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Macro shots edition

Previous thread >>36732942
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1955 RAF Fazakerly no.4 mkII meet 1904 LSA SMLE mkI

NOW KITH
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cmp combo
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CMP M1 (1944 Receiver) with the last of the Kar98ks (TGF 50).
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>>36757846
Thats some really nice looking grain on the no4
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How to react when some normie at the range chimes "Thats the gun from PUBG!" ?
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>>36757997
"Ok"

What other response would that merit?
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>>36757798
HRA
R
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>>36757798
Local gun store has a SMLE No5 jungle carbine for 700. Am stupid and didn't take pics
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>>36758210
k i n g o f p i n g
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>his Garand isn’t from WW2
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Betty was born February 1944. Still has her original barrel.
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>>36758547
>singular
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This is now a pinger thread.

Post ping.
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She don't ping no more, anons.
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Just got a real nice m96 all matching aside the cleaning rod for $275
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>>36758917
More
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If anyone here was going to go to the gunshow in Oaks, PA don't bother. Not a lot of stuff, the stuff that's there's asking price is double market value. Average price for a No4 Mk1 was around $700. I blame Sweaty Ben for this shit.
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>>36759026
Hes at least partially at fault
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>>36758950
Damn, I just paid $400 for mine. Of course, mine is a Genuine Mauser Brand Mauser.

Welcome to the club.
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>>36758970
kay. this one also doens't ping
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>go to gun store
>Turk Mauser on the rack
>crown and rifling is rusted pretty badly
>no numbers matching
>$700

But why
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>>36759084
I meant more of the WRA M14 but thats neato too. Are you going to build a BM59?
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>>36759122
Yea. Shop needs to dethaw so i can actually do enough work on the receivers.
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>>36759026
>$700
Kek. Check these two out. I don't think this guy knows anything about No.4's.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/743853859

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/746692412
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>>36759226
>yfw its getting to the point where $700 would be a "reasonable" price for a no4
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>>36759226
tbf i dont think that guy actually sells guns
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>>36759260
>unwrapped Irish/RAF contracts start selling at $1000+

>>36759266
At those prices I agree with you.
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>>36759456
Keep digging, I got mine for 700
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>>36759096
>But why
Do they think it's still in the original 7.65x53mm? IS it 7.65x53mm?
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So is shipping included in sales tax?
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Hello ATF? I'd like to report 5 stolen M-1s and one M-14. Yes I have the serial numbers right here...........
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>Own a Winchester
> All I want is an International harvester

Am I just being ungrateful.
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>>36760080
You know that's not how things work right? Just like I can't call the DEA and say you're smuggling coke and have them burst through your door.
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>>36760232
Actually that is EXACTLY "how things work"
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>>36760080
>Sure what’s your name and address sir? Any proof of purchase could help

>>36760123
Maybe. You could always buy one. They are in some ways the worst of the Garands, but hyped up since
>muh tractor
And they’re somewhat uncommon
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>>36760256
only if you actually believe the memes
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>>36760080
Feel free to report it. Its was already sold as scrap by them years ago :^)
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>>36760080
We'll get right on that anon. Do you have a purchase date that conflicts with the transfer we okay'd? What you actually lost them years ago before calling us today? Can you give the date they were stolen or the police report that proves you lost them before anon2 bought them from a dealer and put it in his c&r record?
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>>36760080
Here's a publicly available list of Garand serial numbers. Have at it champ.

http://usriflecal30m1.com/MasterList/List.aspx
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any love for the swiss?
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>>36761065
Thats a very clean looking toblerone
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>>36759065
I think I only bought it because I linked you that one from gb and regretted not getting it. and it being cheap ofc.
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>>36760123

>mfw I have a harvester
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So my Mauser carbine is missing the band that holds on the top hand cover at the rear of the wood. Do y'all know what the part name is or where I can find one?
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Hey m8s, I posted this in the QTDDTOT, but this seems like a better place for it:Hey /k/, I just disassembled my M48 Mauser bolt (rather violently) and I noticed the cocking piece has some kind of dubious angle on it, pic related. Is this normal? Should I replace it or is it safe to fire? Really looking for an answer
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>>36761337
retaining ring
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>>36761411
dont think it should look like that. luckily you can get a new one for cheap
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>>36761601
Thanks mate
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>>36761643
That's what I was thinking, I heard that the K98 cocking piece is almost the same as the M48, but sometimes they don't fit correctly. Oh well, here goes.
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What kind of basic maintenance do you guy's do for your M1's?
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>>36761755
>numrich out of stock
They have complete bolts in stock for $55. Thats a lot but you'd have some spare parts. Not the best route but its an option.

Product #: 1234630
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>>36761787
Grease all the contacting points, most notably where the op rod and underside of the barrel contact as well as the points where the bolt contacts the receiver. Lubriplate is great for that, its what they used and its cheap. I typically only take mine apart once a year for a deep clean, just swap the barrel, bolt face and breech between range trips. Strongly suggest getting good gas plug wrenches.
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>>36761787
Typically as little disassembly as possible, particularly for the gas cylinder. Grease on sliding surfaces of the bolt/op rod/receiver, oil on other areas.

