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>>36472243
What’s left of them is in the hands of I*anian “air force” and America’s fleet was put into what amounts to be an industrial paper shredder.
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Because variable geometry wings make maintenance crews want to kill themselves, and everyone around them.
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>>36472272
Yet the Bone is the mainstay of the USAF's bomber fleet.
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>>36472274
no anon. I was in the USAF. The bone is a situational creature for when the B-52 cant orbit, and two F-15Es don't carry enough.

Plus with the advent of the SBD II and its kindred, the need for bulk loads of munitions has decreased.
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A report many years ago put the air time to maintenance at 100 to one.
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>Have to cancel Tomcat or Hornet
>Can't decide
>Put them head to head
>Tomcat beats the shit out of the Hornet no contest twice out of two for free
>Hornet selected anyway
Shit sucks
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>>36472243
It was an expensive maintenance disaster and the Navy only kept hem around as long as they did to protect carrier groups.
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>>36472574
>Tomcat won
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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>>36472243
The F-18 is a far superior fighter.
>>36472305
Those numbers are skewed. Good competent mechanics could have cut that time way down. But you are talking about Navy repairmen.
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>>36472274
The bone doesn’t sit on a carrier accumulating sea water, it gets to sit in a nice climate controlled hangar and it still costs too much to maintain. We are working on it’s replacement.
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Because she is far too good for this world.
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what would a modernized/ retooled F-14 even look like anyway? (assuming its role remained the same)
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would look awesome
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>>36473123
>>36473139
>There's an alternate reality happening RIGHT NOW where either of these went into production in place of the F-22 or F-35
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>>36473123
A short nose doesn't look very good on the F-14.
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>>36473149
extend the nose a bit and it's perfect. Would kill for an undershot.
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>>36473148
Life is torment, yet I feel happy for them.
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>>36472243
The military don't like things that work
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>>36472260
theres still a bunch of them left in the boneyard
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>>36472243
Ok, I'll try this one out.
It doesn't carry enough ordinance to justify its existence anymore, it could carry eight missiles, six phoenixes and two sidewinders or sparrows. For the great majority, it had no ground attack capability. In this six phoenix configuation, it couldn't be safely recovered aboard the carrier because it would max out or exceed recovery weight, the wingspan is so large that it just about rides the border of the safe landing area when the nose is centered, and thus requires a very tight approach to stay in, the vast majority of other options like the F/A-18 take up less deck space, they're simpler to maintain because they don't have variable wing geometry, and the majority of F-14's didn't have GE F110's, but Pratt and whitney TF-30's.

So lets say we bring back the F-14 and rebuild it. First, we'd have to change its avionics, which would be a simple matter of course. New engines could be shrouded in for better performance. But the BIG thing, is that we'd have to redesign the airframe to limit the stress that they incur with extreme ease. Next, we'd have to deal with the loss of deck space just because the thing's so fucking HUGE and the limitations of loadout imposed by the catapult and the sheer mass of the airframe, as well as the limitations imposed by the strength of the cables just because she's so fucking huge.

>>36473081
she's just too fucking huge and heavy for carrier duty.
>>36473168
>F-14 works
Anon, I... No, Fuck it. Video related.
https://youtu.be/6Q_anBB3M0A
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>>36472243
worthless hangar queen built around a weapon that was removed from service and has been completely outclassed by standard missiles and amraams. Be Gone
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>>36472297
>I was in the USAF.
>was
Thats a funny way of saying you have no idea how current operations are being done. The Bone has literally been being used as an on call bomb taxi.
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>>36472243
Aegis does his work better and cheaper.
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>>36472243
Eventually the military put remote piloting in the f-4 and used them as live fire practice with air to air missiles.

That will likely be the fate of the f-14.
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Bringing back the Tomcat, or The F22 into production is something really easy to explain.

lets use legos as a proxy,

I want to make a Lego snow speeder,
I have the booklet right here.

now all i need are the things to make it out of, the Legos,
Ill just buy a plastic injection molding machine and commission the Chinese to manufacture the molds for the bricks.

