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Magic Edition
>the sci-fi fags complained about fantasy, got two threads and wasted it
>what is your favourite type of magic?
>what type of magic makes you drop a book?
>is magic more enjoyable when it's believable?

FANTASY
Selected:
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/0935e4cd59/105363.jpg
General:
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21328.jpg
Flowchart:
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21327.jpg

SCIENCE FICTION
Selected:
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21326.jpg
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114401.jpg
General:
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21332.jpg
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21330.jpg

NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21333.jpg

SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
>http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php

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>>11451220
>what is your favourite type of magic?
science
>what type of magic makes you drop a book?
magic
>is magic more enjoyable when it's believable?
obviously
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>>11451114
>he's also very good at violently attacking border patrol agents with his fists
If only. He got his shit pushed in for running his mouth when he should have kept silent.
Still far more aggressive then the current crop of basedboys that seem to dominate the writing scene.
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>>11451502
>Read the Vorkosigan books.
Could you sell me on them in a sentence or two? Thanks for the recommendation.
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Is Moiraine the greatest female character in all of sci-fi/fantasy?
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>>11451139
he's too poor for coke like me

>>11451114
PettWatt is an alpha male and would likely dominate you, little man
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>>11451630
she looks Arabian
you do the math
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John c wright is talking about lotr if anyone's interested:
https://youtu.be/8K2Mf53pXZY
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>>11451264
I'm telling you, build that time machine
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>>11451630
I want to have sex with lanfear!!
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sanderfag a hack
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>>11451264
Is Mr.Robot the only "Hack the planet save the world!" story where hacking the big evil corporation realistically sent the economy down the shit and made everything worse?
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>writes a short children's fantasy series in just over a year that manages to be better than most "real" fantasy fiction
How did he do it?
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>>11452274
garth nix is based. Sabriel and its sequels are all GOATS as well
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>>11452134
She's not real anon...
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>>11451781
>any kind of head covering looks like a hajib to me
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>>11451220
>what is your favourite type of magic?
I really liked the magic in Black Magician trilogy. It had rules and limitations that could be clearly explained, but it wasn't this whole elaborate "system".
>what type of magic makes you drop a book?
It's more bad writing with magic than the magic itself. If the author obviously never put any real thought into it and just lazily cobbles together vague ideas and never explains or explores them so he can make stuff up as needed, I get pretty sick of it. Raymond E. Feist was notoriously bad at this.
>is magic more enjoyable when it's believable?
The fuck does "believable" mean with respect to magic? If you can't suspend your disbelief you shouldn't be reading fantasy.
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>>11451630
No because Nynaeve exists, though Moiraine is pretty based.
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>>11452512
>Nyneave
>everything that goes wrong is a mans fault even if there isn't one in 20 miles
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>>11450177
>Dont ever start the Shadowmarch series then
I've read Shadowmarch and I found it a lot more enjoyable than MSaT.
>Actually it wouldnt have been so bad without all those fucking stories about the gods, but those were really hard to bear.
Those were literally my favorite part of the whole series. I loved the tangled mythology and piecing it all together from the three different versions, I actually drew relationship charts to sort out who was who with the different names for each god.

Probably just a difference in what we look for in fantasy. I look for amazing world building and mythology, and Tad Williams generally delivers on that. He's big on fairies and mythology so I love almost everything he's written. I just think he takes a while to get started.
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>>11452521
Yes, it's precious how much of a tough front she puts up. I can't believe people actually don't like her and don't understand her character. She's the most anime female character in any fantasy series I've read, she's basically a classic tsundere.
>short, cute, but very serious demeanor
>desperately wants everybody to take her seriously
>due to her height and youthful appearance everybody keeps treating her like a young girl instead of the village wisdom
>starts acting tough and aggressive to assert her authority, even carries a stick to thump people with
>finally meets a man she can't bully into submission because of his ruggedness and extreme competence
>she immediately falls in love with him and later marries him and becomes his doting wife
And this is putting aside what an amazingly steadfast and loyal friend she is to Rand. She's one of a tiny handful of people he never stopped trusting in the entire series.
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>>11452547
It's a shame Egwene humiliates her, she's one of the most caring and the most loyal woman in the series.
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It's occurring to me that as a Dresden fan, I really don't have an understanding of what type of magic takes how much power

>magic required to make a person's chest explode from miles away: a thunderstorm and two former parents having a fuck-off
>magic required to kill two wizards: hundreds of people executed over a ley line while the entire aztec pantheon is in attendance

>death curses are supposed to be incredibly powerful but the only things we've seen them do are give an incubus erectile dysfunction and give a guy the idea the mercy-kill his GF instead of getting her help
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>>11452274
the only grip ei have with this series is that they didn't fuck at the end
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>>11451843
Wright is definitely one of the better SFF authors writing right now even if not everything he publishes is a home run, but I'm not reading his fucking blog.
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>>11452622
The one unfortunate flaw of being intended for pre-teens is that their relationship doesn't go as far as it feels like it should.
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>>11452266
I think so but i haven't seen most "hacking" shows because they usually don't actually hack anything. Mr. Robot does a pretty damn good job with it and that's not even why I like it. The music and overall production is pure kino. (I'm not the guy you replied to btw, i just wanted to talk about my favourite current show)
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>>11451561
Well I'd say the Vorkosigan saga is a multi-generational space opera series that's mostly about a guy who was crippled before birth by a chemical weapon attack, because of his physical disabilities ("bones of talc") he's gotta win through smarts and guile, and ends up in his planet's intelligence/security agency instead of the military because of this. So the series follows him through about 30-40 some years of his life, along with a few side-stories about other characters and his parents.

