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>AGP questions and answers
>Thoughts and feelings / emotions
>Help, advice, guidance
>Be cozy and chill out

>What is AGP?
Autogynephilia, from Greek αὐτό- ("self"), γυνή ("woman") and φιλία ("love")
Broadly, arousal to the thought of being a woman. It can take many forms - being aroused at imagining or seeing yourself with a female body, dressing in clothes that make you appear feminine, acting in stereotypical "feminine" ways, or others.

>Isn't AGP just discredited pseudoscience?
No, AGP is a real phenomenon. Some people disagree with Blanchard's Typology, which included AGP, but that people experience AGP is indisputable.

>I'm AGP, does this mean I'm not trans?
No, you can be AGP and trans.

>Aren't you all just tranners in denial?
Many AGPs do have at least some dysphoria. Some people with AGP will go on to transition, while others are content with incorporating it into their sex life or simply the occasional indulgence. It varies greatly in intensity. If AGP consumes a lot of your mental energy or causes you lots of distress, it is probably worth asking more questions.

Last thread >>8913300
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>>8980354
This webm triggers me in a way I very clearly see is trying to drag me down a rabbit hole.
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>>8980354
I dunno if this is the right place for this, but I figured you guys would probably have experience with it. Does any sissy hypno actually work? And if it does, where can I find the good stuff?

Preferably something that's not incredibly cheesy or triggering for a trans person if possible, but I mean, whatever you think is good.
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What do you guys think of the concept of autofemboyphilia?
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>>8980491
Fuck anon, I was going to ask something like this but I thought I was alone.
Like when I watch het porn I insert as the women but when I watch gay porn I insert as the feminine guy/bottom.
Not sure if other AGP's share this experience.
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>>8980491
im mostly an AFP. probably because my fantasies are mostly based on being an unweary dude who's feminized against his will. It isn't attractive for me if i'm fully a woman in them.
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Pythagoras claimed to have been a "beautiful courtesan" in one of his past lives.

Our guy?
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How far does it need to go before it's a bad amount of dysphoria? Is crying about it occasionally too far?
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>>8980592
yeah prolly, just take AA's for a few months or a year and think about it while you dont get any manlier. you don't wanna repent it later.
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>>8980354
what the fuck kind of game is that
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>>8980659
Not that anon but how can you get AA's?
Or should I just use something made for hair loss?
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>>8980702
I dont know. The filename suggests something called "vrchat". vr, chat. It might be a virtual reality chatroom but obviously it isn't because who reads filenames? Squares, that's who. And squares are wrong.
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>>8980712
I did look it up a few seconds after posting that but I like your answer.
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>>8980708
>>>/hrtgen/

>>8980354
SHIT
vr life can't come too soon
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>>8980354
It took me far longer to realize that they were standing in front of a mirror in VR than I would like to admit
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>>8980659
What of many years go by and im still thinking about it?
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Tfw when even being called she give you boner and you hate boners with passion and every new boner give you bigger hatred of dick
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Hows that hrt bod coming hon
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>>8981737
DELETE THIS
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>>8980444
bump for interest
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>>8981382

You were at least on AAs in that time, weren't you? At that point, just take the plunge.
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>>8982096
Transitioning is not an option
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>>8982180
If your dysphoria is bad better take plunge sooner than later
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>>8982180
Transitioning is not an option*

*Until you break down and become a hon at age 35
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Post characters that exist to trigger AGP
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>>8980354
Holy crap, you can fondle your own breasts in this game? Just how great is technology?

Man, how much does a VR device cost these days? I would spend my life in this.
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I am breaking at 26 and crying over lost years
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>>8982305
Agp might get worse or better but that will never happen.
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>>8982354
idk lol
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>>8982354
I could just fondle you for free, anon
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>>8982638
You know, the actual scary thing about these webms for me is they don't feel like a "fetish", they feel like the way things're supposed to be. So I don't watch these thinking "wow, pov is great!", instead I leave them and then think, dammit, life is horrible, god I wish that were me.
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>>8982759
That’s how much you’ve internalized your fetish as normal. You’ve conditioned yourself, but you can still undo it! STOP FAPPING, START LIVING!
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>>8982781
Wtf? I didn't know propaganda was real and happening in 2017.
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>>8982781
Kgb have found rare pick of curehon irl
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>>8982180
>>8982575

Then why waste anyone's time with your shit? Stop thinking about it if you've already decided you will not transition. Make up your mind.

>>8982433

Are you going to self med or have you found a doctor?

>>8982354

It's not like you would feel it. On your hands or your chest.

>>8982759

>tfw a thicc titty monster trapped in a flat-chested twinkhon's body
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>>8982781
Can you please leave us alone? Just give us this one thread of all places.
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>>8982839
I am gonna self med while searching for good doc.
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>>8982433
Good luck, anon. Sorry it took you longer than you wished to find yourself.
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>>8982886
Thankss it wasn't that much finding me than outright denial and repression which make me even sadder. It literaly needed rock bottom lf misery to admit to myself that I am girl
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The past week or so has been kind of crazy for me... It's always been on the back burner but now it's really starting to come to the forefront. I feel like I've been just putting these feelings out of my mind for years, and I've drifted through life, keeping things afloat just fine but having no will or motivation, like I'm just serving a prison sentence. I know that's how a lot of depressed people feel, and it might just be normal, but I've been getting stronger and stronger feelings that my gender was like a last minute switch-up, like I barely made the cut for "male".

It's getting hard to not show signs, I shaved my body and I'm kind of growing my hair, and I ordered a bunch of girl clothes because I only have a few things at my house that I immediately jump into when I get home from work... I feel very on the edge, I wish I could just take the plunge but I'm so afraid of the future.

