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"The forward assist was a mistake"
t. AR expert
https://youtu.be/NYar4Zf8jH8?t=1037
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>>39125532
i like chris bartocci.
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Bump for interesting historic content.
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>>39125532
bartocci is a retard and colt fanboy.
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>>39125532
Unless you're running a DI gun with a can, you will never need to use the forward assist.
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Isnt the rationale for owning a gun besides "because i can, fuck you" is that its better to have one and not need it, than need one and not have it?

Does a useless FA being on your gun trigger you that much?
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>>39128028
The FA is there because of army bureaucracy, even Eugene Stoner thought it was unnecessary.
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>>39128028
This. Why the fuck would you not want it?

Do you idiots even know why they added it to begin with? Plus it looks kinda cool to me anyways imo.
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>>39125532
This guy also said the rear tabs welded on the Sp5k receiver were to block retractable stocks. which in reality it's to stabilize the fucking gun. This guy is an idiot.
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>>39128041
>Do you idiots even know why they added it to begin with?

To appease army leadership.
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>>39128052
Nice bait post.
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whats with the FA obsession?
just get an upper without one or dont use it
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>>39128028
>>39128041
Causes malfs if you catch it while shooting around a barrier.
Its a shitty concept.
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>>39128067
>why do people argue about things on the internet
He's right guys, shut it down.
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>>39128143
its like the millionth FA thread and its always the same
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>>39128175
FA is kind of an asshole
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>>39128067
It's guaranteed (you)s. They don't even bother to switch up the OP image anymore.
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>>39128175
How many 9mm vs 45acp threads have there been? And how many more will there be? (Hint:infinite)
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>>39125532
>assravaged /arg/ tripfag subhumans inbound
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>>39128061
>facts I don't like are bait
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I think the true question is: Why are uppers without forward assists considered Gucci with a +50% markup?

Shouldn't they be cheap due to reduced materials?
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>be me
>playing at range with unit
>receive command from tower to lock and load
>hear odd sound when BCG slams forward
>play it safe and check it out
>let my Safety know I cant fire yet
>take closer look
>BCG isn't fully seated
>cycle rounds to see what's happening
>jacked up mag kept clipping the bolt carrier, preventing it from seating properly
>swap to second mag
>same deal
>swap to third mag
>its good
>instead of waiting anymore time, opt to use the FA on every shot with the two bad mags

I dont know why /k/ keeps telling me it useless. I mean, sure I could have removed myself and get new mags, but I was on the second firing line that day. It was a scorcher, al.ost hitting triple digits and I just wanted to fuck right off back to the barracks.
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>>39128014
>running
Git out
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>>39128392
>It has use. in very specific, rare, and unimportant circumstances
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>>39128433

>hurr durrr its barely useful, lets go out of our way to remove it despite literally zero drawbacks to just leaving it there

t. Brainlet

My appendix is fucking useless too, but Im not gonna waste time and money getting rid of it unless its causing trouble, dipshit.
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>>39125532
The morbidly obese neckbeard ginger is my favorite ebegger great thread op
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>>39128476
Go remove your FA right now
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>>39128028
Yes, because it gets in the way of the charging handle, and can cause damage to the gun if it manages to be depressed while firing. Theirs no reason to have one.
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>>39128330
Are they? I got mine for like $80
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>>39128476
It makes using the charging handle harder.
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>>39128486
Your dick gets a lot less use than my FA and you haven’t removed that yet
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>>39128041
>Why the fuck would you not want it?
Because it adds mass, creates oppurtunity for malfunctions and it adds another ingress point for dirt to enter.
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>>39128510
Jokes on you I'm in a wheelchair with my lower body missing due to mortar fire
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>>39128330
got my Anderson for $50 bucks w keyhole marking
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>how will forward assistfags EVER recover?!
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>>391283301
1 cent in less material costs does not make up for needing to have a separate line for forging and tooling to make something that is a niche item
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>>39128540
Thank you for your cervix
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>>39128014
>he doesn't perform S.P.O.R.T.S.
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>>39128050
He knows absolutely fuckall about anything that didn't go on at Colt.
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Just make the switch
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>>39128511
>adds mass
Add mass to your arms and 2.1 oz won't hurt you

>opportunity for malfunction
Please find me just one story where the forward assist broke and made the gun inoperable

>ingress for dirt
Without it dirt got it and stopped bolt from going completely into battery so they ADDED THIS FEATURE

I thought summer was over?
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>>39128061
It's the same reason rifles had magazine disconnects for decades.

>>39128188
Those stopped a while ago, we're all about .40 shitposting now.
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>>39130869
>It's the same reason rifles had magazine disconnects for decades.
???

