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Feel free to discuss and listen to jazz, and if you'd like to get into it (or just need new recs), we're happy to help.
Also, post some top 10s, and give recs to fellow enthusiasts and newcomers.

>Question of the Thread
What's your favorite rendition of a recent song by a jazz artist?

>/mu/ jazz guides and charts
http://imgur.com/a/7k7Sw

>Essential Jazz
https://mega.nz/#F!ZlJynagS!Jpnh5wBF4zcvBXLpxH2p4A
>Essential Jazz-Fusion
https://mega.nz/#F!dokFRSTa!ExGpvNBgn6lbL4rgF-d3KQ

>releases, reviews and news
https://pastebin.com/RXP80z0f

>historical resources
https://mega.nz/#F!fNdmVR7B!9a5sgVwyqqC3i3j9ooJGLg (jazz books)
https://mega.nz/#F!vZUVwQAR!nye_-wRwFbm-0Q3DYivQBg (Collection of Blue Note liner notes)
https://mega.nz/#F!ncdz0CpY!7RKQ_SY6OI77NcKS64t4UA (Collection of 1960’s Down Beat Scans)

>jazz theory and playing resources
https://mega.nz/#F!WcEEmbIJ!YGcPWrZAx4K9Jf4TVnsb_w

>blindfold of the month (24/05 to 23/06)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/fk4fpuavvh1432f/Month%201.zip

How to participate on /blindfold/:
>download the zip file, which will contain a certain number of tunes
>listen to the tracks, comment on them, try to guess the performers, discuss, and enjoy!
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Does anybody have Nostalgia in Times Square by Mingus? I love that version of Moanin' and I can't seem to find a download.
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>>81392719

You can just stream it from apple or download it from youtube on your computer and put it on your phone for free if you have an android. Amazon has CDs but they're legitimately $70.
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Any good violin hard bop?
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>>81393383
That method does work but it's pretty shit quality
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Is he the goat jazz trombonist?
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>>81392719
this and Caribe by Michel Camilo Big Band are my holy grail cds
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Ive saw my impossible crush retweet something about kamasi washington new p, im getting into jazz and want to know what is your consensus about him??
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>>81394046
Wycliffe Gordon
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>>81394280
He's shit
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>>81394413
lel

can you explain me why?? (im curious)
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>>81394280
Not bad but hilariously overrated

Seriously there are hundreds and hundreds of better jazz musicians playing today that will never get the same recognition
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>>81394280
>>81394445
Kamasi Washington is Pitchfork pleb-core for indie and hip-hop fans that haven't heard of AllAboutJazz yet.
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>>81394514
>>81394580
Nice to know anons, i saw this thread and im reading on how to get into it with the guides and charts, do you have any recommendations???
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>>81394280
>>81394514
This is accurate. His music is enjoyable on some level as fun, groovy background music, which is why it’s popular. But it just doesn’t compare to most jazz artists in terms of musical depth.
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>>81394899
>>81394746
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>>81394746
>do you have any recommendations???
Don’t just listen to a bunch of albums indescriminately. Once you find some albums that you really like make sure you re-listen to them. Try to figure out what it is specifically that you like about them. Look up the players on the album and see what else they’ve recorded together or with other people you’ve heard of.
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>>81395573
nice, also there is an "international jazz festival" in my city this week i will try to checkout some of the concerts here.
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SF Jazz Collective
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdQdmjP2gyA
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What's some more shit like BADBADNOTGOOD? Stuff with drum machine grooves
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>>81396233
I haven't listened to BBNG, but maybe you'll enjoy Toshinori Kondo & DJ Krush - 記憶 (Ki-Oku) (1996). It's instrumental hip hop with a jazz trumpet, I enjoyed it as background music while I was drawing.
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This was fantastic. Does anyone know some other records like it?
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>Jazz workshop ever tuesday night at brewery in town
>I cant find a qt tinder thot to go to the show with me
it hurts bros
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>>81395657
Good on ya mate
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Someone with limited experience of Jazz here.

The saxophone is one of my favourite instruments and I’ve always loved bombastic sax solos. I’m wondering if there’s any intense/ or feelsy jazz albums where the sax is the dominant instrument.
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>>81397318
Literally the whole Coltrane discography
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any british jazz recs?
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>>81397768
Tubby Hayes - Mexican Green
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How to get good at saxophone? I took it for years and want to revisit it now.
Just do scales?
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>>81394580
>allaboutjazz
My negro
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been listening to this

>>81392719
look it up on the archive https://rbt.asia/mu/

>>81394580
cringe
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The Grateful Dead is supposed to be improvisational jazz through the lense of American folk music, rock 'n' roll, and the 60s psychedelic counterculture right?
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>>81393551
lol there are like 2 violin jazz player. that instrument doesn't work in the genre at all, especially not in hard bop
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>>81395657
what's the lineup?
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>>81398464
Aren't they just a jam band? not trying to ridicule them I just don't know much of them, only heard some folky studio albums that I liked
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>>81398862
Yes, but they approached their jams in the way of modal jazz, they were acolytes of both Coltrane and Davis (especially in tandem). Miles Davis played sets before them at the Fillmore and Jerry Garcia would go onto feature on some Ornette Coleman albums.

Though in addition to the jazz influence, there was the modern classical thing, as two of their members were classically trained had played with Steve Reich and one had studied under Boulez, Stockhausen, and Berio in Europe.
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>>81399112
>Jerry Garcia would go onto feature on some Ornette Coleman albums.
pretty based

but ornette also let his 6 year old son to drum for him lol
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>>81399146
Yes, but Ornette was actually a fan of the Dead and had attended their live shows and even jammed with them on stage at one in the late 80s.

So did Branford Marsalis.
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>>81399199
damn that's cool I like it when musicians respect each other.

Is branford the anti wynton?
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>>81399245
Basically. No dis to Wynton because I like him in many ways, but Branford was always far more versatile and forward-looking.
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>>81399112
That sounds really interesting but for some reason most stuff I've listened from them didn't seem that special, have any recs?
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>>81399311
Wynton is not some bop nazi I think he just treats jazz is "black music" and he hates the hip hop is the new "black music" for young people.
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>>81399333
http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?/topic/11334-the-grateful-dead-dark-star/

I can't really come at it from a jazz-head's perspective since I like so much of their music overall, but this may be able to point you in the right direction
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>>81391763
why do i feel like i cant into jazz some days?
i dont have this problem with any other genre.
I can always listen and "get" the song regardless of style except this.
After a year of listening i feel like giving up exploring jazz because if i go out and listen to a little bit of rock or pop and come back it just sounds like nonsense. but at the same time it pulls me back because when I hear something I like I really like it and its like no other musical experience. then theres the other 50% of the time where some modal piano song comes on and it just sounds like someone who's out of ideas and it feels like there isnt even a structure.
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>>81399461
Maybe try these as starters though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA-kX3_Q6Y8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4innN_jqF38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xic-CHInek
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>>81394046
if you like your a-tonal, maybe.
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>>81399480
Because there's some much information that it never really sounds the same.

