Are handgun carbines the sidearm of the future? I literally don't see the point of a fullsize service handgun, now that firearms like the USW exist. We just need to get rid of that damned NFA.
>>37144955I'd suck mad dick for a Mk.23 or USP with a stock. Or the deagle brand deagle carbine.
>get on my level
Only slightly larger than a fullsize handgun. With all the benefits of a small carbine. They also require far less training to reach proficiency.
>>37145034It's a good thing it's at the James D. Julia auction house, where we can take a look at some of the firearms in the upcoming auction.
We need better rounds. Give them armor piercing rounds and then maybe.
>>37145034Hold my beer,
We can only hope so.
>>37145036>They also require far less training to reach proficiency.I find pistols harder to use than rifles 2bh, they're too unsteady in my weak girl arms>>37145092what is 5.7
>>37145074No that's a carbine handgun
>>37145137>what is 5.7Too long and week.
>>37145137>what is 5.7shit with worse performance than AP 9mm.
>>37145186Cartridge isn't nearly as important as the shoulder stock. They make handguns far easier to handle. So a handgun carbine is in theory much cheaper to train with.
>>37144955One of these with double barrels and 5.7 come at me
My erection prefers the polymer framed USW compact. Shorter mags + light weight frame, makes it carry much more like a handgun.
>>37145036>With all the benefits of a small carbine.It is not select fire.
>>37145271Select fire is pointless most of the time
>In order to react to the quickly changing threats faced by police forces all over Europe, especially those threats presented by Islamic terroristbased product description
>>37145186>AP 9mmso then just use that if the dedicated armor piercing pistol round is not armor piercing or pistol round enough for you>>37145271automatic pistols exist but as >>37145287 said burst fire is a meme>>37145303>alienating their audience and showing their misunderstanding of the issue in the first placegun's gonna fail
>>37145036The benefits of a carbine is that it fires a intermediate rifle cartridge.Handgun rounds have inferior terminal ballistics
>masterpiece 5.7Takes fn mags, put a stock or brace on it, 6-700 dollars
>>37145314I know automatic pistols exist. I'm just saying this particular product does not have select fire, which is a benefit of small carbines.
>>37145333Direct blowback is inferior to modern lock breached designs.
>>37145314>alienating their audience and showing their misunderstanding of the issue in the first placewrong.jpg>>37145303some of their news feed stuff is pretty hardcore profun. if they could they'd sell us GLs no problem. Guy who owns the company is a turbo autist and a true /k/ommando
>>37145364they also shit all over the EU too and point out dumbshit gun laws that are already on the books.
>>37145062Hopfully we will get a chance to see some of the unique features
>>37145226Hope you got some big ass hands cause you're gonna have one THICC grip
>>37145303Yeah that's not going to get them customers, European police departments would be more likely to buy if they said they are great for surprise raids against speech violators and unregistered knife owners, European policing depends upon ignoring Islamic terror as much as possible.
>>37145344>which is a benefitquestionable at besteven GIGN use fucking shotguns and revolvers for space entry>>37145434that too would just be obviously taking the piss out of them and probably result in no buys
>>37145170>>37145186Why is it every time im at the range I get put next to some dickhead with a 5.7 who can't hold the damn thing with out muzzle sweeping half the bay, and cant get a 2 inch group at 3 yards? Shows up to shoot less than 1 box, shaky hands mcgee, jam city. Spends more time talking about his gun and why it malfunctions with the RO than actually shooting the gun. Wtf...
>>37145352>more accurate>"inferior"if you can do it without increasing the weight, then it's vastly superior.
>>37144955yeah ive been thinking this for a long timeBut the cartridges need to be at least as hot as 357. Something like 357 necked down to 6.5mm would be best out of a 7 inch barrel. basically a better mp7also they need to get better with the collapsible stocks and have arm braces that actually work and can be deployed quick
>>37145521Blowback is much heavier, and has more recoil. The benefits of a fixed barrel are negligible for a defensive arm with an intended range of < 100yds. The only things it has going for it are accuracy and simplicity.