Do you mean pistols? I can't think of many rifles that had magazine disconnect safeties. Unless you're talking about the mechanisms that disabled feeding from a magazine in early repeating rifles.
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>>39128495
>>39128082
A rotating lock held in place with a ball bearing pressed against an indent with a spring would be helpful then.
If you know what I mean, outwardly it appears no different, but if you (ever) use it, you rotate it and then smash, rather than just smash and fuck your gun because you touched it while it was firing.
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gay thread
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The FA trials objectively proved that it was able to fully seat the bolt especially during mud tests as well as cold weather tests. They even kept it depressed while firing and the FA just returned to its resting position without issue. It was a definitive product improvement to the M16 and its ongoing issues at the time of A1 development.

Chris Bartocci has an interesting take on this. Specifically he just makes up an M16 test that never happened that "proved" using the FA was bad. I sent him an email and he never replied to me.

Here is short and sweet of the FA trial during the pre-A1 PIP testing.
1/5
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>>39132817
Whoops 1/5
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>>39132826
2/5
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>>39132835
3/5
Sorry just to clear up this one. They tested two other charging handle forward assist devices as well as the current plunger type or plunger device listed as "PD" in this document.
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>>39132843
Here's the real icing on the cake. During the mud test on 70 occasions the bolt failed to close the FA was able to close the bolt each time even when being whacked with a block of wood. If there was ever a time "ur just going to make it worse or have something bad happen" argument would be correct, this would be it, but the gun didn't explode or anything silly it worked fine.
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>>39132855
Here's another vindication. Thumb pressure during cold weather was not enough sometimes, however the FA was successful every time.
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>No forward assist
>Now there is no way to lock gun into battery

It seems like the forward assist is the big thing for retards to bemoan. I haven’t ever ever seen the FA do anything negative to the weapon and had it come in handy. It doesn’t even weigh an ounce and the so called experts that bitch about it haven’t served a day in the military like the in range clowns.
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>>39128178
What’s wrong with fur affinity?
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>>39125532
I find it to be a great way to instantly trigger the fuck out of a few loud spergs here.
Just seeing the the exact same replies every time by them is hilarious.
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>>39132901
>I haven’t ever ever seen the FA do anything negative to the weapon
https://youtu.be/Oh1lyMyejpI?t=57s
[skip to the 55 seconds mark]
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>>39133087
I don't think you know how guns work babe.
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>>39132901
Thank you for your cervix. Please do go on about how your experience in the military gave you insight into optimal weapon design.
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>>39128506
maybe if you have ogre fingers
Instead of spending money on a FA-less receiver why not just buy a charging handle with an extra long lever?
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>>39133119
A failure to fire turned catastrophic after using the FA as advertised, knuff ced
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>>39133254
So you still don't actually know how they work even after googling.
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>>39128330
Same reason it costs a penny to buy one resistor, and 30 cents to buy a thousand. And if you need a custom, non-standard resistance, it'll cost you 50 cents for one.
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Arfcom had this same thread a few months ago and this thread is a 100% facsimile.
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>people actually defending the forward assist

1.) It was only added to the guns because the military, the same geniuses who came up with abortions like the government profile barrel and 1911 grip safety, demanded it. Stoner himself was against it.

2.) Neither KAC or LMT have forward assists on their guns, and neither company's products are worse off for it.

You do not need a forward assist on an AR-15 that isn't an unusable out-of-spec poverty-tier garbage rod like an Anderson or PSA.
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>>39132891
>>39132855
>>39132843
>>39132835
>>39132826
Lmao gonna post this whenever this bullshit thread topic rears its head
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>>39133087
>Using handloads from some guy named Brian
>Pewpewpewpewclick
>last boolet has cleared gas port and gas has cycled the action and loaded new round
>click
>Hand cycles through a few duds, doesn't even feed a couple times.
>Everything is mechanically fine fo sho, no need to check.
>Finally picks up another high quality handload with all the proper dimensions and charge amounts.
>glock noises
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Didnt you guiz know that using an AR without the forward assist makes you a super leet operator?!? Dumbasses!
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>>39133152
Thanks for posting an image of yourself. Good thing you only get your opinions from others on the internet and not personal experiences.
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>>39133492
>gun fails to battery
>can’t cam the bolt forward without the assist

If it was such a waste the military wouldn’t keep buying it. It is a handy feature I would rather have, then needing to clear the weapon out on a fail to battery.
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>>39133087
The forward assist didn’t cause that you idiot
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>>39133152
>I hate military people while larping as them with my AR
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>>39133087
Yeah if you think a FA caused that you are actually a retarded person
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>>39133087
If you think the FA caused that you should forget everything you think you know about firearms, it's wrong.
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>>39128028
The rationale for owning a gun is that I might need it, but if I never do, it was vetter to have it.