Quite honestly it's got some of the best character writing I've read in scifi, it feels like the stories are about people rather than characters.
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>>11452893
All true, and she doesn't forget the plot and let it coast on being some kind of psychodrama. The characters are front and center, but are shown through stories that mix action, humor and heroism. It got a little soft for me many books in, but thinking about the early ones I may have to pick it up again.
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>>11451220
I guess like Tarot magic and archetype magic because of Last Call by Tim Powers and Vurt by Jeff Noon

I don't drop a book because of its magic system. I drop a book because of bad prose or bad characters

I don't care if magic is believable. Zelazny didn't bother to explain most of the Amber magic but its one of my favorite series
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>>11451630
i just started wheel of time and damn, is that what she's supposed to look like?
i thought these kids were like 16 but she looks fully mature
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>>11453057
moiraine isnt one of the kids sweety
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>>11453019
Right that too. She does a great job balancing humor and seriousness.

Like you said I feel the more recent Miles stories have been a bit stale, and I think maybe he's being "retired" from the spotlight in favor of supporting characters now that he's older. Like somebody said in the last thread, Captain Vorpatril's Alliance is one of the best books in the series, and IMO the better parts of Cryoburn (which I didn't like much overall, like Cetaganda it just felt "meh") were the ones with Armsman Roic.
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>>11451520
I really like that art for Theseus but the Rorschach looks like shit, it doesn't fit the design described at all
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>>11453057
Moiraine is at least 30.
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>>11452557
I hate Egwene so much glad she dies. I dislike Elaine almost as much if only because of how insufferably stupid and stuck up she is. Walks into basically the exact same trap set by the Black Ajah 3 times, never learns, somehow gets sucked off by everybody for being "so brave" when she's just a colossal idiot.

Nynaeve on the other hand has real grit. She puts up with so much white tower horse shit that she could not care any less about solely to advance her own goals and never strays from her true loyalties.
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>>11453057
Rand, Matt, and Perrin are all about 19 or so at the start of Eye of the World. Nynaeve is I think 20 or so, Egwene is just a couple years younger than them.

Moiraine though is an adult, her age is just hard to determine because she is Aes Sedai, they have an "ageless" look about them, which can make a woman in her 60s seems maybe in her 30s. Moiraine looks about the same age as Nynaeve and Egwene but she's considerably older.
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Min is still best girl
Lanfear would be miles ahead if Jordan and Sanderhack didn't ruin her
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>>11453395
>>11453379
According to the Wheel of Time Compendium, Moiraine is 42 years old at the start of Eye of the World. Nynaeve is 24. Characters in general are often a lot older than people expect, especially Aes Sedai.
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Quick rec me something comfy.
No litrpg/trash please.
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>>11453422
why are medieval villagers so immature? I'm only 20 and I'm 100x more intelligent than the main characters
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>>11453613
because they're medieval, duh
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recommend novels with massive creatures that are relevant to the story
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>>11453779
Book of the New Sun
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>>11453779
moby dick
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>>11453779
Blindsight
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>sci-fi hero thrust into a fish-out-of-water situation
>surrounded by strange cultures and sexually curious alien women
>doesn't fuck a single one of them
>actually goes out of his way to avoid fucking any of them
>not even his plucky alien sidekick who clearly wants the human D
>hero eventually returns home with his xeno-virginity intact
>immediately shacks up with his old sweetheart, a dumpy girl with zero personality
>all she does is gossip and talk about food and wine
>considered a happy ending

I'm about to lose my goddamned shit.
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>>11454145
Having sex with aliens is degenerate.
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>finally start reading The Stars, My Destination
>MC is a literal retard
Welp this better be interesting
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>>11454164
mental illness is a super power goi
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>>11454164
gully is a fucking spacepimp
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Holy shit, I can't stop reading this series.
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>>11452274
I remember really enjoying his Keys to the Kingdom series when I was young. Gave me nightmares too.
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>>11454581
I lost my innocence when it turned out the Will was murdering the defeated Days. For what fucking purpose.
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>>11453779
Stormlight.
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How does Robin Hobbs work fare? I've read Assasins Apprentice, some nice bits but a bit slow. Is the rest worth continuing with?

>>11452503
Have been enjoying Raymonds work lately, nearly finished Rage of a Demon King and about to start Shards of a Broken Crown. I agree about the magic aspect too, lots of buildup for Pug (+ Macros and others) and his power then gets completely jobbed trying to attack the enemies flagship. Derp.
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Is there a book where the female MC seduces a lot of monsterboys? Asking for a weird friend haha
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Does anyone know, is there any way to read early sf magazines issues like "Azimov's Science Fiction" or "The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction". Found some really intriguing author's short stories titles, but have no idea about getting 'em.
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>>11454744
/sffg/ doesnt welcome degenerates, fuck off
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Should I read Worm? It says 100 hours on my kindle. Is it worth my worthless time?
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>>11455110
I would also like an opinion desu.
My friend keeps telling me it's the best thing ever but he also likes soundcloud rap so I don't trust his taste.
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>>11455110
>>11455113
It's shit.
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>>11454972
Always check archive.org
this place is pretty cool though
http://www.luminist.org/archives/SF/
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>>11455113
>>11455110
As far as web novels go, it's darker in tone and the author actually cares about prose (not to say it's anything to write home about compared to published works) so it has a cult following.

If you want to read a web novel that's not poorly translated, and a plot that's edgy and fit for a 12 year old's diary, but also takes itself seriously and isn't filled to the brim with dumb one-liners, it's definitely worth a shot.
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>>11455110
>>11455113
It's not good. It might appeal to some people but the author has very obvious hangups about a number of things. The story contorts to make these hangups not only very visible, but also to make them right. The most obvious of these is his idea that authority can never be trusted. Because of these hangups the series unironically deserves the label "grimderp".

