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read Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess by cocopi
it's peak

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read Cruel Violet by Dreamer's Riot
it's peak

>>25329141
>they messed up the rankings
what rankings?

Best hours to post chappies?

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DUNGEON CRAWLER CARL

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In my youth I knew the hardships of the world,

Yet I still aspired to soar above the clouds.

A journey of cold winds and uncertainty, A lone traveler experiences a life of ups and downs.

A heart of steel forged from countless setbacks, A lifetime of effort to forge one sword.

Today my sword aims beyond the clouds,

Refine Gu! Refine Human! Refine Heaven!!

>>25329230
the book rank that you'd see on the author page was glitched out for an hour or so. Mine went from 1,200 to 65,000. It's fixed now.

>>25329247
~15 minutes after MLA

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>>25329377
>>25329230
You care about this?

>>25329411
it was amusing.

>>25329374
this guy just won a court case by representing himself btw

Any decent new releases?
inb4 "mine" with no link

>>25329382
MLA isn't even popular anymore
15 minutes after Archmage Coefficient

>>25329449
put some respect on the OG

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>>25329437
Mine

>>25329247
I drop mine at 15:30 GMT.

So Volume 3 is currently sitting at about 150k. Thing is, I had to split the arc into two halves, one being the set up and all of the build up to what is effectively the MC's slough of despond / dark night of the soul, and then what would be the second half is the MC going full detective/hero-mode mopping up all the bad guys and figuring out all of the conspiracy stuff that was there but under the surface in volume 3.

The difficult choice I have to make is whether to end volume 3 at the point where the MC is about to set out on his 'rampage' so to speak, or to include that in volume 3, which could tack on as much as another 150k words by the time its all done.

I figure the reader would be exhausted when reaking the first 150k, and would prefer to start the next 150k in volume 4 as its own fresh book. It's a bit of a conumdrum.

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>>25329476
You mean you took 150k words just to set up turning the MC into a sadboy?

>>25329032
Can you (or any other anon) please walk me through how you do so? What is your process when writing web novels? Do you publish the first draft of a scene or line when it comes to your head or are you iterating on it?
Can you please explain this to me very, very slowly? I’m pretty sure my approach to writing web novels is all sorts of fucked up
How do you pet the dog?

>>25329493
>Can you (or any other anon) please walk me through how you do so?
https://revengeoftheslopking.blogspot.com/2026/05/a-collection-of-thoughts-of-sorts.html
7 if you don't care to read the rest, but I recommend going through 6.
There is no trick. Just think about how many words you waste on 4chan posts that you could write into your stuff instead.

>>25329490
Not quite. It's more like the MC has reached a point where he can't be reactive anymore to the threats all around him. All his allies are either severely injured, or looking after those that are severely injured (they're superhuman, so it'll take them about 12 hours to recover, which puts them out of being able to help the MC in the next act, he's on his own.)

On top of that, the MC has reached a point as a superhero in his origin where he's like Batman at the start of an Arkham game; lots of detective-work to do in the way of GO HERE > BEAT PEOPLE UP > NEXT LEAD > REPEAT.

Leading to the ultimate dramatic conclusion. The forward momentum in volume 4 works as the whole book is the revenge/resolution arc for the character. Sort of like the difference between Kill Bill Volume 1 and 2.

I’ve been seriously thinking about becoming a bestselling fantasy author so I can quit my job at Tescos.

I had a really bad argument with my manager yesterday. Fucking Paul wanted me to bring all the older milk cartons to the front of the shelves, but I told him I was meant to be on tills and that Katy should be stocking dairy. But Paul said Katy needed to go on her break so he made me do it, and it's just got me thinking I should bash out a few shitty novels so I can quit.

I haven’t written much yet, mainly because of my job, and because I care about things like prose and characters.

Meanwhile you've got hacks like Sanderson publishing multiple books a year with simplistic, accessible prose, boringly satisfying plots and characters that have like, max, 3 or 4 layers to them. I could obviously do this too if I gave myself a lobotomy.

One concern I had is whether I'd be comfortable exploiting people like that. It feels morally repugnant to me to work out what millions of morons enjoy and just give it to them? How will they learn to elevate themselves intellectually if I do that?

I'm also not sure how I'd handle my name appearing on every second post in subreddits that develop a completely understandable hate-boner for my writing.

But I also really hate it at Tescos, none of my colleagues appreciate me. Paul especially pisses me off. He's exactly the kind of simpleton who would enjoy a Sanderson book.

Also, because of my job, I don't have the time to just sit around and write all day. If I could quit and write full time I could easily bash out a bunch of dross for the school-reading-age crowd to lap up. I once had a bank-holiday off, and wrote 400 words of world-building that was much better than Mistborn or whatever, so I'm pretty sure I could do it.

