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Was he King Arthur?
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>>15893405
no, that guy who was King Arthur was King Arthur

are you going to ask if he was Jack The Ripper, too?
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>>15893428
>Babylon 5
>Liberal Propaganda
>>>/pol/
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>>15893462
Seriously, if you can't tell me what about Babylon 5 is liberal propaganda, then fuck off. This isn't a thread about "general American sci-fi," and it's certainly not your /pol/ soapbox about Western media. Go shit up the Star Trek discovery thread, at least there your comments would have some relevance.
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>>15893428
>MEANWHILE, AT BAEN BOOKS' COVER ILLUSTRATION DEPARTMENT...
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>>15893462

Have you considered that maybe ultra conservative scifi simply doesnt sell, and thats why it doesnt get made?
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>>15893535

Im just saying dont blame on political conspiracy what can be explained by simple business.
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>>15893405
Yes, I especially liked the part where he ruled England because of a magic sword.
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ITT: We soapbox about liberals and make reddit-tier jokes about OP's question.
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>>15893594
>he actually fell for the red pill ruse
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>oh cool a babylon 5 thread
>it's fucking shit

Why must /pol/ ruin everything?
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>>15893535
What would be a realistic conservative Science Fiction show look like, anyway?
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>>15893590
>>15893604
Yeah, this was bullshit. We should try to get another going when this one dies.
>>15893621
If you have nothing to say about Babylon 5, then fuck off. You clearly haven't even watched it.
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>>15893590
I'm sorry we aren't using the hallmark of 4chan humor, "WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THIS?"
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>>15893594
Go whine about it somewhere else, you fucking cocksucker.
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>>15893670
What did he mean by this?
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I wish they would make a movie ending to Crusade, but that's obviously never going to happen. The last movie was great, very satisfying ending.
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>>15893621
I hope you're proud that you ruined an entire thread about a show you've never watched by shitposting your /pol/ rant. You giant fucking faggot.
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When you have David Warner on your station looking for the Holy Grail, I'm inclined anything Arthurian goes.
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>>15893462
>Babylon 5
>Good slot
>Decent budget

It's the best live-action sci-fi series of all time. Seasons 2-4 are unbeatable. Now stop bitching about indentity politics and fucking sit down and watch it.
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>>15893809
Plus the part where he disappears instead of dying, with the implication being that he'll return. Very Arthurian.
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>>15893524
Given that Larry Correia's stuff has hit the NYT best seller list several times, I think it's more that that.

That said it's stupid as hell to call babylon 5 liberal propaganda. There is money in their future, the government isn't socialism, it's one of the rare SF shows that doesn't shit all over religion, it legitimately explores all sides of view, etc.

JMS himself is liberal as fuck, and an atheist, but certainly doesn't manifest itself in the show in any major way as far as I can tell. Maybe the all the aliens forming a unified government in the end, or the thinly veiled Nazis, but even that is a stretch.
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>>15893811
It's like reading a good novel. Lots of cool religious imagery and literary references. Great worldbuilding. Story that actually has a point and goes somewhere. It's a rare beast among TV sci-fi.
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>>15893817
The UN that they form is also displayed in a very realistic light. It's never presented as some idealist thing, the minor powers are critical of their position in regards to the major ones, and they eventually fall into feudalism.
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>>15893594
Babylon was not a Hollywood production. It was rejected by all major studios and had to be put together on the cheap.

>>15893621
Babylon 5 was not a disney production.

>>15893809
>When you have David Warner on your station looking for the Holy Grail,
It was so weird to see him in a role where he wasn't a villain.

Also there was the episode with the guy who thought he was a knight, with him and G'Kar beating up some guys.
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>>15893817
>Thinly veiled Nazis

I felt they owed a much larger debt to Nineteen Eighty-Four, which is mostly communist, personally. That possible future with Goodfacts vs Truefacts was the most overt shoutout to the novel.
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>>15893832
This is probably a better read.
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>mfw it's a psychic-Chekov episode
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>>15893860
Bester was such an amazing villain.
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>>15893524

Or that the type of people inclined to write speculative fiction about the role of technology and science in society are more inclined to be liberal in their viewpoints as a general rule, and not some kind of corporate conspiracy they're bending knee to purely for money and don't actually believe in.
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>>15893860
>>15893866
The fact that we never got a climax for Bester and the PsyCorp plot was one of the greatest tragedies of B5. Instead we got that bullshit with Byron in season 5.
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>>15894052
>that bullshit with Byron in season 5
That arc was good though. And Lyta led the Babylon 5 telepaths to destroy the psi corps afterwards, and Bester was sentenced to life internment with the drug that removed psychic abilities. That was the climax.
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>>15894092
Yeah. In a book. Not on screen.
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>>15893954

That's a good point. Science fiction, good scifi at any rate, is about pushing the boundaries of what is possible and imagining the effects that this new tech or resource or whatever has on society. Ultraconservatism is mostly about resetting the clock to an imaginary timeperiod or otherwise resisting change. So I can see how those would be at odds with each other.

