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Sunrise Edition.

Intended to be a no-trips allowed version of /mtfg/.
This is to keep the drama low, and let anonymous people be heard, as well as to avoid the erp/rp that goes on.

It's open for everyone, just behave.

>No trips (or names)
>No avatar fagging
>No erp/rp-ing
>No calling out on trips (or names)
>No "pre-everything" "evaluate me" pics (don't respond to them)

Previous: >>8893331
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Possible interesting articles. Not intended as an endorsement.
http://www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm
https://the-orbit.net/zinniajones/2013/09/that-was-dysphoria-8-signs-and-symptoms-of-indirect-gender-dysphoria/
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria
http://www.juliaserano.com/av/Serano-CaseAgainstAutogynephilia.pdf
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In the past few days, something in me snapped. After crying for a couple of days, I now view myself as a woman, not as a guy who wants to be a woman. I feel much better now, after months of confusion and anxiety about my gender identity and a lifetime of repression.
Sorry for the blogpost, but I have nowhere else to say this.
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>>8950858
It's good you have your identity sorted out. Now you're ready to decide what your next step is.
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pre-everything here, can I post some pics to see if I'll pass?
Also if anyone wants to erp, uwu, I'm down!
mugi is my waifu
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>>8950858
I did the same thing last and it's wonderful, I'm glad you're moving forward cause it's going to be a huge journey.

>>8949628
Where to find cute chubby gay girls

>>8950072
>19 is fine but 20 is hon age
adjust yourself!
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how do I cope with my gross man body until i'm able to start making progress
can't shave my legs until it cools down to pants weather
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who /pickle/ here?
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Do you guys know what procedures I would need to look Asian?
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>>8951541
>Take care of skin
>grow hair out

thats all i can think of atm, sorry. i hope transition goes well for you btw
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>>8951553

have asian parents
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>>8951661
Other than that?
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>>8951666
have asian grand-parents, satan my dude
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>>8951666
I think you're setting yourself up for a political shitstorm imho and I advise against going there. I'd think South Korean plastic surgeons would be the ones to go to if you really wanted this.
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>>8951671
What procedures would a 100% white person get?
>>8951679
What exact procedures would I ask those South Korean plastic surgeons for?
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>>8951689
>What exact procedures would I ask those South Korean plastic surgeons for?
You'd have to find one willing to work with you and ask. All I know is that South Korea seems to be the top spot in Asia for facial plastic surgery.
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>>8951413
If I knew I'd tell you, they just sorta talk to me as friends and get really lewd.
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Do any of you ever doubt yourself whether you're actually trans or not, or whether transitioning is worth it?

For the past couple weeks I've been laying awake at night thinking about how my life has been since I've started on HRT 3 years ago. I was 20 at the time, and needless to say I'm still crippled by depression and how my body looks. I get pretty bad anxiety just going out in public, worrying how I look to everyone. It feels terrible, and I feel like it's holding me back from doing the things I want to do in life.

I was really depressed and suicidal before starting hormones because of dysphoria, and for a year or so I felt relief when I got my prescription. But then I was back to feeling like shit. I often contemplate tossing the pills and just trying to make it through my life as a man, because life is hard enough without tacking on transitioning bullshit on top of it.

On the other hand a part of me still wants to persevere and strive to finish transitioning in hopes of finally being content with my body. Everybody I know treats me as female and I have the support of all my friends and family but I'm still worried that I'll never be happy this way.
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>>8952163
It took me 11 years to get my depression licked. Anxiety got a lot better too but I'm still very introverted and the experience of being trans still holds me back some. I don't have cis-level confidence. Still It's been totally worth it. You just have to stick with it. Try to distract yourself from depressive thoughts. It sounds trivial but you don't want to get in negative loops. I'm at the point where even if I have a bad day or a bad week it doesn't spiral out of control into depression.
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>>8952163
I'm always doubting...
but when I doubt I consider which one I would prefer... Now or back then...
I think you found out already that you think its worth it. Else you wouldn't have gotten this far. You're just afraid. It's like anxiety, you know?
Just keep moving forward...
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>>8952163
Yes but it's just anxiety like that anon said because transitioning and coming out and living as a new person is quite difficult and it's pretty overwhelming when you think about it all at once.
It goes away a little bit once you start building confidence and get your skin tough enough to go outside at all.
For me, thinking about how I felt before accepting my identity and comparing it to how I feel finally being able to look in the mirror and know who I am and what I want to be and am treated as helps me to cope with it. You need to look in the mirror and know you're female to yourself to help make the doubts go away.
Part of it that isn't related to transitioning is just being anxious all the time, which you should be on some medication for if you're depressed, feeling like shit and anxious in public when you rightly should not be, because it sounds like you're pretty set into passing life
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yo looking for gf (male) please respond owo
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If I work this shitty job 60 hours a week for a year I can get 20k I don't pay rent or car payments should I do it to save for ffs
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>>8953965
Go to Brazil. You get ffs, boobs and butt, work in a porn for couple of years and save your money.
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>>8953995
I can't work in porn because it would ruin my reputation as easy as the money is and also I don't know about the quality of the foreign ffs doctors
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I want to fuck the boipussi
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>>8954014
Quality is the same everywhere, but ffs in Brazil or Thai is much cheaper, than in US, and a bit cheaper than in EU. Backdraw is that they mostly do ffs to pornstars and prostitutes, and you are going to look like a slut.
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>>8954033
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>>8950625
what is the ideal bmi for a trans girl? I want to be skinny but I don't want to lose potential boob growth from weight loss.
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>>8955165
Be skinny and get implants. Fat tg's look pathetic, so better be slim with small boobs, if you can't afford large ones.
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>>8955203
its so hard to lose weight while on hrt. I miss my pre-hrt metabolism
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>>8955225
If others can do it, you can do it too. And you gonna feel yourself better not worrying about thought, that you are overweight.
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>>8955225
It is hard, I've struggled for years, but I've dropped 30 pounds since April. This time I'm motivated. It's hard to lose on HRT but you can do it if you push yourself.
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>>8955567
That's pretty good! Aside from calorie control and better foods, do you just cardio?
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>>8955853
Hiking is my main exercise. I've made a point of doing a lot more hiking this year. Combined with watching my diet better, it's getting rid of a lot of weight, and I'm in better shape. My pulse is consistently in the 70s, but it was in the 80s before.
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>tfw on page ten
threads committing sodokooo
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>>8959484
This thread has been slow, but all the troll threads that push good threads down don't help.
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I'm in boymode currently and I need a new haircut (short hair). What should I get to look better? Preferably something that won't out me as mtf.
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I'll be moving to the south soonish (north carolina)
how lynched am i if i attempt girlmode at some point, likely wont pass great
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>>8960780
I'll let you know when I get the nerves to ever go out in girlmode
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This is me just wearing make up, 18 and I'm not on any hormones, should I go for it? I've always wanted to be a girl
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>>8961207
Nice photo, I assume it was done using the newest microwave?
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>>8961214
Yeah my phone is fucked atm, I'll try to get a better picture
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>>8961214
Here you go, hair's still wet because I just washed it
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>>8961237
Go to /passgen/.
No "buts".
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>>8961245
Huh? I haven't even started HRT or anything. T-thanks anon
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This guy approached me today before telling me how he thought I looked amazing, he gave me his number. I was really flattered, but I dont think Im gonna call because he said that he almost got a job pimping and hes arabic.

