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Caruso Edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp55O332pHo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8cU6PEv_Fs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXRPiGfoRfU

Previous >>83778007

>General Folder #1. Renaissance up to 20th century/modern classical. Also contains a folder of live recordings/recitals by some outstanding performers.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
>General Folder #2. is kill. rip Papillons
>General Folder #3. Mostly 20th century/modern with other assorted bits and pieces
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w
>General Folder #4. Renaissance up to early/mid-20th century. Also contains a folder of Scarlatti sonate and another live recording/recital folder.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!kMpkFSzL!diCUavpSn9B-pr-MfKnKdA
>General Folder #5. Renaissance up to late 19th century
https://mega.co.nz/#F!ekBFiCLD!spgz8Ij5G0SRH2JjXpnjLg
>General Folder #6. Very eclectic mix
https://mega.co.nz/#F!O8pj1ZiL!mAfQOneAAMlDlrgkqvzfEg
>General Folder #7. kill
>General Folder #8. The anon who made this loves the yellow piss of DG on his face. Also there's some other stuff in here.
https://mega.nz/#F!DlRSjQaS!SzxR-CUyK4AYPknI1LYgdg
>Renaissance Folder #1. Mass settings
https://mega.co.nz/#F!ygImCRjS!1C9L77tCcZGQRF6UVXa-dA
>Renaissance Folder #2. Motets and madrigals (plus Leiden choirbooks)
https://mega.co.nz/#F!il5yBShJ!WPT0v8GwCAFdOaTYOLDA1g
>Debussy. There is not an accompanying chart, not available on request.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!DdJWUBBK!BeGdGaiAqdLy9SBZjCHjCw
>Opera Folder. Contains recorded video productions of about 10 well-known operas, with a bias towards late Romantic
https://mega.co.nz/#F!4EVlnJrB!PRjPFC0vB2UT1vrBHAlHlw
>Random assortment of books on music theory and composition, music history etc.
https://mega.nz/#F!HsAVXT5C!AoFKwCXr4PJnrNg5KzDJjw
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Well I prefer this one.
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Guten taaaag!
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Gesualdo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2euVC99bUc
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Corelli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V7H6m63Lkk
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Blasting this right now scriabinfags should take note
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>>83855319
BASED!!!!
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>>83856747
Now i'm blasting this
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Tartini

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag_CaAviyPE
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I just gave this a listen again and I don't remember what I disliked about it. I fucking loved it now. Goes right next to my favorite Giovanni, also my Muti.
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>>83858103
try don juan
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Classical facts of the week:
· Bartok often composed in the nude at his piano
· Bartok orchestrated by ear
· Bartok had a 9 incher when only half-roused
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petzold
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>trolling rap music in a thread
>gets over 100 replies
Why I am so based?
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>>83859830
*am I
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Strauss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfjo8WSRWjw
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>>83860766
Thick and creamy Strauss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcXf0DD67gA
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>>83857623
Now this, its been a good day of just listening to piano works
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>>83859830
>>83859780
>>83858788
Based & Redpilled
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should I be listening to operas or watching them?
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>>83862823
Depends if you care about the plot, whether you understand the language or if you are just listening to the voices as instruments.
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>>83863777
did you write this anon? its very nice.
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>>83863948
i found an old project that had two different attempts at an improvised melody... i tried putting them together and they sounded better than the song itself
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>>83862823
>>83862823
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxvyaapBcq4
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>>83862823
Well, opera is a combination of theater and music, although the music is usually more important. Personally I like to watch an opera at least once so I understand the plot and how the drama and music interact. If you don't want to do that, you should at least glance over the libretto/ a plot summary as you listen. After that it doesn't matter; if I know the opera's plot well enough then I will listen to purely audio recordings of it.
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>>83862823
For start you dont even listen to opera it is the soundcloud rap of classical
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>>83863995
based xenochronic anon
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>>83862823
watch them first, then listen to recordings since they're generally superior. there aren't too many DVD produtions out there with amazing casts. it does happen, but it's rare, especially these days.
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>>83853383
I have become ever more fascinated by Hindemith's, Bartok's and Mozart's chamber works. Why is the Kegelstatt Trio so... beautiful in its apparent simplicity?
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Throwing my semi-threadly announcement for a loop: I am listening to Wallingford Riegger
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>>83857623
the transcendental etudes are mad
have you heard Jenő Jandó's recordings?
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https://youtu.be/lmSqUacp7U0
thoughts?
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>>83869288
I remember listening to his arrangement in the past and enjoying it.
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HIP is cancer
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Brahms? More like yawns.
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Kuhnau

