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Crossboarder here, is this place good for aircraft discussion? I guess planes are /m/, but are there enough man interested in them on this board?
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>>15448177
I want to Fuck that plane
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This place isn't even good for mecha discussion
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>>15448182
So do the f-22 fanboys, but they can't process the fact that the bylats build a better version of their beloved muh only stealth air to air fighter.
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>>15448177
Is the Morgan the sexiest fictional jet ever created?

This usually goes on /k/, /n/ or the sim or ace combat threads on /vg/
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>>15448177
>>15448191

So where's the S-ducts on that thing? I mean if they built a better plane then it has to have that otherwise the stealth is compromised and even the Chinese stealth planes have S-ducts.
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>>15448189
Well, it's still more usable and informative than fotm autism shit on /a/, besides it is much slower so i enjoy more being on here.
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All planes are cool to me.
feels good man
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Move aside lads, best stealth fighter comming through.
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>>15448177
Su-37 is cute! CUTE!
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>>15448191
You mean the one that still doesn't have his advanced engines designed yet or won't be operational until sometime next year.
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>>15448201
Patrician taste.
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>>15448199
There are radar blockers on the intakes which pass the rcs test. You are right that the t-50 does not put that much emphasis on stealth, but its maneuverability exceeds the f22 by much. A lot of the stealth specs are criticised because people do not understand that a prototype is not the final product.

So let me ask, where is the three-dimensional thrust vectoring on the raptor?
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Doesn't need super maneuverability when everything is BVR engagements, a Pugachev cobra isn't going to help but not being seen by the enemy will.
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>he doesn't fly an Eagle
>he doesn't fly a Berkut
Why even bother with the Raptor or T50?
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>>15448201
>cool

What's your definition of cool? I mean you can think a cesna 182 is "cool", but what if you see a sr-71 pass you in your shitty plane? You'd have to fooking be mind blown.
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>>15448249
Once again, you don't need s duct if your weak visible points are all covered. So if they have almost the same stealth it comes down to acm. In which case the pak fa would have a slight edge with it maneuvering. You can't forget that up until now the f-22 did not really have any competitors. Now that the US for some reason will be using the f-35 """"""""""lightning"""""""""", the russians will have a big advantage.
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>>15448269
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Rjdab-YlE

Not the other guy, but planes are beautiful dreams, Anon. Every single one of them.
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>>15448281
>almost the same stealth
>almost

What kind of weak qualifier is that, almost is the difference between undetectable and being detected. Since 4th gen fighters have been a thing maneuverability is less of a priority than maintaining energy, and all those post stall cobras and tailslides look great at air shows but bleed a lot of energy.

That's not even bringing up the shotty nature of Russian engines and radar, can't convince a vatnik otherwise.
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>>15448177
Planes are great, too bad Japan obsesses more about robots than planes. What a silly lot.
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>>15448285
>tfw pretending Porco Rosso is an alternate universe Gundam entry where Char survived the second Neo Zeon War and is just slumming it on earth
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>>15448191
>it's a slav in denial his shitty planes would get btfo by NATO if they ever actually fought
the chink and model poo-in-loo sneaky planes could probably outdo that thing
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>>15448177
>is this place good for aircraft discussion?

No. Unless the plane happens to transform into a giant robot, planes discussion belongs on >>>/n/ and sometimes >>>/o/ when the mods are asleep.
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>>15448312
Actually i just looked it up and apparently the pak is supposed to have a better stealth than the raptor. My knowledge was a bit dusty as i was more interested in it in early 2012. So i guess you can't really defend it anymore without spreading false information. Anyways it's all out there in the internet so you can check up on it yourself.
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>>15448326
/v/ has good plane discussions actually, requires mods are asleep but they're pretty fun
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>>15448326
By that logic it would probably be best to put airplanes in /k/.
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most aesthetic gen 5 coming through
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>>15448330

