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Is it canon
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It's High Mega Canon.
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>>16650962
Yes. It is directly referenced in both Char's Counterattack and Unicorn, and considering how successful those works were I doubt Sunrise would make THOSE non-canon.
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>>16650962
Yes.
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The real question is "Is Zeta cannon?"
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>>16650962
Its Zeta Episodes 51 - 97, why the hell wouldn't it be canon?
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>>16651054
Because the Zeta movie ended without Kamile getting turned retarded.
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>>16651118
Forgot your trip Black Knight.
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>>16651054
>>16651118
>>16651126
Huh? I'm just saying the common reason.

It's a stupid reason, anthology movies are just summaries, differences from the broadcast show don't change the actual canon.

But that's the reason people give.

Also I honestly like ZZ better, the silly shit is actually fun, and by pacing out the deaths in the second half better they feel more poignant with enough time to grieve.
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>>16650962
Is it wrong that I actually really want to see a ZZ dub?
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>>16651249
How about a compilation movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn12rH7A-y4
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>>16651249
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kSXux3S6hY4
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>>16651249
>>16651251
>>16651254
Okay I walked right into that. I even knew it existed.

I mean one where people are tying to sound like the official voices tradition established for the reoccurring characters (Mostly Captain Bright) and Judau doesn't sound like some sorta Blast Hardcheese action man.
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>>16651118
>movie
Who the hell cares about those?

CCA was crap, F91 was a waste, Trailblazer was balls to the wall retardation, EW was just dumb.

Then there's the compilation of tv series movies. Worse than all of the above. Horrendous pacing, tons of good stuff cut, in Zeta's case - sloppy swapping between old/new animation.

Consider the following: movies suck
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>>16651266
if they had kept the same cast through all the Bright And His Gang shows I'd be down for it, but Zeta having the different cast makes it difficult for me to give many fucks about the UC dubs outside of chuckling at Death Note dubs
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>>16651273
I disagree about most of the standalone movies.

I at least liked them and F91 only seemed like a waste in that it never got picked up for a full series.

Never watched Trailblazer, is that the 00 one with the AYYYYYs?

EW only really suffered from the same issues as Wing itself, but the Serpent was a great grunt without being Beamshield OP, and we got to see more grunt action with Heero and Duo in space Leos.

>>16651288
The MSG/CC Bright and the Zeta Bright don't sound TOO different. The Unicorn Bright also at least tried for the same voice too.

Their Chars are pretty different though, right down to how they pronounce Titans.

The Brad Swaile and Matthew Erickson managed to sound pretty alike too.
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>>16651288
>>16651302
https://youtu.be/7xiN4A4fXS4

Huh, just found a video with MSG/CC amuro and Zeta Amuro so they did direct the VA from Zeta to voicematch the original.

(Actual panel starts 2/3 minutes in.)
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This fucking board makes me wish anyone who uses the word canon, cares about what's canon, or memes about shit being canon were nuked to shit.
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>>16651326
>so they did direct the VA from Zeta to voicematch the original.
that's neat
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Can someone please elaborate how ZZ actually is? Is it as necessary as Zeta? And what exactly is "bad" about it; even if it has tonal and character issues if it's still similar to its predecessor then it wouldn't actually be bad, right?
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>>16651434
The first several episodes are very silly (Other than Yazan murdering the Argama's helmsman from Zeta.)

Everyone's hilariously incompetent.

The middle's actually quite interesting with some Saharan locals that see the Feddies as a european colonial style intruder playing the part of the third faction.

It starts to get dark a bit after that and people start dying, young ones at that.
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>>16651434
ZZ is excellent once you make it past the first 17 episodes of literally nothing of importance happening. It's just a bunch of random comedy skits at first much to Bright's chagrin and clashes really hard with Zeta's grimdark ending as a result. But the rest of the show really is good. The entire point of ZZ is basically to get rid of Zeta's only remaining antagonist, Haman, and hint at Char's return in CCA with Sayla's cameo.
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>>16651482
I feel like I needed ZZ's chill opener as a detox after Zeta's craziness.

(Also Fa had matured so much going into ZZ that I legit forgot Lt Emma had died and had a Mandella effect of her starring in ZZ.)
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>>16651482
>>16651468
For the most part this is making me think that its pratically the same quality as zeta during the second half. Am I correct?
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>>16651501
Honestly, I'm a weirdo I actually like it better.
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>>16651496
The problem is the the beginning drags on for way too fucking long. I don't mind a resting period, but it shouldn't take god damn 17 episodes.
>>16651501
More or less, yeah. Judau is a pretty swell and straightforward guy which differentiates him for Amuro and Kamille very nicely. ZZ also has one of the few Cyber Newtypes I actually give a damn about, Puru.
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>>16651547
Don't you mean Twelve (Or more?) of the few Cyber Newtypes you actually give a damn about?
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>>16651560
Puru Two is also great. I'm just lumping them all together as a single Puru. Marida Cruz is also nice, but right now we're talking about ZZ—not Unicorn.
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>>16651587
Fair, I just felt bad For all of them, even the ones not given characterization.
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>>16651501
No. Comparing Zeta and ZZ is foolish. They aren't anywhere near the same level of quality. And I don't hate ZZ, not at all, it's just a fucking disaster of a series.

