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Links for /PRG/

Group calc program.
> http://www.ontargetshooting.com/

Quick video brief with exercises on MIL ranging with practical exercises.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSbtwSS16Qg

Ballistic calc and chart.
> http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi

Turret/ milling/ basic windage/ basic drop/ Practice.
> http://www.shooterready.com/lrsdemo.html

Data books.
> http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5539-diy/13433967-d-i-y-data-books

Basic forum work.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rLfYLM48Ms

Glass basics.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVF2pdHbX1M

Some guy that thinks he is a Dinosaur, Sawry.
Sniper 101 link for the lazy crowd.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwG-D0HjCBQ
Playlist.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwG-D0HjCBQ&list=PLJUaiRIEduNXoal2_PkBZi0vDCIcEPxUn

Math suggestions to get you on target.
> http://www.millettsights.com/resources/shooting-tips/mathematics-for-precision-shooters/

Blank dope book.
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S4g3GGWc_ZrLoRyxGRso5bMPRpHaAmyxvtIVj_INddI/edit?usp=sharing

> http://precisionrifleblog.com/
Optics Review.
> http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/09/19/tactical-scopes-field-test-results-summary/

Baby's first lazer range finder.
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DS38XM2/

Am I going to break in & out shoot my barrel? No Anon, you probably aren't.
1st post.
> http://www.sniperforums.com/forum/off-topic/44655-gale-mcmillian-barrel-break.html
5th post
> http://www.sniperforums.com/forum/rifles/16385-do-you-break-rifles-come-accuracy-garauntee.html

A American Hamburgers ballistics calculators.
> http://bisonballistics.com/point_mass_calculations/new
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>>38805588
Haha benis
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>>38805588
Hows the MDT Chassis?
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>>38805631
Heavy
Also the ar grip interface is shit. It doesn't work with any grips that have a beavertail, which is 90% of ar grips.
The stock interface is also shit because it doesn't have an endplate detent, so your stock will wiggle loose over time.
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I want to try and 3D print a glue on more vertical palm swell for my Tupperware stocks. I wonder if it would be easier to just do cardboard, fiberglass, and bondo... I hate that swept hunter grip crap, hurts my wrist.
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thoughts on the John Hancock rifle?
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>newfag to hunting and guns
>only ever shot a 6 shooter
>want to go deer hunting in about 2 months
How would this fair for hunting deer?
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>>38806483
Itll work, get a proper scope and make sure to sight it in for the expected ranges youll be hunting deer at
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Love these threads.
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>>38806483
i have this savage scout 11 and find that this easily can take deer. the gun is accurate out to at least 500m depending on your skill. I was never able to sight in the peep scope correctly and ended up buying a normal rail for a traditional scope instead of a LER scope.
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>>38806483
Don't fall for the scout meme. Buy a tikka t3x chambered in .308win and put a vortex diamondback 3-9x40mm scope on it. you will need 1" scope rings. Watch a video on how to sight your rifle in.

Oh, buy a sling too and thank me later.
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Does JP have a decent justification for their 80% markup on the rest of the .224 market, or should I go with someone cheaper?
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rpr or bergara hmr?
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>>38810915
>1" scope ring in 2000+18
>Not 30mm or higher
>>38812646
I'd suggest RPR if weight isn't concerned since it uses an ar15 barrel not
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>>38813551
>Not 30mm or higher

>What is a 20MOA base for $400 Alex?
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>>38813551
If you want everything as small, compact, trim and light as you can while still being usable there are some good 1" tube options for lower priced scopes, which fits with the theme. That stuff still has a place.
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>>38813551
He wants a hunting rifle, and most entry level 3-9 "hunting scopes" have 1" tubes. The dumb fucker had only ever shot revolvers and was going to buy a scout rifle to go hunting with, so i felt obligated to spell it out for him.
>suggests an RPR because it looks cool and everyone on reddit has one
I bet you think the Viper PST gen II is a decent scope too. Post a pic of your hunting rifle and groups, big shoots.
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>>38812646
Bergara's R700 pattern action is enough to justify buying one over the RPR. If you ever want to upgrade to a bigboy chassis or trigger, the HMR is 100% compatible with all R700 aftermarket stuff, except for barrels. I think Bergara uses Savage threading on their shanks.
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>>38812356
Yea, JP precision is expensive, but I their precision gas guns perform in the top tier with GA Precision and LMT. You can expect 1/4 moa from JP rifles.
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>>38806218
The rock creek barrel turns me off is my first red flag. The second is me asking "where are they cutting corners to produce a rifle at that cost?" Going on a bit of a tangent, that rifle being approved by the PRS board for their production series matches highlights the pay to play point chasing drama that's been going on over at SH. Despite what the PRS board says, that Hancock rifle is a custom gun, not a production gun. The spirit of the production class was to compete with unmodified mass produced rifles. As of right now, I agree with the sentiment that PRS has become a corrupted shell of its former self.
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>>38813677
>Viper PST gen II
What's wrong with this?
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>>38813859
>he doesn't know
Start reading. I don't have enough crayons explain what has been said ad nausium
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>>38813677
Are you having a shit day at work or something m8, you're way more hostile than you need to be. You can disagree with someone without that.
He's in a /prs/ thread, one might assume he's looking for something with a little more range than a 3-9x 1" tube not that there's anything wrong with that setup.
The RPR does use a barrel nut like an AR15 which makes barrel swaps a bit easier than shouldering plus it comes in an aluminum chassis. It might not have the potential accuracy of a well done shouldered barrel but it fits a budget theme well and both of those rifles would be considered budget rifles. Only negatives it has going for it is of course the footprint and weight but it's not an action you'd probably ever want outside of what it comes in.
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>>38805588
>win NIB R700 Police .308
>go to shoot it
>very first round (factory fgmm 168) shears both lugs off the bolt
>zero signs of overpressure, no other damage evident
Fuck everything related to Remingshit
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>>38816152
are you sure it was 308 you loaded? You might want to contact federal about the lot if you're serious. Both remington and federal would want what you used to see what happened surely refunding you. I shoot a magnum rem700LR that groups tight and hasn't blown up on me yet.
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>>38816222
100% positive. Rifle is already on its way back to Remington, sent pics of the fired brass and the box of ammo with lot number to Federal but I'm 100% positive the ammo is fine (its from a 500rd case I've been shooting in 2 other rifles for the last 8 months).
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>>38815277
What about a Leupold VXR?
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>>38816248
well made but using 1960s tech for 2015 prices.
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>>38816246
well fuck, hopefully they send you something nicer than what you got anon. Makes me wonder if they forgot to treat the steel
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Free floating bolt heads match with free floating barrels. Float my everything and give me those
G R O U P S
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I've got my .308 groups below 1/2 inch center to center.
Trigger is about 2 lbs, which is light enough for me to some times fire before I intended to.
I'm considering a different stock but they all seem very expensive.
Does anyone have the adjustable Boyds stock?
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>>38816300
looked more like they over hardened it. Moreover looked like cast metal, very grainy and jagged where they sheared.