Both planes are old, and if tehy were brought into produdction tehy would need parts taht no longer are made.

So you upgrade them with new components.

well we are redesigning it for new computers and radar, and to take a new engine, may as well reinvision the airframe, and reconcider the aerodynamics.

TLDR: it would be just as hard to design a new plane and manufacture it as it would be to build the F-22, or F-14
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>>36472574
source?
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>>36472243
Because their chassis are being refit for space combat
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>>36473584
100% right
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> no more freeway to the threat area

Hold me bros
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I guess this is the best place to ask:
Considering American Military has all these cool toys, do servicemen get assigned to them or can they choose/ask to be assigned to certain equipment?
Like, can an Airforce pilot barge in this commanders office, bang his fist on the desk and say
>With all due respect commander I joined the Air Force for one reason and one reason only and is it rain unholy BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT on the Republics enemies so I implore you to put me in a Warthog so I can serve our country to my utmost ability!
Do you specifically apply to an Armored division if you want to roll around in a Abrams?
How does it work.
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>>36473863
No, not at all. Jesus, what modern military would do shit like that? You go to schools that train you for specific roles and vehicles.
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>>36472243
Because muh maintenance
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>>36473875
My example was a joke and exaggeration.
The question was when you are applying to be a pilot for USA Airforce, do you also specify what sort of aircraft you would like to fly or does the Command decide where to send you?
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>>36473863
you apply to be Senior Aerial Bomb Thrower Man, you get to Aerial Bomb Thrower Man school, they teach you to fly the aerial device that throws bombs from the air, at some point you may have a choice to pick which type of aerial device you'll throw bombs from. If you want to fly an A-10, say it. if you're lucky and there's a need for it you'll be trained to fly an A-10, otherwise you'll be trained to fly whatever the military wants you to fly.

you don't get to just do whatever you want to do, but the military does give you a bit of a choice since they need to keep morale up. but you don't get to flip your recruiter's desk and start autistically screeching about how you want to BRRRRRRRRT.

>>36473889
it depends on your aptitude and what's needed at the moment. you're not going to be transitioning to A-10s when you're halfway through your C-130 training.
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>>36473904
That is what I wanted to hear.
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>>36472243
Because the Super Hornet is actually really fucking good
https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/docs/990414-ART-Super-Hornet.htm
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>>36473247
>she's just too fucking huge and heavy for carrier duty.

Sure, it didn't have the great HUD that A-7s or F-18s used for landing, but if it were unworkable it wouldn't have lasted as long as it did.

>Anon, I... No, Fuck it. Video related.

A bad pilot who shouldn't have her wings kills herself is somehow the jet's fault?
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>>36473240
Yeah and have been sitting out in the desert for more than 20 years. The work that would need to be done on them would probably cost more than the whole f-35 project. And that's before the avionics upgrades that would be required to bring it up to date
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>>36473240
>tfw civilian pilot sales
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>>36473093
There have been rumors for a while now that the Iranians want to re-engine their Tomcats with the Flanker’s engines. Maybe it’ll happen and maybe it won’t. We’ll see.
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>>36473123
Aw, man, this looks more hideous then the Fagg-35!
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>>36473425
>>36473428
>>36473432
Holy shit, the Imperium of Man's Techpriests would reatach flesh and blood limbs to themselves instead of their prosthetics if they could get their hands on these.
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>>36473247
>RSO survived by 0.4 seconds
Imagine how he feels whenever he remembers that.
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>>36474656
"Wow, I'm not dead"
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>>36474524
*accidentally flies to iran*
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>>36472574
Never happened faggot. And the Super Hornet is a more capable aircraft than the F-14.
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>>36473123
>Swing wing
>Stealth
Pick one.
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>>36474656
"LOL dumb bitch"
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>>36472243
All the USN Tomcats were destroyed. The only remaining air frames are in a museum or in service with Iran.
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>>36473247
Are you actually using that retard as an example as the f14 fucking up since she did everything she wasn't supposed to do?
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>>36474505
I don't blame them
>Be Tomcat engine
>Stall
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>>36472587