The second half is improved, yes, but then, that's relative to the first half. If you ask me, ZZ just has a very boring narrative. The AEUG has basically completely collapsed. The Federation is bending the knee. Neo Zeon is almost completely unopposed, except for the Argama which is barely hanging on. Fortunately for the Argama, half of Neo Zeon's pilots are insane chucklefucks. Without giving too much away, the ending turns out to be immensely unsatisfying - probably because Tomino got the go-ahead for CCA halfway through ZZ's production and so he suddenly had to start taking the show seriously. It's strange to see these ridiculous lunatics suddenly being taken seriously in the latter half of the series, and at points it just gets laughably dark, not unlike Victory.

I'd say to definitely still watch it, but go in with an open mind and no expectations. Don't expect it to be similar to Zeta.
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>>16651657
>not unlike Victory
Katejina being indoctrinated was great, though.
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>>16651482
You can presume Haman died at the end of Zeta if you don't watch ZZ. She's in an explosion and isn't seen after that. The only reason you presume she's still alive is because you know she's still alive in ZZ.

It's like when Char head-shots Kycilia and then there's a big explosion at the end of 0079. You can presume he dies off-screen in that scene, but it's off-screen so they were able to bring him back in Zeta.
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The first 17 episodes of ZZ is what later makes the remaining episodes so good, it's all character development,
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>>16651673
By that same logic, Char also appeared to die at the end of Zeta. Gundam isn't a complicated show; it's always made characters deaths explicit. If it doesn't show their cockpit vaporizing or getting impaled by a beam saber, they're probably still alive.
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>>16651434
It's a waste of time since it was supposed to see Char come back at the end and duke it out with Haman. But Char's Counter Attack got greenlit so Tomino had to use NOT Char to fight Haman and the entire series was just one giant filler for the real story of Gundam, Amuro verses Char.
And it's not canon
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>>16651657
I would not quite call it Victory dark but it does get about as many kills as Zeta and most of them are kids, even younger than Katz so it hits hard.
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>>16651657
>The AEUG has basically completely collapsed. The Federation is bending the knee. Neo Zeon is almost completely unopposed, except for the Argama which is barely hanging on.
It sorta-kinda makes sense, the Feddies had their command structure made entirely subordinate to the Titans who probably purged a lot of their other officers, then the Titans lost fleet after fleet to Axis and the AEUG using the Gryps laser. And the AEUG was never huge and lost their main fleet HOLDING the Gryps laser long enough to fire it twice.

Haman was probably the only one with an organized navy after that huge catastrophe.
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>>16651694
Turn A's one of the few that does that with a named character, although given he and his mobile suit are buried alive in a mountain right before it gets nuked, it's a safe assumption.
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>>16650971
Cheeky bastard
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>>16651751
If the cockpit was truly sealed then the pilot's corpse or at least his bones would still be there, encased inside the Turn A's pilot suit.
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Maybe we'll get a ZZ movie comp where Kamille is a non-wheelchair-bound supporting character to fix this continuity issue.
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Lmao Titans
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>>16650962
Yes
>>16650971
FPBP
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>>16650962
I call it Zee Zee
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>>16651744
Yes, and as a result, none of the fun inter-faction scheming is present, because there's effectively only one faction left, and they just wipe themselves out.
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>>16651673
>The only reason you presume she's still alive is because you know she's still alive in ZZ.
She has a scene after the explosion.
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>>16651657

> Without giving too much away, the ending turns out to be immensely unsatisfying - probably because Tomino got the go-ahead for CCA halfway through ZZ's production and so he suddenly had to start taking the show seriously.

I'd actually say it's the opposite, and that it was the other writers and staff involved deciding to make things more serious because Tomino was no longer around as much given that he was busy on Char's Counterattack. That's just a theory though either way.

>>16651673

Haman has a scene post explosion talking about how Char could have lived if he'd just followed her or something.

>>16651697

> the real story of Gundam, Amuro versus Char

So Zeta isn't canon? Got it.