Bolt stayed closed, nothing looked or sounded wrong until I went to cycle the action and both lugs stayed in their pockets.

This is now the second critically defective high-end R700 I've had (I'm the guy that got the totally FUBAR Sendero).
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>>38816320
There's a reason they're expensive and if you've got a nice rifle you'll likely regret not saving a bit more for an upper name fiberglass stock or aluminum chassis.
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>>38816339
>I'm the guy that got the totally FUBAR Sendero
You have some shit luck m8. Id mention the sendero that had accuracy issues(?) as well while you deal with them. I know there's a couple guys in these threads that slay game with their senderos and I've had good luck with two of their actions lately but I'm thinking of selling off the sloppier of the two and getting a custom action as my next.
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>>38816531
I've already been around and around with Remington about the sendero. ended up fixing everything on it myself after they told me to go fuck myself and they wouldn't honor their own lifetime warranty. Honestly I didn't want the Police but got it in a DU raffle (I was trying for the Benelli shotgun). When I get it back it's going on armslist that day but I'm not expecting to get it back for 3-4 months.
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>>38816713
>>38816531
>buy savage poorfag shit
>submoa out of the box
>barrel swaps can be done at home
Kekking all the way to the bank with my sweet savings.
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>>38816887
yeah but you now have a rifle with a tumor at the ass of the action
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>>38816919
>he isn't aroused by the prolapsed bolt of a savage
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>>38805860
As someone who does a lot of this stuff on plastics especially, get the putty used for bumper repair, not regular stuff. You will probably need to go to a body shop supply store. The flexible is made to match expansion and contraction of plastic so won't pop off if temperature shocked. I would say doing that is way easier than trying to match with a 3d printed model
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im looking hard at razor hd gen 1 but people say gen 2 is better of course but i dont think i can stomach that extra dough. what say you guys?
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>>38817575
unless you're looking at the lpvo model there's better for cheaper that also happens to be lighter.
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>>38817706
any suggestions?
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>>38817732
whats the upper end of your budget and what magnification range are you looking for?

Are you willing to buy used/demo models from reputable sources if it means getting a really nice scope that would otherwise be out of reach?
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>>38817773
would like to keep it around $1200, $1800 would be really pushing it
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>>38817773
5-20ish mag, used/demo is fine
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>>38817811
should be able to get a Bushnell DMR2 or HDMR for around $1300 used or $1500 off samplelist. They shit all over the Razor HD gen2s.
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>>38816320
I second >>38816475
Save your pennies for a quality manners, mcmillian, or some sort of chassis. A well fitting, properly bedded stock is worth the high price.
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>>38817894
>>38817811
also you can get the eokek vudu 3.5-18x for $990 new on amazon. Despite the >eokek meme its legit awesome.
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>>38817575
The Leupold Mark 5 is a surprisingly good scope. Unlike past leupold models it actually tracks and punches above its price bracket.
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>>38818002
>punches above its price bracket.
It's already in the top-tier price bracket. It'd had goddamn better perform to that level.
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>>38818002
nigga the cheapest one is $1800, in the same price bracket as low end S&Bs. And its nowhere near as good.
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>>38805588
Is it possible to mount a scope low enough on a tikka t3 so that I can use a moe SL or other non cheer riser compatible stock on an LSS XL?
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>>38815277
Not him, but I've never heard anything bad about the pstII other than it's like $300 overpriced...
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>>38816919
I've only had 3/4moa at worst savages so I don't understand the derogatory nature of this comment..
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>>38817575
with glass you get what you pay for
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>>38819620
Where and how the bolt handle attaches on most Savage rifles is huge and bulky and looks vaguely like a tumor.

It works. it works very well, and the rifles perform, but damn they ugly.
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>>38819826
I guess that's why my compass looks so wimpy...
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>>38819554
That would depend on the scope measurements
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>>38816919
>m..muh stethics
Blithers the fudd, too shocked by his detonated rustington to form coherent thought. Even my stock is more handsome than yours.
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>>38820395
Tikka actually makes one of the most svelte looking rifles. Dat sculpted bolt shroud, hnnng
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Gents, ive never been happy with my ARs accuracy, but im not sure where to start to fix it? Barrel? Bolt carrier?

I can shoot sub moa with bolt actions but im at about 5 moa with my ar, nato vs match ammo doesnt matter, groups are still shit.
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>>38820522
5 MOA from match ammo sounds terrible, I'd have sent back that lemon.
What barrel do you have now?
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>>38820522
>5moa
is the barrel nut torqued down? Are you trying to shoot 5.45 or .22lr out of a 5.56 barrel?
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>>38820585

Its a green mountain iirc. I dont fuck with it much, its more my wifes gun, but still un acceptable.
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>>38820682

Nope, 5.56 never tried .223s though, but ut is a multicaliber barrel (223/556)
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>>38820700
Bolt head and barrel are the only parts mechanically affecting group size. A free float tube will eliminate POI shift from differing loads on the handguard. Buy a reputable barrel and a bolt head from the same company, as a matched pair if they offer. If your headspace is out of spec or particularly loose, you will have goobered accuracy. You may have just gotten a poor draw and ended up with a barrel and bolt both on the loose end of the spec and you're throwing hotdogs down hallways.
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Whats really sad is i can post better groups with my 357 then I can that fucker.
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>>38805588
RPAL and PAL application are on their way
Want to buy a rifle when they arrive for first time shooting and want to eventually get into 1000m
I like the idea of very heavy very long rifles, 308 seems like a good cartridge for 1000m
What rifle might you suggest?
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>>38820778

Whats your budget?
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>>38820778

Whats RPAL and PAL applications?
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>>38820844
Canadian gun licensing. Regular and restricted (IE, semi-auto)
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>>38820369

