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>ringo was such a great drummer, he only played for the song!

When will this meme die? Ringo was shit and he only played what the actual musicians told him to.
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Just finished listening to the whole Beatles discography. You're wrong, sometimes he goes all in.
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don't be knocking the voice of thomas the tank engine
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>>73443363
Name one song
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>>73443385
Strawberry Fields
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>>73443402
Like I said, he's just playing what they told him to.
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>>73443413
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oQsKRyihEA
kys
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>>73443334
He was good for the 50's and cuz he was so shit it gave space to the more talented
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You don't know what a musician is if you don't think Ringo is one
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>>73443618
Musicians make music. Ringo didn't create anything on his own, and you can't call his solo act music
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>>73443633
He wrote some excellent music in my opinion and also "a person who plays a musical instrument, especially as a profession, or is musically talented" is the definition for musician
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>>73443633
his whole life is basically a shrine to how talentless you can be and still earn a bunch of money and have everybody know your name

>pic related
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>>73443711
His greatest achievement is octopus' garden for fucks sake
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>>73443633
>Musicians make music
Creative organized rhythm is music.
>Ringo didn't create anything on his own
See: Octopus's Garden, Don't Pass Me By, etc.
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>>73443334
haven't you listened to a day in the life. those fills are fantastic
>he only played what the actual musicians told him to
never mind. didn't know this was a meme thread
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>>73443334
>he only played for the song!
>When will this meme die?
Confirmed for non musician
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ringo's drumming is so good you could recognize most beatles songs just by listening to the drum track.
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>>73443334
Your argument is invalid
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>>73443835
>>73443848
>being new
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>>73443844
isn't that true for almost all drummers and almost all instruments?
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>>73443856
Not really
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>>73443877
name one it's not true for if you are the sort of person to recognise tracks from the drums

oh, its just ringo damage controlling again
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>>73443856
Theoretically, but more often than not it won't happen. Quite interestingly, one example of this is Dave Grohl's drumming in Nirvana, it's also very recognizable.
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He was shit when he was trying to be something he wasn't: a standard pop/rock drummer. I Want To Hold Your Hand has some of the worst fills I've ever heard on a commercially released song. He was legit good when the music was such that he could play to his strengths, around Rubber Soul and after. Rain was maybe his best work, along with She Said She Said

If you really want the memester of the group it was clearly George; every solo or lead line that was halfway decent falls into three categories: actually played by Paul, actually played by Eric Clapton, or played at half speed and sped to regular tempo on the album because he couldn't hack it. He was a mediocre guitarist at best that eventually evolved into a great songwriter.
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>>73443844
Remember to give credit to Rolling Stone for this ridiculously tepid take
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>>73443877
i also like the part you took your trip off to reply to me to make it seem like there is more than 1 person with your retarded opinion
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>>73443903
>muh complex drumming
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>>73443903
Most house music.
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>>73443844
Not true, only a few of their early albums/singles have notable drums and it's even less true for the latter part of their career, with a few notable exceptions. He was competent and that's why he was hired but he wasn't exceptional besides those 2 times he was out of his mind in Rain and A day In The Life. Note that these aren't the only songs he did an above average performance but to say all their songs have something resembling an iconic drum pattern isn't true at all.
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listen to tomorrow never knows and she said
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Revolver era was his peak of consistently good stuff.
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>>73443967
name one example of george ripping off clapton
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Notice how in every Beatles song that features a nice beat the drums stand out a lot more in the mix, you can "feel them" better and they sound better recorded, songs like Tomorrow Never Knows and Strawberry Fields still sound great thanks to this.
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>>73444271
Ticket to Ride
She Said She Said
Tomorrow Never Knows
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>>73444271
its called subtly, you don't have to be as flashy as keith moon to be a good or notable drummer. i completely disagree with your opinion that ringo declined as the beatles progressed, he has a wicked sense of groove and did more with less than any other drummer i've ever heard.
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>>73443334
>A Day in the Life
>I Want You (She's So Heavy)
try again
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Glad to see more people taking the Ringo pill.
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friendly reminder that ringo was already a famous drummer before joining the beatles.
>>73444801
>>73444603
>>73444280
>>73443848
off the top of my head im also quite partial to old brown shoe, yer blues, only a northern song, birthday, oh! darling hello goodbye, you wont see me and good morning good morning.
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If you think Ringo is a shit drummer listen to come together. He keeps a good rhythm and those fills sound amazing. You can't deny that he was good
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>>73443903
The Animals
>>73444011
Who do you think I am?
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>>73445078
famous locally
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>>73443334
Shut up fool. He was an excellent drummer, you're just too uneducated to know this. His melodic style was revolutionary.

