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Why didn't we listen?
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Huey Long seemed like a chill dude I don't know why Sinclair had such an angry hard on for him.
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>>11452618
Most people don’t give a shit who’s ruling if they don’t get shot imprisoned or tortured and they have enough food on the table.
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Why didn’t we listen? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5l4OEJ38aLY
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>>11452675
Not bad. Needs more of Paul's voice though.
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What's so scary about "fascism," anyway? What's different between a fascist leader and a king? Isn't fascism basically just monarchy with modernist aesthetics?
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>>11452892
There are no checks and balances, which means consolidation of power in one entity, which means less power for everyone else.
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>>11452892

fascism is preferable to this technocratic, crypto-cyber tyranny that is currently in place right now. everyone is slowly being degraded into an insect person afraid of everyone and everything, utterly dependent, addicted to electronics, and herded through highly precise statistical information gathered by supercomputers... it just doesn't seem that way because our cars don't fly and we still wear things like sandals and shitty t shirts.
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>>11452911
Fascism is capitalism plus murder, in Upton Sinclair’s pithy formulation. If you love capitalism and you love wanton state-sanctioned and extrajudicial murder, then fascism is for you. But I suspect it’s not for everyone.
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>>11452922
you're confusing capitalism with materialism. Fascism is materialist thought trying to stem the inevitable degeneracy and loss of connection with spiritual reality associated with such by forcibly reverting itself to what it thinks earlier times looked like in terms of morals and traditions. communism is the flip side whereby a dying materialist system tries to save itself by forcibly going towards it's image of the "future".
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>>11452954
No, fascism is what happens when capitalism runs its course, funneling more and more wealth into fewer and fewer hands. The poor folks get mad and demand the rich stop hoarding the wealth, and the rich respond by arming the police and military to keep people in line. That’s fascism. And its spreading across the world like a virus.
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>>11452971
capitalism is a small subset of the materialist thought that causes these problems.
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>>11452982
Not it’s not. There are all sorts of obscene statistics, like Jeff Bezos having more wealth than 150 million Americans, or the 8 wealthiest people having as much wealth as the poorest half of the global population. This imbalance in global wealth distribution simply cannot be maintained without extreme state-sponsored violence on behalf of capital. Hence, fascism. It’s not all that complicated. It would be taken as axiomatic if our corporate media weren’t absolute trash.
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>>11453001
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying you're seeing 1% of the problem. What about our way of viewing reality lets these things happen?
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>>11452982
No, it really isn't. At all.

"That the vicissitudes of economic life - discoveries of raw materials, new technical processes, and scientific inventions - have their importance, no one denies; but that they suffice to explain human history to the exclusion of other factors is absurd. Fascism believes now and always in sanctity and heroism, that is to say in acts in which no economic motive - remote or immediate - is at work. Having denied historic materialism, which sees in men mere puppets on the surface of history, appearing and disappearing on the crest of the waves while in the depths the real directing forces move and work..."

"The Fascist state claims its ethical character: it is Catholic but above all it is Fascist, in fact it is exclusively and essentially Fascist. Catholicism completes Fascism, and this we openly declare, but let no one think they can turn the tables on us, under cover of metaphysics or philosophy."

The Doctrine of Fascism, Mussolini/Gentile

http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm
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>>11453009
jesus fuck you're being obtuse. Fascism isn't capitalism, but it is materialist. Heroism of the kind Mussolini and Hitler advocated was materialist in nature in that it revolved around material acts of man for his race, people, whatever. They still saw reality much as we do today. The pathology is the same in all three of capitalism, communism, and fascism.
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>>11453008
Of course ideology is important.