I'll bite, at what angles, and how do you know its more stealthy if the F22's RCS is still classified? Low or high frequency radar?
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>>15448358
I'm sorry Anon but that just looks like a melted MiG 1.44
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>>15448234
I don't think the F-22 will have to worry about something Russians won't be able to afford.
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>>15448191
Well you would hope so since they F-22 since it's been more than a decade since it's been more than a decade since the F-22 has been introduced operationally.
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>>15448349
only if it's military aircraft used extensively by superpower. Civil sector aircraft don't get a lot of attention over there.
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>>15448423
do you smell burnt toast?
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This is a pretty realistic Skull Squadron Valkyrie.
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>>15448453
Is your house burning?
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>>15448476
Too bad they had to retire those due to cost and maintenance issues.
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>>15448569
I wish Iran would become best buds with USA again
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>>15448581
Instead its the friend nobody wants, Turkey.
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How do I write a good, Strangereal-esque campaign for a jet fighter tabletop campaign?

Writing fictional nations without having them be direct expies is a pain in the ass.
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All planes are beautiful
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>>15448191
Does stealth even work nowadays? Radar technology improves too.

The only air wars we've seen in a while were wars against 3rd world countries using obsolete 70s technology. I'd love to see an F22 go against Russia or China.
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>>15448721
stealth is about bouncing radar waves the right way to make your plane look really tiny in radar, to clear this up you'd also start picking up clutter in the air to the point you wouldn't be able to see a plane past the pollen and bugs in the air
unless physics changed too much or we unlocked wisdom of serb to pick off stealth planes among radar clutter on longer wavelengths like that one f-117 it's gonna be here for at least a little while longer
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>>15448637
well just mix things
In one campaign we have the cross between the Spanish Civil War and the Iran-Iraq war
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>>15448637
I feel like planes and mercs should be good reading if you haven't already.
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>>15448682
I loved this design when I was a kid so much. there were several MIG-15s in my hometown. Soviets just placed them randomly for fun, one was literally in the middle of a playground between four houses. But they were on some kind of high stands so I couldn't reach the air intake like I always wanted.
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>>15448234
I heard the Russian RCS test is seeing whether a police radar gun bought off Amazon can detect it.

>A lot of the stealth specs are criticised because people do not understand that a prototype is not the final product.
Then why are they declaring it operational this year?
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>>15448285
That's gorgeous. Always a fan of the 30s stylings.

Crimson Skies has some cool designs too.
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>>15448234
>So let me ask, where is the three-dimensional thrust vectoring on the raptor?
Absent because Lockheed is smart enough to know that its not actually needed. Not being seen is better than being able to turn slightly faster.

For what its worth, a decent part of why the Raptor has 2D TVC has less about mai dog fighting and more about better STOL performance for when the commies put a radioactive crater on the end of your runway.

>>15448726
Stealth is less about not being seen and more about not being seen first. If you spot the other guy before he sees you, you have a big tactical advantage in that you can control where/when/how/if you fight the guy.
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h-hey guys
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>>15448358
I want to rub lotion along its entire fuselage. Right down its spine.
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Raptor is mai waifu
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>>15448281
>t. Sprey
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>>15448919

Hope they're still not using Garmin
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>>15449014
ok Lockheed shill
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>>15448995
>tfw Gates, Rumsfeld and Obama killed you're waifu and then cast unhallow on the corpse so it couldn't even be resurrected then destroyed the holy temple where all the clerics of the Raptor were assembled and started praying to some thunder deity

Y liv?

Still, I can't wait for Raptor/Lightning flights to just obliterate everything they fly at.
>ywn fly escort for a Lightning in a Raptor
See above query.
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>>15448177
>is this place good for aircraft discussion
That depends, does it turn into a giant robot?
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>>15449022
>shilling a multi billion dollar member of the military industrial complex on 4chinz
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>>15449034
Apparently Lockheed kept all the machinery needed to start up Raptor production.
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>>15448234
>So let me ask, where is the three-dimensional thrust vectoring on the raptor?

The place where it can perform extreme maneuvers through its control surfaces instead of ballistics.
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>>15448281
>So if they have almost the same stealth it comes down to acm.