What diameter you reckon would work?
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>>38820778
>heavy
>long
>.308
Nah. .308 hits peak efficiency at like 22 inches. If you want it to be a good 1,000meter rifle, buy reloading equipment immediately. You're better off with a lighter, shorter barrel anyways. Better harmonics.
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>>38820885
Nothing more than 49mm OD on the objective IMO. Which means no 50mm or 56mm objective scopes.
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I bought a Remington sps tactical in 308 about 5 years ago off of some fud. It pretty much just sat in my safe because I had no idea how to get into precision shooting. Now that I'm getting into it I can't seem to get less than a 5 inch group at 200y with federal match. I have reason to believe the fud didn't take care of it because it was a "hunting gun". How can I tell if it's fucky or if I just suck terribly?
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>>38820829
I like a good bargain. I'd prefer to buy $1500 for the rifle or under and $1500 or under for the scope but if there is something at $1700 that is MUCH better than i'll take it.
>>38820844
Exactly as the other poster said, restricted and non restricted. Can legally purchase a gun when they come in the mail.You do a course.
>>38820908
Okay well id prefer a heavy rifle for recoil and aim, I am quite light, overcoming an ED. Long barrels are nice but 308 is cheap so i'll take 22 inches if I must. Unless there is a similarly priced, equally good at distance cartridge for longer barrels.
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Looking to upgrade my 1k yard for $1k rifle. Anyone got some suggestions?
>savage model 10t with bull barrel chambered in 6.5creedmoor
>primary arms 4-16 front focal plane scope
> random bipod I had on my .308 hunting gun.
Trigger is set at lowest possible weight I can get from the accutrigger.
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>>38821356
First upgrade I'd do is a Jard or Rifle Basix trigger (I don't think Triggertech makes Savage triggers, but if they do get that instead). Jards aren't really adjustable so get one about half as heavy as you think you'll be comfortable with, they're available down to ~6oz.

Second upgrade would be better glass.

Third upgrade would be a better, professionally-bedded stock.

Don't replace the bipod until you break it (you will break it, I can see the "Caldwell" on it)
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>>38821356
Chop up some styrofoam, fit it to your stock on one sidr and your face on the other. Wrap in duct tape. Duct tape cheek riser to stock. Its called a crayon eater. Best $0.00 upgrade you can possibly have.
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>>38821067
>total budget of 3 grand
Literally anything you want, duder. Go into any gunstore and tell em to just fuck your shit up, desu.
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>>38821066
>rustington
Its shit. Watch tiborasaurusrex's videos on long range shooting, he has an excelent tutorial series.
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>>38821365
Been meaning to do this for a while I sit a bit low for the scope.
>>38821363
Fuck didn't notice the picture I swapped that cheap piece of shit out for my Burris I have on it now. Any stocks or chassis you can reccomend I've been looking but savage is a cunt to find bits for. Already have a new scope in mind that has a 6.5 specific reticule and is front focal plane I'm pretty sure. And I'll look into the trigger it's so light now it actually kinda worries me but I haven't shot it a lot that low yet.
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>>38821370
i specifically want the heaviest, cheapest for accuracy 1000m capable 308 rifle. i dont know what i want because i dont know which rifle is best for this.
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>>38821439
>cheapest for accuracy 1000m capable 308 rifle
>1000m
>accuracy
>.308
>cheap
Did you see your therapist about that?
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>>38821439
Here ya go. 30 inch barrel, single shot, 13 pound rifle without an optic.
https://www.savagearms.com/firearms/centerfire/target/12-ftr
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>>38821463
Nigga, where do you think you are? Submoa costs less than 400 dollars in 2018 and .308 jas been the standard for long range interdiction for decades.
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>>38821484
>long range interdiction
I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Going .308 for 1000 meters is straight up retarded, and expecting an ill-suited cartridge to be accurate at that range for cheap even more so.
Your $400 rifle will go transsonic at 600 meters...
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>>38821500
Nigger, my gallery loads are supersonic to 700 and im no where near max pressure. What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>38821480

Was thinking this as well. I love my model12 lrp.
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>>38821500

Jesus, youre retarded. What cartridge do you recommend instead of 308?

>inb4 6.5 creedmoor
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>>38821506
Double nigger, that's still 300m to go
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>>38821529
Haha go buy your boomer durr rifle then. You won't shoot it at 1000m anyways so .308 will be fine :)
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>>38821480
A great suggestion, thanks a bunch. I couldn't find anything over 9.8lbs, 13 is nice. 30 inch barrel too, though should i be worried about what that guy>>38820908 said about 308 and 22 inch barrels?
Also is there anything similar in bolt action, im not very familiar with single shot. How is it?

>>38821484
From the research i've done 308 seems to be very commonly used for 1000m shooting, and .223 is slightly more common but for paper target and not used for hunting.

Part of what i want in my 1000m capable rifle is some degree of hunting usability.

>>38821500
Just so you know the guy you are arguing with is someone else. What cartridges do you use?
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>>38821533
>he doesnt know what a gallery load is
>he doesnt understand ballistics
>he thinks 308 can not into 1k
Wugwus, go and stay go. 155 grain palma flatline at a muzzle velocity of 2650. Eat fat dicks.
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>>38821537

You dumbfuck i own a 6br norma for precision and my hunting rifle is a 30-06 thanks.

What caliber do you suggest over 308 niggerknocker?
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>>38821539
Single shot is a bolt action with no magazine. Same action, you just have to load each round by hand. Not a big deal, most handloads for extreme range wont fit in a magazine anyways.
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>>38821537
No longguns detected. Post groups or git.
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>>38821578
Hahaha no, really, just buy the .308 :'D
>38821578
You're not even getting a (you) unless you drop the insults
>>38821600
You go ahead and post those 1000m groups first sicne you seem to be an expert. I just don't get why you guys keep suggesting a less than optimal cartridge. When was the last time a 1000m match was won with a .308 Win when the rules didn't specify that cartridge?
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>>38821633
>its all about the comps, brrooo
Oh, you're one of those. I hope you're aware that actual shooters make fun of people like you. You didnt even know what distance .308 retained supersonic velocity. How fucking dare you try to speak from authority.
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>>38821633

You gave me a (you) above your green text, ffs you are retarded.

What caliber is your champion? Lets read it.

>inb4 6.5 creedmoor.
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308. Is used in combat because of barrel life, caliber comonality and it does the Job. Really long range shots are rare anyways.

Here in Norway we have cheap 6.5x55 guns and ammo available. Except for barrel life it rapes 308. Om accuracy and shootability at all ranges. Cons are long cartridge so no ar10 or medium length bolt gun receivers
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>38821641
Man you seem to be getting really winded there haha relax bro or you're going to have a heart attack gramps
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>>38821675
This, just because you can get a .308 Win close with super-boutique bullets, 30" barrels and +p+ loads does not make it "just as good"
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Still no groups posted, still no champion cartridge posted.