I have a lot of arabic men messaging me on FB too, am I being targetted for human trafficking or something or are arabic men just bold?
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If I get married to a transgirl and want kids what happens?

Would you feel like you were getting cucked if I had a kid with a surrogate and you and me took care of it?
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>>8961525
>not having your wife's preserved pre-transition sperm used for it
psh
who's the cuck now daddy?
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Does anyone have one of the butt routine pics or the how to become a trap things? Im tired of my flat butt. :(
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>>8961525
she should plan for it early
>>8961533
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>>8961324
I wouldn't trust arab men at all. They're not known for being progressive in their treatment of women and lgbts.
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I got someone pregnant and then started transitioning.
I stand by my life choices.
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>>8961860
ok?
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>>8961860
manly as fuck
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>>8961533
Fuck didn't think of that, but I think you'll find freezing sperm is more expensive than you think.

Okay then what if we both each had a kid?
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>>8961904
oh
yeah that sounds good, I'd be down with that
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>start assembling girl wardrobe
>wear small in mens
>discover this means large in women's
>you are not actually a cute, petite skinny girl even though you are a cute small framed skinny guy
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>>8962001
wrong that's because women's clothing presents unrealistic standards
like big titties never getting cute bras
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>>8961858
Eh I mean how bad can a man who beats you be? Atleast you know he cares.
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How many of you are in Carth's Harem?
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>>8962408
Carth has a Harem? I always assumed he made just used alternate browsers to anonymously flatter himself. If people actually fall for the 50yr old manlet then I honestly think they are retarded. Seriously the guy still basically lives in his moms basement. Those girls need to work on their self esteem, it does not get any worse than Carth xD.
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he just used*
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how do I come out to my coworkers? there are only 5 people in the company including me and I don't know any of their views on transgender people. also they're all guys which makes me incredibly uncomfy considering that I tend to associate with women much more frequently then men now a days. help
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>>8962313
Eh, that's not my thing.
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Anyone know more about what's going on in this graphic? The translation is "new vagina/neovagina" on top, and loosely "penis skin + scrotum skin grafting vagina creation method". It looks like the neovagina here goes past the peritoneal reflection and is routed around the side of the rectum. Seems a bit scary and unnatural.
I had SRS and it just goes up to the peritoneal reflection and stays between the bladder and rectum.
This picture looks like a way to get extra depth but deviates from the path a cis vagina takes, and seems like it would have an increased risk of complications and prolonged recovery.
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So what're y'all planning on doing for Halloween? I'm thinking of going to one of the big parties in my town, but going alone seems... kinda sketch. Even if it means possibly meeting cuties.
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>>8962801
Sorry to be a party pooper, but nothing, as usual.
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I look like a psychopathic killer :(
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First time posting on this board, I've just hit the 2-week mark on HRT. Currently on spiro + oestradiol patches. I'm excited and nervous and it's hard to fully know what to expect emotionally and mentally, any advice?
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>>8954040
Why would that be a bad thing having a thot face would easily help in passing. I'd have to see good results to consider it desu like ffs is really stressful it seems impossible to find a surgeon that can work miracles. Plus I'd be okay with doing porn I'm already a slut getting pounded on camera is my fetish so I'd actually enjoy it.
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>>8962801
forgetting that it's halloween
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>>8963584
welcome to hell
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>psych took me off hormones because meme
>realize im hon forever

i think im done with this thing

does it count as detransing if you never actually transitioned in the first place
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How do you start loving yourself in the face of the fact that the entirety of your self esteem is based on what other people think?
regardless of whether i'll ever pass/be pretty or not, i think that this is a good goal, because i feel the need to validate almost everything i do with other people
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>>8961253
"Go to /passgen/" means "go to the thread specifically for asking whether you pass" >>8957919

Also take the picture from a front-on angle without your hair in your eyes so people can see your face properly, and preferably include a profile shot too. You have your head down and your eyes looking up into the camera like you're in a Stanley Kubrick movie.
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>>8963639
>meme
what?
how can you be done with it? how could you possibly ever want to go back? having to pretend and act like you're not who you really are

>>8963672
stop basing all of your self-esteem around what other people think
here's a true meme but there's no way to get around it
You need to like who you are before other people will like who you are
now it's not a binary thing because good friends and good people won't be judgmental shits but if you go outside and you're scared of every eye that passes by you, you'll stay where you are and not progress

Don't you like anything that you do? No favorite clothes? Dislike how you look? Your hobbies? Don't think you're interesting? Start at the base of an issue you have with yourself and figure out what you do like about yourself, and then explore it.

If you want to not need other people's validation you need to be confident in yourself to do things without it.
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>>8964211
I agree with this. Being dependent on other people's approval and not liking yourself are a really bad combination. You have to be able to accept and like yourself. Put yourself first and find self-esteem and validation from within.
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I feel so close to having the nerve to approach my mom about trans stuff but I'm not entirely sure what to actually. She's a retired nurse and health oriented, but also kind of old/old fashioned/definitely not perfect. How do I get her to understand?
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summer is starting here
tips on going to the beach/pool please
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>>8964649
don't
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>>8964649
SRS
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>>8964725
i already bought a swimsuit, im planing on using some kind of skirt to hide it
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>>8964649
you don't
little kids don't deserve to be eye raped by your disgusting hormone fucked body