Leaving all that aside (though you shouldn't) the powers all come with a manual, the action isn't written all that well, etc.

I wouldn't recommend reading anything Wildbow wrote: not Worm, not Pact, not Twig, and not Worm 2 either.
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>>11454164
It's definitely interesting if nothing else, keep reading Anon.
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>>11455130
>http://www.luminist.org/archives/SF/
Wow, thanks! Didn't know about last one.
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>>11455110
It depends. Do you like capeshit? Can you tolerate what's essentially 1.6M words worth of a rough draft? It's a free webnovel, so you can just read a few chapters and make judgement yourself. Though the first few arcs make it seem like it's going to be typical YA shit until a certain wave hits.
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>>11455335
>until a certain wave hits.
At what point? 10% in? 20?
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>>11455190
>his idea that authority can never be trusted

No, that's what the main character thinks and several characters call her out on how she plays mental gymnastics to justify doing shitty things. "Authority has potential to be as corrupt as the corruption it claims to fight" is more fitting to what actually goes on. And Worm is dark, but it's not grimderp. Especially compared to some other stories posted in this thread.
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>>11455113
>>11455110
its pretty good, imo its pretty high tier genre fiction and absolutely the best take on superheroes(although thats not a high bar, maybe watchmen is better I havnt read it). I wouldnt say its grimderp really, although its certainly edgy. Certainly could use an editor and theres a shitty timeskip later on but tbqh its pretty fucking good imo and you should read it, especially because its free.
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>>11455375
this, daily reminder cauldron was actually completely right and they were the only reason humanity survived
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I started reading it to give it a try, and I have a question: does bullying like the depicted in the book actually happens in the US ? I get name calling and maybe some banter but actual violence? dropping juice on someone? what the fuck. If that happened in my country the people responsible would get expelled.
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>>11455347
~25% of the way in.
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>>11455429
1 hour in and I'm still at 1%....fug
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>>11455415
Probably happens in your country too desu. Not common but some kids are real nasty. From what I've heard girls are way worse bullies too desu.
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>>11455466
Maybe...in my country we don't choose classes, we share primary school and middle school (so you know your classmates since you are a kid) and then you choose the type of highschool suitable for your interests (art school, technical school, etc) so at least you share a highschool with people with your own interests. And there isn't any bullying at university. At all. No frathouses and such.
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>>11455491
in no country do you "choose classes"
life isn't an rpg
stop reading those fake litrpg
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>>11455491
>>11455516
in germany, we get to choose classes to an extent.
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>>11455516
I'm reading Worm, maybe you should read the thread before going on an anti rpg rant. In lots of countries people choose classes, not on mine. The girl in the book mentioned having classes where her bullies aren't in. That's why I mentioned choosing classes. In my country we don't have that luxury. Maybe don't comment if you have no idea what you're talking about, thanks.
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>>11454523
Is this series actually good?
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>>11455516
in many countries you choose different classes based on what you study. theres a baseline like math and history for example but then you can choose if you want to do a sports class, home ec or workshop etc. also in universities you have to choose your classes.
this has nothing to do with litrpgs.
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>>11455538
No, it's one spammer.
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>>11455538
Of course, the author graduated magna cum laude.
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If anyone wants western cultivation try Dungeon Born by Dakota
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>>11455415
It's been a long time but I fought two bullies in high school, won the first, second was a draw. Saw lots of other physical bullying. The US is fucked up in many ways.
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>tfw i used to bully this one boy that just transfered to our middle school
i still feel guilty about that, have to apologize if i ever met him again
my justification is he's always bragging about his sport skills and academic score in his past school but after he transfered it's the opposite
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>>11455810
Nothing wrong with that desu, Some dudes talking bullcrap people are gonna want to fuck with him.
Hopefully you taught him to cut it out
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>>11455717
I find it funny they used flavor anon's idea.
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What's wrong with litrpg?
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>>11455903
you are not allowed to like things I don't like
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>>11455903
Nothing, but /lit/ shits on my taste all the time so I'm going to blow off steam shitting on yours.
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>>11455903
Show me a single good litrpg
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>>11455931
define "good"
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>>11455940
a genre defying work that's recivied mass critical acclaim and will still be read a hundred years from now.
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>>11455957
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>>11455831
Hate to tell you this Anon but you're one of the shitty people
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>>11455931
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>>11456045
none of the above >>11455957
I hope you can do better
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>>11456024
Come on anon, don't tell me there wasn't some obese ginger kid (probably with some skin condition) at school who you picked on with everyone else.
Unless that kid was you of course.
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>>11455957
That's not "good", that's "classic" like Paul Dano.
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>>11455931
The Quran.
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>>11453613
Everyone in Wheel of Time has brain damage it's not just the villagers.
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>>11451520
>Blindsight
>MUH nonsentient eusocial space-faring aliens
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>>11452512
Don't know what happened but I went from despising Nynaeve to loving her suddenly.
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>>11456045
>dog bitch
what abomination is this from?
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>>11456333
you take that back you double nigger
andrea is great
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>>11456340
What the fuck is that monstrosity?
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>>11456353
BACK OFF
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>>11456362
Oh my!
It looks like something out of anime... only worse.
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>>11456353
Don't bully her, she is autistic. She randomly yells PANCACKES!, at inappropriate moments.
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>>11456384
She was also mentally retarded but she got better.
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>Dude you can't drop it at book one, the story gets started at book 8!