>cut time down

At the cost of LOSING more Tomcats.
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>>36472243
Why would anyone other than a Tomcat pilot or Topgun fan want to bring back that hangar queen? Hornet and SuperHornet do everything Tomcat did better.
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F-14s were designed to take down the fleets of Soviet Navy bomber carrying ASMs.
This isn't really a threat anymore.
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>>36475912
>Hornet and SuperHornet do everything Tomcat did better.

Except have the range and speed to intercept and a radar powerful enough to give cancer to people in the moon.
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>>36476229
>Radar
>Cancer
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>>36476358
?
It can burn your skin but not damage your dna?
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>>36476645
Sure. Basically anything can give you cancer, so it's not a complete zero there. But unless you wanna consider the risk of getting throat cancer from eating hot food...

Microwaves aren't particularly keen on smashing up our DNA chain. They just heat shit up, mostly resulting in outright dead cells as the proteins start failing, instead of cancerous ones.
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>>36476645
It doesn't have enough energy to break chemical bonds. It's like boiling water, where your biggest concern is going to be burns.
The other thing I've seen people (one guy) claim is that it changes how your calcium channels behave, but that's utter pseudoscience.
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I was given a ticket three years ago for reckless driving, but I got the charge dropped after I took a driving course. Should I put that on my SF-86?
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>>36477182
Fuck, wrong thread
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>>36473093
Essentially an F-15 with a modernized AIM-54 Phoenix
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>>36477182
Sounds like you felt the need...the need for speed.
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>>36473265
lol fucking where?

I'm active AF, been to almost every base in the AOR in the past few years and never seen a single B1 anywhere other than Guam.
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>>36473912
Also depends on how you commission.
Academy kids get first dibs.
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So, you want to reproduce a weapon that doesn't currently exist that was made to fight a country that doesn't exist that was a counter to a military strategy that doesn't exist to carry a missile that doesn't exist.

God, /k/ is fucking brilliant.
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>>36477449

The Chinese are the new Russians anon
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>>36477555
Do the chinese have swarms of anti-ship missile carrying heavy bombers to throw at our carrier groups or would they just use their hypersonic antiship missiles instead?

Which one of those does the F14 defend against?
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>>36477710

What are we gonna shoot at their launching sites and vessels with?
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They can't bring them back because they scrapped them all
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>>36476358
generally when i read something like that i consider it an amusing joke and keep going rather than stopping the thread so i can have an autistic screech fest about what is an is not ionizing radiation and the potential long-term effects of radio waves on the human chromosone.
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>>36477721
Certainly not a Phoenix anti-air missile that the F14 would carry.
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>>36477154
it absoluetely does, when you cook shit at normal termperatures you mess up all sorts of chemical bonds and change proteins. i can break chemical bonds at all sorts of fucking temperatures.

it doesn't have the energy to ionize, which is something else entirely. fucking seriously, if you're going to autist the fuck out at least try and have some sort of techinical education first you fucking high school moron.
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>>36472595
>The bone sits in a climate-controlled hangar.

That's not how you spell out on the flightline in the snow. Oh, and it takes roughly 3 B-1's to launch one. A replacement can't come sooner.
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>>36474524
why hasn't this become a thing yet?