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOz1NWeGi5E
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Böhm's the best
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>>83871882
OFFICIAL /classical/ TOP 5 BEST AND WORST CONDUCTORS
BEST:
1. Furtwangler (up to like 1949)
2. Karl Böhm
3. George Szell
4. Otto Klemperer
5. Clemens Krauss
WORST:
1. Rene Jacobs
2. Harnoncourt
3. Furtwangler after like 1950)
4. Celibidache
4. Knappy (makes me nappy)
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>>83871934
I'm guessing you will soon be diagnosed with a congested colon.
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>>83871934
who cares about guys swinging sticks? isn't it better to discuss actual musicians?
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>>83872252
t. Jacobs
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>>83872252
Well you rarely get to be a conductor without being an accomplished musician first, but maybe discuss actual music and not celebrities worship.
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Why is /classical/ always so quiet
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>>83872513
Low population
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>>83869288
i like Stokowski a lot overall but his Bach stuff is too cheesy even for me.
>>83871934
honestly i don't really care for Böhm too much, he has some really good standout recordings here and there, but a lot of his output feels dull to me. Szell is alright but he tried too hard to copy Toscanini's articulation. Krauss is ok i guess.

Furt post-50 isn't that bad either, just a lot more boring overall, but he still turned in some pretty great Brahms recordings and i do like the Walkure he turned in before he died. Celibidache is only really bad when he arrives in Munich (Cobra is a million times worse)
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>>83872745
>Cobra
Oh yes the 2 hour long Beethoven 9th guy
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Handel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZtmD_t5MaU
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>>83871934
When you have a moment you could get off that german stick you have inside your ass
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>>83874144
It's not my fault that's how the objective rankings ended up
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>>83872513
that's how you are supposed to enjoy classical music and don't even think about coughing right now
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>>83874365
*ahem*
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>>83874365
*crinkles cough drop wrapper*
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>>83874365
I just can't help it god damn it I have to cough sometimes
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>>83874409
DON'T COUGH
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>>83871934
>Rene Jacobs
Listen to his St. Matthew Passion faggot
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Where do I start with elgar my boys
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>>83874690
symphony no 1 and the cello concerto
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>>83874630
No. I've listened to his Figaro, Giovanni, and worst of all his 41st already.
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>>83874886
Haven't heard those two. His Idomeneo and Clemenza are great, his Cozi was annoying, but if you don't like them that's all the recommendation needed because you're such a tasteless faggot. I don't think he does the comic aspect of Mozart well, he is far too po-faced and serious.
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>>83874980
Oh yeah I heard his Zauberflöte too. And it's trash what a surprise
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>>83874144
I was gonna include Toscanini, Monteux and Mackerras there but just didn't
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Maderna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXkyW5pAqcg
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>>83856117
>Bruno Maderna
Oh yeah man
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How did each composer smell
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>>83876783
nasal passages
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>>83871934
>2. Harnoncourt
>Böhm in the top anything
Horrible list
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I just wanted to drop in and make sure no one in this thread has been having homosexual thoughts.
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So what makes Harnoncourt the second worst conductor
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>>83877374
You should suspect of Lully listeners
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>>83877299
not him but what's wrong with Bohm?
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Brahms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmBP9B8Gdjg
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Verdi's so fucking shit
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bohm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g9NHWqF1zY
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>>83871934
>1. Rene Jacobs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqXWEKpzYZ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRmb2VDpApY
>2. Harnoncourt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6rXRI0aKiM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5NKX_X9s5A

Nah.

Best conductor is Szell and the worst is (ugh) Norrington.
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Which do you prefer?
petit bourgeois "look how good I can play fast" filth interpretation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UhnfWzOCMo
authentic elite "the music is most important" beautiful interpretation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G-U9Ye4l6E
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>>83880262
both
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>>83880262
whoever did the balancing in the second recording must've been a total amateur lmao

