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>AGP questions and answers
>Thoughts and feelings / emotions
>Help, advice, guidance
>Be cozy and chill out

>What is AGP?
Autogynephilia, from Greek αὐτό- ("self"), γυνή ("woman") and φιλία ("love")
Broadly, arousal to the thought of being a woman. It can take many forms - being aroused at imagining or seeing yourself with a female body, dressing in clothes that make you appear feminine, acting in stereotypical "feminine" ways, or others.

>Isn't AGP just discredited pseudoscience?
No, AGP is a real phenomenon. Some people disagree with Blanchard's Typology, which included AGP, but that people experience AGP is indisputable.

>I'm AGP, does this mean I'm not trans?
No, you can be AGP and trans.

>Aren't you all just tranners in denial?
Many AGPs do have at least some dysphoria. Some people with AGP will go on to transition, while others are content with incorporating it into their sex life or simply the occasional indulgence. It varies greatly in intensity. If AGP consumes a lot of your mental energy or causes you lots of distress, it is probably worth asking more questions.

Last Thread >>8637013
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>>8683288
>dat OP image

wow you are so cruel
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I know alot of you (who are transitioning) are worried about passing and stuff.

But, has anyone actually kinda thought about what it would be like to not be able to pass as a boy anymore? Like, it just kinda hit me this morning, that i could pull this off and that i might not be able to be taken seriously anymore. Plus, the moment people start seeing you as a piece of ass, they cant really be truthful to you. Men will just listen to you if it means they get closer to fucking you. Its kinda scary.
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>be teenager me
>try to fap for the first time
>think about fucking a girl
>itsnotveryeffective.gif
>try again, this time thinking that I am some booth babe I saw in a gaming magazine
>diamonds
>cum for the first time
>try to fap later while looking at the pic of a vagina, but with no effect
>start to fap to gender bender hentai and sissy hypnosis
>eventually starts thinking about sucking dick
>be today me, 26
>virgin, never fapped to a vagina, only sissy hypno and gender bender hentai
>when fapping to the picture of a real woman, think about being her instead of fucking her
Yes, I posted this before on other board, but do I have AGP? I'm confused. I still like girls I would like to have a gf, but I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to have sex with her. Did those hypnos messed with my brain?
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>>8683321
I wish it was a problem for me.
>Men will just listen to you if it means they get closer to fucking you
Yeah thats how you make them your bitches and get everything you need. You didn't learn that in teen years?
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>>8683321
Not passing as a male doesn't mean that you're start going to look desirable
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>>8683325
yeah you are very AGP and you should quite porn for months regardless, it does mess with your brain an sexuality

does anyone have attraction to vagina especially? pussies are gross even for normie straight guys
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>>8683288
I dont wanna call myself AGP but you girls have some amazing fap material please post more of these kind of pictures.
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The fuck is this new "AGP" meme? How many acronyms do you mentally ill degenerates need to justify your insanity?
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Pic is literally me at the beach in my bikini
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>>8683438
>The fuck is this new "AGP" meme?
Autogynephilia. Basically, it's a mental illness where a man gets off from looking like a woman, but he doesn't cut off his dick.
>How many acronyms do you mentally ill degenerates need to justify your insanity?
You know how many variations of /t/ is out there that the trannies added the plus sign to lgbt because they added a lot of acronyms that it became lgbt+? It's infinite.
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>>8683347
Can I jack off without porn? Does that still mess me up?
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>>8683456
>Stupid name and trip
The rational thinking straight men of this general do not want that nonsense.
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>>8683456
ew ew ew ew ew ew ew
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>>8683456
I hope I don't end up this crazy
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>>8683650
>>8683690
>>8683746
Why the hate?
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>>8683954
they're jealous
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To cop or not to cop?
Do you think this kind of lacy top that goes around the back of your neck is flattering on transexuals?
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>>8683456
congrats on the passing and stuff
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>>8683954
ask in tripfag general
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>>8683456
Jesus fucking Christ. There are kids there you monster. Please kill yourself for the good of otthers
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>>8683977
>you will never have hips like these
Why live
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>>8684402
it's always interesting how trannies only post cropped, composed photos to imply they actually pass with their man body
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>>8684672
it was a reference to op you dork
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This is creepy.
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>>8684703
that women take photos of their bodies or that us AGPs like imagining we were them?
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>>8683288
Do you guys roleplay as a girl on the internet? I mean chat rooms, kik, stranger chats. I used to feel bad about lying but I gradually stopped caring. I find some fetish which excites me, and start flirting with guys, acting like whatever I chose, and telling them my story. A cheating wife, girl in incestuous relationship with her parents, a pervy babysitter, etc. It excites me so much I can do it whole day, edging (that's how i spend holidays if I'm alone).
Is this fucked up?
(fixed)
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>>8683325
You sound a lot like me but I'm honestly really hungry for pussy and I've fucked 3D girls. I watch a ton of trap and shemale camshows too, but I still mostly get off to gender bender H.

I think the love between two girls who used to be guys is the purest thing in the world.
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I'm so fucking tired of being like this. I can't take it. If I really feel like this because of sexual reasons and it won't ever get better then I'd rather just die.
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>>8685647
find something to do to occupy your mind - work, school, or just doing stuff outside
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>>8684767
I used to when I played WoW and Rift. But I eventually stopped.
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>>8683288

>tfw your AGP will never be fulfilled

It's an empty feeling.

>>8683321

It doesn't look likely in my case. So I don't think about it.

>>8683325

That's AGP. Nothing made you AGP, you just are.

>>8683338
>>8683340

These.

>>8683456

If you think you're comparable to the OP's picture, you need to get your eyes checked.

>>8683977

I'm thinking it won't look good on a broad-backed tranny.

>>8684767

Nope. There are people who actually look like girls, and that takes all the escapism away. They're women in real life and online, I can't even have space on the internet to myself.
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>>8686423
>empty
isn't fapping or cd'ing kinda real?

>made me agp
i think it's a combination of life experiences and how you react to them, and the choices you make that leads one to being agp
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>>8685647
you're on the right track, keep going!
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It's been almost a month since I fell for pharma jew. I ate last proggy pill today.
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>>8686499

>kinda real

Kinda real what? What do you mean?