Sorry for blogposting, I'm sure this sort of thing gets said all the time, I just needed to get it off my chest :/
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>>8983285
Get on AA while you figure yourself out at least. That's as close to a pause button you can have
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>>8983285
No need for apologies anon. Your post is familiar to most of us. I habe decided to take hrt asap, not very sure how will be with social stuff, perhaps if I will pass, which is my biggest wish of all.
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>>8983353
Is there a non-perscription natural source? It's probably been posted a million times in hrt general but maybe save me time looking?
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>>8983376
*PREscription dammit I always miss that one for some reason
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>>8983383
Idk. I would just order spiro or something
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>>8983376
>>8983383
No, sorry. You need a real AA. As the other anon said, just order spiro, or cypro or bica are also good options. This is a stopgap measure until you figure out who you are and so what sex hormones are right for you.
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>>8983391
>>8983404
Thanks
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>>8980354
I want to start hrt. I've made up my mind.

Any advice?
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>>8980354
>at store today
>in the halloween isle
>notice all the cheapo wigs
>urge to buy a bunch of them becomes overwhelming
>with family member so can't do it

Fuck. Anyone else want to dress up and go out for Halloween as a girl?
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>>8980354
what game is this?
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>>8988937
being a cis girl
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Tell me the name of this game. I need to play it.
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>>8988890
tfw only one from town to affraid to dress as bavarian waitress for halloween
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Seriously, what game is that?
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Is it agp to want to dress up like modest women?
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Is it imagining that you sre Galadriel and your girlfriend Arwen and that you to are in love worst case of agp ever?
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I am an autofemboyphile with partial anatomic and transvestic autogynephilia. Is anyone else here like this?
>>>/lgbt/femgen told me to post here.
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>>8990882

Does it arouse you? Are you orthodox?
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>>8993120
with partial anatomic you mean: fat distribution and face? if so I'm exactly what you're describing, but also with the added element of behavioral AGP as well. I don't care for boobs or vaginas personally.
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>>8980354
>>8982638
>/agpg/ used my webm for an op

>>8980702
It's vrchat, a free game where you get to fondle cute anime girls. works without vr too if you just want to spectate and chat. To get custom models you have to run them through quite a few steps. There are also some models on some custom maps you can load, but nothing too lewd.
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bought some busty aichans last week. They were expensive, but worth every penny. Now I'm considering stopping growing my real tits out (currently b-cups) to just play with these, but I kind of want that feeling 24/7
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>>8993742
oh wow this is the future
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>>8993775
one day transitioners are gonna feel pretty stupid when everyone can be a girl for free by putting on a headpiece hahaha haha
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>>8993789
yeah no. I didn't transition so I could play with my tits. It's a nice perk I'll admit, but still
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>stayed up till 7am browsing sexy halloween costumes and fapping to the thought of wearing them even though i have to study tomorrow and don't even plan on going out

my impulse control is fucked m8s
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>>8993629
Fat distribution I was including under AFP. I was meaning wanting a penis and a vagina when I stated partial anatomic AGP, and I want to crossdress.
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Is meta-attraction real?
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>>8995963
Very much so, see any sissy porn.
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>>8995970
>tfw no loving romance or gentle dominance meta-attraction material
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>Was fine with keeping agp stuff to fap fantasies for the past 5-8 months
>In the past couple days it gets overwhelming and I shave off most of my body hair, start doing trap mode workouts, come back to lgbt for the first time in forever

God fucking dammit I wish I could just get rid of agp for good. The thing is I've always identified with male figures and still think of myself as male, and think I would end up happier if I stayed this way. But on the other hand I can't deny this agp shit that I've had since before puberty and I feel like it's trying to drag me down a path I don't know if I can go on.

Anyone else feel the same way?
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>>8998019
lmao anon, I do the same thing too though I can only really relate to the first two sentences.
Yeah I've shaved my body like 4 times the past two years, just two weeks into my latest and most comprehensive shave and usually it's impulsive, like I'll say to myself, 'i'll just shave my shoulders and nothing more' and then i'm 30 minutes into shaving my legs or starving myself for weeks, idk I'm probably just mentally unhealthy.
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>>8993254
It just seems comfy.
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>>8998019
Me too. And theres this lurking feeling of inadequacy to actual females mixed with guilt from not being able to stand up to male norms since im kind of on hrt and looking like a lesser male more and more. It's both funny and convoluted.
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>>8998366
self medding?
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>>8998388
Yes
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page 9 bump
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>>8993757
seems like they have the same problem as the breast forms I had before - sweating oil of some kind, so they'll stain whatever you're wearing
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is orchiectomy a good or bad idea?
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>>9001749
its kinda final so make sure you won't regret it
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>>9001754
that's why i'm asking in the agp thread.
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>>9001766
well are you transitioning? hrt and boymode? just tired of being on T?
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>>9001740
haven't had any staining problems yet, but I don't wear them for more than 4 hours at a time. That's just them peaking through the thin material
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>>9001749
It can have a negative effect on your srs
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Best AGP erotica/stories/games?
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I NEED to transition but I am scarred :(
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>>8980354

IDK what to think anymore. What i thought was just agp, is now a constant fantasy, Im almost always thinking about how much i want to be a girl, but i dont want to go through with it.
Im 21 and in a great relationship with a girl.
Im not attracted to men at all an i never believed "i was born in the wrong body." I honestly enjoy being in my male body, its comfortable and doesn't disgust me, yet i cant get over how much more i would enjoy being a women.
I dont think this is just a fetish. What should i do?
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>>9001749
It's a good idea if you're already on hrt and want to stop taking blockers. But they castrate you anyway as part of srs, so really you should be asking yourself if you want a pussy.
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can an AGP ever reach a point were they are comfortable with their body? Or will they always see a male and hate themselves?
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>>9011005
bump :(
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Same here, had the fantasy of being female, but I hate men and love women. I guess im overly obsessed with the female form.
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>>9011288
I imagine if she transitions early enough she can. But if too late maybe not unless surgeries are sufficient
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>>8998019
Same, my agp isn't as strong so maybe i have a bit of dysphoria. Been posting on this place for too long, and on agpg for some months.

