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2006 prices edition

Previous thread: >>35823462
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So from the shit I was seeing in the previous thread I am pretty lucky when I bought this from Sweaty Ben. The only thing wrong with this rifle is the stock repair near the front of the rifle. I did not choose "hand select".
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I think it's hilarious how fast prices on these have gone up. I got this last December for around $200, now the go for like $350 or something stupid.
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Just picked up this boi in a trade. Came with a case, bayonet, and 60 rounds of ammo. Super handy little carbine, will make a nice companion to my PTR
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>>35835054

Makes me so angry with myself for not getting into this shit back then.
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>win first gunbroker auction
nice
>faggots get into a bidding war while im asleep and jack the price up by $200
not so nice

Finally have a PU Sniper though, hype
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>>35835054
>$120 2017 bucks for an SKS
Those are some Canada tier prices
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>>35835330
Before the auction ended for my Argentine I changed my bid twice and was constantly checking my phone.
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>>35835068
Is there anything special about the No.1 Mk6 cut off? I found some cut offs for sale. Just don't know what he actually needs.
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>>35835305
Same. Internet recognition has made milsurp a "once you know, it's too late" kind of good. Firearm blogs, reviewers and Youtubers expose a surplus weapon and say a few good things and suddenly thousands of gun buyers want in on the action. Then your prices explode because surplus is either a fixed supply or limited at best.

The increase of speed of the travel of information has simply made the market more efficient. You gotta be fast if you're a buyer.
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>>35835362

I have no idea. He mentioned something about holes but I wasn't paying attention.
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>>35835365

I'm thinking about snagging one of those Spanish 1916s for that reason. They're dirt cheap now, but once they run out their prices will probably climb a little bit.
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In case anyone here is interested...
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/716044879
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>>35835375
>He mentioned something about holes but I wasn't paying attention.
Same here. I can't remember if he said it should or shouldn't have the hole.
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>>35835365
The internet didn't change these prices. I first heard about J&G Sales online in 1999 when Mosin 1891s were $39.99 if you bought 10. That ad's from 2006 and by then I'd spent six years on various sites talking about Mosins, CZ-52s, Makarovs, etc.

Mosin prices didn't hit $200 until somewhere around 2010-11.
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Just got my Frommer last week, and scored it for $220 cash.
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>>35835426
I remember in 2013 I saw 91/30s at cabelas for $150 on Black Friday.
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>>35835406
Don't post that here.
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>>35835406
Got that base covered pham.
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>>35835054
God damnit I want an SKS but fuck the prices creeping up into AK territory.
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Never forget
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>>35835426
>The internet didn't change these prices.
That's not what I implied. Read my post again.
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>>35835512
Well then go get one. They're still fine rifles even if an AK isn't much more.
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>>35835512
So buy both.
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>>35835555
Can't forget digits like that.
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>>35835555
How exactly did this happen
Also Czech'd
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>>35835606
The top is a numbers marching Cossak marked rifle with the original sight. That's at least 8000 right there.
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>>35835606
100% original matching M91 Cossack, with no updates, in immaculate condition.

Second rifle is nothing to sneeze at either; an M91 infantry rifle, with no Russian upgrades, captured by Imperial Germany and with a bayonet lug for a German bayonet.
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>>35835584
Yeah, it's just fucking infuriating that I didn't move on one years ago.
>>35835591
lmao no 4chan poster who pretends everyone has unlimited neet bucks
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>>35835054
If I have an old 1915 M91 and the M91 long front handguard, can I just slap a 91/30 stock set onto it?

I'm having a rough time finding one for not super-expensive.
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>>35835688
>If I have an old 1915 M91 and the M91 long front handguard, can I just slap a 91/30 stock set onto it?
M91 Dragoon or M91 infantry rifle? Their barrel bands, stocks and handguards are different and not interchangeable.
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>>35835711
Dragoon.
I've got the barrel/receiver, bolt/magazine/etc..., barrel bands, and handguards.
I just need a stock, which is fucking impossible to find for under $70.
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>>35835723
M91 Dragoon and M91/30 stocks, handguards, and barrel bands are interchangeable.
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>>35835711
>Their barrel bands, stocks and handguards are different and not interchangeable.
>>35835745
>M91 Dragoon and M91/30 stocks, handguards, and barrel bands are interchangeable.
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Stop talking about nuggets
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So, did the price of milsurp go up, the value of the dollar go down, or a bit of both?
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>>35835758
There is nothing contradictory in these statements.
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>>35835779

Yes.
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>>35835779

Consider the following:

>Milsurp is a market with a capped supply, but always an increasing demand
>$1.00 in 2001 is now approximately $1.48 now
>this means a $100 Mosin would be at LEAST $150 plus added demand cost
>also factor in Bubba wrecking rifles, thus decreasing the supply even further
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>>35835794
"They are all interchangeable"
"They are not interchangeable"
Unless I'm reading it wrong then yes, it's contradictory.
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>>35835848

M91 infantry is not interchangeable.
M91 Dragoon is.

Reading comprehension, do you have it?
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>>35835555
Mosins confirmed for most valuable milsurp. You can’t argue with those quads.
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>>35835848
>M91 Dragoon or M91 infantry rifle? Their barrel bands, stocks and handguards are different and not interchangeable.
>M91 Dragoon or M91 infantry rifle
>M91 Dragoon and M91/30 stocks, handguards, and barrel bands are interchangeable.
>M91 Dragoon and M91/30
See the difference in subjects here?