Please explain to me why I should trust an author to turn their shitty story good later on when they couldn't be assed to make the beginning good?
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>>11456399
>Retard somehow managed to run a PMC
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>>11456362
It actually took me several chapters of disbelief before I could fully comprehend that his books were literally fanfiction tier in quality, plot, and characters, etc
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>>11456410
if africans can do it so can a toddler pretty much
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>>11456410
We both know her initials stats, go complain to the author about inconsistencies.
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>>11456417
>tfw set sight elevation to max in the belief that the bullets will do more damage because of it
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>>11456384
Is this true?
I was close to actually reading it.
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>>11456479
Very. Her entire character is wanting to fuck the protagonist, wanting pancakes, and being retard until it's time to kill people.
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>>11456487
I had no idea people were reading such trash.
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>>11456487
sounds like my kind of woman
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>>11456510
holy shit and it has heterochromia too
10/10 character design
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>>11456479
To be fair, she is the only annoying character, the premise is fun.
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>>11455190
>I wouldn't recommend reading anything Wildbow wrote: not Worm, not Pact, not Twig, and not Worm 2 either.

You don't like it but you still read all of that stuff?
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>>11456565
And the moment she's introduced she's in nearly all the scenes.
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>go to bookstore
>there's a grill in the sci-fi and fantasy section
>go to another section and wait for her to leave
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>>11456634
You make me feel better about myself, thank you.
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When the fuck is the final Firefall book coming out?
How the heck is Watts going to wrap everything up?
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>>11456634
Who doesn't do this?
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>>11451220
best fantasy book I've read other than the lord of the rings. That god cunt is a such a well detestable villain.
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Reading books is kinda boring.
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>>11456792
i need my escapism
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>>11456738
>Current plan is to do Omniscience after I do Intelligent Design, which I should be doing now. Except my agent is all eager for me to just do a big honking epic doorstop Sunflowers book, which I hesitate to do at this point because I don't want to limit the potential format of that universe to the static written word, but we'll see.
>I fully intend to write a third and final book in the Firefall series-- but I haven't begun it, haven't pitched it much less sold it.

Taken from his recent ama. So 2021ish maybe?
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>>11456825
Fuck sake hope this doesn't turn into a GRRM situation.
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>>11456792
I have to read them for fun because video games are boring.
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>>11456833
Fortunately for us, Peter Watts, being an avid runner is in a far, far better shape than GRRM.
That of course does not mean that he will not try to mouth off at various uniformed and armed personnel around the world and get his shit pushed in.

>>11456814
So do I, but lately books just aren't cutting it for me.

>>11456841
Maybe you just got too old for them, like I did.
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>>11456792
ADD is a terrible thing
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>>11456851
>That of course does not mean that he will not try to mouth off at various uniformed and armed personnel around the world and get his shit pushed in.
to what does this refer? haven't heard of watts of grrm getting fighty with police, what's going on?
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>>11456851
Playing games feels like work. Struggle against something then when you finally succeed you get your dopamine hit. Might as well drop it and take writing up since they give me the same feelings. At least one has some practical application.
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>>11456898
>>11456841
I rarely play video games anymore. I'm always downloading them and starting them, but I rarely ever play for more than a few hours a week, and it's uncommon for me to finish anything unless it's really great.

The less I play games, the more I find myself grabbing books, but I doubt I'll ever drop gaming entirely. It's too deeply ingrained in my habits.
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>captured by the Scientific People
>FUCK THAT SHIT
>I'mma ram on up outta here, girl
Okay I like it so far, Gully is pretty fucking spacepimp
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>>11454972
Speaking of which, are SF magazines a thing today? I could totally see myself subscribing to something that's released quarterly.
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Anyone know something like Radiance where the solar system and space travel look like something out of a silent film? (e.g. the great pyramids of mars and the lush rainforests of venus, etc)
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>>11455903
Playing a video game is not a power fantasy.
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Any sci-fi similar to the Mass Effect universe?
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>>11454734
I read a ton of Feist's stuff as a teenager, I loved the Riftwar Saga and Serpent War saga but I kinda burned out on the stuff after that. Still have like 15 of his books on my shelf. Best thing he wrote was that trilogy Mistress of the Empire he cowrote with Janny Wurts, way less magicians and renegade princes, way more political intrigue and sex. Feist's non-Midkemia stuff can get pretty raunchy I found out to my surprise, so it's weird how tame his mainstay fantasy series is.
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>>11456331
Most people dislike Nynaeve at first, but then you get to know what she's really like and it's impossible not to adore her.
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>>11457354
Elaborate. What about Mass Effect's universe do you want from another story?
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>>11456410
Hi yes war nerd here! There are a remarkable number of mercenary stories that end with "and then everybody died, ratted their buddies out, or ended up in prison." Mercenaries are generally the people who either couldn't get into a real military force, got kicked out for being too unstable, or possible psychopaths where fighting is all they know. (eg large portion of mercenaries in West Africa are former soldiers from the South African apartheid military, allegedly the African governments like them more than US advisors because they're less racist and are more grounded in the realities of training armies with marginal equipment.)

Shit the Blackwater guy just ratted on Trump Jr. last month about how Trump had him set up meetings with Russian agents.
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>>11456088
No but we did kick a couple people out of our group and we were already the out group (punks in a school ruled by jocks) so that was pretty shitty, and some other garbage that was pure assholery.
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>>11457169
There are still a fair number IIRC, Asimov's Science Fiction and Fantasy & Science Fiction Magazine still exist.

But most of them have either moved to being online zines or blogs (eg Black Gate's last printed issue was in 2011), or have been started up recently as such, like Grimdark Magazine.
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>>11457375
Humanity being part of a big space eu and women in tight jumpsuits.
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In a foreign town, in a foreign land.
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Echopraxia is wack as fuck and not really horror-y, I'm about 3/4ths of the way through it
I'm enjoying it but Blindsight was better, I think
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>>11457354
Seconding. But I want more of Shepard. Man, it's so hard to find a decent main character nowadays. It's either a white-knight or an edgy fag.