dont do it
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>>8964738
you are so much braver than me
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i HATE transbians
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>>8965080
You mean trans who ONLY likes trans people?
Im bi, I dated a trans but we broke up and now i rather date a guy (or a girl may be fine too)
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>>8965550
trans girls who only like girls
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>>8965571
trans "girls" who only like girls. I think trans lesbians exist, but they are a different category from what I like to call transbians
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>>8965588
???
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>>8965655
Basically any trans girl who transitions after 21 is a transbian. I think it's possible to be both trans and a lesbian, but they are far more rare than people think they are.
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>>8951545
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>>8964871
I havent do it yet, so im not much braver yet
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I need to schedule a mammogram because I'm starting to get older and I'm at the age where you're supposed to get them. I'm scared. It'll probably be clean, but dealing with breast cancer and having to stop taking HRT would be horrible. I know I'll probably be all right but the whole thing really has me worried.
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>>8965666
anon youre not making any sense. The only transbians I hate are trans girls that will only date other pre-op trans girls. theyre as bad as chaser and super invalidating
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>>8970466
Many chasers are repressing trans. If they stop repressing they might turn into the type of transbian you dislike.
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so is it normal to hyperventilate when you see your face for trans girls?
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>>8972224
i just get depressed
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>>8972428
yea, same, i just feel like why am i even fucking trying?
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>>8972494
i'm still boymode so rip
sometimes i will feel confident but then i look closer and am crushed
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Tfw realized as a kid want to be mulan and now I look like a teutonic knight.
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>>8972510
Better than looking like Ragnar lothbrock
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>>8972514
Since than I constantly kept praying to god and demons that they will turn me into a woman or make those feelings go away.
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>>8961324
If you call him you deserve the decade of degradation and slavery that will follow before you're killed or commit suicide. All muslims are down low homos and are absolutely desperate to fuck white trannys but they regard you as far less than an animal.
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So what's the deal with detransing/regretting it afterwards? I've come out to my family fairly recently in the grand scheme of things, and recently they've been talking about that stuff a lot. Like for example, my mother sent me this article just today
http://www.thestranger.com/features/2017/06/28/25252342/the-detransitioners-they-were-transgender-until-they-werent
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>>8975567
This is what happens when people try to say that "transgenderism comes in all kinds of manifestations". I don't think there should be more gatekeeping, but there should be a better way of determining whether a person actually wants to be the opposite gender or if they are doing it for other reasons. Traditional gatekeeping is archaic and only serves to put actual transgender people into suffering, but there really needs to be an overhaul in the way we diagnose it.
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>>8975627
Agreed. I'm sick of this two-types shit. There is one type of trans person.
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>>8975758
The two-type bullshit isn't practiced anywhere in the medical realm though, so that's not the issue.
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>>8975764
The issue is that both are encouraged to transition even though the one isn't a type of transsexual.
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>>8975775
Neither exist but okay
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>>8975775
This! Literally why should AGPs be allowed to transition? They’re just doing it to jack off to themselves
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>>8975807
>AGPs
>not a type of transsexual
How do you figure?
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Arguing about AGPs and HSTSes is a useless waste of breath. The real issue is femboys and nonbinaries. They're playing games with HRT and are at a high risk of making irreversible changes that they'll regret.
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>>8975807
Read Vitale article from begging of the thread dumbass. And when I saw cis agps posting they all said that have zero interests in transition (despite I found cis agp paradox and don't know what is the deal with those peeps).

>>8975998
Those people also make trans people seen as mad.
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>>8975998
I think about this every time I see femgen. Fucking around with hormones isn’t a good idea
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>>8975998
>femboys
HSTSes.
>and nonbinaries
AGPs.
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>>8976033
Nonbinaries are 80% female according to the 2015 US Transgender Survey, page 45. Some femboys end up identifying as trans but if they're identifying as femboy they're not identifying as trans at that time.
Drop the superfluous Blanchardianism.
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>>8976029
>Fucking around with hormones isn’t a good idea
t. /pol/
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>>8976068
>Nonbinaries are 80% female according to the 2015 US Transgender Survey, page 45.
AAPs*
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>>8976033
Stop bringing Blanchard nonsense into it. /lgbt/ needs to cut off with that bullshit.
>>8975998
I feel like a lot of femboys and enbies are just repressing trannies.
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
i want to fucking die!!!
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I'm tired of genetic women. I have one question for you, ladies.

When you transition, do you adopt all the traits of the feminine gender?

I won't say what exactly got me fed up, but I want to read your answers.
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How to do anal? I want to do it but I don´t want to hurt myself. inb4 google
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>>8978684
same tbhon
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>>8979219
lots of lube
a smooth long object with no rough edges that is a good size for you, like normal dick size
after this, slowly insert it, go slow, maybe warm yourself up with your fingers first, just keep going slow until you feel comfortable and can go faster
if you are doing it with a person, then just do all that stuff but with a person
just remember, lots of lube
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>>8978887
I'm not sure what you mean by adopting traits. I just act naturally, and I've tried to adopt a practical style that I like and doesn't stand out too much. You're always influenced by the people around you too. If you hang out with a certain crowd you can end up with a different style and habits than if you associate with a different crowd.
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what's the best method of hair removal for the price? i have somewhat fair skin and dark facial hair. how do i know the people at the place know what theyre doing?
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>>8978887
hello redpill

>>8979219
get a buttplug or a prostate massager to practice
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>>8975775
they're both transexual

AGPs just repress their femininity during childhood, develop a male sexuality, and see femininity as taboo and out of reach, hence the fetish/sexual arousal.

AGP and HSTS are just different paths of the same thing
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How do you deal with the disconnect between your mind and body when boymoding? I’ve been feeling dissociated lately because of it. Can anyone relate? I might just start treating it like an act or something.
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>>8980401
>AGP and HSTS are just different paths of the same thing
[citation needed]
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>>8981711

It’s just common sense.
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>>8981717
:^)
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>>8975775
>>8975807
>>8981711
>White Matter Microstructure in Transsexuals and Controls Investigated by Diffusion Tensor Imaging
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4699258/
>The results of this study show that the white matter microstructure in FtM and MtF transsexuals falls halfway between that of FCs and MCs. Our data harmonize with the hypothesis that fiber tract development is influenced by the hormonal environment during late prenatal and early postnatal brain development that is proposed to determine gender identity.

>Here, we investigated whether sexual orientation associates with diffusivity measures. No effects on our main findings were observed when sexual orientation was regressed out in the ANCOVA design. Moreover, there was no significant effect of sexual orientation on diffusivity parameters in the regression analysis including all subjects and using group as factor of no interest.

Both gynephilic and androphilic gender dysphorics have feminized brains, before hormones.
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>>8981691
it is an act, but know when you look in the mirror it's still a girl and it's going to get better
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curios, what's you girls opionion of rapid onset gender dysphoria? Is it a load of shit or does it have some validity?
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>>8981691
Are you perma-boymode? It's been a long time, but when I was still doing boymode the things I told myself is that it was only temporary and would be over soon because I had a transition schedule planned. The other thing was to spend as much time girlmode as possible.
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>>8982138
Please define that. I don't know what you mean. It doesn't sound like anything that matched my experience though.
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>>8982149
Basically the "they didn't show any signs" sort of thing. Like all of a sudden at adolescence to late adolescence suddenly you start feeling that's way. Like is it bullcrap and just a phase or is it a real thing?
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>>8982138
>>8982183
It's a term invented by transphobes in an attempt to present young dysphorics as illegitimate. It is very common for dysphoria to only strike once one reaches puberty because that's the point when the bodies of boys and girls start to develop in radically different ways.
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>>8979296
This isn't very helpful.