The future is the more retarded militaries wizening up and realizing that their grenadiers don't all have to be lugging around their service rifles too. Give them a PCC or just a large pistol with some very powerful ammo like the 7.5 FK.
>>37145587again, 5.7 exists and it's not like .45 pistols and subguns don't exist, they just have big recoil>>37145588the benefit of blowback is that it costs nothing to make
>>37145600yeah considering a lot of combat is either in urban areas where you don't need ridiculous range or in deserts where you're supported by strykers and guys with actual sniper rifles and shit, it's a surprise that subguns havent replaced carbines rather than it having gone the other way aroundi guess it's a logistics thing, there's lots of 5.56 for the guys who need it but pistol rounds have always been at a premium so why not just get short guns that use the 5.56 we already have bajillions of and give out like candy anyway instead of subguns and shotguns that use the ammo we literally only buy for range trips and issue in combat situations approximately never
>>37145600It would be interesting to see how small a firearm chambered in 5.56 could be made. Barrel length would be a bit of a problem, but the logistics of using the same ammunition as the service rifle would make up for it IMO. Special short barrel 5.56 loads would be a good band aid. Although far from ideal, m855 out of a 7" barrel would still be far more effective than any conventional handgun loading. >>37145637No question about that. They're much easier to engineer in all aspects. That's why they're so common among home built firearms.
>>37145327Those are some nice blue-board tits, thank you anon.
>>37145711>how small a firearm chambered in 5.56 could be made
>>37145884AR style controls are such fucking cancer oh my god
>>37145884>5.5” 5.56 performance worse than literal handgun rounds. Wew lad300 memeout makes sense, though.
>>37145711>how small a firearm chambered in 5.56 could be mademore literally than you meant it...
>>37145943but still better performance than >>37145992
>>37145226Here you go familam.
>>37146085>filenameShit there goes my sides.
>>37145992your holdout gun would share rounds with your rifle handy
>Are handgun carbines the sidearm of the future?Not until america's retarded SBR laws are repealed. So probably never.The future remains yet more piston Ar-15 clones.
>>37146160>america's retarded laws dictate what militaries usethis is some next level retardation
>>37146085>doppelgock chambered for eggo mini-waffleslel
>>37145327Tits aside, you clearly don't understand the issue. Carbine refers to barrel length.
>>37145921How dare the controls be where your fingers and thumbs can reach while gripping the gun? They need to be up on the gas block or inside the pistol grip storage compartment.
>>37144955More like sidearm of the past.Jokes aside they are fun as fuck to shoot though.
>>37146196ar charging handles are cancer that you can't operate while prone, the mag release is always either too tight or too loose, and the bolt catch catches on your clothes all the time
>>37145943That's why I mentioned and preferred powerful pistol calibers. Make any pistol caliber NATO standard and there will be plenty of it in due time. It's not like there needs to magically be hundreds of thousands of rounds in stock on the day that a PCC gets adopted.Pistol calibers are short enough that a design can get away with the mag in the grip rather than the outside, which greatly decreases its minimum length. The Rattler will always have that heavy chunk hanging off the front with a stupid snubby barrel and it is so short already that making it a bullpup won't do anything for its size (because it still needs enough stock for non-midgets). A PCC can have a longer barrel in the same package or achieve even smaller sizes.
>>37146169American citizens buy more guns than most government militaries; why not market to them?
>>37145992How does it not explode? Does it take real .223 or some low pressure bullshit?
>everything is going full circle
>>37144955Fuckin eurofags and your pistol carbines--you've been at this for over a hundred years and it still hasn't caught on like you thought it would. A real man doesn't need a stock for his pistol; and if whatever he needs to hit is too far for his pistol, he uses rifle.
>>37145484>endoenjoy your wobbly shit
>>37146325>Make any pistol caliber NATO standardyou mean like 9x19???>>37146362"the future" implies what will be standard among governments. you can find fucking anything on the free market.>American citizens buy more guns than most government militaries; not only false but the US government and its state/municipal governments buy more guns than that, as do western police forces and militaries, and none of them give a shit about SBR laws
>>371464499x19 is too weak and has too low ballistic eff. to be a good stand-in for 5.56. It's going to be weaker but *how much* weaker? If there's a pistol-sized round that more closely matches the effect of an intermediate rifle within 100m, then a hypothetical pistol carbine would benefit greatly from using that.
