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I hear overwhelmingly from everyone that is serving to not join.
Why? What's so bad about the armed forces that everyone who joins hates it?
>I want to go 0311.
Dont do it.
>I want to be a cb
Dont do it.
>seal swcc eod
Infinity chance you aren't going to make it dont do it
Is it that you chumps are afraid of taking risks or is life really that fucking miserable in the service?
What are you woes and reasons for recommending to a perferfect stranger to stay out?
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>>38541524
No. Don't be a useful idiot for a system that wants to replace you with brown people and transexuals.
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>>38541524
got out 6 months ago after a 6 year enlistment. you're not joining a military, you're joining a corporation that only seeks to min/max all the resources it has. the culture is like that of a corporation IE PC out the ass, any raunchy jokes told in the wrong company and you're looking at a disciplinary action. Women have different physical standards than men, and get out of a lot of work by whining. You'll work long hours being told to do stupid shit by people who barely know their job. I don't regret a minute of it, but holy hell am I glad I got out. Imagine Office Space but they own your life and you're govvy property until you get out. IF you have kids or are married the gibs are good enough to lock you in for life, but if you're young and single, finish your higher education and see if you still want to join, at least you can go to OCS instead.
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>>38541524
The people are retarded and it will piss you off if your IQ is above 100.
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>>38541585
Yes and im sure your a very valuable member of society. Polite sage for off topic.
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>>38541629
t. jew
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>>38541746
t.
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>>38541587
This.
I spent 7 years in, as an enlisted infantryman. I'd like to think i was smarter than most of my peers, especially given i made e-6 in about 4.5 years, but honestly i made some dumb fucking decisions based on even worse guidance from above. I was just lucky no one ever got hurt.
I got out when i realized my trigger time was up and that my soul was being consumed by the machine. I did NOT want to be the eternally sour snco.
If combat is REALLY something you want to do (hint: it's not. And that's coming from someone who "likes" combat.) go ahead and enlist.
You'll spend your time cleaning your rifle more often than shooting it.
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I JUST SPENT FIVE HUNDRED FUCKING DOLLARS ON MY OWN UNIFORMS ITEMS FOR AN INSPECTION IN SAID UNIFORMS THAT I WEAR LESS THAN ONCE A YEAR.
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>>38541876
don't feel bad. The Navy is transitioning to the Type III NWUs and my friend is getting out in a few weeks. his chain of command is making him buy a new uniform that he won't even wear.
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>>38541629
>>>/r/politics
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>>38541876
how?
did you lose your asu's or something?
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>>38541876
This hits home
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>>38541862
>If combat is REALLY something you want to do (hint: it's not...)
Explain
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>>38541524
there will probably never be a better time to join the military, no stupid ass wars and the rules have been dumbed down severely
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>>38541967
t. recruiter
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>>38541876
I bought the new blues outright back when they were new, including all the new patches and stupid deployment badge required. the only things that carried over were rack, name plates, badges, and blue cord.
I spent a grand total of $220, including tailoring and sewing of patches. That was about half of my tax-free annual clothing allowance.
The rest went to beer and a set of nice new boots.
I have no idea how people blow through their entire clothing allowance and then some on uniforms.
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>>38541998
i do. i remember some dirty ass motherfuckers who wore the same uniform pair for a week ('cept for formation BS) straight without washing them when i was in. we were aircraft mechanics so i suppose it was less noticeable. the smell wasn't.
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>>38541953
combat sucks. it just does. good people get hurt, and the shitty ones skate by. it's ultimately meaningless. scathing instants of stunning and senseless brutality for no meaningful gain.
You will spend all of your career building up to it, only to discover, just like generations before you, that your little TIC means nothing, and that your friends that will die will have died for nothing, and the dirt farmer you zipped in half with a 240 will have died for nothing.
Go into politics if you want to influence the world.
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>>38541967
The problem with no stupid ass wars is that they fill the time with stupid ass ceremonies, parades, and inspections. Less emphasis on knowing your job and combat effectiveness and more on looking pretty and pc culture.
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>>38541876
I spent close to $1,000 on Abbott custom fit uniforms. 2 pairs of khakis and one set of SDBs. Wore the khakis every day for months, and I'll probably start wearing them again soon. The custom fit SDB is comfy as fuck and fits a lot better, and looks better too. I think it's worth it desu.
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>>38541524
Don't let anyone discourage you. If you are romantically enclined unto your self determination, you will only find the satisfaction or dissatisfaction by associated experience and memories. Even if you fail, hard. Even if you end up regretting it, if it's something you want to see, or if your soul beckons for it, oblige yourself and try to make the best of it.