A comfy space adventure with friends on a space-ship and having some interpersonal time between missions. Having a nice universe to explore is a plus. I miss Mass Effect, it's a shame EA shat on it and killed it.
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>story written by a black woman
>everyone is abused
>everyone is extremely promiscuous
>hooks up with step sisters/brothers
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Anons are having a pretty good argument on /m/ as to whether or not the federation in "Starship Troopers" is a fascist government. So I've come to ask the big brains, are they?
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>>11458593
I'm not sure they quite fit the definition of "fascism" since fascism implies a focus on races and I'm not sure if actual xenophobia (involving aliens) qualifies.
Other than that they're at least extremely militaristically authoritarian which is a hallmark of fascism
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>>11458604
>"fascism" since fascism implies a focus on races
Since when?
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>>11458615
Since always?
Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Germany both leaned on rhetoric involving their race being superior
Granted, Mussolini's Fascism was less focused on that aspect but it was still there
In my book, it's just not quite fascism if there isn't a strong racial element to the theory and rhetoric
You can't call a government fascist if it's JUST racist or JUST authoritarian, it has to be both
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Is it worth starting the wheel of time series even if I only intend to read 2-3 books in the series?
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>>11451220
Just finished this. Recommended, but clearly expects you to read the rest of the trilogy so it doesn't really "end" as such.
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>>11457169
>>11457511
There's also Analog Science Fiction & Fact
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>>11458582
N. K. Jemison is a fucking cunt and blocked me on twitter for no reason. I think I used a GoT gif that pissed me off. Her book was shit too but I dropped it immediately after that.
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>>11458671
t. incel
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>>11458623
Im sorry you got dropped as a baby anon, stay strong and fret not, you'll find in my a shoulder to cry on.
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>>11458671
>for no reason
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>>11458593
I feel it is. While technically/theoretically a government DMV clerk or social worker can vote too, pretty much all we're actually shown in the book implies the government is effectively a military junta.

Civilians, while prosperous and happy (as far as we know, Johnny Rico is from a wealthy family), are essentially kept in a "societal terrarium" while the party, formed and staffed by federal service vets (after WW3 was started by "moral decline" IIRC) provides the Guiding Hand of Dear Leader. The Skinnies and later the Arachnids provide the outside threat of "the other."

But on the other hand, again anybody can join the Federal Service and get a vote. So perhaps if not true fascism it's a elitist form of pseudo-fascism.

Either way I view the book as a good way to explain why fascism appealed to people before WWII, and it works too well in that role to make me think Heinlein didn't intend it.

>>11458623
The Soviet Union fits almost all of Umberto Eco's fascism signifiers but was not particularly racist outside of it's policies towards Jews and Russian ethnic minorities such as Siberian natives, and then later after the Sino-Soviet Split they started promoting a lot of anti-Chinese propaganda through their supporters in the west.
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Its so stupid to hear people talk about "fascism" nowadays when we live in the most totalitarian states to ever exist

Every single aspect of our lives is over regulated
Can't even wipe your ass without thinking "is this permitted by the government"
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>>11458726
>this is what libertarians actually believe
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>>11458731
We are less free today than in war time Italy, Nazi Germany, or in the USSR
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>>11458717
Could it really be a Military junta? According to Heinlein in Expanded universe:
>No military or civil servant can vote or hold office until after he is discharged and is again a civilian. The military tend to be despised by most civilians and this is made explicit. A career military man is most unlikely ever to vote or hold office; he is more likely to be dead -- and if he does live through it, he'll vote for the first time at 40 or older." [Heinlein 1980:398]
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>>11458736
>this is what libertarians actually believe
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>>11458736
it would be funny if it wasnt true. i read corespondent letters from nazi germany. even if it was obviously fascist like for example the hitler youth. a lot of the things have been handled very well. for example the currency. before the war currency was backed by the worth of the individual worker while still controlled by the government which made germany very prosperous. during the war the economy skyrocketed because wars are very profitable. its hilarious to thing how the war literally only began because germany wanted to ban foreign owned banks from germany. it spiraled so hard out of control its not even funny. the USSR though that was a shit place. and it was much much more totalitarian than any nation nowadays.
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>>11458763
Which he wrote after the fact as a "no no you've got it all wrong, 90% of Citizens aren't military vets" type of thing IIRC. But in the original story, we don't see any of this even in Johnny Rico's flashbacks to childhood.
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>>11458800
Not the 95% civilian service, but Federal servants being unable to vote or hold office is straight from the book:
>[...] and, on being honorably discharged at the completion of my full term of active service or upon being placed on inactive retired status after having completed such full term, to carry out all duties and obligations and to enjoy all privileges of Federation citizenship including but not limited to the duty, obligation and privilege of exercising sovereign franchise for the rest of my natural life unless stripped of honor by verdict, finally sustained, of court of my sovereign peers.
>Why, I had gone through all this to get my franchise, hadn't I?— and if I went career, I was just as far away from the privilege of voting as if I had never enrolled ... because as long as you were still in uniform you weren't entitled to vote.
>You and I are not permitted to vote as long as we remain in the Service [...]
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fact: gay male prostitute is the most popular federal job to get citizenship in Starship Troopers world
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>>11458813
True. The federation is a Fagocracy.
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>>11458810
We can take a look at China and see essentially the same thing happening though, People's Liberation Army generals "retire" straight into political positions or running PLA-owned factories. Obviously they're not running the show while they're in federal service but they're still going to maintain those links they had after leaving.
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>>11458830
And meanwhile in the west its lawyers who "retire" into politics, all the same shit
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>>11458641
go for it. thats what i plan on doing. im 80 pages into the first book and its pretty comfy.
i just want someone to talk about it with
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>Light Speed -The creation of the first craft capable of accelerating to light speed the solar system has flared up in activity in the New Gold Rush. Rival nations begin to bicker over asteroids teeming with precious metals while their politicians argued over who should be allowed to fly such a craft given the destructive nature of objects moving at light speed.