>>16651841

I think you're talking about Gym (who was the Turn-X's pilot, not the Turn-A) but >>16651751 seems to be talking about Sochie's bridegroom, Gavane Gooney; who got trapped in a crevice of a mountain cycle after multiple nukes drop down through it and was basically sitting on them when they exploded. He wasn't wearing a sealed pilot suit, since he was only fighting in an open environment with atmosphere (i.e. Earth) and the entire Borjarnon was annihilated anyway, given it would only have been a few meters from a nuclear explosion.
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>>16651744
Titans had some ships remaining after Gryps.
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>>16652552
>be a Titans pilot
>get your colony laser hijacked and watch your entire fleet get vaporized, presuming you weren't too
>Federation starts prosecuting and/or persecuting those of you who come back
>the only people not hostile to you now are the new Neo Zeon movement, your sworn enemies
Being a member of the Titans is suffering.
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>>16650962
I hope not its not very interesting or good. I also do not enjoy the main gundam design looks messy and over the top in a very unpleasing way.
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>>16652650
It's not all doom and gloom. Titans got one of the nicest RGM-79 variants, after all.
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>>16652659
They also had sexy hizacks.
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>>16651434
Its over the top silly and takes a shit all over Fa's character arc (although she gets some nice scenes towards the end I hear) so I had no interest to watch past episode 6 where a WACKY JUNKER fight Judah the very bland kamille replacement.
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ZZ is the particians choice
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>>16652396
Glemy did nothing wrong
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Early ZZ is pretty good though. I enjoy the Shangri-la episodes, its rare a UC series stays within the same setting for more than an episode or two. Felt like they explored colony life better there than in any other series to be honest. And there's the great big "fuck yeah" moment when they do finally ship out of there. It also worked wonders for the ZZ crews character development. I wouldn't say Zeta's team didn't have any, but ZZ's was much more natural.
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>>16651673
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>>16650962
Axis zeon win the war, earth is a better place.

char is put to death.
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>>16653333
Quads confirm
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>>16652552
I figure said remnants are probably closer to the Delaz fleet, ironic.palpatine
>>16652396
Fair, though some of the double crosses in Zeta felt sorta rushed.
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>>16653324
Clearly a newtype ghost lamenting the fact that Char decided to stay for CCA.
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>>16653324
>guy she's been pining for for ages decides to kill himself (as far as she knows) rather than join her
>she's unhappy about it but quickly regains her composure
Why did ZZ have to fuck her up so badly?
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>>16653463
>Why did ZZ have to fuck her up so badly?
What are you talking about?
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>>16653480
>Haman, the scheming leader of Axis, who successfully played both the AEUG and Titans and paved the way for Neo Zeon to rule unopposed
>obsesses over a random kid to the point of dressing up and infiltrating the enemy ship just for the sake of talking to him instead of actually bothering to manage her retinue of insane motherfuckers and scheming motherfuckers
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>>16653485
Did you miss the part when Judau's raw newtype swag caused Haman to soil herself? After that, it was all over. Hell, Kamille very nearly did the same to her previously. Perhaps, just perhaps she's always been weak-willed?
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>>16653742
Sadly no, I was witness to all of the ways in which ZZ made Haman into a joke.
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>>16653988
For all her cleverness and offensive newtype abilities she really was pretty messed up by Camille's mind-meld, so her Psi-defense was really not all that strong. (Or at least not strong against genuinely good people, she seemed to fend off Pap-swab easily enough.)
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>>16650962
I fucking hate this faggot so fucking much.
I've been wanting to watch L-Gaim for quite a while but the fact that the MC looks so much like this dumb chucklefuck prevents me from doing so, just can't deal with it.
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>>16651273
>Trailblazer was balls to the wall retardation
muh aliens who are just green humans who speak English
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>>16651657
imagine if they wrote in loyal officers on haman's side instead of having the zeon characters with focus be two batshit insane cyber newtypes and glemy
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>>16654078
Then they would have also needed to give the AEUG more ships/suits and that's expensive.
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>>16654094
number of protagonists are not as important as number of antagonists in a robot anime
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Can we agree that the Zeta is an amazing design? As well as less cluttered than the ZZ?
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>>16654096
No, I mean giving Axis officers worth a damn on top of their superior forces they'd need to animate more allies to make the Argama/Nahel Argama's survival make sense.
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>>16654103
Yeah, all the ZZ has that I like even a little more than the Zeta is the missile pods.
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>>16651251
>>16651254
>Had to post on some shitty indian anime forum for like a month to get these clips

Hope it was worth it. Those people are fucking weird. I was under the assumption he had more full episodes of it. Oh well
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>>16650962
why did tomino make such a good series with zeta and then completely lose his mind at the beginning of zz gundam!! what a fucking asshole
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ZZ ANT when?
Oh and this time fully new animation you shit heads at Sunrise.
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>>16654207
I can't tell if you're serious about what you're expressing but a little overzealous in doing so or just attempting to make some sort of strawman-zeta-fan ironic shitpost.
The !! are what's got me on the fence here.