IIRC Russian patents rate the PAK-FA's RCS similar to a Super Hornet, which has a relatively low RCS for a plane not designed for very low RCS.
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<<Soon there will be no one gripping a control stick and taking to the skies>>
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>>15448721
>Does stealth even work nowadays? Radar technology improves too.

Yes, and aircraft without low RCS will still be seen farther in the presence of magic handwavium radars.
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This video sums up all the lies the american media is saying about the pak fa t 50. Instead of trying to reply with muh s ducts, just watch the video and inform yourself, gg.

https://youtu.be/scJnps0RErg
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>>15449044
It's just not gonna happen. The Navy does need an escort, but the raptor would never work (too cost/time prohibitive to develop a naval variant). ASH will work as a stopgap, but it won't work forever.
Honestly, I think we're just gonna have to wait another decade or two for a new interceptor.
>>15449040
Seriously, only N-G has to do this.
>>15449078
;^)
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>>15449096
Hey there Ivan!
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What's the real life counterpart of Seed's Skygrasper?
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>>15449107
No one is buying ASH, there is no point when an F-35 is nearly the same price but significantly more capable.
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>>15449117
Not sure what you meant by this, but if you are suggesting that i am russian or shilling the plane then you are wrong. Literally every lie anons said about the pak fa is being proven wrong. Yes amerifat also the mind boggling lie about it not being stealthy. Really must trigger you to find out that it is in fact much more stealthier than the f 22 raptor.
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>>15449160
>Literally every lie anons said about the pak fa is being proven wrong.

Which lies have been proven wrong?
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>>15449177
Watch the fucking video, you retard. I'm not going to explain every thing i just posted for you in a video. Scroll to the top of the thread, look at the comments saying it has no stealth because of no muh s ducts, scroll down to the video i posted, click play and learn that the pak fa is even more stealthier then the plane (f 22) being defended in said comments.
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>>15449195
I watched the video, it doesn't do a good job backing up its arguments and is heavily reliant on strawman 'myths' to debunk.
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>>15449159
Maybe not as of yet, but the odds are increasingly likely of a big purchase of ASHs, which would really not be that expensive since most of that would just be retrofitting the old fleet.
>>15449160
Go away vatnik. PAK FA is a cool plane, but it is never gonna be competitive.
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>>15449195
>learn that the pak fa is even more stealthier then the plane (f 22) being defended in said comments

>exposed engines
>no S ducts
>standard IRST ripped off of a Flanker instead of an EOTS
>two piece canopy
>non sawtoothed engine nozzles
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>>15449205
Those myths (lies) are what the people are basing their arguments on when they criticise the f 50. I mean at least the guy is showing you how media takes specs from an early prototype ( which by now have been fixed and improved) and acts like those are its actual ones, even tough you can look it up yourself and see that those don't apply to the actual plane.
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>>15449212
At least make an effort to inform yourself properly/ gather knowldge or simply watch the video before commenting.
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>>15449211
>but the odds are increasingly likely of a big purchase of ASHs

By who? The USN's plan on upgrading its existing fleet to Block III's is not the same thing.
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>>15449224
>slavs on MY /m/

O I am laffin
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>>15449224
To pick a prominent example, it isn't a lie that the PAK-FA lacks S ducts.

What is a lie is implying that radar blockers are anywhere as effective as S ducts, especially when it uses the Super Hornet as an example of an aircraft with radar blockers when the Super Hornet also has S ducts.
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>>15449248
>my

Try to atleast come up with an actual argument instead of resorting to memes. Besides i'm not a slav, i simply am not able to understand why americans are so afraid of the pak fa that they make up blatant lies to make it look bad.
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>>15449270
Much of that video is supposed lies that I have never seen on /k/, and /k/ is pretty vicious to the PAK FA.
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>>15449233
I don't know about you but every single thing that anon listed can be seen on the actual aircraft itself.
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>>15449267
>muh s ducts

