid length, knock-off surefire muzzle brake, MFT stock, hogue grip, Magpul handstop, vortex strikefire 2. Need to install my BUIS. But yah fuck any AR over 1k.
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>>35474490
We aren't talking about functional, we are talking about dollar per value received. While Taurus revolvers are better than other offerings, they are still garbage. If you want Gucci then just say you want Gucci, but don't pretend you're somehow getting vastly increased quality over mid level gear that doesn't have the name painted on the product.
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>>35474644
>DW revolvers are only slightly better than Taurus
Thus thread is something else.
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>>35474666
That's not what I said at all, you're obviously retarded and think price and value are a linear increase and thus can't tell the difference between comparing the bottom of the barrel hi-point and a Kimber vs comparing something mid level like a 92FS and a Kimber.
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>>35469219

It has a rear sight, to begin with, and came with a mag, furniture, gas, barrel and BCG that aren't shit.
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>>35474666
the poor are misguided
please guide them to eternal hellfire Satan
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>>35474706
>l-linear increase!
You're autistic.
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>>35469336
>manufacturers change the barrel length of the civilian carbine for legal purposes
>keep the gas length the same because you can cut costs by reusing parts already being made en masse for the M4
>HAHAHA FAGGOT YOU THINK YOU SOME KIND OF SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE FOR HAVING THE PROPER GAS LENGTH FOR YOUR BARREL LENGTH
This is how you sound.
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>>35474298
>per actual value
Thus is so subjective and nebulous that your point is worthless
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>>35474768
>thus
This*, fucking second time with this fucking phone
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>>35474758
Pssst, you over paid for garbage because you're a shit consumer and fall for hype.
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>>35469336
Midlength gas on 16" is objectively ideal for the barrel length, and is renowned for its soft shooting. If you want to be really blown away, midlength on 14.5 is even better.
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>>35474780
>you overpaid
The rallying cry of the povertyfag.
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>>35469867
>>35474766
>>35469982
tfw you're so retarded you can easily be identified by your mad typing
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>>35474778
You do know you can delete posts, right?
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>>35474803
>Y-Y-YOU'RE JUST POOR I DIDN'T MAKE ANY MISTAKES

https://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/05/19/fanboyism-and-brand-loyalty/
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>>35474805

Protip: if you try to look clever by pointing out a samefag and fail, it has the exact opposite effect.
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Can anyone recommend some backup irons to put on my Colt Trooper with an Eotech 512?

Also not sure about what witness to use or if I should go 45 degree.

For home defense. Pls no bully
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I'm always hearing about S&W and Ruger, but are are some other affordable manufacturers?
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>>35474123
He's not boasting about being poor. He's genuinely curious why a more expensive AR is better. And it's mostly just about quality control at the factory and higher quality parts.
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>>35474997
Troy
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>>35470894
How is the extra pressure offset in pistols? heavier spring? Are there no 16 inch barrels with rifle length gas holes? Why are people mentioning mid-length over rifle length?
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>>35474181
My fucking point was that you were laughing at me for allegedly liking anime (that shit is trash btw) while using a fucking anime meme in the post, you dense motherfucker.
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>>35469341
The FDE is throwing me off a little but I love that stock, optic and mount and pencil barrels get me thicc so well done
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>>35475062
This post reeks of reddit
OUT
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>>35475062
Holy shit you're a moron
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>>35470509
A1s with round handguards are such sex
Top taste, anon
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>>35475062
>4chanu.com
>anime is trash btw
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>>35469309
It's more like feeling the difference between a v6 Mustang and a Mustang GT350
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>>35473098
Actually it does. Cold air is more dense than hot air
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Poorfag rage thread?

Poorfag rage thread.
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>>35475168
>Bro I can totally feel the 5 hp the manufacturer claimed I would get
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Stay mad poorfags
Notice how is Richags don't start this shit
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>>35469445
>Having to spend money to have smug self-satisfaction
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>>35475168
>Cold air is more dense than hot air
Yes it is. But the reality is the heat soaked pipe pulling marginally cooler air from a wheel well or under the car usually ends up providing hotter air than many stock intakes. It's not uncommon to lose power with an after market intake. By the time you actually mitigate the other variables for a gain you've wasted so much money for a few additional horsepower it becomes a joke.
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>>35475248
I'm stating a fact. Not attesting to if you can feel a difference or not
Now go back to studying for your GED
>>35475285
Post proofs
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>>35471829
>but its literally a (you) magnet on the chinz
Something something muh israel butthurt
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>>35475270
No, you just start ARG threads and shitpost anyone that doesn't have the same gucci parts you have.
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>>35471522
>few thousand rounds will wear out nitride

Citation needed dipshit.
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>>35475301
>post proofs
http://dailyderbi.com/cold-air-intakes-dont-work/
Basically only when the filter was mounted directly in front of the car did they get a gain. This is not at all practical and comes with other issues. Even then they made less than 5 additional horsepower.
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>>35474563
Where'd you get that rug?
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>>35475180
>>35475125
>>35475125
>>35475161

Holy shit, it's really easy to trigger this board.
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>>35475415
You just keep fucking up. You can't even link the right posts.
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>>35475062
:^)
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>>35475044
When people build ar pistols and SBRs they will use adjustable gas blocks, heavy buffers and heavier springs.