Started cypro ~1month ago, still scared about E but menopausal effects will force me to do it (just like the thoughts of T making me manlier everyday made me start AA's)

Shaving my body whenever i can, except for the beard because i kinda need to hide changes and having a beard probably draws attention from my weak manlet body, really long hair, gynecomastia and will help with future HRT effects.

Looking foward to lasering it in the future tho.

>>9001749
It's good because you won't be fucking your liver with so many meds. But bad because everything else.

Remember it's irreversible and you won't produce T anymore if someday you decide to stop hrt.

>>9011288
HRT, escapisms or having a strong mind to overcome the feelings and make them only sexual or inexistent. I recommend the latter. If you feel bad with "forgetting about it" because you can't stand the idea of having a manlier body in the future... well.

>>9011005
You sound agp as fuck but probably not trans. Probably. Maybe?

Maybe you're overthinking this and need to clear your mind? Leave lgbt for a bit. Try nofap for a week (yeah that's curehon tier but who knows), do something to prevent yourself from thinking about this all.

I'll leave some questions in another post, someone posted them in the last thread. Take your time and think about it deeply before anything.
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Were you a gender conforming child? Teenager? Adult?

When did you first feel the desire to be a woman? How did it develop over time? Were there any preludes to it?

When did you first experience arousal at the thought of femininity? How did it develop over time? Were there any preludes to it? What aspects do you usually focus on in your sexual fantasies?

If you continue living your life as you are, without outwardly addressing your gender issues, do you think you could be happy on the long term? Why or why not?

If you could act and be treated like a woman with no negative repercussions and everyone you cared about were accepting of that but you had to live with your body as it is would you be happy? Why or why not?

If you could magically turn yourself into a woman and people would accept you having that sort of body but treat you as and call you a man would you be happy? Why or why not?

Would having both the social role and the body of a woman make you happy?

Suppose you were condemned to spending your life on a deserted island, alone. If you were offered the choice to have a woman's body, any you can imagine, would you take it? What if it meant that you had to sacrifice your libido to do so, becoming assexual?

In your view, what does it mean to be a man or a woman?
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>young
>have very feminine body
>buy lots of grill clothes
>take pics of self
>pics are so cute i feel like fapping to myself but i don't
>not attracted to guys but if one wanted to fuck me i wouldn't say no or resist

dude, what the fuck
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>>9011487
What if, you only like women but like sexual stimulation on your butt, can only do it with women by taking a happy pill, but love being rimmed/asian naturally gives you a hard on.

Fantasizing about being a girl or crossdressing as one, getting fkd doggystyle gives you a bigger hard on than being with a girl.

AGP or just gay or bi, or trans?

Thought/desired all my life being a girl.
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>>9011492
I think those questions are worth asking yourself if that's what you're asking, are you questioning?
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>>9011521
Im have been fighting this for over 15 years.

I feel very manly lately like i would start body building, but something this past week woke something in me, i went into the bathroom and shaved my whole body.

Surprisingly looked pretty fine effeminate, and for maybe the first time in my life felt like i liked my body. I felt so liberated, meditated on it.

I liked the feeling of the razer cleaning away the last remnants of hair, the razor slide against the skin. Surprisingly i became very sensitive too after this development.

I used to feel nothing physical, used porn to get off, since then i feel even less interested in porn than ever.
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>>9011492
>Yes I was
>Never, just mild dysphoria when my facial hair impeded my crossdressing sessions from working (circa 13 years old)
>At around 10. It became more extensive (from panties, to clohes, to makeup, to traditionally feminine activities, etc...) No preludes, though I remember my mother used to force me to wear tights to preschool and I was once forced to crossdress by my older sister.
>Maybe. I just would have to take a very stoic approach and find higher purposes than my sexuality.
>I wouldn't mind very much, probably neutral to the idea although I dislike vaginas and periods sound like a bitch.
>I don't really care for social roles since I don't go outside lol.
>No, but I would gladly accept looking like a femboy version of myself. Would I become an asexual femboy, eh, maybe, but then what's the point of having a certain body if you can't share it with anyone, you'd basically only come into contact with it when you see yourself reflected in water.
>being a man means being strong, destructive, creative, and active. being a woman means perhaps the same, but there's a higher chance that women will be normies with normie interests.
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>>9011480
is 18 still early enough? I was on hrt for about 6 months when I was 17 and then took 6 months off because I'm a dumbass, and I've been on it again for 4 months.
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>>9012967
Yes
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Okay so I think I get this, someone could explain maybe. So trans is wanting to be the other, and AGP is that except more of a fetish?

Is that like how there are furries who genuinely think they belong in animal bodies for non-sexual reasons, and there are people who are turned on by that thought? Presumably with some overlap.

If that's the case then is there anything that sets AGP apart from your everyday fetish?


Not exactly asking as an outsider, since this sounds like something I feel every day. I'm not a person who gets angry at people, but I get super frustrated when I see girls, even on TV or whatever. Is it common to have a stronger frustration when the girl's wearing clothes rather than when she's naked? I self-insert as the girl in porns and that works for me, but I don't feel the frustration as much as when I see a girl on TV with her boobs bulging out her sweater. Like not even sexual outfits, just regular clothes where I can see that the girl's got boobs and I don't.
I get boners when crossdressing sometimes. Not sure if that means I'm just a perverted fetishist and not an actual tranny, or maybe both. If I'm not the latter then I probably shouldn't be taking these drugs.

Been on HRT just over a month now so hopefully I can be happy some day. Cursed with wide-ish shoulders and a fucked pectus excavatum, but decent waist/hips/legs so woo.
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>>9014167
Have you been diagnosed with GD?
And no, being AGP does not mean that you aren't trans.
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>>9014167
AGP isn't really a fetish. It's more easily described as an orientation than anything else. AGPs conflate their ideal self image with what they find attractive, women. So an AGP would simultaneously want to be with and be the woman their attracted to, with the amount of AGP and heterosexuality competing. Some may only want to be what their attracted to slightly, some may only see other women and desire to be them.

getting erections from cross dressing or the seeing female features from hrt is perfectly okay, just shows that doing hrt or cross dressing is the right thing to do. Some of the writing on AGP said that people whose ideal self image was nude were more consistenly trans than those that had a clothed image or image in underwear. So since that's your largest source of dysphoria, it's possible that you could get by on just cross dressing. However, if you do like HRT no reason to stop.
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>>9014167
Trans is feeling unpleasant as your current sex. AGP is a main reason people feel that way but some AGPs don't.