>i think it's a combination of life experiences and how you react to them, and the choices you make that leads one to being agp

Maybe I did become AGP because of something that happened in the past. But I was going to be a tranny anyway from what I can remember.
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>>8686509
>keep going
is death the next step
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What gives, AGP? According to the logic of this meme I should be qt, but I barely pass irl and guys almost never hit on me. What do I have to do? How many of you do I have to kill in order to please Blanchard (pbuh)?

t. ugly HSTS
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>>8688030
>HSTS
>on /tttt/
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>>8683288
>OP pic

Am I the only one that isn't into huge boobs? Or hyperfemininity in general? Am I weird for thinking trannies with more androgynous characteristics are cuter?

I haven't fapped to an actual woman in a while, and when I do its usually closeups of PiV. The vast majority of what I fap to is, in descending order of occurence; yaoi, irl traps, irl gay and ftm.

Like, don't get me wrong, I'm very much into being feminine and being a bottom, which does involve self inserting into piv sometimes. But it seems like the vast majority of AGP I talk to are exclusively or primarily into AFAB people, but I'm not? The vast majority of conventionally attractive women don't even register to me. I don't immediately think "I'd like to fuck her".

I have a similar but inverse relationship with men. Most muscular guys do nothing for me and look like hairy slabs of beef. But then there are these delicate looking faggots who are long, narrow waisted, a bit broad shouldered, angular in the face without crossing into lantern jaw territory. And they're like, really fucking beautiful.

I'm definitely not trutrans, but I've never met another AGP with similar taste.
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>>8688030
the assumption is that HSTS are more feminized including their physical features AND that they transition early

if you have transitioned late you are AGP hon, sorry

>>8688093
>closeups of PiV
gross

> I don't immediately think "I'd like to fuck her".
I barely ever thought this, I dont know, Im attracted to girls and they turn me on but I dont want to fuck them in the "traditional" way
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>>8683288
>be Coast Guardsman
Get off the bow!
I'm triggered.
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just came to penis to vagina transformation porn
this has to stop
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You think those nipple covers help hide those poking nipples on hrt
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>>8689189

So you're one of the 13 trannies in the Coast Guard? One for each of the colonies. Are you worried about Trump saying he doesn't want trannies in the military? I was thinking about the Air Force, honestly.

>>8689544

Pro tip
It won't
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>>8690670
I'm not a tranny. And they should be separated immediately.
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>tfw you're glad for every little mildly feminine feature that you are able to have
If we maintain a reasonable perspective, things are going to work out just fine. We will make it.
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Is it true that anime causes AGP?
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>>8693589
Yes we are, futur is gonna be nice
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>being failure as a man
>not being tru-trans or agp enough for transitioning
>feel myself like pale fake of human obsessed by sexual and gender things
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What if AGP's are the real trans and all the rest just have Autoandrophobia?
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>>8699028
find something to do (work, gf/bf) to make you forget about being agp, gender
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>>8683288
cislesbian here. I am bothered that you used one of the images I posted in /clg/ to be the cover of your general....

Just had to drop that by.
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>>8683456
Hnng
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>>8699028
You should read pic related
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>>8699551
Pretty sure PoV pictures are posted pretty much everywhere on the agp generals, agp tier reddits, etc.

Try not to be too butthurt at some trannies using it, female PoV is the staple of AGPs.
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>>8699551
Was it because we didn't ask for it or because of the agp stuff ?
Either way it's pretty flattering for you but that's not a great thing to do to people, I agree
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>>8699551
nice try agp hon
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Ok so recently I've been imagining myself as a woman when I jerk off.

Also I realized that I kind of really hate being a male.

What does it mean
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>>8700314
It means you're a virgin who's been fapping too much to porn and 4chan is not helping you with your sexual confusion.

>>>/r9k/
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>be me
>19
>know im agp as fuck
>still feeling suicidal af about not being a girl for reasons outside of my agp
>it always shows up in waves after i go on no fap for a bit
>want to go to a local trans help center to see if i can get any help
>to afraid of being laughed off or told i dont belong there because of my agp
im not sure weather or not i should go or not and see if i can get some help with this.
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>>8700314
It means you're AGP.

>>8700400
>for reasons outside of my agp
What reasons?

If in doubt, don't tell them you're AGP. You can still see if they can help.
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>>8700464
>What reasons?
absolute hatred of my body for looking male and a dispare that ill forever be a man. main reason i say its not related to my agp was im on no fap atm so i know its probally not due to any eroticism.
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>>8700582
Those can still stem from AGP. AGP is more than just what you think about to fap.
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>>8700314
get yourself straight otherwise you're in for a crap life of bad choices
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>>8699551
Do you own the fucking picture?
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>>8686607
What? You quit hormones? Why?
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holy shit no wonder agps are so fucked up, they transition because they think being hot will get them a better life. You fucks are the reason why actual transsexuals who pass are seen as stereotypes akin to the shallow women who are only attracted to a wealthy man instead of the man himself. Either grow up or transition for real reasons.
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>>8700855
>you are the reason people see me for the shallow cunt i am
No
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>>8700867
I'm not even trans I'm a gay man trying to get /tttt/ out of here
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>>8700873
Pathetic and obnoxious. Yeah i can tell.
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>>8700880
Do I really need to make it more obvious? No wonder all the legit trannies left and now this is all /lgbt/ is fuck I can't even talk about how insane women are anymore

refer to these two posts since your self awareness is so shit.
>>8683321
>>8683338
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>>8700855
>actual transsexuals
>transition for real reasons
:^))))))
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>>8701006
Yes, like being too much of a flamer to fit in with normal men and wanting to date straight men
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>>8701006
this is the problem is being an anon literally read this
>>8700867
>>8700873
>>8700880
>>8700993
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What do you call a woman who gets arousal from imagining themselves as man?
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>>8701043
autoandrophilia
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so... i am unable to think of myself as trans, despite that i am basically constantly obsessed with the idea that my life would be better if i was a girl. it's rarely sexual, i can go into more detail if anyone cares, but there's probably not been a single day i haven't thought about it in one way or another for over a decade.

