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Are psychiatrists/psychologists worth what you pay them? Do they help or make things worse?

Previous thread: >>8922113
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How I know they don't encourage repression
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>>8941303
>Are psychiatrists/psychologists worth what you pay them?
No. And I say that after seeing one for free.
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Remainder: No fap make it worse.
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>>8941303
>Are psychiatrists/psychologists worth what you pay them?

It all depends on your situation. Seeing a doctor when you are healthy is a waste of money, seeing one when you are sick is a good investment.

Do they help or make things worse?

They are all cucked. See them as someone you can tell everything and won't tell anybody.

If they can't help you, they should refer you to somebody who can.
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>>8941418
But we all know what they will recomend you
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>>8941439
>But we all know what they will recomend you

Not really, many therapist aren't comfortable with transitioning you at all. One even told me that all lgbt suffer from mental illness.

But, they will kindly refer you who somebody who will if you insist.
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>>8941451
Really? I would love to find one who know about condition and think like that.
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>>8941303
>Are psychiatrists/psychologists worth what you pay them?
Not by a long shot. Wish i figured that out sooner. The psych i was seeing was a hack and was literally draining money out of the families of mentally disabled people. Still doing it too, too bad none of them can help it.
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>when hrt eases dysphoria but now you have fear about being trans and how people will treat you
>when your off dysphoria is more but you feel more safe and unoticiable
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>>8941611
>cut
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>>8941368
Incorrect.
NoFap in the short term can make it worse, but long-term has an amazing effect on dysphoria.

>>8941418
And not neccessarily even someone you can tell everything and they won't tell anyone, depending on which country you live in.

Be careful anons. Remember. You're the customer, they are the product.

In regards to non-dysphoric talks with therapists, go ahead but good luck finding one that is helpful.

>>8941439
This is the point. They either push skittles, or outright gatekeep and assume you want skittles or are full conversion therapy tier.

If it's a general therapist, fine - but AVOID talking about dysphoira.

>>8941451
Either they're outright hostile to LGBT, or they're full hormonepush. There's no logic in them, with a few rare exceptions.

>>8941542
A lot of psychs and therapists are absolute scum. Do not trust them just because they're a therapist or a psych. You're the customer, they're the product. It's just buisness to them. Always remember that.

>>8941599
Transition has no long-term proven benefits.
Don't fucking trap yourself.
Trash the skittles, wait for yourself to recover from the poison, and then STOP FAPPING, START LIVING!
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Has anyone successfully returned to living as male after a full social-transition? How have you done it, care to share your experiences?

>>8941599
>when hrt eases dysphoria
>fear about being trans
fear about social transition or fear about really being transsexual?
>>8941368
didn't work either way
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>>8942046
Fear about social, cause I'm ugly lol

>>8941997
That doesent work, I've done that like 5 times
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There's no such thing as repression since there's no such thing as an innate gender identity.
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>>8942087
Oh, look, a SJW.
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>>8942087
Explains this thread, just mentally ill idiot, no one is as smart and enlightend as you!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wDlM7F_yzw

to fight darkness is to fight yourself
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>>8941303
Not a disillusioned repressor but here's my opinion:
Psychology is a hack science and has little basis in reality, which is why it's mostly ineffective. If you need a body to vent emotions to that's about all they're good for and they'll be happy to take every penny. In reality you're the only person who can help yourself and guide yourself.
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>>8942447
What about psychatry.
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>>8942376
DARKNESS
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>>8942447
This.
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>>8942455
i will do what spartan could not.
i will do what the weak curehon cant.

i will live a life dedicated to hate of the female and lgbt. to place sexism and transphobia at the height of my life
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>>8942458
Join the force.
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>>8942450
my step-grandfather who has been a practicing PHD for over 25 years told me that most medications, like SSRIs have no basis in science and aren't exactly understood what they truly do. So, take that for what it is.
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>>8942460
Sieg Hail
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>>8942460
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>>8942481
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>>8942489
if this is pheinchein from mtfg then fuck off and kill yourself you anorexic disgusting tranny

if not. less anime anyway pls.
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>>8942493
>if not. less anime anyway pls.
Ok.
>if this is pheinchein from mtfg then fuck off and kill yourself you anorexic disgusting tranny
If that's the diaperfag then it's justified.
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>>8942493
Phichen is like most fun person on mtfg.
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>>8942458
Me irl
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>>8942612
shes a degenerate and your a tranny loving traitor

kys

and im gonna have words with curefag too. that women loving, feminist, milquetoast, sexless airhead
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>>8942632
Damn right. Pol repressors unite.
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>>8942639
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzK97Aaj_U8
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>>8942650
Remove the trannies.
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>>8942670
Best repgen joke, ever.
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So how's Amy doing?
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>>8943528
Bretty good
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>>8942670
But we're trannies?
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>>8943589
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>>8943597
Nope, were repressors.
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>>8943607
Repressing what? No need to answer.
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>>8943628
We want to be the opposite sex, but that doesn't mean we're trannies. Repressors are those who do not take HRT out of their own will.
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>>8943607
Don't say it out aloud
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>>8943643
A tranny before she transitions is still trans, even if she never does.
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>>8943679
Stop this
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>>8943693
Stop repressing? But I don't want to transition!
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>>8943729
No stop saying we are trannies

Every time you do, somewhere, a repressor takes hrt.
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>>8943743
>Every time you do, somewhere, a repressor takes hrt.
I told you!

...wonder if it'll be me eventually?
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>>8943760
Don't take that chance
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>>8943780
What if that's how it's supposed to be though?
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>>8943794
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My borderline is getting worse I think
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>>8942072
NoFap dors work. You need to try it a little further.

>>8942447
Hey look, it's a bitterhon actually telling the truth for once. Don't trust therapists!

But don't fucking trap yourself.
Transition has no long-term proven benefits.

>>8942458
I'm not weak, or a hon.
I could be a /pol/ shitposter, but I'm not here to shitpost, or bash people on any way.

>>>/pol/

>>8942460
>>8942478
>>8942481
>>8942489
And same with all you.
>>>/pol/

>>8942493
Wouldn't be surprised if it was /mtfg/, to be honest.

>>8942632
Encouraging suicide, even towards bitterhons is disgusting.

Also, I'm not a feminist. I do love women, but who doesn't when they're AGP?

I'm not milquetoast. Nice try, I don't give in to my AGP.

Sexless because outside of AGP I'm literally Ace.

Not an "airhead". Nice try.

>>>/pol/

>>8942639
>Pol
Okay, now I know you're from /mtfg/.

>>8942650
>Baneposting
>>8942670
>remove kebab meme for trannies


Literally just shitposting.
>>>/trash/

>>8943589
Repressors are not trannies. Trannies are those who transition.

>>8943607
This.

>>8943628
Repressing our mental illness.
Transition doewn't work, but we still have a mental illness.
>>8943679
Bullshit.
[citation needed], bitterhon.
And no, correlation=causation bullshit brain studies don't count.

>>8943729
It's just /mtfg/ again with a side of /pol/ shitposting that's probably /mtfg/ preteneing to be /pol/.

Ignore the shills.
Don't trust bitterhons!

>>8943743
We aren't trannies.
Don't listen to disgusting /mtfg/ bitterhons.

>>8943760
No.

>>>/mtfg/

>>8943794
Transition has no long-term proven benefits.
STOP FAPPING, START LIVING!