>hornady git and stay git no one likes the 6.5PRC.
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>>38821686
>boutique +p+
>30 inch barrel
>i calced my holds for a 20inch barrel and a mild load with a common, if extreme bullet
Should i run the numbers for sierras and eld's. Oooh, i lost fiddy yards. Enjoy your 2000 round barrels, barn burners.
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Biggest disadvantage og 308 compared to 6.5 calibers, Are sensitivity to wind. And you need bullets that Are transonic/subsonic stable

But except barrel life 308 offers nothing compared to the faster smaller rounds
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>>38821722
Cost, component availability, shorter barrels have better velocities. An 18 inch 308 is moderately reduced in effectiveness. 100 yards at most. An 18 inch 6.5mm or 6mm is all but crippled.
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>tfw wanty a 300 norma magnum, but broke.
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How badly am i goinf to regret this little bastard?
https://swfa.com/barska-11-33x50-tactical-spotting-scope.html
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>>38819620
Shoot good, ugly as fuck.
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>>38822190

At worst its a shit 149$ wasted.
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>>38822190
33x isn't that much... What are you planning to use it for?
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>>38821722
I pick up all my 308 brass up off the ground at the range vs having to pay for my 6.5 brass so that's a huge cost per round savings... 26" savage 12fv I had threaded for a break, 175gr SMK hitting 2760fps, and a SWFA fixed 16x got me out to 1300... Had to hold 5 feet for wind though...
>1100 yard group
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My Remington 700P in 223 was a really fun cheap shooter.
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Remington 700 Long Range in 7mm Rem Mag
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Tikka T3X CTR Mcmillan in 6.5 Creedmoor
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Is the .338 Lapua a meme?
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>>38822190
all the regret. its beyond shit.
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>>38822523
ranging targets, duder. 33x is plenty to see a silhouette. im not looking to measure groups on paper at 1k yards with it
>>38822833
are we talking unusable levels of shit?
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>>38821365
>crayon eater
It's called a Cheek Riser you fucking neverserved Incel.
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>R700 action from the 90s
>everything squared up
>sako extractor
>timney or some other aftermarket trigger, breaks nice and is set quite light
>6.5x55
>heavyish tapering to medium Shilen 22"
>old H&S Precision stock which I've bedded myself with Devcon, turned out good and eliminated all movement.
>Talley alumin rail, 20MOA
>Burris signature zee rings
>Redfield Revolution TAC 3-9x40 turrets and reticle both MOA
>repro 1907 pattern sling I had laying around

I know it's far from ideal but this is the best my poorfag ass could put together for shooting out to 600 and probably 1000 later down the line. I like shooting from a variety of positions, so I chose the sling over a bipod. It's also quite light. It will also make a nice deer rifle if I ever get the chance.
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>>38823226
>HURR, HE MADE A JOKE
>FUCKING INCEL
what color is your favorite?
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>>38823248
Tan.
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>>38818016
>>38819498
Not everyone is as poor as you. Post pics of your compact shmidts and mark 5s
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>>38822808
No. It's an excellent ELR cartridge. But ELR is less skill based than it is gear based, and therefore the second most expensive subcatagory of presicion shooting (the first being unlimited class bench rail gun shooting).
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>>38823380
Look at this stupid shit... I want one.
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>>38822539
How big is that gong? Could you hear it hit at that range?
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>>38823394
I used to live down the street from the range where pic related was taken. Benchrest unlimited is the most rich autistic boomer hobby i've ever watched. The youngest competitor was 61 years old, and they all drove golf carts to their targets 100 yards away.
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>>38823380
>But ELR is less skill based than it is gear based
>is less skill based than it is gear based
>less skill based than it is gear based
>less skill based
>than
>gear based
>less skill based than it is gear based
>less skill
>based
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>>38823719
the only skill involved is wind reading, a skill also present in every single other long range competition. it is missing time pressure, the fundamentals of marksmanship, range estimation, movement, and varied targets. Get fucked.
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>>38824100
>the only skill involved is the hardest skill to learn
Someone that's a god of wind reading but has a Savage Axis sporter barrel is going to do better than someone with a $10,000 rail gun but is only mediocre at wind reading.

Your argument is dumb and you're a faggot.
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>>38813677
You sound like a fudgepacker who literally doesnt know shit about guns.
Lurk more lmao
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>>38824100
>>38824131
I concur, you are indeed a faggot.
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>>38823440
26" yeah if you were wearing electronic muffs, I have to wear earplugs when I'm on the rifle so I couldn't hear half of them.
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>>38823204
>are we talking unusable levels of shit?
Yes. Barska is THAT bad.
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>>38823204
>unusable levels of shit?
-poor glass quality, you will have a hard time seeing what you're looking at and be getting assloads of shimmer/mirage even at 50m and the glass is visibly milky even new-in-box
-very poor focusing system, you'll spend 15 minutes trying to get it in focus and may likely never actually get it in focus
-extremely extremely terrible light transmission, unless it's noon on a bluebird-clear day you're not seeing shit
-extremely unforgiving eyebox
-hope you don't wear glasses, it actually has exactly zero eye relief and you literally have to have your eyelashes touching it to see anything
-tripod mount is literally unusably trash that is physically incapable of being tightened enough to keep it from rotating on the mount under just its own weight
-included shorty tripod is so flimsy the one in our display case bent just from holding up the spotting scope, and after about a month in the climate-controlled display cabinets that literally nothing had ever rusted in before the "stainless" screws had all but disintegrated from rust

The sporting goods store I worked at for 3 years carried that exact model along with several other Barska spotting scopes, they are literally so much shit I wouldn't even use them as filler in a gravel retaining wall.
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>>38824100
>I shoot 800 yards with a 22 rimfire all skill.
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>>38824803
oof. well i dont have 4 digits to spend on a spotting scope, im really hoping the next bump up in price makes for something at least usable. Will this do well?
https://swfa.com/bushnell-15-45x60-legend-tactical-spotting-scope-113059.html
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>>38824895
>>38824429
>kneejerking this hard
>no body even making counter points
its an excellent test of barrel and action manufacture. It is an excellent test of your ability to read wind. That's it. Sorry to take a shit on your sacred cow
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>>38824896
Yeah that one's decent. Also Athlon makes one with a ranging reticle in it that's decent without being super expensive.
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>>38824929
Can i get some more info? The only athlons with reticles im seeing start at 999 bucks.
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>>38824963
They had one at the NRA Convention that was supposed to have an MSRP of $499 but I can't guarantee it's available yet. Sorry I can't be more specific because I can't remember the model name.