The M91/30 is just an M91 Dragoon with slight upgrades to the sights; physical dimensions remain the same.

The M91 infantry rifle is longer than the M91 Dragoon; the stock, handguard, and barrel bands are all different.
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>>35835054
I hate so much that I lived in CA with my C&R back when eligible handguns were regularly available. I wanted a MAK but now they're priced well beyond what I'd want to spend on one.
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>>35835231
>last December
You got lucky. Prices are still fluctuating and that's near the bottom end of where they are right now. I saw a guy selling his Nagant revolver for $190 on the local Armslist last month, but on Gunbroker, they're selling closer to the $250-325 range.
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>>35835774
Why?
>>35835779
Both really, and interest in milsurp, due to the abundance of info and the rise of the YouTube reviewer, have cause a lot of interest towards milsurp than there ever was before.
And bubba, never forget bubba's destruction of helpless surp continues unabated.
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Due to arrive at my FFL Thurs. Bayonet should be here by the weekend.
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>tfw cheap surplus is ~$300, mid level is ~$500 and really nice or rarer stuff is hitting 4 digits
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>>35836136
I really love it because it's an all matching gun, and, from what I can see, it wasn't arsenal refurbished. I haven't been able to find any recognized refurb mark anywhere on it.
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>>35836332
Ehh I'm pretty desensitized to it with most modern rifles being more expensive. Now it feels like a bottom-of-the-barrel AR is $500 if you're lucky, and even a simple "cheap" bolt gun for hunting these days is going to run close to $1000 overall because you have to get optics.
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how do you take care of your milsurp so it stays fresh?
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>>35836412
slather it in froglube. Not joking
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>>35836386

How are revolver nuggets anyway?
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>>35836412
Dehumidifier, oil, grease
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>>35836441

Possibly the worst "modern" revolver ever made. I'm not memeing. They're hard to load, hard to shoot, and use snowflake, underpowered ammo.
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>>35836441
Pretty cool. In a practical scenario, they are pretty much useless; they use a unique caliber, aren't super accurate, and have a trigger pull heavier than an M1 Abrams, but I love mine.
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>>35835231
Same, got mine last summer plus the holster and a thousand rounds of the old surplus ammo for $450. I'm now seeing these things on gunbroker from anywhere between $350 to $600 for just the revolver. As someone who is without an sks or a mosin, I'm happy that I actually managed to get a piece of slav surplus while the buying was still (relatively) good.
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>>35836490
>>35836496

>tfw when even Ian says they're shit

Back to looking for a milsurp revolver then.
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>>35836412
Oil/grease For the metal, wet rag for the wood. Clean every 6 months.
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>>35836543

Ian says Mosins are shit too. He's right, but this thread wouldh't agree with him.
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>>35836543

Webley
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I guess all Tikka M39s are worth $1700+.

Tfw when I laughed about them selling for $700
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>>35836412

hose down with wd40
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Should I get an un-bubba'd M1917 with an apparently heavily pitted barrel for $425? Wood looks refinished on it.
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>>35836412
gun oil on the metal and insides, wipe on the wood.

>>35836614
No harm in entering though, I did.
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>>35836614
TIkka > Sako > VKT in terms of value, Tikkas go for literally anything from $800 to over $1000.
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>>35836407
Its still affordable, just watching stuff climb and sometimes spike is painful. I was negotiating with a guy over a long branch no4 that wasnt even matching, wouldnt budge from 500. I remember paying $200 for all matching no4s
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>>35836655
Shit, forgot link:

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/715994659
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Rock Island in a couple weeks. HYPE

although I really really....really wanted some of the .45-70 trials rifles in the auction. I threw my lot in going for one of the John Martz .45 ACP Lugers.

I also threw a bid on the Type 44 Jap, but i doubt Ill win that one.
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>>35836750
Bid on that Singer 1911.
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>>35836750

I'm trying to get the MAS 44, I'll have to sell the 49 to try to offset it if I win, but I probably won't.
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>>35836778
How much did you bid?
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>>35836802

$1100, the low end, which is why I probably won't win. It'll probably go for $2000 or so.
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>>35836562

My mosins will shoot the same group as an off the rack AR.....AKA 3" at 100 yards.
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>>35836810
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/717320833
This ended with no bids last week, so maybe you can get it for the minimum.
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>>35836412

>Plug barrel, fill barrel with Kroil, let sit 5 days


My barrels always come out spotless after doing this, the liquid kroil comes out pitch black after soaking, I scrubbed a dirty mosin bore with a white patch and it came back white.
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>>35836819

The complaints about Mosins aren't usually about accuracy.
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>>35836850

the only other complaint I can see is for the action, it's no mauser but they aren't any worse then any cock on open bolt action.
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>>35836496
>>35836543
It's true that they wouldn't be my go-to for most scenarios, but there's one situation in which my hand nugget is king... and that is fun. It's a fantastic range toy, it's weird cylinder pushing mechanism is a great talking point, and from a historical standpoint, it's a really cool piece.

I love mine, and I mean hey, if there were ever a scenario in which it was the only gun that I had on me and I needed it, I would at least *have* a gun.

Not to mention that there's just something so nice about loading in ammo that hasn't been circumcised.
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>>35836833

I don't have the cash to be spending 1250 on a gun ATM. Hence why I was hoping (but not expecting) to win the lot for 1100 and sell off the second gun.
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>>35836889

The action on mine is pretty nice
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>>35836889
People just get shit on the Mosin because no other rifle can compete with it's perfect Russian silhouette and beautiful aesthetics.
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>>35836889
The decocking process is pants-on-head retarded, but that's generally a non-issue considering that nobody really decocks a chambered long rifle anymore
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>>35836916

the literal cheapest gun will always get hate, but they aren't cheap anymore, and ammo for them costs more then 7.62 Nato
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>>35836929
So who do we hate on now? Spanish Mausers? Yugo Mausers?
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>>35836778
French or Syrian MAS 49?