So I guess... ultraconservative scifi would be something like 'immigration destroys the world, also there are robots' where the social issue with a conservative bent is the primary player and the scifi technology is more of a secondary feature? Pretty much entirely about dystopias and why liberalism is somehow responsible for them.
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Even pic related was quite liberal, despite proposing military republic
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>>15895417

BOTS TOOK OUR JAWBS
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>>15893954
The counterpoint is that first big pulp boom of SF wasn't that liberal. Edgar Rice Burroughs believed in eugenics, Howard and Merrit had christian elements in their stories, etc.

I believe the theory being pushed by the people trying to create a pulp revival is that science fiction originally had more populist roots, and was forced into becoming more liberal due to Campbell's revolution and the works of openly socialist SF writers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ3pbxp3QKU

Sage for me indulging the /pol/ vs /leftypol/ shit
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Loved Babylon 5
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>>15895494
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>>15895507
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Was Sinclair better?
The answer is yes
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>>15895517
maybe but I didn't hate how they ended up using his character.
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>>15895517
Sherridan hands down.
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>>15895533
I'm an ardent Sinclair-fag, and even I know he got the treatment he deserved
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>>15895541
literally becoming an alien messiah
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>>15895551
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>>15895520
Sharlins are great.
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>>15895575
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>>15895517
>Was Sinclair better?

No not in a thousand years. Sinclair was too much "Star Treky". It's a good thing they made him an ambassador and let the new guy run Babylon 5.
Best characters on the show were Zathras, G-khar, Bester and Lyta Alexander. Now when I re-watch Star Trek and see Chekov I see Bester. I wish Koenig's star trek character could have been that of a badass cynical bastard like Bester was.
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>>15895651
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>>15895651
>Zathras
Now THAT'S good taste
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>>15895688

Well G-khar actually does complete his destiny. And Londo Mollari knows from season 1 that his "friend" will kill him. G-Khar and Londo's character arc is the best one not only in Babylon 5 but one of the best in the whole of tv science fiction.
I felt pity for Londo at the end although he brought all the darkness on himself by being a greedy bastard. Both of them were great characters.
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What's the word on the street for the new movie?
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>>15895753
>What's the word on the street for the new movie?

Development hell ? Run out of cast characters (some of them have died) ?
I sincerly hope the powers that be shelved the film project. There was a time to do it, and they lost the occasion.
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>>15895767
>Run out of cast characters (some of them have died) ?
Nah, I meant the new reboot film that JMS was apparently writing/pitching
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>>15895603
Really doubling down on the fish-ship aesthetic. I like it.
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>>15895783
>Really doubling down on the fish-ship aesthetic. I like it.

Classic minbari cruisers are wierd, but nothing beats the sexiness of the white stars (or the Starfurys).
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>>15895517
Not really fair, since he got only one season while Sheridan got four. I don't prefer him as a character, but the actor did a much better job the Sheridan's.
A buddy told me one that they ditched Sinclair after the first season because the actor went insane. How correct is that?
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>>15895865
Harsh way of phrasing it, but true. O'Hare asked JMS not to tell anyone until he passed, so 3 years ago we got this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwyAo_YjtdM
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>>15895774
They announced it at Comic-con in 2014 and there hasn't been any news since. It's probably not gonna happen.
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>>15895551
>we will never meet a bad ass frigate captain from this universe
what a shame
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>>15895988
That's not really fair to Vir. He probably had the most character development of anyone in the show. He goes from a grovelling lackey to standing up to Londo against his people's traditions, then commits regicide, sinks into alcoholism, and eventually becomes arguably the best regent in the recent history of his people.
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>>15895987
>>15895774

Seems from his Twitter that JMS can't find funding for the movie.
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>>15896053
It's honestly pretty crazy that they were able to get 7 movies and half a spin-off from the old show. Was it ever that popular?
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>>15895844
Both excellent designs. I think I like every ship in the series, except maybe the Thunderbolt.