I personally don't consider an MRSP of $999 all that expensive because that should be a street price of ~$750, but if that's too much for you then the bushnell you linked is probably your best bet. That or a cheap handheld laser rangefinder with a regular spotting scope, Paths has a link to one in the OP info textwall.
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>>38824986
the athlons im finding retail right at 1k. Family of 4 on a modest budget, guns cant eat all my extra money. I'm just trying to find functional gear that works well enough to have a good time.
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>>38824896
drones are the new hotness

>>38824916
I agree in some ways that a lesser caliber is better to start out with b/c it forces the shooter to learn more and get better at shorter distances. That, and the barrel life, is why I suggest new shooters start with .308win.

.338lm is certainly not a meme but it's not really for "normal" target shooting either. It is a big, beefy round that is expensive and should really only be used if you're looking to do damage on a target (unless wind is a big issue and the shooter wants to minimize its effect with as heavy a round as they can get).
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what’s a good rifle with threaded barrel for 308/6.5? under $1000
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>>38823204
We were able to use the vortex laser range finder out to like 1400yards...
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>>38826016
Barrels are not difficult to thread at home
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>>38826016
You after a target gun, hunting gun, or something in between?
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>>38826046
I want a reticle to range with. Its half the fun for me, please be patient
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>>38826061
true
>>38826070
target/in between, mainly target
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>>38826159
Dont thread your own barrel. Its going to be off axis and ypu're goingnto get baffle strikes. Just buy a rifle with an already threaded barrel. There are a lot of options.
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>>38826159
tikka t3x ctr
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>>38826175
i think i would get a smith to do it, but i rather buy it prethreaded
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>>38826184
ive heard those are great, i guess i should overlook the stock and look at it
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>>38826209
the stock is serviceable as a multipurpose deal and the rifles fucking shoot.

Alternatively, look at the Bergara B14 HMR. A little heavier but also very accurate and has a good glass filled nylon stock a bit better suited to prone shooting.
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>>38824487
That’s actually a lot bigger than I thought. How do you get it down range? It can’t be easy to support that much weight hanging.
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>>38826175
>it's going to be off axis
If you're an incompetent fool
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>>38826480
>at home
Hope you have a lathe and the know-how to use it properly, because you're NOT getting concentric threading with a hand die.
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>>38822190
>Barska
Yes
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>>38826415
My friend has a side by side so the target stays put in front of a tank dam and we move back shooting off the tool box. It weighs like 50ish lbs and hangs on a 3/4" aluminum conduit rack.
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>>38821376
I'll do that thanks
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>>38823230
Nice!
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>>38826534
ah, so you're just ignorant.
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>>38826952
No, you're just a tryhard internet tough guy that's never touched any tools more advanced than a "household repair kit" consisting of a $3 hammer and set of slipjoint pliers.

I run a lathe for a living. I will say it again. You are NOT getting concentric threads with a hand die, you are NOT turning the barrel to the proper diameter to even cut the threads without a lathe to start with, and you are lying on the internet for no reason. End of story.
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>>38813677
>I bet you think the Viper PST gen II is a decent scope too.
??? Its expensive for what it is yeah but its not shit, it beats the shit out of the basic bitch diamondback you were recommending.
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>>38826991
>I run a lathe for a living.
Well you are pretty fucking stupid considering that barrels, pretty sure all of them, come pre-threaded.
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>>38827244
> I'd rather have a Weaver GS 3-10 over a PST.
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>>38827857
>considering that barrels, pretty sure all of them, come pre-threaded.
nigger you wut?
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>>38826991
I've rethreaded a barrel and threaded another, all fired through a caliber specific suppressor and no baffle or endcap strikes you barely useful mutt.

>hur dur what is annular cutter w/pilot
>hur dur what is die starter
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>>38827975
That dumb cunt is trying to say that barrels don't come with threads or twists already cut into the barrel.
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>>38828009
>I've rethreaded a barrel and threaded another
With what fucking tools?
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I swapped my gen 1 PST for the new strike eagle... Worse glass but 20 more MOA dial up... Theoretically good up to 1800 yards now...
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>>38828029
>I don't know the difference between muzzle threading and rifling
The post
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>>38828075
This is the right question instead of claiming it can't be done.

http://www.cncwarrior.com/category-s/1851.htm

Annular cutters w/ shank & pilot, die, die starter
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>>38828131
btw plenty of youtube videos out there showing it done
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>>38828131
Okay yes that would work, sorry, but this IS 4chan and I figured you were some basement dwelling NEET claiming a China-brand Chinesium tap and die set would do it. Especially since you fought me on it for an hour instead of just stating this outright the first time it seemed like someone who didn't know what they were talking about doubling down on their stupidity.
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>>38828131
You doing this by hand or with a drill press or hand drill? A local guy will live center thread barrels and time muzzle brakes for $50 so I just do that....
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>>38828127
>The post
I do even though you'll tell me I'm retarded. Even your green text shows I do. Sorry I didn't use perfectly anal retentive nomenclature up to your tight red pen standards.
>bloop blop bleep derpa darpa derp
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>>38828029
holy shit, you're shitting up PRG and you dont know the difference between fucking RIFLING and THREADS. Kill yourself immediately.
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>>38828173
So you are not
>>38827857
? If so I apologize...
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>>38828189
>neck your self
>>38828203
No.
I have had three muscle relaxers and two scotch doubles because I slipped a disc earlier.
>life would be much easier if i was
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>>38828189
>RIFLING
>What is twist?
>What is thread?
>I said both. Thank you for grading my paper teacher. Please let me recess for lunch.
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>>38828158
I do it by hand just to avoid any problems, still doesn't take all that long
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>>38828219
>moa and mils on the same dope card
Wdhmbt?
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>>38830546
I'm just going to assume he has a safe full of mil dot leupys with M1 or M2 turrets because "it was good enough for our boys"
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How do I get my Tikka from "bullet holes sometimes touching" to "always cloverleaf" and how much will it cost me?
Say, from 0.4 to 0.2 MOA?
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>>38830767
You dont. You're looking at a custom action built from a slab of steel and hand fitted to a barrel that cost more than the factory rifle you have. 4 grand minimum. .4moa is fucking fantastic, stop chasing the fairy and start pushing your range and wind calls.
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>>38830546
>Wdhmbt?
>>38830683
I prefer MIL's because that is what I learned on. I do have a couple of MOA scopes.
I just saved that picture to repost here in /psg/ threads.
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>>38830767
I watched a Bran Lizt video where he says if your rifle is shooting half minute then stop developing loads, stop fucking around, don't bother doing anything just go shoot it. Sounds like good advice to me.
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>>38830977
Image if the sights had settings to eliminate the need to adjust for bullet drop.....oh wait they do!
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Does anyone know if high velocity 22lr is less accurate at 110 yards than a .22wmr?