>>8944068
You're feeding your mental illness(es) with HRT.
If you want less mental illness, detransition.
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>>8944068
I hope you feel better soon Amy.
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>>8944204
>telling people to detrans
I wish you nothing but suffering.
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>>8936434
I detrans'ed and my dysphoria came back one level harder to deal with, seeing how things were likely to get more miserable I went back.

If you are 3 years in, don't bother. Just reduce your dose. Definitely drop anti-androgens because you don't need them anymore.
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>>8944204
Citation needed
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>>8944312
Hopefully it's just from my low starting dose and the time it take so to drop t
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>>8945906
It probably takes a little while to get going again especially if you are ramping back up so hang in there and it should be alright.
Keeping yourself busy should also help but I spent time looking for a new hat for the cold weather so I am no example of that.
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Hey, hey.
Any other agp here who live straight man's life? How did you girlfriends took it? Did you manage to implement it somehow
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>>8946270
>Any other agp here who live straight man's life?
Well, if you can call that living.
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I have done nothing but masturbate for two days.
I feel very slob like but masculine
I wanna stick my dick in pussy and cum
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>tfw no repgen gf to transition with at the same time and feminine each othern
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>>8944361
I'm here to help people.
I don't wosh suffering or death on anyone unlike you, bitterhon.

>>>/mtfg/

>>8944432
Transition has no long-term proven benefits.
Don't fucking trust bitterhons!
Detransition.
STOP FAPPING, START LIVING! (Without HRT)

>>8944792
Citation needed on what, bitterhon?

>>8947034
STOP FAPPING, START LIVING!

>>8947214
>AGP fetish fuel
Stop fantasizing about that shit. If you're fantasizing about being a girl, you'll just end up trapping yourself eventually.
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>>8944204
>I could be a /pol/ shitposter, but I'm not here to shitpost, or bash people on any way.

and that is why you are weak
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>>8947294
fuck off you asexual freak
i will cut off your head and shit down your neck and then have sex with the fucking corpse

repgen has a new rule

Aces. Out

Violent Sexual Beasts. In

Testosterone is sexual fuel, if you do not have sexual desires, you are not a Man. you are lesser.
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>>8947313
>Violent Sexual Beasts. In
Why would you do this? Don't you realize that's like crack to half us MtF's? Its like you want your thread overrun.
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>>8947304
Define weak in this context.
Additionally, being like that is just being a crybaby to get your way. Nobody supports you except for other /pol/ fags, and desu even for /pol/ outright hating women is a bit fucked up.


>>>/mtgow/
>>>/theredpill on reddit/-
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>>8947319
heterosexual desires, or homosexual if you want to dominate men.

so long as your the top.

have sex with them, dominate, make yourself the master, do not give into weakness that is celibacy and sexual failure, allowing your sexual organs to degrade and atrophy.

>>8947321
you dont need support when you have force.
whos going to stop us. you asexual weaklings?
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>>8947313
>Duke nukem meme
>Violent Sexual Beast
>No sexual desires, not a man
Now that's what I call edgy!

I have high T. Doesn't make me any less of a man to be ace. Nice try.

I've seen better shitposts on /trash/.

It'd be a disservice to send you there, so how about you go to /mtfg/ and shill there instead of here.
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>>8947330
I don't plan to stop you, nor would I care to.

But I'm sure you're aware guns exist, if you do anything stupid people will rise against you.

Right now you're just a keyboard warrior.

Keep playing the social heirachy game, it'll certainly make you feel better when inevitably someone more dominant makes you their bitch.

Force in the end only meets force.

>>8947334
Kek
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>>8947334
You are Elder Lyons and am Elder Maxson.

you let this brotherhood stagnate, i will bring it to glory.

once more, trannies will fear this general, instead of laughing at it.


>>8947332
no you dont. no high T man forgos physical training and sex. like the castrated monks and eunuchs of old. you are the rot within our cause. those who sow weakness and mediocrity

physically weak, mentally weak, sexually weak. you are not a man but a boy at best.

>>8947339
a weakling like you would never touch a gun, i know your kind. you fear weapons.
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http://www.strawpoll.me/14058740

let the Men decide who will lead them
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>>8947346
Well long as you fight against /mtfg/, I really don't care to be honest.

Anything to help dismantle the tradnarrative is a good thing. Even if it comes from the retarded illogical worldviews of /pol/.

I do have high T. And there are many who choose not to participate in being hypermasculine. It's not my path, but whatever works for you.

It doesn't make me any weaker than you.
While I personally wouldn't fight, there are many who would. "My kind" is anyone with a brain and logical sense rather than edgy shitposting.
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>>8947362
Meme polls that can easily be rigged and are about as accurate as surveyanon's surveys don't mean shit.

I'm not here to "lead" anyway.
I'm here to have free and open discussions about the truth of AGP/Trans/Dysphoria.
What I am or am not is irrelevant.

You're not fucking bane.
Stop acting like it.
Or take it to >>>/trash/
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>>8947370
Tradition is everything you fucking heretic.

it is the erosion and destruction of it that has created this tranny epidemic.

only a return to the traditonal ways, male supremacy, brutally enforced gender roles and social shaming of weak males is the only way, with the eventual perfection through the elimination of lgbt entirely.

i offer males a chance to be more than just males, the chance for them to become men.

>>8947384
see that you stay out of my way.
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>>8947385
I don't subscribe to your /pol/ bullshit, and will call it out when I see it.

You're free to shitpost all you want, but you're not going to silence me either.

That makes you no better than disgusting bitterhons.

When I say the traditional narrative, I mean the bitterhon bullshit of transgenderism=intersex, the "traditional" view of trannies on this board.

However, in regards to muh tradition as /pol/ sees it, that's just utter bullshit.
[citation needed]

The causes of the tranny epidemic are debated, but regardless the way to fix it isn't being nazis. That'll just end how WW2 did: Nazis being losers.

Doesn't matter how much you try to "conserve" the old, retarded monkeybrain way of things, progress always finds a way. Real progress and the truth, that is - not bitterhon sjw emotional bullshit. The truth is progress, muh dgeneracy isn't.

You can shame people all you want, you can be brutal all you want, but on the end that's only trapping yourself just as much as any bitterhon is.

You can't eliminate "degeneracy", even with eugenics. All you'll end up doing is making the men who disagree with you who do survive stronger and ready to kill you.
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>>8947401
go be a gender fluid weak male somewhere else
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>>8944204
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>>8947418
I'm not genderfluid or anything of the sort.
I'm not a believer or supporter of nonbinary bullshit.