If you win I'd be interested to buy it.
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>>35836929
The worst part is I paid less for this Carcano then I did the Mosin. The prices have been pants on head retarded for at least 3+ years now.
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>>35836941
Spanish mausers will because a lot of them have rust from SamCo's fuckery.
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>>35836941

Turkish Mausers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk2BLSW1Hf4
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>>35836952
Haven't Carcanos always been super cheap though? I remember a while back hearing you could get Carcanos, Mosins, and (bottom of the barrel) Arisakas for around $100-150 or so. Mosins were just popular because they were the only "good" ones of the bunch that actually had obtainable ammo.
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>>35836948

French 49/56

I almost certainly won't win though, unless the fudds all turn their noses up at the frog guns.
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>>35836964
I'd take another 93 turk over a mosin any day.
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8mm is obsolete and a dead round globally, there I said it.


>INB4 b...bu serbia still uses the M76 *links wikipedia page*

News flash....serbia switched to the M91 in 54r several years ago.
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>>35836977
Oh, I thought you meant a full length 49.
I'd still buy it though. My Dad eyes my 49/56 up every time we go shooting. Want to get him his first frogsurp.
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The (You) farmers are out in the fields late tonight
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>>35837031

Nah. I didn't think I needed to be more specific. In the event that I win I'll post here and see if a /k/ommando wants it first.
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>>35836974
From what I've been seeing Carcanos are shooting up in price now just like the Mosin. I pick the T.S up for $125 and this one for $80. Looking around they're going for almost 300+
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>Muh mosin supply and infinite surplus of surplus 7.62x54r will never run out

>Ammo drys up

>rifles dry up

>$220+ for run of the mill mosin

>ammo $.50 cents a round
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>>35837089
where have you been for the last 5 years
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>>35837056
>Buys milsurp
>Isn't autistically detailed and specific

Why even bother
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>>35837056
post it on gunbroker, you could probably make more than your bid on the 44
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I want a K31 but I cant find any for a fair price.
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>>35837104

I don't really care that much about frog guns, the only reason I want a 44 is because I (eventually) want a complete set of WW2 guns.

>>35837111

Possibly, but I won't win and if I do I'd like to contribute to the community here.

Like I said the lot will probably go for over $2k.
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For whatever reason I've found the laminate mosins to be the nicest, in regard to machining.
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>>35837128

What do you consider "fair"? Local gun show had one for $500.
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>>35837144

Why is it that every Mosin I find looks like someone drowned it in red paint? I never find ones that look like that.
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>>35835231

>tfw got mine for $99 a few years ago.
It's a beautiful 38 dated Tula.
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>>35837187
Terrible Molot refinishing.
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>>35836743

Technically it's not a terrible idea. That's probably $300 in wood despite being refinished. But one with an original stock and a good bore is probably a $600-700 gun. I'd probably pass on that unless I needed the cheapest 1917 possible in my collection. 1917s, especially Eddystones, can be tricky to rebarrel if that's your game.

I took a gamble on this because of the condition of the metal and wood, and they say it has a good bore, and it's a Danish gun. But I overpaid--it was previously listed and no one bid. Be here later this week.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/707829245
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>>35836614

>mfw already have over 1,000 entries

Even if I'm disqualified, I still win.
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>>35835054
>m44
>75 bucks
WHY COULDNT I HAVE BEEN BORN EARLIER REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Is Romanian shit any good? I noticed that there are a ton of Romanian variants of rifles. Romanian Mosins, Mausers, AKs, Makarovs (pistol but meh)
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>>35835432
Damn that's sweet. Welcome to the club. What caliber is yours? Good luck getting it to cycle reliably.
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>>35837089
Is there any rifles on the market with the same pricing as golden age milsurps these days?
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>>35837392
It's in .32 ACP. I'll try my best to make it shoot well, but I haven't even gotten the chance to take it out yet.
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>>35837237
Not gonna lie I had been looking at the Eddystone of his that had the stock cut down and was $325.
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>>35835054
What a better time it was to be alive.
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>>35837429
Mine is .32 as well. Frommers generally need pretty hot 32 to work the gun because that's essentially what 7.65 Frommer was. Problem is, hitr loads tend to break extractors so you're walking a fine line. Some other guys just hand cycle theirs but I try to get mine to work. If you buy factory ammo you will need to hand cycle so I'd bring gloves because the knurled bolt chews up my fingers. When I got mine I emailed othias for load data and was sent this:

3.4 gr unique
.308 85gr Sierra rn bullet
Cci 500 primer
.984 pal

Triple k makes a spare mag for like $40 that I got, too, so I don't damage the original because it seems kind if delicate. They're a lot of fun to shoot though, so good luck!
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>>35837563
Thanks my guy.
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>>35836925
>Decocking
That's not something you're supposed to do in the first place. Try 'Decocking' a Type 99. Or a Mauser.
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>>35837089
Man, it must suck being poor.
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>>35837634
Really? I thought it was a common (if retarded) thing in a lot of guns from that era just like magazine cutoffs
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>>35837671
No. Some had extended cocking pieces so you could recock the action in the event of a failure to fire (ammo was shitty back then) but decocking is not something they ever thought would be necessary on a infantry rifle. Because why would it be?
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>>35837694
>Because why would it be
Well you could say the same about half the features they originally had on the Lee Metford/Enfield and plenty of other early smokeless powder rifles
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>>35837660
Owning guns doesn't make you rich. Owning a lot of nice guns doesn't make you rich. Milsurp is nothing compared to classic cars, scuba diving, big game hunting etc. If you own your car, own your house, have all debts paid off (especially if you did all of that on your own) AND own a nice collection of guns you can call yourself wealthy. Posting archaic guns on an outdated japanese cartoon forum doesn't impress anyone.
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Mfw I bought a pu nugget that shoots 1.5- 1 moa groups or better and is completely numbers matching, for $120 8 years ago.
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What if I don't wanna impress people?
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>>35837907
Not being poor=/=being rich.
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>>35837992
He's >>35837089 probably not poor either. Some people dont have the autistic drive to buy as many milsurp guns as we do and can't justify buying any at all unless they could still get 2005 nugget prices. To be quite honest I understand that, mosins are piles of shit compared to just about all of its contemporaries. If you dont have an inclination for milsurp it makes a lot more sense to just buy a savage axis or whatever entry level deer gun fits your budget.
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>>35837385
Yes
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stop buying slavshit guns
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>>35835250
Fr7's make me hard. Thank you for sharing.
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Anyone have any experience with the Triple K Vis 35 mags? I've heard mixed reviews and I'm wondering if I should just spend the extra $100 for an original.
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>>35835054
In all honesty, I'm happy they're not that cheap anymore. Higher prices keep away bubbas and poorfags who just want a cheap blaster and don't appreciate the history of what they have. There are enough "muh garbage rod" cretins out there already. Now that a Maverick 88 or budget AR is a way more economically viable option than milsurp, more of these guns will end up in the hands of people who appreciate them, and will preserve them for the future.
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I placed a bid on a ross rifle. Doubt il win but im keeping my fingers crossed.
Wish me luck guys
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>>35838239

>cut barrel

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>35838133
FR-8
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>>35837128
Go to Switzerland, buy it for 100 franc ($100.04) and have it shipped
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I recently got myself a MAS 49/56, anyone have any experience with the stripper clips for them? I've not really seen any complaints about them until that TFB TV video where the thing doesn't want to work.
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>>35837347
You ever ask why the law prohibited us from buying them until we hit an arbitrary age?

I get butthurt about it too. So many surps I could have bought in my teen years.
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>>35838239
Parts kits don’t count
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>>35838431
Mine doesn't like to work with stripper clips. 2-3 rounds will feed into the magazine correctly, then the last two shift and bind up.

It's not the clips, they work fine with my MAS 36. I thought maybe I was just being to delicate with them. No difference when trying to strip them into the gun as hard as I could.
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>>35837447
>Not gonna lie I had been looking at the Eddystone of his that had the stock cut down and was $325.

Metal looked nice but you'd toss another $300+ at it for a good stock.

You think I fucked up with the one I ordered?
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>>35836750
>I threw my lot in going for one of the John Martz .45 ACP Lugers.

If it wasn't the navy one you are retarded.
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>>35838692
Forgot to mention I have also tried with four different mags with no change in the result.
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>>35836762
Hello upside-down owl.
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>>35835426
Its all from fucking sandy hook. Everyone bought EVERYTHING, and all that was left was milsurp, which drove up the cost. I remember the state of california from jan 2013-feb 2014, there was ZERO 9mm to be found in any gun store. So my first handgun, a 226 blackwater edition i got for 500$ saw maybe 30 rounds every couple of months. The only ammo I could get was fucking 50 dollar hydrashok or LEO/mil ammo.
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>>35838851
My first gun was a 10/22. A week later sandy hook happened.
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> stop buying slavshit guns
Hey man why don't you stop being a massive faggot and get out of our good Christian thread
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>>35838736
Nah I think you did pretty good. I honestly would have gone for that if my budget allowed for it.

>>35838809
Hello anon :)
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>>35839104
Avatarfagging is a bannable offense
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>>35839104
>Nah I think you did pretty good. I honestly would have gone for that if my budget allowed for it.

I wouldn't have gone for it if I'd known I wouldn't have the money to pay for it. Wanna buy a 1917?
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>>35839142
If I had the room in my budget I would anon.

>>35839120
What's wrong anon? We're all your friends here.
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>>35838605
do to.
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>>35839235
The way I kinda see it, it's like fixing bubba'd guns.
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>>35839177
triggered
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>>35839235
>all of the parts
>none of the guns
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The gunsmih just called me and said my Jungle Carbine is drilled and tapped. It should be here by friday, I'm so fucking hyped
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Tending the (You) fields at night I see
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>>35835892
>everyone of them has put the sling on wrong
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>>35839664
At least their trying.
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>>35837251
>mfw I only have 80
I-I still have a chance right?
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>>35839263
Is part of the fun of kits.