Unless you are shooting weekly or something, excessive cleaning will probably result in more wear and tear on your rifle than the actual shooting. As long as you aren't using corrosive ammo, cleaning a service rifle can be relatively infrequent.
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>>36761854
*swab
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>>36760336
>transfer
nobody does this
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>>36761820
That's probably what I'll end up doing, I want parts that will fit for sure. Appreciate your help.
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>>36761820
>>36761755
Actually, shit, that is just the bolt body without the back pieces, so I'll need to find something else.
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>>36761962
Anyone with a transferrable full auto does.
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>>36761065
If nothing else, they make very handsome rifles.
>>36761269
I must say, yours does look very nice. What year?
>>36761787
Wipe down every 6 months since I don't shoot it. And a light coat of oil for the metal parts.
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>>36762369
1907
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Some hard choices at the gun shows today. I saw TWO Husky M38s at the first gun show, and nearly went for one of them, but decided that since I had another show to go to I shouldn't. At the second show I strongly considered grabbing a MAS 36 to go with my 36/51 and a Polish M44 which I keep putting off because the finish is worn before deciding on an FR 8 with bayonet for $325. Also pictured is my new Swede bayonet for my M96.

Anyone else have somethign to share with the class today?

>>36758547

Mine is from the month after the war ended IIRC.

>>36759852

No.
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>>36761065

I want to get a long 11 or a 96/11, then I'll have a basic set. At that point I'll have to start working on a ZfK 55...

>>36761962

I actually insisted on doing a transfer earlier today, the seller was going to let me go without it but
A: I'm not interested in meeting the ATF even if I wouldn't mind if they shot the dog.
B: It's the law.
C: They probably wouldn't have let me out the door without the sticker anyway.
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>>36761820
Yup, seems that m48 cocking pieces are unobtainium. Fuck me.
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>>36762784
You may just have to make your own, either from scratch or by modifying a similar part. That's where I am with trying to find an M712 magazine catch.
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>>36762784
See if you can find a vz24 one. That may work
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>>36763086
Thanks for the idea, Numrich does have them in stock... I'll probably end up getting one of those and a k98 one and hopefully one works. >>36763086 is last resort.
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>>36763341
thats fake senpai
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>>36757798
You did say macro...
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>>36763349
Pretty sure the provenance hold up on this one mate. It was a bring back.
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>>36757798
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>>36763341
>>36763349

>skinny conflict vultures
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>>36763386
Flaming bombs are neat
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Anyone own an m1 carbine?
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>tfw can't decided to buy Garand food or a Jericho
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>>36763503
Yep, got it last year, it's an IBM.
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Triple allied threat
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>>36760123
CMP south store has a few instore for 960.
I took a /k/omrade trip a few weeks ago to get mine, I recommend the journey my friend
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>>36763575
>no Lebel or Berthier

rectify your error
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>>36763596
Allied not surrender monkey
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>>36763596
I’m working on a lebel. But preferably a mas36 because of the availability of surplus ammo to me, god bless having an FFL
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>>36763503
2 of them
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What do you guys think this will sell for? Ive always wanted a, not american, krag.
>https://www.gunbroker.com/item/740498508
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Tax refund hit the bank Today. I'm $140 short of an M1, and there just so happens to be a gunshow in town this weekend. I could try and sell some things off, but what? I'm too attached to my old danger sticks
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>>36763640
Thats going to go for probably like 3k and the ammo doesnt exist. Dope af though
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>>36763658
Save up a bit?
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>>36763662
I can reload. And why would it go that high?

https://www.ima-usa.com/products/original-danish-model-1889-krag-jorgensen-rifle-dated-1891
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>>36763670
That's boring though.
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>>36763684
Have you not seen this guys auctions before?
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>>36763774
Yea I have, I am just hoping this one wont go so high, I know his shit is normally rare as fuck but this rifle doesnt seem THAT rare.
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>>36763790
Id be shocked if it goes for less than one you linked. Good luck though
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>>36763823
I am hoping it does, if it sales for around 1k I will buy it, if not I am going to bid this thing till 5kish or so.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/743193462
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Why did the 1600's breechloader that Ian showed get pulled from auction?
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>>36763881
I'm going to hope the seller reached a deal with a museum.
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>>36763897
Same here. If were rich and bought that...I'd wanna see if it could fire.
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>>36763881
What breechloader are you talking about? I don't remember seeing one recently. Also, how long will this upload once every two days last lads? I miss my daily Ian.
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>>36763987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beOgmCxeh7A
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I finally went and shot my Argentine and the vz98.
I liked shooting them.
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>>36763738
>fiscal responsibility
>boring
That’s the idea
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>>36763987
>>36764008

