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Since the first Thread has already reached it's image limit and was a great experience without shitposting, we'll open another round.
>>35439343
>>35439343

What is CWG?

Its a pure Cold War collection.

- Pics (high res preferred)
- Maps
- Links
- PDFs

And off course we want the border stories of your relatives and discuss the great "what ifs" of the big confrontation between NATO and Warsaw Pact
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Going to start this edition with something I saw in the first thread for the first time. The forgotten but somehow pretty legendary VT-Series of german prototypes.

The basic Idea was to create a successor to the Leopard 1. Since the germans already had a formidable turret-tank with the Leo2, they had the Idea to make something like a Stug for the 80s.

During the early 70s they came out with the Idea of a double-gunned tank. The first prototype, VT1-1 was based on a shortened Leo1 chassis, sporting the same engine and two 105mm L7 guns.

Along these lines they also built 5 "Gefechtsfeldversuchsträger" (Battlefield test beds) to further study the pros and cons of such a desing

This lead to pic related, the VT 1-2

When this one came out in 1975 it was purest space tech

To cut some costs, it was based on an (also shortened) Kpz 70 chassis.
But they gave the tank a quad-turbocharged MTU engine with sustained 1500 and blast 2400hp.

This wasnt for show. The whole thing about these tanks was the "Taktische Wedelfahrt". The driver was to charge at high speed, change direction every few seconds to make it impossible to get a good aim at the VT.

The gunner, who had 2 120mm guns in the 1-2 was to aim at the enemy, pull the trigger and the guns would only shoot when the driver changed direction the next time and crossed the aiming line to the target.

To make it even better, the VT had an (for the time) incredible ammount of frontal armor, sadly I couldnt find any facts about it's RHA

In 1979 the whole projekt got canned. The concept was found to be awesome to fight huge masses of tanks in an open field or from pre-prepared firing positions but hat too many downsides in other areas, i.e. MOUT, forrests etc.

Still its a remarkable piece of cold war tech that shows that back then nothing was too extreme to be not at least considered.
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>>35472388
Holy shit. That's nuts.
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More /hr/ Warsaw Pact please
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>"Taktische Wedelfahrt"
Holy fucking shit.
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>>35472227
OP, are you going to post the pdf and yt links in your post next time, maybe? Otherwise it's not really a project/collection.
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Let me tell you a story, Anons, as told to me :

>A big exercise is scheduled in Germany
>Tanks, artillery, air, infantry
>Storyteller is part of a recce unit
>Storyteller and his mates find a good lying up spot on a hill, where they can watch an allied simulated tank and infantry attack go in
>Since noone important seems to be around, they're standing around jerking off generally, telling jokes
>An attack helicopter goes overhead at about 5 feet altitude
>They're all cheering and laughing
>Storyteller grabs his cock and says, no shouts "God damn, I'm hard just looking at it!"
>From behind "What ALL three inches?"
>They turn around
>It's motherfucking General Rogers, SACEUR
>Those tanks, artillery and helicopters are his
>All the tanks artillery and helicopters are his
>His staff officers and bodyguards all have shit eating grins
>Storyteller and his unit concede the superior ground to the general at great speed

I don't know how true it is, but I'd like to think it's true.
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>>35472612
>What ALL three inches?
>mfw
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>>35472565
Yeah, thanks for reminding me. Since Im a close-to-40yo oldfag: Any recommendations for sites where I can store them together?
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>>35472640
Just copy/paste the links in ghostbin or pastebin and post that link here.
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>>35472687
>>35472565
+++EAM++EMERGENCY+ACTION+MESSAGE++EAM+++


The following Link will lead you to a collection of all links from the previous thread. In case CWG survives more rounds, I'm going to add all the links after one thread has reached the image limit

https://ghostbin.com/paste/cp3as
https://ghostbin.com/paste/cp3as
https://ghostbin.com/paste/cp3as
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https://ghostbin.com/paste/cp3as
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>>35472741
Highly recommend the round table discussion transcript with NATO and Pact officers
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>>35472388
that is fucking amazing
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>>35472388
>and blast 2400hp.