I bet you think joey jordeson is the best drummer or some shit. Technicality is one of many keys to being a good drummer, it can also be completely irrelevant.
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>>73445843
reddit: the post
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>>73445843
>Technicality is one of many keys to being a good drummer, it can also be completely irrelevant.
Yeah Meg White is my favorite drummer too :)
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>>73443903
Ginger baker, Mitch Mitchell, Kieth Moon

All some of the best drummers in rock music. I bet you couldn't pick their songs from their drum tracks.
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>>73444271
>I'm not a drummer but think I know what makes a drummer.

Your ignorance is showing anon.
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>>73444457
No I mean it was literally played by Clapton (While My Guitar Gently Weeps). Point being the best lead work in their discography was played by other people or dressed up with studio effects.
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>>73445859
not an argument
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>>73444457
He was referring to While my guitar gently weeps, Clapton played the lead guitar in that song.
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>>73446709
>>73446434
Oh shit, I didnt see your reply.
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>>73444603

The drum parts to both ticket to ride and tomorrows never knows were written by paul
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>>73446788
[citation needed]
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i love his fills on yer blues
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>>73443967
what were some George guitar parts that were sped up afterwards?
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>>73443967
>played at half speed and sped to regular tempo on the album because
Ooops you forgot to mention that ALL the instruments were sped up and slowed down to give it unusual character.

Nice try though.
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>>73443740
And?
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>>73443740
what is wrong with octopus' garden you dip?
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>>73443716
I'm sure his art is ironic.
He gave all the money earnt from his works to charity anyway right?
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>>73443811
This. No other drummer would have come up with those weird ass fills. Ringo is all about feel over raw technique. That being said at the beatles first recording session they had to replace him with a studio drummer because he couldnt keep time. Guess whos playing the tambourine in love me do lol
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>>73447863
>That being said at the beatles first recording session they had to replace him with a studio drummer because he couldnt keep time
This is wrong.

Their original drummer Pete Best was replaced because he couldn't keep time.
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>>73443774
>etc.
Name another one.
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>>73447972
Not necessary; one example was needed to prove anon wrong, and I gave twice that amount
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>>73445907
You're either not a drummer, or you're a complete idiot
Or both
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>>73445907
Nope I'm a drummer of 12 years, Ringo is 10x more identifiable than them.
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>>73447994
Don't add the etc then. It's hokum.
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>>73448079
>Ringo is 10x more identifiable than them
This is just clearly false. I'm pro-Ringo, I think he was a great drummer that fit The Beatles perfectly, but you can't pretend his style is more identifiable than those drummers
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>>73448129
>Don't add the etc then. It's hokum.
No, etc clearly denotes something that I meant and was intended.
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a drummist who ain't do much but metronome the shit ain't right contributin much o musical value to anything 'tall

if'n ye has the instroomint en yer on-som-bole and what ye make it for doin is tup tup tup the beat beet bete thun ye mite not have much a clame to testin the limits o yer craft or brakin no boundrees in yer compostizyuning

what for mah poynte be hear would nutshelling it for ye wood be this talkjabber of beatles ain't wut it cracks up for
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>>73443334
>Most experienced musician in the band
>shit
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>>73448179
I don't think you intended anything, and are completely incapable of proving that you intended anything.
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>>73448599
>I don't think you intended anything
That's not my problem
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>>73447368
Um they didn't speed up/slow down every instrument ever, but if you thought by "the album" I meant Rubber Soul, then yes that is partly true (e.g., the piano sped up to sound like a harpsichord on In My Life). I was speaking generally of the 3 categories I lumped good lead guitar work of the Beatles into. But since you brought it up, I'll quote from "All The Songs: The Story Behind Every Beatles Release":

"In the guitar solo [for Hard Day's Night], George, who was not inspired or who was irritated by Lester's constant barging in, was struggling ... [George Martin] slowed down the tape recorder by half to facilitate George's solo."