Sometimes a song can bore me sometimes the same song can really blow me away, it really depends.
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>>81399480
Sounds like you should re-listen more to jazz you’ve already heard instead of exploring a lot of new albums.
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>>81396438
try some Gil Evans
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>>81394580
you're going to have to up your critique anon. This is basic snobbery with no demonstration of knowledge to validate it.
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>>81396711
Man, go there and strike up a conversation with a girl, if she likes jazz she's on a good path.
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>>81399569
i have tons of my favorite jazz songs but a lot of jazz it improvisational, so its made to be listened to on the spot. if you cant enjoy stuff on the spot then whats the point? maybe some listeners know all the standards so they can just listen to the creativity of the players over the background of a popular number
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>>81398464
That's by far the closest you can get to defining them.
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>>81399714
you obviously can enjoy it on the spot but there's a lot information going on, so it's better to listen to one song 5 times than to 5 different songs.
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>>81397768
Stan Tracey:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUNuxalrCis

Graham Collier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgO3HSa7Z84

Joe Harriott & Amancio DaSilva:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9j13V4QGHc&index=4&list=RDEMMNViNSC9Q6mdThAJkKjBWA

Iain Carr & Don Rendell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKgH9WZnkVc

Mike Westbrook band:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41od9P1_b-s
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>>81399714
Just because it’s improvisational doesn’t mean it’s meant to be listened to only once. Besides, the more you re-listen and pick up on details that you missed on previous listens, then the better you’ll get at catching more and more detail when listening on the spot.
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how do i get better at walking bass lines? they're so fucking hard to do well. i literally sound like i'm just playing scales or arpeggios over the chord
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>>81399876
Approach root by half step. Find pedal tones.
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>>81398464
Basically yeah.

Think of like "My Favorite Things". The original version is a fun little 2 and a half minute ditty, reflective of Broadway musicals of the era. A standard vocal pop song.

The Coltrane version is 5x as long, emphasizes the musical component of the song's melody, and twists it into strange and exciting new directions.

The Grateful Dead is the same thing. Studio version are maybe 3 - 5 minute long rock tunes that feature very psychedelic and Americana-leaning lyrics that are extended to 10 - 20 minutes, live (sometimes longer) where the musical component takes the forefront and is the template for larger inter-band improvisational interplay.
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>>81399493
>>81399461
<3 <3 <3 Thanks Anon!
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>>81399876
sounding like an arpeggio or scale is not that bad. generally speaking, you'd want to sound as simple as possible. like what you do makes sense. It's all about voice leading really, how to connect chords. And if you want to play a bit out, make sure it's very clear so it doesn't sound like nonsense.

Also knowing harmony is very important, for example if it's a II V I progression (Let's say we're in the key of C), and you play F on DM (3rd degree on a minor chord), it would sound a whole lot different if you play Ab on F (if it's a IVm which is very common). Learn how the chords work and which note fits where on what situation. And then learn how to connect them.

It really depends on the person who improvises because everyone needs a different comping.
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>>81399929
No problem. I'll be interested to hear your thoughts. Again, they certainly aren't everyone's cup of tea, but there is more depth to them than "that one band that put out two acclaimed folk rock albums in 1970, had a single big hit in 1998, and is beloved by hippies", which is only a fraction of even the basic history of the band.
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>>81400166
*1988 lol
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Could anyone recommend me some great jazz guitar trio albums? Pic related.
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>>81396426
Thanks
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bump
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>>81399894
how do you find a pedal tone? is it just the root over and over whenever it would be musical to do so in the context of someone soloing over it? like to break up the walk?
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So thoughts on the new Coltrane?
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>>81399648
rape yourself
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made this a while back. do with it what you wish
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>>81403017
Depends on the context. If you're playing in a tune in F, sometimes the F is the right pedal tone. Then again, you usually use the pedal tone to create some tension, so a lot of times the root of the V7 will work better as a pedal. Or a tritone away from the I or the V. Just think ahead to see where you're going to end the pedal and play a tone that makes sense leading into whatever that next chord will be.

If the soloist is going "out" you can help build tension with a well-chosen pedal tone. It's also nice because typically with a pedaled note you want to get away from the quarter note rhythms and do some dotted quarters or whatever seems to compliment what the drummer/soloist are doing to help build rhythmic tension too.
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>>81398275
Dead links :(
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Which one? A question I've been thinking about for a few days.
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>>81394280
he's good for getting into jazz.
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>>81391763
Clair de lune by kamasi Washington
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>>81405792
>clair de lune by kamasi washington
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>>81393551
zach brock, i guess. hes got that purple fuckin criss cross record. i cant remember the name but its got purple in it. i dont really like it but its violin hardbop
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>>81394280
show her kind of blue and chet baker
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>>81395573
charlie parker and john coltrane
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>>81396711
i play at a bunch of those jazz workshops at brewerys in town and i cant find a single qt tinder thot
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>>81397318
John Coltrane live at newport 63
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>>81397821
learn scales on horn and how to play melodies by ear. also learn to sing the melodies and play them on piano.
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>>81396711
>implying thots can into anything of quality
take her to a kasami concert and say he played with Kendrick.
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>>81398464
yeah, they were all pretty into coltrane and mccoy specifically. some miles and ornette too i guess. but they all played rock, folk, world, and classical stuff.
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>>81397318
Rahsaan Roland Kirk- Prepare Thyself For A Miracle