Nice try, /pol/fag.
>>>/pol/

>>8947436
Making more memes about me, I see.
If you're going to shitpost, at least make OC.
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>>8947385
Tradition is everything you fucking heretic.

it is the erosion and destruction of it that has created this tranny epidemic.

only a return to the traditonal ways, male supremacy, brutally enforced gender roles and social shaming of weak males is the only way, with the eventual perfection through the elimination of lgbt entirely.

i offer males a chance to be more than just males, the chance for them to become men.
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>>8947945
Meant to greentext kek.
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>>8947945
I wasn't even openly trans or gay, but I was socially shamed big time for being effeminate. Got the shit beaten out of me too on several occasions. It didn't stop me from transing. You can't beat the trans out of people like me. Look at all those who trans in countries where they get routinely murdered. Your ideas are wrong and cruel.
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>>8948015
Oops, meant to link to >>8947385
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I wish I could know if i would pass or not. If I knew I would pass I would do it even if it fucked up my life.
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>>8948057
trannies that pass are very rare b/c male bodeis don't pass
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there's no such thing as 'repression' because there are no innate gender identities to 'repress'
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>>8948078
Plenty of trannies pass honestly. I know a lot don't, but plenty of them do and if I knew I could be one of the ones that pass I would do it.
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>>8948088
Oh, look, it's the SJW again.
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>>8948093
If you blatantly look like a man in a dress, you'll have a very hard time. You don't want people to clock you as a man.
Getting clocked as a tranny is something in between. If you're seen as tranny but not a man that's a bit better, and the closer to female you are the better you'll be treated.
If your passable features outnumber your unpassable features, the majority of people will see you as female, and even those who clock you might not treat you badly unless they're extremely prejudiced.
I wouldn't see passing as strictly an either/or thing. If you insist on 100% passability in all circumstances, you might as well repress because that's an almost impossible standard to meet.
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I told my gf I have agp (don't have dysphoria) and yelled at me that I am no good tranny
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>>8948137
Oops. Time to find a new gf.
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>>8948146
It seems. Now she is convinced that I am tranny despite I told her 100 times I am not dysphoric.
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>>8948057
I'm sure most people who end up transitioning have worried about not passing at some point, it almost comes with the package. If you were a bit daring, you could post a pic on the passgen thread and see what they think.
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>>8948158
One thing you can't really predict results because some people change more than others on hrt
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>>8948158
One time I posted a pic on one of those could I pass threads and it was like 70/30 that I could pass or not. It didn't help much because I felt like the ones saying I could were hug boxing and the ones saying I couldn't were telling me the truth.
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>>8948105
It's a quote from Survey and Trent.
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>>8948175
They're hardcore Blanchardian and Blanchardians don't believe in innate gender identities.
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>>8948197
God let them be right and way to cure them.
(not curehon, I hate her)
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>>8948197
how did he say to cure AGP?
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>>8948164
It is like a cruel roll of the dice isn't it?
Some people can get amazing results while others get squat, the only way to know for sure is to go for it which is reckless as hell when hormones are involved.
I got no chance so I have to present male anyway, the dramatic timelines I have seen sting just a little bit.

>>8948165
I wasn't aware that they hug boxed on /tttt/, I thought most in the passing thread were brutal with if you could pass or not.
I could be wrong of course but I will say that it could be you dismissing the ones that say you pass and focusing on the ones that say you don't.
It all boils down to how much it bothers you and if it is manageable.
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>>8948244
Some people hug box here. I don't know maybe I just hate myself and can only focus on the bad.
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>>8948435
Circlejerks are circlejerks be they positive or negative. 4chan has many obnoxious circlejerks.
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>>8948218
No. Even Blanchard would support transitioning, though not in all cases. I could be wrong but I think he'd favor repression if you can manage it. He doesn't consider transitioned trans women to actually be women though.
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>>8948565
don't care what a has-been who did pigeon studies in the 70s believes
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>>8948272
wtf with the hostility. I have nothing to do with anyone else here or with sockpuppets. I speak for myself and I reject Blanchardianism anyway.
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>>8948568
I don't like him either, I was just answering a question.
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>>8948572
>if I use no grammar, they won't detect me!

Repeat. your sockpuppets are not special. You are not special. You're just a mentally ill man with DID and personality disorder. Not Galileo. Cry harder.
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>>8941303
I cant live
I cant die (I always chicken out)
I cant repress
I cant quit hrt
I cant cure dysphoria
END MY MISSORI
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>>8948565
>I could be wrong but I think he'd favor repression if you can manage it.
what counts as managing it?
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>>8948577
You are a special kind of paranoid stupid. You couldn't be more wrong.
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>>8948594
Not killing yourself I guess.
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>>8948608
Repeat. your sockpuppets are not special. You are not special. You're just a mentally ill man with DID and personality disorder. Not Galileo. Cry harder.
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>>8948615
calls to report are in violation of global rule #7
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>>8948624
>Submitting false or misclassified reports, or otherwise abusing the reporting system may result in a ban. Replying to a thread stating that you've reported or "saged" it, or another post, is also not allowed.
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>>8948699
call me when you've changed IPs again like the last time you tried to argue with the mods about their own rules (lol)
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The more desperately dysphoric I get the more attracted I seem to be to women as a man, I don't get it. I've turned into a chad by accident, offers of pussy everywhere. I wish I could sell my body to an incel for a lot of money.
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>>8948706
I'm the one quoting the rules, you're the one inventing new ones.
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>>8948756
not him but why else would your post be deleted?
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>>8948820
I'd love to know that myself. I wasn't banned or even warned and I haven't changed IP.

Janny, any answer?
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i want to die everyday but i never do anything about it why am i such a coward?
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Just had a fucked up dream related to you

Ok imagine it's the far future, on a colony ship, they encounter a lush tropical world and an alien communication beacon

A research team goes down to the planet and investigates, they find a plant spore type thing and a crew member accidentally touches, however, it's cures all diseases and genetic defects, giving the crew member perfect health, so the captain orders them to take it aboard for further research

However turns out the spore is intelligent and only did that to get on the ship, its true purpose is that when it comes into contact with a human, it's converts them into a monogendered species, a human female in appearance but with the ability to breed with other converted females and be impregnated, the babies will also be female

Some spores escape and into a female researcher, females retain their identity and memories, but when the spore converts a man, he becomes a she and loses his memory and identity, waking up as a scared and disorientated woman

The captain orders a lockdown quarantine but the Feminist first officer of the ship betrays him and forms a cult of spreading the spore around the ship, converting hundreds of unsuspecting colonists into girls and woman, stating that this is "salvation from the patriarchy and that men can finally join woman and be one enlightened peaceful species"

Me and some men have escaped to the far end of the ship not yet reached, aiming to reach the escape pods, get to the nearest military outpost and warn earths government

A lot of us are scared and traumatised, one guy saw his best friend turn into a woman and tell him to join her

Because there's no violence, no pain, they just want to turn us into females.

And I did something in the dream that suprised me, I decided to stop running.

We get cornered and cut off from the escape pods and I just willingly accept my fate and walk towards them and feel myself get turned into a woman and I felt happy
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>>8942458
>to hate of the female

You hate what you truly aspire to be like. You'll be easy to break. Just like all those feminists who decided to become men.
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>>8949755
No... you lie!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBqFIa_Q4Bg
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>>8949751
i wish something like this would happen to me i'm too afraid to do anything on my own
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>>8949745
>>8949757
>>8949772
I'm going on hormones
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>>8949751
This would make a good movie

>cureanon uses the escape pod because he runs away the moment he find something out it turns men into women
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>>8949782
who are you anon? are you the guy with the pro/cons list? or someone else?
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>>>/pol/143823258

Let's tell her repgen will stop trannies
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>>8949782
Are you one of the people that is here always debating getting on hormones?
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>>8949838
No I'm good shes a stronger person than I am or maybe just luckier
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I am starting to develop meta-attraction to the idea of repressing. Does that mean that things are getting better or worse?
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CRAWLING IN MY SKIN
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>>8950014
THESE WOUNDS THEY WILL NOT HEAL
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Roastie put in line. Aka tfw when you are forester, hunting supervisor, farmer and reserve army and make good money and she is half time high school psychology teacher and make nothing XD
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I don't think I have the conviction to go through with this
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>>8950103
with transitioning? yeah i feel you its fucking hard and i can't do it either
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Come repressor give me advice how to really convince my girlfriend that despite my agp I am not dysphoric and therefore tranner
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>>8950112
I lost my bf. I'm depressed and gonna order junk food and drink booze

This Disease ruins everything good I ever get
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>>8950125
yeah it ruined my life and i'm pretty sure it would ruin it more if i went through with it
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I am severely mentally ill

Time to detransition after just a week huh
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>>8949796
Damn right I would use that escape pod, at any cost. I'd shoot myself before being turned into a woman by force like that, as I wouldn't be me anymore if I lost my memories and personality and who I am.