Rifle length systems are great but only available in 18 and 20 inch barrels, there is not enough dwell time if the gas port is moved closer to the muzzle.

Early gas operated firearms experimented with their gas ports or traps near the muzzle before they realized that this design is unreliable with changes in ammunition and temperature.
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>>35475038

Thanks. Should I put those on top to cowitness with the Eotech 512 or hang em at a 45 degree angle?
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>>35469219
It isn’t. M4s cost the govt a little more than $600 to have built, spending anymore for a semiauto clone is unjustifiable.
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>>35469336
>doesn’t spend the extra money to get an 18” barrel with a rifle length gas system.
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>>35475631
>18" barrel
Oh Im laffin
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>>35474234
From front to back:
V Seven titanium A2
Faxon 16” .233 Wylde gunner barrel
Faxon lopro gas block
Some parts bin gas tube
Midwest Industries 12” lightweight G3 rail
Some milspec upper (can’t remember the make but it was cheap)
A forward assist buttplug I made myself out of thermoplastic
Tegra Arms polymer lower (this alone cut almost a pound from the gun vs a forged lower)
Faxon nitrided bolt, serialized to the barrel
PSA bolt carrier
Strike Industries dust cover
A2 grip (filed off the nub)
V Seven titanium grip screw
Titanium takedown pins
Aluminum QD end plate
Aluminum castle nut
Ruger aftermarket trigger, model no escapes me but it came with a free plastic trainer
MRO red dot
Battlearms Devlopment mount
MFT Minimalist stock

It’s probably close to the lightest 16” AR out there with a full weight bcg/unrestricted gas, collapsible stock, and non-carbon fiber handguard.”
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R8 my AR.
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>>35475895
I mean the lower cut almost a third pound from the gun (milspec lower doesn’t even weigh a full pound lol)
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>>35469265

unless you have actual evidence for this, i bet it fucking doesn't.
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>>35475962
Very nice looking.
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>>35475962

Literal trash.
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>>35475540
This
If OP free floated his barrel then it would be basically on par withs expensive rifles. A middy gas system only makes a small difference, maybe a couple extra hundred rounds before the gun is too dirty to function. Everything else like furniture is just creature comfort. I personally think optics are completely separate from how the rifle itself functions.
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>>35475962
Practical, room for improvement, no gimmick rice shit.

Would shoot with
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>>35476057

Why :(
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>>35476134

Car stocks on 20" look like the rifle has Down's no matter what syrup niggers say.
Pic-mounted carry handles are the epitome of mental retardation, and so are rail sections on A2 hg.
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Hey guise AR's aren't gud anyway
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>>35476166

>Pic-mounted carry handles are the epitome of mental retardation

In what way is it worse than other irons?

And the rail sections are lighter weight than full rails.
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>>35470122
>buy used XM15E2S for $600
>'clean' it every 2k rounds (wipe carrier, jam brush into the action and barrel)
>No malfunctions
Once you get an AR running it will not jam unless you make it, no matter what it is or how much it cost.
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>>35476260
>In what way is it worse than other irons?

Weighs about five times as much as the next heaviest non-carry-handle rear sight.
Only allows for completely fucktarded optic mounting because it eats up all rail estate.
Can't even be reasonably used as a carry handle because the actual space where you're supposed to fit your hand is too narrow due to the extra space reserved for the picatinny rail, the balance is off, and good luck using it with gloves.
It made sense with M16A1 where the handle was useful and well balanced, ever since A2 the CH has been getting more and more retarded.
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>>35471817
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>>35476134
Don’t listen to the bully, your AR is strong.
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Is .223 Wylde really a meme? I know one of the other anons said some video explained why it’s no better than 556
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>>35476038
That's nice, dear.
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>>35476335
At looking like trash, sure.
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>>35469341
Hahahahahaha
Handguard literally glued onto the barrel but.
What a fucking joke. You're shit is garbage. And you'll defend it. Typical mall ninja.
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>>35473484
Did you play your own shit, it went somethin like this:…
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>>35469752
>buying anything troy
Cuck
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>>35476379

yeah, because you know that you're not shooting as good as you should be, and you wasted money on a gun that's better than you.

fucking manchildren and their toy guns. it's just another element of the craft beer, avocado, bacon, and artisan shaving kit parade. ways that people attempt to purchase a feeling.
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>>35475383
Ollie's
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>>35476471
That's nice, dear. Now remember to eat your veggies or you're getting no dessert.
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>>35476372
It's just .223 and 5.56 combined, a .223 chamber reamer with the leade extended to fix that one contact problem. Nearly all barrels are .223 Wylde now unless you specifically hunt down other ones.
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>>35476372
Also unless you have some image macros to post, don't call random shit memes. Learn what the goddamn word means.
>VTEC
Not a meme.
>VTEC JUST KICKED IN, YO!
Meme.
The word 'meme' is absolutely not interchangeable with the word 'gimmick', which is what you should have used.
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>>35476417
But muh titanium!