But remember, the Founding Fathers only envisioned muskets.
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>>36764018
I forgot to post the photo I took for you guys.
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>>36763684
>why would it go that high?
I dunno anon.
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>>36764138
Fuck this guys auctions, such nice shit but the prices are just insane.
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>>36764024
>Fiscally responsible

Thank god I'm not or I wouldn't have so many rooty tooty point n shootys
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>>36764036
>tfw feel like an autismo for carrying 4+ milsurp guns to the range
I always get people giving me funny looks because of it. Meanwhile everyone else at my range has some mall ninja AR or Grandpa Fudd's durr huntin' rifle. On the bright side, I finally got ammo reloaded for my Type99, and it shoots great.
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>>36764227
>tfw spent $25k on guns last year
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>>36764242
But Anon, the only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already an autismo, and the sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as an anon is supposed to function
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>>36764246
Ok I'm not THAT bad, but I'm pretty bad.
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>>36764246

>tfw bought 17 guns over the past year
>it all amounts to maybe 10 grand
>ammo adds another 3-4 grand
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>>36764246

Heh heh, I'm coming to your house when the zombies apocalypse happens.
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>>36764370
Fuck I hate when my friends say this.
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>>36764394
Its a bad meme.

>ha yeah take that 98 and some stripper clips
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>>36764346
>having a stable home with a wife and children
VS
>some really old hunks of metal that have wood pieces attached to them
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>>36764242
Normally I'm at the range with just my father.
However today people came just as we were finishing up.
They had a couple of ARs with them and pistols.
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>>36764420
More like

>take the martini henry
>dont forget to affix the bayonet becuz youre going to need it
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>>36764246
Damn, I only spent a little over 6000. I guess I need to up my game.
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>>36758497
It'd be sporterized shit they're trying to rip people off with. Real jungle carbines in any decent condition cop a premium price tag.
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>>36764589
>700 for an enfield
>not a premium price tag
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>>36764424

I don't understand what you're saying
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>>36764424
>having a stable home with a wife and children
>implying that's even an option for me at this point

all I do is lift weights and collect guns. I'm not good at getting bitches desu.
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>>36764420
>>36764457
>Don't forget to pick up our brass, guys.
I can hardly find the damn ammo here.
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>>36759260
My LGS wants $750 for one
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>>36763839
That gun is either fake or rare enough to sell for 10k.
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My friend just sent me a few pictures of a No4 Mk II with this magazine that I've never seen before. Can anyone tell me more about it?
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>>36765024
It's looks like a 308 mag.
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>>36765024
It's for an Enfield chambered in 7.62x51.
I believe those are Ishaphores.
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>>36765024
Might be a promag aftermarket.
>>36765104
With a rear aperture sight?
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>>36765104
Ishapore never made No4 rifles, especially in .308
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>>36765126
>>36765140
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said anything.
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>>36765104
>>36765126
He just sent me another photo showing it to be a No4 Mk1 instead of Mk2 if that makes a difference.
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>>36765024

that's an enfield pro-mag. I bought one that has that exact lip thing coming out.

>tfw it doesn't fit in my no4 mk 2.

feels bad
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>>36765289
Is this image from that liberal movie with the white girl who is a nigger lover?
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>>36765024
>early cocking piece
Nice. You don't see them too often
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>>36765024
>round cocking piece
>reinforcing strap rather than tie and screw
Thats a mk1

>>36765197
Minor differences overall from mk1 to mk2. Mag is probably a promag as pointed out. Are you looking to buy?
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>>36765685
No, my FFL knows that I'm into milsurp, so he texted me asking what it was. I just never took interest in enfields so I figured I'd ask here to give him some information in turn.
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>>36757798
Macro, you say?
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>>36757798
I've got you anon.
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Are there any good semi auto milsurp rifles under $500 left since all the good cheap sks's are now gone?
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>>36764242
My last few range trips I've brought nothing but milsurps. Last time I had a nugget, 1903a3, Garand, Mauser, 1917 and my AK74. The last one doesn't quite count, but it's bone stock wood and steel so it fits in.
The sooner you accept your autism, the sooner you achieve one-ness with the /k/ube.
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>>36766087
you can still get an SKS for under 500, yugos are about 400, even russians can be had around 500 sometimes
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>>36766087
You can find Vz52s for less than 500 occasionally.
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MACRO
A
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>>36766087
mosins, some mausers, and arisakas are still below 500$
>inb4 "good"
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>>36766391
>semi auto
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>>36766251
cant understand why you would want one though
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North American firearms aesthetics are peak firearms aesthetics, can't get better than deep bluing and Black Walnut.
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>>36764242
>>36766160

>Going to the range to shoot.
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>>36767003
>Wants to deposit lead into ground near his parent's home
>Can't shoot when he wants because mother will bitch
You're losing
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>>36763596

Yeah! They were in the fight for a whole...2 months!