>>15895865
Sinclair always seemed really wooden to me, though that could just be season one.
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>>15893483
OP of the Discovery thread here. Thanks for sending your troll my way jerk! Here's a few spaceships for your trouble. Jackass.
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>>15896137
At least we can agree Star Fury is great.
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>>15896137
Supposedly that ship class had a big missile broadside that never made it into the show. B5 with modern effects tech would be an interesting thing.
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I really enjoyed B5 as a whole, but I think I prefer DS9 for stand-alone episodes.
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>>15896395
Babylon 5 also didn't have nearly as many stand-alone episodes. I'd agree though.
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>>15896441
B5 doing star trek stuff was fun, like when the derp aliens had Red vs Green time, or when lesbian had to show alien around
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>>15893428
Calls Babylon 5 liberal propaganda

Earth created a Ministry of Truth which were essentially liberal thought police. The fixed problems by redefining them. And Sheridan declared independence from the clearly left leaning authoritarian Earth government.

Yet, this idiot sees it as liberal propaganda.
Must be a Trekkie that never watched Babylon 5 at all.
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>>15896001

God, I love this.
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>>15896001
>>15896864
Londo was such a great character. In the first season it seemed like he and G'Kar would sort of just be comic relief, but both of them really grew over the course of the series in pretty significant ways. He was such a tragic figure ;_; At least Vir ended up well.
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>>15896870
Yep.
>So G-Kar is a one note villain, and Londo is the decadent washout.

Man how they grew from that.

>>15896476
>B5 doing star trek stuff was fun,
Yep. My favorite was the doctor episode where he played god since it was the 'right thing to do' and it ended miserably.
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Which one would you 45°?
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>>15896931
Hybrid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9UJOgC0Qjk
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>>15893428
>liberal propaganda
>most of the cast is white and the only black main character around is Franklin, even the aliens are mostly played by white people
>religion and faith generally considered good things in the show
>entire show is about a straight white man (Sheridan) teaching other races to quit being so retarded
>Garibaldi's actor became a conservative radio host
>the closest person the show has to a gay character spends her life forever alone while the woman she loves turns evil and gets dissected off-screen
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>>15896955
There were a couple of black side characters, though. Didn't the first psychic lady...Talia, I think? Didn't she have a black boyfriend who transcended into some psychic superbeing in one of the early episodes?
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How much of a hard sell is Babylon 5 to modern audiences? Most casuals will drop a show by its third episode if they think its uninteresting. And I'd say Babylon 5 doesn't find its footing until the third season.
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>>15896964
I think he was her mentor and/or instructor at the Psi-Corps.

>>15897001
I've typically had to push people to watch through about half the first season before they were hooked.
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>>15897001
I thought the first season was pretty good. But I also thought the first seasons of TNG and Farscape were good, and people say those are bad. I might just be easily pleased.
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I wish crusade took off.
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>>15897128
We all do.
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>>15897001
>And I'd say Babylon 5 doesn't find its footing until the third season.

That's not true. While the first season has its fair share of stinker episodes there are quite a lot (at least 40-50%) of them that are great, and set the whole epic story in motion. The percentage of good episodes increases dramatically in season 2-3-4 and dips a little in season 5.
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>>15896931
Bald Delenn is sexy as fuck.
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>>15897128
It was just starting to get good too
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>>15895448

I suppose here we must discuss the difference between "pulp" sci-fi, which is mostly space opera stuff, like Burroughs, and sci-fi. Pulp stuff is basically adventure or soap opera (often both) in space, while sci-fi is taking a central theory or idea and building characters and a plot around it to explore how that one thing affects society. I think the later would tend to attract liberal minded people more personally, though that's not to say it couldn't attract more conservation authors too.

>>15895903

> Michael O'Hare ended up in a half way house after going off his meds

Fuck, that's sad.

>>15896043

I wouldn't say he got the "most" character development in the show, since I think G'kar and Londo at the very least got more, but I would say he became a lot more than what he started as by the end too, did it in a natural manner and become a much cooler character than I think anyone expected due to it.

>>15897001

I think the first season is the hard part, and that once you're over that season two is almost immediately more engrossing because the writing and budget are a lot better. That's based heavily on my own experience binge-watching the show with a friend years ago though. It took us a month to get through season one, after which we finished seasons two to five in a week or so if I recall.
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>>15899092
>Pulp stuff is basically adventure or soap opera (often both) in space, while sci-fi is taking a central theory or idea and building characters and a plot around it to explore how that one thing affects society
Whic of these would you consider B5?
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>>15899195

Definitely more in a pulp vein, but I was mostly just responding to the immediate last point by saying that there is a distinction between the two and would still hold it true that liberals would find sci-fi attractive and that they might just be writing it because they personally believe in that kind of thing and not because they're bowing to some corporate liberal agenda despite their own personal feelings on the matter.