Anyway, I'd really like to spend more time expressing just how little I think of Brandon Sanderson's writing, but my break ended 10 minutes ago and fucking Katy is calling me on the tannoy so I have to wrap this up.

Does anyone have any advice on how to write Sanderson-level dross as an author whose tastes and sensibilities are vastly superior to the common "reader"?

>>25329510
My experience has been that most people who think themselves above the likes of Sanderson typically can't write anything anyone wants to read anyway. Not saying you can't, but a lot of guys talk a bit game just to write the most generic bullshit anyway.

Either way, good luck.

>>25329497
absolute unreadable garbage, and I’m not just saying that to be crass

>>25329520
The colors, or the content?

>>25329524
the content, the author and their observations are not interesting enough to do this meandering round-about style or writing
if this were my grandmother I would’ve told her to shut the fuck up

>>25329536
I have a dream my thoughts will one day not be judged by their content, by the color of their font.

>>25329510
You should have written a chapter instead of this post

>>25329510
embarrassed millionaires are the stupidest mother fuckers on the planet
america wouldn't exist without cattle who think they're just one more bootstrap pull from being in the top 1%

>>25329557
Then rejoice, your dream has already come true, since I didn't read any of it and can only judge you by the font color

>>25329510
It's not bad satire overall but I find it hard to engage with when we all know nobody from /wg/ has ever worked at Tesco.
Also using words like dross and dreck are too on the nose and immersion breaking.

>>25329636
>immersion breaking
Are the words dross and dreck beyond the lexical remit of a Tesco shelf stacker

>>25329653
No but we literally had a dross/dreck poster for a couple of weeks.

>>25329668
It’s not impossible that that poster was a Tesco shelf stacker, then

>>25329510
Nice copypasta but such a person would LOVE 1% Lifesteal's first chapter. It's for you.

>>25329093
That's what I have been doing until I gave the site a try. But the offline method means you still have to refresh after every other change. There isn't anything like this that lets you do live edits like this, which makes the workflow so much more easier.

>>25329668
It was the gong poster, not dross or dreck

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Any genuine recs for "cultivator fights other schools of magick"?

>>25329683
Any basic ide would do this, VSCode being the most widely used. Though I can see that being overkill for small things.

>>25329493
400 mg of caffeine does the trick for me. Then you just sit down and do it. No trick to it past that.

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What are the 3-5 most important things a webnovel must have for you to become hooked, get excited for the next chapter, follow the author, and subscribe on Patreon?

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>>25329762
>Then you just sit down and do it.
But... what I mean to ask is, are you just publishing your first articulation of the scene? How much of what ends up published has been revised to read better? Do you draft an outline or start typing the final product from the first word to the last with no scaffolding between?

>>25329770
I bulletpoint the entire story from start to finish as a very simplistic list of events/goals of certain dialogues. This is primarily so I don't forget them later but I also find that it sometimes helps structure during the actual writing process.

Then I just go down the list, trying to describe what I see in my head as best I can. I will sometimes write out of order if I'm really excited about a specific scene. I try not to edit or dwell on anything until it's all finished (or at least the particular arc, if I've already started uploading shit).

>>25329780
Thank you for describing your process in detail. I will now go out and pet the dog.

>>25329768
If I'm starting a story, then
>an early hook
>no grammar mistakes first 1-2 chapters
>a compelling first paragraph (i.e. no boring descriptions, lore dump, etc.)
>worldbuilding at a bare minimum; I don't care about the world until I care about the characters/story
For subsequent chapters, to get excited about the next one, then
>every chapter as a cohesive unit
>little to no rumination
>I learn something new about a character, or world
>something interesting or unexpected happens (i.e. the story is not just a predictable A to B)
>cliffhangers, unironically (but not abused)

hey /wng/ should i take my meds today? will they help me write?

>>25329811
you should poop in your hand and jack off. it's helped me a lot when writing my Solo Poopjacking winnie

I think keeping my notes in my head is not good for me, considering my story is over 2m words long.

>>25329861
there's this thing you can do to keep of a record of your thoughts without relying on your memory

>>25329793
>little to no rumination
>I learn something new about a character, or world
lmao I hate you

>>25329878
How do those ideas conflict

>>25329878
Spoken like your book sucks. Pointless ruminating is the antithesis of good writing—a cheap shortcut to explain facets of your world or character without earning it through proper story beats, implication, subtext, etc.

>>25329793
>no grammar mistakes first 1-2 chapters
if it's not broken english then who cares. a minor mistake here or there isn't a big deal if it doesn't interfere with readability

>>25329878
people without internal dialogues don't want to read stories with characters that have them

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I'm 3 chapters behind schedule and now my train of thought has completely collapsed. Put me alone in a room and I can barely even think about my writing. How do I get it back?