>be freelance fighter pilot and target bomber
>heavily modified f-14 that can compete with the current standard
>personal crew and home base onboard a large transport plane
>get hired by various countries during war, civil war, and terror operations

I imagine that, while maintaining all that to stay operational, it would be vastly cheaper to hire a merc for a cunt than to use their own force and possible loss of troop/gear/.
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>>36478332
yeah good luck with that
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>>36478332
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>>36478332

Happened in the Ethiopia-Eritrea war
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>>36472595
Good thing the B-1 is cheaper per flight hour than both the B-2 and B-52 then.
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>>36472297

What brand golf clubs did your captain have?
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>>36478739
>and B-52
Barely. And I believe it wouldn't be wrong to say that's solely because of the good old neverending "reengining of B-52" saga.
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>>36474524
The US government has a policy of not selling any fighters past gen 3 to civilians. That’s why you see privately owned F-4 Phantoms but not F-16s or F-18s.
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>>36478810
Also parts for the B-1 are pretty rare. They are literally cannibalizing planes on sticks.
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>>36474524
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>>36477182
>>36477189
Let me guess, /o/?
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>>36477342
Runs in the family. My dad was a Tomcat driver.

>>36479229
No, /meg/. I'm working on my Navy OCS packet for aviation.
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>>36478332
because helicopters are cheaper for that kind of shit
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>>36473149

Xenonauts is a fun game!
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>>36475229
to be quite honest, if it wasn't for the TF30 being super prone to stalls under yaw, the shit show that followed would have been prevented, even if it was entirely error on her part.
>>36474656
Oh well, nothing of value was lost
>>36474498
how does the HUD have to do with that issue? That's a matter of electronics that would be reworked just as a matter of course. The issue raised is that it's too fucking huge and heavy to carry full loadouts unless it's guaranteed to use some of them because it's too heavy to be recovered with full loudouts, so it would either have to be redesigned to perform missions with higher drop probability or redesigned with an aim toward making the airframe lighter for the purposes of recovering it without droping unspent munitions into the sea because it needs to make recovery weight. and as for the video, I would STILL contend that she every mistake she made was her fault... but the F-14A was a shitshow unworthy of flight anyway. They should have went with better engines from the start.
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>>36479433
Oops
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>>36473425
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>>36478332

You'll be thrown in jail very quickly.
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>>36478332
ignoring the illegality, you're looking at $100+ million to equip, maintain, and crew your F-14 and a cargo plane big enough to ship it with even moderate mission-capabikity.

Buying a cheap fighter, training an officer to fly it, and having a bunch of conscripts maintain and arm it with export parts and weapons is much more cost-effective.
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Robotech was a mistake
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>>36478947
Would you be able to buy an A-10 with a deactivated GAU-8?
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>>36474656
>dumb women
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>>36480211
I don't believe you.
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>>36473543
Same thing happening to surplus f-16s now.
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>tfw no AWACS Tomcat
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>>36472297
>Plus with the advent of the SBD II and its kindred, the need for bulk loads of munitions has decreased.
>144 SDBs
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>>36477365
Trashcanistan
Idk how it is now but ~2016 they would have a B1 on constant patrol prepared to deliver 500 lb JDAMs. They'd refuel it and stuff, keep it flying for like 16 hours straight awaiting tic calls.
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>>36478947
Maybe in the somewhat distant future, though?
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>>36472243
Maybe YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE LITERALLY SHREDDED THEM INTO ALUMINUM CONFETTI WASTING A BILLION DOLLARS IN TAX-PAYER MONEY!
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>>36481808
they were falling apart anyway, only 141 of them had the GE 110-400 engines, while the other ~670 had Pratt and Whitney TF30 P414A engines, which were in addition to being underpowered for the airframe, anemic, and prone to compressor stalls. Hell, the F-14A's even lacked Radar Warning receivers, and the F-14D didn't even have Amraam support, and couldn't be recovered with a full combat load.
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>tomcatfags still in denial about the Tomcat being an outdated hunk of shit
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>>36483499
That's why we want to build a modern Tomcat, not refurbish the broken down hulks in the desert. Something worthy of the Top Gun name.
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>>36477818
Dat ass nigguh
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>>36478739
I’m sure we have aircraft carriers cheaper to maintain than the B2.
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>>36477182
Yes, better to give too much, than hold back and have them find it. It's really to see how honest you are, they're gonna dig into your background anyway.
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>>36483619
For what purpose?




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