>Fighting subsides, leaders of the major nations solidify their power and political control.
What should I name those powers? Are 'Dynasties' overused?
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>>11459198
and the gimmick is that only mildly autistic virgin neets over the age of 35 can fly the ships
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Should I continue reading the Chung Kuo series?
I read the first novel, "Son of Heaven". It was comfy at the beginning, but as soon as the Chinese appeared it became a mix of war propaganda and exploitation literature.
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>>11456870
Yeah but in my case it's more of a Attention Depletion Disorder.
I go through so much technical documentation at work I can rarely muster the energy to read the good stuff and I can't stomach litrpg and all other pretend literature.

>>11456898
I just don't have the energy for it.

>>11456877
Peter Watts, being the proud Canadian with a superiority complex, had a run-in with the US Border Patrol or Customs (it's been a while so I don't remember the details). The said run-in being him getting tackled and piled-on by half a dozen officers after mouthing off some tard on a power trip. The whole thing was settled in court and he is now unable to visit the US.
All in all Peter Watts is pretty hardcore.
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>>11459223
Anything involving chinks is a hard no.
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gardens of the moon is actually good dunno wtf you faggots were talking about
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>>11453779
The Scar, Mieville
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>>11451220
acquired a bit of an epiphany again..

even within the realm of being "at the helm" of your consciousness in terms of where it goes,
you still are drawn to this sphere of 'many conscious entities (in their limited formats, souls)
because there is an incredibly interesting consensus that is undergoing an evolution
or non-consensus, an interplay that you could not experience yourself in your limited form
with the supposition of eternity, ... these "worlds" to enter into seem like the perfect thing
more than a reasonably minded person could figure it to be..
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>>11458671
>Jemison
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>>11456510
there are people who enjoy reading shit and understanding that it is shit it is like scat porn to them. I also do this
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>tugs braid
>barks a laugh
>threw up his hands
jordan for fucks sake
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>>11457173
Clark Ashton Smith
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What's the most trash book you have actually liked?
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>>11459790
Dresden Files
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>>11459327
Man I want a thicc mature Japanese qt to spend time with and do lewd things.
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>>11457537
Undying Mercenaries by Bv Larson
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>>11458671
There are many people who have their twitter set up to auto-block people based on who they follow. You probably follow trump or some other random politician or public speaker or someone that is tangentially related to the "alt-right" and that means she auto-banned you.
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>>11459790
Probably the books in your pic. I also enjoyed a bunch of the Dune spinoffs
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>>11458535
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>>11459790
black jewels series by anne bishop
though "liked" is too much, it just clicked with me and I don't know why, I was literally cringing while reading it
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>>11459701
Do you also have a general where you spend time extolling the virtues of one particular scat porn movie genre above all others?
Cuz we are swamped with litrpg, chink shit and phone book fantasy bro.

>>11459838
But then you wouldn't have time to read anon.
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>>11458650
I read Pandora’s Star and whatever the second book was. Pretty good but really slow at some parts and too much sex also didn’t like the whore that became a major character. Been thinking of reading the void trilogy.
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>>11458736
Maybe in Europe
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>>11460009
Maybe it was the loli rape. It's funnynto see that women deep down want to be raped, the author is female, so she would know.
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>>11457354
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>>11460161
That's nothing like Ass Effect.
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>>11460174
Go on find self published Amazon space opera ebooks. I'm sure they have plenty of what you're looking for.
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>>11460252
Oh I am not that anon.
I am just pointing out that the pet work by your pet author is nothing like Mass Effect. I am not implying that it's bad or anything.
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>>11460425
hnnngh
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>>11460174
>has on heels and is arching back
>still no ass
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>>11460425
>all that smoothness
>that belly button dip
>that little vagina zipper
my goodness
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>Jizbella
>let's get out together, Gully!
>suddenly later turns on him
>REEE I'LL TEAR HIS BANDAGES OFF AND KILL HIM
>NO WE CAN'T LEAVE HIM BEHIND
Author can write a woman perfectly.
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>>11460174
>an inferior version of Inhibitors
>not even remotely attempted to be written well
>"nothing like Ass Erect"
You have a point, it is on such an unviewable higher platform.
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*protagonist sneered*
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FUCK ROMANTIC SUB-PLOTS IN FANTASY
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>>11460687
Thank you, how do you feel about loner characters? Do you tend to miss the dialogue?
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I don't own a television would have a field day with Super Sales.
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>>11459913
Checking it out, thanks my man.
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>>11460553
Best part of sci-fi.
Hot babes in latex.

>>11460520
I am sure there is some midget latina with an ass so big she looks borderline deformed on insta for you.
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>>11460594
Does it have genetically engineered hot babes in latex? No?
Does it have blue skinned race of alien babes who took fucking around and made a culture around it? No?
Does it have super sexy AI's? No?
Well than, it can't be that good.
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>>11461005
Some tell the Super Sales author to write a space opera for this man.
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>>11460968
>>11461005
Please stop, I'm wearing tight jeans and this is getting painful.
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>>11461017
Pls I like my space opera written by someone good.

>>11461036
Last one.
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>>11461073
But Mass Effect was written by Bioware.
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>>11461083
Bioware were good in 2007
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>>11461115
Bioware was never good.
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>>11461125
Go away /v/irgin.
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>>11461125
Don't lie.
>>11461073
That one just looks weird.
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>>11461135
I don't browse /v/.