I'll grant you that it is ambiguous whether they sped up the solo in that song for slightly more clarity in the mix (which I guess was another result of doing that), or George "struggling". But more to the point, let's go back to the notes for Misery on the first album:

"George Harrison had problems playing the little guitar riff that accompanied the line 'I'll remember all the little things we've done.' George Martin then decided to replace George with a piano solo."

So I guess we can both be right: maybe they didn't speed up George for that express purpose, but the point is he consistently dodged recording the better lead guitar work on the band's records. Good overall musician, but lets get real about his lead guitar virtuosity.

Yeah it was a nice try.
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>>73447341
Hard Day's Night for one
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>>73448764
>Um they didn't speed up/slow down every instrument ever, but if you thought by "the album" I meant Rubber Soul, then
I meant generally, on every album from Rubber Soul onward. For instance, most instruments were pitch-altered on all of the Sgt pepper album
>I was speaking generally
So was I. Use your brain
>but the point is he consistently dodged recording the better lead guitar work on the band's records.
He has plenty of great guitar work: see You Never Give Me Your Money, Something, etc
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>>73443334
>>ringo was such a great drummer
>was
FUCK. YOU. OP I almost had a goddamned heart attack.
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>>73448791
>I was speaking generally
>ALL the instruments
>Rubber Soul and after

If you have to define a subset, how are you speaking generally? It wasn't "ALL" the instruments ever, nor "ALL" the instruments from "Rubber Soul and after". They also used the technique before Rubber Soul so why the distinction? Is it "ALL" or not? Or just "ALL" of what you actually meant?

Sorry dude again I don't think he's even a bad musician. Yes there are a few examples like Let It Be or whatever but homie is the lead guitarist and literally getting replaced by the producer playing a piano and his other band members.
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>>73448953
>If you have to define a subset, how are you speaking generally?
I should ask you the same thing.
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>>73449061
Super so is this the kind of tu quoque thing where my original point is reinforced as valid or where you're saying you need to "use your brain" too
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>>73449294
>original point is reinforced as valid
It can't be, because you are incorrect.
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>>73448179
Why add the etc. if you already gave enough examples?
Why not just type out what you meant?
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>>73449376
Why do you care?
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>>73448079
keith moon is literally the most identifiable drummer in rock
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>>73449518
I was reading the thread and that stood out to me.
Why won't you answer me?
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>>73449559
The glaring errors other anons didn't stand out to you?

Why is that?
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>>73449571
The ones you disproved while you were in discussion with them?
Beats me.
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>>73449321
About my subjective opinion or the thing about speeding up that you're perpetually salty about? If it's the former then you could've just called me a fag and been done with it. If the latter i guess it's just a total coincidence that they had a "struggling" guitar player play in half time on HDN for the real purpose of making the guitar sound like a guitar. But you're right about the non sequitur that they did it some other times to a mellotron or whatever too. Now tell me the one about how Paul didn't beat George at his own game with the Taxman solo, or how George was starting to do mediocre leads by the time 1969 rolled around.
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>>73446788
Not true
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>>73443334
Fuck you! he did it with a little help from his friends!
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>>73443903
zach hill
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>>73443413
Ticket to Ride?

Hello?
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I have a theory that Ringo Starr was the person who laughed the most in the history of humanity. Just look at his fucking face. He spent the best years of his life fucking bitches, getting high and making more money than he could spend because he was in the right place at the right time. He had all the benefits and none of the responsibilities of being a fucking rockstar.
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>>73449695
>About my subjective opinion
Which you stated as a fact?