T. It's gonna suck. Go and get it.
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>>38542298
If you're wearing it every day, it makes absolute sense to get the nice stuff.
I swear, junior enlisted complain about being given tax free money to subsidize or outright negate their costs.
If you have any financial sense whatsoever, every red you make is fuck-around money.
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>>38541524
I made a $120,000 last year including bonuses and real estate last year, I am an E-6 with 6 years in. Been to foreign countries, got wasted, fucked bitches, and made amazing friends. It is all what you make of it, be sure to choose the right job and branch. it has it's ups and downs like any job, I think what makes most people jaded is that they only have the military as their only job experience so they don't have anything to compare it too, so they assume it is going to be all hookers and sunshine when they get out and it is not. here is a deployment pic
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>>38542413
Welfare queen.
"Deployment."
Greater men live in squalor to wear your uniform, faggot.
Tell your rich boomer parents to mail you more GoPro gear and diapes for your shitty pampered ass.
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>>38542369
Tbh idk how it works for officers. I think I was supposed to claim my uniforms on my taxes but wasn't sure so didn't do it. We don't get a uniform stipend as far as I know.
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>>38542440
other way around salty boi I send money home
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>>38542440
Lel what a salty little bitch. Military is literally the exact opposite of welfare. You work, so you get a paycheck.
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>>38542413
>real estate
you can do this without the military much more successfully
Your average service member doesn't make much unless they're single and receiving BAH.
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>>38542475
VA loans + buying a house at every duty station + guaranteed military renters due to base = profit

>unless they're single and receiving BAH
then don't be an idiot and get married, there are no benefits to it in modern society
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>>38542510
you're literally the exception and acting like this isn't the case. You're also undoubtedly in a ton of debt and ignoring that, which again, people could finaggle without being in the military. Military is far from "making it" in life unless you enjoy the unique duties and opportunities, otherwise you can seek success with fewer limitations as a civilian. This is fact.

Unless of course you're a career officer trying to climb the ladder all the way up.
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>>38542413
what's your job then
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>>38541524
>Is joining the military even worth it today?
join the National Guard
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>>38541967
>no stupid ass wars
Then literally what's the point?
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>>38542050
Fuck that gay shit nigga I want to kill people.
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>>38542607
He’s posted here before with the same message.

From what I remember he’s a nuclear engineer or nuclear tech specialist onboard a U.S. navy nuclear submarine. Those guys get payed significantly more than anyone boot or pog, so their pay is NOT normal
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>>38542547
by what accumulating $400,000 in student loans? it goes both ways. there are exceptions to every rule on both sides. it follows the same path if you join as a grunt don't expect to get anything or learn any useful skills out of it in your time in and your wasting years of your life. if you go to college to be an English major don't be surprised when you work at buffalo wild wings till your 40, a smart person will succeed regardless of the situation he works in. I can say with certainty that you will most likely see and do more different things by being in and traveling than most people who are going to be working at the same job for 30 years. but it is not for everyone. I mean I was getting paid while I took this photo can you say the same?
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>>38542693
>can you say the same?
No, but I do want to join my states ANG is it worth it?
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>>38542678
>nuclear engineer
Well fuck, a Nuke Eng could easily make that much with civillian jobs.
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>>38542451
Yeah, you don't get a stipend, but all of it's deductable.
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>>38542647
>thinking you won't / don't kill people as a politician
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>>38542705
I would join for them to pay for college and that's it get out after if you are going that route
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>>38542678
Bwahaha and their degree holding civ counterparts work less shit and make more for their time. Also high attrition rate and meg repeatedly warns of how much that job sucks for anyone who likes freedom in their life. Holy shit what a joke acting like hurr durr it's fine because of me being in a unique situation in an absurdly specialized job in the military anyone can do it
This guy is just refusing to accept someone could do the same without the military
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>>38542693
You were also forced to go there and would be legally punished if you refused to go somewhere shitty or just separated. You're like an Instagram whore only showing the good bits
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>>38542705
Depends what you're after. Ask in meg
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>>38542630
>not getting 100% post 911 gi benefits
Pfffffft
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>>38541524
Yes it's worth it. The better educated you are before you try the better. You can meet people from all over and learn about places in ways you can't read about. You'll go to places and do things you wouldn't normally do. The more you bring into it, the more you can get out of it. There are people that think if you put nothing in you can just take out of it. They wouldn't be able to get any more out of it than someone that put in less.
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>>38542806
got my degree in Air Traffic Control and didn't want to wait on the FAA so I'll probably join the states ANG for ATC.
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Only worth it if you understand what you are getting yourself into.


Its peacetime. Theres gonna be a lot of boredom and lots of bullshit. Especially in the USMC. As soon as I got back from my second deployment the peacetime bullshit started and it sucked.