Also, I really, really hope Sentai revisits the BP subs when they actually release it.
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>>16654223
the start of zz gundam sucked, yazan became a shit character and most of the neo zeon characters are complete idiots@@ the tension was completely lost from the ending of zeta gundam

tomino managed to unfuck the series half way but it still sucked
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>>16653988

Next time actually finish a series.
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>>16650971
This.
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>>16650962
char in zete "let's save the earth"
char in char counter attack "fuck the earth"

what happend to him in zz?
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>>16651016
yes so is zz
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>>16654292
He was offscreen during it.
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>>16654292
Where is that image from?
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More like Gundam ZZZZZ Quattro even gasps in the intro
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>>16653742
>>16654026

I think you should watch that scene again, because that's not a particularly good summary of what happened. For a start, whatever happened wasn't intentional on Kamille's part; so saying it was Kamille's psi-attack of any kind overwhelming Haman's defenses is wrong. It appears to be an inadvertent effect of two Newtypes in bio-sensor equipped units feeling strong emotions in close proximity to each other. Kind of like the psycofield is produced if the two Newtypes are in psyco-frame equipped units.

Secondly, Haman doesn't even come close to reacting the same to what happened with Kamille as she did with Judau. Nor did it in any way mess her up; the opposite even. She reacts with anger and nearly kills Kamille. If it wasn't for the intervention of Katz and then Fa a minute later she'd probably have killed him.
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>>16650962
it's the only canon Gundam show
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>>16654338
Gihren's Greed Axis no Kyoi V PS2
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>>16654045
He was a big guy
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>>16654250
It's because of ZZ that I know everybody competent in Neo Zeon turns against her, she ends up getting completely blown the fuck out by the object of her obsession, and decides to kill herself in the face of overwhelming odds. Zeta Haman Karn wasn't such a thoughtless pussy.
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>>16650962
Haman is dead in CCA and beyond so clearly. She deserved better
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>>16654294
Zeta was retconned.
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>>16655076
No it wasn't.
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>>16651434
Its what we in the "industry" call comfy
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>>16652650
Well they managed to destroy the old Argama which was handed to Karaba by going kamikaze on it with a ZSSA.
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ZZ is just the hallucinogenic dream Kamille after having his brain fried. The first episode of ZZ is so haphazard and full of clip shows because he's still forming that reality together in his mind.
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>>16655744

> Kamille's hallucinogenic dream is for Quattro to literally disappear without explanation from AEUG

Guess he was harboring a lot of resentment.
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>>16655076
zzfags at it again
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>>16655311
what is that MS?
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>>16655943
He said it in the post, it's a Zssa.
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>>16655930
>Yazan is completely incompetent and jobs to a mobile suit piloted by somebody who can't pilot a mobile suit
>Haman is feeble and runs scared from the enemy pilot and eventually kills herself
>Neo Zeon is totally incompetent and eventually kills itself
It makes sense.
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>>16654292
He was out in space too long and the lack of oxygen made him end up like Amuro's dad did
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>>16655744
>>16656019
ZZ ANT turns it into a drunken dream after celebrating the Titan's defeat I assume.
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>>16655955
sorry and thanks
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>>16650962
we know for sure that it's not anime
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>>16650971
top kek
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It's weird, ZZ is one of the few shows where I actually apend rime imagining a hypothetical good end. Mostly because it's hilarious to try to imagine Judau attempting to take care of Leina and over a dozen Purus.
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>>16650962
It's canon, it's just not anime.
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>>16652457
>So Zeta isn't canon? Got it.
Apparently you missed the first and second movie where Amuro and Char were together.
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>>16657612

> working together
> versus
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>>16656019
Yazan was surprisingly competent in a freaking construction MS given how Neo-Zeon in general did against the main cast.
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>>16650962
ZZ is reality.
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>>16657931
I'd pay money to put him in even an old Zaku II to fight jewdough.
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He did nothing wrong
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Side story stretching from Zeta to ZZ when?
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>>16658292

That's a Cattle, not a Geze and Yazan wasn't in either of the units in that gif.
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>>16657304
>Dozen Purus running around
Need art of this, or a comic.
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>>16658857

Here's Yazan in a Geze getting shafted by Judau, using the secret technique Kamille invented: watermelon slice.
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>>16654045
1. Daba doesn't look anything like Judau; he doesn't even have the same character designer.
2. He doesn't act anything like Judau either.
3. That's the dumbest reason I've ever heard for not watching a show. Go and watch the first three episodes right now, nigger.
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>>16650962
>Is ZZ canon
Worst /m/ forced meme ever Black Knight
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Yes
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>>16659471
>replies to the thread from a day before it was started
Incredible!
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>>16659478
That's the power of... the high mega canon
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>>16659271
>Sunrise only considers anime to be canon
>ZZ isn't anime so it isn't canon
It's an easy question
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>>16650971
noice
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Rewatching ZZ after marathoning through 0083 and Zeta.