>>25329994
stay away from videogames and social media

>>25329910
I have internal dialogue and don't want to read the internal dialogue of a fictional character because it's poor storytelling to have stuff spelled out for you like you're in grade school.

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bruh it's just totally useless for everything except coding and making porn.

>>25330191
Just like all Silicon Valley hyped technologies, >90% of use cases are trash and >90% of the companies involved will fail.

>>25330216
over 90% of the companies involved will fail because they're making useless wrappers, but zero of the frontier labs will (XAI and meta might fail, but XAI at least seems to be doing fine by shifting to selling compute)
"it's a bubble" does not imply "it's going away", any more than the dotcom bubble meant ecommerce was doomed
anthropic and openAI are more likely to be nationalized than they are to shut down

>>25330191
>Oh, I'm sorry, I made shit up
...Could it not do that? I'm not up to AI stuff as I never use it but is the "don't make any mistakes" a valid thing lol?

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>>25330271
>but is the "don't make any mistakes" a valid thing lol?
unironically yes, from a rentry made for prompting/local text gen by an /mlp/-fag:
>the current CoT (chain-of-thought) meta by Google themselves is (unironically) Take a deep breath and work on this problem step-by-step. yes, Google is recommending to tell our LLMs to take a deep breath before describing plap-plap in vivid details
that's why whenever you prompt a reasoning that lets you show their chain-of-thought they summarise their own ontology and get the absolute 100% certain details on what-exactly-the-fuck-is-happening before daring to approach a response, like "Okay, I am an AI Assistant, and the user has taken me on a very lengthy conversation on crafting high-fantasy erotica, and now they have just asked me to "describe fucking elves with chests as flat as boards in graphic detail". Let me have a look at every message ever sent in this chat. Their deep-seated need is for me to craft a response that tackles this description and contextualise it within their story. Let me think: what is an elf?"
basically they have to "think out loud" to do anything resembling thinking and if their thinking out loud makes them say something that is wrong then they can't even correct it
the future is looking bright
note that i tuned out of AI in 2024 or so but i'm pretty sure they all work like this still, the system prompts (the pre-text that orders them not to tell the user to kill themselves) and models are just different

>>25330271
AI is inherently probabilistic. That's why you can ask the same question several times and get a different answer on each one. It's why a lot of the prompts for enterprise code generation is about writing test cases so when, not if, it goes wrong it can correct itself.

>>25330312
>whenever you prompt a reasoning
prompt a reasoning model** sorry my token generation skipped past that word

>>25330191
And thus the tower report stays out of the hands of the plebs.
Good save, generic LLM.

>>25330074
What do you do if you're stuck home? Just unplug it? I might be coping too hard with the "researching" bit.

>>25330408
>I might be coping too hard with the "researching" bit.
whuh? you mean just looking up terms and techniques in to use?
just limit yourself to 15 minutes in each burst, and you have to write some arbitrary length like a paragraph or 200 words before continuing "researching" for another 15 minutes

I'm going to write a story where the protagonist appears in a fantasy world and will become an adventurer to make ends meet.

>>25330475
what the fuck is a "fantasy world"? that sounds stupid and weird and naturally unpopular. it'll never work.

You know something I've been thinking about that tickles my pickle?

>read any typical sci-fi novel with a megastructure
>usually a living space or ship or object with a clear intention

>read chinese cultivation webnovel
>everything is xboxhueg
>solar systems can sometimes be mountains and seas instead of planets
>star-sized foods and other misc shit
Makes me laugh.

>>25330081
the amount of good writing that is ruminative and introspective far, far outweighs the amount of good writing that has absolutely no reflection at all
it's fine if you like ultrabrisk asian style prose but acting like its objectively bad writing to have rumination is retarded

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>>25330501
>xboxhueg
Jesus fucking Christ. I don't think I've seen anyone use that term in over fifteen years.

>>25330408
>"researching"
write
when you get to a moment where you feel the procrastinative urge to "research", just write in a placeholder note and continue on
>prose prose prose
>[write highly intelligent referential factoids here]
>prose prose prose

What are gu?

What is autism.

>>25329205
>>25329227
Worst cover downgrades since MLA

>>25330477
It's okay. I'll add a petite elf girl and a large breasted dark elf girl who both lust after MC into the story.
They will be joined by Chen the warrior and Dana the half-orc. Together they will dive into dungeons in search of loot and power.

>>25330555
I've never seen someone say a cover was an upgrade so I think people just get used to the first and dislike change no matter what

Can I get some recs for Chinese web novels that’d get me hooked? Western fantasy (Qihuan) preferred. I’m learning the language and I need to get those reading reps done somehow.