So you misspoke
>perpetually salty about
Why would I be salty about that?
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>>73453624
do opinions usually have a warning that precedes them or something or do I just possess the unique property of manifesting mine as fact when I write them down as a sentence? Also no idea and I'm torn on whether I want to find out
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>>73454228
>do opinions usually have a warning that precedes them
>what is "imo"
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>>73454278
I think you've been on the internet too long if that's the only way you can differentiate the two
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>>73454326
I think you might need to check where you are on the spectrum if you disguise your opinion as factual
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>>73454343
Since you are the first person to say that in the thread is everything on this page now a magic internet fact
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>>73454377
No, just opinions disguised as fact.
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>>73454343
I said my opinion was an opinion without saying imo is it now a fact that it's an opinion
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>>73454388
You should really say imo before opinions like that
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>>73454402
>>73454416
Let me know when you have an actual argument.
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you know you've been on 4chan too long when you start recognizing anonymous posters by their diction and formatting
I want off this ride
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>>73448674
Faggot.
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>>73454442
About which part:
- when all means sometimes
- when opinions are facts
Or
- when I stated an opinion and cited a source

imo it's a fact that I'm set
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>>73454505
Sorry ALL as in "imo ALL the instruments are generally sometimes altered"
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>>73454505
This is misdirection. It won't work.


The original post made factual claims:
>every solo or lead line that was halfway decent falls into three categories: actually played by Paul, actually played by Eric Clapton, or played at half speed and sped to regular tempo on the album because he couldn't hack it.
Instead of saying "I don't think he's very good, I don't like him" (a subjective opinion), a claim was made that he either didn't play it or the tape speed was altered because because he wasn't a competent musician (an objective fact).

You (if it's still you, anyways) only recently said it was opinion. That's backpedaling
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ITT: people with different definitions of musicians clash
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>>73454574
>every solo or lead line that was halfway decent
So saying he was halfway decent would be recognized by your opinion algorithm as such, but saying the same thing about his solos makes it a fact?
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>>73454574
>a claim was made that he either didn't play it or the tape speed was altered because because he wasn't a competent musician (an objective fact).

don't be a fucking retard.
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>>73454574
>"I don't think he's very good, I don't like him" (a subjective opinion)
Citation needed: you didn't say imo
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>>73454574
If you attempt to back up opinions with facts to show your reasoning, is the whole thing one big imo or is it a Fact Family
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>>73454657
Misdirection
>>73454668
Not an argument
>>73454678
Not an argument
>>73454705
See: Opinion disguised as fact
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>>73454730
no its not an argument, its a suggestion you fucking moron.
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>>73454730
"Not an argument" sounds like an imo when there's no reasoning given but admittedly I'm not an expert in these things (imo)
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>>73454574
>This is misdirection. It won't work
... imo
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>>73454574
How do you know which group of solos I was referring to whenever I defined it as every halfway decent solo. Is there a canon of objectively good solos?
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>>73454775
>no its not an argument
Been nice talking to ya
>>73454787
Misdirection
>>73454852
Not an argument
>>73454879
You specifically defined the classes you are discussing.
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>>73443774
>Creative organized rhythm is music
this stopped being true a long time ago
the current definition is simply organised sound
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>>73455362
>this stopped being true a long time ago
How so?
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>>73443526
all that proves is the beatles made really simple music
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>>73455397
as soon as john cage wrote 4 33
or spend 9 minutes playing around with domestic items and called it music
and musique concrete was invented
and noise was invented