>>35839421
Keyword being all of the parts anon. I just refuse to bubba an open bolt gun into a closed bolt. So they sleep until the traitors are removed and the 2A returns to full glory.
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>>35835054
That Ruger PC4 is making me erect.
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>by the time I get my degree and start getting money all these guns will cost even more

life isn't fair bros
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>>35840097

According to /k/ education is a sham and your quality of life will be better working in a warehouse the rest of your life.
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>>35840110
Growing up, my parents made a combined 200k a year so I'm sort of used to a lifestyle I'd rather not downgrade too much
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>>35839235
Receiver is the firearm
Receiver is US made
Therefore, gun is not milsurp

>>35840110
Only because so often people are miserable at their jobs. I went to school for engineering, hated it, and became a CNC operator. Make a lot less money but I enjoy my job.
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>>35840147
>Receiver is US made
>Therefore, gun is not milsurp

pic related is now commercial.
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Cnc machinist here, yea I'm a bit of a poorfag but I'm far from miserable doing something I hate.
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>>35840183
You know what I mean nigga
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>>35840123
Just do what I did.

>drop out of highschool
>derp my way through a few years at a CC before losing interest
>lie my way into an engineering gig with nothing but retail experience.
>learn everything I could for 3 years then hopped to another company that paid three times as much for a supervisory position because I now have 6 years experience
>literally running a team of dudes that spent 4-5 years in school to make less money than me.

School is for chumps who don't know how to put together a resume and bullshit their way through an interview.
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>>35840210
Already failed step one. Besides, my parents paid for my college so I don't have to worry about the student loan meme
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>>35840205
And you should know full well a parts kit is military surplus, even if you have to bend one whole part that was never serialized anyway (on an ak).

Really now, rewelding an fal is still surplus regardless of it being a "newly" made receiver.
You can pull that not surp bullshit with the springshit m1as or the universal m1 carbeans.
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>>35840241
A parts kit gun will never be surplus. You’re going to have to accept the truth. If parts kits guns were surplus than century arms is a military armorer.
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>>35835634
>>35835643
Talk about nugget connoisseurs
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>>35838239
>>35839799
>>35840241
Thanks faggots, I’m upset now
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>>35835054
Frightening lack of Enfields in this thread.

BSA 1917, picked it up recently for $375 with some of that HXP surplus thrown in.
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>>35840255
What part of this firearm was not surplussed by a military?

I'm not sure where you're going with this century bullshit. They didn't demil, or manufacture said kits. Their AKs don't use surplus parts. They very well could be a military supplier (armorers just maintain weapons) for some third world shithole. Even ruger sells their Mini14 to certain military police in other nations.
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What's the point of parts kits, why should I buy one? I'm not very well informed with them so it doesn't make sense to buy something with a chopped up receiver when I could pay more for one that's untouched
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>>35840394
Certain guns cannot be imported into the country. Parts kits are a way to get those here.
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>>35840277
Mosins are highly collectible. One of the benefits of so many being made.
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>>35840410
So is it essentially you get all the parts except the receiver and you put it together? How much work is that? Do you have to machine a receiver from scratch?
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>>35840394
Machine guns can't be imported whole unless you're part of the government cartel.
The only way to get them into the states for retail is to chop up the receivers. The barrels have to be chopped up because the alphabets got mad that they couldn't sell barrels for them so they were banned and also have to be chopped.

Its not often a semi only gun is produced for mliitary uses anymore so its kinda hard to get them in. They have runs of them though. Radom was making PPS pistols for import and you can get one of them as a closed bolt gun, but they're kinda pricey and out of stock usually.

I guess if you were satisfied with a springshit m1a to fill the m14 hole you wouldn't be into parts kits, but some of us want actual military used arms even if it needs some work to become complete.
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Are those Military Sleep systems with the 2 layers and gortex bivy any good?
I want to get it for winter camping, but I'm afraid it won't be waterproof enough, or that it will be really damp with condensation.
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>>35840441
Am machinist, shit would be hard, I've looked into building a falling block, it's harder than it looks even on cnc >>35840410
Could I just buy say an fal parts kit and then a receiver and save money rather than buying an 1100 dollar rifle?
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>>35840394
FAMAS parts kits when?
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>>35840389
>>35840503

Now that's what you call a DESIGNATED marksman's rifle.
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>>35840568
The French government will do either one of two things with the surplus FAMAS':

1.)Give them to some third world shithole as aid

2.)Scrap all of the rifles

You have to remember the French don't give two shits about making money off of these, frankly they (and most other Euro nations) view surplus almost like underwear with holes; worhtless.
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https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/72/2121/

considering more surp
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>>35840507
You're better off asking the mildurp clothes thread that.

I personally found all of them to be tooo cold. The US one in particuluar is feet chilling unless you stuff the bottom with your entire clothes bag.

The Czech (i think) one with the blankets is stupidly warm though. If you want a winter bivy i would def look into slav origin ones.
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What Romanian guns should I look out for?
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>>35840716
A Romanian Mannlicher.
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>>35840786
Man licker.
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>>35838164

Did you see the guy selling the destroyed M39 a thread or two ago?
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>>35838851
>>35838918

I have a box of .22LR that I paid $13 for years and years ago, last weekend was the first time since 2012 that I've seen .22 for under $20 for a box of 500.
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>>35840441

Most of the kinds of gun that have parts kits available have receivers made in country available too. However those receivers are often incomplete and require processing of some sort, whether just a couple of bends or bends, drilling and maybe welding depends on the gun.

You'll have to pic a specific gun to get more specific information.
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>>35840786
Ah, thanks.
What about Romanian Mosins? Romanian Vz.24s are basically the same as the czech version right?
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>>35840940
Or would I be better off buying a Romanian Dragonuv variant? Psl whatever im newguns no bully
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>>35840362
Century built AKs out of parts kits. You are saying parts kits guns count as milsurp, therefore century is manufacturing milsurp. Which is complete bullshit.