>>37146363>How does it not explode?a miracle of modern metallurgy>real .223yep
>>37146438Uh, K?In what way is it wobbly? Post yours.
>>37144955>I literally don't see the point of a fullsize service handgun>cant see the point in having a 12 rounds of .460 rowlandI dont approve your personal lifestyle choices OP, You are the kind of homosexual that makes other homosexuals angry on how bad you make them appear, may god have mercy on your soul, that is if you even actually have one...
>>37145226picture of that concept (taken from the side)
>>37146480>>3714653010MM is close. 9x25 a bit better.
>>37145036I feel like literally every sentence in your post is false though?
>>37145943>5.5” 5.56 performance worse than literal handgun rounds. but it isn't
>>37144955no because we already did this 100 years ago and came to the same conclusion, they are pointless
>>37145352Almost all subguns are direct blowback though>>37145588>>37145637See above>>37146169>Sidearms even being relevant on a military levelPolice use would make or break these, not military. These are also dumb imo. The idea has been toyed with for 100+ yrs and has never really been successful. The tp9 has been out for years and never been that popular even though it plays the same role as the usw with essentially the same stock and a holster available. The thing even is select fire and still is not all that popular (though I do want one).
>>37146722But it is.You can get hot 9mm loads with more than the ~450 ft-lbf that .223 will give you out of that same 5.5" barrel. Go with something like .357 Sig and you can get almost 50% more energy out of a 5.5" barrel.
>>37146870>Almost all subguns are direct blowback thoughsub guns are being replaced enmass, so that isn't a very good argument
>>37146544Any wobbles can be fixed with wrapping masking tape around the part that goes into grip plug area. Not that I would know.
>>37145327out of a 10 inch barrel like most SWAT teams use the ballistics of a round like the 5.56 are comparable or worse than a standard 9mm, where they get benefits is shared ammo and magazines with larger logistical supplies. This does not apply to police forces, and thus CQBR's are worthless in a police action.
>>37146911Energy is a really myopic way of looking at terminal effectiveness.
>>37147084How many rounds are designed to work out of barrels that short and fragment properly? 5.56 out of a 5.5" barrel is going to do nothing but icepick its way through a target while still not having enough velocity to penetrate armor properly either.That argument has no legs.
>>37147056no. most swat teams are using 11.5 to 16" bbls. even on the low end of that they have roughly .357 magnum energy with significantly greater velocity. ergo significantly greater performance.
>>37146911inb4 the military redesigns this bullshit
>>37147125Really all that's good for it is 5.45, and that's pretty marginal compared to 8 inch barrels.
>>37146449>not only false but the US government and its state/municipal governments buy more guns than that, as do western police forces and militaries, and none of them give a shit about SBR lawsThe firearms market in the US is something like 10.8 million guns per year. Who's buying anything like that? Even china only has like 2.3 million soldiers.There's not even one million armed police officers in the whole of the USA.
Do you think it'd be cool if we could use the "muh weak wimmin and old people" angle to push for select fire legality on small profile, pistol caliber weapons?>.32ACP, meme calibers like 5.7, and things like the vz61 and TMP bounce back into relevance
>>37146911>>37146916So SWAT should be using pic related in .357 Sig?
>>37144955Yeah, what 15 different calibers, pistol grip magazines, SBR fore grip, optional giggle switch for LEO, red dot sight. Fits in a standard holster. Who would want anything else?
>>37149263I'll let you know after I get mine and test it, It ships this week.
>>371467225.56 in a 16 inch barrel vs 55gr 10mm auto from a 4 inch barrel produces similar FPS. -a video I saw on yourube
>>3714824632acp is relevant now. Boomers just fall for the stopping power meme out of little pop guns that can't do what people think they will. 32acp is an absolute dream to shoot even out of little pocket guns like the P32.
>>37145261I didn't think much of the USW till I held one when I got my APC 45. That little thing is really nice in the hand, and even with the light + optic it still well balanced.