As someone else pointed out JMS is quite liberal and he purposefully wrote B5 to not hew entirely to his own personal feelings on things like religion, but instead to be more inclusive of all views on the matter. If there were some kind of liberal conspiracy they'd have demanded he be more forthright about it, not less. If I recall in the religious ambassador episode, Sheridan says he's an atheist but calls lots of different denominational leaders regardless.
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>>15899092
What you identify as sci fi is more appropriately the speculative fiction umbrella.

Of which sci fi overlaps, though probably isn't totally bound by because there's quite a bit of overlap with pulp and other forms of fantastic entertainment that takes advantage of speculative material for the purpose of entertainment rather than thought experiment.

I'd argue the real categories are speculative ("what if") and exploitative ("why not"), with sci fi being one of many bridges between the two.


The thing though is that genre isn't story, it's the sandbox from which the story is constructed and presented. Sci fi isn't liberal because it's sci fi, it's because a lot of writers use the genre as an opportunity to talk about shit they want to talk about, and sometimes that shit is liberal talking points.

Sometimes though it's dissident material, I would probably count Soviet sci fi as not really liberal considering its place as one of the few ways to get away with ridiculing the socialist regime.
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>>15899252

Yea, I can see how those labels would be more accurate and I even used speculative fiction to identify what I meant in my first post. I don't, or at least didn't mean to imply that I don't believe any conservative would ever find the genre attractive, just that I imagine liberals would find it more attractive on the whole and that there tends to be more liberal sci-fi of all stripes because of that rather than because of corporate conspiracy in my opinion.
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>>15897448
>and set the whole epic story in motion

It's a pretty slow burn at that point though, just setting up things for later. I could see that being off putting to someone's who's used to faster serial story telling.

That said watching things on your own time (binge or otherwise) is a lot more common that it was even just a few years ago, which would probably help.
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So does anyone know where I can watch this that doesn't require me being blackbeard?
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>>15900400
I've been streaming it at work on Go90.
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>>15900405
Thanks, Been meaning to watch this for the better part of a decade.
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>>15893428
Kill yourself /pol/cuck
Being /pol/ was fun for like, 2 months in 2013. Then I grew the fuck up. It's about time you did too
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>>15893405

No, he was just a mage who attained the Third Magic and followed King Solomon into the next dimension.
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I know nothing aside of series.
So.
How much did Sherigan son fucked up everything? After you know, present thing, happened?
Also why no one talks about best character?
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I watched the first episode of crusade and dropped it. Should I give it another chance?
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>>15901195
It's not really worth the investment since it's unfinished. If you've seen everything else and are desparate for more though, you might as well. It's not bad or anything.
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>>15895651
Zathras was shit. Now Zathras, he was a good character.
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>>15902008
omg you like Zatrhas what a fucking faggot everybody knows Zathras was best boy instead
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>>15893524
Ender's Game
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>>15893823
It also seems to be a federation of individual nation states (USA, Russian Consortium, etc.), not a globalist world state, and characters do show off nationalist pride, which is very far from hard-left scifi
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>>15902247

Whats so conservative about a multicultural team of geniuses protecting a unified Earth from an alien race, with the MC coming to empathize with his enemy and realize it was wrong to destroy them?
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>>15902384
The part where they hide the fact that they're gay for their entire lives or everyone is fucked.
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>>15893634

Starship Troopers, Warhammer 40K, etcetra. Find new planets, exploit the fuck out of them for resources, kill the filthy xenos.
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>>15893524

But it does, doesn't it? Stuff like Warhammer 40,000 sells very well. Starship Troopers is part of the cultural zeitgeist.

Technically speaking, all the iconic stories of science fiction from the past were very conservative.
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>>15903816
To be fair, Starship Troopers might not be that appealing to some conservatives. Racial equality was something of a plot point there, I remember back when it was first released it got some attention when Rico revealed that he spoke Tagalog (i.e was Filipino), because it was done in such an off-hand way that it implied race had entirely ceased to be a consideration in ST world.
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>>15903816
>>15903817

40k spent decades as a parody of itself. Kinda like Judge Dredd. Super serious space marines who fart on each other. Slaves running giant space cannons on pulleys under the frothing instructions of a religious fanatic whose last words, when the airlock is breached and all the air starts rushing out of the room, is to yell at them to "Pray Harder!" The Imperium claims that it is doing everything that it does, all of this awful stuff basically, to protect itself from Chaos. But anyone who looks at the setting for more than a minute realizes that those same practices are what make them so fucking vulnerable to Chaos in the first place.