buckle in for the last track, tis a good one
also special shoutout to Sonny Fortune on tyner's Sahara
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I need modal piano recs!
I've run out of Bill Evans to listen to.
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>>81404662
this but unironically.
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>>81404662
based
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>>81406147
George Russell and McCoy Tyner
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>>81405792
>claire de lune by kamasi washington
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When did you realize Sun Ra was the greatest musician who ever lived?
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>>81406147
i mean, just "modal"? Bill Evans certainly played modally but it's not the first descriptor that comes to mind when I think about him. Just about everyone after 1960 plays modally at least some of the time. McCoy Tyner, Chick Corea, Herbie Hancock, Keith Jarrett, Andrew Hill, Cedar Walton, Kenny Barron, Kenny Kirkland, Jaki Byard, Alan Pasqua, Joe Sample, George Cables and many others are all good to check out and can play modal stuff.
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>>81404270
it's fine. I'm sure the labels have enough in the vaults to keep leaking these out every now and then. is it as good as the albums he presided over while he was alive? no, but it's still john coltrane, mccoy tyner, jimmy garrison and elvin jones playing jazz really well.
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>>81406284
his flaw is he couldn't employ good enough musicians to keep up with his ingenuity and talent.
take a look at "God Is More Than Love Can Ever Be", the drumming is so behind and played in such a different style than Sun Ra's piano that the whole album feels disjointed, not to mention the bass is next to non existent.
"Liquidity" is a masterpiece tho
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>>81406147
Ahmad Jamal
Keith Jarret
Oscar Peterson
Sun Ra
Herbie Hancock (bop era)
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>>81404662
this is a shitty guide lmao
not to mention
>wikipedia is very useful for finding new albums to listen to
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>>81400758
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/grant-green/green-street-1/
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>>81394046
wrong! Grachan Moncur III exists (who is also the goat composer as well)
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>>81406878
it's meant for you to not be a spoonfed child and actually *explore* the genre for yourself and form your own taste. of course this notion is akin to heresy on this shitstain of a board.
and yes, wikipedia is useful for jazz albums you ignorant faggot, it lists artists discographies in sections so that you can see what albums they play on with other musicians
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>>81405203
thanks anon. yeah i hear paul chambers doing shit like that on the V7 root
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>>81404662
basically how i got into jazz in the mid-2000s in college. also helps if you play an instrument
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>>81407071
whoops! did I anger you?
you don't need a meme/profanity filled guide to tell someone "listen to the performers of jazz albums you like." Everyone does this, it's not exclusive to jazz listeners.
What if someone might be more into fusion? guitar-based jazz? latin jazz? avant-garde jazz? bop-jazz? telling someone to listen "Kind of Blue" is just going to drag them to listen to Modal Jazz and only Modal Jazz.
also, RYM does the same thing but also allows genre/era exploration while wikipedia does not.
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i want to get good as fuck at upright bass and just play straight ahead jazz gigs twice a week for the rest of my life. i am so fucking burnt out on indie/rap/electronic/etc. i don't give a fuck if it's not cool to listen to it's so fucking satisfying to play and when you're with some buddies playing some hip shit at a comfy jazz club it's peak musician feels
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>>81407223
follow your dreams anon, I've seen some of the greatest jazz playing live when it's just 3 buddies jamming out in a crowded, chatter infested tavern.
truly missed out on the peak of this feel
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>>81407186
you dont seem to get that it's meant for "rockists" who have never seriously listened to jazz before. if someone's at the point of being into fusion (gay) or latin jazz or whatever they are beyond this chart.
>also, RYM does the same thing
well bucko if you would look back at that chart you would see that it's listed BEFORE wikipedia, i'd expect an autist to have better reading comprehension
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>>81407326
stop it with the gate keeping and elitism, latin jazz and fusion are completely acceptable genres. Actually, if a rockist is interested in getting into jazz, directing them towards more rock-centered jazz albums would be the easier and more smart way to help get them into jazz, instead of cramming them into a genre they are unfamiliar with.
Also, you named wikipedia twice before mentioning RYM. Having it listed BEFORE doesn't change your favoritism of the shitty site. Stop defending your shitty chart and discuss jazz instead.
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>>81407223
>playing autumn leaves mid-tempo on a crisp late october night in a small pub with your longtime buddies from the local scene. food and drinks on the house, some qt's behind the bar. everyone in a relaxed mood, smiling, laughing, not a care in the world.
jfc the feels
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>>81407186
>bop-jazz
opinion discarded
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>>81407407
>accusing me of gatekeeping when you're talking about a chart i made to help bring people to the genre
stupid
>stop elitism
this board needs more elitism, in case you haven't noticed it's fallen to shit outside of the generals.
>latin jazz and fusion are completely acceptable genres
and i am perfectly entitled to express my opinion on them. i don't care if you like it or not but i think they're corny.
> Actually, if a rockist is interested in getting into jazz, directing them towards more rock-centered jazz albums would be the easier and more smart way to help get them into jazz, instead of cramming them into a genre they are unfamiliar with.
if they wanted something like rock then they'd run into jazz-rock anyways through zappa or someone in a similar vein. and some people want to get into jazz because they want something completely different from what they ordinarily listen to.
>Also, you named wikipedia twice before mentioning RYM. Having it listed BEFORE doesn't change your favoritism of the shitty site
this is so autistic dude. the point of it was find out who the players were. it doesn't fucking matter how you do it.
>Stop defending your shitty chart and discuss jazz instead
stop replying to my posts, autismo
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>>81407731
I can back this nigger up, while I love Zappa I loathe almost alll fusion and jazz-rock. It's so boring and so watered down. Jazz is about the mood and the improvisation and the vibe, rocksists (much like I was) don't understand jazz and the complexities. It's just, muuhhh Majorminor7th flat 9 chord. Muuuuu gorgeous sounding, rather than actually using theory/jazz theory, to make great music. Not to say you don't get fucking bastards like Anthony Braxton, but you get genius like Dolphy. And Dolphy is so fucking far removed from Zappa. To be honest, I'd suggest hard bop to a rockshit to ease them into jazz, that or George Benson.
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>>81407724
this is literally nothing wrong with bop-jazz
>>81407731
>autismo
>projecting this hard
>caring this much about some basic, boring formula for into jazz for rockshits
stop yourself, bud.
>>81407794
I never defended fusion or jazz rock, personally dislike both genres quite heavily. Only defended people's right to like and appreciate them. Too much elitism in jazz.
>I'd suggest hard bop
100% agree, Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream was my gateway drug for jazz.
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>>81399834
thanks mate
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>>81406147
this >>81406510
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Just listened to A Love Supreme.. the first part was ok I guess, the drums esp. I really don't like sax playing though. what do?
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>>81404362
That's more like it
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Kenny Wheeler's Dream Sequence is goat
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>>81392719
Everything is on Soulseek
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>>81397318
https://youtu.be/O-gdOVILABw
The peak of feels+intensity
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>>81404270
Pretty damn good
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>>81397318

Kenny G my man
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>>81405650
Study In Brown, personally. That is, if you're asking about which one I enjoy more.
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Can I please have recs for albums that sound like the beginning of A Love Supreme? Just full albums of that droney, spiritual shit
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>>81412135
Have you listened to this?
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>>81405650
STUDY IN BROWN
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>>81412328
No, but I will. Thank you
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>>81412430
Damn, you're in for an adventure. And if you like that, check out the music of Alice Coltrane - John Coltrane's wife, and a frequent collaborator of Pharoah Sanders. "Journey in Satchidananda" might be up your alley.
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Pretty much had OOBE upon relistening to this a few weeks back like holy fuck this shit incredible.
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>>81399311
Agree. Wynton is great but kinda seems like he has a stick up his ass.
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>>81400758
Friday Night In San Francisco: Di Meola, De Lucia and McLaughlin.
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>>81407407
underrated post
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>>81400758
what kind of west coast boring lookin ass fuck shit is this.
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A lot of greats born in October, I wonder what the stars have to do with this
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>>81412591
I've never actually listened to Alice Coltrane's solo work, only what she recorded with John. I'll look into it, thanks
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>>81412725
Cheesy album cover, but it fits the cheerful mood. Album came out in 1957, back when jazz was a little less depressing. Ray Brown on bass. Fantastic playing all-around.