>>8950103
Transition has no long-term proven benefits.
It's time to put on the helmet again, Spartan.
Stop taking skittles.

Alternatively, stay on the skittles if you think you'll flipflop again, as it's just going to fuck your endocrine system up way worse than just taking the damn things at this point.

But whatever you do, don't go beyond that.

>>8950413
Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness.

>>8950120
Science. Show her the facts. Not all AGPs have dysphoria, and even in those who do very very few should ever transition (Only in cases of transition or suicide as an experimental palliative care method would HRT ever be worth considering)

Don't fucking trap yourself.
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>>8950414
My fucking mind is insane

I can't even trust myself

Friends become enemies
Enemies become friends

It's only a week, fuck the endocrine. I need to be free and become content with doing nothing with my life
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>>8950425
Consider meditation.
You need to clear your head of all this garbage, first step is getting off the skittles if you want to go that route.
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>>8950425
I hope you find what works best for you, if that is with hrt or not.
Your wellbeing is more important and it isn't worth feeling like crap all the time.
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>>8950414
Why would I even consider transitioning if I am not dysphoric? Only for sex that would be dumb as fuck, wouldn't it?
I just wanted to tell my girlfriend to perhaps spice our sex life every now and then. Nothing more.
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>>8950425
Not again! You really need to sort yourself out. This flipping back and forth is unhealthy and makes it impossible to build a life.
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Just burned all my mtfg bridges

Man it feels to good to stop being a nice person
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjmoSucnCq8

I am back.

A blip hormonally this week But test remains my dominant hormone
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>>8951054
I like you but I give up. I can't keep up with the flip-flopping.
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>>8951054
>>8951063
Yep. I'm giving up on Spartan/Amy too.
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>>8951063
>>8951083
I don't need anyone

I'm a Lone wolf
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>>8951029
Hey Amy
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>>8951054
Alright Amy, or I guess it is Spartan again, if that is what it takes to make you happier then go for it.
Lets just hope you don't break down about not being a girl.
I doubt people are going to be as supportive if it does.
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>>8951115
>Lets just hope you don't break down about not being a girl.
It will happen.
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>>8951115
>>8951143
Not when I burn Amy's bridges

Oh you see one person, not for me, I am two.

Imagine that power to simply turn off your empathy and friendship for people, allowing you to wreak havoc on someone's else's social connections

Thats what I get to do
And you know what I will do if she persists, I'll pull us both, self destruct

Bye bye human body. Looks like I win by Samson option.
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>>8951158
Dude, you're scaring me.
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>>8951201
Good. You should be scared.

I am performing spiritual homicide
A trauma so deep it allows me to split of aspects of myself and create an entirely new and stronger version of my self

Amy never had a chance. I will drive the dagger through her heart.
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>>8951158
If you really did burn bridges with your irl group that you could have talked to about this then that is a big mistake.

I considered if the reason for your sudden change in behaviour was down to using a low dose and that meant your T was low and the E was not enough to overcome that but that should take longer than a week.
An event must have caused this and I think you know what I am alluding to. It would be bad taste for me to just shout it out but with typing this I guess I have.
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>>8951273
I burned mtfg and discord support

Irl I will just ghost
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>>8951291
>Irl I will just ghost
What a coward.
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>>8951406
"I'm not transitioning anymore, bye."
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Thank goodness that cold weather is coming around, I get to wear my coat and jumpers again to hide my body.
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>>8951158
sorry, arent you on mood meds for anxiety/bipolar anymore? seriously you need to take care of it regardless of dysphoria
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>>8951672
This definitely seems like some kind of bipolar cycling.
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>>8951694
its pretty common to come in circles, but try not to be too radical
fuck if I know what to do if I can feel manly in the morning and cry over ywn be a girl at night
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How many of repressors have girlfriends?
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>>8951914
Ha, CIA guy is a total hon!
But yes, being too radical is no good. You can't have any kind of life if you're constantly going from one extreme to the other. That's a recipe for a downward spiral into oblivion.
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>>8950425
You know I'm actually just like you except I don't go around shit posting about it. Welcome to being borderline.
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Sometimes I wonder if I'm just severely depressed and want to start a new life. Then again if that was the case I wouldn't have wanted to be a girl since I was like 10. I hate this mental illness.
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>>8941303
Too afraid to live and too afraid to die is this what being a repressor is all about?
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>>8952698
It is kind of being stuck in limbo. It's not a good way to live.
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>spartan leaves /mtfg/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvPSQ0Zw8rg
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So I decided I'm going to kill myself in the next few years because I'm too much of a coward to ever transition not that I would pass anyways
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>>8953053
Kind of a vague timeline. That doesn't sound like a true decision.
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>>8953101
Well I figured I would kill myself in 2020 because well it's 2020 and I also turn 27 that year but I don't know if I will make it there
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>>8953107
I hope you make it and I hope you feel differently then.
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>>8952254
I can't resist the urge
People shouldent annoy me then
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I want to kill trannies
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>>8953613
Me too.
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Gutten morgen
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What is I thinking with people's obsession with the past

Why should I be held accountable for what I did or said in the past?
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>>8953613
>>8953619
i'll start transitioning if you promise to end my suffering
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>>8953916
You're probably the most interesting person on this board honestly
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>>8950809
Just say you're into crossdressing and being treated like a woman.

>>8950850
This is true. Transition or not, flipflopping is worse than even trapping yourself.

>>8951029
>>8951054
Now that's what I call edgy!
Regardless, why the fuck did you hang around /mtfg/ in the first place?
You KNOW they are bitterhons, and you KNOW they are delusional.

>>8951063
I'll always support spartan regardless, transition or not.

I want what is best for people.

>>8951090
Spartan needs noone, but I'm always here for ya.

>>8951115
Transition has no long-term proven benefits.
He just needs to quit flip flopping, STOP FAPPING AND START LIVING!

>>8951143
[citation needed]

>>8951158
Don't fucking suicide.
While "she" may be located in your emotional center, there's no reason to turn off all your emotions entierly.

She will always be there, take that from me, one of the best repressors on this board.

Whatever you do, don't fucking suicide.
Don't trap yourself either.
Stay strong, Spartan.

>>8951223
As far as I know, based on personal experience outright killing "her" won't get you far.

Better to work with "her", but stay in control regardless. You're stronger than "her" and you know it. "She" will always be around - trust me on that one, I've tried to kill "her" myself.

>>8951273
Bullshit broscience.
[citation needed]

Ignoring the BS broscience, something probably did happen regardless.

>>8951291
/mtfg/ is disgusting. Good choice.
They aren't "support". They are delusion.
Never use CuckCord. Only 4chan.
>>8951406
Ghosting isn't "cowardice". It's a logical action to avoid bitterhons.

>>8951476
Bitterhons try to push transition.
Don't trust bitterhons!

>>8951914
>>8951949
This is true. You can't keep flip flopping.
Spartan has to stay. No more Amy, ever.

>>8952610
It's a horrible thing. However, remember you are not your mental illness. We can fight through this.
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>>8954247
>Just say you're into crossdressing and being treated like a woman.
Curehon becoming a little friendlier towards trannies! We're winning her over girls!
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>>8952698
>>8952798
No. Repression is about making a life for yourself regardless of your mental illness.