Its only more recently that people have taken 40k 'seriously'. And even then, I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone who actually considers 40k the sort of future they want to live in.
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>>15904033
That's ideally how it should be though.
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>>15904131
I agree, but I'm just saying a lot of the 'racial purity' types of conservatives wouldn't care for it. In fact, IIRC Heinlein was weird politically...conservatives might like his militarism and anti-Communism, but aside from his racial egalitarianism he had a pretty strong libertine streak. Hasn't there been a lot of far-out (for their time) sex stuff in his other novels, like Stranger in a Strange Land?

>>15904115
I think 40k's going back to being tongue in cheek. Not quite the same way as it was in the 80s and 90s, with jokes and puns everywhere (a primarch named after Lionel Johnson, for instance), but they're clearly having fun with it again, which is nice. Duncan's videos on Warhammer TV are amusing and the Regimental Standard is pretty funny.
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>>15904140

I've seen people note before that Heinlein was very much influenced by his partners, and that he wrote more liberal stuff when dating more liberal women and more conservative stuff if his partner leaned that way. I don't know how true it is, but it wouldn't be surprising. Regardless, Stranger in a Strange Land is definitely a more liberal work, and for more than just casual sex. The main character is raised by aliens and wants to bring the stuff he learned from them that he thinks is good to Earth, starts a new religion (even if he himself has some Jesus imagery) and sees commonality of man regardless of race or gender as a positive thing at the very least.
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>>15905755
I forgot about the technomages. Cool concept.
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>>15906845
That's one of the few moments of any series that have given me chills. I was only slightly irritated when the plot bent over backwards in the next episode to negate some of it.
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>>15906838
Such a shame we got Legend of the Rangers instead of stuff liek that.

Babylon 5 was ahead of it's time but now we'll never get more sadly.
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>>15896062
Nope. It was more of a passion project.
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It's unfortunate that they never got around to the telepath war. I really wanted Garibaldi to finally get even with Chekov.
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>>15909321
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>>15905434
DELET
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>>15893428
Aren't the psychics Jew allegory? That doesn't seem very liberal.
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>>15911293
Garibaldi had a rough couple of seasons thanks to the Psi Corps.
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>>15912647
>Garibaldi had a rough couple of seasons thanks to the alcoholism.
FTFY
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>>15906845
I always liked how nukes were just tools in this series. Powerful ones you don't want to throw around on a whim, sure, but tools nonetheless. A lot of shows treat them as crimes against humanity regardless of how they're used. The only other exceptions that come to mind are Macross and Stargate.

Nice webms, by the way. I didn't realise anyone had done any renders with modern tech.
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>>15895507
Man, that was so weird that Sheridan saw that in the future Londo would get controlled by a space bug and could have probably stopped that race from turning into bad guys, but didn't because he forgot.
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>>15914375
I suspect a large portion of that is because we're on a board for Japanese culture, and they're a bit touchy about that sort of thing. Star Trek was tossing nukes in debris fields in the 60s, I'm pretty sure Dune goes out of its way to show off new tech (lasgun+shield feedback) as the crime against humanity, while atomics as just another part of a House arsenal, Aliens recommends nuclear weapons to be sure, etc.
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for those with x3:tc - http://www.moddb.com/mods/babylon-5-x3-mod/downloads/babylon-5-total-conversion

It's not finished like most mods but its pretty good. Too bad there's no fix for the awful UI that x3 uses.
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>>15914415
>Star Trek was tossing nukes in debris fields in the 60s
Yeah, but that was the sneaky Space Soviet allegory doing it, not the heroes, so it's ok. Fair point, though.
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>>15895734

Londo is the poster child for "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". Almost everything he did, he did with the goal of bettering his people (and if he got a higher station in life out of it, that worked too). He just didn't realize he was making deals with literal devils until it was too late.