also, they're about the same tempo overall it sounds like
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>>83879976
>best is Szell and worst is Norrington
Hey we agree somewhat
Though I wouldn't say he's the worst. His performances are interesting (?) sometimes. Certainly would rather listen to him than Sergiu "the more complex a piece is the slower it should be" Celibidache
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>>83878558
I enjoy M. Lully's music and I'm not gay.
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>>83880262
The first one
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Chopin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDkhi9dt0TU
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>weather getting colder
>start blasting organ works on the sound system
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>>83864342
holy fuck I watched this as a child and completely forgot it existed
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUoCDUZCTtw
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>>83882704
upon watching this I realized it is entirely likely that Papageno and his fluffy legs are what turned me into a furry at a very young age
why must life be so cursed
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>>83879976
Szell is not bad at all but he's quite variable, even within the same work. For instance, the latter 3 movements of his Schubert 9th (or 7th) is quite electrifying, but the first movement is pretty generic. Too prim. My favorite recording of his is probably that live Missa Solemnis which is incredibly nervous but also very bracing.
>>83880459
Norrington is also very variable, yeah. I heard a live Eroica from him one time that kicked the spit out of his studio ones. But then I listen to his Mozart and kind of want to die.
>Certainly would rather listen to him than Sergiu "the more complex a piece is the slower it should be" Celibidache
Celibidache's glacial speeds are only really a thing in the late stages of his life. Around 1980 is where it really kicked in. Before that, though, he was either fairly standard in terms of tempo and could even be surprisingly fast. For example, in the Scherzo of Bruckner's 7th, he was faster than most:
https://u.lewd.se/XVMdFG_Bruckner7thScherzo.mp3
I think Celi is a pretty interesting guy overall, but his glacial speeds are what he's known for which is unfortunate; the most interesting part of his conducting is his superb grasp of orchestral balance, and, following that, dynamics.

Also one of the more fun conductors to watch rehearse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKtDcEsQido
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Red bar me on Dufay, is Paul van Nevel & Heulgas good? Recommended recordings?
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>>83882916
>Morenatsu
/classical/ is saved
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>>83883332
I like Celi a lot, he is too much an individual in style to really be compared to other conductors. I would never regard him as making a definitive version, they are interpretations but it is quite impressive how slow, or apparently slow, he can go without completely losing momentum.

Norrington I just don't get. I don't understand why he is so hated. He only rates a meh from me most of the time, whatever triggers people so much doesn't register with me. I do like his Berlioz though, so much more engaging than Davis.
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>>83883498
Yes Heulgas are great but for Dufay i'd go with the Hilliard or Binchois
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>>83883761
>whatever triggers people so much doesn't register with me
I think it's the fact that he tends to go further with his lack of vibrato than most. He's kind of wrongheaded about it at times which makes for some weird recordings.
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>>83883941
I suppose vibrato just isn't something I pay attention to. I prefer less of it, but unless it slathered on I don't care.
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Zimmermann

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJNsrBKcT3o
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>>83882916
>>83883510
why are there furries in my classical
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bump
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>watch opera
>all the costumes are gay as fuck looking and everyone is smiling like retards
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Is baroque the most headbangable period?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gVFeprYrro
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>>83887527
>>83887178
>>83885658
imagine being the complete fucking IDIOT that posted this goddamn shit. fuck i hate you, what a fucking retard. what sort of piece of shit do you have to be to go on the internet and post this dumbass crap
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>>83887701
Shut up fag. This looks like horrible and Jonathan Kent should be shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1G3IvMS_fU
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>>83887701
imagine being the complete fucking IDIOT that posted this goddamn shit. fuck i hate you, what a fucking retard. what sort of piece of shit do you have to be to go on the internet and post this dumbass crap
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>>83880671
Are you sure? Heh
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Was Shostakovich just a romantic wannabe?
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>>83888130
Yes.
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>>83888130
I doubt he wanted to be quite as romantic as he was, he just knew it was a safe bet and Stalin would have his balls if he strayed. He certainly wasn't a natural modernist or avant-guardist. The restrictions he and others worked under were just stricter versions of the same kind of pigeon-holing that happened in classical worldwide at that time but it led to some interesting syncretism.
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What does /classical/ think of Erik Satie?
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>>83889430
Basic french bitch
>also those hands
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>>83888061
I'm gay
>>83889430
He's strange because I think he either truly didn't care about his own music or didn't care about whether anyone liked it; debussy's orchestrations of his works add a lot of needed dynamic to his works.
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>>83889459
>I'm gay
Please leave
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>>83889459
>I'm gay
I knowed it
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>>83889521
oh be nice
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>>83889459
he quite obviously cared a lot about what others thought of his music I'd say