The boiling/cavitation effects for the aquatic battle are really on point.
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>>16661727
Oh wow, I forgot the part where Judau used the bubbles as a shield to detonate torpedoes early.
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>>16654235
Weirdly I think the early episodes of ZZ are some of the show's best. Admittedly the ludicrously high animation quality has a lot to do with it, but with time I've managed to accept those early ZZ episodes for their entirely different tonal context (the crazy high animation quality also helps)... but then Chara shows up and after that the only good episodes are some with the Zeon remnants and the Dublin arc. The rest is a complete wreck of plot and tone that does absolutely nothing for me.
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>>16662525
Personally I liked the Dakar arc up until the hut got destroyed.
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>>16661734

That's actually pretty neat now that you point it out.
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if you watch robot fight cartoons for the robot fights ZZ has a lot going for it
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ZZ is pure kino
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is it rare for people to like ZZ and Zeta? I'm watching ZZ after Zeta and it's just fine, after Leina blows up I'm even starting to like it, my only major complaint is Tomino attempting humor is lackluster compared to his unintentional humor and for the first 20 episodes nothing happened
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>>16664051
You're either a Zetafag, a ZZfag or you hate both of them. You're not allowed to like both.
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>>16651657
I disagree, but then again, I rate zeta as the worst one of the first three gundams.

ZZ does so many things well that Zeta didn't for me, and saying that it's the 'second half' which is improved is a hyperbole, its around 50 episodes and it gets good from around episode 14~ which is when Leena gets kidnapped.
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>>16658758
Glemy was based. Started almost as dumb as rose-retard and eventually developed into someone ambitious and powerful enough to maybe go against Haman, all while keeping his chilvary.

Shit, give the guy a mask and some more development and he'd become a Char.
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>>16658758
living the dream
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>>16665807
Because he literally got pasted over a character arc that was supposed to be done by Char.

>>16663592
Yeah, it's a neat little detail of physics that they remembered and turned into a cool trick.
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>>16664051
I like both, with a slight preference for Zeta due to soundtrack and emotional ending
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>>16664051
This is /m/ you're not allowed to like multiple things.
I like both just prefer Zeta.
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>>16664051
>>16665869
I like both overall, but they both get too dark/emotional for me.
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>>16665864

I made another version because I noticed there were a few frames right at the start with unwanted dialogue that goes by way too fast to read and it was annoying me. Regardless, I think that's a neat section not just for that but because there's two nice shots shots included in those few seconds: the ZZ's head appearing out of the cavitation stream and the cockpit shot of the double beam rifle lighting up.
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>>16664071
And if you like Zeta you're an oldfag, if you like ZZ, you're a newfag.
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>>16664051
I like Zeta and ZZ.

Dislike MSG (well, most of it) and CCA.
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>>16665864
>Because he literally got pasted over a character arc that was supposed to be done by Char.
Calling BS on this. There's no way anybody would mistake Char for being some scrubby newb. He's too old and jaded for that shit and a terrible actor on top of that.
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>>16667521
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>>16667198
No, I mean his rebellion against Haman was supposed to be Char returning but CCA had gotten the okay in the meantime so they pasted Glemmy over it.
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>>16651434
I'm a little past halfway at this point. The first dozen or so episodes, while charming in their own way, are just way too damn episodic. And the comedy can sometimes be a pain to sit through, though I liked how Judau was completely incompetent at piloting Zeta for the first few episodes. So far, my favorite stuff has been on Earth, where you see a lot of rag-tag resistance groups trying to put up a fight with beat-up old salvaged Zakus and Goufs with the occasional Gelgoog being treated like cutting edge technology by people who don't know any better. It creates a much more believable world than the earlier episodes where these armies that are stretched as thin as possible are still rolling out new model mobile suits every episode for the sake of the toy comercial.
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>>16654103
I honestly hate the Double Zeta. It's ludicrously top-heavy, and I don't like the "three planes make a Voltron" gimmick at all.
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>>16650971
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>>16651251
>How about a compilation movie
Damn, it already exists. On my free time, I am also working on a ZZ compilation movie trilogy. It's a hard project and one I dont expect to finish soon.
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Another thing I'm liking about ZZ is that Judau narrates the next episode previews and previous episode recaps. Sure, recaps are pure filler but it feels like him going over stuff as opposed to some random narrator adds to his character and the events which happened.
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I like that sleek elven face of Zeta.
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>>16654207
He didn't want to make ZZ. So he tried to get it cancelled. Then CCA got greenlit and he got his shit together and cleaned it up to set up for the movie he actually wanted to make.
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>>16673903