Look how small the prototype is. Fuck, that thing must have incredbile acceleration


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT_tank
>34.5 PS/t(sustained)(25.3 kW/t)
>55 PS/t (short time)(40.5 kW/t)


FUG! I mean 55hp/t is basically 90s Civic level

Fucking shame the germans didnt build this
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>>35472741
>https://ghostbin.com/paste/cp3as

God fucking dammit I wanted to read the roundtable so much but the links dead and I can't find it.
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>>35473215
http://www.php.isn.ethz.ch/lory1.ethz.ch/documents/ZB79_000.pdf still works for me.
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>>35473291
Also here's an interesting excerpt from William Odom of NATO:

>Let me add one last observation, and this is about intermediate nuclear forces or INF and the deployment in the early 1980s of the Pershing IIs and the GLCMs. I know personally of no demand – and General Smith, I would be interested to hear if I’m wrong on this – of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or by SACEUR to have these forces put in Europe. On the contrary, the military in the US seem to have little or no interest in this deployment. The demand came initially from German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt. He gave this infamous talk at the IISS meeting in Hamburg about the SS-20 threat and his theology of extended deterrence captured us. 97 It was a fear that the US could be separated from Europe because the Russians would be able to target Western Europe with missiles that couldn’t reach the US and that we would not be willing to respond to that with missiles from the United States because that would move it to the intercontinental level. While the military didn’t react to this cry from Europe, the State Department did, and the policy staff did in the Secretary of Defense’s office, and also my colleague on the NSC Staff became catatonic about it. Th ere was this huge drive to deploy some INF as a counter to the SS-20s. Thus political requirements and not military operational needs dictated the INF deployment.

>A little anecdote: at the time, I had tried to point out to my boss Brzezinski and some other people on the staff that it didn’t make any sense to put Pershing IIs in Germany. Th is would be like an artilleryman putting artillery pieces on the forward slope of a hill where they would be exposed to direct fi re by enemy tanks. This was just too far forward. I said that it might make sense to put them in Portugal or the Shetland Islands, but to put them in Germany is almost to ensure their early destruction before you could use them effectively.
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>>35473350
Reading some more of it, the Polish guy that did a lot of research for Soviet General Staff and refereed a ton of wargames for them talks about how the notion of Pact nuclear use changed over time. Basically going from "We need nuclear tactical parity right now!" to "We can't really use these effectively." to "Using these and strategic weapons is absolutely insane." to "Well if you REALLY wanted to, you could use a single digit amount for tactical purposes, but even then absolutely under no circumstances should you advance through that area you just hit.".

He talks a good bit about the modeling they used and the types of results they came up with (he praises the US research teams that first came to the conclusions and prompted USSR studies as he thinks it really helped drive home just how horrifying a nuclear war would have been). Even gives an anecdote of an early test in '56 or '57 where the USSR did an exercise where a unit advanced through an area immediately following a detonation and can only talk about how it 'ended tragically'.

It's crazy to think of the things that everyone did with nuclear weapons early on. I know the Chinese in particular did massive troop movements through nuclear clouds and the US/UK and France also did similar things on a smaller scale, but it's still horrifying to think about.
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>>35473291

I literally get "not found"

I'm a britfag. Is this affecting it? Also, whats the full title of the paper so that I can try googling it plz....:(
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>>35473644
>http://www.php.isn.ethz.ch/lory1.ethz.ch/documents/ZB79_000.pdf
"Military planning for European theatre conflict during the cold war"
an oral history roundtable

Andreas Wenger and Victor Mauer
center for security studies, eth zurich
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>>35473215
OP here (German) works for me too.

Is there any way where one could upload the PDF and post another link? Sorry, I'm not that internet-wise
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>>35473644
>>35473712
Here, just uploaded it, never used this site before so hopefully it works.

https://ufile.io/e1tbi
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>>35473688
>>35473729

Thanks /k/omrades.
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>>35472388
you forgot, it had electrical engines, which allowed it to "wiggle" sideways.
also it was intended to add autoloaders to BOTH 120s, but iirc only one was tested
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>>35473824
Indeed, I forgot that. But the electrical engines were more or less only to be used in firing positions since the guns only could be traversed perpendicular not sideways
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>>35472388
I still can't understand why you would need two main guns on it.
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>>35473824
>taktische Wedelfahrt
will never cease to crack me up
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>>35472534
That pic always makes me think, since the GDR would dissolve less than a year after this.
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>>35474001
You mean because of "sich einen wedeln" Aka fapping?

>>35473881
Higher first hit probability, faster rate of fire (fire the one while the other reloads)