>>11461136
Good by video game and pulp scifi standards then.
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>>11461125
BG2 and KOTOR were great
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>>11460968
Then why don't you post an actual hot babe in latex?
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Just finished Vandermeer's "City of Saints and Madmen" and i have to say i enjoyed it quite a bit, very strong exercise in world building that never falls into the trap of going too far up it's own ass. It's continuously peppered with interesting stories that follow a line of beginning by being interesting by virtue of the strange fungi filled squid depending city of Ambergris and then develop into unsettling mysteries that hint at a hidden malevolent world much like Lovecraft does.

Particularly of note is the creativity of narration in the book as Vandermeer tells stories trough art critiques interspersed with conventional story telling, history guides with copious footnotes which give the historian narrator plenty of personality, he does some sort of parallel storytelling where one story is told while the narrator (on the sidelines) details the backgrounds of the fictional authors and illustrators of the story and most notably when he rewards you for reading an extensive fictional bibliography by hiding within it the fate of the character that's been narrating the story so far.

It's imo super clever but i reckon it might be annoying or just gimmicky to some. Very clearly influenced by Borges' sort of metafictional brand of storytelling with stories nestled within stories, essays and reviews although Vandermeer never gets as dense as Borges.

If i can fault the book for one thing is by starting with one of the weakest and longest entries, that being "Dradin, In Love". I even dropped the book 2 times previously because of this drag of a story.
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>>11460161
>alastair reynolds
Someday I'll manage to finish one of his books. I've been having a hard time until now.
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that out of the way you guys know of anything kinda in the same vein as vandermeer?

I understand he is part of a movement called The New Weird and I tried reading Mieville's Perdido Street Station but I remember not being into the beginning chapter at all. Maybe another book by him or another author would be better choices.
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>>11461005
She should have wore boots with that.
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>>11461417
Light by M John Harrison is good.
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What is /sffg/'s opinion of Glen Cook's Black Company series? Also, picked up my first standalone Glen Cook novel, Tower of Fear. Did I fuck up??
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>>11461547
I enjoyed it at first, dropped it when they went to that southern continent, but I think I got fed up after that spin-off with Raven.
Also he ruined the best girl.
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What are the best combinations of middle ages and scifi?
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>>11461559
I do agree that The Silver Spike was bad, but I liked the whole culture shock aspect of the books. A band of godless mauraders militarizing and promptly killing several hundreds of thousands of pacifists on both sides of the battlefield tips off my interest just enough.

Also, Catcher comes back baby!
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Does anyone have that info graphic about reading the Dune series? I'm almost done with the first book and not sure how far into the series I want to go.
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>>11461640
Yea but she's crazy now, before she was cunning and decisive.
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>>11461817
Go until you either get tired of it or hit Brian Herbert's stuff. Don't read Brian Herbert.

>>11461073
Well Sarah Hawke just started a space opera series.
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>>11461547
Currently reading through the series. It's good.
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Are there any fantasy where a noble hero just keeps getting shit on until he finally just goes full unrepentant villain?
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>>11461921
I actually disagree slightly. Not about Brian Herbert, he can fuck off. You should at least read through to God Emperor. It recontextualizes some stuff from the earlier books and is honestly the best book in the series. Okay, maybe the first one is better. Fuck you I liked God Emperor more.
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>>11461580
Star Wars
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>>11462008
Prince of Thorns I suppose.
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>>11462419
That's the exact opposite. Edgy shithead teenager eventually becomes a hero, but he's still kind of a shithead even at the end.
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Just finished the Once and Future King. Hoped for some chivalrous knights and glorification of Arthur. Instead got 5 separate books that are so different in their style(due to the author somehow changing so drastically in how he wrote over the couple of years he wrote it and being an edgelord who couldn’t separate his own views from the general idea of Arthurian stories). The first 3 books are excellent, the last one is a literary breakdown on the author’s behalf. The idea of Arthur as a character that was forged to end war is very compelling and I honestly thought it was well executed early on but failed in the latter parts as I previously said.

Anyone else have any thoughts on the book? Feeling pretty jaded after the last section.
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>>11462436
I only read the first one desu
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>>11461403
Oh look. Review anon is back.
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>>11461817
got you senpai, but I feel like it's pretty obvious already
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Any D&D-esque stories that aren't written in a humorous tone? Most that I've tried have overly witty characters making snarky remarks back and forth
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Is dune worth finishing? I'm 150 pages in and not enjoying it
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>>11462684
I'd say yes
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>>11462662
Deed of Paksenarrion grew out of a D&D game the author was playing and is mostly about a young woman becoming a mercenary and then a agnostic paladin. I don't recall it being very quippy.
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>>11456792

Even a bad book is more interesting than TV.
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>>11458439
The human story is so boring but what you find out about the world is great. It's a struggle, not a page turner like Blindsight
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What's the made in abyss of sffg? Alternatively what's the non dino equivalent of the Journey to the center of Earth, think I've read that a long time ago anyway.

Doesn't have to be about going down an actual hole, just going deeper and deeper into a wilderness with weird shit and weird individuals and not much society.
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>>11462919
>What's the made in abyss of sffg?