Their arc of enemies -> grudging respect -> friendship is probably one of the best I've seen as well.
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>>15896062

It was always the plucky underdog to Trek. When it came you were just about at maximum Trek-saturation.
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>>15916133

In that vein, >>15915196 is one of Londo's best moments. It's everything he ever wanted, the Centauri back on top, strong, trampling their enemies and you can see in his face he hates what he's done even if he can't stop it.
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>>15893428
False flag
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>>15906837
>>15906838
oh shit when did the cg get upgraded!!
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>>15896837
Why the fuck would a Trekkie cry about liberals
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>>15920174
I can't explain it either, but clearly you didn't see the Discovery threads.
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>>15906837

Man, Star Fury's are awesome.
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A direct to video movie made much much later. Lost Tales.
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did anyone else love the shadow designs?
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Everything about their ships is great. They look like some horrible spider thing abomination. Then they REEEE at people in ways beyond their understanding. Also the way they just phase in from hyperspace rather than just opening a window like everyone else.
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I watched the series but haven't watched any movies, where do I start?
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>>15923313
In the Beginning. It's a prequel/sequel that's Emperor Londo telling some kids the story about the Earth Minbari war.
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>>15923313
I don't think there's much in the way of continuity between them, but I'd go In the Beginning -> Thirdspace -> River of Souls -> that Crusade tie-in if you want.
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>>15921674

I just loved the sheer unbridled joy Londo had in that episode while piloting the shuttle down.

> Whoevers flying that shuttle must be an absolute madman.

Smash cut to that fucking grin.
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>>15903817
How is 40k conservative? They straight up depict the Imperium as a rotting shithole, dedicating yourself to a God turns you into a literal zealous monster and the only (arguable) 'good' guys are a bunch of communist Chinese-themed aliens. Now that I think about it 40k kinda parodizes every part of the political spectrum including anarchy.
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>>15923287
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>>15925742
More of this
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>>15923346
>>15923688

In the Beginning was so great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeNBJ5o-b7s

Really don't know how all the rest of the movies ended up so shitty in comparison.
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>>15927772
Thirdspace was alright, though, yeah, doesn't really compare.
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>>15930565
Is this official? I'd always heard the G'Quan's spinal mounts were big fuck-off lasers.
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Huh, all this time, I never realized my Micro Machines model was upsidedown.
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I wonder how much Mass Effect was inspired from Babylon 5.
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>>15935640
looked it up on google and apparently that's a thing
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>>15893524oh, so Hienlien, Neal Stephenson, Orson Scott Card, and dozens of others don't exist?
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>>15935806
No one is going to remember Jerry Pournelle and this makes me sad. Mote in God's Eye alone is a SF master work.
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>>15935808
Always liked the Vree ship's rapid fire guns.
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>>15936069
ayy
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>>15935806
>Orson Scott Card
whatever happened with Ender's Bottom Bitch's Super Fetus Quest, anyway
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNshIwUnaXk
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>>15893462

Get out. Get your shit off this board and over to tinfoil bitching on /pol/.
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>>15936089
I think he got bored of that storyline and forgot about it. The last story I read in that series was a prequel, and it was mostly about a bunch of jackasses in a space station doing nothing while a bugger ship slowly approached them without ever actually getting there by the end of the book. It was at roughly this point that I decided OSC had become a hack.
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>>15936830
Neat. Can't say I remember that scene with a massive Minbari fleet coming in through multiple jump points.
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>>15937767
this one is also neat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yewoRRxW1Kw
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>You will never captain an Omega class destroyer.
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>>15925742
That filename.

"IN FIRE."
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>>15940060
nice
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This thread is comfy after the /pol/tard rant.
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>>15943365
Typical /m/. If it can survive the shitposting, and create actual discussion, it creates comfy
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>>15945224
so comfy
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Shadows and Vorlon ships would be so cool with modern CGI.
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>>15945484
That's a nice new take on the Brakiri aesthetic.
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>>15945499
I just can't have any desire for a reboot of a beloved sci-fi series after Discovery and Space Jam.
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>>15945499

> EVERYTHING would be so cool with modern CGI

Fixed that for you. It's too bad there will never be a remaster of this. I'd kill for an HD upgrade.
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>>15949154
Earthforce really had the best look.