Not all AGPs feel the sexual part very much or believe in it, so many trans girls who genuinely think they belong in female bodies are AGP even though they don't consider it to be a sexual reason. But this thread is chiefly people who feel the sexual side a lot.

AGP is more of a sexuality than a fetish, where we're attracted to woman but as ourselves rather than as a partner.

Self-inserting as girls in porn and getting boners from crossdressing is 100% AGP. It doesn't make you perverted or not trans, it's just how AGP sexuality often expresses itself and many AGP trannies have experienced the same.

Jealousy at cis girls is very common and it seems a lot of AGPs like clothed girls for whatever reason.
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>>9011492
>I don't remember much about childhood specifically but I never felt like much of a manly man or cared to. I've always been quiet, tried to go with the flow, and generally kept a low profile
>I think like 10-11 at the earliest. I think one of the earliest memories of that I have is seeing some ad for Ranma 1/2 and wishing I could change my gender like that. I remember being younger and sometimes feeling like having a dick felt wrong and wanting to know what it was like to not have one.
>I think not long after by 12-13. Didn't come from porn afaik or remember. I saw pictures of trans models like Caroline Cossey and learned about srs and for some reason the thought of being able to become a beautiful woman turned me on. For a long time I felt I was just destined to transition some day. There was also some juke home made sex change pic floating around of some guy tucking his junk with tape and glue that I tried multiple times wishing that it were real. Usually I jack off to imagining getting screwed in the v and having my tits caressed
>Who knows, the thoughts seem to come and go for months at a time. I can't say for sure if they'll get worse I can repress them successfully
>I think I'd have more freedom to express myself and my interests but if I had a male body I'd rather stick with a male name
>Don't think so. That just sounds really awkward
>Body I think would be great. Social role sometimes seems dream like, other times seems limiting
>Yeah, sure why not
>Sort of agree with >>9011767 with the addition that women tend to be gentler and think emotionally while men are generally tougher and think more logically
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>>8980354
agp is stupid
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>>9014479
>>9014521
>AGP isn't really a fetish
How do you know?
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>>9016638
AGP comes with other things unrelated to sex/arousal like gender euphoria and pseudo gender dysphoria in my experience.
I don't know if you can say the same about other fetishes.
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>>9014521
>AGP is more of a sexuality than a fetish, where we're attracted to woman but as ourselves rather than as a partner.

Alright, could you expand on this? Because I guess I feel attracted to girls (in that I find them more visually appealing than men), but I can't really imagine myself in a sexual relationship with a girl, because she probably doesn't have a dick, and dicks are fun. Being with a cute boy bf would be nice I guess.

Also, I'm seeing people say you can be AGP and trans, or of course just trans without AGP, but what about AGP and not trans? What's it like to be fully male and not want to be a woman, but still be turned on by the thought of it?

Like I said, I like dressing up and being girly, and sometimes it turns me on, and so that points to AGP. But, how should I find out if I'm actually trans and not just a perv?

Also, it sounds to me like AGP is just a cross-gender version of your normal everyday envy, that girls feel when seeing cuter girls.

>>9014335
Nope. I went on a waiting list back in my home country months ago, something like 80th in line, and I haven't been contacted since. Moved to another country now and didn't want to have to start on HRT at like 25, so I just went ahead with it. 21 now.
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>>9017327
>Also, it sounds to me like AGP is just a cross-gender version of your normal everyday envy, that girls feel when seeing cuter girls.
Envy definitely comes with AGP, so I'm not sure if you can explain AGP entirely through it.
>What's it like to be fully male and not want to be a woman, but still be turned on by the thought of it?
If you don't/haven't wanted to be female you're probably just a crossdresser. I've seen crossdressers who get turned on by crossdressing but vehemently deny wanting to be female.
If you want, ask curehon in /repgen/ she's absolutely convinced that she's AGP and not trans cause only transitioners are trans or some rubbish like that but be careful, she's insane.
Do you experience gender euphoria?
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>>9017366
I think I want to be female, but I don't know why I think that, and I think there's a chance it's some repressed thing where I'm just fooling myself into thinking something silly. Introspection is hard.

>Do you experience gender euphoria?
If that means do I like being a guy, then no, I don't think so. Again, not sure if I really think the things I think. I get angry at myself when I try to wear clothes that don't look good on me because of shoulders or lack of bust or whatever other male features I have that stick out or don't. I tried on a friend's bra a while back, and even though hers are pretty small, it made me feel really happy seeing myself in the mirror with "boobs", and also fucking mad at myself for being so dumb. I can't help but feel I'm stuck with this body and that I should give up my dreams because they won't come true anyway, but that's kinda defeatist.

Like I said though my body isn't super masculine apart from the shoulders and chest to begin with, and I've been working out to make the rest as good as it can be, so maybe I'm being too negative. Certainly not a passable face, but it's not masculine either, so with HRT maybe it'll become better. idk man.
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>>9017388
>but I don't know why I think that, and I think there's a chance it's some repressed thing where I'm just fooling myself into thinking something silly. Introspection is hard
Yep same here. I've wanted to be a girl for at least 10 years now but I don't really know why. And introspection is hard, especially if you want your feelings, no matter how valid/invalid to be validated.
No by gender euphoria, I meant do you feel happiness from presenting/being perceived/perceiving yourself as female in some way? It could be anything as simple as having female pronouns used on you online or feeling female in some way.
>I can't help but feel I'm stuck with this body and that I should give up my dreams because they won't come true anyway, but that's kinda defeatist
Yeah I feel the exact same way. The only reason why I'm researching HRT is because I don't want to end up realising that my feelings were valid and transitioning in my 30's. I'm surprised you've already started when you're so unsure but don't let that stop you, I wish I was in your position honestly.
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>>9017327
AGP involves everything associated with a sexual orientation, from the direct sexual arousal at the thought to the romantic fulfillment from engaging in it, except the orientation is towards the self as a woman, not towards other people.