"The trio derived its Poll Winners moniker from the three musicians' placements in 1956-1957 Down Beat, Metronome, and Playboy readers' polls as best on their respective instruments."

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>jazz general
>130+ on topic replies
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>>81400758
Pat Martino - El Hombre
Matt Chandler - Astrometrics
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>>81391763
I REALLY enjoyed miles davis' Kind of Blue mostly because of how organized the each track was, but for most other jazz albums like a Love Supreme i cant really get into it because of how cluttered it sounds to me. Any other albums which i would probably enjoy?
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>>81412631
And somehow he was the one chosen to help spearhead the PBS Jazz documentary about 20 years ago too
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>>81413468
'art blakey - moanin' would be perfect for you
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>>81413468
Study In Brown and try Blue Train
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>>81412610
Whoa this is some fucking flames
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9bOPn-s_Ek
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>>81413468
Any Bill Evans Album (i.e Village Vanguard, Waltz for Debby, Portrait in Jazz, etc)
some early Blakey (Ugetsu, Moanin', )
Dave Brubeck - Time Out
Just to name a few
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>>81415404
>time out
Gtfo whitey
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but did you know that 80's Henry Threadgill is some dope shit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1NKMV9YlWc
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>>81415546
what's with the hostility lad?
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Can anyone recommend a jazz player similar to ornette Coleman?


And was anyone else similar to Django Reinhardt?
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Best live non-Mingus Eric Dolphy recordings?
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>>81415679
Well if you are into free jazz/avant-garde then Pharaoh Sanders
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>>81415615
Hostility for that lame album and the white kids who recommend it, trying to pose as if they know anything about jazz without realizing that they're actually outing themselves as clueless plebs
>but muh odd time signatures

>>81415552
Second that
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>>81415832
t. nigger
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>>81415821
Pharoah and Ornette do not have much in common. Pharoah is much more in the "cosmic" vibe whereas Ornette essentially invented a different language of sorts for improvisation. No one is quite like him but his "harmolodic" philosophy is highly influential. Check out musicians that played with him, especially his early sidemen. Don Cherry, Charlie Haden and his Quartet West and Liberation Music Orchestra, Ed Blackwell. Dewey Redman is another saxophonist who worked with ornette and has made music in a similar vein. Check out Dewey on this Keith Jarrett American Quartet record Fort Yawuh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBSIwY2sf0Q&list=PL-prhSyI4FeZ7iqiQgtWredZ0bn4K1i0M
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>>81415832
>he only knows Take Five
>being this new
Pick up sticks is by far the best piece in that album
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>>81408211
no one calls it bop jazz nog, it's called bebop or post-bop or hard bop or bop. No one calls it bop jazz
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>>81416154
Isnt bebop and bop the same thing (just an abbreviation)?
Also, what makes a piece post-bop? Is it like tonal hard-bop but with some modal sound added?
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https://archive.org/details/gd1975-03-23.sbd.miller.110126.flac16/gd75-03-23d1t01.flac

Is this jazz fusion?
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>>81415742
Last Date
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>>81415832
I will never understand this kind of aggressive insecure faggotry
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>>81416259
bebop and bop are the same thing, but I was pointing out I've never heard it called that. Post-bop is kind of like the inbetween of avant-garde/free jazz and bebop/hard bop. Hard bop tends to be more straight forward, post-bop pushes the boundaries of the harmonies and the structures but it was still structured. Mingus did a lot of that and Coltrane did also. But it can incorporate modal harmonies. The best was I can honestly say to tell the difference is listening to tons of jazz and then you'll be able to see on the scale ho far out it does.
>>81415742
Easy
>Outward Bound
>Far Cry
>Out to Lunch
>Iron Man
>At the Five Spot Vol. 1 & 2
>In Europe Vol. 1 & 2
>ED & BL Memmorial Album (five spot vol 3)
to be honest really anything Dolphy touched I think is worth a listen. The only albums I've heard he's played on I'm not a fan of (or indifferent) are
>The Three Faces of Chico
>Just Jazz!
>Pony's Express
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>>81415679

don't forget to check out Old and New Dreams that was a bunch of Ornette's acoustic period sidemen playing in that style when Ornette had switched to electric free funk - also Joshua Redman's new tribute album Still Dreaming is great even though Joshua typically doesn't play like his father Dewey or in the Ornette style in general

for sax players, maybe try Dewey Redman, Roscoe Mitchell, Steve Coleman, Oliver Lake, David Murray
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>>81416051
Pick up sticks is mediocre unswinging normiecore like the rest of that album
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>>81417729
Still Dreaming is positively fantastic, Joshua Redman can absolutely play with such freedom it feels liberating. Try the classic Mostly Other People Fo The Killing quartet, with Peter Evans, Jon Irabagon, Moppa Elliot, Kevin Shea.
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>>81396711
>go to free-jazz shows with girl who has a crush on me but already has a bf
end my life
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>>81391763
Did jazz renditions of popmusic and filmscores fall out of favor? I liked that tradition
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Can someone list songs that sound and have similar mood to that of basin street blues
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>>81410760
you're right anon my bad
thank
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>>81420407
Pop music it's kinda been mostly Stevie Wonder, Beatles, Nirvana and Radiohead, film music has kinda disappeared.
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Can you guys recommend some good pieces of trumpet jazz?
I'm kinda new on jazz, but I liked modal era Miles Davis.
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>>81405650
both?
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>>81421383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktU_X7CDaBM
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>>81406878
People like you are why there will never be world peace
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>>81412135
Listen to https://youtu.be/ep5s0EvudRg and cry
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more like this piece? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM9ovZ4g518
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>>81394046
It's probably JJ. Best is probably either Robin Eubanks or Conrad Herwig. They've both just absolutely shattered the limits of the instrument
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>>81399876
I hate to give this advice, but transcribe. If you don't want to do that just listen to a shit ton of a bass player(s) you like. You gotta get their sound in your head.
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>>81404662
Some people will probably ignore it cause of your writing style, but it's good advice.
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>>81406510
A lot of Bill's chords were technically modal when you're talking theory. Especially the harmonizations and rootless voicings he used
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>>81423052
i think my main issue is not knowing the fretboard well enough to voice lead properly. i skip around to find roots and that just creates really bullshit lines. yeah transcribing is a bitch but probably would help me learn quicker. if i just spend an hour each day practicing this i hopefully will be good in a year or two. it's a long term thing.