You'll get GI Bill, and if you arent retarded youll be saving money instead of blowing it all on strippers and bud light. My friend EAS'd with around 30k in the bank and a free ride to college. I was dumb and blew all my money.
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>>38541629

One can EASILY, just use that picture, with the nose more hooked, and then say things like

>Around Jewish Shills...
>White are scum
>So says I, a member of the Jewish Master Race
>They cause all the holocausts, unlike me, who is a productive memember of the world.
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>>38542647

Nigger minded behavior, nigger minded thoughts, from a man who expresses himself like a nigger, who'd have thought.
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>>38542874

hell, I blew a ton of money on strippers and beer and i still EASd with like ~25k in the bank. The biggest financial advice is to not make any stupid purchases that require financing. There's no need to buy the new Ford Raptor when you can get a 2001 f150 for like 3k. If you do this then you can afford to splurge on some beer and strippers without breaking the bank.

When did you EAS? I got back from my second deployment in 2012 right when the peacetime shit started happening. EASd in early 2013.
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>>38542050

lol fuck off. Combat is amazing. It was the best months in my life and I would trade ANYTHING just to go back to my patrol base in Afghanistan for a week
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>>38542693
Seychelles?
Which boat? I know it's a boomer dont lie to me.
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>>38543000
I didn't say I didn't like it. In fact I said I did.
All I'm saying is that it's a terrible, pointless experience.
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>>38541524

it was never worth it

the military is for retards
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>>38543236
Was it terrible if you liked it?
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>>38543336
Catharsis, while good, can still be a terrible experience anon.
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>>38542693
>$400,000 in student loans

why do milfags always grossly exaggerate debt load while ignoring the hugely increased earning power in the private economy for anyone who majors in a useful major?

i make more than a major general at retirement right now, my loans are long paid off and i am just another engineer, not even a doctor/lawyer/finance guy.
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>>38543701
because they're trying to justify their life choices and don't know how much it actually costs.
t. military guy

I joined because I felt I couldn't afford school, upon looking into it I realized it's not out of reach for pretty much anyone to get a degree, even in a proper field. Tons of state, federal, and school programs to get good students in. These guys just see the initial price tag after a google search then only remember "it's expensive" so inflate it when making a point of "i dont even need school i dont wanna be eternally in debt hahaha you poorfag"
Notice it's always enlisted without degrees who say this shit.
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>>38542693
>$400,000 in student loans?
>go to CC for two years
>major in engineering
>get good grades instead of just being a lazy jackoff
>earn scholarships
>college will only cost a few thousand out of pocket
>you'll have an engineering degree and good grades
There, you've basically written yourself a blank check to live a successful life wherever you want without having to literally be governent property who signs away their rights.
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>>38543701
because most students graduating don't have a lot of experience and they'll only make good money if they have masters or PhD
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>>38543750
>most students graduating don't have a lot of experience
Maybe they should have gotten some internships, then.
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>>38543750
t. enlisted without degree
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>>38543770
depends on the job, engineers will get careers when they're still in school, I went to school for air traffic control and I can't any sort job at the airport

>>38543789
15Q probably gonna go 150A
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>>38543741
>hurp durp just go into engineering
you're a fucking retard.
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>>38543750

for engineering disciplines, graduate degrees are basically free. schools pay you to do research and teach undergrads, plus you get a living/housing stipend. 1 or 2 years to do the masters and you are set in the job market for life.

as >>38543739 said, the sticker price is highly misleading, there is a ton of scholarship/grant/cheap loan money out there for people who need it
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>>38543809
I went to ERAU for aerospace engineer and they only choose the guys with 4.0s for jobs
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>>38543799
>15Q probably gonna go 150A
this doesn't change what you're replying to unless you're a 15Q with a degree already...
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>>38543819

then get a masters and do internships during summer, nobody gives a shit about GPA if you have research and work experience
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>>38543809
it's not the norm for masters students to get tuition waivers and stipends, but keep spreading bullshit. it's also highly unlikely for a thesis masters to last just 1 year.
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>>38543840

It is if you act like you intend to continue onto a PhD. Don't be a retard and say you're only staying for a MS.
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>>38543800
>t. butthurt business/english/psychology/lesbian dance theory degree holder
How does it feel to know your degree is literally worth less than the paper it's written on?
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>>38543829
my degree is in ATC and I probably won't leave the army until the new pink and greens roll out
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>>38542050
t. never been in combat
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>>38543858
if you are competitive enough for a PhD then you might as well enter the PhD program, take enough courses for a coursework only masters (1-1.5 years) and then quit.

that way you get a tuition waiver and stipend from day 1. it doesn't matter what your plans are, an adviser won't give you a stipend and waiver from the beginning if you're a masters student.
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>>38543859
my degree is worthless because it's a piece of shit engineering degree. engineering is a saturated field filled with boomers of all ages.