>>25330508
They had a good showcase so their presence in the zeitgeist has increased for a time.

>>25330563
That's probably true to some extent. Still, I've noticed the first covers tend to do a better job at communicating what the story's about than the latter ones.

The first MLA cover communicates the MC personality better. The first Cruel Violet cover does a better job at portraying her as a schizo. The composition of the Clara story's first cover communicate her rivalry with the male characters.

That said, I think the new Amazon MLA cover is really pretty and that one is probably the best. Also the second cover with Violet staring at Kiera is my favorite and that one the second one DR came up with I think.

>autistic archmage author gave a shoutout to clara casewell
peak

>>25330643
the fmc authors literally made their own discord cabal lol

>>25330577
Coiling Dragon and Lord of the Mysteries are the only ones I know of.

>>25330610
>Amazon MLA
Did this flop? It has fewer reviews than shit I've never heard of like Hell Difficulty Tutorial and No killing Goblins.

>>25330694
HDT is probably the most successful litrpg launched in the past 2 years
7000 ratings means 200,000+ in profit. For just book 1 of a 7 book series.

You not knowing such a popular story is your own issue

>>25330694
MLA is doing alright. It depends what your standard for a flop is.

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thinking of going live with this ad. Would you click this?

>>25330767
no way the mods approve that

>>25330775
Why? There's nothing sexual about it.

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>>25330767
>basipally
No.

wtf is MLA?

>>25330806
My Lesbian Academia

>>25330775
I bet they would approve it.
I don't think it even gets close to any ad TOS.

>>25330808
kek, shoulda guessed it'd be something that dumb

>>25330809
I looked at the ad rules on RR and basipally all it said was: no titties and no N words. So it passes.

I'm reading a WN, it's good, but out of nowhere the author writes this:
>such formulas were heavily encrypted, like patented manufacturing secrets
Is the author retarded? If you patent something it can't be a secret or encrypted, that's not how parents work. I'm of half a mind to drop the story because all I'll be thinking about while reading it is that the author is dumb

>>25330808
this would make fifty gazillion dollars though you don't even realize

>>25330522
That sounds smart. I should probably start getting software that limits my usage on browsers or something too but I feel like what you said is a good start. I failed today but here's hoping for tomorrow.

>>25330814
People that don't know anything about the patent process and have never taken the time to think about what it would entail or look it up often think the patent process is related to trade secrets since both are ways to protect products from being copied.

It's a common mistake.

>>25330767
>virgin
>gf
Fuckno

>>25330577
Little Tyrant Doesn’t Want to Meet with a Bad End

Any good western xianxia besides memories of the fall and last ship in suzhou?

>>25329900
Because it's the first chapter, and if you don't care enough to perfect your first chapter, then you probably don't care about a lot of other things, ergo your story probably sucks. I don't mind some mistakes here and there in later chapters, but your first chapters should be polished

>>25330507
Name one web novel with good rumination or introspection chapters

>>25330848
Dungeon core as a sub-genre (When they don't have any snarky reddit tier fairies/wisps)

>>25330848
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/the-reborn-white-snake-seeking-the-heavens/
note: it's 99% navelgazing

>>25330881
>name one
>doesn't name one

>>25330818
But that's my story and I'm not making fifty gazillion dollars

How do the mega Chinese works get translated when there's 1000+ chapters? Just machine translation usually?

>>25330948
Yes. The only exceptions will be hugely popular series like LotM where it makes economic sense to pay for a real translation.

>guy's review has been taken down like 4 times over several months after reports from readers
>he gets it back up every time just sending a support ticket and saying it's his honest opinion
RR has replaced its mods with AI, hasn't it? There's no way real people could be this retarded, right?

>>25330848
If I were an edgy 14 year old south American shitskin I would say reverend insanity.

>>25330948
Sometimes translations are handled by teams for larger works.

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Any good harem stuff where the harem is not the focus? I am enjoying pic related but I am not a huge fan of the characters. Most other harem shit just completely goes in all the wish fulfillment elements, I just want it to be a background thing. Memorize and Second Coming of Gluttony was also really good in that regard.

>any good harem stuff
No.

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>>25331027

>>25331039
Kek

>>25331027
Why not just read something other than harem???

>>25331027
>Any good harem stuff where the harem is not the focus?
No. Writers introducing complex character dynamics and then not exploring them is bad writing. You're asking if there are any good cars with no tires.

>>25331039
There is literally not a harem in this.

>>25331078
There is. The core story takes places in the sultans harem (private quarters) where Scheherazade tells him the thousand tales.

>>25331078
yes there is, not even counting the frame story I read at least one story of someone being smuggled inside a harem and I didn't even read that far

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TsMC or FeMC, which is preferable?

