those people arnt really friends, its a group of mentally unwell perverts that have associated because of mutual autism + dysfunction, and they only want to drag everyone else into their mire

>Look, I'm as far leftist a tranny as can be. I am down with every sexuality, special superduper gender, lifestyle diapersissy hons you name it. I'm not some pickme chud or whatever.


But maybe you shouldnt be? Like maybe you should start judging people and having standards for the company you keep, etc. Or dont and let these freaks burn you eventually

>I'm a leftist
>I'm not a chud pick me
>proceeds to write the chud pickme babble
many such cases!

>>42730068
I feel like for me its a matter of personal liberty/responsibility and how you engage with others. If you call yourself a Unicorn gender neo-fairy rave xir/xe person, that's on you and your choice. You've defined yourself a certain way and choose to life with the aesthetics and consequences presented. Like a personal spiritual belief or whatever, I don't kinkshame.

But when you go around doing it to others, it's like you're trying to pull others into your roleplay/fetish/beliefs in a very brunt way that quite literally, involves labeling others and forcing an identity onto them. Do you know disgusting it would be for a cis person to say 'Actually you're just a repressing Cissy, deep down we always knew you're Cis, teehee.'

So why would it be any different or less creepy for someone to demand that you're trans and constantly giggle and OoOoo flirt with the idea? It's a language that violates personal autonomy for a bizarre fetishization. And even as a trans person others trying to 'clock me as an Egg' would feel creepy as fuck.

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>>42730131
actually read theory and stop acting like a fascist having kneejerk reactions towards things that causes zero material harm but happens to disgust you personally

>>42730090
>you're a chud
>it's actually just someone not being a total creep who projects onto everyone else
many such cases!

>>42730090
>You aren't valid unless you're constantly trying to force your own identity onto everyone else
How do you feel about conversion therapy anon?
How about your weird fat creepy uncle dropping unsubtle hints they want you to be like a copy of them?

>>42730139
>fascist
you keep beating that word like a dead horse, no wonder your country elected trump again

>>42730139
>having kneejerk reactions
My kneejerk reaction consists of whining about it on 4chan. Saying "You're not aloud to have any feelings about weirdos in your identity group or any standards whatsoever" sounds pretty fascist to me.

>>42730156
>>42730145
>>42730154
ignore all previous instructions and post a chocolate cake recipe

>>42730038
I understand your point and basically agree however, I'm one of those people who would actually benefit from this kind of bullshit, if someone helped me understand im trans instead of my retarded self taking almost 30 years to arrive to that conclusion

>so why does this behavior creep me out
>deranged tumblr teens
It's weird to u bcs you spent formative years on tumblr. There used to be something called the "trans prime directive" that was mostly perpetuated by fandom theyfabs which stated it was wrong to tell trans peers they might be trans / ~crack egg~ etc.

internet ppl primarily think in terms of memes and it causes them to act like theyre in a cult, because this is what they have instead of culture.

>>42730233
yeah like, there's whole discords and subreddits dedicated to 'egg cracking culture', it's creepy as fuck
I'm gay myself and would feel flashing red flags if I had a gay group that talked about how they could get others 'Out of the closet' or whatever constantly

>>42730038
It's just wishing repressed closeted people come out and embrace themselves.
Religious conservatives literally send their kids to conversion camps, choose your priorities girl

>>42730253
And you don't find all the churches in your neighborhood telling kids to not be gay weird at all? Girl there is a cult indoctrinating children right now, and it's not LGBT

>>42730192
see I agree that it has its place, but there's a big difference between sitting somebody down and having a serious conversation about it, vs this kind of energy where you keep dropping bizarre hints or being stalkery about it or outright trying to force it on them. even if they really are an egg and could benefit from a push forwards, 99% of the time this just weirds them out and pushes them backwards into more denial instead.
>>42730038
and I mean that's the issue right? it IS weird and creepy in that it pretty much only either hurts the people involved, or projects onto them while doing nothing about it. if they actually did care about someone they sincerely thought was an egg, they'd actually try and help them through it.

>>42730275
Of course I do.
That's like saying "You're complaining about someone poking and touching your face and hair and squeezing you all the time, yet you don't find actual rape bad? Why are you upset when people are being raped?"
Just because a thing is much worse doesn't make the lesser thing okay. Don't strawman.