you know what i did today? i weighted potatoes and i baked them while getting paid $40/hour. i can't wait till they send out my diploma in august so i can take a pic of it in the toilet.
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>>38543902
Uh-huh. What kind of internships did you have?
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>>38543862
what school and associates or bachelors?
This isn't a normal degree and why can't you make "good money" with just the degree?
If you got it in the army can you really talk about the job prospects using the degree? I know someone who got out of the air force after doing air traffic control there and is making bank in NOVA. No degree.
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>>38543875

yes that is the best plan, get into the PhD program, do research in some hot new field, then get out and make bank.

alternatively, some schools offer 1 year masters programs that skip the research but you have to pay tuition. considering the pay bump most companies offer for a masters it is a worthwhile thing to look at.
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>>38543928
Associates, Texas State Technical College, but you only make a shit ton of money once you have all your ratings, and getting ratings is hard to come by in the National Guard
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>>38543959
>Associates
>Texas State Technical College

well there's your problem
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>>38543908
why would i have internships as a phd student, are you retarded? (that's a rhetorical question)

if you get a job, and that's an if because engineering is over saturated, you are almost guaranteed to be a cad monkey if you're in mechanical engineering, and since you're retarded it's pretty obvious that you're either mechanical or civil.
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>>38543979
>why would i have internships as a phd student

It's a called a graduate internship numbnuts
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>>38543940
>and then graduate school at 33 and enter the work force

brilliant what a leg up on military retard that is retiring in 5 years at 38
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>>38543959
>associates
>national guard
Gee I fucking wonder
You obviously need a bachelor's and you know this, but my ATC pal explicitly said you generally need a lot of hours in a tower before you can actually get a job. I'm sure an active soldier w/o a degree would get a job easier than you. Let me know if that's wrong.
Good luck with your bachelor's though and if you intend to commission good luck with that.

>>38543967
yeah but it's not like ATC is a normal thing to get an education in in the big picture. I looked up schools that do it, and it's a lot of schools like that.
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>>38543336
People take hallucinogenic drugs that gave them the scariest experiences of their life, and that caused them literal trauma, again and again despite the drug not being addictive. People return to abusive spouses, despite knowing it's slowly destroying them as a human. You can love something, but still see it as pointless and destructive. People are strange.
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>>38544000
>thinks military retirements at 20 years is better than a graduate degree
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>>38543967
>>38544002
You don't need a 4 year degree for ATC all you need to do is pass the CTO exam and attend the FAA Academy
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>>38544008
>not getting a degree for free and job experience while you are in for free so I can be your boss when you get done with all that while making an extra $40,000 for doing absolutely nothing
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>>38544000
>done with undergrad at 22
>done with MS at 24
>make a fuck ton more money than the military retard forever

how did you get 33?
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I just wanna get paid to lift weights and shoot shit, is that bad?
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>>38543995
it's called not wanting to be an eternal ABD, fuckass. it took me 5 years to finish, and that's longer than i wanted as is. why the fuck would i give up my summers for some pittance of a pay while further delaying my graduation?
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>>38544048
Why don't you actually post how much you make then?
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>>38544035

at the same age, the guy with the graduate degree is already in the workforce by the time you finish your "free" undergrad degree and made far more than $40k during that time.

>be your boss
>new bachelors grad will be the boss of experienced workers with graduate degrees

oh god the delusion
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>>38544048
it is the national average age for a graduate student or did you get your Ph.D. at 25. are you going to work for nintendo after?

https://www.gradschoolhub.com/faqs/what-is-the-average-age-of-a-graduate-student/
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>>38544028
The point being made is it's always enlisted without degrees. The guy basically has a trade cert and definitely not a bachelor's acting like he's enlisted with a degree.
>go 150A
K gl with an associates

>>38544035
>getting an online degree and no experience
>not having any experience in the field you think you can magically work in for max moneys
You don't get how this works at all but go ahead and do your thing. You're gonna retire as some broken E8 thinking you got it made because you're retiring with a "free" 30k/year and whatever disability you get.

Meanwhile the 18 year old who went straight to college and got a degree that's useful doesn't need disability 20 years later and is making more than you will with disability and retirement and a job...
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>>38544084
40k is how much he would be getting in retirement per year for the rest of his life if he retired as an E-7 on top of the job. officer retirement is usually 6 figures
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>>38544104
how is going into the nuclear field after working in it for 20 years no experience? your math confuses me.
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>>38544079

sure, i am the neverserved engineer from earlier

167k base + 40k retention per year + 25% of base perf bonus

this is in texas, btw, not silicon valley.
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>>38544086
>average grad student is 33
this is why I'm going to make my kids do dual enrollment in high school
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>>38542344
Exactly. Combat is a tragic experience. Everyone complaining is either ETS'ing in a matter of months and looking forward to the end of the BS (it's the same no matter where you go) or some fag who wants to lord over others by saying, "You should never do what I have done."