am i agp?
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>>8701842
Almost certainly but you need to go into more detail to tell for sure. Describe the sexual times too.
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>>8701848
it's different stuff on different days - a long time ago i used to think i might be trans (for a few years after i first read about the concept at age ~15) but then couldn't really seriously consider that anymore after a certain point

sometimes it's constructing elaborate nonsexual fantasies of being able to start my life over from an earlier point, or being isekai'd into some fictional universe, and incidentally randomly being turned into a girl, imagining how my life would go from that point on...

sometimes it's more boring mundane MRA-ish crap, like fixating on some specific dimension in which women are or seem to be treated better by society (with a side of "and I could openly talk about how I feel about this if only I were a woman", and tying into one of the above fantasies) (inb4 >>> /pol/, I know better than anyone how irrational and disproportionate my own bullshit is, I spent several days sad about the ways that men can be discriminated against for failing to register selective service, ways which will never materially affect me in any plausible future)

...I am not ready to discuss my personal sexual fantasies in any detail, even anonymously. I can list the genres of porn I read if you really think it'll help. but really my question was if it's possible to define someone as "agp" without the sexual dimension
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>>8701919
Yes I think I can safely say you're AGP from those fantasies and social concerns. I can't imagine any non-AGP having nonsexual fantasies like those and while anyone might have those social concerns, being emotionally invested in them the way you described even when they don't materially affect you is to be expected from AGPs.

The key thing about your sexual fantasies is whether you insert as a girl in some or all of them. I think that's highly likely considering what else you've said. Genres are relevant if it's extremely AGP stuff like TG captions or fiction.

Yes someone can be AGP without the sexual dimension. Asexual AGPs exist. Think of it asking if someone can be gay or straight without being sexual. Yes, they can still be romantically and aesthetically attracted to a certain sex. Similarly, AGP can be present even without being heavily involved in your sexual fantasies, although I would be surprised if it isn't.
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>>8701980
ok so wat do
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>>8702792
Pizzas
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>>8701980
In case you were wondering about porn genres the big one for me is mind control, then after that all the 100% stereotypical "oh of course an agp would" tsf/bodyswap/possession/skinsuit and the only real odd one out is timestop
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>>8690798

Good thing it would be illegal for the military to forcibly separate them since kicking them out for being transgender, which the military previously told them was OK, isn't equitable. And there's already a precedent set by the SCOTUS against this hypothetical separation for transgender members of the military. When the military tried to discharge a gay man for being gay decades ago, the SCOTUS said they couldn't because he had the approval of his superiors. And transgender soldiers already received approval from the former highest leaders of the military, not just their commanders; there's no way in hell they're getting forced out now.
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I don't know if I am AGP or not, I don't think I am because when I was 3 I wanted be a Spice Girl, but I just say I am now to save the hassle of all this stupid identity crap. Yes, I do get of dressing and acting the way I do. Yes, I will date people I find attractive whether they're a boy, girl or trans. I am who am, I don't care what label anyone puts on me. So radfems and insecure Nazi LARPers can call me AGP, say I'm not *really* trans or whatever all they want, I'll just say "OK, I'm AGP, now what?" Because it makes no difference they can't stop me. They have the power over you you give them.

I'm just to here to suck cocks, play video games, watch cartoons, maybe start a family and do astrophysics, I don't care about asinine legitimacy squabbles or identity.
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>>8702792
If I could answer that we wouldn't need /agpg/!

My advice is learn about transition and see if there's anything that suits you, whether it's limited HRT, presenting female some of the time, or more. Maybe find a girl who's accepting of crossdressing or however else you AGP, or consider a guy if you feel any meta-attraction. Keep exploring your AGP and integrate it into your life without making it something shameful or separated from who you normally are.

>>8703107
Then your AGP does have the sexual side! Mind control fits with the stereotypical AGP submissiveness. See how similar it is to possession and how well it goes with bodyswapping.
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>>8703255
Legitimacy squabbles do matter because they're used to make life harder for trans people, through gatekeeping, laws and social attitudes. The anti-trans people who use AGP as an attack and the trans people who deny AGP both hurt the cause of making life better for trans people, the first by their attacks and the second by defending trans people through lies. Both do have power to make our lives worse.

But ignoring the squabbles, AGP still matters because people like us need to know about it, otherwise they will make mistakes like thinking they aren't trans because they're AGP or that they shouldn't transition when really they'd be much happier if they did. Regardless of other people, knowing about AGP helps AGPs.

>I don't know if I am AGP or not, I don't think I am because when I was 3 I wanted be a Spice Girl,
AGP isn't purely sexual and can manifest before puberty and the sexual side of it. Three is exceptionally early but not impossible, just impressive. Good for you!

>I do get of dressing and acting the way I do.
Yes that's AGP.
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>>8700993
The first post is someone worried that they might not be viewed as respectable once hormone effects kick in and they start looking less of a man and more of a caricature of a woman. The other post is just somebody making a joke about it.

Did you take a retard test today? What are you trying to say you fucking idiot?
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>tfw hate your very low manly voice
>yfw had to shout loudly to my deaf parents
kill kill kill
being agp pseudo man is sucks reeeeee
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If I'm 100% straight (only into women) now, is there a chance of transitioning changing that (being able to be attracted to men) or would I definitely be a lesbian?
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>>8703703

It probably won't make you gay. Though your brain might switch to being gay if a man treats you like a girl and it turns you on.
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>>8703703
I don't get why being a lesbian is a problem
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>>8704179
All my best fantasies have a dominant man but I can't look at men like that irl
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>>8704230
>100% straight (only into women)
>best fantasies have a dominant man
100% straight
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>>8704753
whatever, you know what i meant. it's a simple question, do people who haven't had interest in men irl turn into >>8695817 or not?
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>>8705001
your simple question doesn't have a simple definitive answer
for how much I've read about it, if you were at least a bit bi you could become totally into men, but there are plenty of transbians too, so who knows how it will turn out for you

also even transbians can be in fact bi on a neurological level (that's pre HRT)
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>>8701043
/ftmg/
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>>8703703
>>8704230
>>8705001
Your interest in men is meta-attraction. How it grows isn't very well studied, but common sense says an AGP is more likely to turn bi/straight if she already feels like you than if she's fully transbian.
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>get on HRT
>anxiety lowers significantly
>AGP fades
>become more comfortable social
>dysphoria fades
>feeling fine being a man on estrogen
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>>8706138
thats what happened to me. I was extremely dysphoric with high anxiety. got on HRT and felt better, dysphoria went away. even felt like I could be ok as a man for the first time since I was a teenager. then tits were getting bigger and I wasnt out of the closet and it was getting really hard to hide. it started making really anxious so I just stopped taking HRT.

of course my dysphoria came back full force. ive been repressing again for the past year and I cant take it anymore. Im about to start the cycle all over again.