Transition has no long-term proven benefits.
STOP FAPPING, START LIVING!

>>8953053
Don't kill yourself.
Seriously, you're not a "coward" for not transitioning.

You're being logical, and following correct science.
Stop bashing yourself.
STOP FAPPING, START LIVING!

>>8953101
>>8953107
>>8953120
Regardless of "real" or not, treat all suicidal people the same: as suffering people who need help and kindness.
Don't end it. Start living instead, by trying NoFap.

>>8953613
>>>/pol/

>>8953916
People hold grudges based on the past. That isn't your problem, it's theirs.

>>8953925
Transition doesn't help your suffering. It makes it worse.

If you don't want to suffer, then you should do your very best to find purpose and passion in your life, and better yourself. Start with NoFap.
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>>8954251
Not a hon. The person I was replying to was AGP without dysphoria. Also I'm not a her.

Nice try, bitterhon.
I'm friendly towards anyone that isn't a bitterhon, by the way. Not all trannies are bitterhons.
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>>8954253
at least when you're here this general isn't as dead it's really sad that this place died recently
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>>8954256
It died because /mtfg/ shills made everyone stop coming here. Even I've taken a break from this board for a while.

I'll never stop fighting however.
I'm quite enjoying my break however, been playing vidya again.
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>>8954255
I am not into crossdressing I just like to imagine myself as a girl in sexy times. Actually when I crossdressed only time in my life was only time I experinced something close to dysphoria.
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>>8954261
Ah, I see.
So you want to be treated as a girl by your partner? If so, simply tell her it's a kink of yours.

Purely a kink, if she asks about dysphoria simply tell her you just enjoy the kink, nothing more.
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>>8954269
I did. I said that this is my main kink and I would like to do it like once a week, kind of a lesbo rolle play. And she is still accusing me of being tranner. Well, she cool down after I remaind her that I'm breadwinner.
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>>8954269
Not too hardcore kind of kink. Many men have strapon fun with their GF's and still consider themselves straight. It's not really kinky stuff like zoo or fullscale bdsm.
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>>8954276
Ah. Why does she think you are trans? Just because of a fetish, nothing more?

That's a retarded way of thought, in all honesty.
It's common for cis men to do that sort of thing desu.

>>8954288
Obviously not too hardcore, but a kink is still a kink regardless.
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>>8954295
Women usually react normally to all kind of kinks, until it involves someone else. Offer her swing or threesome - you are likely to get into trouble.
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>>8954295
Because I told her that my main kink is to imagine myself as a woman with her. And that I preffer other kinds than piv - don't like strapon neither.
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>>8954324
Just be careful. Don't let her have an idea of you cheating her with men. So, no gay porn, no gay jokes, no condoms and lube in your pockets.
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>>8954333
I will be. I am not into men at all btw. Haven't watch porn in ages and only lesbo all my life before, haven't used condoms for years neither. Worst thing was when I once slipped purely by accident female form for myself (Swiss) and she remembered that, despite being so long time ago that I didn't even remember.
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>>8954344
You don't have to be into men for her to decide you suck dicks behind her back. The more ridiculous is the suspicion, the harder is to prove you never did this.
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>>8954353
True. Worst thing is that she claim she is mad because I didn''t told her, not because as she claim ''i'm tranner''. I shouldn't have found gf from the city. And she also try to appeal on fact that she teach psychology in high school lol.
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>>8954360
It's bad to be you. Deal with it. She gonna think about you not like "a tranner", but like "passive gay." And for most straights gays are sluts, fucking each other through gloryholes. And if you for some reasons get any problem with your ass - she'll be completely persuaded, tha it is because you take 10 dicks per week.
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>>8954404
Actually she didn't accuse me of being gay not even once. Just a tranny.
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>>8954410
She just didn't say it aloud. Common logic is simple. Tranny=Passive gay=Slut. People just can't imagine, how one may consider himself a woman and not to fuck with men.
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>>8954418
I really don't think that is the case. She know I was quite a womaniser before settle down with her.
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Cure anon

This is the peak of fapping to deal with dysphoria.

>>8954603
>>8954608
>>8954621
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>>8954644
What the bloody fuck is this
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>>8954644
Seriously, that's just feeding your mental illness.
That isn't "dealing with dysphoria".
That person seriously needs NoFap.
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>>8954787
That person found a new way of "no fap"
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>>8954787
>>8954796
No fap don't work. I didn't fap once more than a year (serious relationship so didn't need it) and agp is still here,
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there's no such thing as 'repression' because there are no innate gender identities to 'repress'
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>>8954944
I'm glad Trump got elected.
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>>8954796
Their fapping is literally killing them.
At that point, antiandrogens would probably be healthier in all honesty, and I'm strongly against trapping yourself.

No E however.

>>8954807
NoFap, as far as I know doesn't work that well for non-dysphoric long-term AGP cases unless it's porn-induced. However in dysphoric cases, it can heavily lessen the dysphoria long-term.

Since AGP is a pretty extreme case, it can take up to 2 years NoFap, and if you're feeding the AGP by projecting onto a girl in a relationship, you're still feeding the AGP. If you're just fucking her with no fantasy however, that's fine.

>>8954944
Whether gender identities exist or not, we're still repressing our mental illness.

>>8955045
I'm not a trump supporter personally, but I'm not against him either. He's just there.
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>>8956558
I need fantasy to finish..i am not projecting onto her - I am imagining myself as a girl with her.

Btw: You opinion on causes of agp
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hugg Amy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXckdk_po0M
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yesterday
>I feel good today. Im totally fine with being a guy. I knew im not a tranny. I can't quit hrt but I know this will be the phase.

today
>why is my shoulder so broad
>im too tall
>I dont want to end up hon
>cry as I watch passable mtfs transitioning videos
>write suicide note

Is this normal..?
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>>8953613
don't kys
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>>8957532
it's not normal but i do this too
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>>8951054
you will be back-back. and back.... and back... and back.. and...
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>>8957660
Check the timeline on this, she already went back to mtfg after posting that
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Is AGP cureable? I sometimes go though phases of "LOL I thought I wanted to be a fucking tranny" to "Fuck, at least I might be happier as a 6ft hon" I mean time is running out I am in my early 20's and don't know what to do.
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>>8957568
life is suffering

>>8957679
baka

>>8957698
>AGP cure
anon, for the next 10 seconds, try to not think about polar bear.
.
.
you probably thought about polar bear. The more you try to repress, the stronger it gets. If you are repressing, just take your skittles asap.
If you are non-dysphoric, mild AGP, maybe it can be a phase. Try no fap or get a gf or bf.

You have to understand that AGP is like a sexual orientation. You are attracted to yourself as a girl, even if you have pesudo-bi attraction. If your AGP is too strong, you won't be able to have healthy relationships as a male.
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>>8957767
I've had it for other like 5 fucking years, every time I see a female I get jealous as fuck and want to kill myself.
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>>8957767
>AGP is like a sexual orientation.
>like
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>>8957772
sorry, it will only get worse. Take your skittles now but you can stay in boymode if you can't pass. That is another form of repression I guess..
I think nothing is worse than repressing yourself and let the time consume you with further masculinization as you age.
Even if you regret hrt, you can remove conetits easily with surgery. But you can't go back in time to prevent male aging. I thought I have nothing to lose with hrt.
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>>8957767
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>>8957790
not her but i'm already t-poisoned anyway so i might as well not
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>>8957408
>>>/mtfg/, bitterhon

>>8957532
Transition has no long-term proven benefits.
Stop taking skittles.
Once your testosterone recovers, STOP FAPPING, START LIVING!