>>37145036Lacks the extra barrel length of an actual carbine, therefore less powder burn, causing lower velocity and higher larger muzzle flash. Suppressor corrects some but not all or the faults of this.
>>37145287Watch ‘Saving Private Ryan’. The movie shows what selective fire is for.
>>37145287>>37145494>>37150631This is what I’m referencing.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AV9UyJBeHSI
This thread is feeding my pistol w/stock fetish
>>37151206>yfw when you get a P08 Luger on a good trade but some fat fudd fuck in the 70's shaved off the stock notch, leaving you forever cucked
>>37151803I weep for your loss anon
>>37152318I'm gonna buy a nicer, unmolested example out of pure hate so it's all /k/
>>37144955Which one of you fucks left this review?
I would pistol carbine all day every day if not for the stupid SBR business. >>37149409Would carry that every day
>>37144955>>37145137>>37145092>>37145170>>37145186>>37145314Small PDW with a retractable stock would be the ticket. Take pic related for instance, except that it needs an extendable stock so that it can be reduced to this compact state for carrying.> reduce the weight to 5 poundsNow one thing I would like to point out is having interchangeability with existing 5.56mm is important but you also need a specific issue ammo for weapons like this with a faster burning powder. That way there's much less unspent powder, less flash and boom but just as much firepower as the standard rounds would get out of this pint sized barrel. As a result it will have lower recoil and that could cause a problem for cycling in fullsize rifles, so what you do is increase bullet mass to fudge it just enough so its still reliable in a 14-16in barrel.> special type of 5.56 but the gun can still fire standard spec EPR, at the cost of the user's eardrums> damn good reason to also issue a Suppressor for it just in case> better than having to issue special snowflake ammo and the clusterfuck of supply train involved with thatWould probably hit like an upper end .357 magnum, which is a damn sight better than these pistol calibers.Otherwise look for a way to boost 5.7mm up to .30 carbine level firepower.>>37145000roman numerals say you can have it for 5000 bucks> he chooses deagle rather than smeagol> the one ring is not impressed
>>37146555>I dont approve your personal lifestyle choices OP, You are the kind of homosexual that makes other homosexuals angry on how bad you make them appear, may god have mercy on your soul, that is if you even actually have one...Can confirm. Homo's have no souls.
>>37153207I believe I may have something of interest. Modernized TKB-022 chambered in .357 SIG which is short enough to work in a P90 style magazine and not make the gun fat.
>>37153659Hnng i wanna fuck rei so badly
>>37153771that's shimikaze you baka fucking poserlearn your anime sluts
>>37145587How about 7.5 FK, basically 10mm necked to .30 cal? Seems like what you're looking for.>>37146387That's what happens when you ditch good ideas like the PDW>>37146449>you mean like 9x19Can't into AP, and no Russian +p+++++ ammo doesn't count.>>37149263It's like the retarded brother of the MP9.>>37153207If you're gonna issue specialty 5.56 for it you're better off just using a pistol caliber. Something like 7.5 FK has manageable recoil (similar to .357 Sig) in a pistol and is much more compact than 5.56 memepups.
>>37153901Thats the name of the cosplayer you dumb fuck
>>37144955no? auto handguns never caught on because it was a shit idea
>>37153715horizontal magazines are okay as long as you get rid of that integrated rotating ramp on each magazine (ie, make it a standard double stack mag that is simply fed into the weapon at a perpendicular angle). I would think that the means to do it would be simpler than the G11.The firepower needs to be increased by at least 1/3 over what a .357sig offers. Also making the gun "fat" isnt much of an issue because someone else designed a fkkin 12 Gauge shotgun that used the same style of magazines along with the built in rotating ramp. It never went anywhere but from the looks of it this didnt impact its handling any.In a PDW im mainly concerned about Firepower, the ability to preserve that force of impact at 200 yards so that it will still hit like a 9mm at point blank range. Which is also related to making sure that it can reliably reach 200 yards.>>37153993Yeah but then again a .357 sig is like the 7.5 FK except its not as long. The main issue is Width since the casing is probably about 11mm wide. The standard .223 case is 10mm wide, while a 5.7x28 case is only 8mm wide. Width determines how many more rounds you can put in the magazine and when it comes to PDWs you want as many as you possibly can cram in there.Also making it use 5.56mm would appeal to military jarheads who cant-into logistics management. They dont want to be issuing another caliber and making sure that it gets circulated everywhere to all the airforce and military bases we've got.If the gun can bust a 5.56mm cap, even if it screws its range and has a reputation for being as loud as a machinegun, then it can USE off the shelf ammunition. The faster burning snowflake 5.56 can then be issued and requested at liesure.> its one of those "if its an emergency and you gotta do it, this thing can do it" which is actually a pretty nice selling point to the militaryAlso using STANAG mags is a similar plus. You'd want to use a drum with a PDW though. All yer rounds in one package.