Source, because ZZ was literally planned from the beginning of Zeta as it's second half so that sounds extremely unlikely. Zeta and ZZ were conceived of as two halves to one story, so him not wanting to write the second part and only doing so out of obligation but presumably being happy to do the first part is extremely weird.
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>>16673986
>ZZ was literally planned from the beginning of Zeta as it's second half
Source
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>>16674011

The production schedule and naming scheme should confirm it on it's own, given that ZZ started up the week after Zeta finished in the exact same time slot and named ZZ i.e. Zeta 2. I thought a pastebin I had about the original plans for Zeta Part II included production information that confirmed it, but apparently I only saved story information so I'll see if I can track down the production stuff again.
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>>16674050
Alright, because from a cursory glance at the Japanese wikipedia, I saw some Sunrise bigdick talking about how excited they were to be making another Gundam TV series in the span of two years. Doesn't sound planned. As well, I'd wager that the abrupt shifts in ZZ's tone doesn't really mesh with the idea that it was all planned from the beginning.
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>>16674081

How would it not be? Again, it started airing literally the week after Zeta finished. It was one continuous production. Even if they hadn't planned it from day one, they would have had to start planning it early in Zeta's run to have the character and mechanical design as well as the early plot etc. down as well as having enough episodes in the can to carry over smoothly from one show to the next. Shows don't happen over night; they take months and sometimes years of planning even before pen is put to paper. ZZ also picks up a story thread Zeta left open, and never really looked like it was going to close (i.e. Haman and her Neo Zeon). They were only ever secondary characters in the fight between AEUG and the Titans, and they'd been in it since half way through Zeta. As for the shift in tone; putting aside that Tomino constantly vascillated between serious and comic shows in the 80s, the start of ZZ was meant to act as a contrast to the drama and seriousness of Zeta's finale.
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>>16674096
>Again, it started airing literally the week after Zeta finished.
Two weeks after.
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ZZ crew character development is fucking high class writing compared to Zeta's. Helps very much that they don't disappear for a dozen episodes then come back out of the blue. The "Gundam Team" at the start of ZZ and heading into the last third are are very different in terms of their roles, ethics, friendships, goals.
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>>16674141

It's only two weeks if for some reason you don't count the first episode of ZZ as an episode of ZZ simply because it's a compilation clip episode, despite it being labeled episode 1, having Judau as the narrator and including preview clips from the following couple of episodes of ZZ.
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>>16674161
At the cost of Mashymre, Chara and Glemy's character developments.
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>>16651482
>ZZ is excellent once you make it past the first 17 episodes of literally nothing of importance happening. It's just a bunch of random comedy skits at first
Am I the only one who actually enjoyed the lighthearted beginning of ZZ? I thought the humor was genuinely funny at times and I appreciated the change of tone from the usual Gundam serious military plots.
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>>16674161
They learned and developed nothing.
Judau ran away from his problems at the start of the series, He literally ran away from them by fleeing the Earth sphere at the end.
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>>16674231
I really liked the lighthearted beginning... for the first three episodes. The Shangri-La arc went on way too fucking long and was excessively repetitive, and Mashymere was too ineffectual as a villain to ever create real stakes. It was like watching Pokemon for the first 12 episodes or so, when Leina got kidnapped. Plus, turning Yazan into another goofy comic relief villain always sat poorly with me, since he had JUST killed half of the cast of Zeta not even on in-universe week ago.
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>>16674578
And he even iced the Argama's Helmsman in the first real ZZ episode which got only like, two mentions later amidst the insanity.
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I was actually just rewatching ZZ, and I can't bring myself to go beyond this scene.
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>>16653431
>some of the double crosses in Zeta felt sorta rushed
You're thinking of when Haman broke her truce with the AEUG, right? IIRC the reasons were obvious but they literally just forgot to put it on the show, I think it only got mentioned in one of the episode recaps or something.
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>>16674838
Yeah, they just... didn't include it.
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>>16674846
I was so confused at the time, I thought I was missing an episode.
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>>16674685
ZZ just shat on everyone from Zeta constantly. Wong got it the worst and he didn't even die.
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>>16676777
Wong did nothing wrong

all mecha MC need to get the shit kick out of them
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>>16676777
Such a good scene. Fuck Wong.
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>>16676789
fuck you
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>>16676790
Stay mad Wong.
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Just imagine if Judau had given him the Jerid treatment.
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>>16669855
Keep working on it, I'm almost done with Zeta and dont want to sit through ZZ
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>>16676792
He needed that Kamille beatdown, Wong set his ass straight

your ass is next pleb
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>>16676876