AGP sexuality towards others seems to come in three forms: an attraction to women that conflicts with AGP (a relationship with a woman can lessen AGP and transitioning can lessen interest in women) and may be projected AGP, pseudo-bisexuality/meta-attraction (attraction to the thought of sexual interaction with men not out of attraction to male bodies on their own but to the feelings of validation from being a girl with a man), and GAMP (attraction to androgynous people like crossdressers, transsexuals and feminine boys) which is statistically strongly associated with AGP.

Trans is really a spectrum for AGPs, with some AGPs being strongly dysphoric and some less dysphoric. This can vary over time, notoriously getting worse. So an AGP who isn't trans is an AGP who doesn't feel strongly dysphoric (yet). It would involve AGP fantasies but otherwise being happy as a man or only slightly envious of women. Note that trans without AGP is a different kind of trans that's hard to relate to for trans AGPs.
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>>9017327
>>9017414
Getting turned on by dressing up and being girly is pretty much AGP by definition. You're not just a perv either way, either way it's just a common way for AGPs to get turned on, the same as the thought of sex is a turn on for other people. There isn't a clear way of saying if an AGP is trans or not, especially since a common story is feeling fine male and a few years later feeling dysphoric. Like I said, trans for us is really just how much dysphoria we feel. My advice is to not look for a binary yes/no answer and just look into transition and weigh up the pros and cons for each option (health on HRT, happiness if you don't pass, happiness staying male, life if dysphoria worsens, etc) and make a decision that way, without ever committing to never transition or never detransition.

AGP can lead to envy like girls have of each other, but that's just a result of the underlying AGP orientation, and not the only result, there's the sexual attraction mixed in which isn't the normal experience for envious cis girls.
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>>9017405
>No by gender euphoria, I meant do you feel happiness from presenting/being perceived/perceiving yourself as female in some way? It could be anything as simple as having female pronouns used on you online or feeling female in some way.
I like being told I look cute or girly or feminine, but I don't want people to lie to me to make me feel good about myself, so I don't tell most people how I feel. And maybe they don't tell me I look girly because that'd offend most guys, I guess. I've told some friends, including my roommates and a girl friend, and they said they thought I looked girly but didn't want to say it because it sounds like an insult. Anyway, some day I want people to perceive me as female and use female pronouns, but I think it's entirely my responsibility to make that natural for them. In other words I think I need to look like a girl so people will automatically think that of me, rather than being one of those trannies who looks like a guy with a mop for hair, who demands that people refer to them with a certain pronoun.

>I'm surprised you've already started when you're so unsure but don't let that stop you, I wish I was in your position honestly.
Well, I've been thinking real hard about it for a couple years now, and I'm sure I think I want to do it. Even though I'm not entirely certain about what I *really* think, I figured it's better to start on HRT as early as possible because flowcharts.

I mean, if I'm a total tranny then HRT is fine. If I end up wanting to be male but feminine and cute, HRT is still fine. It's unlikely, but if I snap out of it and realize I don't want any of this, then I can stop and only have some minor permanent stuff, and I'm willing to take that small risk. Besides, I'm happy with the changes so far. Slight nipple bumps make me excited for what's to come.
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>>9017414
>>9017418
So, it's possible for me to be biologically male, trans, AGP, and attracted to both men and women, with attraction to men tied to their dominance and dicks and stuff, and women being tied to cuddly softness?
This is starting to sound like shitty neo-liberal bollocks, but I kinda get it.

Also
>not the only result, there's the sexual attraction mixed in which isn't the normal experience for envious cis girls.
I'm not very close to many girls, but the ones I do talk to about this sort of thing have said that even though they consider themselves straight, and they like men, part of their emotion when feeling envious is a sort of attraction. Like, I mentioned a friend earlier with small boobs (who I think is super cute but she won't listen to me ugh), and she said she's envious of girls with bigger boobs, but she also said that when she's with a friend with big boobs, part of her envious feeling has her wanting to touch the girl and cuddle or fondle or whatever. Not explicitly sexual I guess, but still something to consider.

And now I'm thinking about this girl who's upset about her small chest, and just thinking god damn be happy with what you've got, at least it's not this shit.
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>>9017457
>So, it's possible for me to be biologically male, trans, AGP, and attracted to both men and women, with attraction to men tied to their dominance and dicks and stuff, and women being tied to cuddly softness?
Yes. It does sound liberal, but it's based on experience and science!

How obviously AGP the attraction is varies. One AGP might be less into dominance and dicks from men and more into just being cuddled and feeling secure with his arms around her, another AGP might enjoy dominant women, or penetration, and so on.

Your friend's semi-sexual feelings towards over girls do sound very relatable. Some cis girls may have some AGP, or female sexuality even for straight girls may have bisexual sides. It is very interesting to compare AGP to other people's sexualities.

>god damn be happy with what you've got, at least it's not this shit.
iktf
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>>9017511
One thing I've noticed when talking about this sort of thing with friends is that women are far more open to the idea of cuddles and sorta-sexual experiences with other girls, but men completely deny even the thought of being with a guy. I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of guys are forcing themselves to stay completely straight, and so they tell themselves they're not attracted to, say, a cute feminine boy, even if they think the boy is cute. Seems like that's a big aspect of the "are traps gay" meme. Some guys are attracted to the cute trap but since they forcibly define themselves as straight, they don't want to let the gay in. Or out.