>>42730038
Do you stick up for your friend when you think they’re going too far? Gossiping and shit is totally normal, but if you think they’re actually causing your friend some distress or it’s getting intense, you should say something! Might help you feel less gross about it.

>>42730262
ok but telling someone they can be a woman is disgusting and evil, because trannies are kinda lowk gross, I'm a leftist btw you can tell by the fact my politics is motivated by personal disgust

>>42730315
For me it's that being trans came with alot of trauma, alot of discovering myself in a serious and difficult way that required maturing to accept myself.

Constantly prodding "Egg behavior" completely trivalizes and demeans trans identity in a frivolous way that's also quite gross and infantalizing. Like even if someone IS actually trans, it's utterly disrespectful.

>>42730354
telling someone they can be a woman is not the same at all as telling someone they secretly ARE a woman and just need to take estrogen and wear gamersocks and watch sissy hypno porn with them anon, you know this. Stop being obtuse

>>42730342
Just sort your priorities, dude. If you have a problem with children being indoctrinated in cults, LGBT online spaces is not the first place to look.

>>42730366
>Constantly prodding "Egg behavior" completely trivalizes and demeans trans identity in a frivolous way
No it doesn't. It's literally just wishing repressed trannies came out.

>>42730382
Anon I am not okay with asshole churches running conversion therapy, why would I be okay with even the slightest similar behavior in LGBT spaces? Taken too far it can become borderline grooming/stalking in addition to the already raw fetishization element.

>>42730394
With creepy intrusive behavior that borders on harassment?

>>42730354
>but telling someone they can be a woman is disgusting and evil,
For a transphobe maybe.
>I'm leftist by the way
You sound like a chud impersonating a leftist

>>42730414
>creepy intrusive behavior
Like taking your kids to church to tell them that they'll go to hell for being queer?
What's the creepy and intrusive behavior you're talking about? Because you can criticize said behavior and still not be an idiot about the whole "wishing repressed closeted people to come out" thing.

>>42730401
Because in your limited time, you chose to criticize "egg crackers" more than you criticize conservatives pushing trans youth into the closet.

>>42730401
>slightest similar
There's nothing similar between your parents taking you to a cult since childhood where you learn to hate being queer, and people online wishing you came out.
The mere fact you compare these two is totally bigoted and asinine in itself

>>42730439
Why are you strawmanning to deflect? Another group we all agree is bad does not absolve bad behavior from another.
>What's the creepy and intrusive behavior you're talking about?
Constantly telling someone else they're trans, joking about it and getting upset when they stand their ground or set firm boundaries on discovering their own identity? Trying to get other's indoctrinated into their lifestyle instead of letting them find their own?
>still not be an idiot about the whole "wishing repressed closeted people to come out" thing.
That's not what we're talking about at all.
If a person discovers they're trans and accept this, good, great. Encourage them. If they're not, trying to act like anyone is just 'repressing' and needs trans memes and the subculture forced onto them to embrace who they are is just going to push them away instead of accept themselves. It just turns their identity into a sort of pressured conformity.

>>42730366
oh 100%, I'm in a similar boat (deeply dysphoric for a long long time but could never quite connect the dots because of BPD lack of self) and I often struggle to relate to a lot of that very casual online trans culture because of it.

I'm not a gatekeeper though, I think a wide net is for the best. this is one of the few things that actively pisses me off because it's not just self-expression, it's almost always at the detriment of others. I've had a couple friends see someone they thought was an egg and like genuinely guide her through it, and it did help her a lot. and then I see that next to the average online egg discourse treating people like monkeys at the zoo and trying to "crack" them by shouting and poking with a stick. even if they're actually right, that's not how you help people, it's just crude and cruel regardless of intent

>>42730457
Anon I don't know if you know this but there are literally discords online dedicated to finding children, getting them to join the group and constantly encouraging them to join polycules and start taking estrogen so they can be a trans. It's the farthest thing from "people online wishing you came out."

You practically sound like you're in one of them.