Right, see i care more about the actual size of the rcs then a literally useless argument.
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>>15448197
Oy mate
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>>15449284
Watch the video that has all the lies nicely summed up and debunked instead of posting a picture saying nothing. Its like i'd post a picture of a product in it's development stage and complain that it has/ has not things that it should have in its final form. Ironically the more developed form is out and can be seen by anyone but others just ignore it and still criticise a prototype.
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>>15449286
>"official number" is roughly equal to lower RCS 4th gen aircraft like the Typhoon and Super Hornet
>I DON'T BELIEVE THEY WERE MEASURED THE SAME WAY REEEEEEEEEE
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>>15449305
>"""debunked"""
Haha
>stop posting memes
Then why are you still here, Ivan?
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>>15449305
It doesn't do a good job of debunking, see >>15449267
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>>15449305
>Ironically the more developed form is out and can be seen by anyone but others just ignore it and still criticise a prototype.
I've never seen this
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Good goy, looks like the russians will have to wage war against america to prove the superiority of the pak fa. Maybe when it get's finally released in the next 2 years everyone will be able to see behind the lies they have been fed. Until then good luck with the fatman threefiddy """""""""lightning""""""""" 2 vertical maymay edition.
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>>15449362
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0La1En0dAQ

Your tears sustain me.
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>>15449344
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There's a reason the F-35 is a fat slug, maneuverability doesn't mean shit anymore.

The dogfighting age is over.
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>>15449388
AIM-9X is my missilefu
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>>15449388
No shit, they have been over since more then a decade. The f 22 is also a stealth fighter so why the fuck is a low range meme shitter getting made when it is the worse version of the existing one. They should just spend those billions on making the raptor an even more excellent piece of machinery.
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>>15449400
>the F-35 is just a worse version of the F-22
stupid dumb
vatnik scum
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>>15449400
>They should just spend those billions on making the raptor an even more excellent piece of machinery.
But they are. Its called the JSF program.
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>>15449388
Better not tell these real pilots your hot opinions.
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>>15449416
Oh really who would've thought. It's almost like i was talking about the money that goes into the f 35 program.
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>>15449426
are you this retarded

please tell me you aren't
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>>15449433
Hmm? Oh so you say you were just pretending to be retarded. Interesting, maybe you should invest billions into readjusting your logic and reading comprehensibility. Oh what was that, your taxs dollary doos are being spend on a fatman that can fly, well shieeeeet nigger.
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>>15449424
Glancing over that, are there really only 5 relevant stats to maneuverability? Cus just from a scientific data presentation perspective those results seem a tad bit sketchy to me, like they were picked out to support the desired conclusion.
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>>15449424

Why the disparity between the performance of the legacy Eagle and Strike Eagle? It should be relatively close since its basically the same airframe right?

Also
>Super Duper Bug
I don't think anyone is looking for life extension programs for a 30 year old airframe, just another thing the F14 did better. Getting life extensions.
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>>15449466
The F-15E isn't exactly the same airframe though.
Its larger, and heavier, due to the CFT and double seater cockpit, and extra hardpoints.
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>>15449458
>cus
>sketchy

>can't accept a fact
>resorts to nigger language and denial

Did your money perhaps go into the development of the fatman?
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>>15449478
but the stats are in favour of the F-35
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>>15449481
Hmm, what? I thought being illogical is how you amerigoons came to the conclusion the pak fa is a shit meme?
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someplanes are beuatiful even without a paintjob .
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>>15449497
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Yukikaze has some rad planes
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>>15449458
>Actual F-35 pilots with experience on legacy aircraft are telling me something I do not want to hear, how can I dismiss them?

>>15449489
Logical deduction based on fact is the origin of the PAK FA a shit meme.
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>>15449508
Desu, not to mention one of the best animated air combat sequences ever.
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>>15449522
It's between that and The Sky Crawlers for me
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>>15449466
>since its basically the same airframe right?