>>8956567
And ah, I see. No projection, but require fantasy to finish. That's pretty strong AGP.

Causes of AGP/Trans/Dysphoria are unknown, but AGP is obviously a paraphilia of some sort.

In some cases, it can be porn induced.

Beyond that, can't tell you - I'm a man of science.

>>8957698
Yes, in some cases. Even if not, the best option is always to:

STOP FAPPING, START LIVING!
Transition has no long-term proven benefits.
Don't trap yourself.

>>8957767
Life isn't suffering, once you work your way through the suffering to get to the good parts.

Incorrect, in regards to repression.
My AGP with Dysphoria has gone down to easily managable levels thanks to repression.

Skittling yourself literally makes things worse.
Check the science. Transition has no long-term proven benefits.

In regards to sexual orientation, this is as far as I know correct. Technically a paraphilia, but might as well be a sexual orientation.

PsBi AGP-as-an-orientation myself.
Doing NoFap permanently to solve that problem, as it is as you've said - If you have strong AGP, such as I do, you won't be able to have a relationship.

However, skittling yourself is retarded. It doeen't make you a woman, only a *trans* woman, and even if you pass, inside you'll always know the truth.

You'll never be happy transitioning,

Doesn't seem too bitterhon this one, so
>>>/hrtgen/ would probably be the place for you. Not /repgen/.

>>8957772
Sounds like classic AGP to me

STOP FAPPING, START LIVING!
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>>8957790
I honestly think I would have too good results with HRT tho, the first place I put weight on is my ass and man tits, I have been 6ft 150 lbs all the way up to 220 and back when I went on a gymbro phase to cure my trannyness and it was the last place I finally lost weight.

Maybe I have low T or something, I don't know but I don't want to go to a DR or a shrink and have mentally ill on my medical record.
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>>8957796
Your T will only increase until the age of 35.
Are you ready for that?
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>>8957777
It basically is, effectively.
Still technically a paraphilia.
And not all cases of AGP are exclusively AGP cases. That's only the case for strong AGP.

>>8957790
Skittle shilling.

Boymode HRT is not repressing.
>>>/femgen/

Transition has no long-term proven benefits.
Don't fucking trap yourself, or trust this poster.
You have quite a lot to lose, actually.
Get the facts.

>>8957791
Bitterhon meme + AGP fetish fuel.
>>>/mtfg/

>>8957796
>t-poisoned
Bitterhon meme.
Don't trust bitterhons!
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>>8957807
>telling other people to go away when none of us want you here
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>>8957810
Don't do it.
Transition has no long-term proven benefits.
Seriously. STOP FAPPING, START LIVING!

Regardless, don't have to go to a shrink if you're a tranny, but the odds are they'll find out anyway.
>>>/hrtgen/ for more info on that.

>>8957823
I'm ready. I'm a man whether I have high T or lower older male T.
Always will be. Transition doesn't work.
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>>8957832
Incorrect. Hormone shills and bitterhons are why this general is a lot more dead than before.

You can't silence me, even if others leave, bitterhon.
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>>8957823
how can i stop it without growing breasts and ruining my endocrine system or destroying my bones?

maybe it's already done enough and there's nothing else for it to do
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>>8957842
No, you're the reason it's dead. Stop lying you retarded shitposter. You're not helping any of us.
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>>8957837
t-talk me down from fapping anon, I have a post-op tranny /hc/ thread up and getting the urges.
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>>8957865
I'm not a shitposter, nor am I lying.
Everything I do is to help people get the fscts, and hopefully not transition because transition doesn't work.

Nice try, concern trolling bitterhon.
We all know you're not from here.

>>>/mtfg/, bitterhon.
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>>8957875
>telling actual repressors to go to /mtfg/
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>>8957868
Well, I'd reccomend looking up Your Brain on Porn and other NoFap websites. Just avoid the reddit cancer and you're good.

Additionally, remember that when you fap, it's just as bad as trapping yourself.

Don't fucking trap yourself.
Stop looking at porn. I know it's next to impossible to avoid on 4chan, but still avoid it as much as you can.
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>>8957884
You aren't an actual repressor, neither are any other bitterhons.

You're literally here to promote skittles.
That's not repression.
>>>/mtfg/
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>>8957837
>>8957829
>>8957807
Hey cureanon,
Do you still feel dysphoric while you are "not fapppin and start livin"?
if you are still dysphoric and can't have any healthy relationships, you are a repress-anon. Cureanon does not exist. Cureanon is like religion. You want to believe in it for comfort and hope, but even Blanchard never talked about cure of AGP. But sometimes, just faith is enough to overcome obstacles.
If you really cured yourself, you wouldn't be on this board anyways. Im not advocating hrt nor repression.
I just think that hrt is the only option that I have except kms, but i might one day become spartan again.. who knows.
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>>8941303
im glad this place isnt dead today i felt like shit the past 2 days no one else was here i felt like the last repressor
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>>8957888
thanks, I had a bit of a moment and realized the insanity I am going though, I think 4chan actually planted the tranny seed in me with the early trap threads although my fetishes have gradually gotten more degenerate too.

been on and off since 2008-2009 and it has been downhill from there, started as regular porn, lesbian then chubby bbw lesbians, throw in a little BDSM then onto shit like medical dominatrix BDSM and then.... trannies and traps and it never moved except for some degenerate Black Bible hentai which probably also didn't help the AGP.

again thanks for the therapy session
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>>8957892
>nobody who disagrees with me is who they say they are
With 'logic' like that no wonder you think everything you say is scientific fact.
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>>8957909
Did you watch them because you were AGP? or did watching them cause you to be AGP? or were you born AGP and watching them made your AGP worse?
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>>8957894
I still have low levels of dysphoria when I am doing NoFap and living my life, but they are easily tolerable.

I can have friendships and such just fine.
While my AGP doesn't really let me have a romantic relationship, I'm not really interested in one anyway. I'm ace outside of my AGP.

Cureanon is an idea, not a worldview or a person. It's not a religion, it's based on logical scientific fact. The exact opposite of a religion.

It's not something you need to believe in.
It's logical fact.
Get the facts, read the citations.
Transition doesn't work.

It's not about comfort or jope. It's about the truth. If I wanted "comfort" or "hope", I'd be in the /mtfg/ honbox, not here.

I stick to the facts.

Blanchard's opinion is irrelevant.
AGP exists outside of the AGP/HSTS typology.

I'm not relying on faith, but on logical fact and science.

I haven't "cured" myself, but I seek a cure and a better life for everyone. My advocacy on 4chan is a part of that.

Transition doesn't work, it's that simple.
In cases of suicide or transition, you may potentially consider transition as an experimental palliative care method, only to delude yourself so you can extend your life, not unlike a placebo, except one that has many many negatives.
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>>8957903
There will always be repressors.
You can rely on me being here until i'm dead or this place dies for good. I'll never trap myself.

>>8957909
You're welcome, anon. Need to get off the porn train, "reboot" your sexuality, and START LIVING!

Ugh, black bible. I remember watching that degenerate shit once, never again. Disgusting!

>>8957918
I never said that *everyone* who disagrees is a shill from /mtfg/. But you're way too obvious.

There's disagreeing, and there's having a delusional worldview you can't back up with science.
[citation needed], bitterhon.