>>37149263>>37149409I was on the fence for one, but>only for sig 320fucking dropped
All these fegs talking about 7.5 when it’s not even readily available. People complain about 10MM but it’s actually not that hard to find and the components are available. 7.5 cannot be found and the components don’t matter since I don’t even think you can buy dies for it.Why fantasize over 7.5 you can’t barely get when 9x25 is much more available?
>>37154106.357 SIG gets like 800 ft/lbs at the muzzle from a 14" barrel, .223(because I can't find any fucking kinetic energy vs barrel length graphs for 5.56) gets like 950. the only frustrating thing is that SIG has meme status and is expensive, and I can't find many other short, effective rounds with a uniform exterior diameter like 5.7 for stacking in a straight mag. also, having that tilt on the mag allows the operator to benefit from greater capacity, and since it stays within the overall form factor of the gun they can fire and reload from a prone position without much trouble.I'm worried about width because imagine having one of those fuckers in an UZI style shoulder holster, that shit would be rad.
>>37144955>Are handgun carbines the sidearm of the future?WWI one called...
>>37145137>what is 5.7the meme round that the Keltec PMR-30 uses, moves so fast it flies straight through bullet proof vests. Theyre cop killer rounds.
>>37146544Do you have this SBRd or do you jsut shoot from the cheek?
>>37146241I agree that AR charging handles are a shit when compared to something like the Daewoo K1a1, but literally every other word of what you said is nonsense.
>>37146241You can operate them while prone, just use your right hand and not your left.
>>37144955Really, it's the quick-deployable folding stock on the USW that's a new idea and (dare I say it) a potential gamechanger. The Artillery Lugers and Broomhandles had stock-holsters, but those were quite clumsy to deploy when you needed them. Conversely, being able to wield the USW like a pistol for usual work, but pop the stock open and shoulder the pistol for long range work, and holster (not sling, unlike an SMG) the entire package: it sounds like a quite versatile, compact setup. Who knows, maybe with training on stocked handguns, NYPD and LAPD can actually achieve hit ratios better than 135 rounds fired, 0 suspects wounded, 8 civilians injured.
>>37144955I want that aimpoint so badBut they refuse to sell it separate
>>37154599>shooting an unregistered SBR from the cheek is somehow okNo, it’s a title 1 firearm.
>>37154486> looking for an existing round to solve this dilemma when nobody has bothered to get off their ass to put forth an actual need for itStop looking at existing off the shelf stuff to fix this issue. Its either 5.56 or make a new round pretty much.
>>37154753But that's not new, it just didn't catch on last time around. (I'm not saying it was a bad idea last time, in fact I hope it does better this time.)Vz.61 and PM-63 are both holstered like pistols with the stock stowed, and allow rapid deploying of stock (and foregrip, for PM-63).Neither one was perfect, but by combining elements -- the PM-63's magazine-through-grip, more powerful cartridge, and stock/foregrip setup, and the Vz.61's stationary sights, closed-bolt operation, and rate reducer -- you can get 80% of the way to the USW, and better in some ways. IMO the USW's only big advantages over my proposed '60s hybrid are light weight from a plastic frame, and red dot sight -- which are just fifty years of handgun progress(Yes, I know the vz.61 places the rate reducer vertically in the grip where I want a magazine, but that's not a fundamental requirement.)