I feel like I need to go all the way this time but Im afraid I'll die of embarrassment as an unpassing mtf. agp is hell my friends
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>>8706216
I used to feel like a crazy fetishist getting a boner just by thinking about hormones and feminization

and now I feel like a drug addict needing to pop estrogen every day because it relives the stress and lets me feel joy again

transition is totally impossible and being a hon is death so I dont know what Im doing, Ill probably drop it too and get on some mind-numbing pills instead
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Reminder that AGP is nothing more than an ingrained mechanism of classical conditioning. An analogy would be a guy that whenever he though of himself as a woman or felt feminine, was given feel good drugs, and the opposite for when he thought of himself as masculine. Repeat this process for over 10 years and you have yourself a tranny (it doesn't work, however if an external person does it because you tend to shift the blame on them and not on yourself [the desire is more of an imposition])

Is there a way to combat this conditioning? We certainly can't stop it, but can we lower it's effects on our lives. My best bet would be to maybe use therapy to separate real life from sexuality, isolate the pleasure of AGP to only being sexual. That's kind of an idea, no clue what to do really.
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>>8706933
AGP is no more ingrained conditioning than being gay or straight is.
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Figured I should link this here:
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>>8707094
yeah but im saying the dysphoria/euphoria that comes from AGP is what is brought about from conditioning. Obviously AGP isn't curable and is too ingrained to be something one is conditioned to have. The dysphoria however comes from the AGP-conditioning.

An example is how a straight guy, aided by his attraction to women and the arousal at getting women to like him, will develop positive emotions around a certain aesthetic that attracts girls, and negative ones around one that repels them. In other words, his sexuality conditions him to enjoy things like lifting, dressing well, and being hygienic, whereas he will now resent the opposite. Hence we can see here that the production of a tranny has the same underlying mechanism of the production of your run of the mill chad: sexual pleasure.
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>>8706138
>>8706216
Do you think there's truth to the whole "some trans people are just AGP and trans people need hormones to function well" line of thought? The idea that hormones actually make people feel better directly instead of by proxy, through modifying their bodies to their liking, is scientifically unproven but there are countless anecdotes of exactly this happening. Most doctors think that this is just a placebo but it might be more than that. One very out there thought I've had is that people just don't function well if their brains are male-female intermediate (which trans brains are) and hormones help push them past the threshold to normative regions. This also explains why a lot of trans people outgrow dysphoria on their own: some brain sex differentiation occurs later in life, around adulthood, so it might be that they naturally slip into a normative male range.
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>>8707223
That makes sense. Some of the dysphoria is that but some of the euphoria is the inherent euphoria of fulfilling your orientation, the way a straight guy is euphoric about girls before being led into being a chad.

Why do you guess separating sexuality and AGP from real life would help?
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>>8707230
Not either of those anons. I don't believe that myself. Helping trans people by proxy isn't the same as a sugar pill placebo though. It's a real material improvement in their lives as they feminize.

>This also explains why a lot of trans people outgrow dysphoria on their own
Do they? For AGPs I thought it was the opposite, AGP often increased with age.
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>>8707257
I feel as if this is therapy since i'm making my replies up as I go along, but maybe it's like "I have to accept that I will live with sexual frustration or with a feeling that my sexuality is wrong, but that doesn't mean that in everyday life me being male is wrong" What I'm saying could be seen as obvious though, since I may be simply repeating the "just think of it as a fetish phrase." So basically accept sexual frustration as a part of your life and learn to enjoy your masculinity in other ways, and rationalize that the reason you hate it is because of a fetish and not because of anything wrong with being a guy.
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>>8707265
>Helping trans people by proxy isn't the same as a sugar pill placebo though. It's a real material improvement in their lives as they feminize.
I meant that the doctors attribute what many trans people describe as a near-immediate sense of relief upon taking hormones for a time period as short as two weeks to a placebo effect. Sorry if I was unclear.

>Do they? For AGPs I thought it was the opposite, AGP often increased with age.
Most underaged dysphorics desist by adulthood.
Most "MTFs" (though the term is inaccurate since they have yet to transition..) are AGP.
Ergo most AGPs (or at least those who seek to transition) desist.
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>>8707293
I take a kinda opposite view with the same aim of becoming comfortable. Instead of separating it, make it part of normal life. Dress as a girl casually when you can get away with it, even if that's just by yourself, not forcing yourself to act or present very masculine, basically getting in touch with your feminine/AGP side and making it a normal part of you all the time without letting it be all of you.

My logic is that then you'll be able to live as a guy with a feminine or androgynous streak, without feeling ashamed or it or feeling you have to be masculine or that you can't be masculine when it does feel ok.

>I feel as if this is therapy since i'm making my replies up as I go along
This general is good for that!
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>>8707293
>>8707300
Okay, but, like, why not just transition?
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Are we going to see a lot of detransition/regret stories in the next ~5-10 years?
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>>8707316
I think it'll be the other way around. More and more people will realize that they're not "just fetishists" and will transition as a result.
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>>8707265
sexual drive lessens as people get older
hons are crazy, so no rules apply to them

>>8707316
i thinks so b/c trans life is shit,
but most just quietly go back to being cis and disappear from trans associations
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>>8707526
>sexual drive lessens as people get older
But desistance typically occurs around the age of 20..
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>>8707230
Estrogen is antidepressant for one thing.
There are studies on women and low level of estrogen is linked with bad mood, anxiety and risk of psychological trauma.

Then perceived feminization of emotions and libido makes people happier. It's even hard to put into words, it feels like regaining your real personality that you've had way back but which got eroded during the years of T dominance and trying to repress and fit the social standards of manhood (being mangry all the time lol)

Contrary there are also enough examples of mtfs becoming more depressed and unhappy as result of hrt - might be side effect of AAs and curbing test entirely.