The military is full of people who couldn't make it in the real world and they know it. It's next to impossible to get fired in the military. Learn the art of the shamurai or apply yourself and become part of an elite unit.
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>>38544129
oh hey, me too I make 457k I also believe you. show me the block one of the W-2.
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>>38544129
And what exactly is it that you do to allegedly earn more than double what the typical late career salary for engineers is?
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I'm joining the Army, 11X option 40. Everyone talks about how shitty it is being in the infantry or whatever, no one ever talks about how shitty it is scouring a 40 page word doc for grammar edits and the spelling of obscure Islamic scholars and Turkish names that spellcheck won't catch. To be honest, I'd rather get fucking shot at. I'd even rather be in a gay peacetime conventional infantry battalion. I'd rather be wearing a red beret picking grass off the curb with my bare hands than spend all day staring at a screen to finish some product for work that is ultimately meaningless.

Maybe it's just me. If I had to spend all day getting hazed, made to clean stupid shit, and surrounded by morons, I would look back and think, hey, at least I'm not a research assistant for some hack of a professor. Even if everything goes to shit and I don't make the cut and I end up fenced in at the 82nd for an entire enlistment, I think I will have felt better about it and enjoyed it more than if I had spent another day on a university campus or in some fuckin bank or office.

Luckily it's going to be a lot better than that because I'm going to show up prepared, get that fuckin tan beret and deploy early and often.

>peacetime
We're in 7 wars and a hundred different countries doing FID. The entire Sahel is fighting off terrorist groups aligned with ISIS. We're going to be in Africa for decades. I'm not worried about getting good work for the next 2 decades.
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>>38544086

if you straight shot your way through education without stopping to work, you are done with masters at 24 and PhD by 29/30.

the comparison here is going to school versus signing your life over to politicians, so accounting people who re-enter education later in life is disingenuous.
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>>38541524
It's muuuuuuuch better when you join as an officer.
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>make no money so you can get it done 3 years earlier
wow you sure convinced me
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No it isn't. Let's be generous and say he's an e9 at 20 years (won't be).
Base pay at 20. $6,069
divide by 2
$3034.50 * 12 = 36414
So even if you're hot shit and hit e9 by year 17 (lolno) and got max High 36 pay you're not making 40k a year. And it's not tax free either...
Now let's assume disability gets you over 40k, which it should, you're still making shit money compared to the guy who went to a school and has been in the field for well over a decade now.

>>38544121
Jesus christ you're still active and believe the lies? Do you think most nukes get out and make mad fucking bank? They don't, most simply don't. Over half of your career in the military at 20+ years is administrative, not experience doing the job... A guy who did an equivalent program with a degree is going to be miles ahead of you in his career still you moron.

None of this is to say military retirement is a bad gig, it's pretty comfy, but it's not outclassing a full career and isn't as much as people think. It would seem not only do people inflate the cost of education, but the amount of retirement you get at 20 years. There's a reason senior enlisted continue working after they retire from the military.
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>>38544183
that's why you go LDO and retire as an O-4
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>>38544157

here you go, my redacted offer letter. i also got a absurdly generous relocation package that i don't think i will ever see again, it was fucking fantastic.

i do EE/CS stuff for a major electronics firm. 15 years experience.
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>>38544158
Sua Sponte
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>>38544218
So you're in software development/coding. You won't see that kind of money as an engineer.
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>>38544218
LMAO, I said the w-2 I don't believe that shit. I want to see block 1.
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>>38544238
Not that guy but thats just not true
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>>38544158
Not even in and already talking shit.

When you drop out of RASP and get sent to a regular line unit and find yourself doing absolutely nothing for 4 years, you'll see why people say it's retarded.

>Everyone talks about how shitty it is being in the infantry or whatever, no one ever talks about how shitty it is scouring a 40 page word doc for grammar edits and the spelling of obscure Islamic scholars and Turkish names that spellcheck won't catch.

Because a cushy desk job where you get to bullshit all day is better than arthritis, hearing loss and zero marketable skills in the real world when you're barely at 28 years old
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>>38544276
>Because a cushy desk job where you get to bullshit all day is better than arthritis, hearing loss and zero marketable skills in the real world when you're barely at 28 years old
you forgot chronic paranoia and crippling loneliness
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>>38544265
>grasping at straws this hard

you can believe whatever you want. i kept my old house before the move so my w-2 would have my rental income too, then you can sperg about how the numbers don't add up. whatever.