>>36763662

>yfw you're the high bidder on a Danish Krag and your bid is currently 500

>>36764246

I'm at 12kish all told including ammo. Not bad for a pizza delivering college student.

>>36764424

>implying I could attract a woman.

>>36765324

Back2/pol/

Also she's actually not, she's pretending so that they can steal his body.

>>36767003

Monday is my birthday, so I'm gonna go ping my gong out back I think.
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>>36767003
ty for the new desktop background anon
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>>36766853
Because they're cool? Why else would you buy any milsurp?
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>>36767099
>They were in the fight for a whole...2 months!
Vichy France fought until the Liberation, as well as Free French forces in Africa and Vietnam.
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>>36767132
For practical purposes.
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>>36767099
>this faggot doesn't know about Free France
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>>36767105
Have another one.
>>36767132
That's why I've gotten all my surp.
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Shitty close up 1 of 2. I have no idea what they were using on these maks to mark them, but it looks kinda terrible.
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>>36767470
shitty close up 2 of 2. Seriously, the markings on this gun are 50 years older and actually look nice if a bit worn.
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>>36767153

>milsurp
>practical in 2018
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>>36767137
I wouldnt call vichy france the pinnacle of french resistance.

Which garand is best garand? Im sure theyre all mixmasters at this point though. Also which surp pistol should i start with. Im thinking if i lose RIA il go with a garand/1911 combo from the cmp. I think a webely would be neat but .455 seems like a pain to source or make.
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>>36767569
Pretty much all garands are mixmasters, period. IMO, someone who takes parts to “correct” a garand is just a bubba. Any garand with any properly made parts should function the same.
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>>36767279
This shit makes me miss living in the driftless zone, just a bit.
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>>36767569
>Which garand is best garand?
In terms of functionality and quality probably post war SA or HRA

>>36767666
>Pretty much all garands are mixmasters, period.
Most, not all. You can still find some in unissued or near unissued shape, just like they left the factory. Only problem is these days they command a serious premium. Other than that, some well used ones are near original. I just bought an IHC that was correct minus the elevation pinion and gas plug.
>someone who takes parts to “correct” a garand is just a bubba
I guess that makes CMP bubbas since they sell correct grades
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>>36765126
>Promag:Because No One Else Makes These Magazines Anymore!
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>>36767569
>wouldnt call vichy france the pinnacle of french resistance
I didn't. They were an Axis nation afterall.
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I need a semi-auto surp.
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>>36769882
the choice is obvious
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>>36769914
thats king poorfag your talking to. He means an sks
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>>36769925
$630 for a field grade aint bad
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>>36769882
Get a 49/56, we don't see those here much these days.
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>>36769914
Nah.
>>36769925
Thanks noguns.
>>36769954
Maybe if I find one. I'm doing a pawn shop run on a few places near me in a couple weeks. I'd like a CZ52 though, they look sexy as fuck.
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>>36770070
>Nah.
plebian taste
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>>36770070
>I'd like a CZ52 though, they look sexy as fuck.
You mean a Vz52? Because that's the rifle. Unless you meant the pistol in the first place and I'm just a dumbass.

I might get a vz52 this year. Definitely gonna get a 49/56.
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>>36770070

I like the folding bayonets, but the snowflake caliber leaves me uninterested personally.
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Damn the bayonet looks comically oversized with my Type 38 carbine. Did japan only use those giant sword bayonets for everything?
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>>36770882

IIRC the Type 30 is the only one they had unless you count the integral bayonet on the Type 44.
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Picked this up a week ago
Gave it a quick cleaning, but the damn thing was already spotless. Let me tell you the memes about that double action are true.
Came with a matching magazine and a spare
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What stripper clips should I get for 6.5 Japanese? Do Swede clips really work in pretty much anything that's got a mauser action?
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>>36771204
They're your best bet for an affordable option but they might not work every time, especially since the rim diameter for the 6.5 Arisaka is a bit smaller than the 6.5 Swede.
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>>36771204
>What stripper clips should I get for 6.5 Japanese?
6.5x50mmSR stripper clips.
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>>36771251
Will you make a pie for me?
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>>36771204
You can also try these. For $12 it can't hurt, you get some dummy rounds as well.

https://m.ebay.com/itm/1-Pack-Japanese-Arisaka-Type-38-6-5X50-snap-caps-dummy-rounds-with-Stripper-Clip-/332383141791
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>>36771295
What kinda pie you like fambrai? Fruit? Cream?
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>>36771373
Apple pie.
I just want to look at it and imagine what it tastes like.
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>>36767569
>Which garand is best garand?
Honestly the muzzle and throat erosion is the biggest factor. If you're looking for how well done the machining was, post Korea HRA's and SA are arguably the best. IHC had a few production issues, but were still good.