>>37145074Any one else find it off puting when you see people use mp5 ak pistol and aim and hold it like a hand gun
>>37157142>Vz.61 and PM-63The difference is that both of those, in their most widely issued configuration, fired relatively weak cartridges compared to the USW's 9mm NATO. .32 ACP and 9x18 are essentially blowback tier cartridges: and both ran in blowback guns. When these cartridges come up in threads about CCW, inevitably (and reasonably) you'll have people telling you to step it up to 9x19 Luger. Very few individual elements of firearms nowadays are fundamentally new, but it's selecting the right combination of those elements (plus good marketing and price point) that creates memorable and effective firearms. But yeah, I do hope things do better this time. Bridging the gap between pistol and SMG with a compact, holsterable folding stock, adding a durable red dot sight, and carrying spare reloads of 30 rounds = pretty cool. Especially considering how most pistol cartridges (yes, I know .357 Magnum gains a ton of energy from a lever action vs a revolver) don't really gain much terminal effectiveness from longer barrels.
>>37154235Because its a target to aim for. Why aim low for the ideal caliber? Prototyping can happen with different calibers, indeed just like 9x25, 10mm, .357 Sig, even good old 9x19.If there's military demand for it then it doesn't matter how rare it is for civilians, obviously. Just have to wait until 7.5 is "proven" in some capacity. Though it kind of already has, since they 1-shotted a deer with it on video and its easy enough to find Tubers showing how good its AP performance is.
>>37150708Did I see a coloured soldier (at 1.42) fighting during a WWII battle ?
>>37154106>The main issue is WidthCapacity is fine with 10mm, and it wouldn't be FA anyways. FA only works with the MP7/P90 since they use shitty low recoil meme ammo and have high capacity as a side effect.>muh logisticsIf you want a good option logistically you just use normal ammo in standard guns. If you want a good PDW you make sacrifices, and using pistol ammo is still pretty good for logistics and more compact. You make good points though, I think what you propose could be a good option.>>37154235>niche cartridge is nicheNot when NATO adopts it.>>37154753>a potential gamechanger>does nothing newYou want quick deploy, slap springs on a collapsing wire stock, still more compact than folding shit doubling the width of the gun.>>37157142>that's not a fundamental requirementIt is if you want it to be full auto. Can still fit it above or below the bolt though.
>>37159321Yeah, I meant being vertical and housed in the grip is not fundamentally required. I definitely want the rate limiter -- not only does it let you use a relatively light bolt without insane ROF, it also plays an important role by arresting the bolt's motion, instead of letting it more-or-less elastically rebound. This reduces the back-and-forth slamming of simpler submachinegun designs.
>>37159321>>37159484meant to add:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TED6z4_9fmwThe slow motion shows exactly what I'm talking about.
Never went anywhere, but a cool concept.
>>37158501It might be a surprise to white people today, but whites back then were pretty fucking tan unless they were royalty
>>37145287>select fire is pointless with a 9mm carbine
>>37145992unburnt powder af
>>37154571fucking this.>The future of the past is today.
>>37162435If you think about it, this was bound to happen. Gun and ammo manufacturers are always looking to improve the output of their firearms and get more out of a smaller package. The M855A1 is a prime example of a round engineered to be better out of a smaller gun. For pistol calibers there were plenty of attempts to get "rifle" performance out of a pistol or more armor penetration.Eventually someone will succeed in some way. When that happens and military inertia is overcome, SMGs will become viable again not because we realized that short carbines for short ranges were somehow overkill, but instead that pistol rounds managed to catch up and close the gap enough.
>>37162450>Eventually someone will succeed in some way.guns like the MP7 already exist, the problem is that militaries are surprisingly reluctant to spend money on weaponry and police forces dont like arming beat cops with machine gunsthese sorts of firearms find happy places with plenty of SWAT teams and among private security types, though.