Milsurp is (was) manufactured by a state arsenal or a private one under a military contract. Not by bubba in his basement, or monkeys over at century or waffen werks or whoever builds AK kits.
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Which online gun store has good milsurp in stock right now? I can't seem to find anything good that doesn't sell out in 0.1 milliseconds. I'm thinking J&Gsales.
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>>35841802

>Milsurp
>In stock

2010.
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>>35841832
Who can I offer my firstborn child to plus a kidney for a decent Mauser at a good price?
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>>35841802
Classic firearms
They have SKS
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>>35841853
See:>>35841832
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>This item is not available to ship to the following state(s): California
FUCK FUCK FUCK
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>>35840411
>not collecting mosins like stamps
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>>35841866
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGdj3nhEUdI
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>>35841903
stamps are worth more
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>>35841918
>Nogunz polandfag
>Laughing at me
You have no room to talk
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>>35842049
All I did was look up
>bandits laughing stalker
I don't live in poland.
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>>35842062
Laugh all you want but I can still get my hands on a nice Radom Pa64 or the Makarov of my choice thanks to the C&R exception when I turn 21. Unless some Boomer faggots decide to hoard all of those too.
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>>35841545
No century made terrible guns out of extra milsurp parts.
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What makes Finnish Mosins better than the rest?
AND WHY THE FUCK DO ROMANIAN GUNS INTEREST ME SO MUCH
Shit from or near the Balkans is just so interesting
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>>35842630
IIRC they were rebarrelled, given better sights, and a better stock.
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>>35842699
Rebarrelled? So they aren't corroded from war?
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>>35835365
This is what’s gonna happen with those Star BM’s in a few months
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>>35842762
they have a .308 bore instead of the .311 Russian one
also chambered in 7.62x53r
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>>35842785
>53r
What? Why?
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>>35842922
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9753mmR
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>>35842952
How expensive are these rounds?
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>>35835843
>>also factor in Bubba wrecking rifles, thus decreasing the supply even further

This is the least applicable factor. There were what, 20 million nuggets made in total? There are still plenty around, dealers and importers are just being stingy.
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>>35840340
That's a great deal
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>>35843038
I still think Enfields are ugly as fuck, they look incomplete
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>>35843044

England was trying to replace them with a normal-looking gun prior to WW1. Then shit happened.
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>>35842785
>>35842952
Nigger what, id rather buy a non-finnish one at this point, just not a Russian one
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>>35835555
>someone paid as much as a decent used car for three basic bitch mosins
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>finnish mosins go for like 600 or something
>expensive asf rounds
JUSTIFY WHY I SHOULD GET A SPURDO MOSIN
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>>35843122
Just get a 91/30 that looks like a Finn.
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>>35843122
You can shoot regular x54r out of them you know.
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>>35843122
They're the apex of nuggets
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>>35843141
o h
Still why not buy a non-russian mosin? M44 or somethin
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>>35843241
Because people think they're substantially better than Russian Mosins. They're a bit nicer, but it's not a huge difference. It all comes down to preference with milsurp because they all perform about the same. Expect to be able hit a man sized target at 200 yards and shoot 60 rounds before you get tired and consider calling it a day if you aren't a experienced shooter.
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>>35843278
Ah, im saying non-russian cause im under the pretense that Russian Mosins might be corroded to shit so something like a Romanian or Hungarian might be in better shape
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>>35843141
and you'll wear out the bore several times faster than it would otherwise
like enough that bore erosion becomes a problem that you'll face within the decade
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>>35843340
Non-corrosive 54r should exist, or are surplus spam cans too good for the price to pass up?
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>>35843351
I'm not talking about corrosive ammunition, I'm saying that pushing a jacketed .311 slug through a .308 bore will wear the bore down faster than using the proper diameter slug
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>>35843378
O h
Another reason not to get a finn nugget.
Are nuggets even worth it at this point?
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>>35843136
Im always hearing about the 91/30
What about the m44? Anything special bout them?
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>>35843387
>Are nuggets even worth it at this point?

A $200 nugget? Yeah, if you recognize its faults. A $500 no way unless you're a collector. You can get a really nice Mauser-something for that kind of money.

>>35843395
>What about the m44? Anything special bout them?

Huge muzzle flash and a integrated meat skewer.
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>>35843278
>think they're substantially better than Russian Mosins
They are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9UEUiyfvAY
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>>35843432
Would the Nuggie be worth it factoring in PPR? Or does the Mauser still win price wise?
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>>35843387
For what purpose? If you just want a cheap shooter, no - in fact, nobody should buy any milsurp for that purpose at this point. If you like antiques and want a piece of history, then sure - it’s worth whatever amount of money that experience is worth to you.
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>>35843432
>integrated meat skewer
Im assuming this is a spike bayonet
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>>35843446
Shooting, hunting, AESTHETICS, and it being a milsurp gives it sorta a novelty or antique value to it.
Im just not comfortable buying commercial firearms like Savage or Ruger or etc. Milsurps are battle proven while commercial shits is like the wild west, not only do I have to know what company or maker is good I have to then figure out what model is good. Milsurp just looks easier for me to learn guns with
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>>35840210
> lie my way into an engineering gig

I'm not doubting your judgement, but I feel as if they'll catch on that you don't know jack shit about engineering if you just suddenly work a job like that on day 1.