> Im sure theyre all mixmasters at this point though.
When troops would clean their rifles, they would throw the different parts into tubs of solvent together. Then just use whatever they grabbed. So yes, realistically most are mixmasters.
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>>36771561
if that was true there'd be headspace kabooms aplenty
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Filling out form for my first CMP Garand. I'm super excited to print/mail all this crap Monday.
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>hicock45 mosin pu chapter 2 video
>it's a John video
mfw. wish he'd stay on his own channel
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>>36771977
>yfw you have no face
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>>36771977
I think he's just getting ready to push up daises.
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>>36771930
What are you going to order
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Are Vz.98/22 's zeroed for 100 meters on the sights or do they still retain a longer base sight range?
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>>36772008
Field grade. I'm an entitled millennial who doesn't wanna wait 2months for a pinger
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>>36771875
Not really. Garands were universally head spaced to the same specs for each rifle from all manufacturers. Plus it's well known that the marine core in particular did this, and it's why there were issues with field trial weapons that were fielded in the pacific. They weren't made to the same consistency so if you got another part than your own it'd likely jam up or otherwise malfunction.
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>>36772059
Going to make any requests?
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>>36772077
And I mean think about nuggest too. They weren't exactly the most quality controlled things since the red army needed shit QUICK and in large quantities. Yet you don't hear tales of people's post war refurbs blowing up in their faces. And those were just mix matches of various parts outside of receiver and barrel that were force matched serial numbers. It's a miracle my converted dragoon only has two non Tula parts.
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>>36772094
"Give me one that's nice to rub my penor on"
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>>36772041
>Are Vz.98/22 's zeroed for 100 meters on the sights or do they still retain a longer base sight range?
Lowest number on the Turkish-marked sight is 400 meters; same as a Gew.98. I think the original Czech sight started at 300m like the Vz.24's does, but I've only ever seen one Vz.98/22 that didn't go to Turkey and I can't remember the sight graduations.
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>>36772094
"No major cracks" or something similar. I'd like to have a sound stock, dings and dents are fine
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>>36772171
How about pre war swed mausers?
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>>36772256
Only pre-WW1 Mauser rifles I can think of with 100m zero is the Belgian Model 1889.
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>>36772286
Well, I mean I can stand a 200 meter minimum like some flip sighted enfields from late WW2 production, (only shooting at 20 to 50 meters on the average where I end up shooting.) But if it's three hundred or four hundred... -.-
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>>36772127
People greatly exaggerate how dangerous being slightly out of headspace can be.
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>>36772325
>20m
>with a rifle
for what purpose
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>>36772330
Anon you responded to here. You're very right. People here in the US got paranoid over it because of some rechambering of imported surp in either post war period that ended up going boom.
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>>36772346
Just having fucking fun shooting that's not at some goddamn range where I can only shoot a piece of paper. I live in Washington so the only free areas to shoot that aren't going out hunting is up in the foothills of the cascades.
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>>36772189
You can request a lot more than that. They only a possibility of hairline cracks so I wouldn't worry much about that and honestly nobody is going to sit their and scour for those as they're largely a non-issue
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>all this talk of battle sight ranges
I never really thought about this. Anyone know the battle sight ranges of
>Mosin 91/30
>SMLE
>Type 38 Carbine
>SKS

I haven't really noticed any issues shooting them, but it could just be that I'm such a shit shot that I don't realize the gun is shooting way higher than I'm aiming at 50-100 yards.
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>>36772369
Are very limited without owning a decent bit of land.
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>>36772325
>20 to 50 meters
Actually a 400m zero works surprisingly well at close range because the bullet is rising to intersect the sight line.
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>>36772379
enfields were zeroed to 200 yards google the rest you lazy fucker
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>>36772379
Mosin is 100
SMLE is 200
Type 38 should be 100 given it's time of manufacture
And SKS should be 100.
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>>36772391
Early/pre war no.4's battle sights were 100. Just not marked since the markings were on the flip up. Which started at 200.
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>>36772389
Also, actually fairly good to know then... Might try raising my mosin sights next time I get to take it out and give it a try.
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>>36772389
>the bullet is rising
never took physics I take it
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>>36772397
Awesome thanks m8.

>Type 38 should be 100 given it's time of manufacture
What do you mean by this? Best I can tell it's a mid-series Tokyo manufacture, which would put it around 1920 assuming they made the same number of rifles each year.
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>never took physics I take it
I have, at least, completed elementary grammar & punctuation.
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>>36772426
My mistake Thought you were talking a non japanese. That'd make the battle sight 300.
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>>36772497
>I can say stupid shit proper like
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>>36772497
I think he meant rise as in the elevation of barrel to target makes it cross the sight picture fairly well on target for close range.
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>>36772508
>type 38
>non japanese
What's that?
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>>36772369