Starfury
Omega Class Desstroyer
Warlock Class Destroyer.
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>>15949210
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>>15949464
It's a real shame we so little of the Warlock class.
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I've just been watching some clips of G'Kar and Londo on Youtube, and the bits about G'Kar becoming enlightened and a religious figure made me realize it's extra sad that the Narn died out as race at some point in the thousand years after the show, since part of G'Kar's arc was wanting to save his race from that path of destruction. I liked the fact the ending had that bitter-sweet note that multiple races that had import in the show (the Centauri and the Narn) died out, probably at each other's hands, but it never really clicked with me till now that this meant G'Kar failed.
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>>15949615
Well at least humanity made it, and is probably passing down what they learned to some younger species.
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>>15949620

Let's just hope they aren't following the Vorlons (and Shadows) foot steps, hiding their intention from younger species while trying to shape them and using a massive war to try and force those species in to a specific path.
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>>15949628
It'll probably be fine.
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>>15949615
Some must be sacrificed if all are to be saved.
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>>15949628

The fact they're using encounter suits at all doesn't bode well really, since it means they're trying to interact with younger species while maintaining a mystique in the same way the Vorlons were. They even inhabit the Vorlon home planet if I recall.
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>>15949706
Maybe there's drawbacks to being energy. If I remember right after Kosh left his suit to save Sheridan he needed to rest because everyone seeing him exhausted him.
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>>15949716
I think that was being recognised by everyone rather than just being seen.
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The more I read about the future of Babylon 5's setting the worse it gets. I haven't found any direct sources, so I can't definitely verify these answers, but apparently JMS has been questioned on the future events and his responses were that the Sun went nova because some other race opened multiple gateways within it to drain it's mass, so humans have migrated to and now live on the Vorlon home planet (as well as using encounter suits). They basically fill the same role as Vorlons and Shadows did in the show, trying to guide younger races but the humans are the Shadow's analogue (representing chaos), despite being closer to the Vorlons in show, using their tech and living on their homeworld, while the Mimbari represent order as the Vorlon analogue.

Which is one of the things I find depressing, since while JMS says they do so while recalling the lessons of the war in the show, I'm not really sure how those two things are simultaneously possible. The Vorlon and Shadows forcing younger races in to a war by tantalizing them with glimpses of power and tempting them with mysterious questions is presented in show as being a folly on those races part, with the other older races one by one leaving them until only Lorien remained, and he was waiting for someone to come along and break them out of the cycle. How can humans and Mimbari be repeating that cycle but doing so in a way that's somehow good? JMS also apparently said that the humans have no need to go beyond the stars like other First Ones (including the Shadows and Vorlons) did in the end, because what'd be the point?
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>>15950424


He also doesn't think the Centauri and Narn died out, they just never evolved to the level of First Ones. Which I don't like either. It's nice the Narn survived, but that they were unable to evolve in to First One simply because of Shadow tampering with their genetics is silly, and it kind of invalidates one of the things I liked about the future in that it implied some people simply didn't survive because their nature caught up with them and humans did because they learned from the past and moved on eventually.
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>>15950425
It's because the Narn couldn't move on from dumb religion and become woke atheists like humans.
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>>15893405
>Was he King Arthur?
No, that was the one guy from the filler episode.
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>>15894052
S5 was just a clusterfuck in general.
>no Ivanova
WHY
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>>15951095
Probably tired of being shot by tribbles.
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>>15896476
GREEN
PURPLE

ivanova is best waifu
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>>15949716
Anyone else kind of feel sorry for Sinclair? I mean, his great destiny was to end up as nothing more than a Vorlon puppet. Sure he won his Shadow War, but all that did was end that particular cycle of Vorlon-Shadow fuckery. Sure he reshaped Minbari society, but that was probably based on guidelines he got from the Vorlons. I wonder if he ever even realized how much of a pawn he was.
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>>15951503
He did basically avert the genocide of his people that way. Sinclair seems like the kind of guy that'd be okay with being a pawn if he was able to accomplish something like that.
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>>15951503
He had a hard life.
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I know he was a twat, but I knew shit was going to get good when this guy showed up.
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>>15952800
I like when he and Kosh ran into each other in a hallway and Kosh told him to leave angrily.
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>>15952856
Fuck right that was so cool. Why was Kosh so cool?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3QP2UsgybA
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>>15952902
He was a man of few words, and his manner of speaking makes everything he says seem important. Even when he just says "yes."