>>35840340
My friend's dad has an Enfield, still in a box caked in cosmoline. Would 150 be a fair price to offer him for it? I think ammo is included. I just noticed when I was hanging out with my friend and I noticed it, and have been thinking about it since July.
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>>35840210
Im atleast going to graduate and then look into Trade School. Im Senior Year im not dropping out now. Plus parents would be furious
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>>35843484
>Would 150 be a fair price to offer him for it?
Fair for you. Its value would depend entirely on the variant, manufacturer, and condition. A beat to hell pakistani no4 is going to be worth a lot less than a minty BSA SMLE
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>>35843497
>Paki Rifle
Why
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>>35843475
>Milsurp seams easier to learn guns with

Spoiler, they really aren't. Your best bet is to go get a used gun in good condition from a lgs then get a range buddy and range time.
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>>35843501
>Why
Because BSA sold their tooling to Pakistan who kept cranking them out
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>>35837974
You whore
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>>35843475
You realize that there's tons of info about commercial arms out there right? And that it's going to be much easier learning the basics on something simple like a used commercial gun? Milsurp may have been a decent first option when they were $70 like in the OP, but that age is over, and while you certainly can use them as a launching point, it's by no means easier.

>>35843484
>Would 150 be a fair price to offer him for it?
Probably not, no. Assuming it's in decent condition and not some Pakistani rust heap like the other anon mentioned, I'd probably expect to pay closer to $300, more with ammo.
But who knows, you may get lucky and get an absolute steal.
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>>35843505
>used gun in good condition
soamilsurp
Im basically thinking that if I learn what makes these battle proven rifles good I can then identify what is ideal in commercial rifles.
The only “manufacturer” im fond of is Zastaca cause Serb
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>>35843442

The huge surplus market for 54R has pretty much dried up. It's cheaper than 8mm Mauser but not by all that much. 7.62neato is the "cheap" one now.
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>>35843537
buy an M48
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>>35843475
Oh shit, you're that idiot from a few threads ago who was convinced commercial rifles are crap because no BATTLE TESTED.

Milsurps can be good rifles but keep in mind in the past when people bought milsurp to actually shoot/hunt with they'd butcher the guns. All those worthless sporterized rifles out there exist because back then poorfags couldn't afford a Winchester or Savage.
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>>35843533
I just want to experience what it was like during old /k/, getting a milsurp like a Mosin (faggot fudd range has a 1 round rule for mosins tho) or Mauser, reloading the bullets and getting the cosmoline out.
Plus if I get good with a garbage rod, I should be fine with a Savage Axis or something, right?
The history behind such rifles are great too, its like they have a story to tell
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>>35843557
Those days are over forever. Now its buy a cheap AR and plink not grab SKS and go innawoods
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>>35843556
No no, I never said they were crap, its just that I trust Milsurps more.
Im sure commercial rifles are great but im just wary of them. So many brands so many models.
Also THE AESTHETICS ARE SHIT REMOVE POLYMER
>>35843565
What about a WASR? Or a SVD model? >>35843544
Can’t FR-8s fire that?
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>>35843475
>I have to know what company or maker is good I have to then figure out what model is good

Congrats, if you've just described the milsurp market. Only it's harder because every gun is 100 years old and nobody knows where the fuck it's been since 1958. It's not uncommon to buy a surplus rifle and find out it's not safe to shoot because the bolt's mismatched. Or that it was converted into some caliber it shouldn't have been. Not to mention surplus rifles usually have lousy bores unless they were refurbished after WW2.
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Had a nice day yesterday, out with the 'surp.
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>>35843576
You can get an M&P15 cheaper than a WASR these days, steel 556 is as cheap as x39 and good mags are cheaper to boot.

FR8 shoots 7.62 NATO
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>>35843580
>bolt is mismatched
Cant you check the serial numvers or whatever?
>rebarrelled into a diff caliber
Like buying a gun some faggot rebarrelled into a diff caliber yet they never told you its rebarrelled when they sold it?
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>>35843576
Buy a used CZ American and call it a day. Not all modern rifles are polymer
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>>35843608
Yea NATO rounds
I remember going to a pawn shop with dad to look at a Gew98 which had been bubba’d, i looked around and saw boxes of Venezuelan Nato rounds. Like 14-15 dollars for 20 rounds
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>>35843661
>2017
>buying ammo from a brick and mortar store
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>>35843707
I didnt buy it cause Nor i or my dad had a gun that shoots that caliber.
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>>35842785
that's bullshit stop spreading fuddlore.
the only Finnish Mosins with .308 bores are some M27s and M28s.
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>>35843707
Whats wrong with pawn shops?
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>>35843808
Overpriced. Anyone who defends pawshops are fudds.
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>>35843576
Holy crap this guy is retarded lol
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>>35843765
>finnuggets have .308 bores
>that's bullshit only some of them do
in any case people should chamber cast/ slug their bore if they aren't sure
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>>35843808
>at pawnshop
>ah a russian capture K98k, how much?
>$1,299
>mfw
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>>35843832
This is a Christian general, adjust your attitude or leave
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>>35843848
make me?
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>>35843832
Im newguns no bully
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>>35843885
he’s one of the ARG trips, they feed on attention so just ignore him
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>>35843902
;) it’s too late, this is my new home.
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>>35843825
>>35843846
I got my Gew 88/05/35 at a pawn shop for $200 about 3 months ago. There are deals, you just have to look for them.
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>>35843926
You can also haggle, right?
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>>35835231
I got mine for less than $100. I think my Tok was my most expensive purchase in the pic.
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>>35843926
Well I'll be damned, $200 for a G88. That is surprising coming out of a pawn shop!
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>>35843954
I THINK SO
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>>35843954
I wish I knew how to work with wood, or any material really. Shit like that sounds like a nice hobby. Metal working wood working leather making all sound good
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How much is a reasonable price for a Colt M1917 that is in good condition?
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>>35843996
Fuckin' gorgeous. I love my '42 HSc.
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>>35843925
>>35843954
>>35843996
this isnt LGBT general
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>>35843996
>no luger
Try hard.
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>>35844069
Stop you’ll anger them...
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>>35844169
Tripfags leave reeeee
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My father told me not to talk to strangers.
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>>35835333
Not anymore, they run around $250 to $300 now, sometimes more.
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can leafs import SVD?
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>>35843940
Yeah, that's how I got it for that price. They though it was a Mauser, they didn't even know it was a Gew 88. They had it labeled as "Mauser 8mm, 1939".
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>>35844230
Oh fine I’ll play nice. Tbh I’m on mobile and forgot to turn it off for /msg/.
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>>35844294
no
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>>35841853