And generally transgenders have a lot of other psychological disorders that might need treatment, ADs and antianxiety meds could help too.
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>>8707296
>Most underaged dysphorics desist by adulthood.
>dysphorics
you mean gender confused autists and gays
dysphoria only kicks in full force after puberty and adolescent masculinization
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>>8707971
>estrogen calms the fear response
But women get startled easily desu
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>>8708094
depending on estrogen levels, lower estrogen on periods or menopause is linked to depression and distress
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>>8683288
Ok I'm going through a bit of a mental crisis right now, my whole life I have fapped to solely straight porn, lesbian porn and always wanted to fuck and ''dominate'' women. I can honestly say I have always been attracted to women. But recently I saw some thread that said ''you wake up like this, what do?'' and it was a picture of a pretty good looking girl, since then I can't stop thinking about how enjoyable it would be. Never in my life have have I felt like I wanted to be a woman or was unhappy with my body, I'm going crazy thinking I have become a tranny overnight. it's just a phase right guys?!
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>>8707971
>Estrogen is antidepressant for one thing.
Only in women though, right?
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>>8708001
Anon, do you know the difference between puberty and adulthood?
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>>8708250
Still not nearly as calm as men.
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>>8707300
That's also my view of it, I do like my AGP in a sexual way, but I also handle the unsexual part of it by wearing women clothing and being in touch with what (typically) interests women more like fashion, home decoration etc ( even though that might sound sexist, sorry for that )

>>8707305
What needs to be saw here is that agp is different from being trans, because you can be agp and prefer being a man
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>>8708771
I agree that AGP is different from being trans in the sense that just being AGP doesn't make you trans by itself but if you're sad and dysphoric all of the time that probably means you're trans..
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>>8683325
doesn't necessarily mean too much. I love me basically everything about pussy and dick. what they feel like, smell like, taste like... but the visuals for either one just turn me right the fuck off.
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>>8683325
i have literally never masturbated to the thought of fucking a woman
but yes that's still very much AGP by blanchardian standards.
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top meme
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>>8689632
l large bandaids helped me, but it hurts.
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>>8708445
I remember a non-dysphoric man who was taking birth control because he theorized it could be used as a pain killer, but instead got anti-depressant effects from it.

His wife asked if he wanted to be a woman because of it, and he said "no".
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>>8712580
Link?
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I have template question that was asked 9001 times.

Should i hit hrt if i just want a female face and more wide hips, and bigger butt? Can sterilization be avoided by some kind of hrt. Can i trust FaceApp on how will the final result look?
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How can we get accepted as a legitimate identity, right now the SJWs think we're Blanchardists and Blanchard thinks we're fetishists. Especially those of us who either prefer to stay as men or are too repressed to matter, do we try to make it a nonbinary thing?
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>>8713174
>right now the SJWs think we're Blanchardists
Protip: the SJWs think AGP is a side effect of being trans, not a cause, so they just think you're trans if you experience dysphoria. I tend to agree.
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>>8713174
You're trans, anon
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>Oh hi! I'm Jessica Fappit the adorable buttslut! I bet you'd never guess by looking at me, but I wasn't always a pretty little girl. That's right! I was made this way. [...] It all started so innocently! First I was just watching videos on the internet. Before I knew it I had a Mistress dressing me up as a girl and giving me hormones. Then, because that wasn't enough, I had a Daddy Dom teach me just how deep my little rabbit hole went...

So don't tell me you people are gonna end up like this.
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>>8708445
Im n-not a woman!
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>>8713375
t. a lady
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>>8712932

>Should i hit hrt if i just want a female face and more wide hips, and bigger butt?

Yes. You won't get them unless you're 16 or under and your family has the genes for those traits though.

>Can sterilization be avoided by some kind of hrt?

No. Store sperm if that matters to you.

>Can i trust FaceApp on how will the final result look?

Probably not. You will look younger, your skin softer, and your eyes larger. That's all that can be said universally. Some people will get more on top of that, but I can't say if you will be one of them.
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>>8712932
worth the side effects for you?
yes - bica, /femgen/ hrt guide for details
no

>>8713235
SJWs think transbians are predatory men invading women spaces ^)
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>>8713391
>SJWs think transbians are predatory men invading women spaces
No they don't. That's TERFs, which SJWs fight relentlessly.
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>>8713436
SJWs are manhating feminists by definition
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>>8714648
Most feminists hate TERFs.
Feminists are the ones chanting "transwomen are women" so their misandry, to the extent that it exists, doesn't extend to you :^)
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>>8708445
>Only in women though, right?

I dont know why that would be the case. Men and women honestly aren't all that different physiologically. We all have the same hormone receptors or HRT changes wouldn't even be possible.
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>>8714822
Well, I know that in men having low testosterone can lead to mood problems but I don't think taking T would make women happier. It'd make sense if E mirrored this.
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>>8708445
Serotonin is serotonin. Men and women both have varying levels of estrogen and there's some evidence to believe estrogen has implicit role in mood and memory formation. Too much and too little estrogen can trigger depression in men.
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>>8714660
>to the extent that it exists
:^)
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>>8707316
>Are we going to see a lot of detransition/regret stories in the next ~5-10 years?