Women seem far more comfortable with speaking their feelings. I've never heard a girl obsess over whether or not thinking another girl is cute, is gay or not. They just seem to roll with it and like the things they like.
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>>9016653
How do you know AGP causes those things?
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>>9017539
I think you're absolutely right and overcoming that internalized homophobia helps AGPs get their meta-attraction so suddenly.
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>>9014167
Not to silence anyone but just be aware that you're hearing one side of a very contentious story.
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>>9017580
Not her but please make a thread for the controversy and tell your take on it.
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>>9017580
I always have that in mind, but it's also pretty hard to get solid facts in this area so this sort of thing is still useful.
Honestly the AGP thing doesn't concern me that much anyway, I just want to know what people think about it. I'm going to feel the things I feel regardless of how others define it. iunno.

>>9017588
>her
Oh please. I don't want to be called a girl until I pass to the point where people think I'm a girl without me telling them to. Otherwise I'm just a masculine ugly girl, and that's bad.
But yeah hearing the other sides of the story would be pretty useful too.
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>>9017601
Online you can pass.
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>10 days off hrt
>AGP is back
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>>9018067
protip: you're a lady
take your pills
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>>9018067
>stop taking medication
>problems come back
Woah crazy tbhfam
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>>9018531
>Medication has serious side effects
Not so crazy to stop wanting to take hrt
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>>9018883
Such as?
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>>9019034
Not being able to sleep longer than 6 hours with getting up to pee for one. But I guess that isn't that serious.
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>>9016638
What other fetish causes you to conflate self image with attraction? It's pretty much exclusive to AGP. Which would make one think perhaps the fetish label isn't true.
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>>9019331
That's Spiro
Don't take shitty meds and you won't have that problem
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>>9019339
I'm not convinced that it does cause you to do that.
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>>9019399
would it be better to spend the limited amount of money I have available on estrogen or cypro? Right now the spiro isn't doing much but I've got a prescription for it, but only a 1 mg estradiol prescription.
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>>9018086
imaman

>>9018531
>take pills
>agp goes away, feeling normal, dont want to be a girl
>stop taking pills
>agp comes back, tfw can never be a girl

catch66
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>>9021045
Planned parenthon?

>>9021206
Stop that backtalk young lady and take your medicine!
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>>9021206
>dont want to be a girl
>>stop taking pills
>>agp comes back, tfw can never be a girl
you only want to be a gril when you're horny?
I have agp too but being a man was killing me
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>>9021206
>Feel ill on male hormones
>Feel fine on female hormones
>Insists she's a man
wew
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Ok I need help I'm going to explain my story and I would like to know your opinion on what's going on.
>Started looking at sissy stuff when I was about 13, it was 1000% times better than another other type of porn ever
>The idea of being a girl was always sexually arousing, even from my earliest memories
>Whenever I had the chance I would crossdress, would also always sleep in panties for fun
>Went through puberty, life just started to seem a lot worse
>Had a bad habit as a kid to repress all my feelings until I'm a robot
>I started playing around with the idea of transitioning into a girl, reading a lot about it online
>I'm 19 now and I still crossdress but it's barely sexually arousing, almost feels more of a therauputic escape
>Can't fap to sissy stuff anymore either, I started getting way to jealous for some reason
>Been depressed for probably 3 years for some reason
>If there was a button that I pressed to become a girl permanently I would press it in a heartbeat
>I've cried probably 4 times in my life, and one of them was from a mixture of loneliness and wanting to impossibly be a girl
>Even if I transitioned I would never be an actual girl so what's the point
>Pic related gets me really fucking jealous

Anyway end of my rant. How to know if it's just a rampant fetish gone wrong or if I'm part of the .01% of wrongly wired brains
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>>9021296
I was 22 when I start HRT, see a therapist ASAP
Those 4 times that you cried will turn to 400+ a year if you're like me.
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>>9019034
Feminization
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>>9021296
>I've cried probably 4 times in my life, and one of them was from a mixture of loneliness and wanting to impossibly be a girl
why so emotionless usually?
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where are you samantha femmetoe kicked you before you could get sufficiently told
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>>9021299
Ok :|
>>9021311
Like I said I got very good at repressing my emotions. I also felt a lot of pressure growing up to not show my emotions in fear of being "unmanly". Now it's just very hard for me to cry, the other times I cried were on shroom trips. Man I just want to be on shrooms right now.
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>>9021330
I love shrooms
there is literally ~n o t h i n g~ better in the world than being on HRT + agp + mushrooms
something about shrooms makes my agp go through the roof...squeezing my soft little boobs and round squishy thighs while tripping is incredibly euphoric, its truly an amazing experience

it goes beyond just being sexual
its like extreme pleasure and satisfaction in my body and total bliss with it
its hard to properly describe
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>>9021342
Fuck that sounds literally perfect fuck fuck fuck I don't want to be trans it's bullshit and my family will hate me
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>>8980354
I have pseudoandrophilic autogynephilia. I pass as a girl. Being a cute passing girl with AGP is magical.

One time, on a boring sunday off, I spent 2 hours in the morning literally playing with myself in the bed. Not just as in the euphemism for masturbation, but literally, running my hands all over my new curves, feminine fat distribution after 1 year hormones. Playing with my squishy ass and tits, playing with my cute long hair, running hands all over myself. I'm attracted to every part of myself, from my cute feet and long legs to my cute face and hair. Sometimes I spend a long time staring at my big eyes, long eyelashes and full lips and beautiful thick hair in the mirror. It's so magical, it makes me feel like I've accomplished a life goal and I can now die in peace. I feel so sexy inside this new body.

I have a very hard time making female friends because I wear revealing slutty clothes for thrill. Things like high waist jean shorts and loose tops, which cause girls to see me as a slut/promiscuous so they don't want to be friends with me. As a result all of my friends are guys. Wearing cute revealing clothes gives me a constant boner all day, I look down at myself and how I'm actually a cute girl omg i cant believe it im a cute girl right now and it makes me so happy.