though he fought against that a lot by trying to create the idea that he didn't
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>>83889459
post boipuccy
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Is this general the whitest part of moo?
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>>83889586
unfortunately, we need to get some diversity in here
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>>83889597
I'm gonna call up some black friends
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>>83889678
plz no jazz
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>>83889726
toot toot tooooot
ban ban ban
dun dun dun
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petzold
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pet zold
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all radical niggas know the main man Rameau in tha house
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>>83889521
No, you leave first, this is the last thread of culture. Either engage psychoanalytically or cease your pharisaism.
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>>83891122
Gays have no culture
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>>83891133
yeah well you have no mates
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whhats the worst opera
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>>83891133
Then here is the first culture lesson for you; one can not be this or that, one only becomes or doesn't - whenever one becomes one also learns, through becoming what one knows not. Those who have extraordinary desires are most blessed, for they are destined to make conscious the rarest contents of mankind's collective under-mind only they are able to encounter, and this is the very culture in its unfolding.
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>>83891339
Wagner
great music, but terrible opera from the perspective of opera
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>>83891418
It's not opera and it's in fact better.
Also the question was about a specific opera and you gave a composer
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>>83891455
any Wagner opera
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>>83891418
>t.Weber
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>>83891467
How can they be the worst if they're so good
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>>83891501
calling them operas would be an insult, but they are called operas anyway, which makes them appear terrible operas
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>>83853383
Has anyone read the Schoenberg book in the OP on Harmony? Is it any good?
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>>83891522
So that's not a proper answer to the question
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Tomorrow I'll be spending around 7 hours inside a bus, and I want to use that time to finally catch up with Wagner.

What's the best Tristan und Isolde recording out there? I'd like to watch the opera along and subtitles, if there's such a thing somewhere.
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what's a good classical to kys myself to?
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>>83891915
Bohm with Windgassen and Nilson, and Barenboim with Jerusalem and Meier for the best mixes of good audio and performance.
There's a couple videos but I don't think most of them are very good. The opposite of Meistersinger, which I think has many great DVDs. Someone (can't remember) called Tristan a "radio play" more than an opera once and I can see what they mean. This I think is better overall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-u7aqZNaog
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>>83891925
Zimmermann
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Stolzel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on5DHcGySik
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>>83891925
John Cage - Organ2/ASLSP (As Slow as Possible)
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Tell me the best pianist for Beethoven
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>>83892311
Gulda
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>>83892311
Beethoven himself, failing resurrection, Gilels.
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>>83892380
How would you know
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>>83892432
Beethoven hated the way many people performed his works and especially the piano which was his main instrument. He'd probably punch most subsequent pianists.
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>>83892568
How do you know Gilels would be good for him
>>83892317
Or Gulda for that matter
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>>83892311
just Horowitz your Beethoven up
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>>83892592
Gilels is just my favourite, but there's lots of good pianists, you can't really call yourself a classical fan with only one set of the sonatas as Beethoven is so open to interpretation. Gilels is one other chief expectants of the Russian piano school of playing which tends to be a little heavy handed and some people don't like that, although heavy handed may be more in tune with Beethoven's own style. Gulda is known to bring a more jazzier style which I am not such a fan of but he is still excellent.
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>>83889430
talentless hack
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>>83891925
>A Hong Kong musician, Henry Chau Hoi-leung, killed, chopped, salted and microwaved his mother and father, all the while listening repeatedly for 30 days to Alexander Scriabin’s peculiar, phone-ring piano suite, Vers la Flamme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xka1fq_42fo
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https://youtu.be/ylGB8-amWNk?t=46

Yes I know it's trash called doctor poo but the piano notes are lifted from a classical song.

I can't remember what it is called.

I know I've heard it performed with flutes and it wasn't a difficult piece.

Anyone know?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shjIudejxO4 these might be the ugliest human beings i have ever seen in my life
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>>83893313
What's with the Chinese
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>>83892311
Me.
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>>83893313
Reminder he was unironically and unedgily in the right
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Chopin
https://youtu.be/Bd_9hgpo1u4
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>>83891984
>Barenboim
Big Yikes
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What is the general opinion on Max Richter around here?
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>>83893622
Maybe but they usually are funny
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>>83895800
autistically perfect
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>>83895790
Have you heard that recording? I quite like it.
Although I recently saw him do Tristan live and that wasn't the best. It felt much slower. The Jerusalem recording though doesn't even hit the 4 hour mark (like most slow Tristans) so I didn't feel that problem.
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>>83893313
>He hated his father because he refused to turn down the television volume when he was trying hard to study in his school days. He was angry with his mother for humiliating him in front of the girl he loved on his 24th birthday. He also blamed his mother for forcing him to study piano and showing a sad face to him when he failed to make any contribution to the family.
Whoa... so this is the power of Scriabinfags...
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>>83896865
Too bad his taste was apparently shit.
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>>83896926
>>83896865
>"People may wonder why you did this. The fact there is no obvious answer is what makes you so dangerous," judge Mr Justice Michael Stuart-Moore said to Henry Chau as he handed down the sentence.
>"You fail in everything but the piano. You always blame your faults on others but not yourself ... your parents became the victims of your blame."