>>8957941
Interesting question.
Most of the time, it's porn induced.
In some cases, it's more AGP-as-an-orientation, and NoFap will help a lot but won't outright cure it, which is sadly the case with me.
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>>8957941
porn induced desu, never felt like wanting to be a girl all that much in my teens although I did browse a few trap threads every now and then in my early 4chan days but it kind of developed.
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>>8957868
Link for the love of God
I can't get enough of neo vaginas
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>>8958112
>>8958140
Wtf

Cure anon look
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>>8958145
There's a new one: >>8958169
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>>8958123
>>>/hc/1189856
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>>8958185
Anyone who starts that early is doomed to be hard wired to trap themselves

>>8958198
I love you.
I hope I get this procedure one day...

Gotta start first...
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>>8958185
And another. >>8958195
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I've been too afraid to transition for like 10 years now why do I have to be like this?
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>>8958198
Those are neovaginas? I own a vagina and I've seen many vaginas and 95% of those had me fooled.
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>>8958286
why are you in repgen?!
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>>8958286
Can you dominate me pls miss
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>>8958330
I was browsing /lgbt/ and saw a neovagina link in /repgen/'s latest comments. Was curious.
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>>8958391
I'm a degenerate trans man. Sorry, fren.
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>>8958401
I want one :(
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>>8958404
That's ok. I like men too sir!
I could be your repressed trans bitch

M-maybe you could make me take estrogen?
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Come back magic man...
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>>8958408
Lmao. I can't do that for you. Good luck on your search for such a person.
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>>8958437
Can I still be your subservient little bitch tho
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>>8958454
Sure. Clean your room. 'Cause I said so.
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>>8958460
Right away!
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>>8941303

I am a licensed psychotherapist.

I personally think trangenderism is a disease of the mind and I tend to follow the 'all women are bi, but men are never bi' mindset

HOWEVER

I don't ever bring this into the sessions, I essentially teach from the book on the most widely accepted answers to many questions and the 'scientifically accepted' (regionally, anyway) solutions and stances.

I don't know if it helps, but I feel like no one in this thread assumes the person their talking to on the other side of the room is an actual person with opinions, we are, accept the fact that we're performing a service like a messeus and just fucking relax. All my lesbian and cross dressing clients are fucking strung up like a pinata all the time.
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>>8958490
> All my lesbian and cross dressing clients are fucking strung up like a pinata all the time.

Can you go more into depth on this?
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>>8958490
>I feel like no one in this thread assumes the person their talking to on the other side of the room is an actual person with opinions,
What >>8958502 said for this too.
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>>8958490
you mean you do your fucking job and don't let countertransference ruin the therapy session
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>>8958490
I appreciate you keeping your personal opinions separate from your practice. But I do have to ask, do you really feel confident helping your patients with methods you may not believe? What would you do if you had a transsexual patient?
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>>8958502

Half of my clients that have turned suicidal while already receiving help from me were LGBT, despite making up a fifth of my portfolio.

Despite the stereotype, most people are alright with not becoming overly attached to their therapist, LGBT people are obsessed with prying into my life and seem to only be willing to give up info in equal exchange. I've had four or five obsess through multiple sessions over my opinion on whether being gay is natural, or politics, or if I am or know or am related to or willingly consult with anyone who is xxxist or xxxophobic.

Here's the truth, there's about a third to a half chance that the person you're talking to, whether you're lgbt or something else, does think you're crazy and entertains thoughts that you should be locked up or force fed x or y thing or treatment, just deal with the fact that they are professionals and follow rules controlling how they can interact with you. The therapist could be a member of the KKK after hours and I would wager that A) their care wouldn't change or B) their care would change so noticeably that you wouldn't have to worry about looking for giveaways, just fucking relax.

Honestly, come in buzzed if you need to, I can't tell you to do that irl or I'd get suspended, but please, come in as medicated as you need to be to actually interact correctly.
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>>8958569

>may not believe in, yadda yadda.

Yes, because I play by the numbers. I know I'm probably wrong about some things, I'm just not ever going to be sure about WHAT those things are until I have a change of heart, so I keep my heart out of it.

It's 90% just a job to me. I lost whatever passion I had for helping people a LONG time ago. I wish I could get a gig in a research lab and just lobby for grant money and permissions to stretch the bounds of allowable 'human testing'. I'd rather deal with 100 patients twice than 10 patients 20 times.
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>>8958584
>Half of my clients that have turned suicidal while already receiving help from me were LGBT, despite making up a fifth of my portfolio.
sadly that doesn't surprise me :( lgbt seems to be unique in how openly society says "fuck you for being this way, kys degenerate", and we're often not the most stable to begin with from upbringing issues/repression/lack of self-acceptance
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>>8958561
Lol
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I am depresseedd
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>>8958584
>>8958593
This doesn't reassure me, it just puts me off all therapists whatever their views.
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>>8958584
Thanks very much for sharing. I don't feel so bad now, because I don't grill my therapist like that. I thought a therapist would refuse treatment if a patient harassed them like that. I'm also glad you are a pragmatic professional. Lol at getting buzzed pre-appointment.
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>>8958596

No, but from my experience you guys give wayyyy more of a shit than anybody about that.

You ever had to provide therapy to a fucking 'incel'? That's the only time I've ever considered dropping a patient, holy shit. My whole career and only one.

And he was the only one I met that cared more about 'society's expectations' than my LGBT patients.

Don't worry trannies, lesbians actually tend to give way more fucks than even you. Lesbians are way different when they have an exclusive, sworn-to-secrecy audience.

I don't get many gay guys, maybe one in the last year.
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>>8958612

The guy giving you a back rub is just as disillusioned and hateful as you are, he wants to strangle most of his customers, but you still trust him to rub your shoulders. Just try that comparison.

The only other solution is for 99% of the therapist community to quit their jobs and trust me, you don't want that. Most therapy is pointless, but that still leaves about 1/8 or so who dangerously need it.
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>>8958612
I'm not the therapist. I don't think the true patient-therapist relationship as advertised is even possible. I'm not put off by therapists however, since a real human on the other end is usually better than either a yes-man or a feedgood, don't-be-mean-to-anybody-and-say-affirmations-in-the-mirror kind of therapist. Gritty humanity is preferable to me.
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>>8958628
> Lesbians are way different when they have an exclusive, sworn-to-secrecy audience.

How so? No need to denigrate their reputation to me, but I am curious.
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>>8958606
but it's totally not dysphoria, amirite? :^)
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>>8958635
*feelgood
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>>8958634
I'm not sharing intimate secrets and expecting honest feedback from whatever gigolo is giving me a back rub.
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>>8958643
I don't think so.
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>>8958642

They cry, a lot, almost every time.

You know those old storries about women coming in the forms of the Maiden, Matron, and the Crone? The longer you're in this field the more you respect pagan shit like that.

Almost all lesbians cry about not being able to have babies or having to jump through hoops, a surprising amount would consider leaving their partners to be able to have kids even as single mothers, they all bitch and whine about the STUPIDEST shit, and they all think they look old.

This accounts for like, 75% of the issues and patients, baby issues, mean girls-tier bullshit, and age. Non lesbian women tend to suffer from the same range of shit as their male counterparts, bipolar, anger issues, etc, but most lesbians whether they are butch or not are just 16 year old girls behind closed doors, a lot talk about hiding their feelings from their partners or their other lesbian friends.

I'm exagerating a bit, but I think I could honestly write a chat bot to give lesbian therapy advice at this point.
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>>8958651
the therapist is just following systematic methods. it doesnt matter what they think or feel when giving feedback.
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>>8958651

That triggers me.