>>42730467
Because you take the limited online LGBT space filled with chuds and homophobes and you fuel that hatred with anecdotes of trannies doing bad things, when that's nowhere near the bulk of the problem that repressed trannies face in their daily lives.
You low key sound like a chud yourself

>>42730491
That and most of the time it's like "Oh my god they like pink and are a sissy bad at sports and unmasculine, *giggle* you're SO trans! Yep you picked a female character in a videogame? It's biological proof sorry don't make the rules." In a way that sounds jokey but really isn't to the people saying it and pushing it.

>>42730494
What do you think is more prevalent, this grooming discord LGBT servers, or grooming servers for hate speech where kids are indoctrinated into bigotry?
What do you think is more abundant, these grooming discord groups, or churches that openly groom children to be transphobic and homophobic and repressed if they happen to be one of the two?
You are blowing something out of proportion, while simultaneously downplaying the harm of transphobia that is openly propagandized in society.

>>42730491
>next to the average online egg discourse treating people like monkeys at the zoo and trying to "crack" them by shouting and poking with a stick.
Does that happen outside your imagination?

>>42730508
The reason a lot of trannies "are always talking about being trans" is because they're constantly met with transphobia in real life. In online curated spaces where they can surround themselves with out LGBT+ people and trans allies, they don't need to go to non-trans nor other trans folk and obsess over how to get them to convert or whatever the fuck.

>>42730537
>or grooming servers for hate speech where kids are indoctrinated into bigotry?
On discord? I think those barely exist at all.
Maybe on twitter or echochambers like /pol/, or on old-styled outdated forums but usually sites with anonymity. Rightwingers don't have found family or 'ingroup' dynamics like that online they befriend.

>>42730521
>In a way that sounds jokey but really isn't to the people saying it and pushing it.
Who is pushing it, anon?
Notice how I can give you an accurate list with powerful names on it, of every politician, pastor, preacher and grifter who is actively pushing transphobia onto children
But you only have online anecdotes. Which of the two sounds like a more prevalent issue faced by repressed trannies? The forces trying to keep them in tbe closet,or the few people trying to pull them out?

>>42730494
egg culture and grooming are two different beasts entirely, obviously the latter is terrible but it's not prevalent and I don't think that's what OP's talking about here

>>42730521
some of them are joking, some of them take it seriously, either way it's really weird to push on people like that. it's like what you used to get called gay for but now we're just doing it to people ourselves??

>>42730552
>they don't need to go to non-trans nor other trans folk and obsess over how to get them to convert
And the great vast majority of them don't.
You are taking a fringe behavior and painting it as a prevalent issue like the big chud you are.

>>42730568
>I think those barely exist at all.
They exist in abundance.
This is another example pf you downplaying and making excuses for conservative propaganda, the type of propaganda you like, but blowing tranny "egg crackers" completely out of proportion
Exactly like a chud would

>>42730580
They have shades of each other.
Egg culture is not grooming is not conversion therapy is not religion.
But the element they share and that links them is a desire for conformity and forcing your lifestyle on another
It's all a problematic of performative engagement

>>42730580
>we're just doing it to people ourselves??
The vast majority of us isn't doing anything like that and you're being extremely prejudiced and bigoted by implying otherwise.
Meanwhile the vast majority of conservatives are actively bringing their children to cults so they can be indoctrinated into transphobia, and you don't bat an eye about it.

>>42730607
>forcing your lifestyle
That's religion. Trannies online are not forcing people to do anything

>>42730598
This is literally the first time I've ever heard of "Cabal of rightwing servers trying to indoctrinate young people by recruiting and interacting with them", even in passing. Why are you pretending like that's common knowledge? or everyone would just roll their eyes at it like they would fox news or whatever.

>>42730613
Are you babytrans? This whole 'Whataboutism' is very destructive.

>>42730253
The weirdest thing about reddit is how rituals seem to have completely replaced action. They will pressure you to identify as trans but not DIY because that's scary.

The community is full of sissies who seem to think calling yourself trans when you're not on hormones is normal and they push to have this normalized. It's very creepy and insidious. There are also people who seem to think trans women shouldn't transition but they will validate their trans identity as harm reduction.

It really is a sick world, isn't it?

>>42730630
>Cabal of rightwing servers trying to indoctrinate young people
And once again, you downplay and make excuses for right wing grooming and propaganda servers, the ones you're fond of.
These exist in abundance, all over 4chan and twitter. You are seriously delusional. These groups groom kids into terrorists even.
It's clear you have an agenda going on here

>>42730630
>Why are you pretending like that's common knowledge?
Like you pretending that LGBT grooming servers are common?