>>25331106
>The core story takes places in the sultans harem (private quarters) where Scheherazade tells him the thousand tales.
It takes place in the sultan's quarters, not the harem. Those are separate spaces. Also given his habit of murdering his wives, it's doubtful he would have even maintained a harem were one mentioned, which one is not.

>>25331113
palace doesn't mean harem

>>25331137
>palace doesn't mean harem
the area of the palace where all the women are kept for the sultan to fuck is indeed the harem

>>25331151
If you're talking about the scene where all the women get fucked, that takes place outside the harem literally beneath the window of a male guest.

>>25331135
What is TsMC? Trans?

>>25331248
Somewhat but not really

>>25331248
Ts is a subgenre of gender bender wherein a character becomes another sex. Think Ranma.

>was reading a story I really liked
>author was slow in updating it, focusing on other projects
>ends the first major story arc in a bit of a rush and says he's not going to continue the book
>get mildly upset, forget about it
>update today
>book released on amazon
>says it didn't make him much money while writing it but if the full release sells well he'll continue
i'm now MORE upset

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Where new chapter?!

>>25331027
>Any good harem stuff where the harem is not the focus?
Ave Xia Rem Y might fit.

>>25331135
MaMC

>>25330808
An all-girls academy where lesbians go to become better lesbians

>>25331281
that retard is talking about Saving the school would have been easier as a cafeteria worker by CluelessRR btw

>>25331281
check discord, author ran out of adhd meds

>>25331273
Why would you be upset that a working author has to prioritize what puts food on the table?

>>25331027
Sexy Steampunk Babes, The Storm King, Ave Xia Rem, Arcane Emperor (unfinished, author disappeared)

I think the Soaring Heavens Isle alternate universe for Beware of Chicken will also be harem.

Japanese WNs/LNs: Sevens, Death March, Mushoku Tensei, Arifureta

Many of the Chinese novels: Release That Witch, Martial World, Black Iron's Glory (if you can tolerate them)
>>25331074
The Japanese and Chinese stories that western WNs tried to imitate were exactly that though. Most of the Chinese cultivation novels have harems, but they are never the focus.

>>25331299
But his story is MY adhd meds. I will correctly be checking for it and feel unfulfilled instead of doing what I'm supposed to.

>>25331273
>read a story I liked
>author is fucked
>do nothing
>why did he stop writing it???
many such cases

>>25331153
>that takes place outside the harem
thanks for admitting there is indeed a harem in the book
anyway you seem intent on dying on this hill, have fun I'm not gonna dig through the whole thing to find some references to a harem, you win

>>25331307
i'm upset at the "if enough people buy my book MAYBE i'll make more hehe." It isn't "i want to continue this but I can't" its "prove to me this is worthy my time to write" if you want to write it, write it when you have time but focus on other things. if you don't want to write it, don't fucking write it.

>>25331312
>The Japanese and Chinese stories that western WNs tried to imitate were exactly that though
Western WNs are mostly imitating shit like High School DxD, In Another World with My Smartphone, and Infinite Stratos, not fucking Sevens, Arifureta, or Mushoku Tensei.
>Most of the Chinese cultivation novels have harems, but they are never the focus.
Those long ass Chinese cultivation novels are very much bad writing, which can't be helped when a lot of them are ghost written by teams working off an outline.

Also, Death March and Arifureta aren't even harem for a fat fucking chunk of their run time.

>>25331335
>thanks for admitting there is indeed a harem in the book
There isn't. There's a harem in the universe the book takes place in but there is not a harem in the book.
>I'm not gonna dig through the whole thing to find some references to a harem
Good news, you don't have to. I checked through the whole thing to find some reference to harem before I posted in the first place to make sure I wasn't spewing bullshit. The existence of a harem is referenced once. In passing. Outside of a harem.

Obviously there's like a billion translations of the thing so results might vary, but the two I checked didn't feature any fucking harem that I could find.

>>25331273
Yeah. My story isn't doing well either. Zero engagement. Looks like I'll just wrap things up and then move on. I'll do a Volume 2 if there's demand for it, but right now there's no demand.

>>25331354
bro literally did ctrl-f harem and think that proves anything

What would Spectral Soul Demon Venerable do in this situation?

>>25331345
those are the same thing, functionally. you just twisted the original author statement into uncharitable and charitable presentations
he needs money, but work flopped. if work takes off on Amazon, he'll possibly reprioritize his future schedule
totally normal

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>>25331273
>was reading a story I really liked
>don't pay for it

>>25331374
>frog

>>25331374
Even without paying a cent, there are so many possible ways to support a work. Write a review. Post comments. Mention the story on whatever social media platform or website. Tell even one other potential reader to check it out. But 99% of readers just stand by and watch a story die, and THEN, after it's all over, come out to say "I hope you continue some day, I really liked it ;(" Well, too late motherfucker!