>>38544238
well my title has "engineer" in it and my degree says "engineering". admittedly EE/CS is pretty lucrative compared to other engineering disciplines but all my friends from college managed to do pretty well. especially the CS guys who went to wall street.
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>>38544276
oh man I hadn't heard this perspective before, I nearly made a huge mistake. thanks faggot
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>>38544269
Yes, it is true. Engineering managers will usually cap out around 150k, and at that point you are more of a manager than an engineer. Your typical engineer will be lucky to have a 6 figure late career salary. Sure, there are exceptions such as a chemical/petroleum engineers doing consulting work in Saudi Arabia or such, but those are exceptions to the rule.

To see the money that he's earning is largely unheard of in engineering, unless you're an "engineer" in title only but actually work as a programmer.
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>>38544276
>Because a cushy desk job where you get to bullshit all day is better than arthritis, hearing loss and zero marketable skills in the real world when you're barely at 28 years old
and what skills will that "cushy" job provide you with? he can always work as a cop or for a federal agency, and despite what people say, cops get paid really fucking well consider how low the barrier to entry is and how easy to work is.
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>>38544311
Yes, you're exactly what I was referring to in >>38544321. Your title may say "engineer" but if you actually worked as an engineer that wouldn't be your salary. Half of that, at best.
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>>38544208
You people are so stupid and miss the point entirely.
20 Year 04 = $7,869
Let's not forget that by this point you have actually gone out of your way to get a degree by now (or not but gl then) and are probably in for over 10 years already.
I'm not familiar with promotions for LDOs but then you have to hit 04 by the 20 year mark.

After all of this, and absolutely being hot shit the entire time in your career, congratulations you're making 47k/year in retirement at best. Meanwhile your peer who never served who still has to work is still well over a decade into their job field with at least a master's and probably a PhD if they kept at it and were also hot shit.
Gee I wonder who makes more not only annually, but in their lives?
This level of "career planning" is not fucking difficult, why do you just pretend you've found the secret to success?
Let's say someone got a degree and just flat out commissioned, after 20 years they're better off than you are STILL and with only a bachelor's.
None of this stuff is a secret, and you can do great things and get a great job, but degrees aren't a fucking scam, you don't game the system by being in the military. In fact, the military limits you financially in terms of your potential and doesn't allow you to climb the social ladder outside of playing the promotion game. As enlisted you're on the losing side financially vs an equivalent who just stuck with education and jumped straight into the career. It's not a secret and it's not like you're gonna be poor, but don't pretend you're gonna be rich because of retirement or anything.

Regarding retirement anyway, it's being completely reworked effective FY2019 anyway soooo enjoy.
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>>38544336
Lmao.

Yeah infantryman can be cops and security guards.
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>>38544321
There are plenty of chump jobs in software as there are in engineering.
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>>38544336
>work as a cop
sucks
>federal agency
requires a degree almost always and the pay isn't anything stellar. Benefits can be top though.
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>>38544336
>>38544373
Also most federal agency work isn't fucking gruntwork or Ranger shit. You can tell yourself you're gonna be set after you do your fun stuff as infantry but you will quickly realize you have fooled yourself.
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>>38544366
and what desk job are you going to qualify for? cops can easily start at 60k/year depending on the location. what will you earn as the office bitch, 40k?
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I don't know what you're talking about Anon, I'm joining the Coast Guard and I've heard nothing but good things about it from former guardsmen and other military members of my family. It sounds like you should try a branch that's not going to break your knees, damage your hearing and ruin your lower back.
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>>38544366
yeah it's also a good in to have when applying for a position at FBI. but most of the former infantry guys I know are now mall security guards. thank god I avoided that disaster, I'm a sysadmin and I play video games all day, but I gotta tell ya, it's lonely at the top when you're this successful
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>>38544390
>what will you earn as the office bitch, 40k?
self respect and a normal sleep schedule
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>>38544390
>office bitch
>40k
you realize the highest paying jobs are in offices, right?
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>>38544387
yeah well I'm not going to be interested in doing gruntwork after retiring from the Army, so a white collar FBI job sounds kinda nice
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>>38544370
You realize that a "chump" job in software is 60k/year, while that is the "average" starting salary for engineers? CS graduates from top schools can score 100k starting offers, and even 200k offers are given out to the most desirable candidates by FANG. An engineer won't earn 100k per year straight out of school in his wildest dreams. Even petroleum engineers would cap out around 80k, at best, when fracking was all the range in the US. This required something like 60-80 hour work weeks, though.
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>>38544395
Most FBI work is in an office. The vast majority of FBI employees work at a desk all day, even the stereotypical FBI agent does.