>tfw live in washington

this state is cucked I swear
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>>36772422
When aimed at a target beyond the muzzle the gun has to be pointed up so that the bullet descends to where the target is.
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>>36772567
Yep thats how friction and gravity work, not "rising bullets"
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>>36772566
It's just the way the land in the western half is more than anything.
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>>36772579
>friction
u wot m8
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>>36772579
Well, either way, I got what was 'meant' out of it. the barrel elevation works well enough at closer range that it still puts it more or less on target at close range.
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>>36772609
air resistance
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>>36772598
And me not living in the southern half of the state as well. If I were east side, finding somewhere to shoot on public land would be a hell of a lot easier.
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>>36772598
Oregon isn't so bad, is it?
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>>36772663
Don't know by experience, but there's more public land in the foothills, mountains and woods than up here I imagine.
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>>36772621
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>>36772609
t. no physics
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got an all matching enfield possibly tanker revolver for 280, an all matching no1 mk3* ishapore? for 225 and some books, an all-matching PHP for 190 and a M8 spotting rifle magazine, then the next day a sporterized, yet very nice looking .30-06 arisaka with the mum still on for 220, and an 8040D police trade-in with no magazine for 200

all in all spent too much and bought too much but couldn't pass up what I figure was deals
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>>36772626
>air resistance
has almost nothing to do with friction, especially on something as small as a bullet
>t. aerospace engineer
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>>36772796
I'm well fucking aware it's not the bullet that rises.
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>>36772626
>>36772802
>>36772846
Another aerospace engineer here, aerodynamic drag is definitely different than friction.
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>>36772796
Its surprising how many people believe bullets "rise". When I was a younger I thought as much, doesn't really jive with the laws of physics thought
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>>36772846
>>36772862
drag is a type of friction
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>>36772908
of course it is
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>>36772908
You're retarded
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>>36772946
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/airfri.html
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Okay, so let me just ask the point blank question. Would buying a nice milsurp such as a Vz. 98/22 or 96 swed actually be usable at under fifty meters with their battle sight zeros being around 300-400. Would I have to be aiming painfully low and not seeing my target at close range, or would it matter much?
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>>36772992
>an intro level material misleading names drag
what a fucking surprise

Do I really need to break out my aerospace textbooks? Pressure drag is by far the most significant component of drag on a bullet, especially when you've got a flat tail and a supersonic bullet.
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>>36772997
At 50 meters you may not have to hold that low. I can shoot my stupidly sighted M95 at 100 yards easily enough.
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>>36773037
>Do I really need to break out my aerospace textbooks?
sure, this has me interested. if its more so fluid dynamics related what exactly makes it not a type of friction
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>>36773088
So say shooting a two liter bottle at around 20-50 would I just have to aim at the bottom of the bottle to hit center?
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>>36772373
Since I'm a first time garand buyer, and don't know much about them, what can I request?
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>>36772997
>Would buying a nice milsurp such as a Vz. 98/22 or 96 swed actually be usable at under fifty meters with their battle sight zeros being around 300-400.
Not necessarily, but it depends on the ballistics of the ammunition you're using. Also, you can just install a taller front sight post to bring the point-of-impact down.
>Would I have to be aiming painfully low and not seeing my target at close range, or would it matter much?
I shoot Turkish surplus through mine (154gr projectile @ ~2950fps from a 29.1" barrel). At 100 yards I have to hold under 12"; at 200 yards (pic related) I have to hold under ~24" (Turk points-of-impact are circled green; red is Israeli ball).
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>>36773106
Any form of particles running across other particles (Air against bullets, water against bullets, wind against your face.) IS a type of friction, since it is just atoms rubbing past each other.
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>>36773226
I'd likely be buying PPU for either. And is it an easy process to install a different front sight?
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>>36773134
Probably. I manage to bust clays at 25 yards aiming dead on with my Gew 98 last time I took it out, so you might not need to hold so low.
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>>36773106
Boundary layer effects ensure that the air at the surface of the projectile has a relative velocity of zero, so by definition there cannot be any drag friction on a bullet. What actually slows a bullet is higher pressure near the tip which results in a new force opposite the direction travel. The transfer mechanism by which the bullet bleeds energy is through wave drag (when supersonic) and through induced or vortex drag.
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>>36773106
friction refers to the resistive force you get from things in direct contact. It is a component of drag, but for pretty much anything well designed, it's going to be insignificant in its contribution to overall drag. Aerodynamic drag isn't called friction because most of it comes from pressure changes around the body rather than direct friction force along the surface.

For your standard supersonic bullet, drag is going to come from three things:
>Wave Drag
>Pressure Drag
>Friction Drag

Wave Drag is drag produced at supersonic speeds as the bullet creates shockwaves along its surfaces.
Pressure Drag is drag produced by pressure distributions around the bullet - for most bullets, the bulk of this comes from the flow separation you get from the flat end of the bullet.
Friction Drag is something from boundary layer theory which is incredibly complicated to calculate, but generally can be approximated as a small factor unless you've got a huge surface and highly turbulent boundary layers.