soloing is a whole different beast, i'm totally fucked in that regard. i can crush a modal tune with a couple chords but even blues i get lost on the changes and start playing bullshit arpeggios, just doesn't sound like jazz at all..
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>>81423143
>technically modal
all chords are "technically modal", learn theory before you talk about it
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>>81413559
>>81413772
>>81415404
Thanks heaps ill give em a look
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>>81423199
There are some really good books on walking bass lines you can buy and work from, that'd probably help. My friend had one I forget the name of, but Adam Neely recommends one in his video about books he likes.

>>81423341
I mean if you wanna talk about Evan's use of Lydian chromatic concept in his voicings I'm game, but it sounds like you think you know more than you do. Just cause you think you know a bit about theory doesn't mean you should be trying to shit on people. There's already enough misinformation out there without you contributing.
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Bump
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What ways can you improve your rhythm beyond just practicing to a metronome/playing with other musicians?
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>>81423678
>Lydian chromatic concept credited to Bill Evans
yikes
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>>81423678
>Evan's use of Lydian chromatic concept in his voicings
Explain to me this use of Lydian chromatic concept in his voicings
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>>81394046
#3 behind grachan and clifford thornton (this might be cheating but whom care)
>>81406943
yes thank you
man I read an old interview with him from like 2004 on allaboutjazz where he talked about being good friends with monk during Monk's final few years and how distraught monk was, and how hes been feeling the same way that monk did and how he isn't financially stable and is depressed and shit and im ngl shit fucked me up, like hes such an amazing musician he doesnt deserve money problems like that :(
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>>81424528
I'll back him up, the story goes Miles and Gil talked to George Russell and that inspired him to use modal harmonies on Kind of Blue.
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let's discuss how post-bop isn't a real genre

>no consistent set of characteristics across post-bop albums besides being made after 1960
>all post-bop is either avant-garde jazz, modal jazz, or hard bop with like an organ or something
seriously people out here calling Larry Young's Unity post-bop when its literally a normal fucking hard bop album with an organ
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>>81424525
literally changing my words. stay mad

>>81424528
So Evans was famous for among other things playing rootless voicings. So he'd play a Cmaj7, but he'd leave out the C. Instead the bass player would play it. He eventually took this further and he would still have the bass player play the root, but he would instead of harmonizing with the exact note of Cmaj7 he would slip around all of the notes of a C major scale. Basically as long as C was being played by the bass player he had much more freedom with his voicings.

This gave his chords a more "floaty" feeling since they were more ambiguous and less about a tonic and dominant relation.

It's been a few years since I went over this stuff, it's a lot of stuff a prof of mine learned about while in jazz grad school, so you'll have to forgive me if I'm being a little light on details.
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>>81424814
Where did he get the idea for modal harmonies
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>>81394329
this
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>>81424890
I think from Miles or George Russel, I believe they all knew each other and they definitely talked about this stuff.

Modal harmonies are about getting rid of the tonic and dominant relationship so instead of having this relationship of being at rest, not being at rest, or pointing back to rest you have this great ambiguity. You're in the tonic of whatever mode you're in, but no sense of rest or being pointed to or away from anything. Conversely functional harmony is all about those relationships.
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>>81425236
He got it from Russel, and discussed it with Miles, who also got the idea from Russel.
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>>81424814
That has nothing to do with anything "Lydian" or Chromatic." You're just talking about rootless voicings.

Bill Evans certainly wasn't the first to add the implied chord extensions. You add all the notes from a C major scale to a CMaj7 chord if you assume it includes the 9th, 11th, and 13th. Except that typically you're going to play the #11th in a major chord. Maybe this is where you're getting confused about a Lydian concept?
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>>81424627
Wow. It's almost like subgenres are generally vague and ill-defined. You're definitely the first person to ever realize this.

You could make this kind of argument about basically any jazz subgenre.
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>>81409562
try blue train and if you don't like that skip listening to coltrane for a couple months.
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>>81424336
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>>81425758
>>81425758
The Lydian chromatic concept of tonal organization is a harmonic theory written by George Russell, but it has nothing to do with the concept of rootless voicings. He namedropped it to flex as if he had superior knowledge of Bill Evans and modality.
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Obligatory
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>>81425758
It does. The LCC isn't just lydian or chromatic, it's an entire way of thinking about harmony and modality away from the system of functional harmony and tonic dominant relationships.

The difference between Evan's use of harmony and basic extensions is that you can harmonize entire sections of a piece more freely as long as you're staying within one tonic. So a ii V I goes from being 3 different chords with a subdominant, dominant, tonic feel to one kinda macro chord with 3 different voicings that all kinda imply various shades of the tonic, but a more ambiguous sense of being at or away from the the actual tonic.

It comes down to modal harmony not pointing you in any real direction while functional harmony explicitly does.
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>>81426866
You’re still oversimplifying. Evans played some modal tunes occasionally, especially with Miles Davis. But mostly Evans sticks to functional harmony, regardless of his rootless voicings.
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So lads, what is the best Jazz Messenger album?
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>>81427098
I know he played more than just modal tunes. What I'm talking about basically allows a modal feel over functional progressions. As long as a tune is staying with in a key center for a few changes you can use this to give a modal feel to non modal changes.