For the fascist, liberal democracy has robbed the Volk of its organic character. Fascists yearn for a strong leader who will shatter the Enlightenment ideal of liberal democracy in favor of a reborn and rejuvenated collective that will embody the Volk’s historeo-mythical identity. But it’s a lie. Fascism is only an attempt to transcend the contradictions of capitalism through sheer violence, usually by deploying extrajudicial violence against scapegoats first before generalizing forms of coercion to society generally . Why is it that fascists rise to power only in times of crisis? Because fascism has always been a stalking horse for capitalists who need to be protected by the masses. https://www.truthdig.com/articles/how-we-fight-fascism/
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>>11453061
I’m sorry, I meant, for capitalists who need to be protected from the masses, not by the masses.
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>>11452618
It’s too bad we can’t have Lewisposting that isn’t a thinly veiled attempt to start /pol/threads, but honestly this book made me realize Trump isn’t anywhere close to a fascist.
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fuck off commies
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>>11453081
Our Reichstag Fire moment was 9/11. We’ve been living under a state of emergency for nearly a generation. Trump might be a wannabe Mussolini, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t presiding over a “soft” fascist state.
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>>11453089
lol another rightcuck BTFO
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>>11453110
The TV backs me up on this. TV is never wrong. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sbrtOnw4nN4
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>>11452637
Without even looking this up I'm going to guess that Long was somehow Bad For The Jews.

Also All The King's Men is far superior to Lewis's hysterical oppression fantasy.
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>>11453081
Fascism is such a poorly defined term that I don't find discussing it on an object level to be useful at all. "Is this fascism/what is fascism?" is just a far less useful analysis than "why is this person calling X fascist?"
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>>11452911
>scrolls thru faceberg feed once
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Im redpiled
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>>11453195
>Also All The King's Men is far superior to Lewis's hysterical oppression fantasy.
If 'all the kings men' didnt have anything like these 15 points in it, I would say, it likely is not far superior:

(1) All finance in the country, including banking, insurance, stocks and bonds and mortgages, shall be under the absolute control of a Federal Central Bank, owned by the government and conducted by a Board appointed by the President, which Board shall, without need of recourse to Congress for legislative authorization, be empowered to make all regulations governing finance. Thereafter, as soon as may be practicable, this said Board shall consider the nationalization and government-ownership, for the Profit of the Whole People, of all mines, oilfields, water power, public utilities, transportation, and communication.
(2) The President shall appoint a commission, equally divided between manual workers, employers, and representatives of the Public, to determine which Labor Unions are qualified to represent the Workers; and report to the Executive, for legal action, all pretended labor organizations, whether “Company Unions,” or “Red Unions,” controlled by Communists and the so-called “Third International.” The duly recognized Unions shall be constituted Bureaus of the Government, with power of decision in all labor disputes. Later, the same investigation and official recognition shall be extended to farm organizations. In this elevation of the position of the Worker, it shall be emphasized that the League of Forgotten Men is the chief bulwark against the menace of destructive and unAmerican Radicalism.
(3) In contradistinction to the doctrines of Red Radicals, with their felonious expropriation of the arduously acquired possessions which insure to aged persons their security, this League and Party will guarantee Private Initiative and the Right to Private Property for all time.
(4) Believing that only under God Almighty, to Whom we render all homage, do we Americans hold our vast Power, we shall guarantee to all persons absolute freedom of religious worship, provided, however, that no atheist, agnostic, believer in Black Magic, nor any Jew who shall refuse to swear allegiance to the New Testament, nor any person of any faith who refuses to take the Pledge to the Flag, shall be permitted to hold any public office or to practice as a teacher, professor, lawyer, judge, or as a physician, except in the category of Obstetrics.
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>>11453213
based
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(5) Annual net income per person shall be limited to $500,000. No accumulated fortune may at any one time exceed $3,000,000 per person. No one person shall, during his entire lifetime, be permitted to retain an inheritance or various inheritances in total exceeding $2,000,000. All incomes or estates in excess of the sums named shall be seized by the Federal Government for use in Relief and in Administrative expenses.
(6) Profit shall be taken out of War by seizing all dividends over and above 6 per cent that shall be received from the manufacture, distribution, or sale, during Wartime, of all arms, munitions, aircraft, ships, tanks, and all other things directly applicable to warfare, as well as from food, textiles, and all other supplies furnished to the American or to any allied army.
(7) Our armaments and the size of our military and naval establishments shall be consistently enlarged until they shall equal, but — since this country has no desire for foreign conquest of any kind — not surpass, in every branch of the forces of defense, the martial strength of any other single country or empire in the world. Upon inauguration, this League and Party shall make this its first obligation, together with the issuance of a firm proclamation to all nations of the world that our armed forces are to be maintained solely for the purpose of insuring world peace and amity.
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8) Congress shall have the sole right to issue money and immediately upon our inauguration it shall at least double the present supply of money, in order to facilitate the fluidity of credit.
(9) We cannot too strongly condemn the unChristian attitude of certain otherwise progressive nations in their discriminations against the Jews, who have been among the strongest supporters of the League, and who will continue to prosper and to be recognized as fully Americanized, though only so long as they continue to support our ideals.
(10) All Negroes shall be prohibited from voting, holding public office, practicing law, medicine, or teaching in any class above the grade of grammar school, and they shall be taxed 100 per cent of all sums in excess of $10,000 per family per year which they may earn or in any other manner receive. In order, however, to give the most sympathetic aid possible to all Negroes who comprehend their proper and valuable place in society, all such colored persons, male or female, as can prove that they have devoted not less than forty-five years to such suitable tasks as domestic service, agricultural labor, and common labor in industries, shall at the age of sixty-five be permitted to appear before a special Board, composed entirely of white persons, and upon proof that while employed they have never been idle except through sickness, they shall be recommended for pensions not to exceed the sum of $500.00 per person per year, nor to exceed $700.00 per family. Negroes shall, by definition, be persons with at least one sixteenth colored blood.
(11) Far from opposing such high-minded and economically sound methods of the relief of poverty, unemployment, and old age as the EPIC plan of the Hon. Upton Sinclair, the “Share the Wealth” and “Every Man a King” proposals of the late Hon. Huey Long to assure every family $5000 a year, the Townsend plan, the Utopian plan, Technocracy, and all competent schemes of unemployment insurance, a Commission shall immediately be appointed by the New Administration to study, reconcile, and recommend for immediate adoption the best features in these several plans for Social Security, and the Hon. Messrs. Sinclair, Townsend, Eugene Reed, and Howard Scott are herewith invited to in every way advise and collaborate with that Commission.
(12) All women now employed shall, as rapidly as possible, except in such peculiarly feminine spheres of activity as nursing and beauty parlors, be assisted to return to their incomparably sacred duties as home-makers and as mothers of strong, honorable future Citizens of the Commonwealth.
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>>11453195
>I don't know much about Hitler. Except that last thing, about the Jews. There has never been a country that put its heel down on the Jews that ever lived afterwards.

heh
also Huey Long was a close associate of Father Coughlin, who didn't exactly endear himself to Jewry. Besides, many anglos are about as bad as Jews, perhaps worse since they tend to be true believers in dumb ideologies, as opposed to disingenuous pursuers of group interest.
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What is social democracy but light fascism?
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(13) Any person advocating Communism, Socialism, or Anarchism, advocating refusal to enlist in case of war, or advocating alliance with Russia in any war whatsoever, shall be subject to trial for high treason, with a minimum penalty of twenty years at hard labor in prison, and a maximum of death on the gallows, or other form of execution which the judges may find convenient.
(14) All bonuses promised to former soldiers of any war in which America has ever engaged shall be immediately paid in full, in cash, and in all cases of veterans with incomes of less than $5,000.00 a year, the formerly promised sums shall be doubled.
(15) Congress shall, immediately upon our inauguration, initiate amendments to the Constitution providing (a), that the President shall have the authority to institute and execute all necessary measures for the conduct of the government during this critical epoch; (b), that Congress shall serve only in an advisory capacity, calling to the attention of the President and his aides and Cabinet any needed legislation, but not acting upon same until authorized by the President so to act; and (c), that the Supreme Court shall immediately have removed from its jurisdiction the power to negate, by ruling them to be unconstitutional or by any other judicial action, any or all acts of the President, his duly appointed aides, or Congress.
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>>11453202
The exact definition of fascism is an academic question, but the rise of far right governments across the world is unmistakable.
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>>11453243
What is far right? Legit question. I have no idea what it's supposed to mean.