The F-15E's airframe is beefed up so that it can use bigger engines and have more pylons.
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>>15449508
It really does.
Here's the artbook if anyone is interested.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/v249y21de29pxq1/Yukikaze_ArtBook1.zip
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>>15449553
You are a saint, sir.
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Yellow a best.
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>A country with a GDP comparable to Australia and falling thinks it can still compete with the NAYTOW and YOO ESS AIR FORCE

funny joke comrade
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>>15448177
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>>15448177
>>15449674
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>>15448199
Aggressor crafts need more loving
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>>15449289
Wyvern is alright too.
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Her whole family is
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>>15448682
Swedes have some of the cooliest and craziest designs I have ever seen.
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>>15449448
...
The JSF programme IS the F 35 programme

The F35 IS the JSF

Just
Wow

>>15449478

He was just raising a fair concern that the manoeuvrability of the planes were calculated using only 5 factors when he expected more. Why so tilted?
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>>15449818
that dumb vodka nigger also doesn't seem to realize that the F-22 is slated to recieve some of the technologies developed through the JSF program.
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>>15449790
Literally a ricer F-16.
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>>15448177
>but are there enough man interested in them on this board?

Once in awhile we'll get an Ace Combat thread that usually has discussions of planes if that counts.
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>>15449824
Vodka really screws with the brain, huh?
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>>15449825
Made from superior nippon aluminium folded 10000 times
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>>15450021
Swept-forward wings will never not be sexy.
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>>15448234
>where is the three-dimensional thrust vectoring on the raptor?
ignored because vectoring is 100% pointless
even f22 pilots admit this
they say they would rather more power than thrust vectoring
all A2A fights are BVR these days
you can't out turn a missile going mach 3 while sustaining 25G turns

Source: I build the f22 afterburners
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post lewds
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why do euros like canards so much?
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>>15448811
>one was literally in the middle of a playground between four houses
Found the picture. It is still there.

>>15449066
Since there will be no pilots who fly, the motivation is going to be different. But it's alright, it's good that hopefully less people would have to die in future wars, just robots.

>>15449248
Slavs are minority in Russia. Stop calling random Russians Slavs.
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>>15450120
>>Slavs are minority in Russia. Stop calling random Russians Slavs.

Not exactly a minority, but calling some buryats or chchens "slavs" is more than silly. Well, americans can hardly grasp the concept...

Pic sort of related. |not|MiG-15...
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>>15449521
I'm not even arguing against the F-35 here, I'm saying that purely from a scientific mindset seeing so little data being used to draw a conclusion makes me doubtful. I'm perfectly willing to believe actual pilots rate it positively, I just find such a limited data set dubious. Are there more? That second chart was a start.
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How does everyone feel about flying boats?
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>>15450347
unrealistic, get this super robot shit outta here
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>>15450361
Do not bully flying boats.
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>>15448177
What are your favorite fictional aircrafts, /m/?

When is technology going to advance enough that we can tell the laws of aerodynamics to fuck off and we can build working Getter machines?
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>>15449657
Yeah that's the real reason why the USSR lost the Cold War. It takes money to fund an army and they went broke before NATO did.

When Russia invaded the Crimea everyone here was pissed. Now we have to spend billions on defense again like during the Cold War. And unlike the US people here prefer spending that money on healthcare and infrastructure not fancy planes but now we have to.
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>>15448219
Mah nigga!
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>>15448281
>Now that the US for some reason will be using the f-35 """"""""""lightning"""""""""", the russians will have a big advantage.
Yeah, IF we will be able to produce and take them to the army AT ALL. Which is a pretty big IF, judging by how everything is going here.
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>>15450120
I live in Ljuberzy now. We have some neat Afghan memorial here.
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>>15448189