>>8980235
And this is just offensive.
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>>8982257
>This isn't very helpful.
I didn't think it would be but I didn't set about consciously "adopting traits" other than dressing in ways that fit in with the people around me. I'm the same person I always was, I just look different and I don't have to inhibit my behavior like I did.
I was trying to adopt traits, or at least give the appearance that I was, was from about 6th through 12th grade when I was trying to be more masculine to cut down on bullying. That didn't work too well.
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>>8982183
I consider myself early onset, but puberty did intensify my dysphoria considerably because my body was getting rekt by testosterone.
I think if you could examine the childhood in detail of someone with "late onset" or "sudden onset," I think you would see earlier signs, just maybe not as strong as someone with early onset.
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>>8982073
>>8982140
Thanks, anons. I think I'll try to make a schedule
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Bump
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I've wanted to be female for a long time but I feel like I'd be wasting the time of therapists/health system if I had sessions booked.
I just checked my hairline after a year of avoiding it since my hairs so long now and it's definitely masculinizing which is making me panic right now.
Do therapists look down on people like me?
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>>8985593
no they do not look down on you, unless they are a bad therapist then you need to go to another
you go to them for help and they help you
if this is something you are sure about, see a therapist and they will make sure you are sure and help you do what you need to
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>>8985640
Sorry I meant look down on upon gender questioners rather than trans people.
And yeah I'm not sure about this at all which is why I'm hesitant but I feel like if I don't at least try to talk to somebody about my feelings irl and can get a professional opinion I'll end up regretting it more than I currently do now.
I'm hoping that they tell me that I'm not trans and I can start trying to build my life up since my attempt to tell myself that I wasn't trans last year did not get rid of the fear/problems and they've just become worse.
Is it a part of their job to tell people like me that I'm not trans? Or would they consider their time wasted?
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>>8985773
no, talking to a therapist about issues you want to deal with and discuss is not time wasted
they are there to discuss whatever it is you are having trouble with and help you
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>been stealth for about 4 years
>same time I started with current job
>recently promoted to team lead
>took small vacation and came back to see who they hired as my replacement
>clearly autistic and very annoying transgirl
>she just started hormones
>I know this because she tells fucking everyone immediately, including customers
>constantly telling people about her transition and reveals too much about every other aspect in her life in general
>how the fuck did she get hired?
>apparently she's some higher up's daughter so they pretty much had to hire her
I used to think it would be nice to work another transgirl, there are plenty of lesbians at work but they're all cis. This girl is going to drive me fucking insane though, and we can't fire her
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>>8985875
thats retarded
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>>8985875
The joys of nepotism.
>tfw I wish my father could hook me up with a nice job.
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>>8985875
>ywn be daddy's little girl (male) and get set up with his employees
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>>8950858
Humorously enough I'm having a similar kind of reaction to something that recently happened and left me depressed beyond belief. I was completely terrified of the thought of changing my name, Even to the point of justifying myself by saying "Oh its an andro enough name, I can make it work"

Well simply because my name reminds me of this heartbreak, I'm killing it, and I'm going to embrace the name I've wanted for a long time, but been too afraid to take on.
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/tgg/ how do I become more fashionable?
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>>8987304
Experiment with thrift store clothes, pay attention to what women your age are wearing, especially if you see someone who's style you like. Fashion magazines aren't as popular as they used to be but they're still out there, and there are websites. Browse catalogs and shopping websites. If you see a stylish looking clerk at a clothing store ask her for help. Ask female friends for help, etc. Be observant and pay attention to details.
You are going to have to experiment and make some mistakes. That's where thrift stores can help because the clothes are so cheap.
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>tfw going to a support group tomorrow

How often are they actually like pic related?
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>>8988599
I went to my city's support group and it was full of older women. It was alright, but I could really relate to anyone. Luckily, there's also a "young adult" group who's interests match up with mine a bit more.
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How do you feel about using feminine names and pronouns when you don't pass, or even when your boymoding? I haven't told anyone I'm trans, but I go to a support group and they seem to prefer calling me my girl name. I don't know what to do. On one hand, it makes me happy, but on the other I just don't think I deserve it.
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>>8988599
Funny, me too. See you there, Alice. :^)
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>>8988724
i feel the exact same way, i live with my aunt and she insists on using female pronouns and name with me even tough i don't pass at all
i don't feel like i deserve it and it makes me cringe like crazy
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>>8988863
At least she's supportive.
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>>8988762
what

What state?
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>tfw tranny
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can anyone help me out here?

Im fairly new at shaving my legs and no matter what I do I always end up with red bumps all over my thighs. I exfoliate before and after i shave. I do two passes, first with the grain and then against. what am I doing wrong?
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>>8991036
>tfw tranny with conetits that remain unfondled
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>>8991166
i have this feel
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>>8991159
only go with the grain, never against
you wont get bumps and ingrowns
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I won't be able to afford SRS for a while, but masturbating with my dick like a dude makes me want to kill myself. Anyone have any suggestions for a vibrator? I don't know if I'll love it so I am afraid to drop a lot of money.
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>>8991751
magic wand is always good
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>>8991728
thanks i'll try that next time
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>>8991835
>>8991728
On your thighs go with the grain, on my legs I find the hair can take going against after the initial run with the grain. Groin you can only go with the grain around your genitals though.

>>8991751
15-20$ silicone vibrator from Amazon or drop more money on something with a ring to go around your head.

Try masturbating only playing with the head of your penis, two fingers on the urethra/very tip. Feels better than a jerking motion and it's a little how vibrators feel like on the tip.
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>>8991751
I don't have a vibe but I just stroke myself without gripping so it's not so dude-like or even stroke through clothes so I don't have to see anything.
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>>>/lgbt/femgen told me to post here:
I am an autofemboyphile with partial anatomic and transvestic autogynephilia. Is anyone else here like this?
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>>8993113
wat
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>>8993204
What?
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Well look at that. You guys dont look half bad with a bit of makeup.
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>>8993113
If femgen told you to post here they must think you're trans and not a femboy.
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>>8993320
What do I do then? What are the implications of this?
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>>8993328
The implications are that they think you're a girl and should transition. I don't know enough about you to have an opinion on that, but it would be interesting to know exactly what you're posting that would cause them to think that and to send you over here.
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>Do any of you ever doubt yourself whether you're actually trans or not, or whether transitioning is worth it?

Yeah I'm the same boat here.

I'm going to be 22 soon, I hate my body, and I'm just not sure about all this trans stuff.

At night is when I really start thinking about it, but in the end the answer is the same I just don't know.

I'm pre-everything still unsure about well everything and mostly just looking for info.

Maybe I'm just delusional.