>>25331273
on one hand I agree with people clowning on you. you should support artists if you want them to keep making art
on the other hand I think the author is retarded. why did he start eriting it in the frst place if he needed to pay his bills?
>are you implying only working class people with already stable incomes should make art
yes. either that or ascetics who can handle being poor. otherwise the market floods with low effort, personally disinvested grifters. it's creating an indian bazaar where everyone is trying to out scam each other. it sucks

>>25331395
I understand if paying $5-10 bucks would somehow impoverish you, but I legitimately do not get how people who are fairly well-off end up reading hundreds of chapters and not once think
>huh, maybe I should support the guy who wrote this?

>>25331399
>yes. either that or ascetics who can handle being poor.
That's me.
The poor ascetic with an unstable income.

>>25331400
>huh, maybe I should support the guy who wrote this?
why should I though?

>>25331404
Because the content stops coming?

>>25331404
Relax, it's just a White person thing.

>>25331404
amazing critical thinking skills
a perfect representation of the average webnovel reader

>>25331408
>>25331414
>>25331419
your novels will never become popular, it's time to get a job

>>25331400
I can't support every story I read. Paying 10 dollars a month to an author is one thing. Paying 10 dollars a month to 10 different authors is another.

>>25331425
my novel became popular!
Low odds isn't the same as no odds

>>25331425
not related to my statement
you have an uncritical, unintelligent mind

>>25331350
>Western WNs are mostly imitating shit like High School DxD, In Another World with My Smartphone, and Infinite Stratos, not fucking Sevens, Arifureta, or Mushoku Tensei.
No. They are definitely imitating the latter.
>Those long ass Chinese cultivation novels are very much bad writing
You've never read In Another World With a Smartphone if you think Chinese cultivation novels have bad writing. The very start of Smartphone if complete trash. AI can write better than that. Mushoku Tensei popularized Isekai in general.
>>25331350
>Also, Death March and Arifureta aren't even harem for a fat fucking chunk of their run time.
That's true, but he wanted harem novels that don't focus on the harem.

>>25331475
>Mushoku Tensei popularized Isekai in general.
Definitely not

>>25331478
Mushoku Tensei was the most popular story on Narou for several years. There are tons of stories that came after that are isekais because of it.

>>25331248
it makes the most semiconductors in the world

>>25331498
it absolutely did not popularize isekai because isekai was proliferating and seeing massive mainstream success prior to it

i died and was reincarnated as a 4k remaster of my past life

>>25331533
I died and stayed dead, and now I'm a level 999 rotting corpse in the ground?!?!?!?!?!?!?!(???????????????)

>>25331540
how did you level up tho

>>25331567
sub to patreon to find out

>>25331569
no. stop writing your novel.

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Making my once per calendar month shillpost to announce my new cover art, finally replacing the god awful desaturated stock image and plaintext cover I'd been using for the past month and a half. I'd like to thank the anons who've been very insightful in this thread for pointing me in the logical direction of getting it changed. I could tell it wasn't good but the general resounding "CHANGE IT!" made it very important to me. That is alongside all the other insights and commentary from posters as I've been quietly lurking and engaging that has helped with any creative decisions in my winnie so far. You guys are much more helpful than you let on!

Additionally: I was the anon who mentioned getting a commercial rights cover for very cheap early last month, and this art was in total $150 including commercial rights, by artist amaimanis_. He's better at more anime-style art so if that's more of the aesthetic you want for a cover you paid for while still being affordable, I would suggest looking towards him.

And to make this post a little less self-centered:
Due to a lucky windfall, I was able to comfortably afford the second highest tier for an ad run on RoyalRoad for basically free, approx. 938,000 impressions. It is presently going through approval and should go up tomorrow. Alongside that, I've put in a small amount for quick 2-day ad runs on a few other sites that seem to have the best CTR for webnovels. I note this since I know some writing anons may not have the chance for a long ad run at the moment and I'm offering shout out slots in general but anons get higher priority. Just PM me on RR with a crab emoji in your message so I know you came from here and we can work out shout-out swaps.

I will return to quiet anonymity now, have a wonderful day anons.

>>25331601
I gave it a 0.5 star rating :)

>>25331612
Thank you for reading!

>>25329202
is there a reason web novels are differentiated from a writing general? some weird implications there

>>25331601
it does look better
compositionally its messy. look at the thumbnail. the whole city area is visual vomit and the main subjects (character, tree(?)) dont pop very well. the character being shaded while the buildings are a simple 2 tone is O K and he kinda stands out
I'd suggest pulling this into photoshop and trying to make your main subjects stand out more

>>25331615
because the novelists got pissy at the webnovelists.