You do NOT want honest feedback. Basically no one wants honest feed back in the sense that it comes from the actual person. You need therapy, not Coach from fucking Cheers.

Being honest would impede almost all therapeutic progress, the same way that just doing whatever exercise you feel like or seems fun will help you walk again after an accidents.

Demands of Honesty trigger me sooooo much. I could bitch about this for hours you just don't understand.
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>>8958664
You are therapist?
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>>8958664
Lmfao at the chat bot. I have no read up on the Maiden, Matron, and the Crone. I'll look that up.

Your experience is eye opening. I thought lesbians were supposed to be the relationship master race? Guess not. This shit is funny. If you have more stories on LGBT patients being not what society expects, keep 'em coming (respecting HIPAA ofc).

I wonder what my therapist thinks of me as an FTM.
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>>8958672
Honest feedback from a therapist would be so vile that the patient would implode. Counterproductive.
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>>8958664
it's always fascinated me how central archetypes are to paganism. makes me think Jung was really onto something
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>>8958665
Meh. Give me a pdf of the manual and an online friend with a copy too.

>>8958672
>Basically no one wants honest feed back in the sense that it comes from the actual person. You need therapy
Same thing. PS this is what I mean about not trusting any therapists.
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>>8958688
Jung is damn awesome I read some of them. Can with Jung one also explain how one can develop intense agp but doesn't wish to be woman (at least conciously or rationally) and even find it easier to imagine aging as man
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>>8958682

I'll be honest, a FTM would probably make my quarter, you're relatively rare, but it depends on what your issues are.

I still think you're (in the grand sense) 'wrong' to be trans, but I would definitely give you attention and be inquisitive.

My last, big piece of advice is that if you're coming in for seasonal depression or insomnia, to avoid the cost of a therapist at first and just keep a journal for two to three weeks, right down your activity levels, meals, and how your body tends to just 'feel' throughout the day, almost all seasonal issues fall back on changes to diet and exercise, sleep, or slacking on healthy coping mechanisms that you already knew about.

"Sir, sir, I'm sad when I see dogs/it rains/I talk to my family/after my birthday." is the neurological equivalent of "Doctor, doctor it hurts when I do this!" Try being a normie for a couple of weeks and see if it fixes shit. Depending on your insurance you'll save yourself a good chunk of change.
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No therapist, where did you go?! Impart upon us your sweet knowledge.
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>>8958722
>>8958721
Lol nvm
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>>8958721
>I still think you're (in the grand sense) 'wrong' to be trans,
Why? What exactly are your views on transsexuality?
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>>8958721

Oh, and there's nothing wrong with being a slut. Having upwards of one new sexual partner/week is fine. I'm more worried about my couples who get addicted to swinging.

Threesomes/orgies are also fine, but you should really keep it to the level where you can talk with/get to know everyone you're going to directly interact with. This doesn't change if you're gay/straight, there are some studies about the negatives effects of slutting it up but they're inconclusive and honestly, even if there was some downside you're probably get your due exchange for it in someway.

I don't think there's such a thing as 'sex addiction' ( I do treat for it though, there's a running theme here), but you can become addicted to adrenaline pretty easily. People who can't stop cheating aren't usually doing it for the peepeepoopoo feels but are rather just thrill seekers, take up street racing, involves a lot of prep in between times, scratches the itch, and comes with the benefit of possibly removing your degenerate ass from the gene pool.
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>>8958721
Thanks for the seasonal depression advice, even if it wasn't direct at me. Sunlight is the big factor for me. If I go for a 30 min walk every day, I'm good.

I would so love to discuss your thoughts on the "wrong"-ness of being trans. Not to claim that you're "wrong" either, but out of curiosity. Though I'm about to hop off and go to bed.
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>>8958731

I consider my approach to biology to be genetics/evolution lead, trans people don't tend to reproduce and I haven't seen much evidence for it running in families, or any way to actually detect or screen for it, so I lean sceptic-disbelieving.

To follow that, if you come in and say you regularly talk to god, even if you're 100% fine on the outside and even under study, I'm still going to think you're deranged.
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>>8958739
>I consider my approach to biology to be genetics/evolution lead, trans people don't tend to reproduce
tl;dr /pol/

>and I haven't seen much evidence for it running in families,
As educated as /pol/ too.

>or any way to actually detect or screen for it, so I lean sceptic-disbelieving.
So what do you think it *is*? Giving you the benefit of the doubt here that your answer isn't the /pol/ default "a mental illness" as though that actually explains anything.
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>>8958747

I am fairly /pol/ yes

If that would have done as an answer, you could have just asked that from the beginning.
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>>8958733
This is the most interesting tangent.

>>8958739
Fair enough. The combination of being both anti-theist and "anti"-trans is not one you see often. No surprise that considering trans to be incorrect or morally wrong often overlaps with a religious morality.

Anyway, going to bed. It was nice chatting with you.
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>>8958750
> could have asking from the beginning
Different anon from me, who started the convo. For real, good night.
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>>8958750
Like I said, benefit of the doubt. My mistake, sorry.

So, "mental illness" it is?
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>>8958760

Follow the convo back to the beginning

>>8958490

I literally lead with that.
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>>8958760
What else can it be?
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I decided to say fuck it to myself and bumped back up to full dose hrt to get through the t spikes

Kill Spartan with estrogen!
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>ordered HRT when I really thought I needed to transition
>by the time HRT gets here I feel like I don't need to transition any more

WHOA
cut it real close to becoming a tranny there lads
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Finding out that the gender clinic I was referred to see soon is complete crap is a great start to the day, thought I had a chance of figuring this all out.
At least there is beer I guess, it keeps the suicidal thoughts away.
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This is what happens if you repress till 50.

https://youtu.be/ACVM1BUY8tY

being a lonely business man without a family and paying cisscum lots of money to make you look like hon just so that you get to be hon few hours per week. ughhhhhh CRINGE CRINGE
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I was successfully repressing, everything was just fine, but then about a week ago I went to the cinema with some friends from work, and shit just came back even stronger then before. Just kill me.
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>when you survive the first week t spikes freakout and go into full dose and the estrogen takes dominance

This happiness and feeling of wellbeing makes me so happy

Oh I missed you so much e, I'll never leave again ;.;
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>>8960255
I'm so happy I get to be Amy and the medicine I need to be happy has kicked in again

I get little flutters in my heart
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>>8960281
amy I thought you stopped taking your meds after your freakout in mtfg?
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>fapped again last night to that post-op thread
>zero urges to be a tranny today
wtf do I do, just keep fapping the urges away, I feel like I love being a guy today.
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what the fuck is the point in starting I've locked myself away from absolutely everyone this long and I'm fucking ugly at 28 I can just keep pushing through and stay numb til I die
I mean once my parents are dead my conscience will be clean and I can kill myself
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>>8960999
are you neet or wageslave?
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>>8954247

I remember being here. Reality is gonna smack you hard in the face soon. Just be ready.
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>>8960199
>>8960281

You are trying to find balance between Spartan and Amy, try to achieve it. Embrace both the masculine and feminine. I see too many trans people ignore the concept of the self when dealing with dysphoria.

One thing I learned: Whether I live as a man or woman i'll always be myself. The reason I took blockers and hormones is for dysphoria, so i'll be less miserable.
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>>8960999
same
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>>8960800
I don't know what you do. The danger is that you'll keep getting in deeper and deeper. You might be able to fap away the urge now, but at some point that might stop working. I guess do whatever helps you get through the day.
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