If someone would be willing to give me exemples of far right, right, centre, left and far left governments in today's world i would be much obliged.
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>>11453256
>>11453243
>>11453202

Its all about the types of laws and forces behind them

Anarchy/absolute freedom--------------------------Absolute fascism/particular strict control

Light examples would be:
Anarchists----------------Islam
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>>11453262
Sam Harris, now is not the time.
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>>11453256
Look, if you examine most countries today, you will find that traditional human rights and the institutions that guarantee them, human rights like democracy, press and religious freedoms, privacy rights, etc. are in real crisis. And every country is unique, sharing some forms of classical fascism, traditional military authoritarianism, dictatorship or oligarch control to some degree or another. We can look at a country in particular if you want, but the overall picture is as obvious as it is grim.
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>>11453292
you could have highlighted something I said wrong...that is...if you could...meaning...if you were capable... (and "lul...muh all of it!" doesnt count)
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Disparity is the means by which all existence carries weight, and thus disparity is both the root of evil and pain as well as goodness and joy. Those who seek to remove the disparity of power and wealth are utopists. They wish to remove all pain and strife. They inevitably seek the end of all disparity, and thus the end of all joy.
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>>11453335
youre an extremist, no gradation to your thought, you define your 'combatant' as absolute all or nothing, and thus easily see yourself as absolutely right
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>>11453335
are you the one that has used the word utopist 27 times in the last 3+ days?
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>>11453361
Yes.
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>>11453335
>>11453354
what I mean is:
Utopia is impossible
Therefore, stop trying to change any of the way things are right now
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>>11453335
>things can’t be perfect therefore let’s stop improving anything
Wow that really makes me think
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>>11453364
It's not that a utopia is impossible, but that a utopia is not the good and only the good. It is the equalization of all things, good and bad would no longer exist within an actual end-stage utopia.
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>>11453256
far right = anybody who disagrees with a leftist.
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>>11453305
You know what else is a human right? Not having your nation invaded by tens of millions of afroniggers intending to live on welfare, crime, and voting for establishment politicans.
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>>11453110
Read the book
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>>11453305
Not a single one of those things you named is a "human right". Democracy is a tool or a form of government depending on how you define it, not a right. You might as well claim that having a king is a "human right".

>Press and religious freedom
First, error has no right. Second, nations absolutely have the right to establish state religions, exclude heretics and aliens, etc. Press freedom isn't a human right either, and at any rate it doesn't really exist anywhere outside of the United States.
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>>11453243
I don’t disagree, but you have to admit the rise of tribalism and anti immigration sentiments a in america is a far cry away from arresting senators and conscripted labor
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>>11455261
>the rise of tribalism and anti immigration sentiments a in america is a far cry away from arresting senators and conscripted labor
Yes, yes, one thing has never lead to another and *looks at camera* it cant happen here
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>>11455368
I’m not saying Trump doesn’t use some fascist tactics or that there isn’t a noticeable shift either to the right at the moment, but saying is calling Trump an outright fascist is simply not an accurate description.
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>>11452901
What you're describing is, again, no different than monarchy. We had kings for the longest time, maybe we'll eventually have them again.
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>>11452901
yeah we sure are checking and balancing our faceless unelected technocrats right now
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>>11453001
>this is what /lit/ actually believes
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>>11453018
>fascism is materialist
And people wonder why this board gets trashed for being pseud 24/7
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>>11453202
If you want insight into "fascism" I recommend John T. Flynn's As We Go Marching, Gregor's Mussolini's Intellectuals, and Schivelbusch's Three New Deals. Spoiler alert most people in this thread are completely full of shit
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>>11455657
Yes, yes, one thing has never lead to another and *looks at camera* it cant happen here
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>>11455712
In what way is it not, states and people require materials
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>>11455777
by that logic every regime is materialist and so the term is meaningless. Fascism comes from Gentile's actualism which is a branch of idealism, not materialism, and like all intense nationalism it was quasi-religious and conceived of the nation as both material and spiritual.The Nazis were somewhat different because of their obsession with race, but thats as close as any of the Fascists get to materialism.
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>>11453018
>Fascism is materialism
Truly embarrassing, read more.
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>>11455868
Was ussr a type of fascism?