>>38544421
>yeah well I'm not going to be interested in doing gruntwork after retiring from the Army
you're not gonna be interested in doing gruntwork 1 year into the army but alright!
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>>38544414
you realize that you won't qualify for the highest paying jobs as a jackass that dicked around for 4 years without any marketable skills?
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>>38542647
You can start with yourself then
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>>38544431
Do you really think a cop makes more than someone whose career is at a desk? A guy just mentioned chump jobs in software being 60k/year and you say that's good takehome for a cop.
Both require a few years of experience and a lot of cop departments want a degree if you intend to be promotable, especially in bigger cities.
Obviously a basic data entry newbie ain't making 60k but neither are most entry-level cops. Why you'd do a grunt just to end up as a cop is beyond me
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>>38544422
>Even petroleum engineers would cap out around 80k

Nah man, petro-engineers had the highest starting pay of any discipline during the years of $100+ per barrel oil, even more so than the CS/EE crowd. Friends of mine went to Houston with 120k starting offers with just a BS.

That said, petroleum engineering is a highly cyclic field so a lot of those guys became unemployed for lengthy periods of time, or had to travel abroad to make money.
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>>38544467
>Why you'd do a grunt just to end up as a cop is beyond me
you're thinking backwards. you end up as a cop because you were a grunt. 60k for sitting in a car and bullshitting a day is plenty. especially if you find some whore to keep on a leash that will probably earn 40k or so.
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>>38544490
>or had to travel abroad to make money.
they probably make a shit ton in the mid esst
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>>38544490
>Friends of mine went to Houston with 120k starting offers with just a BS.
From what I've read the offers were never that high, but the extra money came from the bonuses that were given out for everything. You would get extra pay every single day you were on the fields, and you were on the fields everyday. Of course, this meant that you played around in the dirt and oil despite having a degree, unlike software where you sit in an air conditioned space.
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>>38544422
>You realize that a "chump" job in software is 60k/year
>CS graduates from top schools can score 100k starting offers, and even 200k offers are given out to the most desirable candidates by FANG.
anon, there are very few jobs that require skillsets justifying that much money. the inflated salaries you're talking about are a result of the shit going down in california ($500 a week to step in some homeless man's shit on your way to work) and the absurdly high profit margins in modern software engineering.

you can write 1,500 lines of unreadable python and earn your employer $150 million a year, if you pump out work with that level of quality in engineering you will kill someone in a month.

the problem with software is that it's arcane. with large projects nobody understands what's going on, so no one can comprehend and fix systemic issues. managers believe that code output is everything, and will complain if you're not coding, no matter what else you're doing. if it isn't completely broken, it will make millions.

yes, a 180 IQ autist making 300k at facebook out of college probably deserves that much money. but that isn't the true experience for the majority of graduates.

give it 10 to 15 years and you'll see. all of these faggots making 100k for a few lines of python will be kicked out once things get tight.
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>>38544522
>once things get tight.
or replaced by AI
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>>38543902
>i weighted potatoes and i baked them while getting paid $40/hour.

Sounds pretty comfy desu.
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>>38544538
see you in 2077.
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>>38541524
It's not worth it. Go to a maritime school instead.
Make money booboo
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>>38544498
I didn't get it backwards, I'm saying joining the military as a grunt to become a cop is just a bad idea. You'd legitimately be better off just becoming a cop.
> 60k for sitting in a car and bullshitting a day is plenty.
Not longterm it isn't.
>some whore making 40k or so
Really this is acceptable lifegoals? You may be joking but a lot of people legitimately think this is /comfy/ and it's just pathetic imo. That's coming from a poorfag who grew up with less than that working out of that lifestyle.
Aim high, anon.

>>38544514
Not him but you are misunderstanding what he meant I think. If not, then I am.
When he says petroleum engineers he means people with degrees in petroleum. It's a big thing in the large Texas schools and has great career prospects apparently. It's a science, not oil worker stuff.
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>>38544548
you too Patriot
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>>38541967
>no stupid ass wars
Yeah we totally pulled out of the ME right?
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>>38541967
>no stupid ass wars and the rules have been dumbed down severely
dude Saudia Arabia offered to fund the entire Invasion of Syria
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i dont care about making big bucks though
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>>38544544
it's not, my dude. grad school sucked dick in more ways than one, but it still had positives. this job has all the same suck with none of the positives, just higher pay.