Yes but they'll mainly be FtMs because
1) biological women believe becoming a man will make their lives easier
2) detransitioned women are way more obnoxious and political than men
3) there are a ton of fujos who want to be a smol yaoi boi and get their boipuccis rekt but dont want to turn into hairy gorillas due to T and will desist when they realize they can't have it both ways (whereas MtFs are mostly fine with HRT and don't want to be overly androgynous women).
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>tfw torn because I'm really attracted to femboys and like being a femboy but also feel stuck in the 'femboy ghetto' knowing i'm genetically ill suited to transitioning without the help of ffs

Basically autofemboyphile but also feel like I want to go further but can't because not feminine enough :/
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>>8706216
YES SOMEONE POSTED THE GIF I FOUND YESS YESS YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

Fun fact: The gif was found an extremely outdated Christian website and was made by the site's owner and maker (I think) who was also learning animation.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING IT

here's another one made by the same guy
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>>8714846
Yet another case of these trendy tumblr kids RUINING EVERYTHING again

AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Do you guys ever have those high adrenaline dreams regularly where you suddenly end up outside (the before part is fuzzy) crossdressed and made up, you're aware you don't pass well, and now you have to make your way back to your hiding before a lot of people find out. I always end up waking up from those like a nightmare.
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>stop taking E
>forget about it for few days
>feeling unsettled
>slowly sliding back into hopelessness and depression


>>8715308
Im not trans and never think about passing so no and luckily my anxiety is not nearly as bad as it used to be so I dont have nightmares anymore
If I have dreams when I look female or crossdress it feels good

>>8714846
trenders dont transition and most don't even try to take T
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>>8715347
>stop taking E
>forget about it for few days
>feeling unsettled
>slowly sliding back into hopelessness and depression

>Im not trans
>Im not trans
>Im not trans

ANON
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>>8715212
What's so good about this? You could make it in two seconds in some basic 3D modeling program.
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>>8715308
Every time I dream about being a girl I'm just a girl.
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>>8716704
its just the antidepressant effect of estrogen
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>>8717045
Excessive estrogen in men causes depression..

>>8714834
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>>8717056
relatively high estrogen due to aromatization/fat is not the same as hrt
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>>8717316
Look, how many cis people do you know who just take E for the lolz and then feel better as a result? Please take an honest look at yourself.
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>>8717343
E has side effects for cis males that they wouldn't want. Tits aren't such a big problem to us.
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>>8717343
>for the lolz
for the looks
some gays/femboys/underaged fools

does it still count as CIS if you dont identify or want to become a woman but want feminization?
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>>8717404
This is just my view and I can't prove it but I think that wanting a cross-sex body is at the core of being trans, with non-anatomical dysphoria being socially induced as a result of the individual trying to make sense of that in face of society's gender expectations. "I feel the need to have a woman's body therefore I must be a woman. Everyone keep telling me women must be certain things and I'm not those things so I feel bad about it".

This is the truth of the matter: if having another sort of body would allow you to be at peace with yourself then it is not wrong to try and change your body to fit your ideal. Everything else is a red herring.
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>>8717555
I think both are equal parts and the exact balance between the two varies between individuals.
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>don't care about life
>don't care because will never be a girl
>can't see myself as a real person as a guy
>would never pass


i don't know what to do

HRT wouldn't do anything

I just want to stop existing
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>>8717566
The reason why I think this is that it is plausible that a biological mechanism might be behind someone feeling like they have the "wrong" sort of body. The same does not apply to non-anatomic dysphoria. To me this suggests that the directionality is physical dysphoria->social dysphoria, though in time social dysphoria might eclipse physical dysphoria. Maybe you're right and I'm wrong though. I'm just trying to make sense of everything we know.
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>>8717582
>can't see myself as a real person as a guy
what do you mean?
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>>8717582
I'm in the same boat, just not as depressed. I'm also not transitioning because I have no chance of passing. What I'll rather hypocritically argue though is that a lot of unpassable transsexuals seem to be pretty happy. Maybe you could be happy like they are. Hell, maybe you'll end up passing. People tend to be unrealistic about their prospects. If it's do or die.. maybe try "do" first?
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>>8717598
They probably mean that they feel disassociated from themselves. Dissociation is a very common symptom in repressors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociation_(psychology)
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>>8717598
I feel fake all the time. Nothing I do or say is really how I feel or think, I'm just acting how I'm supposed to. It's been like that forever too since I realized it wasn't normal to want to be a girl, I don't even know what my personality is like since it seems like it's just been shaped by trying to not be what I want to be sometimes.

We would always get asked in school "where do you see yourself in X years?". I can't imagine myself as a guy in the future or as an old man. I have a set of fake "interests" that I have, was going to college for one, etc.

everything about me just feels false and at this point I'm too insecure and scared and used to it so I don't even know what I want to do or be and if I did I wouldn't be able to do it because even all alone it makes me cringe and think about how disgusting and gross it is
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>>8717608
how do i know i wouldn't be disassociated anyway?
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>>8717639
What do you mean?
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>>8717633
>"where do you see yourself in X years?"
i can't do that either.

why don't you see what your real personality is?

>>8717642
that i wouldn't disassociate even if i was a girl.
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>>8717714
>why don't you see what your real personality is?

I realized it wasn't normal and stuff to want to do girly stuff and all the pressure you get as a guy to not be a fag etc, I just ignored it every time I wanted to do something girly and now I just feel bad every time I think about something like that.

It's like my current personality is just a product of repressing/ignoring wanting to be a girl and the bad feelings caused by that rather than a representation of being a person.

Like how would I be different if I didn't live my whole life under the influence of depression/whatever you want to call it where I don't do anything, don't have any hobbies, don't care, just feel like I'm randomly here but I don't want to be.
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>>8717714
>that i wouldn't disassociate even if i was a girl.
I don't think there's a way to know for sure. It's possible there's another cause, in which case you should think about what it might be. It's possible that it's caused by dysphoria, as is often the case. No easy answers, unfortunately.
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As a 'straight' guy I fantasize about dominating short skinny passing mtfs who have ATP. Does this mean I'm a closet fag or what.
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>>8717783
Does it matter? What utility would a label have? You are what you are and defining it further is only useful insofar as it would somehow give you some practical benefit.
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>>8717732
>rather than a representation of being a person.
but you are still a person even if you don't show who you are or even know it yourself.

>>8717754
does there have to be a cause?

maybe i'm just disassociative like i'm just agp.
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>>8717952
It's hard to think of myself as connected to my physical body.

I shaved my shoulder length hair and don't shave my face half the time, I look in the mirror and feel no connection to myself. It's like I'm staring at another person or a TV character or something.
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>>8717952
>does there have to be a cause?
Yes, especially given how you have another condition which heavily correlates with a condition which is known to often cause dissociation. If you can't find another explanation then that might mean that you should seriously look into whether you're trans.
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I know APG is a fetish, but I feel like it's more than that for me sometimes. For example, putting on women's clothing can give me a boner, but it also gives me pleasure in a totally non-sexual way. It just feels better to me and I really enjoy deluding myself into thinking I'm cute.
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>>8718562
You can be both trans and AGP if that what you're referring to, though I'm not sure that's what you mean.
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>>8718020
>I look in the mirror and feel no connection to myself.
i get this too. i wouldn't recognize myself and i can't picture myself in my head. but i can't picture family members either even though i recognize them.