Considering an aircraft thread that has no F5...
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>>15448281
>the russians will have a big advantage.
Will they though? Are you sure they won't just do the same as the US did with the F-22 and only ever use it for missions where there is zero risk to it because losing one would damage their credibility? Because Russia seems to care more about making shows of strength.
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>>15450503
Don't you try to talk shit about our glorious motherland you filthy capitalist! Don't you know we have a fucking ocean-capable Isengard at our disposal?! I bet you don't even know what black smoke means - well that means that the officers there are still in process of electing the new Pope!
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>>15450067
>Mikoyan
>Gurevich
>Armenian and jew
>Slavs
I hate to admit it, but our fighter aviation took a nosedive right at the moment when Polikarpov and Petlyakov died and went straight into the shit ocean when these two hacks used their family connections to push the remains of Polikarpov's KB, as well as Yakovlev and Lavochkin's, out of the picture.
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Is /k/ in here? How does /k/ feel about variable fighters?
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>>15450511
Oh man, I remember a few months back when they sent that fleet out as a show of their ability to project their power in a carrier battle group...the single one they were capable of mustering, and with the centrepiece being their sole carrier, a cold war rustbucket that lost two planes to arresting cable malfunctions and stayed just long enough for them to do their dick waving and then pissed off home before anything really embarrassing happened and ruined their credibility.
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>>15450532
>Chinese bought Riga in even WORSE shape from cockholes as a scrap, together with Su-33 prototype, made them into a capable carrier and NAVY fighter
>we rebuilt Gorshkov, the OLDER project, into Vikramaditya for Pajeets
>still, our own fleet has this, not new boilers for our guys
>MFW
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>>15450501
>"I have no sheckels even for used F-16 but i want to be 'murrica ally too!" third-worlder crap
>Most generic look ever
I wonder why is it not even mentioned, yeah.
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>>15450178
>Well, americans can hardly grasp the concept...
Don't blame them, it's natural that they don't know people who live on the other side of our planet. Like we don't know Latin Americans, we can't tell them from each other.

>>15450467
>the real reason why the USSR lost the Cold War
I don't want to turn it into /pol/ but but USSR "lost" because Soviet people wanted freedom. It had barely anything with Cold War. You are of course right about budgeting, it was stupit and unreasonable.


>>15450482
Looks good but the stand is an overdesigned cluserfuck. And I don't think that it should be placed like it's falling.

Also
>Danger
What, lol? If it is dangerous, it should be removed or fixed.

<-- I also love weird stuff like this.
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>>15450553
Or even this. For what purpose? Who knows.
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>>15450553
>Looks good but the stand is an overdesigned cluserfuck. And I don't think that it should be placed like it's falling.
It is not the best angle, but it is not falling, it is taking off. But yeah, the stand is a clusterfuck. It was clearly made to resemble a mountain, and it failed.
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>>15450559
>it is taking off.
Oh, I see. I'm not very good at this kind of knowledge.
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>>15450555
>>15450565
Heh, those are great. Kinda reminds me of those old tanks still sitting in fields because no one can be assed to move them.
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>>15450109

Like giving your plane a hipster mustache
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>>15450578
Some of them are famous like that Gomati bay tank but I find old war machines on peaceful fields more appealing. They make a chill atmosphere. Probaly thanks to the contrast and the fact that they are not dangerous anymore. It reminds us that wars end and all settles down.
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>>15450616
This. I think that's why it's such a recurring thing in Gundam.
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>>15449733
These are incredible.

Link?
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>>15450524
Gerwalk is fucking stupid.
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>>15449795
THICCA
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>>15450742
UUUUH
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>>15450742
>that tiny ugly shit
>thicc
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>>15450850
>don't shoot at me or my sons ever again
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>>15450835
>disgusting morbidly obese cow
>not even an aircraft, it is a glider with some engines slapped over it
>thicc
You have no taste.
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>THICC
>SLICC
BESTT
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>>15450870
>posts yak with a jet slapped under it
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This thread has too many jetfags.

What's the best WWII plane?
The answer is obviously the BF-110
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>>15450935
Actually it's damn right
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>>15450482
>tfw burgerfat and instead of a glorious Hind we just get a little Cobra
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>tfw you land on the wrong carrier.
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>>15450347
Seaplanes as a whole are brilliant. Best flying boat (failed) comming through.