>>37154718>have to roll on your side and take your eyes off the sights and your gun off the point of aim to use the charging handlei know it doesnt come up normally in shooting for the military but doing proper drills at the range and using straight pull ars is a pain because of thisthe bolt catch is the only good part of ar controls and they're always made flimsy as fuck
>>37154586>moves so fast it flies straight through bullet proof vests.memes aside this is literally the point of 5.7, it's specifically intended for the military and developed during the late 80s and came out in the 90s when the expectation was still that militaries would be mostly engaging other state militaries who have vests, rather than unarmored durkas
>>37154486With .357SIG from a 14" barrel you can break 900ft/lbs easy. 125gr JSP and 11.5gr #7.The issue with looking at comparisons like this is that handgun projectiles and rifle projectiles are in different classes based on how they can crush tissue. Hornady's 5.56 75gr T2 TAP will have a muzzle velocity over 2450fps from an 11.5" barrel, the reliable frag freshhold is 2200fps, and it will continue to fragment less so beyond that.That rifle projectile doing work with 1,000ft/lb is going to crush far more tissue than a simple expanding handgun slug. Apart from mild jacket separation you're still dealing with a finite frontal cross section, and you can only penetrate so far before it simply leaves the target.Handgun and rifle projectiles just aren't directly comparable.
>>37159708I know the difference.This man isn't white. He's an amerimutt.Considered "coloured" back in the day, so he should not be seen in a WWII frontline combat movie.
>>37162925That's a meme that euros on /int/ made up to jest Americans with. People like you use it to attack white pride in America.
>>37146604>>37146530Make .460 Rowland great for the first time again
If I remember correctly, Kriss is taking their Vector system and applying it to pistols, and for shot show next year they're supposed to have a commercial model.Shit would be mad dope for a pistol carbine system given the insane full retard pistol carbines have. Throw on a decent muzzle brake, and some kind of stock, and if what you have is small and compact enough to serve the quick draw desires of the military, while also suitably serving as a carbine, you could drive a good argument for switching over.
>>37145137Yeah, but there's the stock. Easier in theory, especially if you have a fold-up forward grip.Also, did you say girl?
>>37163594>Also, did you say girl?it was a joke. you have been deceived. i dont even look good in a skirt anymore cuz i got fat and also am not a shota anymore>>37163558>Kriss is taking their Vector system and applying it to pistols,jesus christ the thing is going to be the size of a 2002 notebook pc>Shit would be mad dope for a pistol carbine system given the insane full retard pistol carbines have. I never understood why american gun law is the way it is. here in canada, there's some bullshit, but nothing like sbr laws. it's just about overall and barrel length, regardless of whether you can shoulder it or not. if anything, a pistol sold with a stock attached would be MORE legal than the alternative, at least if the stock requires tools to remove. just look at the Px4 and Cx4
>>37146705If you're not going to post why, at least tell us why we should take your word for it.
>>37163679It's fairly small for what it's supposed to be, especially for a working prototype.
>>37145000>deagle brand deagle carbine.God damnit anon, I didn't know how badly I needed that.
>>37146544That stippling hurts my eyes.
>>37163963>>37163679reminds me of cyberpunk pistols> we be cyberpunk now?
USW or TP9 if I want to into B&T?
>>37146544Wrap one of those dinner mats around the gripzone™ for extra tacticoolness
>>37166042why is geromy clarkston holding such a small gun
>>37163469For a PDW speed and capacity matters.9x25 dildo>460 row boat.
>>37166042TP9 is cheaper out of the box, but if you're shelling out for B&T that probably doesn't matter. You can holster both, they both have stock attachment points, etc.Key difference is that the USW is basically a pistol with a red dot built in, and the TP9 is a semi-auto submachine gun. TP9 has a proprietary suppressor connection, and the USW has a threaded barrel.
>>37146241>>AR Charging handles are canceThis is true. Only thing I dislike about the AR system, and the only reason I have yet to buy an AR. I will probably buy the Bren 2 when it gets to the states.
>>37144955>We just need to get rid of that damned NFA.Too bad it won't happen under Gungrabba Don the Neocon. Or any pro-gun legislation, for that matter.
>>37167930What pro-individual freedom lawmakers we do have in Congress are already blocked up trying to stave off some form of AWB, "mental health review," or whatever kind of bullshit is getting cooked up these days.>>37167872get a side-charging upper