Some of the emperors of rome?

Some medieval kingdoms and monarchies?
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>>11455912
We should distinguish here between fascist regimes and fascist ideologies. If you want to analyse the fascist regimes through a materialist lens, see Flynn and Schivelbusch books mentioned above. It isn't invalid to draw comparisons between the militarisation/industrialisation of the Fascist states and the Soviets and Anglo-Americans. However, the content of the ideology called Fascism is not materialist; the specific version Nazism is arguably materialist because of the race element, but even then the German Volk was always thought of as both a biological reality and a spiritual ideal.

To answer your questions, I would say the USSR after the Stalinist reaction is arguably fascist as it abused Russian nationalism and Stalin was a dictator. Rome and the Medieval monarchies were not, as while they had authoritarian leaders the rest is too different; your King isn't even necessarily the same ethnicity as you in those systems, whatever sense of nation exists isn't bound to the state yet, you have a complicated set of local ties which are more important than an overarching identity
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>>11455996
Was life generally good under Fascist regimes, did they have high approval rating from all sorts of people across the board, and how could an honest assessment, polling, be made, if likely there was threat to say all is good?

Were fascist regimes successful? Could they be, could they be good? Why would one not want to be a part of one?

Could the banner of spiritualism and 'we care about the lowly people' not be propaganda to make the people think they are cared for, or were they really? What was poverty like in fascist states, were all the citizens really treated as the slogans claimed, biological and spiritual?

Whats the deal with, 'its all about biology and the people and our nation and spiritual' but then stories of thousands of people 'of the biology, and spirit, and nation' being killed because they looked at an authority figure the wrong way
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>>11456031
Full disclaimer, I consider myself a reactionary, though not a fascist. I am not allergic to fascism the way most people are, but I don't endorse it either.

In Germany and Italy life (materially) improved relative to the periods immediately preceding the fascist takeovers. The militarisation of life in Nazi Germany was a huge economic success (remember that Germany was recovering from traumatic hyperinflation), however the common view is that the economy was dependent on war to sustain itself and would likely have collapsed if the war machine ever ground to a halt. I have not done a thorough study of this, so I can't pretend to be sure, but its a view thats shared across the ideological spectrum and I've never seen any evidence to refute it at least.

Nationalism is an interesting beast. While the Nazis certainly didn't believe all people were equal, they did seem sincere in believing all Germans were equal (aside from the Fuhrer, obviously, but they justified this by saying that he was the embodiment of the Volk), and upset many of the old aristocratic conservatives (some of whom hated Hitler with a passion that rivals any liberal or marxist; see Friedrich Reck's book Diary of a Man in Despair). The Italians similarly grew out of the revolutionary syndicalist movement, which was concerned with mostly the same things the socialists and marxists were. Was this all propaganda used to cover up a class war? Like most political formulas used to legitimise a regime, I think they were partly sincere and partly deceptive. Propaganda as you may be aware is usually better off being based on as few outright lies as possible. Certainly poverty declined during the fascist period, public works and social programs went up. How much of is specific to Fascism and how much of it is just that both countries were at rock bottom is hard to say.