I like the Bright's just standing there, watching Judau freak out at her.
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>>16669855
>On my free time, I am also working on a ZZ compilation movie trilogy. It's a hard project and one I dont expect to finish soon
That's a neat idea anon. Why not go for an "OVA" style format, which would be more manageable and easier for you to work on?
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>>16651251
>Lady "Ham"-anne
>Gun-damn
been a while since I watched a dub this great
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>>16677097
I already have it planned out for a trilogy.
Part 1 is from shangri-la to entering earth's atmosphere.
Part 2 is from the failed rescue attempt to the Dublin colony drop.
Part 3 is the final battle.
Also, I decided to make some small changes. I have about 45 minutes of the first movie ready (and about 30 min of the second movie). There were some major setbacks and problems in the first one. I honestly need to figure some stuff out.
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>>16677479
It's not a movie, you're just splicing old footage together.
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>>16676908
He's so used to people beating the shit out of each other on his ship, he forgot he's supposed to step in.
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Down to the last 5 episodes of ZZ and is this the UC series with the lowest overall kill count or what? No gassings, giant fuckoff lasers / sun reflections, not even any huge damage to a colony/town on the moon/earth. Barring Dublin, obviously. Just two relatively small forces pecking away at one another while for once generally leaving ordinary ass peoples alone.
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>>16678202
Dublin is a pretty big thing to write off, anon. Also, in the last two episodes, Glemy rams Axis into Core 3, completely destroying both colonies.
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>>16678313
Its not so much write-off as it not being as devastating compared to other series which had things like that ontop of other huge kill offs. Also I legit forgot about that spoiler part.
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>>16678111
He got no right, he's the main one handing out "corrections". If he was desperate for pilots and still had Kamille or even Emma with him, I guarantee you his correcting hand would be sore those first 20 episodes.
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>>16678334
*Wasn't desperate
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>>16678324

Zeta had what, two colony gassings (including one that only took place prior to the show, but is mentioned as the motivating factor for some stuff) and an attempted colony drop? It's not much more and possibly less even really.
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>>16678382
Two gassings (One of which we only see the mummified aftermath of) an attempted(Empty) Axis-drop on Granada, an attempted (empty)Colony Drop on Granada, an attempted gassing, Axis ramming Aboaqu, the Colony laser blasting a third inhabited colony and the colony laser blasting a fleet.
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>>16678385
>>16678382
Oh and Jaburo getting self-destructed (Mostly empty) and the Psycho Gundam's rampage in overcrowded Hong Kong.
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>>16676971
How can people not like ZZ? Judau is clearly the most Chad Tomino MC and beats the shit out of Wong while Kamille was the one who got beat up by Wong.
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>>16651118
He gets undisabled by the end of ZZ anyway
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Wrapped up ZZ. Starting from Zeta its a long ass adventure that really does pay off in the end. Peace has been achieved, those who survived live on to find better days, all the Gundams are totaled. Only the Hyaku Shiki remains, which surely isn't an omnious ode to a shitty half-baked movie with nonsense plot to follow, right? Right. Onto Unicorn!
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>>16680992

> all the Gundams are totaled

The ZZ is in by far the worst shape of them, and it was able to fly back to the Nahel Argama under it's own power with the core booster and core top even if it had to eject the core bottom and had an arm missing. It mostly seems like superficial damage other than that frankly, and something that would presumably be easy enough to fix up or replace parts on. The Zeta and Mk II were damaged and had trouble functioning but the damage wasn't severe or anything by the look of them. I think totaled is a strong word given the shape of the units.
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>>16681020
The MkII and Zeta weren't able to make it out of Axis and were presumably still there when it slammed into Core 3. I can't imagine they'd have been in much better shape after that then when we last saw them. The ZZ was never shown to have backup parts like the Victory series so they'd have to commission an entirely new Core Bottom at best, and at worst the Core Top as well. Having more than two-thirds of the machine out to lunch seems pretty totaled to me.
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>>16681020
Well, the ZZ does make a appearance in Gundam Evolve episode 10, and it's using GM III parts to make up for the battle damage it suffered. Later in the episode, a high speed rocket delivers proper replacement parts for the ZZ, apparently manufactured by Anaheim and sent to rendezvous with Judau on his Jupiter-bound transport.

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/MSZ-010S_ZZ-GR
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>>16678587
>Judau starts out running from his problems
>ends by running from his problems to the point of leaving the earth sphere
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>ends by running from his problems to the point of leaving the earth sphere
The Earth Sphere's problems aren't his to worry about. If they want to make a better world then they should do something about it rather than waiting on someone in good will to do it for them.
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reminder that episode 35 of ZZ is one of the best episodes of all Gundam series, the colony drop is kino as fuck (and sad too)
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so just another colony drop then
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>>16681675
it's a really well made episode though
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>>16677577
That's literally what the actual MSG movie trilogy did though you dumb faggot, don't hate on that anon, he's doing God's work
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>>16681733
There were plenty of new scenes you retarded faggot. It's just the new animation was done by the same people so it wasn't as jarring as ANT.
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>>16681322
Sounds like he's a pussy who ignored Tomino's man philosophy that it's up to the next generation to make things better. No wonder he made ZZ not canon. Judau is antithetical to what Tomino believes.
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>>16651118
Zeta movies were there to give a "happy ending"


>>16651249

Animax in the Philippines(I think?) dubbed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsRX94qHUfM
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>>16682614
I mean an actual dub with people at least coached to mimic the voices from prior shows.