>>8952163 Keep me posted if you get more info.
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>>8993346
I had posted on there the same comment that I posted here. Do you think what I posted makes me a girl instead of a femboy?
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>>8993360
If that's all you posted then I don't know what to think. You'll have to give us some more details.
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>>8993398
What more details do you want?
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>>8993546
I'd like to know more specifically about what kind of dysphoric feelings you have. Would you want to have been born female? Have you ever taken HRT or would you like to start? What kind of body do you want? How do you want to be treated by other people? What age did your feelings start? What kinds of people are you attracted to? Etc.
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>tfw i will never met somebody as interesting as my ex
she knew a lot of everything except how to treat a gf
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>>8997477
you don't know that
maybe you will bump into someone who can give you what you need in a person
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Bump
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all of you deserve hugs and cuddles <3
except for the SLUTS!
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Was watching netflix, and started thinking about dating and a bf... I wonder if it'll ever happen :c

>>8955165
If you have good fat distrobution then maybe BMI 20-23?
If not, then get skinny, something like BMI 16-18. Still requires you to not have too bad of a bone frame, but that more or less goes the same even if you're not skinny.
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>>9000954
>BMI 16-18
I don't think that's healthy, and you won't have fat to femininely distribute.
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>>9001195
If the fat distro isn't feminine then you don't want fat to be distrobuted.
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Sigh, this netflix show (mindhunter) is really getting me thinking about relationships, and everything that comes with it, it's probably the suites...
Lots of fantasies, but when actually thinking about it it's really sad... It'll probably never happen.
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>>8951553
Eat shit brooke
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>>9000954
>>9002683
Why does nobody want to talk about this?
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>>9004804
netflix is for plebs
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>>9005311
Not about netflix.
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>>8951553
You know they have vaccines for yellow fever right?

>>8951553
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I was borderline black out drunk yesterday and got a hold of someone I dated in highschool. I ghosted her after she moved, twice. Well, he now. He is dating someone else, and didn't want me to go.
Should I have kept talking? Also what are the odds that we both turned out to be tranny faggots?
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>>9005534
So you're mtf and this friend is ftm? Maybe your transdar drew you to each other.
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>>9005598
Yeah, maybe. He transitioned right after 18, and I'm just now @21 starting cause I thought I could beat it.
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>>9005610
There was a boy I hung out with sometimes that I have my suspicions might have been mtf but I have no idea what happened to him. Maybe he transitioned?
There was another guy who was definitely not trans, but I wonder if I should have come out to him. He seems to be some kind of corporate exec now. I took a road trip with him once to Niagara Falls - a big honeymoon spot. Fuck.
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Hi
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>>9006002
ha, good meem
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I mostly ignore my trans feelings and have been doing so for a couple of years now but I just tried the FaceApp thing for the first time and it hit me hard. I had to put my phone down. It instantly turned me into a beautiful 100% passing woman. I feel like I'm gonna be obsessed with just taking pics of myself and staring at the female filter.

Is it a good sign that the app turns me into such a nice looking girl or does it make everybody pass/beautiful? I'm staring at the differences and it doesn't seem to change my face-shape much.
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>>9006687
the shit litterally doesnt even fucking work for me. my face is so badly fucked that the female filter just fucks up and makes me look like a baby and the actual picture looks like if you went into a good photo editing program and used the blur tool at random.
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>>9006687
Dont use faceapp. You will never look like that, it changes your facial shape. If you wanted to look like that youd need facial surgery.
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>>9006753
If it makes you feel any better, none of the pictures I've taken since then have been as good as the first two.

>>9007862
Like I said, I was trying to spot differences in the faceshape and there didn't seem to be a lot. But I suppose a few subtle changes are enough. And I have no plans to transition anytime soon, so I don't see the harm in using the app. It makes me feel good.
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>>9007914
why don't you want to transition?
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>>9007862
Impossible facial surgery*
Part of what it does is make your eyes wider set, if you happen to have narrow set eyes.
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>>9007975
I want to, I've just come to terms with my situation. Transitioning would upheave my entire life and I'm not independent enough (especially financially) where I can isolate/support myself. At the moment, I have to go to campus and I have to see my family, neither of which I'd be at all comfortable doing while transitioning.

I recently moved out and I'm hoping to move again next year to somewhere on my own (sharehouse at the moment) where I can focus on practicing stuff like makeup and voice, and getting a therapist again. It's very hard to imagine myself in a position where I can start HRT. Mostly I just don't think about it.
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>>9007975
d/a I won't transition because it won't make me cis or pretty.
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I want a daddyyyyyyyyy
>Those big, thick, manly hands going to your neck when kissing
>Able to take a firm grip around you
>That authority
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>>9008097
>>9007914
>>9006687
Okay maybe it wasn't such a good idea afterall. I've saved some of my favourites and now I keep opening my phone every few minutes just to stare wistfully at them lmao
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My boyfriend came out as trans to me last night. I'm bi anyway so I'm pretty cool with it, but it's so surreal right now. What do?
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>tfw losing an argument and I feel worse towards the one other person on my side because they referred to me with male pronouns

Well on the plus side I'm now certain I have dysphoria.
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>>9008716
be respectful and start asking questions and communicating?
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lol oops I was typing this for the "FFS is a meme" thread, but it got archived right before I was going to post. Thought I might post it somewhere anyway.

>

Saw a couple posts about Spiegs, I went to him a few years ago and just wanted to throw in a couple cents.

I already looked alright, some people questioned if I really "needed" any ffs. I did a lot of research/ reading reviews/ looking through pictures/ reddit shit. I just wanted conservative stuff done so there weren't any obviously masculine features. So the research I did told me Spiegs was skilled and did very good conservative work, and he seemed right for what I wanted.

Ended up doing trachea and brow and was happy with the results. The people who say one surgeon or the other is universally the best are the people you have to filter out or weight their opinions. I still think he was right for me and what I wanted, but I don't know if he'd be any good at all for miracles/ hon-tier needs. He might be absolute shit at aggressive FFS.

"FFS works miracles" is a meme just like "FFS is a meme" is a meme. The point is to do your own research for your own face, even if that means posting your picture for people to judge and give opinions.

I went to McGinn for dickchopoff even though memers were meming The Miracle Chonburi Shuffle 100% Cis Vageenu Thailand Technique HEAVILY at the time. Considerable research led me to conclude she was right for me, especially after seeing direct examples of results from people who were honning on about Thailand ("I'm ecstatic about the results!" person/ people looked just disgusting).

Both surgeons were a good choice for me. I'd go back to both and probably will go back to Spiegel if I ever have the disposable money to do a couple more things.
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>>9008716
be supportive
use the right pronouns
listen to them
offer lots of cuddles (V IMPORTANT)
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>>9009361
Doing my best. I asked about pronouns, but he's still presenting as male and not sure about pronouns, so for now I'll probably be sticking to he/him until I am told otherwise. More cuddles will be arranged. Thanks for the input!
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>>9009406
He seems really lucky to have you! Is she on HRT yet?
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>>9009432
Thank you! Not yet, I'm the first person he's ever told, so I think this is kind of the starting point. I plan on supporting him whatever he decides to do though and have an appointment with my therapist on Wednesday and maybe she can help us find someone for him to talk to.
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Getting more depressed, and got nothing to do.
Can't even find any good tv shows to watch...
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>>9011008
Is there anything you've been putting off that you can work on?
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>>9011043
Yeah, lots, but don't want to.
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>>9011063
iktf
I guess you could always shitpost on 4chan.
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>>9011008
>>9011063
You gotta force yourself to do anything when you're depressed, it's a slow crawl upwards.
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So I always before I was out of my shell as an egg used to play roleplaying games as female characters, and when I was in my early teens I had an imagination thing where I imagined I had turned into a girl, but I always vehemently opposed any suggestion I was a girl. Is that something anyone else did?
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>>8976029

I agree that the thought of fucking with your endrocrine system is a scary one, everyone who says hormones are dangerous never explain exactly what they think is bad about it?