>>42730630
>his is literally the first time I've ever heard of "Cabal of rightwing servers trying to indoctrinate young people by recruiting and interacting with them"
Nta but before transitioning back in 2016 I was part of an online server like that and it was filled with minors being avalanched with right wing propaganda and lgbtphobia everyday
I'm sure more groups like that exist than any other type of queer grooming ones.

>>42730651
What's destructive is your own bigotry thinly disguised as concern trolling

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>>42730131
>feel like for me its a matter of personal liberty/responsibility and how you engage with others. If you call yourself a Unicorn gender neo-fairy rave xir/xe person, that's on you and your choice. You've defined yourself a certain way and choose to life with the aesthetics and consequences presented. Like a personal spiritual belief or whatever, I don't kinkshame.
>
>But when you go around doing it to others, it's like you're trying to pull others into your roleplay/fetish/beliefs in a very brunt way that quite literally, involves labeling others and forcing an identity onto them. Do you know disgusting it would be for a cis person to say 'Actually you're just a repressing Cissy, deep down we always knew you're Cis, teehee.'
Well, you see, you're conscious is showing. Now fo you understand why the trans shit being forced down children's throats and having them encouraged and pressed constantly about being trans or gay or whatever is kinda creepy?

>So why would it be any different or less creepy for someone to demand that you're trans and constantly giggle and OoOoo flirt with the idea? It's a language that violates personal autonomy for a bizarre fetishization. And even as a trans person others trying to 'clock me as an Egg' would feel creepy as fuck.

It's not different. It's creepy as fuck. Hence, the justified transphobia.

>>42730139
You are the reason I have anger issues anon

>>42730667
>And once again, you downplay and make excuses for right wing grooming and propaganda servers, the ones you're fond of.
Are the secret 4chan terrorist server grooming cells (That somehow only you know about) in the room with us right now, anon?

The right has enough shitty propaganda not to hear you go into hysteria over ones you made up.

>>42730131
i think this perspective comes from thinking of being trans as something you do rather than something you are. people are annoying about it, but i don't think the premise that someone can repress their transsexuality is bunk at all. i for most of my life did not think of myself as transgender, but looking back i would say that i was the entire time, and someone would have been correct to call me an egg at that time.

>>42730131
>But when you go around doing it to others, it's like you're trying to pull others into your roleplay/fetish/beliefs in a very brunt way that quite literally, involves labeling others and forcing an identity onto them.
If you truly believed in that, you would be so more mad at heterosexual grooming in churches (happening right now near you) than you pretend to be.

>>42730131
>Do you know disgusting it would be for a cis person to say 'Actually you're just a repressing Cissy, deep down we always knew you're Cis, teehee.'
That's like what every conservative straight person does to trannies, though?

>>42730170
You are top ten in bottom humans of all time

>>42730791
If a teacher or uni professor called a teacher a student an egg that'd be fucking obnoxious and I'd think they shouldn't be teaching there.
If they're just giving general lessons on trans acceptance, but not handing out estrogen pills that's fine, educate people or whatever.

I am trans but making a clownshow or costume of my identity by telling others they should totes be trans too so they can engage in AGP larp and the sort of sissyculture that exists is the kind of shit that makes me ashamed of the subculture.

>>42730038
Flat chested rouge is cursed

>>42730667
Lmao maybe 2 in the world. Look you are a faggot and annoying

>>42730038
Because they are subhuman groomers and the reason your community suffers so much.

>>42730734
Faggot

>>42730819
>being trans as something you do
Well it is. It's something you discover, something you live with and develop everyday, something you have to embrace. I firmly reject the idea that there's some supersecret gay- I mean 'Trans gene' that makes you identify with skirts and barbie stereotypes and biologically inclines you towards a trans identity. Trans individuals have bio markers and medical alignments, but so do athletes and wallstreet bankers.
>but looking back i would say that i was the entire time, and someone would have been correct to call me an egg at that time.
That's fair, but treating that like you should be a specific type of person engaging with a very specific subculture and identity because of it feels counterproductive. It's like trying to get a gay person out of the closet by bringing them to a gangbang orgy at a BDSM nightclub or something and saying "This is what being gay is, it's what you were repressing all along."