And Judau not sounding like Slab Bulkhead or some other space mutiny hero.
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>>16682625
Judau is already a gary stu musclehead, you might as well embrace the voice.
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>>16684286
He's also 14, buff or not it shouldn't sound like Bright's put his faith in Blast Hardcheese.
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Bleh... just got through CCA. What a drag that movie was. Of all the people to bring back why Cameron? Guessing he's still a turbo virgin since he's willing to face life in jail for Mirai's sake.

Why so few of the Argama/Nahel Argama crew on the Ra-Calium with Bright? There was that lady who always looked after the kids (was she ever at any point named?) and Astonaige who they give a love interest to, kill off said interest, then kill him. Because ???? Would've been nice to see Iino there as part of the bridge crew or even Torres.

Teen Cheimin is a cutie though. Not enough to redeem the movie, but pretty good. Now onto Unicorn for reals.
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>>16657304

This is something I've been wondering about a bit lately. There were what, a dozen Puru's? Chara takes out 3, but I don't think any of the rest are even shown dying but people always say they all died. Did I just miss a scene where Mashymre or Chara took another half dozen or more of them out? Even Puru II's last scene is so non-specific she could just have fainted from effort. Marida showing up in Unicorn as Puru 12 makes sense to me, because there really should be a half dozen more of them running around as far as I can tell.

>>16681322

If you want to make a better world someone in that world has to start. Judau abdicated on doing that by leaving the world entirely in favor of trying it somewhere else. Which frankly, is just as unlikely to work out somewhere else as it is on Earth really.
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>>16685232
>If you want to make a better world someone in that world has to start. Judau abdicated on doing that by leaving the world entirely in favor of trying it somewhere else. Which frankly, is just as unlikely to work out somewhere else as it is on Earth really.
He did take several colonies with him on that trip so he's making the world better for the people in those colonies.

Possibly including the surviving non-Marida Purus.
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>>16685256

He took several colonies to Jupiter? His non-canonical trip to Alpha Centauri makes no sense given the technology level in UC outside of that one manga.
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>>16685232
>If you want to make a better world someone in that world has to start. Judau abdicated on doing that by leaving the world entirely
He helped finish off Neo Zeon. He did his part and it was the Feddies responsibility to ease tensions between Spacenoids and Earthnoids as well as deal with the corruption in it's rank with the peacetime the AEUG secured for the Earth Sphere. Instead they did nothing with the opportunity they were given just like how they did nothing with it again after CCA. They either suffocate the colonies with their grip or let factions like Neo Zeon, Crossbone Vanguard and Zanscare terrorize the colonies due to them ignoring their situations entirely.
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>>16684323
Bright, along with almost all the old cast already were character assassinated. So of course the neutered Bright wasn't going to stop Smash Lampjaw.
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>>16685316
>character assassinated
No he just realizes Mirai is a shit, he's a deadbeat dad, and that being a tough ass with kids doesn't help them at all.
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>>16650962
Why do people care so much about what's canon? It's a cartoon show.
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>>16685369
/m/ have a lot of autistic people, I myself consider only 0079 and the OYW OVAs canon
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>>16685331
This thread did evolve into a bunch of different fun discussions.
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Maybe this'll start another one, maybe not; either way it'll hopefully answer my question. Haman mentions Judau being responsible for a barrier that slowed her response to the Qubeley's attack here but does anyone know what she's on about, because I don't recall him doing anything of the kind in this episode.
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Also this.
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>>16685331
To be fair, everyone agress that ZZ is not canon, but then salvaged the thread like >>16686907 said.
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>>16689463
I've not watched back up to that episode again so I can't help you.
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Man, if nothing else, ZZ's got a novel reason for a kid to jump into a Gundam. Dude want to jack the thing and sell it for some bling. Don't be hatin'.
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>>16692485
Amuro: dad built the gundam
Kamille: dad and mom built the gundam
Uso: mom built and dad funded(?) the gundam
Banana: dad oversaw development & had ownership rights of the gundam
Kou: the chick who was working on the gundam handed it to him on a silver platter - with a side of carrots and cucking
Judau: "yo lemme sell that barely functioning piece of scrap so my kid sister can go to a nice school"

Judua, truly the downtrodden peoples hero.




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