saying music requires rhythm is very old fashioned
more than a century old
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>>73455299
I contended (imo) that good solos were comprised of those groups, not the other way around
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>>73455494
>saying music requires rhythm
When did I say that?
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>>73455299
Also none of what you said is an argument. Note I didn't say imo for that so it's irrefutable
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>>73455530
imo it is good misdirection though
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>>73455530
>Also none of what you said is an argument.
That's because I already made it last night, and now I'm just pandering with your guys' damage control
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>>73455528
>Creative organized rhythm is music.
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>>73455528
right here dog >>73443774
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>>73455299
I still don't see why I can't say the solos I like were not properly done by George therefore I don't like him as a lead guitarist but I can say that George sucks just carte blanche apparently. Why does one require IMO but the other doesn't.
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>>73455556
There was a citation that was never refuted or explained
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>>73455556
Pandering with or pandering to?
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>>73455571
>>73455586
Did you see what I was responding to?
>>73455608
Nice backpedaling
>>73455639
What citation?
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>>73455556
How are you "pandering with" a position that you're still arguing against? It's not exactly indulging me to simply assert things are wrong with no reasoning given
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>>73455674
It's only backpedaling to someone who doesn't know what opinions are
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>>73455674
>>73448764
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>>73455674
>>Musicians make music
What about it?
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>>73455704
What are you really asking here?
>>73455721
You mean opinions intentionally disguised as facts.
>>73455739
Why are you quoting this?
>>73455746
What?
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>>73455674
>>73455608
As far as not an argument goes, your position on why one is acceptable but the other isn't still has never been explained
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>>73443334
Ringo sucked, George sucked, John sucked, Paul sucked, the Beatles fucking sucked, they were a fucking joke, they are the worst meme band ever, glad John and George died.
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>>73455800
>your position on why one is acceptable but the other isn't still has never been explained
That's because you are changing your argument as you go along
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>>73455769
It contains the citation you were asking for. It literally quotes from a book describing the production of their songs, wherein George couldn't play the solo until it was in half time
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>>73455769
"Musicians make music" is what you were responding to.
Why did you bring it up when I pointed out that your response to it is where you seemed to imply that music requires rhythm?
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>>73455830
How
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>>73455769
How can you judge intent over the internet. Do music reviews intend to deceive because they don't say imo? Your entire position hinges on a fact free assertion that I was somehow disgusing my opinion as fact simply by not explicitly labeling it as such, which is the case for the vast majority of opinions given on this site and elsewhere. By your own words, I could have said George was not good and it would have been better somehow than categorizing the solos I happen to like as not properly done by George. Why is that? Is it true that if you merely understood this was my opinion to begin with, you would have agreed? If yes, I'm literally telling you that so you don't have to infer anything. If no, the discussion on facts vs opinions is a giant non sequitur
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>>73455844
>It contains the citation you were asking for.
Oh do you have an author, title, page number and reference number? I didn't see it. Try again
>>73455856
>you seemed to imply that music requires rhythm?
I didn't. I reminded anon that organized rhythm is considered music, in response to the claim that a drum track is not music. Please read the thread before posting
>>73455857
Because you recently added "I don't like him as a lead guitarist" (which is an obvious opinion), in contrast to your initial claim that all his decent parts were either played by someone else or was pitch shifted because he was not a competent musician (which was intended to appear as objective fact)
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>Creative organized rhythm is music.
Is this disguising opinion as fact? Why or why not
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>>73455914
>Your entire position hinges on a fact free assertion that I was somehow disgusing my opinion as fact simply by not explicitly labeling it as such,
And the fact that you tried to use objective reasoning, language and tone. Why will you not just admit this and move on?
>I could have said George was not good and it would have been better somehow than categorizing the solos I happen to like as not properly done by George.
Again, that's not what you said. You are changing your position once again.
>>73455946
See >>73455917
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>>73455917
>the claim that a drum track is not music.
Not seeing this anywhere.
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>>73455965
See >>73443633