There’s nothing wrong with a bit of glue, asshole
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>>35475463
>>35475161

Where's all the xenophobia at? I thought y'all hated japs?
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>>35476471
>toy guns
>equating guns with fads of the millenicuck era

You're on the wrong board you dumb ape.
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>>35476960
Why would we hate japs? They are still a homogeneous nation without the stain of brown people
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>>35476982

no, i'm on the right board, but there's a lot people here who are quite wrong in many parts of their life and how they make decisions. that doesn't make this place unique by any stretch, but what does differentiate these people on here is that their consumer preference of choice is a weapon. Weapons empower a man, make him feel strong and capable, and so there's fetishization of killing tools amongst the poorly adjusted on here, who take a pleasure in these instruments of death that goes well beyond the security that it gives one to be able to fight 'if it comes to that'. thus we have extreme levels of larp and playing dress-up and pretend that go beyond healthy behaviors and into the 'my little pony' territory. except with guns.

it becomes a big fucking circle jerk where people who are not tough, smart, or dangerous people on their own attempt to be exactly that by spending money. and yes, i'm calling you manchildren out on that, and if you aren't in that category then you know who you are.

if you take nothing else away from this at least save your fucking money for something that matters, and learn to actually fucking shoot your gun worth a shit before you drop your disposable income into what may as well fucking be anime or video games.
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>>35470645
>$3k on an AR

Anon why, that's just dumb.
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>>35475962
Acceptable/10
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>>35477213
Assuming he's including the optic in that number, it's not that bad.
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>>35469309
BUT THE BOX SAID 10 HORSEPOWER
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>>35476554
See this post for maximum autism.
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>>35476554
Please explain the difference between meme and gimmick then, nerd
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>>35469219
Aside from better build quality not much
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>>35476417
Shutup nogunz
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>>35477213
Because he isnt a poor fag and can.
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>>35476417
>your shit is garbage
>and you'll defend it
>typical mall ninja

virtually 100% of people killed with guns in combat are killed with shitty trash guns. what's your fucking point.
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>>35469219
>higher quality barrel
>higher quality barrel coating
>more accurate barrel
>lighter barrel
>higher quality metal in the BCG
>better heat treated BCG
>more vigorously tested BCG
>high quality coating on the BCG
>lowers are all made from a handful of companies so you can pay for the name on the side of it
>some are ambi which requires more time to machine out and to put parts into it
>some have ambi selectors
>sone have ambi mag and bolt releases
>higher quality parts in the upper in lower with that fit better than a random parts kit put in by an 18 year old novice
>better trigger which helps a lot with making accurate hits
>lighter and/or stronger rails
>lighter and/or stronger stocks
>usually comes with a comp or flash hider
>buffer and buffer spring are usually tuned for the gas port and tube length of the rifle
>comfier grip than an A2
>smoother and larger charging handle

Did I miss anything?
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>>35469219
Accuracy and improved machining
The cheap ones are better than most fags in the general will give them but that's because they have to justify it. Other than that it's mostly because of things like IR and tacticool gear that will provide an edge only in certain senarios
You do need a light tho.
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>>35471584
>justify being poor
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>>35469219
>mag size
>detachable magazine
>scope
>collapsible stock
>quick fire rate selector

Reported to ATF! =^)
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>>35469258
This
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>>35469219
Well, compared to yours mine has:

>Superior stock that is still adjustable
>Superior charging handle
>Free-floated handguard
>Magpul MBUS Pro for irons
>Much more comfortable grip and triggerguard

Yours has a better optic, though.
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>>35479108
A charging handle is a charging handle m8
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>>35469219
Sometimes I think "Man, I should really get an AR" and then I read threads like this.

You're like a pack of cunty preteen girls.
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>>35479756
so wrong it hurts
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>>35469219

I don't think your rifle can shoot as accurately as mine. Though, to be fair, it's not like your rifle is set up for it.

I think your missing the point... Glass for example... The return in performance on your investment isn't linear. A $1000 optic can do most everything right, so long as it tracks mechanically. Glass clarity and durability is what you end up paying for with high end glass, typically.

That doesn't mean I can't justify spending more money on glass for that minimal gain in performance, same as the rifle itself. That also doesn't mean I don't enjoy less expensive optics, so long as they perform to the level I expect for the money invested.

Suppressors are another example... Surefire is really proud of their shit...and surely they're not the quietest for the money spent, but I'm not putting a low end can on a high dollar rifle.
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>>35479756
OP's has a known weakness that mine doesn't.

1/10 try harder faggot




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