So all the things you are goes from
F-7 Bb-7 Eb7 Abmaj Dbmaj7 D-7 G7 C

to
Ab major-ish then C major-ish.
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>>81427391
Now you’re just talking about diatonicism. The whole reason why the vi ii V I progression is a thing is because all of the notes in those chords are diatonic to major scale of the I chord. Once again players were doing this for years before anybody had heard of Bill Evans and it has nothing to do with modality.
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>>81394046
No. Bill Watrous. RIP.
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>>81427132
Cafe Bohemia.
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>>81427391
>>81427641
Noob question, how is All the things you are in the key of Ab maj and not F min?
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>>81427831
The tune ends in a ii V I in Ab
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>>81423678
dude i just really listened to ron carter for the first time like actually focusing on what he's doing... holy fuck. he just gave me like 70 new ideas in one tune. i'm coming over from guitar so i've always focused on every other instrument besides bass, it's gonna be so fun to go thru all of these classics and dissect them.
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>>81427641
you're not understanding me. Those chords are diatonic, but normally they give a sense of tonic dominant and subdominant. The point is to do away with that. Modal tunes usually have one chord, because there is no functional harmony just different key centers. Bill's style was to bring that to tunes that had functional harmony and instead make them feel more modal and harmonically ambiguous.

>>81427933
haha that's awesome man glad you're fired up.

>>81427831
Ab major, Eb7 to Ab major is the big give away also what >>81427881 they said.
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>>81393551
Ornette Coleman plays violin in foxhole
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>>81394046
The fuckin man, "an ant stepped on an elephants toe" is my tinder anthem
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>>81427970
he (carter) is a genuine god-tier jazz musician. it's like the first time you really click with any of the jazz giants and get why they're legends
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>>81427831
Fmin7 at the beginning acts as the vi of Abmaj
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>>81396233

>Stuff like BADBADNOTGOOD

Check out Dawn of Midi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4lkK-vSco
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>>81428063
Mine was Hank Mobley. If I can play anywhere near as melodically as he does I'll die a happy man.
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>a thread on /mu/ with intellegent discussion and thoughtful reccomendations
/jazz/ truly is a cool place
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>>81428194
you play sax? i dabbled for a couple months last year but have really gravitated toward bass lately. one day i'll pick it back up. mobley is a beast. i'd say wes montgomery was the guy who made me a jazz fan. his tone and feel are up there with anyone on any instrument
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>>81427970
>>81427881
>>81428130
cant the fm7 be interpreted as the I, since most songs start with the I chord? Also, is the Dbmaj7 the iv in this case? Is that quite common, not ending the key to the tonic?
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the new lloyd / williams collab was alright

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pIacktNYuY
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>>81428541
i'm with you. i can't really hear it as being in Ab
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>>81428555
a very positive surprise - a big improvement over the previous Marvels album, really like bill frisell's playing here
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>>81428263
underage posters dont listen to jazz
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>>81429284
They do though.
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Anyone familiar?
https://mega.nz/#F!ZbogUI6R!lg13aXyGjtVxF7nwosOeqw
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More like this, instrumentally or vocally
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>>81425970
Yeah I enjoyed that less... I have to look for something sax-less I think
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>>81429615
Maybe this is up your alley?
https://mega.nz/#F!RHhCmQQK!HnnLYLSfbfYEdmqOpj5Zhw
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wow a jazz thread actually took off

i listen to jazz a lot, and have been for a while now. i post these as my bangers

>jazzlantis - The 90's, from Finland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kJJXqihboE

>summertime, the ballad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbMXA1YMRpU

>summertime, the aggro rock jam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEftw9o1joo

>lennie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSvxH92K7Q4

>evans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xElBE7JwJSk

>everything everything was to become decades prior to it being anything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQKt7DTKyJU
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how do I get into jazz
I like Tyler the Creator and Hiatus Kaiyote
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>>81425758
other guy who will not claim to be expert on the theory, but AFAIK this idea of #11th being preferred in a major chord was one of the ideas behind George Russel's Lydian Chromatic Concept that did influence a lot of modal jazz thinking later on - Russel's idea was that all Western chords and harmony were ultimately based on the tonal gravity of Lydian due to Lydian being the scale you get if you take the first 7 notes you get by stacking fifths up from the tonic

definitely stuff that's over my head, but still fascinating to try to understand
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>>81391763
was I the only one to write something about the previous /blindfold/? is there any demand for another?

I can do one later today if someone wants to listen now that we have a nice big /jazz/ thread for a change - maybe post fewer tracks at a time and space them out to make it a smaller task to contribute
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>>81412610
weird production on this though.
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>>81404362
good comeback. I completely submit to your incisive critique.
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>>81430757
listen to BBNG, Kamasi Washington to continue with your taste
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>>81431123
I'm down, post one, I'll do the current one now...
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>>81431277
Okay, can't download this thread's blindfold, but make one, I can also make one.
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>>81416051
actually that would be strange meadowlark
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Posting a few favourites. Used to DJ all these years ago:

Mike Gibbs - And on the Third Day (Brit. Big Band Slow Groove - amazing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOF6ua09uR4
Full album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGgJjxFWeTM

Barre Phillips - Mountainscapes (THE essential ECM '1' series LP. Uncategorisable. basically Phillips/Surman/martin 'The Trio' plus a keyboard player whose names escapes me.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYitzZCTmB8&list=PLaey_zM7o5IOOFwvBs1u5Mprbonj_rcGp

Roy Brooks - The Free Slave:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HnUNNiTn9k (speaks for itself)

Charles Kynard - Reelin with the Feelin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LvUlimvYRk (particulary Boogalooin' @18:47)

Charles Rouse - Two is One (incl Hopscotch @ 7:18 - in my top 5 of all time)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUYc__M1Qc4

Jeremy Steig - Legwork (first Jazz album I ever bought. Includes the famous Beastie Boys sample)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etOrYtQ3EGc&list=PLxdC3Htk7wSe6SIEsswjw2bEj9EZXljK3

Nucleus - We'll Talk About it Later (Jazz Rock at it's finest, esp. the opener)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC2QUELg59k

John Surman - Dance (From his Eponymous first. Brit Baritone sax giant)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8URNKeaZjw8

Elton Dean's Ninesense - Seven for Lee (The Soft Machine Soprano player's ensemble. My fave jazz tune ever. Also - dat cover)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn7q32lVVuU

Elvin Jones - Somebody's Rockin my Jazzboat (from New Agenda - seldom gets a hearing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ_iBGmvyvM

George Russell - Electronic Sonata for Sould Loved by Nature (From his Norwegian collaborations. Astounding stuff)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lbFwrfrymw

Robin Kenyatta - Girl from Martinique (On ECM's '1' series, and his best album (his others were dodgy, 'Gypsy Man' notwithstanding. This has Fred braceful and Wolfgang Dauner all over it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjehhmUFGG0
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>>81428541
It's all about the resolution my man. The melody starts on Ab and resolves to an Ab chord. The whole tune is sort of a study on secondary dominants
you technically can't have a I chord with a dominant 7 because it is neither diatonically accurate nor resolved, it wants to lead to another chord
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Bassists, help a bassist with a lack of music theory. How do you walk a line without planning it out first? I can't play and leaen standards unless I practically write a bass line. How do I improvise without losing track of the chords and having it sound like nonsense?
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>>81426772
of course
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>>81428270
I play piano, actually. Before him I liked jazz but my solos were fucking horrendous, I just played scales with no regards for harmony or melody. After him my soloing and even the comping has gotten a lot more melodic.
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>>81431123
No, another guy wrote it. I forgot which ones were the exact ones, but there was the Miles version, EST Plays Monk, an Ahmad Jamal version, Joe Henderson in Japan, one with Lee Konitz and Brad Mehldau, one with Chick Corea off Trio Music, the one by Tim Warfield in Spherical, there was a big band vibes one from Big Bags, it ended with a Monk version, and I can't remember if that was it.