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>>25331619
I do plan on doing some basic changes later when I touch base with a graphic arts guy I'm friends with. I have the .psd, but it's laid out strangely so I need to work on properly isolating layers. But for now I think it does the basic job well enough of saying "Here's the protagonist, here's the situation he's gonna be dealing with (City covered in trees), here's the title." I will note I storyboarded it myself since I wasn't gonna make someone read 120k (at the time) words to figure out what would be a better visual fit, so maybe just a case of my own compositional limits happened there.

>>25331615
web novels value volume of output and a dripfed release schedule so the writing process focuses more on getting the Next Thing down on the page, not to mention the fact that this is also a thread for reading web novels

>>25331615
/wg/ is a craft general and webnovels aren't technically ambitious
>why not
because webnovel both can mean any novel on the web or more specifically, a story which inherits from the aesthetics and culture of japanese webnovels/lightnovels (which are usually poorly written)
usually it means the latter

>>25331633
>Japanese inspired
it's really not, complete misconception
the biggest western wns do not ape Japanese tropes beyond how all schlock media is inspired by each other to some degree because of globalization

>>25331633
>>25331667
Japanese: bumbling everyman protagonist, huge waifu focus, over the top ridiculous dialogue, hand wavy systems
Western: Borderline psychopath aloof protagonist, little to no romance, autistic focus on system details, dialogue that fails to reach but at least tries for realism

>>25331667
it's not consciously copying but it's 100% inherited from. pretty much all the popular webnovel tropes and genres can be found rooted in jappa slop, chinkslop or koreabug slop
not to say that in joining in on the culture that westerners haven't given it their own perspective and values, but western webnovels are definitely 90% coming from the culture of japanese webnovels
>the biggest western wns do not ape Japanese tropes
ehhh. there are big ones that are distinctly not japanese at all buts lots of it is. stuff like MLA definitely are downstream of it. anything transmigration. DCC too, even if it's cut out almost all the DNA for western slop values (which is why it flopped as a webnovel but massively succeeded in tradpub)

>get super inspired to write
>write 14k words within 5 days, including editing
>fastforward today
>feeling burntout
>want to give up on the story already
Write in doses anons... don't be like me and be burntout the moment you go on a writing spree nonstop. Take breaks and be sure to allow yourself breathing room.
Or maybe I'm just lazy.

>>25331695
adhd is considered a disorder for a reason

>>25331695
The issue with breathing room is it's hard to tell where it actually is. Sometimes I can just basically meditate in some sunlight and reload another 25k words. Other times I'm in a slump for three days straight and barely cranking out chapters on time.

>>25331690
West has greater focus on hard magic system detailed power system (not necessarily a literal blue screen system) with internal consistency.
Some easterners like Cuttlefish do it but it's the norm over there to just hand wave and asspull stuff whenever the author needs it.
Also found family and some other things anons would consider reddit.
Oh and femc that are obviously male but don't have the gender bender tag because the west strictly associate that with lgbt. In the east it's the opposite, reading an actual woman is gay.

>>25331690
a few surface similarities is not "inheriting from"
western slop as a whole does not feel like an imitation of japanese slop in the slightest. not at all. even MLA is barely downstream, more stealing the premise and LN title style than anything. not the actual feel of how the Japanese would do that story
dcc, ph, mol, dotf, hwfwm are completely their own thing
as I said there are traces of influence from all over but that's true of all media in the internet age

>>25331707
>In the east it's the opposite, reading an actual woman is gay
is that more of a chinese/korea thing? a few japanese LN come to mind right away. kuma kuma, kumo, bookworm

>>25331717
Yeah probably, japs have the cute girls doing cute things genre.
Koreans won't even read a femc unless its tagged as gender bender. Chinks are probably in the middle.

>>25331715
MLA tries to pace like an LN but gets slower and more patient like a western story. it's full of jp tropes too
you seem dismissive of the very suggestion so it's a waste to get into it with you
it's the case that a lot of webnovels (anything litRPG, cultivation, or transmigration) are a part of the culture or downstream of it

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>>25329782
I bet you will pet the dog beautifully. Best of luck to you, dear anon!