The regimes were popular, partly because charismatic dictators, partly because the economic recovery, partly because nationalism appeals to a lot of people. We can be pretty confident the popularity was not an illusion, though statistical evidence is for obvious reasons questionable. However, oppression of ideological enemies was a constant feature of life, and so there was likely a number of people who disliked the regime but were too scared to speak up. The regimes felt they needed to silence dissent, in part because they did not have any ideological commitment to free speech, and in part because the previous era were characterised by radicalism growing on both left and right and various factions vying for power. In the fascist imagination the state encompasses everything, there should be no such thing as civil society divorced from the state, and so the idea of dissenting political organisations being free to do as they wish struck them as an absurdity. I'm inclined to agree with people who regard this as odious.
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>>11456245
do anybody be readin this effort shit? take it to medium nerd
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>>11456264
I was asked a series of questions and I answered them insofar as I was able
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>>11455769
>slight drizzle outside
>THIS IS THE STORM OF THE CENTURY
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>>11456264
>medium nerd
Not even a full nerd?
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>>11456667
Yes, yes, the storm of a century has never started with slight drizzle and the storm of a century cannot occur
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>>11456245
nice post
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>>11456958
It’s still quite a leap from point A to point B
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>It can't happen here.
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>>11457921
yes, yes, quite a leap has never occurred from a point A to point B
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Does this book actually shit on Long as much as people say? From what I understand the actual fascy shit only starts when he dies and some literal who takes up power.
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>>11458089
Fucking Christ how thick can you be. I never said America will never become a fascist state or that Trump could never possibly bring us to that point. All I said is that in this moment in time Trump and his actions only have a superficial resemblance to fascist ideals.
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>>11458135
yes, yes, only a superficial resemblance to fascist ideals
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>>11455368
Anti-immigrant attitudes in America are nothing new whatsoever and have been around since at least the Irish influx if not earlier. Same goes for tribalism. This has been voter preference for a long time, votes don't matter in the US, campaign donations do. To equate this to impending fascism is retarded.
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>>11458130
yea, fascy shit starts before, Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip (an affable but shallow politician who mounts a populist presidential campaign) dies.
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The most incredible thing about this book is that he saw Hitler coming before Hitler really even happened
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>>11458270
unless...
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>>11455261
>conscripted labor
You do know that our massive prison population (around 0.7% of the total population) is a de facto slave workforce, right? The 13th Amendment allows convicts to be used as forced labor. Look it up.
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>>11458335
Forced labor made up 20% of the work force in Nazi Germany
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>>11458348
I think that any society that tolerates slave labor in any degree can’t truly be considered free, don’t you?
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>>11458368
I never said otherwise. But you can’t look at that statistic and say America utilizes forced labor on a scal anywhere close to Nazi Germany.
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>>11458372
oh thank goodness

"You hear that everyone, its ok to do X, because Nazi Germany did X + some"
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>>11458348
Who was the 20% forced labor, non germans?
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>>11458372
I never said rates of forced labor inNazi Germany were comparable to those of the United States. So what is the point you are trying to make?
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>>11458454
I don’t see the point you were trying to make. I originally said how the general trend towards far rights politics is not the same as in true fascist states, specifically citing the use of conscripted labor in a place like Fascist Germany.
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>>11458447
Again, I never said conscripted labor was morally okay. All I’m trying to say is modern America is nowhere near as far right as a truly fascist state.
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>>11458452
Mostly, yeah. The Germans actually abducted over 10 million people for slave labor, the majority of which came from central and Eastern Europe.
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>>11452971
>>11453001
>things I don't like are fascism

Imagine actually being this stupid.

Fascism was an artistic-political-spritiual response to Italy's defeat in the first world war, its attempts to modernize, and the general fin de siecle artistic decadence of Europe of the time, which saw life as an artistic pursuit and sought to radicalize politics into a materialist-spiritual plain. It existed from 12 September 1919 till the end of the Second World war, when it was plainly defeated, forced underground, and corrupted by various right wing groups taking up its mantel despite having only superficial similarities to the original movement.

Capitalism and it's effects have nothing to do with fascism, which is economically more closely aligned with syndicalism. Perhaps you could argue that Argentina continues to be a fascist state, since it can trace a political genealogy back to Mussolini, but other than that I can't think of any country which fits the bill.