I'm the guy that made it, but I'm right now on the middle of a trip, can't upload shit.
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>>81431757
I spoke about it here >>81400127 a bit.

Can you improvise a bass line over a jazz blues form?

if not, make sure you learn all the chords really good, and make sure you have the chord tones good as well, and practice it. Try to write some, that's really good aswell. This will improve your theory knowledge greatly.

btw I can believe this is still up, how nice.
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>>81428208
based tia fuller right?
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>>81428063
Something I really like about Ron Carter is that he's not at all that technically effiicient, he doesn't have the absolute best time feel (there are recordings of the 2nd quintet where he's even on the beat), but he always sounds amazing. He's such an intuitive and natural musician, it just flows from him. Someone who really reminds me of him today is Joe Sanders.
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>>81431422
thanks anon.
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>>81432278
same with Danny Thompson
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Does anybody have more of the Down Beat magazine scans? The ones in the OP link are just for the year 1960 and I remember seeing stuff from other years posted here a long time ago.
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>>81428541
Other than what >>81431440 said, I suggest that in jazz, don't think about something a song like this (this song is in C because it has I-ii-iii-IV-V-vi-vii of C), most of the time it will actually goes like (this song is in C because it starts/ends/has so many I-ii-iii-IV-V-vi-vii of C chords). Then you think about the 'non member chords' of C as something that has functional harmony with other chords of C key

For example, this very generic made up progressions of mine in C goes like :
C7-F7-Bb7-A7/Eb7-Dm7-G7/Db7/Dbdim-Cmaj7

C7 is the fifth of F7, F7 is the fifth of Bb7, Bb7 is the fifth of Eb7. In C key, A7 is the VI7 of C while the Eb7 is the same as A7 because of the tritone substitutions. A7 is the VI and will want to lead to ii which is Dm7, then ii want to lead to V of C (which is G7, the Db7/Dbdim is the tritone substitution chords often used), then finally the G7 is the fifth of C and the song ends

Because this song has so many chords of C key, also it starts and end in C, hence why this song is in C. The Bb, Eb, and Db chords are functionally correct chords used as harmony to ANOTHER CHORDS, not to TONIC

>you technically can't have a I chord with a dominant 7 because it is neither diatonically accurate nor resolved, it wants to lead to another chord
want to add that actually every chords that contain diminished chords will usually still feel like leading somewhere
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>>81429284
most of the blindfold were like 16 - 19
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>>81432857
Also jazz often use ''non member'' chords of a certain key but if you can grasp this, soon you can differentiate whether the key is actually still the same or move around. This is important because jazz/animu songs often move the original key to something else
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>>81429666
maybe try the title track off My Favorite Things.

I think the thing about getting into Coltrane is that at first he really appears to be a wall of sound, you just need to start hearing the melody that he's playing with. My favorite things might be a good place to go because you surely know the melody and he does a lot of fun stuff with it.

Then again I wouldn't stress out aobut it. Jazz isn't an easy genre to get into, and there is such a wide variety of styles that if you don't "get" something you should just move to the next one.

always come back in a few months/years and try again, jazz knowledge and understanding build quickly.
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>>81432647
I think jtg used to post random things from his personal collection but I don’t know if he ever posted other scans of whole issues.
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>>81433056
Huh, that explains why I always felt Japanese music had a borderline theatrical style to it, harmonically it's basically a standard from Gershwin or Berlin.
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>>81432930
Most of /mu/ is in their late teens and at best early 20's.
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>>81433932
think youd be surprised.
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>>81433092
have you heard the Alice Coltrane version?
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>>81431123
well, let's see if there's /blindfold/ interest

>>81434311

posting tracks in three installments (3+3+4) to hopefully keep threshold to participate low and keep it fresh for people who see it later - reveals coming in about 42 hours or so
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/Jazz/ ,what do your practice routines look like? I'm trying to create a routine so I don't just practice aimlessly (piano player).
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>>81391763
>only really listen to hip hop
>tfw just bought a pair of sennheiser HD650 (for a steal)
> Realise how good other genres are

I just started listening to Miles Davis and Herbie Hancock and the quality and instrument seperation is mind blowing.
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>>81400758
New walter smith iii album is the shit
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>>81415552
Incredibly good shit.
>>81435379
Not a guitar trio though
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>>81399493
you goddamn annoying hippies, get your wax and your fucking vapes get outta here.
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>>81435646
>>81399112
>>81398862
>>81398464
>>81435646
Fuck the Grateful dead
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>>81430757
Herbie Hancock’s “Head Hunters” then “Maiden Voyage” and “Inventions and Dimensions”
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>>81435646
Bro the black violinist is the best member of the Dead, it's a shame he's not on a ton of studio albums.
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>>81435725
>Maiden Voyage, not Emyprean Isles
yikes
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>>81435748
You can’t be serious
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>>81435781
fucking boomer
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>>81398464
a Finnish jammy, meditative jazz/blues group covered Dead's Blues for Allah this year, so I'll just post it here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKppV7BN5Vk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv2wGPL-jAk
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>>81435660
the edge
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>>81435646
>>81435660
this

Garbage hippie dadrock that has nothing to do with jazz in the slightest
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What's the best Grant Green album? Probably my favorite guitar player ever. He's so subtle on melodies yet so crazy on rythm. Never heard anyone mini-sliding so beautifully.
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>>81416639
No this isn't jazz fusion at all in the slightest.

It's bland fucking shitty ass dadrock. Jesus christ do you have ears? Nothing remotely jazz about this garbage at all. Just boring fucking pop shit.

Jesus christ, why do you fucking hippies act like they were some wide genre-spanning group. All their fucking music sounds exactly the same.