>"You fail in everything but the piano"
what did he mean by this
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>>83896986
That's needlessly rude even for a murderer come on
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>>83897063
asians will shit on you hard for failing to respect your elders
I think microwaving them counts
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>>83897108
What cucks
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>>83897108
wtf I love confucius now
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>>83853383
>Carusoposter
Ecce patricius
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>>83897108
daily reminder that China/Japan will eventually spark WWIII and one of them will assert dominance as the true superpower in the 21st century as the US did in the 20th century
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>>83897290
Which one would you rather have as the victor
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>>83897309
nips have better food and based mishima
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>>83897309
From the perspective of classical music Japan. China gave us pianists of questionable quality, Japan some crazy conductors and neoromantic music for vidya and anime.
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>>83897463
it's a shame China doesn't seem to have a big traditional Chinese classical scene, most good ones I see are from Taiwan or Hong Kong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eQ2y8-jO1M

also Takemitsu > Tan Dun for contemporary so another mark for the Japanese
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>>83897674
good god the girl on the timpani is so cute
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>>83897852
Why is this site so fucking thirsty
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>>83897888
Wonder what, we are on 4chan
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>>83897674
I like the sound of the instruments but the music itself was wholly uninteresting
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>>83898156
Yes I asked why 4chan is so thirsty
you didn't answer that, smartass
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>>83898220
incels
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>>83898275
But I'm a virgin and you don't see me going "oh God bros I wish she'd step on me hnnNNNGG" every time a female resembling shape gets wthin my line of sight
For fuck's sake
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>>83898388
that's because you don't masturbate fifth times in a day
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Prokofiev
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfQb6BKq_ZU
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New to /classical/, r8 what I've been enjoying
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>>83898807
demn the cover
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>>83898807
Any piece that your enjoyed in particular? I'm not a huge fan of such slapped together CDs, but it covers the most popular violin concertos. And is Hahn actually good or is just her looks? Technically good, but nothing special as far as my impressions go. Also she looks like she has autism.
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>>83899101
So far I like:
>Violin Concerto in E Minor by Felix Mendelssohn
>Violin Concerto in D Major by Ilyich Tchaikovsky
>Violin Concerto in D Minor by Jean Sibelius
And as for her playing, I lack the knowledge to tell how well she plays, but it is really beautiful music.
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>>83896436
Not him, but all of Barenboim's Wagner is a bit too slow for me. His feel for it isn't bad, though. Also, I tend to try and stay away from Bayreuth performances when I can outside of Parsifal -- sometimes the recordings are too good to ignore, though.
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Opinions?
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>>83899668
get that yellow piss sticker away from me
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>>83899668
Haven't heard it, you tell me
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>>83871934
karajan should be in the low 5
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>>83899817
wow you got brainwashed real bad
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Is it possible to enjoy opera without speaking the language the lyrics are in?
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>>83900183
I was gonna put him there.
Maybe we should do a top 10.
>>83900230
>t. couldn't get into opera and projects
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>>83900247
That greentext was supposed to be for >>83900230
But the answer for >>83900230 is yes.
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>>83899204
She played none of these pieces, according to the list. I should have written >inb4 Sibelius, not a surprise.
>>83899420
Try the Boulez video tape from Japan, guaranteed under 3.30. Barenboim has Meier, she makes up for the lack of speed. Yellow piss recording of Kleiber gets you a great orchestra sound. Newer recordings outside Bayreuth include Simon Rattle in the MET and Janowski conducting a concert version from Berlin, both having Nina Stemme as Isolde.
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Why every recoding of vivaldy concertos are different
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>>83900276
FUCK'S SAKE I KEEP CLICKING ON THIS POST >>83900216 GOD DAMN IT
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>>83900247
what do you think of Thielemann?
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She a cute, CUTE!
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>>83889430
By some distance the most boring composer in the entire canon.
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>>83900230
Read along with a translated libretto, or get a DVD with subtitles. I love opera but understanding what is being sung makes it 1000x better.
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>>83900290
1. choice of instruments: period or modern
2. big band or correct size of orchestra
3. they have room for interpretation and cadenzas
4. it's not the same work, he wrote a lot of stuff, check the numbering
>>83900621
>16 years old
please take a seat
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>>83900813
I promised I hadn't any kind of lewd thoughts of her, just aprecciating femenine beauty
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>>83888061
Yeah pretty sure. also shoo shoo degenerate jew
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>>83900850
>judges people by race
pffff LMAO go back to /pol/ and never come back
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>>83900230
Opera is usually vastly improved by not knowing what melodramatic, kitsch crap they are singing about. You can imagine an actual good plot.
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>>83900621
Prefer Oberlinger personally.
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>>83900945
Milfs are nice too
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What are your opinions on the complete works of George Szell? I was thinking about asking for it for Christmas, but after reading some reviews of it, it seems like it's just a bunch of standard romantic recordings, and there's not even a lot of modern classical recordings. It doesn't seem like it's worth it to have a bunch of recordings of recordings I already have, except this time from George Szell, great as he may be, and the Cleveland Orchestra being in my city. It's also kind of a big box to be keeping in my apartment.
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Stop listening to meaningless post-poetic abstractions
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>>83901291
That's what all these box sets are: and undiscriminating bunch of day to day humdrum. A few good recordings padded with so much filler legitimised because it is seen as some kind of legacy. You'll probably go from liking Szell to hating him after churning through all that.
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What a bunch of abject garbage /mu/ talks about in general. It feels like this and the share threads are the only worth while things about this board. All the hipster garbage that fills this board is so intolerably simplistic and boring. It's hard for me to appreciate music much after listening to so much classical, everything just sounds like simplistic low effort wankery. The only thing which has caught my attention lately has been the new Daughters album, because of it's unconventional style.
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>>83902074
t. fart-huffing midwit
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>>83902092
What does the t. mean? Lol, you think the stuff the people talk about on this board is good, besides this thread and the share threads? Go to the chart threads, it is pretty much a reflection of the vapid, insular echo chamber fueled by teenage angst, suburban thug wannabe culture, pitchfork, and anthony fantano.
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>>83902128
t. newfag