You may as well argue that Canada is a fascist state and Trudeau is Hitler because it's elitist, non-democratic, and has a pseudo-syndicalist capitalist economy of state cooperations and unions. Just fucking dumb
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>>11455898
>he made the trains run on time
>lebensraum
fascist aesthetics, at least how they are portrayed in modern discourse, are absolutely materialist. I haven't read enough primary fascist material to know for sure if they thought in this manner, but remember that we're talking about men who developed politically in the late 19th and early 20th centuries when materialism in general was in it's prime and seemed almost magical in it's effectiveness. There was no reason for them not to be materialist, they were just part of a schism from the current mode of materialism.
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>>11452892
Monarchs divided their power between lords, who governed their land as they saw fit. As long as taxes were payed the kingdom was fine. The problem was that this created a society of elites that fought even against themselves and even the king at times. It was very unstable and fell apart due to it’s incompetence as time progressed.
Facism is completely controlled by a single person, and it’s only examples are a genocidal maniac and an Italian baffon that could easily be mistaken for one of the 3 stooges due to his mannerisms.
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>>11452971
>>11453001
You are almost as retarded as actual fascists.

Do you think fascism's rise before the second world war was because the wealthy classes were trying to prevent a poor uprising? Nope, it was the poor who allowed it to flourish. The National Socialist Party was not very popular at all before the Great Depression reached Germany. When things get bad, people of all classes demand change, and a demagogue who can get them riled up and give them scapegoats like Jews or degeneracy can slingshot their way to the top.

Take a history course before you start spouting shit you read on r/anarchy or wherever to push some agenda or connection to today's politics.
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>>11458720
>scapegoat
Stop spreading late 20th century revisionist garbage. There is no such thing as a scapegoat when it comes to genocide. You don't just "trick" millions of people into hating other people randomly. sorry but that's just a retarded idea.

All genocides are based on real grievances against the behavior of the target group, however blown out of proportion they may be. Everyone is hated for a reason.
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>>11458737
Hindsight offers the greatest truth
The depression in Germany was caused by the treaty of Versailles, not Jewish bankers.
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>>11458737
people raised in authoritarian societies come to hate life

enough with the dip shit "everyone is hated for a reason / ... real grievances against a target group" bullshit
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>>11458749
>>11458720
jesus christ it's like my high school history teacher was reincarnated into a 19 year old boomer. First of all there is never one cause for anything, if causation is even real. Second of all the depression in germany, whatever caused it, lead to people being evicted from their homes and turned away from the banks by largely jewish faces. Whether or not that makes them culpable in any way, doesn't change the fact that they were the face of the system that now denied these people the drugs of consumerism that they had supplied earlier. They awoke from the hazy dream of "more shit more life more magical powers by way of consumer purchases" and saw themselves case out on the street while their jewish dealers remained high.
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>>11458737
What are you on about? There was widespread antisemitism in Europe already, and they were still Hitler's scapegoat to take power. They aren't mutually exclusive.

If my dad hates my dog, I shit on the floor and blame the dog, and then my dad beats the dog, the dog is the scapegoat. I didn't trick him into hating the dog, he was ready to believe my story about the dog fucking up.

Not sure what your argument is.
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>>11458769
there were absolutely rational reasons behind their hatred of jews. If you were in their position you would hate them as well. The germans were the dog in this metaphor. The jews were the bowl containing food, reality is the owner (materialism is the state of affairs limiting the dogs food options to the bowl) Reality chipped the bowl somehow and caused it to lacerate the dogs mouth, who then reacted angerly against it, knocking it over as a dog would rationally do.
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>>11452971
>"fascism is spreading across the world"
>larger welfare state = more gibs
>corporate owned media controls thought
>dissolution of the upper-middle class and lower-upper class to create a sole lower-middle class
>taxes higher than ever

I agree there is a clear problem with corporatism (particularly tax loopholes), but society is moving much closer to authoritative socialism. I would lay off the "muh fascism" statement: it makes you sound stupid.
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>>11458252
>Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip
whats epic about him coming up with this name:
Win-drip
Wind-rip
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>>11452911
You need to spend a week in a third world country.




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