>The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
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>>15952920
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAuJ35wDkgM
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>>15951095
because her agent was a jerk.

lockely was just a stand-in for ivanova who would have fucked byron.
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>>15950424
>despite being closer to the Vorlons in show

But they weren't. The minbari are closer to the Vorlons and continue the Rangers as a force against the Shadows. The majority of humans under the EA fall fall under the influence of the Shadows and either sit out the fight or side with the Shadows.
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>>15951095
S5 had more bad episodes than good too. In fact, it seems that everything after S4 was shit probably because the writer just didn't have the heart in him to do another epic after getting dicked around by the execs. On rewatch, I think I'm going to stop at S4.
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>>15954444

If I remember right, they ended up having to make sure that they had all the plotlines wrapped up by S4, just in case S5 didn't happen. Kind of left everything in S5 out of whack. The fact that they started a whole bunch of plotlines in S5, then rushed for an ending to what they started made things a bit worse. (And Sheridan & Lochley - c'mon...)
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>>15901192
In the ostensibly canon spin-off books, basically nothing bad happens because of the Keeper for Sheridan's son. By the time that future scene happens where Vir finds Londo and G'Kar dead, Vir more or less has the situation under control. As emperor, Vir kills the Drakh linked to David Sheridan's Keeper, which kills the Keeper as well.
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>>15955300
huh, well that's underwhelming answer to a question I've been wondering sometimes for years now
thanks for info
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>>15906830
>>15906833
>>15906837
>>15906838
>>15906845

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeNBJ5o-b7s

The War. The humans, I think, knew they were doomed.

Where another race would surrender to despair, the humans fought back with greater strength.

They made the Minbari fight for every inch of space.

In my life, I have never seen anything like it; They would weep, they would pray, they would say goodbye to their loved ones, and then throw themselves without fear or hesitation at the very face of death itself, never surrendering. No one who saw them fighting against the inevitable could help but be moved to tears by their courage. Their stubborn nobility.

When they ran out of ships, they used guns, when they ran out guns they used knives and sticks and bare hands.

They were magnificent. I only hope that when it is my time, I may die with half as much dignity as I saw in their eyes in the end. They did this for two years they never ran out of courage but in the end, they ran out of time.

>Based fucking londo, I couldn't have been more than 7 years old when I was watching this film on VHS with my dad.

Is it any wonder I grew up into /tg/ and HFY?
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>>15893405
But he's not Saji crossroad
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>>15957899
Given the Orientalist influences behind the Minbari, do you reckon there were any Minbar-weebs in the B5 universe?
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>>15957924

What do you think Sheridan was?
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>>15957924
>do you reckon there were any Minbar-weebs

Remember the new episode where some humans went Centauraboo after first contact and were psychoanalyzing it as a way to rationalize war with B5.
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>>15957926
More like Sinclair, that's pretty much exactly what he is in the City of Sorrows novel, and even becomes trans-species
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>>15957924
Remember what Vir was like when he got posted as ambassador to Minbar?
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>>15958058
To be fair, he kinda is THE Minbari. It's like an alien finding out he's the (re/pre/current?)incarnation of Jesus
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I never thought you were a COWARD, G'Kar. We suffered and died during their occupation. Where were you? What have you endured?
What have I endured?
>G'kar just walks off laughing like a madman.
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>>15954743

Yea, from what I remember the show was basically told to wrap at season 4 because there wouldn't be a season 5, and they had to cram two seasons worth of plot in to season 4 to wrap up the whole Shadow/Vorlon war thing as the show finale. Then they were given one more season and had to essentially make up a whole new story from the remains of the old's hanging plot threads. Something that had to be done in one season and written in much more of a crunch than the years of planning JMS had for the previous stuff.

He had to re-write a bunch of stuff already after a hotel lost all of his notes for the show during a con at one point, but he still had at least some idea of where he was going with major parts of the show after that happened. With this new season he had no idea where he wanted to go, what to foreshadow etc, so it's no surprise it wasn't as good.
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>mfw
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This game would have been great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=wCTyQAB1NPo
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>>15963979
Here try this
https://archive.org/details/Babylon5IveFoundHer
Its a fan mad game with true Newtonian physics.
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Best Vir moment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0n2vurSBIQ
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>>15965370
naturally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47DfQcHMYLY
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>>15966507

It's not as cinematic or memetic, but I liked the scene revealing that Vir was the insider helping Narn escape through an underground network. It's the moment that really recontextualizes Vir from being a goofy sidekick to the morally stronger and more mature of the two. The fact that Londo recognises Vir's strength of character and doesn't betray him but respects him more because of it helps strengthen Londo's character too.
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>>15969490
>Abrahamo Lincolni
That was fucking great.
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>>15965370
For some reason I really like the scene where Vir and Lennier share a drink.
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>>15970968
Not the one your thinking of bu they had a couple moments that were great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtF_PCAsN2U
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This was posted on /k/: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHpMAubwfQg
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>>15971413
I wish Crusade had been good.




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