I don't know what they're talking about on the board, all I know is that it's readily apparent that you're a retard.
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>>83902128
You come to 4chan apparently believing it is a forum for insightful discussions with music lovers rather than a shithole full of idiots and people pretending to be idiots. Then you come to this thread to get a handjob for your ego from your fellow patricians. Go find a rap thread to feel superior too, you're not welcome here.
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>>83902212
I'm an atheist, a socialist, I read classic literature and enjoy fine music, and I'm a philosophy student. I'd imagine it's you who is the retard.
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>>83902456
Nowhere in the world will you find insightful discussion with music lovers, but 4chan sure comes closer to my idea of it
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>>83902481
>atheist
Cool
>socialist
Oh no
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>>83880671
>>83889459
Based. I still fap to Le Roi Danse to this day
>>83887527
>fixed rhythm
>stable harmony and key
In addition, many Baroque pieces are based on dance rhythms and old melodies so of course they'd be a thrill to listen to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Noy45x4IlAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts-71Ccf6jE
>>83900290
Much of Baroque and early music interpretation is up to interpretation. Besides the improv cadenzas, very little of the ornaments were actually written in. This is also why Baroque music makes the musicality and virtuosity of musicians the most bare; if everyone played Baroque like how most modern violinists play it'd be a very boring era.
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>>83903453
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>>83903453
what does this mean
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>>83904249
those three people are saving classical music
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>>83904422
Only two of them compose classical music and none of them do anything interesting.
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>>83902481
>I'm an atheist, a socialist and I'm a philosophy student
>I'm a faggot, a cocksucker, and a cuck
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why has nobody made a shota drawing of shotakovich yet?
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>>83900279
Yeah, I've heard practically every Wagner recording out there. The recent Esoteric remastering of Kleiber's Tristan (uploaded on redacted) is quite good; I think overall it's my favorite studio recording because it's decently paced enough (could be faster) and I like Kollo and Price as 'young' lovers. Oh, and the traditional orchestral seating really brings out Wagner's antiphonal writing. The recent Janowski recording isn't bad at all for modern recordings. Stephen Gould is honestly as good as your going to get these days insofar as heldentenors are concerned (sad, but true) and though Stemme is a bit wobbly, she's better than most modern sopranos. Still not a first choice aside from the sound, though.
>>83901291
>but after reading some reviews of it, it seems like it's just a bunch of standard romantic recordings
That's pretty much Szell in a nutszell. He never really performed that much outside of very standard repertoire and it only got worse as he got older. That being said, that recent set is very well remastered from what I've heard. So if you're a fan of Szell and don't like how the current incarnations of his recordings sound, it's worth a short.
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>>83905053
>Szell in a nutszell
I audibly groaned
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>>83905053
>I like Kollo
How
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>>83906016
Good acting, good diction, and a voice which is youthful enough. His consistency alone makes him one of the better heldentenors of the 80s-90s. Jerusalem is his only mainstream competitor, really, and his croon puts me off. That being said Kollo is still a far cry from the stars of the 50s-60s, who were a far cry of the stars from the early 20th century. He's decent for his time, but looking back it's easy to compare him with much greater names and be left wanting. Still, he's miles better than any of the heldentenors we've had in the past two decades, which shows what a sorry state Wagner performances are in.
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>>83900878
jew isnt a race its a religion
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What composers deserve more exposure?
Also fuck DG for those slightly tilted covers
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>>83907125
it's also an ethnic group
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intro to cello?
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Jesus christ whoever miked this is an utter fucking moron.
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>>83909071
Bach's cello suites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X9tssE7h6E
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are there any cute female classical musicians?
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>>83909157
The cover or the music?
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>>83909390
A lot
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>>83910446
The music. The cover is pretty awful, though.
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>>83910471
Yeah I agree, naxos recordings have unpredictable quality shifts
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Richard Wagner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMDzTJJIT3g&ytbChannel=Sergio%20C%C3%A1novas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGmq_Z12LYU
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>>83872252
based and redpilled
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>>83902481
big yikes
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Why is it that some singers are capable of blasting down the house for 35+ years without losing their voices, but others can barely fill it and lose their voices after 30 years or less? Does anyone have any theories as to physiological reasons why? Chalking it all up to technique doesn't work when you consider the question on the scale of hundreds of singers.