One intro case they tend to throw around with drag has to do with cylinders. You can pretty easily approximate the drag on a cylinder in a flow by just knowing things like flow speed and the diameter of the cylinder. Though this prediction ignores friction drag, it's usually very accurate because the vast majority of the drag ends up coming from the low pressure produced by flow separation along the back of the cylinder.
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>>36773229
>Any form of particles running across other particles (Air against bullets, water against bullets, wind against your face.) IS a type of friction, since it is just atoms rubbing past each other.

see>>36772946
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>>36773247
So that's with 8mm over 6.5. 8mm I know is a very flat shooting round. Hm... Shouldn't be any different with 98/22 then since they only swapped to a tangent sight.
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Read and be humbled about the type of frictions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction
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>>36773305
>8mm I know is a very flat shooting round.
That all depends on the ballistics of the specific load you're shooting. The last time I shot any commercial "8mm Mauser" was Winchester; at 100 yards I didn't have to hold under at all for that stuff.
>Hm... Shouldn't be any different with 98/22 then since they only swapped to a tangent sight.
It's not, ASSUMING both front and rear sight are the same height over the bore axis as they are on a Gew.98. For instance, the front sight blade on BOTH my Vz.98/22s is taller than the front sight blade on either my Vz.98 or my Gew.98 (you can see it >>36772171), and I don't have to hold under quite as much when shooting the 98/22 as I do the 98.

TL;DR: buy the guns Anon; it'll be fine
>when you buy a Vz.98 and then everybody in /msg/ buys one too
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>>36773499
I'd be running PPU because I don't have the money to pay over a buck a round
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>>36773270
Good explanation
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>>36773220
You can ask for a certain manufacturer, GI wood or new production, specify bore quality over aesthetics, maybe ask for a barrel thats original...

You can ask for anything, they'll do their best to oblige if they have it available
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Why the hell did cmp decide they wont ship the 1911s to C&Rs? I read their explination but it still doesnt make sense. Ive already been cleared by the ATF so why do they feel the need for more background checks.
With that being said if i get it sent to an FFL can i skip the waiting period in my state (wa) by getting it transferred to me? It should be an FFL to FFL transfer no?
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>>36774388
Maybe. I'm a native Washingtonian. But I've little knowledge in the realm of pistols.
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>>36774388

Because the second one of those turns up at a crime scene the CMP is gonna get bent over a barrel, so they want to have 3 crosses on every t and 3 dots on every i.
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Different anon from the others here and this may be a little off topic but considering the current state of the conversation I think it is fine.

Never took physics and my interested has been piqued since this seems like it could be practical to learn. Is there any good book for me to read but something that can teach a laymen? Anything that is relatively up to date and directed at ignorant people such as myself.
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>>36774482
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/physics
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>>36774423
I know i should just get a ccl but i work nights and dont want to go to the courthouse when i should be sleeping.
The 10 business day wait is horseshit.
Is there a group or something i can ask legal questions too?
>>36774475
It hasnt been an issue with any of the other guns theyve sold, why would it be now?
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>>36774670
firearms crime with handguns absolutely eclipses that with long guns
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>>36774681
Niggers tend not to buy from the CMP. They do straw purchases instead.
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>>36774681
I understand that but you very rarely see any C&R handguns used in crime. The number of long guns they have sold also vastly surpasses the 8k 1911s theyre bringing in.
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Niggers can literally buy pistols for like 80 dollars.
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>>36774747
I agree, just pointing that out on behalf of the other anon. I don't think thats the main reason they're being so stringent, though it may be. Could be the DoD or ATF that required them to go through extra hoops to sell handguns en mass. Could just be that they expect to be inundated with buyers and wanted to thin the herd with a lot of extra work to get one.
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>>36774388
Nothing to do with CMP. When Congress passed the bill authorizing the sale of 1911's they added the extra hoops.
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>>36774907
I suppose those are all fair points. Im just bitter right now because i got outbid at ria and dont like paying for transfers. 2 sheets of paper and a phonecall isnt worth $25
>>36775186
Man fuck congress
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>>36773247
>>36773305
>>36773499
>>36773526
So, anyone with answer to this shite here?
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>>36775254
I've been factoring it into what I'll pay for an auction piece for as long as I've been buying. I could get a C&R but I'd rather pay the $25 a few times a year than invite the ATF into my life, however insignificant it may be.
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>>36775407
Only way to know for sure is to try it out. My money says you're fine though.
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>>36775451
So, 98/22 is my best bet then. Thanks man.
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>>36757798
Okay
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>>36775549
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>>36775411
I guess you could do that. I really dont like getting jewed by my neighbors though so the 30 was worth it to me.
Whats the winning strategy to snag one from the cmp? Im assuming il be competing against every boomer in the country
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>>36775584
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>>36763591
Are you talking about the junk store in Talledega Al?
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>>36775589
For a 1911? No idea honestly, if $1000 is the low end I can think of better ways to spend that. $1000 will probably just afford you a mixmaster paperweight/coffee table piece. I dont think their pricing is outrageous in a market where they've been selling for 2-3k but I just don't want a 1911 that bad.
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>>36775549
>>36775564
noice. a webley is quickly moving up my list of guns to buy
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>>36775625
Its probably not worth that much to me either but the only intrest ive got in a 1911 is historical. I figure the cmp will have a cheaper price than second hand sellers, plus i need to build up my surp pistols.
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Shit, I never considered that I may have to pay state use tax on a CMP 1911. I may have to ask my FFL.
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>>36775701
It would be a great addition and a cool piece to have but I like to shoot so for now I'd rather put that money towards another rifle or ammo
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>>36775900
Sad part is im still trying to grow my collection but theres guns i havent shot yet. Theres also some stuff ive all but given up on finding like a correct sling and bayonet for my fn49.
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>>36775411
Every account I've read is the ATF might visit 0.5% of C&R holders once in a 15 year period. Not at you but to the conspiracy people if there is a "secret list" out there I've been on it since 1999 when I Form 4'rd a submachine gun. So I go the license.