Ftm's definitely, due to female parts reacting negatively.

Mtf's I mostly just here about liver issues which can be avoided if you're not a tardigrade.
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>>9012181
Yeah. It honestly pisses me off how I didn't realize sooner. There were so many signs. I blame my upbringing.
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>come out to someone
>"oh I already knew"
reeeeeeee what a waste of time and energy. I literally had panic attacks over this for nothing kill me
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>>9012181
Yeah, tho i didnt oppose it. People made fun of me for liking girl toys as a kid and for wanting things like that as a kid/teen. For being girly. That only made me worse ofc.
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>>8950625
What is that website people post all the time that shows your proportions compared to samples of men and women? It's got yellow dots for women and blue dots for men, I think, if I'm remembering correctly. I want to plug my info into it to see where I land but I can't find it on google. Can anyone help?
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>>9013009
How could they know?!
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>>9015350
probably just assumed
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>>9015475
Why?!
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xthe sobbing fat tranny with a nose ring its anime style, with purple hair and its fapping and dressed up like an animu girl

also it has a thought bubble going up to the idea of being a real anime girl? ...
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>>9015520
think about it
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>>9015597
Courtney?!
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>>9015317
http://anthro.cs.uni-freiburg.de/#colx=100&coly=124
I've been OPing most of the recent threads. I'll put this in the OP post next time I start a new thread.
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>>9015735
Thanks, but I guess this means I have no idea how to measure myself properly, because there's no way my shoulders are 50cm wide.
My height and weight are within the female group though so that's good.
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how are women's t shirts supposed to fit? I have one that looks like it fits pretty well when my arms are down but when I raise my arms my stomach kinda gets exposed. I do not know how to feel about this because the shirt looks fine as long as I don't need to reach up. I've never had a men's t shirt behave like this.

I'm overthinking this, aren't I?
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>>9016000
Well we can't really tell you anything if you immediately delete the file
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>>9016065
sorry about that. i figured it out myself. the shirt is definitely too small. I didn't delete the whole post because i though it might still spark some discussion or something
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>>9012803
>It honestly pisses me off how I didn't realize sooner. There were so many signs
There are photos of me as a young child both in a tutu and in full-drag with the biggest fucking grin on and I still didn't start questioning until I was like 21.
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>>9016234
>>9012803
same. crossdressed and constantly imagined turning into a girl as a kid, but didnt really question til 20 was in denial till 22, and then continued repressing even after that until 26. so much time wasted.
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>>9016266
I'm still in the repressing/denial phase now sorta, and I'm 24. I embrace it in some ways like practicing makeup, and I plan to get my face lasered at the end of this year, but I'm no closer to HRT than I was 2-3 years ago.
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jizz tastes awful
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I'm 21 and I think I might be trans.
Did you find the experience of coming to terms with being trans and therefore wanting to transition difficult to believe?
Beyond being dysphoric/wanting to be a girl that is.
Did you ever think, why did it happen to me?
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>>9016322
Heretic!
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>>9016322
if i am horny it tastes alright to me
>>9016332
yea, except the why did it happen to me thing, i mean this happens to some people, and so me being a people, am someone it could happen to
asking why is kinda senseless
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>>9016322
It depends. Mine tastes just like boogers...
>>9016332
>Did you find the experience of coming to terms with being trans and therefore wanting to transition difficult to believe?
I think that's common. It'll make sense to you eventually. I hope. Therapy probably helps hasten that process.
>Did you ever think, why did it happen to me?
Well, yes and no. It's not being a woman that I wish didn't happen. If I wasn't a woman I wouldn't be me. B-but I do wish my body matched my mind a bit better. Most of all, though, you shouldn't blame yourself for your trans issues. You wouldn't be asking "why did it happen to me" if being trans was more understood and acceptable in modern society.
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>>9016332
Yes, that was exactly me. Kept thinking to myself "what shitty kind of guy keeps wanting to be a girl". Realising that I actually was female made my life much easier to go through, because all my thoughts suddenly became normal instead of feeling like a mental illness.

>why did it happen to me?
This was a big one for me. For a long time I was so annoyed at myself for having dysphoria when otherwise my life was going pretty well, and I just hoped it would go away. My sister though made me realise that this isn't a choice, and so asking that question is useless.
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>>8952163
you probably should have sorted out your self-worth issues beforehand, because it could be possible that your decision to transition is an attempt to escape a lack of acceptance and a feeling of inferiority which clearly followed you and is exacerbated by the physical awkwardness of transition. you admit to having been accepted by your peers and loved ones as a woman and yet satisfaction with your life did not magically appear. this is because acceptance of yourself is not connected to your identity or your physical appearance.

sorry if you came here for an echo chamber.
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>>9016371
>My sister though made me realise that this isn't a choice,
Supportive family, lovely. How did she help you realise?
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>>9016348
i swallowed and i felt like i swallowed my soul
i tasted it forever
breakfast didn't wash it out, nor did lunch
>>9016367
boogers are more "enjoyable" in their lack of flavor
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>>9016295
yeah i went from cluelessly wishing i was a girl, to wondering if trans but denying completely, to accepting that im trans but repressing. during that repression phase I took every opportunity to practice makeup alone, and I slowly made my wardrobe and subconscious mannerisms more feminine. sadly i think we all have to get there at our own pace.

>>9016332
>difficult to believe
absolutely. I still dont 100% believe it. I still get thoughts that maybe I'm just a man that lost his mind. however I know that these are just fears that linger as a result of my social conditioning. being raised in a world where being feminine is shamed and being masculine is praised, it becomes subconsciously embedded into you. Being "crazy" becomes easier to believe then being truly a woman.

>Did you ever think, why did it happen to me?
every day. but it did happen to me. I was born into a life in which my gender does not match my sex. so thats the life I have to live. some people are born blind. some people are born into a life a sex slavery. some people are born wealthy. I'm trans. so it goes.
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>>9016408
>during that repression phase I took every opportunity to practice makeup alone, and I slowly made my wardrobe and subconscious mannerisms more feminine
This is what I'm currently aiming for. I've been growing my hair and nails out and I'm planning on getting laser hair removal and buying more makeup, etc. I used to do voice training, when I first started questioning, but gave up. If I manage to get a place on my own next year I'll resume that and up all my other stuff since I won't have to be private about it around the house.
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>>8993358
>>8952163
When I came out I experienced a rush of anxieties about passing and being accepted but I gained a lot of new confidence being able to finally understand who I was instead of feeling dead inside and like a fleshy robot. I felt like I was finally free to be who I was born as instead of having to pretend I felt okay as who I was pretending to be. The only doubts I experience now are the ones I know are totally irrational thoughts, and I've learned to block it out.
>>8953309
I definitely prefer now to before.
>>9016379
Maybe consider parts of this.