Grateful Dead fans really are retarded. Please get out of these threads if you're going to post that shit. Miles would be laughing at your honky ass.
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>>81438721
wew come down lad
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>>81438792
>>81438721
I meant calm*
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>>81438792
>>81438817
It's true though you moron

stinky hippies out

you have no CLUE what REAL jazz is
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>>81438905
>REAL jazz
Oh it's that guy.
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>>81434358
>learn a song in 12 keys and maybe modes also if i feel especially saucy
>learn a lick in 12 keys
>fuck around with scales and arpeggi
>try improvising over a song in 12 keys
>play some classical etudes
i'm just a trumpet player though, i'm ass at piano. besides practicing melodies it would be smart to play through a song and then play it again with entirely different chord voicings, and repeat as desired
also if you pedal a tonal center you can get away with doing a bunch of weird atonal stuff with your right hand
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>>81435660
this
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So Ive been listening to a lot of Latin Jazz of Late /mu/

artists like Tito Puente, Ivan Lins and Paulinho da Costa and I was wondering if anyone might have some other recommendations for "essential listening" when it comes to Latin and Cuban Jazz.

Im discovering a subgenre of Jazz that I hadnt given a whole lot of thought to and I kinda feel ashamed that I havent listened to more of it up untill now.
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>>81439180
you should detour to Brazil as well.
spesh the '60's.
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>>81439279

who would you recommend? any particular albums?
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>>81439340
Not him but I highly reccomend;
Laurindo Almeida - classical currents (guitar)
Walter Wanderley - Rainforest (piano)

Bossa nova is a wonderful genre killed by the elevator music meme. Stupid people.
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>>81439586

thanks, i'll check them out
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>>81439650
The laurindo almeida - classical currents is a bit hard to find. Luckily the link is still up in the comments of the full album on youtube. Godspeed brother.
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>>81439340
depends how jazz you want things. there was a lot of folk mixed in. maybe start with quarteto novo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snwlE_51bME

Dom Um Romao:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWOUDNHc7g

Vinicius de Moraes and Baden Powell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXOJnnWaDnc

Actually Baden Powell was astounding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSUNbvb-DWg

Hermeto Paschoal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGqWRias96M

Os Bossa Tres:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSdqKTWssP0

Jorge Ben - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPENGb-FG5E (everyone recognises the first tune)
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>>81439721

Im listening to Classical currents now, good shit and I recognise the lamp is low track from somewhere...

a friend of mine also pointed me towards https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNYOVEXJBBM

>>81439803
Ive bookmarked everything here to listen to after im done with classical currents
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>>81439803
pretty much every tune off the Jorge Ben album has been covered by another Brazilian artist. Incredibly influential.
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>>81435660
Agreed. If you like them, just fucking kys
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>>81439340
I've recently started delving into Brazilian music and was really stunned by this bossa-nova guitar album - À Vontade by Baden Powell. Highly recommended.
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FUCK THE GRATEFUL DEAD
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>>81439986
yeah that's a Beauty!
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>>81439986
also the 'swings with Jimmy Pratt lp is great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cbdkiza8Ts
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>>81439180
go check out Eddie Palmieri NOW
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>>81439180
My favorite Latin jazz album and probably one of my favorite overall jazz releases in recent years.

>>81439279
Cuban jazz > Brazilian jazz
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>>81439340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V17cv2sELzM
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the grateful dead shouldn't even be mentioned here.

they're have as much to do with jazz as nickleback
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>>81439898
Lamp is low is an old song itself. But you heard it from nujabes' arurian dance from samurai champoo. Enjoy, its an amazing album. I jam on -my reverie- everyday
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>>81440407
Which blue note album cover is this parodying? I thought it was art blakey at first but it’s not that one apparently.
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>>81440407
Perhaps (debatable). But the Brazilians know how to write a tune that never ever leaves you. Never got that from Cuban music.
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>>81440443

Miles opened for them a number of times in the 70s. He was trying to find an audience for his late fusion stuff. But his late fusion stuff isn’t nearly as good as his early fusion. Got way too free.

>neu
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>>81440407
>>81440620
brazilians write better chord progressions, cubans write better dance tunes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPZzsWOWreA
I got to spend some time with Elio recently, he's a fantastic pianist and a cool dude in general
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>>81440407
>Cuban jazz > Brazilian jazz
completely different genres it's like saying bebop > cuban jazz
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>>81440703
YES ITAI KRISS!!!!

he is such a beast!!! love him
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>>81440722
But Cuban jazz is intricately linked to bebop and so they’re hard to compare for that reason. Cuban jazz and Brazilian jazz are comparable to me. Cuban folk music and Brazilian folk music are not.
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>>81440586
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>>81440796
I don't see any resemblance between them, cuban jazz (I assume you also include salsa in this), is way more percussive and isn't brazillian jazz just bossa nova?
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>>81440703
sweet.
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>>81440862
>'just' -

there's a lot of variation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nyZram3_nw

also see>>81439803
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more cubano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44dUAruBdwE

looks like we're well past bump limit lads. go home and shed
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>>81440970
sounds nothing like cuban "jazz" or cuban music to me. this is pure brazillian.
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>>81441160
>>81440970
I just want to point out that I'm not trying to "outknowledge" you or whatever lol.

I just don't see any resemblance between the genres and I don't like it when Latin music is all grouped together like it's the same thing. I hate it when people tell me to "play a latin bassline" because that means so much stuff and it's just ignorant to assume their the same because they come from latin america. It's a very rich continent filled with music.
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>>81431757
i'm in the same boat about struggling to learn jazz bass lines but thankfully i know a little bit of theory. you really do need to learn all of your chords and chord tones for major, minor, and dominant jazz chords. 1/3/5/7. then you want to learn how to use chromatic notes to musically approach the next chord from the chord you're on. i'm slowly figuring it out but i get lost all the time too. it's something that will probably take a year of daily practice to really get it under your fingers. i'm definitely better than i was 2 months ago by practicing a little every day. at this point just pick a standard and start with the root and 5th of every chord and slowly add in 3rd and 7th and then spend a couple months making lines with combinations of those 4 chord tones.
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>>81434358
>warm up and work on technique for 10 mins
>scales/arps for 20 mins
>work on tunes for 30 mins
>sight read 10 mins
>fuck around after if i'm still feeling like playing.
always use a metronome. stop if you get bored. 30 minutes of practice a day every day crushes 4 hours of practice twice a week.
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>>81434425
check out maiden voyage for sure if you haven't.
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It's been a good thread, lads.
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>>81438721
>being this fucking clueless
you should leave /mu/ and find another hobby nigger. the dead were absolutely as good as advertised. if anything they are underrated in current year. stop using criteria for jazz or rock to talk about a jam band, it's retarded.




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