Please elaborate on what elements of Made in Abyss you're expecting from another story. I'm assuming you mean "People exploring a weird/dangerous environment" which there's Roadside Picnic and Annihilation of the top of my head.
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>>11462930
Something like that, preferably more fantasy than sci-fi though. If there even is any fantasy where the focus is on the weird environment and creatures, everyone seems to go with societies.
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>>11462834
Just finished it today and the ending really tied it all together
I also really appreciated the author's notes at the end, it's always nice to see stuff go into worldbuilding that barely gets mentioned but has lore supporting it
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When is it coming out, bros?
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>>11462987
When GRRM finishes his first draft of Winds of Winter.
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How's Grey Sister by Lawrence? The first book was okay, but I didn't like it enough to automatically seek the out the second one.
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>>11462987
after t. rump is impeached
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>>11461547
Just finished it, I now have a sudden and overpowering desire to fake my own death.
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>>11463009
if you didnt hate the first one you probably wont hate the second one. Imo theyre both absolutely awful but I enjoyed them anyway. At times the writing was so shitty that I actually sort of felt dirty for enjoying it, like I was wallowing in shit. By shitty I mean like this tryhard edgy anime cool vibe lawrence was going for. Anyway, yeah it's more of the same as the first novel mostly. Zole still best girl etc.
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>>11462825
Bad books can at least be entertainingly bad, or can be the target of amusing literary takedowns. Bad TV is just a waste of time.
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What information would you want to know first if time skipped forward 300 years
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>>11463054
But Zole doesn't do, and barely says, anything in the first one. Not that guy, I tried starting Gray sister and then the description of what Nona looks like at this point with the black eyes and shit made me put the book down. You say anime but I can't even think of anime getting as dumb as this does, more like an early-mid 2000s anime fan deviantart OC for naruto or something. Still might pick it back up at some point when bored enough.
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>>11462471
hello hello
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>>11463215
Did the Nazis win?
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>>11463215
What's the new h-doujin compiling website, I have a lot of catching up to do. Also does it have a VR option.
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>>11463215
>major wars, their winner and any geopolitical redrawing of borders
>most influential art movements of each century and their foremost exponents
>biggest advancements in science and current state of medicine
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>>11463215
is it finally the year of the asian gf
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>>11463215
Whether 4chan still exists
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>>11463300
I'll second that.
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>>11462987
i read the leaked version and its bad
dont expect anything from the 3rd book
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>>11463215
i just want to know if i ever end up with a girl or spending the rest of my old days alone
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>>11463334
>implying Rothfuck has put anything close to a rough draft together.

Nice try anon
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>>11463334
What leaked version?
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>>11463215
horse race / lottery / sports results
id bet enough money to become rich enough to buy real estate to rent out but not enough that someone would notice me winning so much.
after ive acquired said real estates id hire some firm to manage that shit all for me and never lift a finger in my life ever again. id probably take up random hobbies and travel the world for the rest of my life. i always wanted to go hunting in africa or maybe visit buddhist monk temples.
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>>11460425
was about to reply to something you said but looked at pic and now can't remember
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>>11463372
nvm im fucking retarded. its 6 am and i havent slept yet and misread your post.
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>>11462987
I pity GRRM and Rothfags. At least Sandersonfags get their 1k page tomes of anime in prose on time.
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thanks to that anon who recommend me this
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>>11463537
i liked it also overall a great series.
the second books sucks however hard. orli acted like a fucking cunt the entire book.
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>>11463537
first book is ok
maybe second book too
otherwise it starts to get dumb
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>>11461403
Oh, i read it in russian 2 times already.
>weakest and longest entries, that being "Dradin, In Love"
Nope. It was fun especially at the end.
>The Transformation of Martin Lake
That was the peak of this book.
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Posting since I think some people here might be interested, a French dev team is making a Dune/Foundation inspired game that looks pretty cool, there's a demo too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An317hx2LQA
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>>11463934
>>>/v/
no one cares about kikestarter failures here
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>>11463934
>games on lit
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>>11464124
There's a thread about tv/movie novelizations on /lit/. Pleb af.
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>>11462987
I can only guess that in writing the last book of his trilogy Rothfuss realized he had no more ideas. He'd put everything into this series and ran out of steam before even finishing it. If he published all three books that would be it, his career would basically be over because he'd have nothing left. But what if he never released the third one? What if he kept people constantly on the hook waiting for him to finish the series? Then they'd HAVE to care about him and invite him to cons, he'd never lose his relevance even if he no longer had any ideas or capacity to write any more fantasy. People would simply assume he was writing his series even if he'd given up on it. He'd get to live the life of a big name celebrity fantasy author like GRRM without actually doing even a tenth of the work for it.
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>>11464171
thats different and you know it faggot.
>>11463934
posted about a game that is inspired by dune and foundation but has no direct connection to it. it has nothing to do with /lit/.
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>>11463215
Is the internet still a thing and can I still download anime and porn off it?
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>>11463215
Whether ASoIaF has been finished yet.
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>>11464183
>going through 300 years of evolutions of futa on male doujinshi and written erotica
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>>11463215
How people live: in what (kind of) countries, on what standard of living, for how long, how far out in the solar system, what magical super-technology is the common off-the-shelf commodity people take for granted, what happened with the impending automation of the workforce and what do people do day-to-day.
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>>11464177
>thats different
It's worse. At least video games are sometimes good. Novelizations are always cash grab piles of steaming shit written by authors that need quick cash infusions and don't waste any brain cells on the effort. That thread is full of /tv/ plebs who also like to play pretend director to dream cast their waifus in imaginary live movie versions of their favorite chinese comics and cartoons as they masturbate their tiny dicks in the holes of a 5 disc stack of The Wire Season 1 dvds.
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>>11464348
probably we'd have 3rd
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>>11463252
Why didn't you rate it out of dinosaurs?
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>>11462684
I have regrets reading it. But at least I finished and can say objectively that it's dated as fuck, and can argue that point. So I can call out people with facts, finish it just so you can argue shills and memers down.
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>>11463934
Oh look. It's a shitty space tactics / rpg in space game with bad graphics.
>>>/v/
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>>11463314
This desu
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>>11454187
The sci-fi 'Count of Monte Cristo'.
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>>11459327
She should write a manga called 'Shit-Can Alley'.
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>>11464460
What's the joke of that pic?
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>>11465388
pizza




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