Don't forget how many wp tanks we expected.
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>>35474278
>not having a having a tactical fap drive
you would've died first if the war had gone hot
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>>35474278
>You mean because of "sich einen wedeln" Aka fapping?
Yes, I'm not very mature.
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>>35474278
Pretty sure it was for rate of fire reasons
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>>35475943
>Is there anything more sexy than nukes?
ICBMs
>Totally not a phallic symbol!
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>>35476153
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar
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Anon from the last thread with the organized Cold War folder, will start contributing. Will be somewhat selective since some of the stuff isn't as interesting. Starting with Austria.
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Belgium
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Also I apologize for some of these pics being relatively low-res, I scrape what I can from the internet.
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>Be dad in Krautland
>commander of new M1IP
>shit's going good
>coming home from exercise with west German Leo 2s
>going back to base to debrief
>long line of M1s, Leopards and M113s taking the back roads
>traffic moving to the side like in that pic
>except one guy
>he thinks he's hot shit
>has his kid in the front seat
>thinks he can cut off an armored column
>thinks that the tanks are going to stop for him and anyone can see him
>Tanks have the right of way all the time
>get to outskirts of town
>kraut thinks this is his chance
>floors it
>passes half the column
>passes dad
>tries to pass the Leo 2 immediately in front of him and turn in front of him
>Leo2 can't see this tiny fucking car
>kraut driver isn't fast enough
>CRUNCH
>Leo2 just took out the entire rear of the car from the back seat back
>Column comes to halt
>Leo2 crew gets out and checks on them
>They're fine, car is totaled
>a minute later the closest CO comes
>It's a US Major
>Sees what happened, sees the kid, becomes furious
>Medics come and take the kid to M113 to look her over and calm her down
>starts screaming at the Kraut driver, but his German is terrible
>rest of column trying not to laugh at this guy getting yelled at in english and broken german
>German CO comes back from the front of the column 2 minutes later
>Gets informed what happened
>starts screaming at the driver
>Major keeps yelling at him
>Leo2 commander starts yelling at him
>Three guys yelling at him at once
>Major eventually just keeps talking in English
>Rest of the column is dying from laughter on the radio
>Cops and EMT show up
>Check on everything
>Cop starts berating the guy too for nearly killing his daughter
>Two COs then come back and start yelling at the guy again
>Entire column and infantry are now milling about, watching and dying of laughter
>Week later
>base bulletin board has a copy of a letter from the drivers insurance demanding compensation for damage to vehicle
>Reply is just "Nein."
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>>35476607
We had M1IPs in Europe? I thought we didn't get those out there till later in the Cold War. When did this altercation take place? Also if I may ask, what did your dad think of the tank?
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>>35472227
Does anyone having anything from Rendezvous '83? It was a joint exercise between the U.S. and Canada.
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>>35476642
Also I will admit there's a large deficiency in the amount of Belgian pics I should have considering their deployments to Africa. I only have two right now. For the sake of expediency I'm going to just post them and move on.
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Moving on to the Brits. Again for the sake of expediency, not going to include much from the Troubles because we could fill a whole thread with that. Mostly BAOR and a few other mentions (may include one or two from the Troubles just as an example).
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Cool thread.

I have old manuals from various countries, I'm not here tomorrow but I'll send the links sunday.
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Again I apologize for the low-res stuff. For some reason I had an extremely hard time finding Cold War BAOR stuff and the stuff I did find wasn't the best quality.
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Also for some reason I found a lot of mortar team pics.
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>>35476607
I like this story
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The Motherfucking Electric Lightning.
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The plane that was so ugly it somehow became beautiful.
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>>35477259
I don't think we flew Starfighters, did we?
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>>35476811
OP here. You don't have to apologize. Thanks for contributing. Hope you'll have a blowjob tonight
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Got any finnish pics?
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>cigarette
>jerry can
This is going to go well.
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>>35477324
I wish. Broke up with my gf a few months ago, kinda wanted to get back together but she's moving out west to Oregon.
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Going to include 2 Falklands pics. Again, we could have a whole thread about this so I'm not going to linger.
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Obligatory.
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Will also include two photos from the Aden Emergency.
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Sorry for the delay between posts, whenever I get to doing this I feel the need to re-organize my folders and simultaneously trawl the internet looking for more stuff. Just found a boatload of stuff on the Malayan and Aden Emergency. Will limit myself here because I still have a lot of stuff to get to. Last one from Aden.
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>>35477561
Two more from Malayan Emergency.
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Just one more.
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One pic from the Troubles. Just one because I don't want to attract shitposting.
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Going to finish my Brit stuff with some armor.
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>>35477637
I apologize for that long delay. Kinda went overboard looking for yet more images. Once I get started its hard to stop.
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Unfortunately have to leave again. Will return in a few hours.
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cool thread
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>>35477110
But that's a Tornado GR.4 anon
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>>35478294
This thread is like the spiritual successor to the old /tgh/. Live long and prosper. I'll try to contribute later too.
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>>35478294
So cool, that you have to use fur hat.
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>>35472227
I'm Malaysian. I hope it's ok to post about the Malayan Emergency, which is part of the greater Cold War Communist uprisings in SEA.