My guess is that going from supersonic to subsonic messes up with accuracy at 70 yards and above
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>>38832224
I've never really heard good things about 22 mag accuracy. High velocity 22lr seems to do ok at 100 and crap out around 200... The hyper velocity stuff like velocitors and stingers have always shot like crap in my guns.
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fug I want a tac a1 but have nowhere to use it right now
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>>38832224
My Anschütz Match 54 does about 1 inch at 100 meters with RWS Rifle Match, shot with aperture sights and front sandbagged
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>>38832328
No 100 m range?
I'm moving somewhere where the longest range within 1h is 50m...
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>>38832435
There are 200m ranges but you aren't even pushing the capability 7.62x39 at that range... I might as well get a Ruger bolt gun in a carbine caliber like that.

(Also no space to really put it)

I think I'll just spend my money on a decent scope come black friday this year or one of the following years then when I move back to the desert, get the Tikka tac a1, the Lithgow woomera, or whatever is the new hotness
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>>38832421
Have you tried other ammo? That's pretty bad at 100m for an Anschutz 54.
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>>38832222
>do you program it like your vcr?
>BDC' for long range...
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>>38805588

I did some arts and crafts today
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>>38837870

Pine needles are my favorite stencil
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>>38837907

I'm liking how it turned out
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>>38837929
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dont die
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>>38817801


AccuFit system lets shooters quickly adjust comb height and length-of-pull
User-adjustable AccuTrigger
AccuStock rail system secures the action three-dimensionally along its entire length
Detachable 10-round Magpul AICS magazine
Threaded heavy barrel with end cap
20 MOA EGW rail
Gray synthetic stock
Soft grip fore-end and pistol grip surfaces
New Model 110 design and ergonomics
Tactical oversized bolt handl
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>>38837977
Savage 110 Tactical 308
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With brownell's Howa action+barrel sale, what's a good-but-not-gucci chassis/stock to drop it in?
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>>38839167
MDT LSS.
>most of the benefits of a chassis for half the cost of a good chassis
>achieves this price point by being sharp-cornered and heavy
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Does anyone here draw range cards? Looking to learn field sketching andnim shre there are shortcuts besides just learning to draw landscapes.
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>>38821529
6.5 PRC
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>>38805779
you just cut the beavertail off with a dremel faggot. Wow, now every single AR grip works.
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Hey guys, I have recently purchased a Colt Sporter target model 20in barrel with a 1:7 twist, pic related, which I would like to turn into an SPR.

I got a new railed upper because I very much dislike having a scope on top of the carry handle and also i'm not a giraffe.

This is what I have so far:

Replaced the fixed A2 stock with the Fagpul CTR
Removed the FSP and put a MI free float handguard
Replaced the charging handle with the Radian Raptor LT
I purchased the new Magpul bipod but am yet to receive it.

Everything else is stock Colt.

For the scope I got a Vortex Viper PST gen II 3-15x44 on a Leupold mk2 ims cantilever mount.

I unfortunately can't put on a can because they are illegal in Croatia, but I would like to replace the grip as I hate the little bump the A2 has so any suggestions would be appreciated.

Anything else I should get/remove/replace? Keep in mind the prices in Europe are insane and some parts are difficult to get. I was thinking maybe the trigger at some point but I like the stock one so far. I don't have any pictures of the build in progress since I'm on vacation unfortunately.

Thanks!
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>>38837929
>vertically split rings
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>>38821529
6.5 creedmoor is the current hot shit for a reason and worth looking into. Of course there are better performing cartridges, but they will all cost more to shoot, thus likey limiting your time training on the range.

I'd rather have a rifle that I can afford to shoot consistently and train my fundamentals rather than a rifle that makes bug holes at 500 yards, but i can't afford to shoot.
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>>38842058
What's wrong with that? I like the Warne ones more than any horizontal split rings I've ever had. Also seems to torque more evenly.
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>>38841759
Why didn't you just buy a new upper and go from there? I'm not a purist, but for all the changes you made, you might have been better served starting from the ground up. Also, the CTR is pretty awful for SPR purposes. The SL line is much better if you want to stick with Magpul. Has a SOPMOD-like wide profile, but it has shrouded controls so you don't end up with the rifle coming back on you when you accidentally press the button when shooting from a bench.
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>>38837870
>>38837946
Very nice.
>>38842058
>Oh no Opinions.
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>>38828119
Did you already have a 20MOA rail on it or ?
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>>38806483

That's less of a specialized hunting rifle.

You'd be better off with a Savage 10, Ruger American, Howa 1500, or Remington 700 sporter setup.

I'd recommend 308, 6.5 creedmoor, 243, or 30-06 (in that order).

Get a decent brand 3-9x40: Vortex, Leupold, Nikon, etc.

1" rings from a reputable manufacturer: weaver is fine and available at Walmart.

If you shop deals you can get the whole thing put together for under $500.

>and don't forget a well made sling.
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Looking to build an AR10 in the next couple of months. I've been wanting to for the better part of 8 years and had always planned on going with .308, but now I'm leaning toward 6.5 creedmoor. It will primarily be a target rifle, I've never actually been hunting so all of my guns shoot paper/steel. Will most likely end up spending $3,000 or so on the rifle/optic, is there any other cartridge I should consider that is <$1/round?
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Is there a purpose to Laping modern day scope rings?
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>>38842334
The only reason I went this route is because it's very hard to buy and register an AR in Croatia. This rifle is already registered so that's the only reason. If I were to say buy a new one and try and import it chances are the governing bodies wouldn't allow me to register it and it would be confiscated (even if it was the exact same make and model as the one I have) because of how retarded the laws here are. I'd be more than sappy to build my own rifle from the ground up but that would cost more/take more time than this given that they would even allow me to import certain parts. Sucks I know but it is what it is. I'll take a look at SL line thanks!
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>>38842716
yea. if you don't use a monolithic scope ring system like spuhr, then lapping helps align surface mating between two rings. Spuhr mounts cost as much as they do because they machine out that variation.
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>>38842569
Your available options for "target" rounds in an AR10 are going to be:
>.22-250
>.243
>6mmCM
>6.5CM
>7mm-08
>.308
>a plethora of wildcats but if you're concerned about factory ammo cost this isn't for you
Factory match ammo does not exist for 7mm-08, and is both rare and well over $1/rd for .243. While factory match ammo exists for .22-250 it is with lightweight bullets unsuited to long-range shooting (the heaviest factory .22-250 I know of is 64gr and most is 55gr and down). This pretty much narrows it down to .308, 6.5CM, or 6mmCM for your use.