>>25331730
I'm dismissive of the idea because I read and watch both and they do not feel even slightly similar
I am not arguing that there is zero influence at all, only the claim that western wns
>inherit from the esthetics and culture of japanese webnovels
specifically pointing out Japan like this implies they're the biggest influence when they simple are not. Tolkien and D&D and Sanderson are way, WAY more influential on western WNs than Japan is

there is a link as, again, all modern media influences all other media, but Japan is not the father or grandfather of western wns. they're maybe like a great granduncle or something

>>25331745
most litRPG has an obvious throughline to vrmmo, most transmigration has a throughline to isekai, and most cultivation has a throughline to xianxia
people who don't have a clue about the stories that these genres root to glow. you can tell when an author is totally disconnected from the scene and is just trying to chase trends
>specifically pointing out Japan like this implies they're the biggest influence
the eastern influence is formative to the genres that most webnovels are written in
you're correct, generally speaking the eastern influence isn't the greatest contributor to the voice of western webnovels. that it isn't the biggest influence doesn't mean that the eastern influence is not foundational to the genres nor does it mean that most webnovels aren't a part of that cultural chain
>claim
>disagreement assuming an extension of the claim that wasn't said
fuck. read slower

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>start reading some litrpg slop
>"ok this shit isn't that bad"
>keep reading
>author starts sneaking in obvious ai written content

I'm onto you motherfucker.

>>25331745
The biggest western WN site is literally a Korean WN fansite (Royalroad - Legendary Moonlight Sculptor). The other English WN sites are related to Japanese and Chinese WNs - Scribblehub through NovelUpdates and WebNovel is just straight up where Chinese WNs come from.

Japanese WNs and LNs heavily influenced both Chinese and Korean ones.
>Tolkien and D&D and Sanderson are way, WAY more influential on western WNs than Japan is
Tolkien and D&D are old. They both heavily influenced Japanese WNs too. JRPGs all have their roots in D&D and the Japanese fantasy authors almost certainly grew up playing some of those games.

The main thing is that there never was one strong WN site in the west. Western WNs were posted on individual blogs or smut and fanfiction sites. Ultimately their fantasy fiction is influenced by western fantasy fiction. We've just kind of reimported their take on it. That's why western WNs feel different from western published novels.

>>25331767
>>author starts sneaking in obvious ai written content
I know this has been asked plenty of times now, but how do you tell if its ai written? I'm a brainlet.

>>25331767
Why don't you give him a taste of his own medicine?
>writer uses AI to write
>reader uses AI to read
Problem solved.

>>25331767
I only read litRPG if it has hyperautistic systems and mechanics
it auto filters out AI because LLMs can't remember all the raw CRUNCH

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>be me
>want to be writer but everything is against me:
>ESL
>short attention span
>unreliable and unprecise memory
>no college education
>forced to work full time just to make ends meet
>need total silence to concentrate just a little
>have the loudest, most obnoxious neighbors in the world

however...
>spend 3 years writing webnovel
>finally launch
>6 months later I'm making enough $ on patreon to reduce my working hours to just part-time without starving
it's like a dream come true... but I'm almost 40 now... what a life...
Follow your dreams, guys (i guess)

>>25331779
>moderate online success has tangible impact on quality of life
downsides and upsides to being a thirdie huh
congrats bwo

>>25331779
Sure, don't link your story. Someone might believe this happened

>>25331770
>WebNovel is just straight up where Chinese WNs come from.
To be more accurate WebNovel is the international arm of Qidian. Most of what you see on the English site is written by non-Chinese.

>>25331777
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj4cxK-nOTw

>>25331784
>It's unbelievable some slum rat makes 100$ a month on patreon

What's a good reading ahead # of chapters should I put on Patreon? 10? 15? 20? I'm aiming for about 2K words a chapter.

>>25329202
so, what is the policy on posting short stories (10K words) on RR? do people do that?

>>25331784
I think it says a lot about your personal record for success that you're so doubtful of such a mild story lol

>>25331815
you can post them but no one will read them. wrong product for the customer base

>>25331816
I just wanted to check out anon's story. But of course, there is no story

>>25331822
if you want someone to share their story with you maybe don't act like a catty bitch

>>25331779
Congrats, anon. You deserve it.

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>>25331685
>Western: Borderline psychopath aloof protagonist
I wish this were the case, you're thinking of chinese protagonists. Western protagonists are all irony-poisoned quirky chuunibyous with simutaneous victim and superiority complexes, I can't fucking stand western protagonists.

>>25331820
there is no customer base for short stories unless its erotica
>>25331815
post them. might as well post your shit everywhere you can

>>25331822
anon doesnt want you to check out his story though
you are probably a stalker sperg
or if not you someone else
4chan regulars aren't mentally stable as a whole

>>25331824
I act however I please, you pig-faced freak.
>>25331830
There isn't even anyone keeping lists now. Anon just wanted to greentext and there's no story

>>25331833
schizo retard

>>25331833
it almost seems like satire how fast you prove my point

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>>25331833
>I act however I please, you pig-faced freak.

>>25331835
Your mind breaks when someone asks to read your story. This is why you're not getting anywhere. Diseased loser.

Webnovels?

>>25331843
I always see this post near instantly when the tards are acting up
You are either one of them or the one feeding them. Either way kys

It's just the threadly melty.