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Had Tomino already gone senile by 1985?
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>>15940035
It's not betrayal if you planned to do it from the start
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Char never actually betrayed anyone, though. Only Casval did.
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>>15940048

Uh, yeah it is. The person you fooled still feels betrayed, which makes it a betrayal.
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Char never betrayed anyone, but he WAS betrayed by others.

There's the difference.
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>>15940035
This is honestly one of my favorite lines in the entire series. Char is deluded and believing his own lies, and it culminates in this moment where you as the viewer are expected to fully think "Man he's really full of shit."
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>>15940072

Garma betrayed Char?
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>>15940105
He didn't but Char convinced himself that Garma's death would harm the other Zabis.
>blame this on the misfortune of your birth
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>>15940195

So what? That doesn't make it not betrayal.
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>>15940035
Who would have guessed that a man with a fake name would lie ? Crazy Tomino.
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>>15940048
"I didn't betray shit, Tony, I was a cop from the start, I was just doin my job!"
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>>15940217
>Garma betrayed Char?
>He didn't
>So what? That doesn't make it not betrayal.
???
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>>15940303

> Char never betrayed anyone
> So Garma betrayed him?
> No, but he acted against Garma to hurt his family
> That doesn't make his actions not betrayal

I'm not sure how that flow of conversation is confusing, but hopefully that clarifies matters for you.
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>>15940035
It's not betrayal if you were never on their side
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>>15940314

Yes, it is. Betrayal does not mean "I wasn't with you", it means "I acted against your trust". Regardless of your real intentions if you act in a way that harms someone who trusts you it's still a betrayal.
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>>15940325
You seem to be under the impression Char isn't deluded and mentally damaged
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>>15940328

I wasn't arguing that he wasn't, just that the argument that he didn't betray him because of intention does t have any merit.
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>>15940035
The best and more interesting thing is that Char probably knows that what he is saying is full of bullshit, but he keeps deluding himself and excusing his actions with that bullshit.
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>>15940337
man are you fucking serious?
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>>15940417

Are you? Making the argument with no context when plenty of people have argued it as actually meaning that before is not same as saying that Char believed it wasn't a betrayal because he was purposefully twisting or ignoring the meaning to suit his own ends and justify his actions.
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>>15940403
Moron Casval was the one who caused Garma's death. Char did nothing wrong
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>>15940035
NEWS FLASH:
Casval lies A LOT.
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>>15940419
waht
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>>15940425

What what? What are you even giving out about or arguing?
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>>15940423
And they eat his shit.
I can relate.
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>>15940425
what an i giving out?

i don't have any flyers im afraid but if you use a google search it might help you find some?
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>>15940436

I have no idea what you're even on about, assuming you meant to reply to >>15940429. What do you want to know if I'm serious about?
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HE IS A GOOD BOY DINDU NUFFIN
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Even though I know that Char is a big charlatan I still find him really admiring.
Does anyone feel the same?
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>>15940501
*admirable
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>>15940035
he betrayed perspective with that shitty gun drawing
seriously looks like a 5 year old drew it. Was Hasegawa on the staff for Zeta Gundam?
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>>15940035
He is on a theater stage when he says that. The visual symbolism can't be more obvious.
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>>15941012
>didn't watch the show
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>>15941012
He isn't. This is from episode 33
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>>15941012
Like >>15941025 says, it's in episode 33.
They aren't in a theater, they are in a Gwazine.
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>>15941012
>>15941025
and if the theatre stage is supposed to mean that char was lying the entire time, why doesn't that mean kamille was also lying since he was on the stage next to char?
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>>15941040
>>15941044
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>>15941052
Nope, I'm talking about the theatre scene in episode 50. kamille isn't even with char during that part of episode 33
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>>15940048
>Everything-wrong-with-Char's-logic the Post
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>>15940035
It's true that Char is messed in the head, but in the end he was right about everything.
All the things he does are excused even if he lies, kills or betrays people he did nothing wrong.
He should have won and dropped Axis on Earth.
My hero.
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The whole fucking point of this scene, which will forever be missed by people with asperger's, is that there is a difference between these two ideas that they are implicity discussing. Haman is implicitly asking why his heart changed, and Char is stating that his heart has always been in the exact same place the whole time. He didn't switch sides just because he's some kind of coward, or greedy. This isn't about self-preservation or conversion to and fro some ideology. There was never a change. He has always been true to himself, he has always had the exact same conviction, the exact same mission and goal and intention, and every disgusting sociopathic thing that Char has ever done has been 100% internally consistent with the logic of that mission.

This is in direct contrast to a character like Reccoa, who switches teams because of her feelings and emotional development. This is seen as flawed, human, and in Tomino's words it's woman stuff. She puts herself as top priority. Char instead is more a force than a man, he has put vengeance above himself, to the point where his own personhood/humanity is secondary to that mission. But of course deep down, it's because he's broken.
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>>15941575
None of that means that Char is correct in saying that he "never betrayed anyone."
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>>15941586
I just gave you all of the subtext to that statement, so yes it does change it. If you choose to ignore that in favor of taking it completely literally in reference to the dictionary definition of betrayal, I guess that's your prerogative, and probably an indicator that you are on the autism spectrum
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>Lalah could have been a mother to me!
>False. Lalah was younger than Char, so it would be literally impossible for her to be his mother. God, Char is such a fucking idiot right guys?

that's this fucking thread, every fucking time, forever
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>>15940067
>Implying Char cares about that
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>>15941575
True, he just changes the priority of his goal.
That's why Char Aznable is the best and most memorable Gundam since he simply never stops, he is a man that changes the gears of story.
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>>15941615
*history
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>>15940067

people can't feel betrayed if they are dead
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>>15941586
Correct in what sense? You're arguing the standard definition of the English word 'betrayal' as concerns the English translation of a single line out of a scene in a Japanese kids show. Ignoring the context in which it was said, let alone the nuance in which that word may be used in English, let alone the possible nuances of the original Japanese statement.
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>>15941593
>yes it does change it.

No, it doesn't. If he insisted on being true to his end goals, he would've just said that. Instead, he comes up with his own definition of what constitutes betrayal which grossly incorrect.
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how many times are we going to have this thread
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>>15943285
We have never even once had this thread, anon.




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