>>38842716
Turning cheap rings into good rings
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>>38843776
>Turning cheap rings into good rings
>>38843079
>yea
I would be ok if I did not do it though, correct?
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>>38846017
But you'd be better off if you did it, or as the other anon said get a monolithic set instead
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Best type of foregrip for a long range AR build?
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are tikka actions that much smoother than bergara.
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>>38846677

Nothing, but if you insist, a very small hand stop.
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>>38846677
a bipod.
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>>38815277
>anon doesn't know something
>haha you idiot you don't know the thing
>ur dumb and here's an excuse why I can't explain
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>600 yds longest range available
What should I get.
I have ideas but want fresh opinions.
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>>38847710

Really anything as far as calibers; even 5.56 will easily get to 600 with an 18+ inch barrel and 77 gr bullets.

You gave literally no budget to work with, so I'll assume first time shooter/entry level equipment.

The Ruger American with a Magpul stock is a great combo in 6.5 Creedmoor or 308 Win.

An SWFA straight 10x/14x/16x scope with MIL turrets in Vortex Viper 30mm low rings, and an EGW 20 MOA base will have you ballin' on a budget.
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>>38847750
I didn't really want to bring up price and arbitrarily limit myself.
I was considering either a howa .308 hbar, HMR 14 or building a 556 SPR
I don't particularly care for the stock options on the Howa, but I could live with one of them due to being 3/5 of the price of the Bergara.
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>>38847996
I take that back about the stocks actually
it has been a while since I checked bell and carlson's website, I was frustrated they didn't make a m40 stock for the weatherby/howa actions, but it seems they must have started making them for the howa's in the past 8 months or so.
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Why are 40 or 50moa mounts not more common? No one ever needs to dial down... I'm wasting like 40moa of adjustment on the top end for nothing...
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>>38842569
A $3000 budget for gun and optics combined or each? My LAR-8 plus optics (SWFA SS fixed 16x) was closer to $4000...fuck, 4 years ago. If you want precision you’ll spend a bit more than your budget. Not sayin you can’t get a rifle going for that much but it won’t be within what I consider acceptable for first shot hits at any real range. I’ll be building 100% custom down the road to get the groupings in the ammos id like and I shoot .308. 6.5 is doable but belongs in bolt guns, not stacked in 20+ round magazines eating barrels 3x as fast in a gas gun.
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>>38837870
>>38837907
>>38837929
>>38837946
Turned out pleasing to the eye. I know you've mentioned it before but what caliber?
>>38823230
It's one of the nicer rifles people have in these threads. Maybe consider putting in an extra swivel for a Harris? I started out forcing myself to shoot off my pack, viewing the bipod as a unnecessary luxury to weigh my rifle down until I started shooting off one with a rear bag. Even with practice it took me longer to get a solid rest for longer shots off a backpack and your positions will be more limited. Not that you cant make a backpack work but I now view a bipod+rear bag (without rear bag it's shit) as being necessary for the type of hunting and varminting Im doing. I like your rifle though, be proud of it m8.
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>>38848757
Thanks, I probably will add another stud in for a bipod at some point but I've got a front rest when I want to shoot supported so it's not an immediate necessity. You're right about read bags though, they're great.

When I was still inna military and on the range with the sniper platoon guys they all had their own rear bags made up how they like them. I just stuffed old tumber media, coconut husk or whatever, into the leg of some scrap jeans and sewed it up but those guys sewed things into the shape they wanted and everything.
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>>38848692
You can easily hit steel, on first shot after a good zero, out to 1000, with a 2k ar-10 and some mediocre glass. Now we are not talking MOA. We are talking man sized targets.
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>>38846041
>monolithic set
So what is that?
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>>38850771
They're set up like an AR mount except don't have the cantilever.
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>>38849687
It’s not first shot hits if you are doing a zero step before hand. That being said, my rifle is guaranteed MoA but I want better. I also want first shot hits on heads not torsos. Because if you can reliably hit a target the size of a mans head at 1000, you’ll never miss a torso shot or a game vital spot
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So I know you guys mostly do bolts in here. However I was wondering for a SPR type build what would you guys recommend for optics. I'm currently looking at a Leupold 3-9x40 VX-R Patrol TMR with Mil adjustments. Anything else? Would prefer to keep a Milling reticle and not a BDC type one.
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>>38851534
A 2-10x or 3-15x seems to do me pretty well for my idea of an SPR. I'm currently using a Vortex Razor HD LH 3-15x42 on my SPR, has worked quite well on everything from steel silhouettes to prairie dogs to deer.
>does have a pretty basic-bitch reticle tho
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>>38850771
Essentially just one set of rings connected by a plate, as opposed to 2 separate rings
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Why isn't the H-S precision HTR more popular?
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>>38852293
No long range gun is popular aside from a few budget rifles anon. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them, they're just expensive. Also, that looks a lot like the McMillan tac rifles.
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Out of curiosity, what is the boomer to zoomer ratio in these threads?
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>>38853058
21 here. What am I?
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>>38853117
Zoomer, as am I at 23
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>>38853058
Seems like everyone that knows what they're talking about is older, but fuck you for trying to classify anybody born after the 60's as a boomer and completely ignoring Gen X.
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>>38853168
>t. 30y/o boomer
Join us
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>>38853304
>30y/o
Not even close
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So I've ordered a Stag 10 and I'm planning to put a 2-10 scope of some kind on it. Is that enough magnification to justify putting a magpul PRS on it? Are there any other recommendations for a stock?
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>>38805588
pls dont die
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Bump.
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>>38841197
Why fuck up grips to make up for MDT's idiotic design? There's no engineering reason it shouldn't support beavertails, it's just stylistic machining blocking the beavertails from fitting. Not to mention MDT advertises it as compatible with all ar15 grips, but doesn't mention you have to make modifications. You didn't address the lack of an endplate or the weight either.
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>>38851534

Mine is a Leupold Mark 4 3.5-10x40.
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>>38855224
How often do you use the illumination?
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>>38855224
whats that riser jobbo made from?
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>>38856341
It's made from unicorn cum and diamond-studded uranium, judging by what PWS wants for one and how much it weighs.
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>>38848757

>I know you've mentioned it before but what caliber?

308, but I'm tossing around the idea of re-barreling it to 6.5 Creedmoor. The Mossberg MVPs use Savage barrels and barrel nuts, so it's really easy.

I just can't decide it's a better idea to have 6.5 CM bolt action or automatic. The caliber was pretty much MADE for the AR-10, but the bolt action is still more accurate.
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>>38855685

Typically when it's raining and I'm shooting black targets.