The cases from which I draw the question are the careers of singers like Lauritz Melchior, Gottlob Frick, Mikhail Zlapotolsky.
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>>83906218
>what a sorry state Wagner performances are in
Have you been to any of the performances at the Met with that rotating thing that cost them millions? Good God.
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Will there ever be a production of Ivan Susanin in the US again? I need to know if I will realize my dream eventually.
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Brahms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDR0y2YizKQ
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>partially sponsor/order an upcoming CD set from Marston Records
>set has yet to be released 7 years later
I mean, am I waiting for Ward to die so I can get my money back or am I waiting for the greatest set of recordings ever
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>>83911813
It's called The Machine. There's a full docummentary about it I think
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>>83912601
>There's a full documentary about it
Would that be something worth watching for any reason beyond comedy? Certainly, I might learn a little more about how stupid the Met's administration is, but that's not knowledge which bears learning again.
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Saariaho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdiL4kSRbvI
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for the anon who wanted to download the currentzis recording of Mahler's sixth
http://iebacc.blogspot.com/
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>"hey guys, the recording is done, and it's pretty neat"
>"nice! There's something you have to tell me?"
>"ehm, yes, almost all the work is done but we have to choose the picture for the cover"
>"hmmm, what we could pit in it"
>"maybe a beethoven portrait?"
>"nah"
>"maybe some romantic painting?"
>"nah"
>"maybe a pictureof you"
>"wait a sec. I GOT IT"
>"what"
>yeah put those pictures of me conducting"
>"ehhh.... are you sure about that... ?"
>"it's perfect"
>"you look pretty weird to be honest"
>"doesn't matter, it's perfect"
Ans ladies and gentlemens, that is how this cover was done
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What is with these North American apes humming and shouting and ejaculating all over the music?
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>>83913054
The middle left one it looks like he's putting invisible pepper on something
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>>83913054
He looks like he's trying to communicate the taste of a particularly sentimental bowl of pasta through mime
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>>83913054
>that centre-right one
DO NOT WANT
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What kind of classical would Plato accept and reject if he lived today?
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>>83913820
Harry Partch
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>>83913054
>his lips aren't ready to blow
Why even live
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>>83913832
This, only Partch, Camerata de Bardi and Monteverdi solos.
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>>83913054
Yeah, who ever wants to see a conductor conducting. So much better to have the conductor show of the yacht he bought with the sweet conducting gig.
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>>83914055
dude it's just a tax thing give the man a break it must be hard as fuck to make a career out of conducting these days
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>>83914073
Yes, what he said, now out of my way peasant.
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Oh and don't forget to buy my records. And not Solti's or i'll know you are an uncultured swine.
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>>83914162
Well at least we can both agree on hating Solti, Mr. K
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>>83914162
he's cute, I'd run an architectural firm with him if you know what I mean
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>>83914245
That's Mr. von K to you.
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>>83914389
your recordings suck myster krapajan
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Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlnhTSMEzBA
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>>83911792
I would say things like drinking or smoking degrades it but apparently Melchior did bothbof those things aplenty so I have no clue
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>>83913054
All I can see is a typical Italian man doing hand gestures
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Memezart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeNt2M_X0Xc
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No music can express my rage and disappointment
Prove me wrong and rec me
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>>83913054
Is this a thread of kino covers?
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>>83871934
>harnoncourt
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>>83917331
Prokofiev scythian suite
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DeBussy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcutqlIoUV0
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>>83917352
based
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bump
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Do I need to know music theory to understand classical?
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>>83920050
>understand classical
yup
>enjoy classical
nope
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>>83920050
Understanding is not black and white. The most important thing is to understand forms like canon, fugue, stretto, sonata etc.
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>>83920050
Just worship Petzold
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>>83902481
>I'm an atheist, a socialist, I read classic literature and enjoy fine music, and I'm a philosophy student.
What does this have to do with anything? Why should you being an atheist or socialist be indicative of anything regarding your intelligence or wit?
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>>83920792
Do you laugh at yourself when you post that?
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>>83920792
This and Scriabin and Sorabji and you are ready to go
Dont listen to meme compissers like mofart and Beethov*n
Bach is ok but his son CPE was much better
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What is the classical equivalent of this?
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>>83921368
Actually yes, but more when I see answers like you have done
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>>83921388
Fuck off you are (Not) were you think you are
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>>83921454
Answer the fucking question
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Bax
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-gFuNi8Doo
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Martinu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTHpUobHsOc
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>>83921409
Jesus fuck
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Slow, senile shit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTl_GnlLH4U
Haughty, aristocratic virility:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntdVvYj-498