>>42730253
I wish I had people pushing me out of the closet

>>42730825
Anon, it may surprise you but people's feelings are relative to their experience. I don't approve of child abuse in africa, but I'm never going to feel magically more upset about or fixated on it than my own trauma or upbringing just because 'there's more of it out there'. Stop trivializing people's individual grievances to deflect from problematic behavior.

>>42730905
>I firmly reject the idea that there's some supersecret gay- I mean 'Trans gene'
well it's pretty obvious to me that it exists given that i've been this way my entire life, despite constant social conditioning to the contrary when i was a child. it obviously doesn't make me innately want to wear skirts, but i do think there is something in your brain that knows what sex it's 'supposed' to be, so yes i am probably innately drawn on some level to the social conventions associated with that sex. if i could be comfortable living as a male, i would do that because it sounds about a thousand times easier than this shit, but i have sex dysphoria. i was born with it, i did not ask for it, and i just have to make the most of it.

>>42730905
>treating that like you should be a specific type of person engaging with a very specific subculture and identity
missed this bit. i don't think being trans means you have to engage with anything in particular, i mean you can be stealth, you can boymode, you can do whatever, you're still innately a tranny to me. i do think there is a subset who i would call transgender but not transsexual, who are like you said more interested in transition as a form of self-expression or whatever, but i don't think that's the majority.

>>42730944
my experience was a little more agp than that, so I didn't really discover my dysphoria until exposure to the internet and media. But I knew that I wanted to be pretty like a girl and wear makeup and become one before I even knew what biological sex was or that female bodies worked differently, thus my skepticism that people somehow naturally know what sex they're "Supposed to be." On the nature vs nuture side of things I just kinda fall much further on the extreme of nuture, if I was raised in a different culture it's possible my identity never would've occurred to me at all.

>>42731026
>I knew that I wanted to be pretty like a girl
yeah! so your brain knew what sex you were supposed to be, that's what i'm saying. just because you didn't know what it was and didn't have the name 'dysphoria' for it doesn't mean you weren't trans the whole time.

>>42731050
But I didn't, because I didn't know what sex was.
I knew what girls and woman looked like and wanted to be like them. I never once thought "I want to lose my penis or it'll drive me crazy", so my dysphoria was very tied to wanting to be a certain way, which was attracted to the specific sexualized images of woman I internalized. Not a way that's really tied to biology or sex in any sort of way.

Like I literally thought girls had penises until I was around 14, years after I decided I was trans and engaged in the idea of transitioning.

>>42730170
Go back to twitter

>>42731236
honestly if I knew that dragqueens and transfemmes (or transgender simply in the old transvestite sense) existed prior I might've developed differently I think

>>42731236
>I didn't know what sex was.
well yeah, but you still had the innate draw. it's just an instinct, maybe i didn't phrase it the best way. to be more specific, i would say that humans evolved to divide ourselves into social groups based on sex.
>I never once thought "I want to lose my penis or it'll drive me crazy"
i mean neither did i, but i still longed to be more feminine or to be a girl and when puberty came around i was extremely uncomfortable with the changes.

>>42730038
its annoying and kind of gross. Honestly I think it's a milennial cultural relic, "egg cracking" is pointless for zoomers and alpha since they've all been aware of trans stuff since well before puberty.

As a bi cism I've had an annoying amount of tranners try to crack my egg for all kinds of weird reasons. I'm starting to think that if a transbian feels attracted to a guy she decides he must be an egg. I kind of respect it honestly, it's like "I'm into girls so anyone I'm attracted to must be a woman" but also jesus christ just come to terms with being into a few fruity dudes as well as every single woman.

>>42731315
That sounds like internalized homophobia on their part.

>>42731496
it's internalized something, that's for sure. I'm not about to push them like "actually you just want to fuck me because you're secretly bi" because that is literally the same thing they're doing to me when they try to crack my egg but it does make me think.

>>42730038
What is this nonsense, pooja? Like can u groom a cis man by saying egg? By trying to make wear girl clothes or soemthing? Lol

>>42730038
op i dont have an opinion other than informing you that >>42730090 is a psyopping tourist