I found this journal article about how the Brits redeveloped jungle fighting from WWII to the Malayan Emergency. The title is: 'Jungle Bashing’ in Malaya: Towards a formal Tactical Doctrine by Gregorian (1994) in the Small Wars & Insurgencies journal. You can copy this d.o.i. and paste in Scihub to get the pdf since it's behind a paywall. http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/09592319408423089

It's too bad how jungle fighting has fallen aside since the Gulf War due to most conflicts nowadays happening in deserts and urban areas. This article gives a review on the historical development of British jungle fighting doctrine.
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>>35478884
The intro to entice readers:
In a seminal work, Tom Mockaitis argues that until the 1960s British counter-insurgency methods were not based upon a formal, written doctrine. Instead, they were passed on from one generation to another through a form of oral tradition. The methods themselves derived from three broad principles which he identifies as: minimum force; close cooperation between civil and military authorities; and adoption of 'a highly decentralized, small-unit approach to combating irregulars'. It was only in the Malayan Emergency of 1948 to 1960 that 'all three [principles were first] present in fully developed form'.

The victory in Malaya was not, Mockaitis asserts, 'the product of trial and error worked out in that one campaign;' rather it was based upon 'the gradual rediscovery of time-honoured methods'. Doctrine formalisation was a distinct development of the Malayan campaign. Establishment of a jungle warfare school, publication of a tactical manual, methodical gathering and exploitation of intelligence, and operations research were all used for the first time in a counter-insurgency by the British during the Emergency. As such, Malaya was a doctrinal watershed not only because of the collective presence of the three principles, but because such innovations profoundly affected British and Commonwealth operational styles for years to come. Yet was there anything in particular about the Malayan campaign which lent itself to such innovation?
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>>35476787
Any eastgerman ones?
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>>35478981
A quote about the Malayan jungle:

By most accounts, the jungles of the Malay Peninsula are foreboding places. Under a canopy of trees that often grows to a height greater than
150 feet, there is a world of near twilight during the day, oppressively
still and clammy, and enervatingly hot by midday. The average noon
temperature is 90°F and varies little throughout the year. Running more-
or-less down the middle of the peninsula is a spine of jungle-covered
mountains with elevations as high as 7,000 feet. The eastward side of this range receives monsoonal rains from October to the end of March;
the south-west from late May to September. Heavy rains with little wind occur during April/May and October - the transition in the monsoonal
flows. The mountains have a strong effect on the air currents over the
peninsula, and that combined with cloud formation, monsoons, and
humidity levels limits safe flying to just a few hours in the morning. In
the forests covering highland areas, temperatures at night can be surprisingly cool, rendering soldiers wearing sweat-soaked cotton
clothing into shivering wretches. As night comes to the jungle, the
darkness becomes almost impenetrable to the human eye and an
enormous cacophony of animal and insect noises rises to startling
levels.
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>>35476787
The nazis were evil dont joke about that stuff
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>>35477433
is that a female in the driver err passenger seat?
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>>35472552
Es reißet euch ein schrecklich Ende
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>>35478253
Chieftains were sexy
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>>35478290
I'm back.
>>35478884
Thanks for the info, will go well in my Malayan Emergency folder.
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>>35477371
Ah, back when 'Health and Safety' were rightly told to go fuck themselves.
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I'm trying to get the ball rolling again, but I'm simultaneously getting more pics at the same time. The more I get, the more I can reverse-search and try and explore more sites for pics.
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Anyone here play Team Yankee? Or am I just the only turbo nerd that plays tabletop?
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Last one from my Brit folder. Going to try and better organize my next one (Bulgaria) before posting.
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>>35477573
Probably Australians judging by the locals with Owen guns.
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>>35481752
Thanks for pointing that out, I occasionally forget that the Aussies were present.
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>>35481809
Of course Australia was there. Killing Asian commies in the jungle because their Anglo-sphere mates started some shit is pretty much the only thing that Australians did in the 60s.
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Going to post a few Bulgaria pics before heading to bed. I'm getting too wrapped up in trying to find more pics.
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>OH&S is for commies
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>Rk-62s and M62 fatigues, together with Stahlhelms
>Now thats aesthetic as fuck.
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*Looks at the clock, then at the latest pictures*
It seems, like the mongol shift in 4chan has started
Well lets keep going.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWe3IPJSWbA&index=18&list=FL5dTzaqsfIYx5T4dvxoTMVQ&t=834s
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Good dump, new thread soon?
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>>35483222
I have more Finns, and can try to assist with pics of whatever country is the topic
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>>35483229
I still have Finns too, im in a patriotic fervor to post them.
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>>35481739
wish i had the money to blow on that stuff
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>>35481576
Nice pic, but wrong label. There's no FV432 there, that's a FV103 Spartan & a FV107 Scimitar
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>>35481564
Fun fact - that Ro-Ro ferry they are deploying from sunk in 1987. Bow doors weren't secured and it went down just outside Zeebrugge killing 193 passengers and crew
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>>35483222
>>35483222

Your wish is my command


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