Please read the thread before posting
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>>73455917
Hey way to move the goalposts on that. It only took like a dozen posts for you to acknowledge the citation and point out your criticisms (the old "I can't see the post that's contradicts me") but I'm sure the only thing that prevents you from accepting its authenticity is that beyond an easily googleable title you don't have an author or page number. Maybe in 30 more posts you can actually respond for real
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>>73455963
What is objectives about saying the solos I like fall into 3 categories
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>>73456004
Are you sure he didn't bring up "musicians make music" because he thought Ringo didn't play the drum tracks and not because his drum tracks aren't music?
If it's the latter I guess I can concede
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>>73456033
Not sure what you are referring to. make an actual argument or stop replying.
>>73456050
No, you aren't understanding. the "3 categories" is the attempt to mask your opinion ("the solos I like") with "objective facts" (the 3 Categories)
>>73456082
>because he thought Ringo didn't play the drum tracks
I hope not because that is incorrect. Ringo plays drums or percussion on almost all Beatles songs.
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>>73455963
>every solo or lead line that was halfway decent falls into three categories
i actually did say that, your bizarre confusion that when I said "halfway decent" I somehow mean that as a fact is the only thing that gives you the impression that I'm "changing positions". Note that by your own words if the assertion was simply "George is not halfway decent" that would be acceptable for reasons that have still not been given - other than you simply asserting my intent was to pass off my judgement as fact, which is impossible. Remember that according to you, my opinion was so well disguised as a fact that you instantly identified it as such.
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>>73456113
I agree that it's incorrect. It just seems like he would have felt the need to bring up musicianship under that misconception too because the verbiage is vague
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>>73456113
Classic. Revert back to "not knowing what I'm talking about"
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>>73456166
>i actually did say that, your bizarre confusion that when I said "halfway decent" I somehow mean that as a fact
Guess I have to repeat myself:
It was the following conditions of other musicians playing his part and tape speed manipulations because he was not a good musician that was the "fact", disusing your opinion of George.
>Remember that according to you, my opinion was so well disguised as a fact that you instantly identified it as such.
Remember that I reminded you it's not a valid criticism, since many of their recordings were varispeeded anyways.
>>73456192
Not an argument.

Have a nice day.
>>73456174
Well, he's an idiot, what do you expect?
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>>73456192
Not him but how is >>73448764 a citation?
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>>73456232
Do you need it in ALA? I mean Jesus Christ google it for the author and the book has an entry for each song in chronological order
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>>73456271
So you misspoke
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>>73456288
No but keep dodging
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>>73456460
>No
Oh so show us where the source was?
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>>73456580
All the Songs by Jean-Michel Guesdon and Philippe Margotin, pgs 128 and 26

30secs on google. I can get you the Amazon link

We went from "not seeing the post" to being pedantic about the term citation (which doesn't need imply author or page number but whatever), I predict now the source will be "illegitimate" in some because those goalpost won't move themselves
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>>73456288
Are you the guy that said "you know what I mean meant" when you said (caps lock equals truth serum) "ALL the instruments" had their speed altered (not literally true, even for the period you eventually qualified that statement for) or are you just defending his hypocrisy because I heard once your opponent starts quibbling about rhetoric (what is and isn't an opinion, what is and isn't a citation) you've won
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>>73456580
http://searchengineland.com/guide/how-to-use-google-to-search

For future reference
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>>73456288
Remember to follow up on whether or not I should "use my brain" to infer your points for you, and then apply that standard here. Actually just save me some time and get all future news and info from Facebook where they can filter out all the fake news for you since I doubt they use imo
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>>73456938
Oh and heads up their facts on which presidential candidate is best is actually an opinion, their "tone" and "language" is convincing as fuck. They don't even say stuff like "I think" they just let you sort it out
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>>73456113
>>73455917
>>73455769
Oh and lastly how about you lead off with the Double Dare physical challenge of demanding page numbers and authors instead of just ignoring it for halfway the thread and pretending you don't see it. Could've cut out like 60 posts imo
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>>73456741
>citation (which doesn't need imply author or page number but whatever)
The problem is you just simply don't know what a citation is
>>73456826
Not a citation
>>73456799
What anon do you think I am?
>>73456938
>Remember to follow up on whether or not I should "use my brain"
I would recommend it
>>73456978
Wow, calm down. All this over damage control form last night? yeesh.
>>73457133
Are you admitting you (or him) misspoke?
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>>73457150
Dude I know I called out the "discredit" maneuver but going back to the "ignoring posts that respond to me and only looking at the jokes" is old hat. Citation is here: >>73456741
Just make a new thread with the same OP picture when you have a better rhetorical pivot. I'll seriously be looking for it. Honestly I'm disappointed. And dont act like you're too cool or something - you posted same as me for the better part of a day on goddamn tape speed.
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>>73457381
Oh and I guarantee you see and respond to this. You'll probably break out in hives if you try to resist getting the last word




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