>>8718145
i'm agp.
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>>8718612
>i'm agp
So?
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>>8718616
so i know i'm trans.
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>>8718612
I wish I knew what to do about it.


There is no way I can be happy as a man.
But I can't ever be a woman.

so what can I do except suicide?
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>>8718635
Oh, you're one of the people who think those things are the same. Okay.
If you accept being trans and know dissociation is a common symptom then I'm not sure why you don't think one is probably connected to the other.
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>>8718644
>But I can't ever be a woman
Are you certain?
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>>8718714
I am 6 feet tall, huge feet, caveman brow, etc, I wouldn't pass.

But before that even too many mental barrier to take HRT, too scared and insecure and worried.

Theres no winning move for me.
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>>8718743
Kind of a last resort, but are you sure you can't be happy as someone who is visibly trans?
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>>8718745
No, that's my biggest anxiety.

I know I'm not normal because of that and also for other reasons, IE I'm a loser, can't socially interact, etc.

I hate how obvious it is that I'm different, I just wish I was normal.
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>>8718763
I'm sorry. I wish I could help you but as I wrote here
>>8717602
I don't even have a solution for myself.
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>>8718777
You could try HRT. I think about that sometimes but I don't know if I'm too much of a pussy to do it or too apathetic.
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>>8718709
i don't know. i can't even imagine not being disassociated. i don't know if i'd like it. i wish i was female.
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>>8718562
This is normal for AGPs. It's because AGP isn't just a fetish, it's a full orientation, and part of that is the feeling of satisfaction and fulfillment from engaging in it.
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>>8718801
Well, I know this is shit advice but maybe you need to hear this from someone: why not work toward becoming what you'd like to be?
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>>8718888
I'm extremely ashamed of it
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>>8718897
You shouldn't be. For one, I got quads in that post. You'd need pents to overrule it.
Why feel shame for an innate quality you have no control over that is not harmful to anyone else in any way?
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>>8683288

i wonder if AGP men in muslim countries jack off to the thought of being forced to wear a hijab
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>>8719103
Eks. Dee.
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>>8718888
what i'd like to be is a real girl.
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>>8719533
Well, you are real. Halfway there. Externalizing the girl is up to you.
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>Start to notice receding hairline

The dream is dead.
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>>8703671

I hate the moments when my voice is really low (like sometimes after waking up) and I can feel the reverberation through my neck and head.
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>>8720350
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>>8716723

It sounds like that GIF and that JPEG that anon was talking about were made in the 90s. I assume that makes it a bigger accomplishment that it is now.

>>8717404

How feminine would you go if you could choose to go that far and no further?
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>>8719533
I'd like to pass as a girl

t.trap
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>>8717783

Did you really mean ATP and not AGP? If so, why do you mean a trans girl who is aroused at the idea of being thicc? As a follow up to that, if you do mean thicc and not tomboy, why do you want to dominate a skinny MtF who wishes she were thicc?

>>8719103

I had a history teacher in 5th grade who taught us about Mesopotamia, ancient Egypt, Babylon, etc. She told me about how she wasn't allowed to go outside without her husband and that she had to wear a burka or a hijab, I don't recall anymore. I found it hot to imagine myself being forced to cover myself because I'm a woman. So I'm sure AGPs who actually grow up there definitely find the idea arousing.

>>8720350

Start taking estrogen now, and whatever you started losing in the past year might grow back.
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>>8719971
it won't be real. i can only be a girl inside.
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>>8720639
Or just fantasize about being fem
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are people with AGP more prone to sexual addiction? Why is this? Is it because unlike many other fetishes it's somewhat possible or entirely so to fulfill your AGP fantasies?

Good questions to ponder, I personally feel like it's taken over my entire life.
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>>8720639
Being almost a girl outside is surely better than being a man, right?
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So I decided to go on making a capsule wardrobe for my feminine stuff, to do three things :
- stop continuously buying woman clothing
- making it more controlled, more versatile
- to avoid stuff linked to sissyfication and stuff
Honestly I just want to drift toward enjoying woman things while being less aroused by it ( which in fact is the natural direction one takes unconsciously when he's been agp for ~10 years).
And no, I'm not disphoric and I don't want to transition
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>>8683288
>AGP questions and answers
>Do biological women experience AGP?
No.

You're welcome.
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>>8721674
Very rarely*
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>>8684767

Some days, I would just spend hours and hours and hours until the sun went down going on Omegle (the text rooms), lying, and saying I was a woman, complete with all the fake, sexy stories you included as well. This is pretty much how I discovered I was AGP.

The problem is that I'm also attracted exclusively to women, which means every time I had a sexy chat with another woman, I couldn't shake the suspicion that it was just another guy doing the exact same thing I was doing.
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>>8721626
What happens when you have female clothes than male clothes
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What do you when overwhelming jealousy of women in sexual contexts does not go away even after fapping?
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>>8722142
I don't, that's the purpose of a capsule wardrobe.
That would be pretty problematic if it happened though
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I feel like I need to find an outlet for my sadness over not being female or they'll consume me. Transitioning isn't really an option anymore due to how manly I've become. Just AGP isn't cutting it anymore.
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>gf just reversed her stance and admitted she finds it uncomfortable and until she works it out herself asks that I not crossdress when she's home
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>>8723057
how did you get her to agree in the first place?
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>>8723066
She likes fantasizing about girls sometimes, and likes getting pictures of me as a girl, but apparently actually in-person is something else and she can't figure out why but it makes her uncomfortable.
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>>8723057
How long before she inevitably dumps you
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>>8723057
Lose her. I ended up repressed for over a decade because of a bad relationship at 18, and she eventually dumped me anyway because I was too autistic.