I'm a bit promiscuous, as a pseudoandrophile. Men are not that physically attractive, but it's like, as a pseudoandrophilic AGP, you see yourself during secks the same way that men do when they watch a girl getting screwed by a guy in porn. When men watch porn, they aren't attracted to the guy himself, the guy is just a prop to screw the girl. Pseudoandrophilia is about the fun of seeing your new female body get subdued in bed. Becoming my own sex object to degrade. I like having my bweasts played with, being held down so I can't escape (1 year hormones made me weaker than most cis girls).
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>>9021353
there it is
the mod kicked your irritating ass before you could answer my question
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>>9021353
Insanely jealous but I hope this is real.
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>>9021353
Not only that, I look cute and innocent enough that people can't possible imagine that I have this kind of thrill going on secretly. Which just makes it more fun, the idea that people would be so shocked if they knew that this cute little girl is actually a guy in a small girl body furiously getting off to himself.
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>>9021353
you pass as a pooinloo that put vaseline on their camera lens
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>>9021296
Would a fetish cause someone so much anguish? People don't go insane over their inability to live out their latex fetish, y'know?
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>>9021353
this sounds really gucci tbqh even if it's pasta
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>>9021347
i really hate being trans too :(
my family was surprisingly accepting, yours might be too
honestly being on hormones has somewhat helped me with the shame I had felt my whole life for crossdressing and being agp

...also with the mushrooms, sometimes I notice my mouth "tastes" like a girl or something, like i'm tasting my own saliva
looking in the mirror too and seeing how girly my ass looks is mind blowing I wish I could describe the experience better
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>>9021381
no it's not she literally just joined and spammed a discord server with the exact same thing until the moderator had to kick her to get her to stop
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>>9021353
>>9021369

This is how you make a TERF so angry that smoke streams out of her nostrils, her face and eyes turn red, and her head asplodes from reading this
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>>9021404
this dude is nauseating lol
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>>9021409
idk i've had similar experiences
I just don't go around spamming it everywhere I go, but you can't fault her for enjoying the agp..
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>>9021409
Don't be spiteful. If you didn't want her in your discord, you've got that. Now don't come pursuing her.
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>>9021419
no I can't, but I can fault her for joining discords and just spamming the fuck out of them with heheh bweasts jiggle jiggle squishy squishy non stop
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Bump for help
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>>9021482
What do you need?
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>>9021296
agp isn't from porn. I wanted to be a girl desperately and had agp years before I ever looked at any porn or masturbated, so there isn't anyway it could've caused it.

>i crossdress because it's therauputic
Yeah, that's a solid sign that your dysphoria and agp has gotten much worse. I'd guess that you're still doing it to try to feel some sort of connection / intimacy with your female self image at all. Hrt may be able to help reduce the pain from being separate from your female self image.

>I've cried probably 4 times in my life, and one of them was from a mixture of loneliness and wanting to impossibly be a girl
I know that feeling :( sorry anon
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>i will never be a girl
>am too old to even think of transitioning (20)
>would never pass if I even did

are there any reasons not to commit suicide? I don't feel as if there is any reason for me to live, I just suffer every day, I don't like anything, I'm not happy.
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>>9021495
>20
>too old
Look, are you absolutely, completely, positively sure you won't pass? Isn't there still some small chance?
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>>9021245
does planned parenthood do informed consent? And is it at all locations countrywide?
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>>9021495
try hrt anyways. If you're going to kill yourself no reason to worry about what other people think. And even if you don't pass on hrt at least you'd look more feminine than you do currently. That'd be an improvement, right?
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>>9021497
I'm fat as fuck (280lbs 6'0), too tall to ever look female, my hairline is starting to recede, my brow bone juts out, and I have a thicker chest.

Not to mention various other things, I doubt I'd ever pass.


When I was in my early teens (like between 12-14) I got mistaken for female because I was fat and had long hair, but that's just due to being young + fat.
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>>9021518
>Fat
You can lose weight. Beside, there are fat women.
[spoiler]It'll also help you grow large boobs[/spoiler]

>too tall to ever look female
There are tall women.

>my hairline is starting to recede
If things aren't too bad yet hormones might actually be able to reverse the process

>my brow bone juts out, and I have a thicker chest.
No lie, those are problems. Are they genuinely insurmountable?

Passing comes down to all of the different factors put together. To things like facial features and how broad your shoulders are and so on. Looking at the big picture, do you fully believe that you 100% won't pass? 100% as opposed to 99%?

>When I was in my early teens (like between 12-14) I got mistaken for female because I was fat and had long hair, but that's just due to being young + fat.
You're still fat and HRT makes you look younger :^)
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has anyone here successfully quit HRT?

>>9021261
its more complicated but yeah its very sexual
otherwise Im just a (kinda fem)guy and it feels fake being a woman, I rather be androgynous

>>9021264
I dont feel ill, AGP is fun and being horny is fun but its the frustration that you can never fulfill it that makes you bitter envious of women and dysphoric
your memers are not helping, I dont know what to do
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I am Pre hrt but have some "faceless guy forced fem" fantasies before, but more and more I am comfortable in female identity more sure am I of my attraction to girls and those fantasies do nothing for me now. Strange isn't it.
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>>9021686
>I dont feel ill, I feel dysphoric
Ma'am..

Okay, in all seriousness: if HRT helps you then not taking it just doesn't make sense. You are what you are. Accept that.
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>>9021522
To add to that, even in the worst case there are still fat ugly women who are recognizably female. Clothes can do a lot of work, and you can wear thick clothes like coats and scarves to cover up some stuff.

Also
>>9021518
Height isn't something you can change easily but weight is almost entirely up to you. If you want it enough, you'll work for it.
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>>9022142
I know weight can be changed, but it feels pointless because taking hormones isn't guaranteed to do anything or make me want to be alive or any of that . And I know that taking hormones even in best case wouldn't just magically solve all my problems.