Definitely get therapy and antidepressants if you haven't tried them already/gave up.

It took me six months to even start the slow drag upwards, don't be discouraged.
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>>9016332
Yeah, it was somewhat difficult to coming to terms with it, and I mean after actually knowing what trans was. Most of it was "I'm not genuine enough" and stuff like that.

Of course "why did this happen to me" is a thought that comes back every so often.
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>>8961563
go to /fit/ squat and run it's p simple
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>>9008144
your a real shallow bitch
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I'm going to get a mammogram today for the first time. Just a routine screening. I will let everyone know how it went.
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Do you have any clothing advices for pre-HRT like me ? I want to be more feminine without being outed
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https://discord.gg/N8bHqP
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OK /tgg/ mammogram done. The good news is that it didn't hurt at all and didn't take long. Having decent sized breasts helps I think. The bad news is that it was extremely awkward.
I checked in, waited a bit, went and changed into a gown (just top and bra). You're not supposed to wear deodorant btw. I didn't but I was never asked about it. I waited a couple minutes then got called into the mammography room.
The questioning was the most awkward. I was asked when I last had a period. I said I don't have them. I was asked when I had my first period. I said I never had one. Then she asked back, "You never had one?" I said no. Then she was looking me over for a minute and I think she finally figured out I was trans, though she never said so or asked about it specifically. Then she said she guessed I never had children and I said no. Then she asked if I was taking hormones and I told her my prescription. Takeaway - I pass well but not flawlessly which is what I suspected.
I had to expose my breasts. I got stickers with a metal nub put on my nipples. I stepped up to the machine, the lady helped get my right breast into place, the top plate came down and applied gentle pressure, and I had to hold my breath during the imaging. This was repeated on the left breast.
Then the machine was rotated 45 degrees, I had to grab a handle with the hand on the side that was being imaged, and the imaging was repeated on both breasts.
That was it. I changed and left. Now I have to wait for the results. This was a routine screening so I'm not expecting anything but it's nerve wracking. I was also told about the possibility of ultrasound for dense tissue. I was told the cost was $800. If my doctor orders it I should be covered so I'll wait to see what he says.
tl;dr it wasn't so bad and didn't hurt. The whole trans thing made it awkward though.
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>>9018666
>went and changed into a gown (just top and bra).
hot
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>>9018770
Hardly!!!! If I wasn't clear I just meant I kept my pants on and just had to strip down on top.
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kill me
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>>9019634
Why?
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>>9019644
i don't want to live this life
i have had enough
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>>9019671
Do you have anything at all to look forward to? Anything you can do that will make life a bit more pleasant>
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When the boy with Aspergers syndrome is alone in the playground, he is likely to be approached by one of two groups: the predatory males who seek someone socially isolated, vulnerable and gullible to tease and torment; or girls, who feel sorry for the boy because of his apparent loneliness and offer inclusion and support in their activities and games. If the boy with Aspergers syndrome is unsure what to do when socializing with girls, his female friends are more likely to be supportive than critical -- "He's a boy so he wouldn't understand, so I'll help him"

Having opposite-gender friends at this stage of friendship can have two consequences for boys with aspergers syndrome; further alienation from boys who consider he is 'fraternizing with the enemy', and absorption within the female culture through imitations, resulting in the development of feminine body language, vocal characteristics and interests. The boy may feel that the only gender to accept and understand him is female -- which could contribute to gender-identity problems.

plz gib (You)s
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>>9019803
Page 92 "The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome" by Tony Attwood
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>>9018666
Hm, I wonder if she asks about hormones just because you're trans...
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>>9019803
Not really trans though I have gender identity problems but christ that fits me to a T.
I just sat in the playground in kindergarten alone by choice until a girl became friends with me.
I still remember the time I went to her house when I was 4 years old cause it was so important to me, I don't remember any of the guy 'friends' my mother said I apparently made later on.
Can anyone else relate? Not sure if I have aspergers.
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>>9019773
i do have one thing to look forward to
but the more i think about my life the less i feel it is worthwhile and the more i feel i should end this
i am sick of this pain and living in misery and life seeming to kick me in the teeth at every chance it gets
i am very tired of this life
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>>9019826
It's possible it's a standard question but there's a good chance she asked that because she figured I was trans. I wasn't sure whether to just say I was trans or not. Sometimes I do, but this time I didn't for whatever reason. Either way it's awkward.
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>>9019803
here's a (You), shame I didn't have any meaningful female friends. wish I did though
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>>9019835
I really hate to see people give up on life, and I think by posting here that's a sign that you're not quite ready to do so. If you have even one thing to look forward to, at least that's something.
Maybe you could try going somewhere you've never gone before, just to do something different. It helps to break out of your routine so you don't get stuck in a loop.
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>>9019854
i have no where to go and no money to do so
and no will to get money to go places when i don't know where i want to go and only want to stop living this nightmare
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>>9019858
Are you at risk of being homeless? You don't have to go far. You could just take a walk from home. It doesn't have to be anything special, just a street you've never walked down or something. Maybe you could try talking to someone you haven't talked to for awhile. Anything different might help.
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I can't run from myself anymore, no form of escapism is working anymore, my demons catch me anywhere, but I am to affraid to transition, or even tell anyone about it.
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>>9019834
what kind of gender identity problems?
>Not sure if I have aspergers.
http://socialintelligence.labinthewild.org/mite/

>>9019848
my IP mustve changed because i didnt evne get the (You) D:
I appreciate it all the same tho <3

>>9019858
take mushrooms or acid
inb4 waaa where do i find them, almost getting raped by a hobo trying to find some is part of the adventure
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>>9019845
Replying to myself, after some research I think it's more likely the hormone question was standard. HRT increases breast density and can make mammograms less accurate. My prescription should have shown up on their computer because my doctor works for the same hospital, but hormones are something they'd want to know about.
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>>9019905
>http://socialintelligence.labinthewild.org/mite/
I've done that before and I got like 3-4 above the average, not really sure if that's a good test though since I've always felt a bit different/alienated/like I was daydreaming 24/7.
>what kind of gender identity problems?
Just kind of always had a desire to be a girl and I wish I looked like a girl rather than a man, also sexual identity issues.
That might seem clear cut to others but I'm just kind of confused and like I said above, I feel like my mind is just living in a fantasy land.
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why do you trannies talk about men from a woman's perspective?