about 3-4 hours of my ~8 hour work day today were spent doing nothing but watching a screen to monitor the temperature of the thermocouples in the potatoes and taking them out/replacing them when they were hot enough. better yet is when i have to do CFD simulations on a fucking laptop that starts getting thermally throttled after like 5 minutes and the simulation slows to a crawl. because it makes complete sense to give engineers only laptops when engineering software is demanding enough to warrant top of the line desktops.
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>>38544430
yeah fair points I guess. I think the distinguishing factor is that I know the kind of gruntwork to expect with the path I am choosing for myself, and have made the decision that it is far more worthwhile than alternatives listed here. just for context, I attended a highly ranked university and many of my friends work at banks and consulting firms making more than the engineer/CS faggots ITT. I talk with those friends often and most hate their jobs. A few have personalities that lend themselves to success in their field and they truly enjoy it. Because of where I went to school, who my family members are, and some opportunities that I've had in the past 4-5 years, I've had a lot of exposure to both highly successful white collar workers and every variety of service member. I've been underway on a nuclear submarine, I've been in the rear seat flying around with a Navy pilot, I've spent more time than most with an SF ODA, I've been on many ships, and I've met hundreds of dudes on active duty. After doing a lot of personal research and getting a lot of quality experience, I've decided this is what I want to devote my life to. The guys who sign an option 40 not understanding what it is or what they are getting themselves into, or who do it just to grab some jump wings, they make up the attrition rate. I am not one of those guys.
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>>38544592
Chances are you will later on, though. Not that life is about money or the military is a bad career.
If you join though at least do something you like and don't go infantry. Only people who want to be infantry aren't infantry.
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>>38544567
if you plan to die before 50 it's a perfectly acceptable life goal. you'll have a relaxed work day and have enough money to spend on various frivolous bullshit.
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>>38544606
ok good luck.
If you're
>I'd even rather be in a gay peacetime conventional infantry battalion.
then you should screenshot your post to remind yourself in the future of your current mindset.
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>>38544571
Your point? We're still in Europe and Korea only like a dozen people have died in action in the last 3 years
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nothing in your life will be meaningful unless you believe it is
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>>38544652
We're not out yet, and once we're out we'll be back in somewhere else. Our military defends saudi paychecks, not freedom.
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>>38544422
I started at 130k in circuit design in EE. By 24 was at 170k. But then again I'm in silicon valley where everything costs too much.
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>>38542050
I plan on joining and I want to experience combat. I'm not really sure why but I love to experience new and novel things, I always want to try something new, whether it be food,drugs or whatever. I'm going skydiving in a couple weeks in fact. I'm trying to experience as many things as I can, and weirdly enough I want combat to be one of those things. I want to know what it feels like to take a life, although I have no desire to take some random innocent persons life, since I would just feel terrible and probably go to prison. Call me edgy all you want, that's just how I feel.
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>>38544779
That's what a ton of boots say to justify going infantry... truth is, it really isn't all that it's cracked up to be... ESPECIALLY during peacetime. Go ahead and do your 4 years and complain about how much your body aches and how you got "screwed" out of benefits. I probably sound salty but whatever
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>>38541629
>Polite sage for off topic.

Violation of Global Rule 7. Enjoy your ban, faggot. While you’re cooling your heels in ban purgatory, do 5 minutes of reading to learn what the fuck a sage is and how to use it. It’s not a downvote, you newfag fuckwit.
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>>38542647
Man when I join the army i'm gonna dual weild berettas like on counter strike and do a backflip while shooting the terrorist in the head. Then I'll pull out my combat knife and melee kill his terrorist partner and defuse the bomb.
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Just hit my second year on a 4 year air force contract.

I understand the Army is treated like a bunch of retards by leadership and I wouldn't wish that on anybody after just dealing with it in tech school, but my current life is super chill. I fix airplanes for 10 hours a day, just doing a normal job like a normal person, then go home and do whatever the fuck I want.

All my living expenses are taken care of and I still have money for guns, video games, cigars, and my crippling alcohol addiction.
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>>38544779
>drugs

Yeah, don't join the military. I found a dropped bottle of premium expensive weed on a hike last week and I had to leave it on the fucking ground.
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>>38545161
I don't even really smoke weed, I don't even drink very often. I mostly do psychedelics but I could take it or leave it, I don't mind going a few years without it.
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>>38545428
Yeah I'm immune to weed or at least highly resistant. My friends thought that was BS but 3 solid hits on 2 or 3 occasions did basically nothing. My mom has the same thing. It's genetic.
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>>38545428
I mean, I really didn't want to smoke it, but I was mad I didn't have the CHOICE. I guess that's just me being American.
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>>38543902
>mechanical engineering degree
>isn't publishing information on how to safely manufacture firearms for the masses
Fuck you and your complacent lifestyle.
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Anyone who joins the military today is a fucking idiot. Its full of losers who cant hack it in the real world.

Enjoy fighting/dying for kikes and opium, there are no justifed wars anymore.
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>>38544779
Like thee other guy said this is what a ton of dudes say to justify this choice. I did too but fortunately changed my mind after thinking about life. You gonna learn
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>>38545517
I did it for schooling and a sweet cleanse.
It was a great success
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>>38546889
Clearance* derp




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