If she can't handle you she doesn't deserve you. You don't have to dump her, but don't ever stop being yourself for someone - you might find you're not able to start again.
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>>8723057
She's been talking to friends, family, coworkers and they have convinced her that you're a freak.
Other people are awful.
She still loves you and wants it to work but cares too much about what other people think.
If you break up with her, after explaining why, which will allow her to save face with those other people you can probably still carry on a D/L relationship with her as fuckbuddies, you just need to play it cool, back off and let her dictate the terms.
Don't make this about her.
Let her explain and just go along with whatever she says.
In the long run, being with her is what you care about.
The rest doesn't matter.
Don't screw this up.
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>>8723147
I mean I haven't been crossdressing for long, but I used to roleplay a lot, and in video games and things like that I nearly always play or make my avatar a girl when possible.
So I'm not really sure where I am. But it's disappointing not being able to share something I thought she was excited about.
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>>8723161
>She's been talking to friends, family, coworkers and they have convinced her that you're a freak.
Nope. But I feel your passion, and thank you.
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>>8723086
>and she can't figure out why but it makes her uncomfortable.
Because she's not that bi. Making out with a girl is one thing, her boyfriend feminizing herself is another.
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>>8722060
So you're only chatting with women?
Lesbian sex makes me so flaccid I can talk to guys only.
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>>8683288
How does it feel knowing you're a male fetishist forcing your delusion onto hardworking members of society?
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>>8723338
I don't know. How does that feel like?
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I have weird red bumps on my legs that I've had for a long time. Is there any way to get rid of them? They look almost like a pimple but they don't hurt or anything, they've just been there before I started shaving and I don't know how to make them go away or at least fade.
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>>8723597
Could this be a case of Keratosis Pilaris?
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>>8723729
Some of those pictures are horrifying, but no it's not like patches, it's just like a few large red bumps. They look like an ingrown leg hair but they've been there a long time and from before I started shaving my legs.
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>>8723751
Just cut the leg imo
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>>8723163
Keep us updated
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Apologies for the clickshit http://www.boredpanda.com/before-after-transgender-transition/

Transition timelines make me want to die though. Seeing all these dudes with weak chins and small noses who made mediocre guys transforming into pretty girls where their features are actually attractive.

Meanwhile I'm always going to be an ugly kike nose, square chin, long midface freak.
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>>8723057
Does she wear pants? Tell her to wear a skirt until you work out how you feel about her trying to imitate men.

Alternatively, dump her now. This is a red flag. Even if she says she accepts it, what about in a month, six months, a year or two? It won't last in the long term. Straight girls are always going to be hostile to guys and trannies moving in on their 'territory'. Find a bi girl with a yaoi/crossdressing fetish. Thats your best bet.
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>>8722060

>The problem is that I'm also attracted exclusively to women

Shit tier taste, dude. The only woman you should be attracted to is your theoretically female self.
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>>8719529
>being completely naked under a hijab + robe in public
hng
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I think Im not really agp or maybe Im just becoming asexual since nothing makes me horny

I put on panties and bra for the first time but it only turned me on for few minutes, I've spent maybe 2 hrs dressing up and posing before the mirror few times today and it felt really good, small female tops look so fine if I put a bit of padding to fake small breasts and light summer dress is almost a perfect fit, I just have to hide my arms to not ruin the view

I shouldn't have done this, only makes me hate my rough manly face even more, why even bother if you can never become a pretty lady
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>>8727635

Those pictures are gone already, huh.

>>8727957

Is it the idea that you might be raped, or like a pseudo-exhibitionist thing that turns you on?
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>>8727635
Yeah iktf
It makes me so angry seeing people with great genetics for being trans, let alone if they grew up in the trans golden age
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>>8729457
>great genetics for being trans
thats called HSTS (or mayeb some are even Kleinfelter)
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>>8729457
>tfw great genetics for being trans except for being 6 foot 7
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>>8729585

>thats called HSTS (or mayeb some are even Kleinfelter)

Pseudoscience. Most gay males are physically indistinguishable from straight ones. More likely explanation is that HSTS who are ugly repress and live out their lives as gay men. Same with ugly AGP.
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>>8729861
majority od HSTS are feminine in appearance due to high prenatal estrogen

>males
oh, never mind
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>>8729965
>majority od HSTS are feminine in appearance due to high prenatal estrogen

You're going to have to provide more than the subjective hearsay of Blanchard and Bailey.

I can also provide anecdotes. The other night at Walmart I saw 3 homeless transsexual prostitutes taking shelter from the rain near the vending machines in the front of the store. All 3 must have been 30+, dressed conventionally feminine, but none of them passed well. Anyone could tell that they were transsexual males from a mile away.

>>males
>oh, never mind

Yes, MtT are males
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>>8729992
just leave please
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>>8729997
Did I offend you? Reality shouldn't be offensive famalam.
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>>8729270
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>>8730049
>Call out pseudoscience
>Ignore the fact that transsexuals have feminized/virilized brains before hormones
wew
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>>8730426
But I only fapped to feminization or selfinserted as a girl before, I cant be trans if I only identified as male. But its not crossdressing fetish either
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>>8729270
lots of guys cd, just have fun with it
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Anyone know any good agp fiction? Not porn, I know where to find that.
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>>8729270
I feel like we're in the same area, were sexual attraction isn't really what matters the most, but at the same time you don't feel like your trans either.
Sadly there aren't much of good models for men that just like wearing women stuff.
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>>8732535
Never seen a watchable movie on that subject, but I'm interested by the question too.
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So, what do you think are CD's place in today society ? I feel like we don't really are a part of LGBT since we're mostly cishet men, but we're not really accepted by society either : how are we shown in common culture ? As Ms Doubtfire ? Lunatics like in pink flagmingo ? So there is that thing of AGP but we're just a subgroup of it, agp itself being a - not really integrated - sub group of lgbt.
Man I feel quite a bit lost regarding all that.
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>>8732408
Not with my ugly manly face, I can only do it for myself alone but it's like teasing yourself with a vision of what you will never be. Better ignore it completely and reinforce male personality.

>>8732538
There is definitely more than just wearing women stuff and no way you can pull that off if you dont look very feminine.
But if hypothetically men were free to dress as they like just the same as women can put on any of male clothes I'd really be happier.
>>8732548 >>8732535
Have you seen Unconditional http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1967651/

there is some AGP/crossdresing manga/anime like Princess jellyfish




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