You can get a Mauser for $325 at a gun show, pick related.

>>35842075

There's like...a billion of them on GB ATM. They'll disappear on your birthday.

>>35843288

Every gun has it's own history. You can't say something like "All the Russian ones will be corroded" without looking stupid because there's plenty of Russian ones that are just fine.

Post-war rifles will probably be in better condition, but Russia made them post-war too.

The exception is Chinese because the Chinese used them extensively post-war, so a lot (but not all) of the Chink Mosins are beat to shit.

>>35843610

They don't usually rebarrel them, they just take the existing barrel and modify it. Ream out the chamber more or cut it down a couple inches and basically put a new chamber in.

>>35843940

If a pawn shop won't haggle turn 360 degrees and walk out of there.
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>>35835365
I'm buying up brit sniders and enfield 53s prices have double in 24 months
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>>35835774
>>35835774
>Stop talking about nuggets

Sniders?
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>>35844461
Thanks anon, is there any reason to get a Romanian or Hungarian m44 or a Russian Mosin?
I might be still decided on a mauser flr my first fun cause my dad already has 2 Mosins and Hap Baker a shit.
Though research on Mosins wont hurt
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>>35844499
over a Russian*
Typo
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>>35844499

Not really. You just need to check the condition of it, if it's in good shape then buy it.

Pic is my almost certainly bubbaed M44.
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>>35843109
>decent used car
>14.5k
You could buy 14.5 ACTUAL decent used cars for that.
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>>35844596
This, you can buy a pretty damn nice used car for 14.5, or a new compact car
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>>35843954
Do different countries' SKSes have different stock lengths? I shot a Chinese SKS and the stock was short enough for my wife's daughter.
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Anyone know where I can find a MAS in/shippable to Canada?
They seem to not exist.
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>>35843340
>>35842785
>>35843839
"I'm spreading misinformation to people and am now trying to salvage my Epeen"

90% or more of Finnish Mosins currently available to the buying public are intended to shoot 7.62x54r through a .310-.312 bore. There's no need to take a chamber cast unless you're pants on head retarded and can't figure out model numbers. Bore slugging mosins should always be done as tolerances varied a lot over total production and shooting anything but cast bullets in some rifles is a total waste of time.
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>>35844002
>leather
Depending on what you want to do, it's easier than you'd expect. A lot of it is just tracing and cutting out patterns and then fastening things together. I made a sturdier sling mount for my Yugo SKS than the piece that came with the surplus sling in like 20 minutes.
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>>35843475
>Milsurp just looks easier for me to learn guns with
Not even close. Milsurp is probably the worst to learn how to shoot on. Get a 22 or an AR if you want to learn how to shoot properly.
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>>35844002
leatherwork, and wood work can be very relaxing, almost everything you need to know can be found online or in books online. there’s also a lot of stores that sell supplies and teach classes such as Tandy leather and woodcraft. I love them both so much, I used to do a lot with my dad.

Metal work is a fickle bitch. I can weld, I have built my own forge and made tools and knives, but fuck it it’s too much work for a hobby and if you fuck up it can be really really really dangerous.
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>>35845059
>Milsurp is probably the worst to learn how to shoot on
My $55 Chinese .22lr trainer disagrees.
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>>35845129
Obviously a 22 trainer is exempt from my statement. C'mon man.
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>>35845151
>C'mon man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXBHiFK011Y
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>>35845151
How do you tell if the scope on a mkT enfield is matching/original to the rifle?
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>>35845059
I shot my dads .22 to hell, im boted with it at this point
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>>35845151
Handicaps are for the WEAK
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Speaking of mosins, how are the Chinese mosins? There's one in a pawn shop near me for $160 with a shiny bore.
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>>35845748
They don't seem to have the nice looking stocks of Russian ones, but otherwise they're fine
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>>35844671
>my wife’s daughter
>my wife’s
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>>35845748

They're made on the same equipment as the Russian ones, they're just usually abused. I'd pick one up for $160 if it wasn't thrashed.
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>>35843528
Yup, it was a great time, bayonet was 2 numbers off from matching so I traded it to a buddy for like 150 rounds
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So the first part of my 1917 adventure arrived today. I'd made $60 offer on this and it was accepted:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Original-1917-WWI-Remington-Bayonet-Sword-Knife-USA/382042343437

The pommel was so beaten on it actually was deformed and the lock button was stuck. Rather than try to return it I made a fixture to take the button out and reprofiled the inside and outside of the pommel. I figure with a little rust it'll look appropriate for the age.
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>>35845632
Bored*
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>>35846704

New bread




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