>>38856341

It's like a soft rubber. It's made by God'A'Grip.
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>>38842500
I had a 20MOA rail and ran out of elevation at 1300 with my first gen PST, then bought a 40MOA EGW rail and would then run out at 1600 so yeah... fuck optics...
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>>38856656
I don't know if you do or not, but if you reload then 6.5x47 Lapua is very similar to 6.5CM but offers slightly better performance and brass life in a boltgun.
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>>38856753

Will it load into an AR-10 magazine? The MVP feeds from them, and that's the whole reason I got it.
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>>38856767
It will, but has issues in gas guns due to operating pressure when loaded to its full potential (there's a reason 99% of 6.5Lap boltguns have a firing pin bushing). Also being slightly longer brass you're limited on bullet selection compared to the 6.5CM, it was designed around the Sako and AI mags, not AR10 mags (which are considerably shorter). I think you can load everything but the 147 ELD-M to AR mag length. It was designed with the 139 Scenar in mind.
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>>38856811

Interesting. I'll keep it in mind, but I'm sure 6.5CM barrels will be much more available and cheaper too.

First I have to decide if I want to re-barrel the AR or bolt action though.

Unrelated: The SWFA glass on that bolt action is great. That optic is a real gem. Too bad the reticle is stupid.
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>>38856883
yeah if you're looking at rebarreling the MVP then 6.5CM is a better choice. Suppose I should've followed the reply chain a little further up, thought you were in the market for a whole new gun.
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>>38856631
It was $25...
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>>38856901
ah so it's not the factory Mk12 riser that PRI sold, sorry.
>$178 for just the riser and another $345 for the handguard
https://www.precisionreflex.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1293587&CAT=9389
>the two combined weigh 1.82lbs/29oz

>>38856631
PRI, not PWS, sorry
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>>38856883
which one did you get? I like the mil-quad...
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>>38856952
>https://www.precisionreflex.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1293587&CAT=9389
I was taking about the cheek riser
>>38856901
where to cop?
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>>38857024

The Milquad. I'd rather have gotten the standard mildot desu, but I got the optic for dirt cheap so I can't complain.
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>>38851557
>Razor HD LH 3-15x42
Good to know.
>>38856750
>Typically when it's raining and I'm shooting black targets.
Right on.
>>38857049
What do you not like about the Mil-Quad?
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I can't believe I spent close to $4k on LR rifle build... At least I don't play golf.
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>>38857049
The milquad really needs to be used at 300+ to be appreciated... The reticle is very fine which sucks at 100 (only experience is with the 16x) but is great at 800+... The eye box and low light on mine is pretty garbage and washes out quickly.
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Why te fuck are all the illuminated reticles so fucking expensive. All of the Vortex line with them are $800+ the base ones.
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>>38853058
Get your unfunny newfag memes out of here.
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>>38839277
how's KRG stuff? Namely the Bravo? I kind of like the more traditional look
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>>38857679
At least it's something you'll get to keep. It's better than spending it on alcohol and cigarettes.
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>>38860354
Bravo is very nice. Good buy
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what $2000ish 5-25 scope to buy?

leupold mark 5
kahles k624i
vortex razor amg
nightforce atacr
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>>38855224
>>38856750
Does that bipod swivel?
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>>38861789
Yes, hence the Pod Loc.
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>>38861713
>how much experience do you have in 500m+ shooting?
>what do you intend to use it for (exactly, not "hurr LR shooting"--is it gonna be steel, groups, silhouettes, tactiLARPing, duty gun, hunting?)
>how much does weight matter to you?
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>>38861873
total noob, im probably just a fool with money soon to be partrd

but will probably just plink steel at 1000 yard range and shoot groups

i know i will just be better served with swfa 12x i have currently, but buy once cry once?? should i just get swfa hd 5-20 because i probably won’t know what to do with xmas tree reticles or zero stops. im probably retarded thinking about spending shiny gadgets without any skill
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>>38856811
If I can load 147gr elds in a 6.5 creedmoor to mag length, then the lapua would only be easier.

AI says max COAL is 2.85"
magpul says 2.83" on their SR25 pattern mags
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>>38863247
You have to seat them deeper in the Creedmoor despite the slightly shorter overall brass length, because the Lapua has the longer neck (7.7mm vs 6.9mm). It can be done (since the differences are extremely minor) but would require seating deeper than what usually gives good accuracy.

>Magpul says 2.83" on their SR25 pattern mags
Magpul fucking lies, I have 2 of them and both measure 2.811 from front to back and you usually need at least a couple thousandths for proper feeding.
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>>38863363
Ive loaded up 100 of the 147 eld
Shot maybe 20 of them. Getting .6-.7 moa with no load development in a barrel that will do sub half moa doesnt mean much for my gun.
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Another grouping with my $200 gun set up. I think with a little more practice I can get it to straight 1 MOA
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>>38861713
all of those scopes have great tracking, minimal CA, and decent reticle choices. You should increase your budget by $500, look at reticles, and go take a class with the gear you have. You will finish the class with a better idea of what you need.
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>90's contract SWFA 10x were used on Navy M40's
>Bell and Carlson makes m40 stocks
>Howa actions are all forged and are cheap
Now I can larp like it's 1993

>I WAS CAUGHT
>IN THE MIDDLE OF A RAILROAD TRACK
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Has anyone used the 'Trade Towards' option on Sample list?
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>>38864229
Almost every time I buy from them, yeah. It's a great way of getting rid of shit-tier or damaged scopes you couldn't sell to anybody else.

No, they're not gonna give you shit for them, but better than throwing them in your trash can.
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>>38861713
Also Athlon Cronus series
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>>38864332
How does the process work? It seems from reading it that you grade the optic you have then have to send it to them? Then what happens?
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Leupold 3-9x40 VX-R Patrol
Is this a good optic?
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>>38864808
Pretty solid budget option. Good clarity. Nice adjustments. Friend of a friend has two. Can be found brand new on Ebay for $388. I regret spending $500 on my Trijicon 3-9x40mm Accupower when I should have gotten the 3-9x40mm VXR Patrol instead. I wish that Leupold would release a 1-6x VXR patrol, as well as a 2.5-10x or a 4-16x VXR Patrol.
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>>38864068

A Howa 1500 Targetmaster in a B&C stock is a hell of a shooter. I regret getting rid of mine still.
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>>38865968
I was looking at savages and bergara's for a long time, but I found out they started making M40 stocks for the Howa's so I ended up getting a HBAR from brownells for $230 shipped.
I am left handed so I didn't want any monte carlo stocks, and I didn't care for the super wide forends or pistol grip style stocks of other B&C offerings.




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