I have such mental hangups about it and being feminine, etc, that I don't think I could even take HRT if I wanted to. I'd gladly just be a girl if I could but doing it is way too embarrassing and scary for me to even think of. Suicide seems less scary than transitioning.
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>>9022233
It's not guaranteed to help but you know it could help. What else can you say this of? Is it rational to just give up instead of trying to get better?
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>>9022237
It's not rational but neither is wanting to be a girl. It makes no sense whatsoever, women are inferior to men in so many ways yet I want to be one for some stupid reason.


My biggest fear is being judged and eventually my parents or someone would discover what I'm doing and I don't want that to ever happen. Just thinking about it makes me want to curl up into a ball and hide.

It just seems that no matter what I do I'm fucked. Suicide and dying and just ceasing to exist seems a lot more safe than anything else. I know it doesn't make sense to give up but at least I'd have a little dignity with my parents not knowing me as a tranny.
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>>9022270
First thing first, you should really drop the sexism. It's a sour grapes defense that is common but unbecoming.
You seem to think of being trans as something shameful. Why? As I and many neuroscientists see it transsexuality is a congenital condition. There is nothing wrong with seeking treatment for a medical condition. If others judge you for your actions then the problem is with them.

Knowing something and feeling something are two different things, I realize, but before you can feel that this is true you should acknowledge that this is true. Life dealt you a rough hand. No one wants to be like this. I get that. You can still turn things around though. Don't give up. You can't. You don't even want to as evidenced by you coming here and looking for help. Get up and work toward fixing your life. What other path is open to you?
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I'm confused how I made it 26 years without any physical dysphoria only for it to hit me like a fucking a train after I had my first 'Am I trans' thoughts. It just doesn't that I could like relatively comfortably for so long and then suddenly feel nothing but untenable distress.
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>>9021696
its all a lie
hrt is like a lobotomy - you just dont care anymore, nothing changes in reality but all in your mind

now I understand the delusion that many hons have - thats what HRT does to you
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This thread encourages represssion more than Repgen
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>>9022416
What are you basing this on? I will fucking guarantee that normal men would absolutely mind being on female hormones.
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>>9022336
>As I and many neuroscientists see it transsexuality is a congenital condition
Proofs? The only evidence I've seen seemed rather dubious.
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>>9022477
http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2015to2019/2016-transsexualism.html
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>>9022391
I admited to myself at 25. Before I have had agp, jealousy of women, mild dysphoria pushed away by mind tricks and mild depression/depersonalisation. I wish I would ask myself about this feelings sooner, but humans defence mechanisms are outstanding. Why I didn't do it at 18, instead of starting at 26 :(
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>>9022450
well I mid it too, why should I do it if Im not transitioning? they just make me feel different and kinda kill my libido - not entirely but enough that I dont care abut AGP and dont get frustrated

when you are on T you have this drive and with AGP its absolutely tormenting you, because you cant do anything, its something you cant reach
when you are on HRT you lose the drive, you dont care it's alleviating gender dysphoria but its bad for everything else
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>>9022512
The dysphoria-alleviating effect is experienced by trans people who aren't AGP as well - why do you assume that you only feel better because HRT dampens your libido rather than because you're trans and you were "meant" to run on these hormones?
If hormones make you feel better and you want to live as a woman why aren't you transitioning?
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>>9022550
because I dont want to be a woman especailly on HRT?
Im not a woman, Im a fem guy and I dont want to be a hon
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I know someone who's on HRT and she also lost AGP but she's still dysphoric - she needs to transition

but for me its different, I just stop to care, if I have no AGP then I dont want to be a woman
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Ill probably go buy more pills tomorrow
I dont care anymore, whatever makes the life tolerable, booze or estrogen
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>>9022588
If you don't want to be a woman why did you take HRT in the first place?
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I'm know I'm feeling dysphoria all of the time and outside if sex itself but the sexual element is so strong that I do theorise that the distress would sigfnificantly decrease if I was able to sterilise myself of sexual thoughts.
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Anyone else still have occasional moments of male sexuality? On rare occasions I still feel like fucking a girl as a man and it's this that is dissuading me from transition
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>>9022806
I have never experienced male sexuality. Why I am into girls, piv was always like homework, something I had to do, and not something I wanted to do. Funny that despite being exclusively female in whole sexuality I didn't even asked myself about it heh
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>>9022712
So i wouldn't become a gross hairy pig
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>>9022728
>istress would sigfnificantly decrease if I was able to sterilise myself of sexual thoughts

did that for me thats for sure
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>tfw you come here to sadpost about being 4ever closeted but every time you come here you feel bad for the other sadposters and end up pep talking them instead
help
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>>9023221
What is a people-pleaser doormat?
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>>9023233
Ding ding ding a winrar is you
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>>9023149
How did you sterilise yourself of sexual thoughts?
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Hrt in around a month <3 finally!
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>>9023456
Congrats!
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>>9023460
Thanks. Hope that I will in group of lucky ones and got more than few changes :P
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>>9023451
HRT makes you non-horny and insensitive to porn
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First time in like 4 years I have motivation to something since I want ffs :3
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>>9023484

Some early transitioning trannies do still fuck like rabbits though, or is just a porn stereotype?
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>>9023484
>non-horny and insensitive to porn
Already happened and I'm repressing.
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>>9023504
not like you become asexual but you just stop being horny as much and you dont care
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>>9021360
You guys have a discord?
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>>9023919
yeah but it doesn't matter because you'll never get invited so don't even bother
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>tfw been self medding and still too masculine for /b/
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>>9023927
>>tfw been self medding and still look exactly the same
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>>9023927
>>9023932
Don't scare me anons
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>>9023932
>>9023927
how long? for a week?
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>>9023939
few months
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>>9023939
2 years on and off
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>>9023972
>handsome guy turned himself into a freakshow
Enjoy your regret fagget
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>tfw the technology will be there in your lifetime
Feels good putting off suicide for this.
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>>9023972
um, ok now post the actual ffs results after healing
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>>9023972
Why are you bruised?
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>>9023995
Pic unrelated. Self pity aside are there any aesthetic hons i could follow for motivation.
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>>9024003
a few on youtube yes
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>>9024007
Like who




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