>>36775589
>strategy from CMP
Unless I'm mistaken 1911's should work just like regular M1 sales just with alot of hoops. CMP only seems to auction "snowflakes" that fall in there hands.

>>36775715
Depends, IMHO all the dealer is doing is facilitating the transfer as required by federal law, not selling and it depends on who's watching.

On note since the dawn of time Indiana has wanted to sales tax everything from out of state, they even considered bullshit income tax laws for it.
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>>36775981
Im sure theres going to be a price for rack/service grade, im just worried about them selling out within minutes of putting them online. Maybe im overestimating how many people are going to buy one.
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>>36775981
Washington has a 10% use tax on firearms coming from an out-of-state FFL. I'm not sure if that is going to apply to the CMP.
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>>36770160
>You mean a Vz52?
Yeah that's what I meant. That's what I get for posting from my Kindle while trying to go to sleep.
>>36770177
That would be the only problem for me, but If I could find one at a good price, I'm not passing it up.
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>>36776086
To me if your state audits all gun store finance books then to me your going to get hit with it. What keeps you under the radar for normal sale is CMP direct to home shipment and no federal requirement to notify the state of the sale.

Just as a rant/vent about Indiana bullshit sales tax laws, threatened legislation:
>wants sales tax money
>threatends to pass law / bills
>option A: report on your income tax all online/mail order purchases and pay state 7% in tax
>option B: report nothing, state assumes your online/mail order purchases based on income and charges you sales tax on that assumption.
>option C: declare you made no online/mail order purchases. If they find proof of just one = tax evasion charge.

It hasn't happened yet but they are pushing for awhile.
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I just need one "proof of Marksmanship" item for the CMP order form right?
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>>36760259
>>36760259
I give them my name and address and a story of how my dad obtained said M-1 at a gun show in the early 60's
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>>36760336
transfer? Nobody does this
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>>36760416
great I'll have even more info to support my claim
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holy samefagging batman

>>36777416
Yep
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>>36761411
just grind it smooth
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>>36762106
So now M-1s are full auto?
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>>36772566
That sucks I live in the east cascades and have a private 750 yard range as well as a combat rifle course
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>>36761787
>>36761854
Sorry for the late post (just got done with a /k/ blanket ip range ban)

For the early 20th century you can call it "automattenfett" or "waffenfett" or US rifle grease or some such. In the end during the period [Lithium grease] was king. A little bit went a long way. It comes in two flavors. Yellow (pure) and black (+graphite). It was a fav for lubricant for the period.

Btw if you have a Styre M95 it's what your cam bolt is looking for/expecting.

>>36760259
IHC isn't a bad rifle, it just has a meme history. The value comes from that they have the lowest production number. Also IHC was the primary source of post war lend/lease / military aid overseas give aways. So they had a small footprint in the NA market.
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>>36767501
>Not understanding clear sarcasm
Be less autistic
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>>36777857
>The value comes from that they have the lowest production number.
Indeed. That is partially a by product of them having significant difficulty getting off the line with production. Many early IHCs were outright rejected, SA had to help out with receivers a for a few runs. Its a bit odd considering they didn't make their own barrels or stocks, really they just had to turn out smaller parts and receivers but had a difficult go at it, a lot of IHC parts are rough. We agree, they aren't bad but outside of collectability they aren't particularly good either.
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>https://www.gunbroker.com/item/747172921
>This one could be grafted on a standard frame with a little work.
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>>36776079

No. There's tons of boomers salivating over the chance to get a 5th 1911. Granted a ton of them are also frothing mad at having to get a NICS check, but their absolute obsession with 1911s will probably win out in the end.

>>36776572

I mean, I probably wouldn't either if I got one for a good price. Most of my guns will probably only get shot once or twice anyway.
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>>36779675
>Most of my guns will probably only get shot once or twice anyway.

wut.

New thread up soon.




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