Fuck Bohm, even Karajan is better.
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>>83922017
/classical/ doesn't welcome short attention spans
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>>83922059
Harnoncourt's recording is longer, idiot.
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>>83921388
that meme is crap anyway
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>>83922101
You're the one that can't keep your focus on the music unless an autist plays it fast, not my fault.
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>>83922157
Harnoncourt is neurotypical, you idiot.
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>>83922017
He was I think the first to do a complete set of Moz's symphonies but he makes the music sound like those tacky souvenirs Vienna whores Mozart out with. At least with the vocal works he has good singers.
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>>83922181
>believes Mozart's last 3 symphonies should be played uninterrupted like what he calls an "instrumental oratorio"
He's an autist
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>>83922208
Not just Vienna, I've seen those products all over Central Europe.
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>>83922214
>the 39th Symphony is the only one with an introduction, and the 41st, the Jupiter, the only one with a proper finale; and that there are thematic connections across all three symphonies - and not just the four-note tag that dominates the finale of the Jupiter.
Makes sense, you fool.
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>>83922331
Doesn't mean they should be played in order uninterrupted in one sitting, only that they share thematic material that mozart had in his head during that week
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>>83922363
But the 39th Symphony is the only one with an introduction, and the 41st, the Jupiter, the only one with a proper finale. They are to be played uninterrupted in one sitting.
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>>83922395
no idiot, they are three different works and because "only one as an introduction and the only other a proper finale" justifies a fucking shit
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>>83922395
You're retarded and should commit suicide immediely. This is not a joke. This is not trying to be edgy for the sake of it. i want you dead
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>>83922363
>/classical/ doesn't welcome short attention spans
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>>83922459
Harnoncourt's autistically fast playing may indeed be perfect for people with shorts attention spans
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>>83922530
As has already been said, Bohm is quicker. What happened, got distracted by a meme?
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>>83922625
>Bohm is quicker
You retarded? Harnoncourt is clearly qui-
Oh nononono you mistook Harnoncourt taking more repeats thus making his recording longer for him playing slower, didn't you?
Jesus
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>>83922017
Yeah, Bohm is pretty awful in Mozart. He's good in Wagner, Strauss, and Bruckner -- outside of that, he ranges from merely decent to bad.
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>>83922530
Harnoncourt's speed isn't really unprecedented and plenty of other conductors took it at even greater speeds than he. Coates made two recordings of the Jupiter -- one acoustic, one electric -- and both were seen as successful recordings and not at all unusual for the time. Check it out:
https://u.lewd.se/vFYiQI_01-MOZARTSymphony41-1stMvt.-Allegrovivace.mp3
Now that's fast.

The only symphony that Harnoncourt is particularly speedy in is probably the 40th, and that's really only insofar as the opening movement is concerned, though he's hardly the only conductor that took it at such a speed. Even the oft slow Furtwangler approached the 40th with zest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1doyoSzYqKw
On the other hand, Harnoncourt could be so slow in Mozart to the point of controversy (Le Nozze di Figaro).
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>>83923047
I wouldn't know I'm just shitposting.
But yeah I do know his Figaro, and I didn't like it.
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make new thread (someone else not me no no)
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>>83923585
Neither did I. It was weird.
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>>83923632
>>83923585
Did-
Did O'Hanlon review it twice or am I crazy
https://www.amazon.com/Mozart-Nozze-Figaro-Wolfgang-Amadeus/product-reviews/B000000SJD/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_hist_2?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews&filterByStar=two_star&pageNumber=1
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