If I'll DEFINITELY never need it, why would I have it?
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>>39133492
You'd think if it was useless the military would have ditched it by now, but 50 years later they still pay out for that extra machining and parts for it on the order of millions.
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>>39133152
That brainlet image really fits you well.
>Military man use it? Dummy! Youtube man say it no am good and youtube man have thumbs ups to proofs it!
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>>39133492
You'd think if it was useless the military would have ditched it by now, but 50 years later they still pay out for that extra machining and parts for it to the tune of millions per batch.
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I thought the main argument against the FA was in the case of a.round being chambered and the gun being muddy and not going into battery.

But has anyone ever really used their FA. "Silently" closing the bolt doesn't count.
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>>39134109
A lot on long range days with dirty guns. M855A1 is a pretty dirty round.
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>>39133900
>>39133921
Do you know how difficult it is to get the military to agree to any changes to a procurement contract? The reason new production Beretta M9s (but not the M9A1) are still being made with the straight dust covers and Gen 1 locking blocks and US military M4 Carbines are still being produced with a carbine length gas system is because the military refused to okay any changes from the manufacturers despite the fact that these changes are objective improvements and would cost the government nothing.
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>>39125532
Oh damn. I thought he got banned forever.
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>>39134775
>Implying the US bought new M9s in the last 10 years
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>>39134799
They in fact did, if you believe Langdon. He said a few months ago that much of Beretta's production capacity was tied up with making new M9s for the military.
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>>39134109
>in the case of a.round being chambered and the gun being muddy and not going into battery

Won't this just push the mud into the locking surfaces and possibly cause your gun to fire out of battery?
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>>39125532
>weapons platform
>earsplitting lipsmack
>operating
>breathes through mouth
>issued to units
>gurgling death rattle
>during my time at hk
>begins talking before finishing swallowing
Ugh I love his info but DUDE.
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>>39134828
>if you believe Langdon

I don’t
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>>39125532
>The forward assist was a mistake
Yes
>t. AR expert
Bartocci is a dumbass
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>>39134775
You are fake news, new FN M4s have ambidextrous safeties, better H2 buffers and cone with M68s and RIS handguards pre installed. The US Army, Navy and Air Force did not buy new handguns and thus did not receive M9A1s, unlike the US Marines, who did back in 2010.
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>>39132901
The buffer spring should always rotate the bolt into battery. If it can't for some reason, then there is a problem and you should fix it before ever pulling the trigger.

>I haven’t ever ever seen the FA do anything negative to the weapon
Because it's pointless. Why don't they machine a bottle opener into the receiver while you're at it? It doesn't do anything negative.

>and had it come in handy.
Doubtful.
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>>39136571
>Implying a dirty M4 doesn’t fail to battery
>Implying you can just turn your gun in for maintenance in a prolonged engagement
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>>39132901
>forcing a gun into battery that doesn't return to battery on its own

great way to blow yourself up.
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>>39134180
It's dirty, inaccurate, overpressure, wears out guns.

It's so overpressure they had to stake the primers to stop them from blowing out regularly during trials.
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>>39136668
>>39136571
see
>>39132855
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>>39125532
Fuck you, it looks cool.
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>not chambering a round by yanking on the forward assist
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>>39136571
>The buffer spring should always rotate the bolt into battery. If it can't for some reason, then there is a problem

It’s called carbon fouling you brainlet and military guys don’t have a spare M4 for when their primary gets to dirty.

>>39136668
You have no idea how a gun works
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>>39133492
>Neither KAC or LMT have forward assists on their guns
?????

Are you for fucking real with this statement?
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>>39136669
>dirty
Like, Wolf grade dirty.
>inaccurate
No.
>high pressure
Oh yeah, we need to adopt a piston gun so we can tune the guns so they don't beat themselves to death
>exposed penetrator
Who thought this was a good idea?
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>>39132936
Fuck. Was waiting all thread to make that joke.
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>>39136823

It doesn't. Flat upper looks suave.
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>>39128495
>>39128506
How could the forward assist possibly obstruct the charging handle? I'd like pictures if possible.
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In the US specifically, are there regions where the M16 would be inefficient just like in the jungles of 'nam?
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>>39129876
I'm not worried about my arms
I'm worried about my knees
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>>39133492
>1911 grip safety
there's nothing wrong with the grip safety
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I wush my AUG had a forward assist. Having to rack the bolt and eject a round because the bolt was lightly carried home instead of released is annoying.
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>>39128330
Mine was $80 from Aero. Paired it with a $40 PSA lower.
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>>39138760
Cant smack it?
I tried shooting steel in an M14 once and it had issues overcoming the extra friction to strip the first round out of the mag, bolt would stick once the cartridge got about half way. I just smacked the charging handle with my palm and it slammed home.
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>>39138876
Now that you mention that, my forward assist comes in real handy when I shoot Wolf in my AR. Those bare steel cases love to cling to shit and occasionally need a bit of encouragement.
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>>39138876
No because the charging handle in non-reciprocating. Only way to fix it is to rack the bolt.
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>>39139226
Ahh damn. My bad Im unfamiliar with the AUG





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