"yeah, i just don't get the hate for guys, i mean they're not that bad right? i know straight guys can be bad but they're not all bad"

you niggers are literally men, especially the transbians (aka straight men)


i literally don't know why it triggers the fuck out of me when you degenerates act as if you're one of us, you're not, fuck off

>inb4 terf, im not a feminist
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>>9020136
>36▶
>why do you trannies talk about men from a w

Uh, because as far as their potential male partners are concerned, they are living and coming from the perspective of a female? You fucking idiot?
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>>9020136
Wrong thread.
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>>9019905
>take mushrooms or acid
i have done a lot of those things already
i don't have the money for that right now and no desire to take them at the moment
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>>9020165
Go shroom foraging in the forest. It'll be fun
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>>9020201
>>9020165
This, if you end up eating poisonous ones, then you'll die. It'll be a win-win.
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>>9020212
I like you
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>>9020227
I like you too.
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>>9020136
We are women so what's the problem?
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>>9020201
i don't have the will
i'm not going to reply anymore, it's just me bitching and dismissing everything
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>>9020136
but i am a girl... are most women this elitist about transgenders? this post honestly makes me kinda sad.
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>>9020359
>are most women this elitist about transgenders?
Read >>9007709
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>>9020392
cis-women might get cucked by trannies, but they get the ring in the end.
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>>9019803
"Boys" aren't always predatory. Girls never felt sorry for me enough to take me in. This honestly seems like a really rare circumstance.

Nevertheless, I am assuming that by posting this possible scenario you are trying to imply that many trannies have Aspergers/autism. My question is can simply hanging out with girls give someone a gender identity problem? It is not like just mimicking a few girls will make someone actually start to believe that they are a girl. I don't know, I just feel like gender is something that we're just born with and can't be changed so easily. Maybe I am wrong.
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>>9020520
>>9019803
Gender identity disorders, autism, and schizophrenia all share a common issue, although it isn't a singular, defining one.

http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/06/28/why-are-transgender-people-immune-to-optical-illusions/
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>>9020520
>Girls never felt sorry for me enough to take me in. This honestly seems like a really rare circumstance.
THIS
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>>9017523
good luck
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>>9020624
>all share a common issue
what?

link is too long, tl;dr it
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>>9020624
I've seen that. That is not true for me, my brain seems normal as far as optical illusions go.
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>>9020723
No.
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>>9020723
Schizphrenic and autistic people are less prone to get caught in visual illusions (i.e. they see the face to be inverted rather than start spinning the opposite direction), like that rotating face, and the rotating dancer.

There were 5000 participants.
Author noticed that trans people reported to be significantly less likely to be tricked by the illusion.

What the autor didn't mention is that the trans sample size is probably like 50-100, and most of them were probably autistic.

Basically, some basement dweller thought he found something, but he didn't find anything.
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>>9021085
hows that an 'issue' and what significance does the connection have?
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>>9021108
Dunno, the author also talked about disassociation being common in trans people. Don't know if he said it was common in autistic and schizophrenic people too... But disassociation is pretty frequent in depressed people.
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>>9021085
The author mentions their small sample size and also happens to be a full on doctor and not a basement dweller like us.
>>9021108
Trans folks, schizos and autists all lack a specific neurochemical associated with cognition and

>>9021116
disassociation as a result
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>>9021116
so is disassociation just a result of conditions like that mentally not some linked part of them?

>>9021125
what neurochemical?
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>>9021125
>Trans folks, schizos and autists all lack a specific neurochemical associated with cognition
Which no proof is provided of.
He even goes against himself, stating that disassociation is lessened with hormone treatment, for both ftm and mtf. Making it painfully obvious that disassociation, and whatever "neurochemical" stuff is caused by depression, and not transsexualism itself.
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>>9021166
Drugs that block NMDA receptors cause dissociation. The most famous dissociative anaesthetic, ketamine, is an NMDA antagonist.So is DXM, a recreational drug that causes dissociation in abusers.Wikipedia’s list of dissociative drugs is basically just fifty-five NMDA antagonists in a row. The only other category they list are kappa opioid agonists, and kappa opioid agonism probably – you guessed it – antagonize NMDA. If we take this result seriously, every substance we know of that causes dissociation is an NMDA antagonist in some way.
Does anything improve NMDA function – an effect we might expect to alleviate dissociation? Yes, and among a list of intimidating research chemicals called things like is one familiar name: estrogen. See eg El-Bakri et al, which finds that “estrogen modulates NMDA receptors function in the brain…enhancing NMDA function”. McEwen et al: “One of the long-term effects of estradiol [estrogen] is to induce NMDA receptor binding sites in the CA1 region of the hippocampus.” Bi et al: “17-B-estradiol [estrogen] enhances NMDA receptor phosphorylation and function.” I don’t fully understand this research, but it seems to point to estrogen promoting NMDA activity in some way.
Transgender people have higher rates of autism and schizophrenia. The Atlantic actually had a good article about this recently:The Link Between Autism And Trans Identity. They cite one study showing 8% autism rate in trans people (compared to 1-2% in the general population), and another showing that autistic people were 7.5x more likely to express “gender variance”. Apparently a lot of trans people have problems getting hormone therapy because their doctors think the gender issues are “just” because of their autism. Some might say that denying people estrogen because they have a condition which studies suggest estrogen can successfully treat is a bit, I don’t know, crazy and evil, but I guess people get really weird around this stuff.
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>>8952163
28 transwoman, pre HRT.

I understand the uncertain feeling. I think being trans is sort of a sliding scale. Some days you're 90% certain you are trans. Some days you're 50 % certain. Just try to realize that we all go through this at one point or another. Don't give up!
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>>9021183
Yeah, no proof, and just adding fuel to the opposite.
FtMs become less dissociative when they're given testosterone, which completely removes that "it's estrogen that makes trans people less dissociative".
It all points towards depression and anxiety doing it, but he then goes on his "gut feeling" to claim depression is "overhyped".
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Did any of you never wear girls clothes until they transitioned outside of easy opportunities as a kid?
I think I'm trans but outside of a very young age, I always felt ashamed of my love of girls clothes and the only outlet I had was browsing google images/ebay/stores and watching makeup videos and even that was extremely stressful and hard.
I figure I'd buy dozens of outfits if I was able to move out but at 21 and still at uni, that's not happening for many year.
Did any of you never care about guys clothes and just wore what you're mother bought you? Same thing with haircuts, I always thought that I was never going to be happy with how I would look as a guy so I was never interested in it.
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>>9021631
I was repressed myself so much that I never experimented with women's clothing in my youth. I'm jealous of those who were brave enough to do so.

I was never too fond of standard men's clothing and hair, either. I blamed it on myself, though, so I started trying to look better using men's clothing in high school or so. And I started getting nicer haircuts. I was still never happy with it, though. I blamed it on low self esteem, but I now realize that I just don't like men's fashion (well, not on me, at least).

I used to get a lot of compliments, too. Now that I know myself better, I know that I want to wear women's clothing. Because I'm starting so late, I don't know what clothes look good on me, so I have to experiment. I want to have long hair, but it just looks like a bowl cut in the meantime. The few friends I see at this point have commented on how much better I looked in the past haha...
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