>>15450966
>the hurricane is finally the biplane it was originally meant to be
Beautiful.
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>>15451001
>Top speed as a biplane is close to the stall speed as a monoplane.

Fucking slip wings man.
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>>15451040
Seriously though what was this for? Just a testbed for some airfoil?
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>>15451055
Shorten the takeoff as a biplane. Then you jettison the extra wing and fly on as a normal monoplane. Ultimately the idea was dropped.
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>>15451074
Fair enough.
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>>15451074
Did the tank died?
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>hoping to go rated
>mfw that possibility I fuck it up
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>>15449394
>HOBS missiles
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>>15450924
>Lavochkin
>Yak
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>>15450970
My favorite is
>PROBABLY AN AIR FORCE
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>>15448191
Spotted the slavshit.
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>>15449394
QAAMs too stronk, nerf pls.
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>>15451678
The Air Force-Navy rivalry can be pretty cheeky at times.
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>>15452520
I can just guess, this is a Zeek design isn't it?
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Firefox is a pretty cool 1980s movie. It will probably feel dated to the millenials on this board, and the first 80 minutes are more about espionage than fighter planes, but the ending makes up for it.
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>>15452542
yup yup
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>>15452549
Now that one doesn't look half bad.
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https://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/raiden-dx-new/11-break-out-level6-.mp3
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why can't I hold all these amraams
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>>15452544
I made a paper model of MiG-31 from that movie. Sadly, had to left it in the other room when i moved. Yeah, fun movie it was.
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>>15452596
This is simply... beautiful.

F-19 is probably my favorite one, and the game along with Red Baron is still the best casual flight sim out there - not too complicated and easy to control, but not feeding you waves of enemies and 1ups from the clouds either. I wonder how the Firefox vs. F-19 dogfight will go.
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>Tfw this is the best thing to come out of Thunderbirds Are Go!
Thanks Kawamori. Now when will the fucking model kit get a reprint?
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>>15448811
MiGs are like real life TIE fighters
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>>15450223
>when the cleric buffs you with +2/+1 holy damage

Das it mane
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>>15450935
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>>15450935
No.
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>>15452596

The F7U really feels like it would be at home in a lot of retro-futuristic settings.

A shame that it was very, very unreliable.
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F-4U stronk
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Why are slavs so insecure about their planes and spend all their time talking about hypotheticals when their own state media can barely put together enough footage of their shit actually working?

Slavs should just be happy that their planes at least have aesthetic, unlike the Chinese.
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>>15453149
>cripples
Patrician fetish here!
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>>15453193
Nice
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>>15453243
L LEWD!!
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>>15453247
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKPm0i5oThk

You ain't seen nothing yet.
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>>15448972
lewwwwwwwd
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>250 replies
>Warthog not mentioned once

I find the lack of BRRRT in this thread disturbing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySuixFGIfbE
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I don't get the US obsesion with stealth air to air. When was the last time you did air to air? 30 years ago? 50? You are literal grandpas at this point, yelling to actual useful planes to get off your air lawn.
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>>15453850

A-10 is overrated

>>15453854
What's wrong with stealth, it doesn't impede the performance of the machine. Also, never know when the next peer to peer conflict is going to pop up. You're either in front and ahead of the curve, or you're playing catchup.
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>>15453854
Stealth allows a fighter to act like a sniper. Shooting down opposing aircraft before they even knew they were being engaged

In a conventional war, whomever controls the skies, controls the war.

If you have 15,000 tanks but no air cover, then all that armor will be rendered useless as the righteous hammer of God comes crashing down from the heavens above. Unopposed
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>>15450565
Are those stairs going up into it?

Please tell me some crazy old man lives in it that'd be great.
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>>15453862
>A-10 is overrated
Get the fuck off my board, you filthy pleb.
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>>15453854
Stealth is why F-35's were able to knock out ~50 SAM batteries at Red Flag 2017 when they normally just lob Tomahawks at them.
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>>15454268
A-10's are overkill/expensive for COIN and yet not viable in contested airspace.
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>Unlike the Xbox 360 the Xbox One/S/Scorpio probably won't get another Ace Combat exclusive game
I'm sad.
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>>15454268

BBBBBBRRRRRRTTTTTTT memery is the most plebeian of aircraft memes, its only good against soft targets can't even dent any modern MBTs
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>>15454651
Its been two months since the announcement that AC7 is releasing on all platforms.
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>>15454676
>exclusive
Xbox only had one AC exclusive, and it was a pretty decent one at least compared to Assault Horizon.
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>>15454685
>6
>pretty decent

6fags aren't cleared to fly in this airspace.
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>>15454268
Its true though. For Forward air control and BRRRRTTTING during COIN operations it's complete overkill. There's no good reason to use a 30 year old twin jet with a 30mm cannon to do the job of a small turboprop like the Super Tucano or the sadly cancelled OV-10X. Both aircraft have/can carry more than enough brrrrrt to ruin an ISIS fighter's day. As for the original job of tank busting, BRRRRRT won't cut it anymore so it'll use PGMs except there's no reason why you can't put those PGMs on something else.
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>>15454696
>6
>not good
Please gas yourself, Belkan.
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>>15454717
You first, Stovie.
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>>15454696

Its literally AC04 with a better skin and in battle landings and take offs.

>>15454699
It also kills nearly as many Marines as an Osprey
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>>15449707
what the shit is that?
please tell me it's fake
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>>15454696
I'd like to understand the distaste some posters in this thread have for AC6. I haven't played them, but it doesn't seem a radical departure from the older games, unlike AC:AH?
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>>15455607
It does have a pretty small plane selection, and dropped the F-4 and F-5. Other than that its an Xbox exclusive, controls are more arcade-like similar to AC04. It didn't change up the gameplay much, but did try some new things like in combat landings and take offs from the same map, and calling in allied army support.
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>>15455607
I just don't feel 6 was all that compelling, and to and extent I'm having similar issues with 7 and how shamelessly it's all "hey guys remember the PS2 games?" There's also Infinity to factor in, and how it rode on nostalgia to con people out of time and money for a concept that could've easily been a great continuity reboot to clean up and more elegantly present the Strangereal lore.

I know full well I'm in the absolute minority when I say this, but I'm fully accepting of Assault Horizon's flaws. There are a lot of things jank about the game, but I feel in it there was a surge of potential for exploring arcade style aircraft action that would never exist if AC only stuck to the formula that has defined its games since 04.

I never really got that feeling with 6. 6 ended up being the most forgettable experience for me other than its amazing cockpit detail, because it was really just the same AC song and dance at the end of the day but with a fresh coat of paint, and it got to a point where I just felt burnt out on the formula without there being some kind of major shakeup.

I think the root of my gripe is that I just wanted one more experimental entry to provide some reassurance that the franchise won't be an endless rehash of the PS2 trilogy with minor gimmicks attached, or more accurately that Ace Combat won't fundamentally be nothing more than "let's recycle Ace Combat 2 because it was what was most successful in the domestic market back in the PSX days."

Honestly I sometimes hate myself for caring this much and not just enjoying all the ACs for the fun of doing sick impractical maneuvers for the express purpose of shitting sidewinders down the intakes of random planes, it's ruining my ability to be happy that AC7 is not just a thing, it's a multiplatform thing, PC included. That should be the greatest comfort in the world right now and here I am being the most irrationally bitter person in the AC fandom.
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>>15455607
It was a xbox360 exclusive
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>>15453947
I can't see any stairs. This is Kazan State Technological University, where they teach aviation so they probably have access to the insides for party... I mean educational purposes.

>Image limit reached.
Have a link to a playground plane with stairs then: https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/15585/137106206.5d9/0_1550e4_7b1c53b1_orig.
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>>15455607
It was pretty much AC4 2.0 and most of it is just a natural knee-jerk reaction to disliking a game exclusive to an Xbox console.




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